Is Malifics always Overpower the Benefics?

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam Ji,

 

Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so much for your

response

 

But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we talk about

predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong i.e. Jupiter's

PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do admire for you that:-)

sincerely..

 

//Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru is

not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can get

empowered by malefic forces!//

 

This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess now is the

time..

 

So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the MALIFICS that

ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in the chart? if

they can not ACT..

 

Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

 

Regards

 

Chandu2Chill

 

PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini angle Jup is

my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

 

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

 

Dear Chandu ji,

 

If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made bungalows which I

may inherit, does it make he is bad?

Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or wrong!

 

If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be tempted to

rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my father is at fault?

 

Hope you get the point.

 

Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru is not

said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can get empowered

by malefic forces!

 

But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your Guru dasha and

try to extract the best from it!

 

Regards

> Neelam

>

>

> 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Neelam Ji,

> >

> > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and holistic approach

> > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable from one and

> > all. No doubt about that.

> >

> > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective purpose.. not

> > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in begining

> > itself.

> >

> > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> >

> > Objective:

> >

> > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common folk with no

> > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course when i didn't

> > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even fear/care God as

> > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining of Jup MD. Here

> > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion, keep it Jup and

> > Sat only.

> >

> > Subjective:

> >

> > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of

> > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.//

> >

> > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make some positive

> > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully). What about his 12H

> > lordship?

> >

> > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since you mentioned

> > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and what about his

> > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below mail? (You all

> > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake me;-))

> >

> > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve are Natural

> > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad attributes, what is

> > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result be Good or

> > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> >

> > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some other's

> > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu MD. from that

> > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand astrologically

> > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by Marrying did I?

> >

> > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> >

> > OR

> >

> > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe Jup is bad for

> > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am running Jup MD

> >

> > With regards and respect

> >

> > Chandu2Chill

> >

> > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative aspect per se..

> > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and truthfulness

> > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am mentioning *Most of

> > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i was made to

> > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa Bhi Hota hai:-)

> >

> >

> > --- In

<%40.\

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> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandu ji,

> >

> > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A great benefic

> > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H through its MT

> > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > How does he become bad please explain!

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > >

> > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as

> > you

> > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > >

> > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted astrologers

> > with my

> > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and indeed it

> > is/was

> > > > indicated in the chart

> > > >

> > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment happened in

> > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > >

> > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always feel and remember

> > the

> > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta " when i look at my

> > Jup.

> > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta, conjuct with his

> > arch

> > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So for

> > materialistic

> > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i guess.. Ya due to

> > his

> > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in some

> > spiritual,

> > > > astrology etc subject(s)...just my own observation(s):-)

> > > >

> > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic persuits.....:-) at

> > the

> > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc so soon...:-)

> > > >

> > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in Virgo.//

> > > >

> > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have made this

> > comment

> > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your valuable insights

> > and

> > > > appreciate the same.

> > > >

> > > > However, would like to know on what basis (Astrologically) you are

> > saying

> > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how Sat in Leo

> > worked

> > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point of view)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > <%40>,

> >

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > >

> > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > professional

> > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as you were

> > running

> > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final

> > realignment

> > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a great period

> > now

> > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the practical

> > events..

> > > > I

> > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder prospective with regard

> > to

> > > > your

> > > > > > thread..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as i am

> > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my Passport EXIT

> > > > dates:-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was (temporarily)

> > in

> > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news about my Job

> > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due to other senior

> > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back to Gemini

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during this survival

> > > > period

> > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some internal office

> > politics

> > > > etc)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> > > > > >

> > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April 2006 Fight

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to SELL my Gold

> > finger

> > > > ring

> > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my Air ticket...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug 2007 this job

> > was

> > > > also

> > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment in Dubai. did

> > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with avarage 12% margin

> > which

> > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the expenses...But By this

> > > > time

> > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due this frequent

> > Job

> > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine who knew me and

> > my

> > > > all

> > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu Dhabi and from

> > Mar

> > > > 2008

> > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy as far as

> > career

> > > > is

> > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with Astrological

> > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > usual..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

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> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events without the dates of

> > > > events?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your below comments/observations are working in most of the charts

> > that

> > > > i

> > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind yourself and

> > many

> > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of hardships/breaks/professional loss

> > when

> > > > Tr

> > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2 yrs there

> > were

> > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun and Moon)

> > from

> > > > that

> > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have experienced and

> > still

> > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my Profession/Career

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:-):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though working in

> > UAE.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and practical events

> > for

> > > > Astro

> > > > > > Study...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E 23' 00 " ,15 N 43'

> > 00 "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

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> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects natal Sun, one

> > > > would

> > > > > > experience professional disturbances.*

> > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would depend upon the

> > > > natal

> > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural zodiac, a 6/8

> > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam Ji,

 

//Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru is

not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. **Yes, if weak, it can get

empowered by malefic forces!**//

 

In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

 

 

, " CP " <nanna_id2006 wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam Ji,

>

> Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so much for your

response

>

> But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we talk about

predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong i.e. Jupiter's

PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do admire for you that:-)

sincerely..

>

> //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru is

not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can get

empowered by malefic forces!//

>

> This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess now is the

time..

>

> So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the MALIFICS that

ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in the chart? if

they can not ACT..

>

> Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

>

> Regards

>

> Chandu2Chill

>

> PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini angle Jup

is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

>

> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

wrote:

>

> Dear Chandu ji,

>

> If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made bungalows which

I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or wrong!

>

> If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be tempted to

rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my father is at fault?

>

> Hope you get the point.

>

> Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru is

not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can get

empowered by malefic forces!

>

> But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your Guru dasha

and try to extract the best from it!

>

> Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > >

> > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and holistic approach

> > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable from one and

> > > all. No doubt about that.

> > >

> > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective purpose.. not

> > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in begining

> > > itself.

> > >

> > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > >

> > > Objective:

> > >

> > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common folk with no

> > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course when i didn't

> > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even fear/care God

as

> > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining of Jup MD.

Here

> > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion, keep it Jup and

> > > Sat only.

> > >

> > > Subjective:

> > >

> > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of

> > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.//

> > >

> > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make some

positive

> > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully). What about his 12H

> > > lordship?

> > >

> > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since you

mentioned

> > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and what about his

> > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below mail? (You all

> > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake me;-))

> > >

> > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve are Natural

> > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad attributes, what

is

> > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result be Good or

> > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > >

> > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some other's

> > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu MD. from

that

> > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand

astrologically

> > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by Marrying did

I?

> > >

> > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> > >

> > > OR

> > >

> > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe Jup is bad for

> > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am running Jup MD

> > >

> > > With regards and respect

> > >

> > > Chandu2Chill

> > >

> > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative aspect per

se..

> > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and truthfulness

> > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am mentioning *Most of

> > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i was made to

> > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa Bhi Hota hai:-)

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > >

> > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A great benefic

> > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H through its MT

> > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as

> > > you

> > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > >

> > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted astrologers

> > > with my

> > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and indeed it

> > > is/was

> > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > >

> > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment happened in

> > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > >

> > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always feel and

remember

> > > the

> > > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta " when i look at

my

> > > Jup.

> > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta, conjuct with his

> > > arch

> > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So for

> > > materialistic

> > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i guess.. Ya due to

> > > his

> > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in some

> > > spiritual,

> > > > > astrology etc subject(s)...just my own observation(s):-)

> > > > >

> > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic persuits.....:-) at

> > > the

> > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc so soon...:-)

> > > > >

> > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in Virgo.//

> > > > >

> > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have made this

> > > comment

> > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your valuable

insights

> > > and

> > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, would like to know on what basis (Astrologically) you are

> > > saying

> > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how Sat in Leo

> > > worked

> > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point of view)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>

> > > <%40>,

> > >

> > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > professional

> > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as you were

> > > running

> > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final

> > > realignment

> > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a great period

> > > now

> > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the practical

> > > events..

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder prospective with

regard

> > > to

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as i am

> > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my Passport EXIT

> > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was (temporarily)

> > > in

> > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news about my Job

> > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due to other

senior

> > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back to Gemini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during this survival

> > > > > period

> > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some internal office

> > > politics

> > > > > etc)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April 2006 Fight

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to SELL my Gold

> > > finger

> > > > > ring

> > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my Air ticket...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug 2007 this job

> > > was

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment in Dubai.

did

> > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with avarage 12% margin

> > > which

> > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the expenses...But By

this

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due this frequent

> > > Job

> > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine who knew me

and

> > > my

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu Dhabi and from

> > > Mar

> > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy as far as

> > > career

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with Astrological

> > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events without the dates

of

> > > > > events?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your below comments/observations are working in most of the charts

> > > that

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind yourself and

> > > many

> > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of hardships/breaks/professional loss

> > > when

> > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2 yrs there

> > > were

> > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun and Moon)

> > > from

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have experienced and

> > > still

> > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my Profession/Career

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:-):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though working in

> > > UAE.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and practical events

> > > for

> > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E 23' 00 " ,15 N

43'

> > > 00 "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects natal Sun, one

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > experience professional disturbances.*

> > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would depend upon the

> > > > > natal

> > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural zodiac, a 6/8

> > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji and Chandu ji; please pardon this minor intrusion in your own

going discussion;

according to Lalkitab; Mercury is combination of Jupiter and Rahu;

Jupiter represents yellow colour and Rahu represents Blue Colour; Combined

together they form Green Colour represented by Mercury;

so the statement //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence

in Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. **Yes, if

weak, it can get empowered by malefic forces!**// seems to be very logical.

 

Regards

Kulbir

 

 

>

> In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

>

>

> , " CP " <nanna_id2006@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Neelam Ji,

> >

> > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so much for

your response

> >

> > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we talk

about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong i.e.

Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do admire for

you that:-) sincerely..

> >

> > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru

is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can get

empowered by malefic forces!//

> >

> > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess now is

the time..

> >

> > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the MALIFICS that

ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in the chart? if

they can not ACT..

> >

> > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Chandu2Chill

> >

> > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini angle Jup

is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

> >

> > , neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandu ji,

> >

> > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made bungalows

which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or wrong!

> >

> > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be tempted

to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my father is at fault?

> >

> > Hope you get the point.

> >

> > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru is

not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can get

empowered by malefic forces!

> >

> > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your Guru dasha

and try to extract the best from it!

> >

> > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > >

> > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and holistic

approach

> > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable from one

and

> > > > all. No doubt about that.

> > > >

> > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective purpose..

not

> > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in begining

> > > > itself.

> > > >

> > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > > >

> > > > Objective:

> > > >

> > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common folk with

no

> > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course when i didn't

> > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even fear/care God

as

> > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining of Jup MD.

Here

> > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion, keep it Jup

and

> > > > Sat only.

> > > >

> > > > Subjective:

> > > >

> > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship

of

> > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.//

> > > >

> > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make some

positive

> > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully). What about his

12H

> > > > lordship?

> > > >

> > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since you

mentioned

> > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and what about

his

> > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below mail? (You all

> > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake me;-))

> > > >

> > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve are Natural

> > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad attributes, what

is

> > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result be Good or

> > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > > >

> > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some other's

> > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu MD. from

that

> > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand

astrologically

> > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by Marrying

did I?

> > > >

> > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> > > >

> > > > OR

> > > >

> > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe Jup is bad

for

> > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am running Jup

MD

> > > >

> > > > With regards and respect

> > > >

> > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > >

> > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative aspect per

se..

> > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and

truthfulness

> > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am mentioning *Most

of

> > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i was made to

> > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa Bhi Hota

hai:-)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > >

> > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A great

benefic

> > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H through its

MT

> > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil

as

> > > > you

> > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted astrologers

> > > > with my

> > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and indeed it

> > > > is/was

> > > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment happened in

> > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always feel and

remember

> > > > the

> > > > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta " when i look at

my

> > > > Jup.

> > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta, conjuct with

his

> > > > arch

> > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So for

> > > > materialistic

> > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i guess.. Ya due

to

> > > > his

> > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in some

> > > > spiritual,

> > > > > > astrology etc subject(s)...just my own observation(s):-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic persuits.....:-) at

> > > > the

> > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc so

soon...:-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in Virgo.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have made this

> > > > comment

> > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your valuable

insights

> > > > and

> > > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis (Astrologically) you are

> > > > saying

> > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how Sat in Leo

> > > > worked

> > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point of view)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > > > <%40>,

> > > >

> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > professional

> > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as you were

> > > > running

> > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final

> > > > realignment

> > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a great period

> > > > now

> > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the practical

> > > > events..

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder prospective with

regard

> > > > to

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as i am

> > > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my Passport EXIT

> > > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was

(temporarily)

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news about my

Job

> > > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due to other

senior

> > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back to Gemini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during this

survival

> > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some internal office

> > > > politics

> > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April 2006 Fight

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to SELL my Gold

> > > > finger

> > > > > > ring

> > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my Air ticket...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug 2007 this

job

> > > > was

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment in Dubai.

did

> > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with avarage 12%

margin

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the expenses...But By

this

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due this frequent

> > > > Job

> > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine who knew me

and

> > > > my

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu Dhabi and

from

> > > > Mar

> > > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy as far as

> > > > career

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with Astrological

> > > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events without the dates

of

> > > > > > events?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your below comments/observations are working in most of the

charts

> > > > that

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind yourself and

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of hardships/breaks/professional loss

> > > > when

> > > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2 yrs there

> > > > were

> > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun and Moon)

> > > > from

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have experienced and

> > > > still

> > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my Profession/Career

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:-):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though working in

> > > > UAE.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and practical events

> > > > for

> > > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E 23' 00 " ,15 N

43'

> > > > 00 "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects natal Sun,

one

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances.*

> > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would depend upon

the

> > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural zodiac, a 6/8

> > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir ji,There is no intrusion at all. Though I have not gone deeper into the Lal Kitab System, I do appreciate the wonderful knowledge and respect you as an exponent of this system. I hope I pick up some bits of traditional to be able to capture ad appreciate the nuances of other systems.

How interesting and scientific it appears that Jup and Rahu (Yellow and Blue) make Mercury, the GREEN! Do you also see how much of blue is mixed to get the shades of green! Mercury is impressionable as we all know!

Thanks and RegardsNeelam2009/12/12 kulbir <kulbirbains

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelam ji and Chandu ji; please pardon this minor intrusion in your own going discussion;

according to Lalkitab; Mercury is combination of Jupiter and Rahu;

Jupiter represents yellow colour and Rahu represents Blue Colour; Combined together they form Green Colour represented by Mercury;

so the statement //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. **Yes, if weak, it can get empowered by malefic forces!**// seems to be very logical.

 

Regards

Kulbir

 

>

> In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

>

>

> , " CP " <nanna_id2006@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Neelam Ji,

> >

> > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so much for your response

> >

> > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we talk about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong i.e. Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do admire for you that:-) sincerely..

> >

> > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can get empowered by malefic forces!//

> >

> > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess now is the time..

> >

> > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the MALIFICS that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in the chart? if they can not ACT..

> >

> > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Chandu2Chill

> >

> > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini angle Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

> >

> > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandu ji,

> >

> > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made bungalows which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or wrong!

> >

> > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my father is at fault?

> >

> > Hope you get the point.

> >

> > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can get empowered by malefic forces!

> >

> > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your Guru dasha and try to extract the best from it!

> >

> > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > >

> > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and holistic approach

> > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable from one and

> > > > all. No doubt about that.

> > > >

> > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective purpose.. not

> > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in begining

> > > > itself.

> > > >

> > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > > >

> > > > Objective:

> > > >

> > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common folk with no

> > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course when i didn't

> > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even fear/care God as

> > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining of Jup MD. Here

> > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion, keep it Jup and

> > > > Sat only.

> > > >

> > > > Subjective:

> > > >

> > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of

> > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.//

> > > >

> > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make some positive

> > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully). What about his 12H

> > > > lordship?

> > > >

> > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since you mentioned

> > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and what about his

> > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below mail? (You all

> > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake me;-))

> > > >

> > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve are Natural

> > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad attributes, what is

> > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result be Good or

> > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > > >

> > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some other's

> > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu MD. from that

> > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand astrologically

> > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by Marrying did I?

> > > >

> > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> > > >

> > > > OR

> > > >

> > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe Jup is bad for

> > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am running Jup MD

> > > >

> > > > With regards and respect

> > > >

> > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > >

> > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative aspect per se..

> > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and truthfulness

> > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am mentioning *Most of

> > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i was made to

> > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa Bhi Hota hai:-)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > >

> > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A great benefic

> > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H through its MT

> > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as

> > > > you

> > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted astrologers

> > > > with my

> > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and indeed it

> > > > is/was

> > > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment happened in

> > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always feel and remember

> > > > the

> > > > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta " when i look at my

> > > > Jup.

> > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta, conjuct with his

> > > > arch

> > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So for

> > > > materialistic

> > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i guess.. Ya due to

> > > > his

> > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in some

> > > > spiritual,

> > > > > > astrology etc subject(s)...just my own observation(s):-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic persuits.....:-) at

> > > > the

> > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc so soon...:-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in Virgo.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have made this

> > > > comment

> > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your valuable insights

> > > > and

> > > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis (Astrologically) you are

> > > > saying

> > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how Sat in Leo

> > > > worked

> > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point of view)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > >

> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > professional

> > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as you were

> > > > running

> > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final

> > > > realignment

> > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a great period

> > > > now

> > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the practical

> > > > events..

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder prospective with regard

> > > > to

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as i am

> > > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my Passport EXIT

> > > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was (temporarily)

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news about my Job

> > > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due to other senior

> > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back to Gemini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during this survival

> > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some internal office

> > > > politics

> > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April 2006 Fight

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to SELL my Gold

> > > > finger

> > > > > > ring

> > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my Air ticket...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug 2007 this job

> > > > was

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment in Dubai. did

> > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with avarage 12% margin

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the expenses...But By this

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due this frequent

> > > > Job

> > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine who knew me and

> > > > my

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu Dhabi and from

> > > > Mar

> > > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy as far as

> > > > career

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with Astrological

> > > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events without the dates of

> > > > > > events?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your below comments/observations are working in most of the charts

> > > > that

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind yourself and

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of hardships/breaks/professional loss

> > > > when

> > > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2 yrs there

> > > > were

> > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun and Moon)

> > > > from

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have experienced and

> > > > still

> > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my Profession/Career

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:-):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though working in

> > > > UAE.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and practical events

> > > > for

> > > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E 23' 00 " ,15 N 43'

> > > > 00 "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects natal Sun, one

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances.*

> > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would depend upon the

> > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural zodiac, a 6/8

> > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam Ji, //Do you also see how much of blue is mixed to

get the shades of green! Mercury is impressionable as we all know!' ; //Even

when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru is not said

to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can get empowered by

malefic forces!//

You have already explained the phenomenon. What more can i add to it?

 

Regards

Kulbir

 

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir ji,

>

> There is no intrusion at all. Though I have not gone deeper into the Lal

> Kitab System, I do appreciate the wonderful knowledge and respect you as an

> exponent of this system. I hope I pick up some bits of traditional to be

> able to capture ad appreciate the nuances of other systems.

>

> How interesting and scientific it appears that Jup and Rahu (Yellow and

> Blue) make Mercury, the GREEN! Do you also see how much of blue is mixed to

> get the shades of green! Mercury is impressionable as we all know!

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Neelam

>

> 2009/12/12 kulbir <kulbirbains

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Neelam ji and Chandu ji; please pardon this minor intrusion in your

> > own going discussion;

> > according to Lalkitab; Mercury is combination of Jupiter and Rahu;

> > Jupiter represents yellow colour and Rahu represents Blue Colour; Combined

> > together they form Green Colour represented by Mercury;

> > so the statement //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over

> > indulgence in Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of

> > it. **Yes, if weak, it can get empowered by malefic forces!**// seems to be

> > very logical.

> >

> > Regards

> > Kulbir

> >

> >

> > >

> > > In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > " CP " <nanna_id2006@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so much

> > for your response

> > > >

> > > > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we

> > talk about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong

> > i.e. Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do

> > admire for you that:-) sincerely..

> > > >

> > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu.

> > Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it

> > can get empowered by malefic forces!//

> > > >

> > > > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess now

> > is the time..

> > > >

> > > > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the MALIFICS

> > that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in the

> > chart? if they can not ACT..

> > > >

> > > > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > >

> > > > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini

> > angle Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > >

> > > > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made

> > bungalows which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> > > > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or wrong!

> > > >

> > > > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be

> > tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my father

> > is at fault?

> > > >

> > > > Hope you get the point.

> > > >

> > > > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu.

> > Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it

> > can get empowered by malefic forces!

> > > >

> > > > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your Guru

> > dasha and try to extract the best from it!

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and holistic

> > approach

> > > > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable from

> > one and

> > > > > > all. No doubt about that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective

> > purpose.. not

> > > > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in

> > begining

> > > > > > itself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Objective:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common folk

> > with no

> > > > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course when i

> > didn't

> > > > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even

> > fear/care God as

> > > > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining of Jup

> > MD. Here

> > > > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion, keep it

> > Jup and

> > > > > > Sat only.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Subjective:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic

> > lordship of

> > > > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make some

> > positive

> > > > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully). What about

> > his 12H

> > > > > > lordship?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since you

> > mentioned

> > > > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and what

> > about his

> > > > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below mail?

> > (You all

> > > > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake me;-))

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve are

> > Natural

> > > > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad attributes,

> > what is

> > > > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result be

> > Good or

> > > > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some other's

> > > > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu MD.

> > from that

> > > > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand

> > astrologically

> > > > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by

> > Marrying did I?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > OR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe Jup is

> > bad for

> > > > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am running

> > Jup MD

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With regards and respect

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative aspect

> > per se..

> > > > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and

> > truthfulness

> > > > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am mentioning

> > *Most of

> > > > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i was made

> > to

> > > > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa Bhi Hota

> > hai:-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>

> > <%40>,

> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A great

> > benefic

> > > > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H through

> > its MT

> > > > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > > > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun

> > causing

> > > > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period of

> > turmoil as

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted

> > astrologers

> > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and indeed

> > it

> > > > > > is/was

> > > > > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment

> > happened in

> > > > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always feel and

> > remember

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta " when i

> > look at my

> > > > > > Jup.

> > > > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta, conjuct

> > with his

> > > > > > arch

> > > > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So for

> > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i guess.. Ya

> > due to

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in some

> > > > > > spiritual,

> > > > > > > > astrology etc subject(s)...just my own observation(s):-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic

> > persuits.....:-) at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc so

> > soon...:-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in Virgo.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have made

> > this

> > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your valuable

> > insights

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis (Astrologically) you

> > are

> > > > > > saying

> > > > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how Sat in

> > Leo

> > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point of

> > view)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as you

> > were

> > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial and

> > final

> > > > > > realignment

> > > > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a great

> > period

> > > > > > now

> > > > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the

> > practical

> > > > > > events..

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder prospective

> > with regard

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as i am

> > > > > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my Passport

> > EXIT

> > > > > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was

> > (temporarily)

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news about

> > my Job

> > > > > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due to

> > other senior

> > > > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back to

> > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during this

> > survival

> > > > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some internal

> > office

> > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April 2006

> > Fight

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to SELL my

> > Gold

> > > > > > finger

> > > > > > > > ring

> > > > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my Air

> > ticket...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug 2007

> > this job

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment in

> > Dubai. did

> > > > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with avarage 12%

> > margin

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the expenses...But

> > By this

> > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due this

> > frequent

> > > > > > Job

> > > > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine who

> > knew me and

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu Dhabi

> > and from

> > > > > > Mar

> > > > > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy as far

> > as

> > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with

> > Astrological

> > > > > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events without the

> > dates of

> > > > > > > > events?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Your below comments/observations are working in most of the

> > charts

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind yourself

> > and

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of hardships/breaks/professional

> > loss

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2 yrs

> > there

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun and

> > Moon)

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have experienced

> > and

> > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my Profession/Career

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:-):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though

> > working in

> > > > > > UAE.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and practical

> > events

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E 23'

> > 00 " ,15 N 43'

> > > > > > 00 "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects natal

> > Sun, one

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances.*

> > > > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would depend

> > upon the

> > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural zodiac,

> > a 6/8

> > > > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir ji,All roads lead to ONE peak!! :-)RegardsNeelam2009/12/12 kulbir <kulbirbains

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelam Ji, //Do you also see how much of blue is mixed to

get the shades of green! Mercury is impressionable as we all know!' ; //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can get empowered by malefic forces!//

You have already explained the phenomenon. What more can i add to it?

 

Regards

Kulbir

 

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir ji,

>

> There is no intrusion at all. Though I have not gone deeper into the Lal

> Kitab System, I do appreciate the wonderful knowledge and respect you as an

> exponent of this system. I hope I pick up some bits of traditional to be

> able to capture ad appreciate the nuances of other systems.

>

> How interesting and scientific it appears that Jup and Rahu (Yellow and

> Blue) make Mercury, the GREEN! Do you also see how much of blue is mixed to

> get the shades of green! Mercury is impressionable as we all know!

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Neelam

>

> 2009/12/12 kulbir <kulbirbains

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Neelam ji and Chandu ji; please pardon this minor intrusion in your

> > own going discussion;

> > according to Lalkitab; Mercury is combination of Jupiter and Rahu;

> > Jupiter represents yellow colour and Rahu represents Blue Colour; Combined

> > together they form Green Colour represented by Mercury;

> > so the statement //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over

> > indulgence in Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of

> > it. **Yes, if weak, it can get empowered by malefic forces!**// seems to be

> > very logical.

> >

> > Regards

> > Kulbir

> >

> >

> > >

> > > In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

> > >

> > >

> > > <%40>,

 

> > " CP " <nanna_id2006@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so much

> > for your response

> > > >

> > > > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we

> > talk about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong

> > i.e. Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do

> > admire for you that:-) sincerely..

> > > >

> > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu.

> > Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it

> > can get empowered by malefic forces!//

> > > >

> > > > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess now

> > is the time..

> > > >

> > > > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the MALIFICS

> > that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in the

> > chart? if they can not ACT..

> > > >

> > > > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > >

> > > > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini

> > angle Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

> > > >

> > > > <%40>,

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > >

> > > > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made

> > bungalows which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> > > > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or wrong!

> > > >

> > > > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be

> > tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my father

> > is at fault?

> > > >

> > > > Hope you get the point.

> > > >

> > > > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu.

> > Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it

> > can get empowered by malefic forces!

> > > >

> > > > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your Guru

> > dasha and try to extract the best from it!

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and holistic

> > approach

> > > > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable from

> > one and

> > > > > > all. No doubt about that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective

> > purpose.. not

> > > > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in

> > begining

> > > > > > itself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Objective:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common folk

> > with no

> > > > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course when i

> > didn't

> > > > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even

> > fear/care God as

> > > > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining of Jup

> > MD. Here

> > > > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion, keep it

> > Jup and

> > > > > > Sat only.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Subjective:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic

> > lordship of

> > > > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make some

> > positive

> > > > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully). What about

> > his 12H

> > > > > > lordship?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since you

> > mentioned

> > > > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and what

> > about his

> > > > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below mail?

> > (You all

> > > > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake me;-))

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve are

> > Natural

> > > > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad attributes,

> > what is

> > > > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result be

> > Good or

> > > > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some other's

> > > > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu MD.

> > from that

> > > > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand

> > astrologically

> > > > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by

> > Marrying did I?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > OR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe Jup is

> > bad for

> > > > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am running

> > Jup MD

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With regards and respect

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative aspect

> > per se..

> > > > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and

> > truthfulness

> > > > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am mentioning

> > *Most of

> > > > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i was made

> > to

> > > > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa Bhi Hota

> > hai:-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A great

> > benefic

> > > > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H through

> > its MT

> > > > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > > > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun

> > causing

> > > > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period of

> > turmoil as

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted

> > astrologers

> > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and indeed

> > it

> > > > > > is/was

> > > > > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment

> > happened in

> > > > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always feel and

> > remember

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta " when i

> > look at my

> > > > > > Jup.

> > > > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta, conjuct

> > with his

> > > > > > arch

> > > > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So for

> > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i guess.. Ya

> > due to

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in some

> > > > > > spiritual,

> > > > > > > > astrology etc subject(s)...just my own observation(s):-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic

> > persuits.....:-) at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc so

> > soon...:-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in Virgo.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have made

> > this

> > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your valuable

> > insights

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis (Astrologically) you

> > are

> > > > > > saying

> > > > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how Sat in

> > Leo

> > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point of

> > view)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as you

> > were

> > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial and

> > final

> > > > > > realignment

> > > > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a great

> > period

> > > > > > now

> > > > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the

> > practical

> > > > > > events..

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder prospective

> > with regard

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as i am

> > > > > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my Passport

> > EXIT

> > > > > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was

> > (temporarily)

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news about

> > my Job

> > > > > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due to

> > other senior

> > > > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back to

> > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during this

> > survival

> > > > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some internal

> > office

> > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April 2006

> > Fight

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to SELL my

> > Gold

> > > > > > finger

> > > > > > > > ring

> > > > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my Air

> > ticket...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug 2007

> > this job

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment in

> > Dubai. did

> > > > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with avarage 12%

> > margin

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the expenses...But

> > By this

> > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due this

> > frequent

> > > > > > Job

> > > > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine who

> > knew me and

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu Dhabi

> > and from

> > > > > > Mar

> > > > > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy as far

> > as

> > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with

> > Astrological

> > > > > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events without the

> > dates of

> > > > > > > > events?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Your below comments/observations are working in most of the

> > charts

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind yourself

> > and

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of hardships/breaks/professional

> > loss

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2 yrs

> > there

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun and

> > Moon)

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have experienced

> > and

> > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my Profession/Career

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:-):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though

> > working in

> > > > > > UAE.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and practical

> > events

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E 23'

> > 00 " ,15 N 43'

> > > > > > 00 "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects natal

> > Sun, one

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances.*

> > > > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would depend

> > upon the

> > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural zodiac,

> > a 6/8

> > > > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandu ji,I haven't said agreed or disagreed on anything about your chart. I just gave a plain statement which may be applied after due moderation because of other factors.Could you please list down the factors which, in your opinion, make your Jupiter weak?

RegardsNeelam2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelam Ji,

 

//Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. **Yes, if weak, it can get empowered by malefic forces!**//

 

In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

 

, " CP " <nanna_id2006 wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam Ji,

>

> Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so much for your response

>

> But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we talk about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong i.e. Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do admire for you that:-) sincerely..

>

> //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can get empowered by malefic forces!//

>

> This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess now is the time..

>

> So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the MALIFICS that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in the chart? if they can not ACT..

>

> Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

>

> Regards

>

> Chandu2Chill

>

> PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini angle Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

>

> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

>

> Dear Chandu ji,

>

> If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made bungalows which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or wrong!

>

> If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my father is at fault?

>

> Hope you get the point.

>

> Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can get empowered by malefic forces!

>

> But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your Guru dasha and try to extract the best from it!

>

> Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > >

> > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and holistic approach

> > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable from one and

> > > all. No doubt about that.

> > >

> > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective purpose.. not

> > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in begining

> > > itself.

> > >

> > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > >

> > > Objective:

> > >

> > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common folk with no

> > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course when i didn't

> > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even fear/care God as

> > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining of Jup MD. Here

> > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion, keep it Jup and

> > > Sat only.

> > >

> > > Subjective:

> > >

> > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of

> > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.//

> > >

> > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make some positive

> > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully). What about his 12H

> > > lordship?

> > >

> > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since you mentioned

> > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and what about his

> > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below mail? (You all

> > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake me;-))

> > >

> > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve are Natural

> > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad attributes, what is

> > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result be Good or

> > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > >

> > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some other's

> > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu MD. from that

> > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand astrologically

> > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by Marrying did I?

> > >

> > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> > >

> > > OR

> > >

> > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe Jup is bad for

> > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am running Jup MD

> > >

> > > With regards and respect

> > >

> > > Chandu2Chill

> > >

> > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative aspect per se..

> > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and truthfulness

> > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am mentioning *Most of

> > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i was made to

> > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa Bhi Hota hai:-)

> > >

> > >

> > > <%40>,

> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > >

> > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A great benefic

> > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H through its MT

> > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as

> > > you

> > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > >

> > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted astrologers

> > > with my

> > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and indeed it

> > > is/was

> > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > >

> > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment happened in

> > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > >

> > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always feel and remember

> > > the

> > > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta " when i look at my

> > > Jup.

> > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta, conjuct with his

> > > arch

> > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So for

> > > materialistic

> > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i guess.. Ya due to

> > > his

> > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in some

> > > spiritual,

> > > > > astrology etc subject(s)...just my own observation(s):-)

> > > > >

> > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic persuits.....:-) at

> > > the

> > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc so soon...:-)

> > > > >

> > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in Virgo.//

> > > > >

> > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have made this

> > > comment

> > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your valuable insights

> > > and

> > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, would like to know on what basis (Astrologically) you are

> > > saying

> > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how Sat in Leo

> > > worked

> > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point of view)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > <%40>,

> > >

> > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > professional

> > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as you were

> > > running

> > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final

> > > realignment

> > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a great period

> > > now

> > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the practical

> > > events..

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder prospective with regard

> > > to

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as i am

> > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my Passport EXIT

> > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was (temporarily)

> > > in

> > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news about my Job

> > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due to other senior

> > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back to Gemini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during this survival

> > > > > period

> > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some internal office

> > > politics

> > > > > etc)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April 2006 Fight

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to SELL my Gold

> > > finger

> > > > > ring

> > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my Air ticket...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug 2007 this job

> > > was

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment in Dubai. did

> > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with avarage 12% margin

> > > which

> > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the expenses...But By this

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due this frequent

> > > Job

> > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine who knew me and

> > > my

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu Dhabi and from

> > > Mar

> > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy as far as

> > > career

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with Astrological

> > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events without the dates of

> > > > > events?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your below comments/observations are working in most of the charts

> > > that

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind yourself and

> > > many

> > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of hardships/breaks/professional loss

> > > when

> > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2 yrs there

> > > were

> > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun and Moon)

> > > from

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have experienced and

> > > still

> > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my Profession/Career

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:-):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though working in

> > > UAE.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and practical events

> > > for

> > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E 23' 00 " ,15 N 43'

> > > 00 "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects natal Sun, one

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > experience professional disturbances.*

> > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would depend upon the

> > > > > natal

> > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural zodiac, a 6/8

> > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandu ji and Neelam ji,

Please forgive me for my intrusion. I just started learning astrology and very

new to this forum. Just reading Chara Dasa book of Shri K.N.Rao ji and

Chanduji's details fit like puzzle in his chara dasa theory !!!!

 

Regards,

Aashish

 

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Chandu ji,

>

> I haven't said agreed or disagreed on anything about your chart. I just gave

> a plain statement which may be applied after due moderation because of other

> factors.

>

> Could you please list down the factors which, in your opinion, make your

> Jupiter weak?

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

> 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Neelam Ji,

> >

> > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru

> > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. **Yes, if weak, it can

> > get empowered by malefic forces!**//

> >

> > In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

> >

> >

> > --- In

<%40.\

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> > " CP " <nanna_id2006@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > >

> > > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so much for

> > your response

> > >

> > > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we talk

> > about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong i.e.

> > Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do admire

> > for you that:-) sincerely..

> > >

> > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu.

> > Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it

> > can get empowered by malefic forces!//

> > >

> > > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess now is

> > the time..

> > >

> > > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the MALIFICS

> > that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in the

> > chart? if they can not ACT..

> > >

> > > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Chandu2Chill

> > >

> > > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini angle

> > Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > >

> > > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made bungalows

> > which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> > > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or wrong!

> > >

> > > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be

> > tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my father

> > is at fault?

> > >

> > > Hope you get the point.

> > >

> > > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru

> > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can

> > get empowered by malefic forces!

> > >

> > > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your Guru

> > dasha and try to extract the best from it!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and holistic

> > approach

> > > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable from

> > one and

> > > > > all. No doubt about that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective purpose..

> > not

> > > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in

> > begining

> > > > > itself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > > > >

> > > > > Objective:

> > > > >

> > > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common folk

> > with no

> > > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course when i

> > didn't

> > > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even fear/care

> > God as

> > > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining of Jup

> > MD. Here

> > > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion, keep it

> > Jup and

> > > > > Sat only.

> > > > >

> > > > > Subjective:

> > > > >

> > > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic

> > lordship of

> > > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.//

> > > > >

> > > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make some

> > positive

> > > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully). What about

> > his 12H

> > > > > lordship?

> > > > >

> > > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since you

> > mentioned

> > > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and what about

> > his

> > > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below mail? (You

> > all

> > > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake me;-))

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve are

> > Natural

> > > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad attributes,

> > what is

> > > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result be Good

> > or

> > > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > > > >

> > > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some other's

> > > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu MD.

> > from that

> > > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand

> > astrologically

> > > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by Marrying

> > did I?

> > > > >

> > > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> > > > >

> > > > > OR

> > > > >

> > > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe Jup is

> > bad for

> > > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am running

> > Jup MD

> > > > >

> > > > > With regards and respect

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > >

> > > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative aspect

> > per se..

> > > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and

> > truthfulness

> > > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am mentioning

> > *Most of

> > > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i was made

> > to

> > > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa Bhi Hota

> > hai:-)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > <%40>,

> > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A great

> > benefic

> > > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H through

> > its MT

> > > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period of

> > turmoil as

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted

> > astrologers

> > > > > with my

> > > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and indeed

> > it

> > > > > is/was

> > > > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment happened

> > in

> > > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always feel and

> > remember

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta " when i look

> > at my

> > > > > Jup.

> > > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta, conjuct

> > with his

> > > > > arch

> > > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So for

> > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i guess.. Ya

> > due to

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in some

> > > > > spiritual,

> > > > > > > astrology etc subject(s)...just my own observation(s):-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic persuits.....:-)

> > at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc so

> > soon...:-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in Virgo.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have made

> > this

> > > > > comment

> > > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your valuable

> > insights

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis (Astrologically) you

> > are

> > > > > saying

> > > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how Sat in

> > Leo

> > > > > worked

> > > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point of

> > view)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > professional

> > > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as you

> > were

> > > > > running

> > > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final

> > > > > realignment

> > > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a great

> > period

> > > > > now

> > > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the

> > practical

> > > > > events..

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder prospective with

> > regard

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as i am

> > > > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my Passport

> > EXIT

> > > > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was

> > (temporarily)

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news about

> > my Job

> > > > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due to other

> > senior

> > > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back to

> > Gemini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during this

> > survival

> > > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some internal

> > office

> > > > > politics

> > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April 2006

> > Fight

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to SELL my

> > Gold

> > > > > finger

> > > > > > > ring

> > > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my Air

> > ticket...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug 2007 this

> > job

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment in

> > Dubai. did

> > > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with avarage 12%

> > margin

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the expenses...But

> > By this

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due this

> > frequent

> > > > > Job

> > > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine who knew

> > me and

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu Dhabi and

> > from

> > > > > Mar

> > > > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy as far

> > as

> > > > > career

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with

> > Astrological

> > > > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events without the

> > dates of

> > > > > > > events?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your below comments/observations are working in most of the

> > charts

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind yourself

> > and

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of hardships/breaks/professional

> > loss

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2 yrs

> > there

> > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun and

> > Moon)

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have experienced

> > and

> > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my Profession/Career

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:-):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though working

> > in

> > > > > UAE.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and practical

> > events

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E 23' 00 " ,15

> > N 43'

> > > > > 00 "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects natal

> > Sun, one

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances.*

> > > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would depend

> > upon the

> > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural zodiac, a

> > 6/8

> > > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandu 2 chill ji and Neelam ji,'

 

I do not wish to dwell much on the intracsies of this chart,but the planet which

is occupant of any house will be very powerful to represent the significations

of that house, and if I am not mistaken Jupiter is placed in the 11th house of

his chart and represents the badhaksthana also. So badhas wil be felt all round

in the other areas represented too by Jupiter, which is profession in this case.

 

If his chart is right, then he may face a change in his place, maybe a

transfer, and some problems in profession are about to begin, if not already

begin, which will also involve some dissatisfaction from his superiors or some

reasons connected to Father.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " raiaashish " <raiaashish

wrote:

>

> Dear Chandu ji and Neelam ji,

> Please forgive me for my intrusion. I just started learning astrology and very

new to this forum. Just reading Chara Dasa book of Shri K.N.Rao ji and

Chanduji's details fit like puzzle in his chara dasa theory !!!!

>

> Regards,

> Aashish

>

> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandu ji,

> >

> > I haven't said agreed or disagreed on anything about your chart. I just gave

> > a plain statement which may be applied after due moderation because of other

> > factors.

> >

> > Could you please list down the factors which, in your opinion, make your

> > Jupiter weak?

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > >

> > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru

> > > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. **Yes, if weak, it

can

> > > get empowered by malefic forces!**//

> > >

> > > In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > " CP " <nanna_id2006@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so much for

> > > your response

> > > >

> > > > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we talk

> > > about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong i.e.

> > > Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do admire

> > > for you that:-) sincerely..

> > > >

> > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu.

> > > Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it

> > > can get empowered by malefic forces!//

> > > >

> > > > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess now

is

> > > the time..

> > > >

> > > > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the MALIFICS

> > > that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in the

> > > chart? if they can not ACT..

> > > >

> > > > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > >

> > > > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini angle

> > > Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > >

> > > > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made bungalows

> > > which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> > > > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or wrong!

> > > >

> > > > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be

> > > tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my father

> > > is at fault?

> > > >

> > > > Hope you get the point.

> > > >

> > > > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru

> > > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can

> > > get empowered by malefic forces!

> > > >

> > > > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your Guru

> > > dasha and try to extract the best from it!

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and holistic

> > > approach

> > > > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable from

> > > one and

> > > > > > all. No doubt about that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective

purpose..

> > > not

> > > > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in

> > > begining

> > > > > > itself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Objective:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common folk

> > > with no

> > > > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course when i

> > > didn't

> > > > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even fear/care

> > > God as

> > > > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining of Jup

> > > MD. Here

> > > > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion, keep it

> > > Jup and

> > > > > > Sat only.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Subjective:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic

> > > lordship of

> > > > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make some

> > > positive

> > > > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully). What about

> > > his 12H

> > > > > > lordship?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since you

> > > mentioned

> > > > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and what

about

> > > his

> > > > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below mail? (You

> > > all

> > > > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake me;-))

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve are

> > > Natural

> > > > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad attributes,

> > > what is

> > > > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result be Good

> > > or

> > > > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some other's

> > > > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu MD.

> > > from that

> > > > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand

> > > astrologically

> > > > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by

Marrying

> > > did I?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > OR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe Jup is

> > > bad for

> > > > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am running

> > > Jup MD

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With regards and respect

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative aspect

> > > per se..

> > > > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and

> > > truthfulness

> > > > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am mentioning

> > > *Most of

> > > > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i was made

> > > to

> > > > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa Bhi Hota

> > > hai:-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > > <%40>,

> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A great

> > > benefic

> > > > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H through

> > > its MT

> > > > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > > > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period of

> > > turmoil as

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted

> > > astrologers

> > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and indeed

> > > it

> > > > > > is/was

> > > > > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment happened

> > > in

> > > > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always feel and

> > > remember

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta " when i

look

> > > at my

> > > > > > Jup.

> > > > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta, conjuct

> > > with his

> > > > > > arch

> > > > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So for

> > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i guess.. Ya

> > > due to

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in some

> > > > > > spiritual,

> > > > > > > > astrology etc subject(s)...just my own observation(s):-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic

persuits.....:-)

> > > at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc so

> > > soon...:-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in Virgo.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have made

> > > this

> > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your valuable

> > > insights

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis (Astrologically) you

> > > are

> > > > > > saying

> > > > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how Sat in

> > > Leo

> > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point of

> > > view)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as you

> > > were

> > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final

> > > > > > realignment

> > > > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a great

> > > period

> > > > > > now

> > > > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the

> > > practical

> > > > > > events..

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder prospective with

> > > regard

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as i am

> > > > > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my Passport

> > > EXIT

> > > > > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was

> > > (temporarily)

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news about

> > > my Job

> > > > > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due to other

> > > senior

> > > > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back to

> > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during this

> > > survival

> > > > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some internal

> > > office

> > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April 2006

> > > Fight

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to SELL my

> > > Gold

> > > > > > finger

> > > > > > > > ring

> > > > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my Air

> > > ticket...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug 2007

this

> > > job

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment in

> > > Dubai. did

> > > > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with avarage 12%

> > > margin

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the expenses...But

> > > By this

> > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due this

> > > frequent

> > > > > > Job

> > > > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine who knew

> > > me and

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu Dhabi and

> > > from

> > > > > > Mar

> > > > > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy as far

> > > as

> > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with

> > > Astrological

> > > > > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events without the

> > > dates of

> > > > > > > > events?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Your below comments/observations are working in most of the

> > > charts

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind yourself

> > > and

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of hardships/breaks/professional

> > > loss

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2 yrs

> > > there

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun and

> > > Moon)

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have experienced

> > > and

> > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my Profession/Career

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:-):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though

working

> > > in

> > > > > > UAE.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and practical

> > > events

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E 23'

00 " ,15

> > > N 43'

> > > > > > 00 "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects natal

> > > Sun, one

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances.*

> > > > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would depend

> > > upon the

> > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural zodiac, a

> > > 6/8

> > > > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Neelamji and Chandu2chill ji,I have been keenly observing and following this discussion. Without going into finer details, I have these points to make regarding Chandu2 chill jis upheaval in 2004-2008 . 1) He had rahu-brihaspati sandhi in his life in april 2005 looking at his horoscope, 2) he was going through the guru antardasha in guru dasha during 2005-2008 and any planet's antardasha during his own MD doesn't give good results, 3) Even tho Saturn was aspecting his 10th house, since 10th house is saturn's house, should we attribute the disturbance in his career to saturn's influence? WOuld we spoil our own house? Even if people we consider as our enemies are living in our house? We may not like it but we might harm them, create problems for them, but not to the extent they will harm our house. 4) in 2005,

Jupiter, his 9th and 12th lord was in his 6th house in transit, 5) In 2008 when chandu2chillji over came these problems, Jupiter had moved to his own house dhanu , chandu2 chilljis 9th bhagya house, rahu had moved to 10th makara, shani's house, Saturn was in leo where he is rather powerless to do any harm to anyone, plus he was running Saturn, his 10th and 11th lord's antardasha in Jupiter MD.These are just a few stray thoughts of mine.Regards, Anita--- On Sat, 12/12/09, kulbir <kulbirbains wrote:kulbir <kulbirbains Re: Is Malifics always Overpower the Benefics? Date: Saturday, 12 December, 2009, 1:14 PM

 

 

Dear Neelam ji and Chandu ji; please pardon this minor intrusion in your own going discussion;

according to Lalkitab; Mercury is combination of Jupiter and Rahu;

Jupiter represents yellow colour and Rahu represents Blue Colour; Combined together they form Green Colour represented by Mercury;

so the statement //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. **Yes, if weak, it can get empowered by malefic forces!**// seems to be very logical.

 

Regards

Kulbir

 

>

> In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

>

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, "CP" <nanna_id2006@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Neelam Ji,

> >

> > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so much for your response

> >

> > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we talk about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong i.e. Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do admire for you that:-) sincerely..

> >

> > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can get empowered by malefic forces!//

> >

> > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess now is the time..

> >

> > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the MALIFICS that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in the chart? if they can not ACT..

> >

> > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Chandu2Chill

> >

> > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini angle Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandu ji,

> >

> > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made bungalows which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or wrong!

> >

> > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my father is at fault?

> >

> > Hope you get the point.

> >

> > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can get empowered by malefic forces!

> >

> > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your Guru dasha and try to extract the best from it!

> >

> > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > >

> > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and holistic approach

> > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable from one and

> > > > all. No doubt about that.

> > > >

> > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective purpose.. not

> > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in begining

> > > > itself.

> > > >

> > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > > >

> > > > Objective:

> > > >

> > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common folk with no

> > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course when i didn't

> > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even fear/care God as

> > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining of Jup MD. Here

> > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion, keep it Jup and

> > > > Sat only.

> > > >

> > > > Subjective:

> > > >

> > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of

> > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.//

> > > >

> > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make some positive

> > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully) . What about his 12H

> > > > lordship?

> > > >

> > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since you mentioned

> > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and what about his

> > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below mail? (You all

> > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake me;-))

> > > >

> > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve are Natural

> > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad attributes, what is

> > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result be Good or

> > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > > >

> > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some other's

> > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu MD. from that

> > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand astrologically

> > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by Marrying did I?

> > > >

> > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> > > >

> > > > OR

> > > >

> > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe Jup is bad for

> > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am running Jup MD

> > > >

> > > > With regards and respect

> > > >

> > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > >

> > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative aspect per se..

> > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and truthfulness

> > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am mentioning *Most of

> > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i was made to

> > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa Bhi Hota hai:-)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > >

> > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A great benefic

> > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H through its MT

> > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as

> > > > you

> > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted astrologers

> > > > with my

> > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and indeed it

> > > > is/was

> > > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment happened in

> > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always feel and remember

> > > > the

> > > > > > song "Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta" when i look at my

> > > > Jup.

> > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta, conjuct with his

> > > > arch

> > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So for

> > > > materialistic

> > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i guess.. Ya due to

> > > > his

> > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in some

> > > > spiritual,

> > > > > > astrology etc subject(s).. .just my own observation( s):-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic persuits.... .:-) at

> > > > the

> > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc so soon...:-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in Virgo.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have made this

> > > > comment

> > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your valuable insights

> > > > and

> > > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis (Astrologically) you are

> > > > saying

> > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how Sat in Leo

> > > > worked

> > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point of view)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > >

> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > professional

> > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as you were

> > > > running

> > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final

> > > > realignment

> > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a great period

> > > > now

> > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the practical

> > > > events..

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder prospective with regard

> > > > to

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as i am

> > > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my Passport EXIT

> > > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was (temporarily)

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news about my Job

> > > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due to other senior

> > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back to Gemini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during this survival

> > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some internal office

> > > > politics

> > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April 2006 Fight

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to SELL my Gold

> > > > finger

> > > > > > ring

> > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my Air ticket...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug 2007 this job

> > > > was

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment in Dubai. did

> > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with avarage 12% margin

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the expenses...But By this

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due this frequent

> > > > Job

> > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine who knew me and

> > > > my

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu Dhabi and from

> > > > Mar

> > > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy as far as

> > > > career

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with Astrological

> > > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events without the dates of

> > > > > > events?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your below comments/observatio ns are working in most of the charts

> > > > that

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind yourself and

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of hardships/breaks/ professional loss

> > > > when

> > > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2 yrs there

> > > > were

> > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun and Moon)

> > > > from

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have experienced and

> > > > still

> > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my Profession/Career

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:- ):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though working in

> > > > UAE.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and practical events

> > > > for

> > > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E 23' 00",15 N 43'

> > > > 00"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects natal Sun, one

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances. *

> > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would depend upon the

> > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural zodiac, a 6/8

> > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Neelam Ji,

 

//I haven't said agreed or disagreed on anything about your chart. I just gave a

plain statement which may be applied after due moderation because of other

factors.//

 

Thank you for the clarification..

 

//Could you please list down the factors which, in your opinion, make your

Jupiter weak?//

 

This i believe i have already mentioned with my limited knowledge and

understanding in my previous mail itslef..

 

On the contrary i was in anticipation from kind yourself as to How Jup is

benefic and strong in my chart?:-)

 

Of course considering his avasta, conjunction, placement, house and his

despositor his amsa position, his position in other different vargas, his

Vimsopaka Bala, Shadbala. Please add if forget anything while considering the

overall *Strengths* of a planet(s) Jup in this case..

 

Thank you

 

Chandu2Chill

 

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

 

Dear Chandu ji,

 

I haven't said agreed or disagreed on anything about your chart. I just gave a

plain statement which may be applied after due moderation because of other

factors.

 

Could you please list down the factors which, in your opinion, make your Jupiter

weak?

 

Regards

Neelam

 

 

> 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Neelam Ji,

> >

> > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru

> > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. **Yes, if weak, it can

> > get empowered by malefic forces!**//

> >

> > In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

> >

> >

> > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > " CP " <nanna_id2006@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > >

> > > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so much for

> > your response

> > >

> > > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we talk

> > about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong i.e.

> > Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do admire

> > for you that:-) sincerely..

> > >

> > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu.

> > Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it

> > can get empowered by malefic forces!//

> > >

> > > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess now is

> > the time..

> > >

> > > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the MALIFICS

> > that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in the

> > chart? if they can not ACT..

> > >

> > > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Chandu2Chill

> > >

> > > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini angle

> > Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > >

> > > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made bungalows

> > which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> > > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or wrong!

> > >

> > > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be

> > tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my father

> > is at fault?

> > >

> > > Hope you get the point.

> > >

> > > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru

> > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can

> > get empowered by malefic forces!

> > >

> > > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your Guru

> > dasha and try to extract the best from it!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and holistic

> > approach

> > > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable from

> > one and

> > > > > all. No doubt about that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective purpose..

> > not

> > > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in

> > begining

> > > > > itself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > > > >

> > > > > Objective:

> > > > >

> > > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common folk

> > with no

> > > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course when i

> > didn't

> > > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even fear/care

> > God as

> > > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining of Jup

> > MD. Here

> > > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion, keep it

> > Jup and

> > > > > Sat only.

> > > > >

> > > > > Subjective:

> > > > >

> > > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic

> > lordship of

> > > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.//

> > > > >

> > > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make some

> > positive

> > > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully). What about

> > his 12H

> > > > > lordship?

> > > > >

> > > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since you

> > mentioned

> > > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and what about

> > his

> > > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below mail? (You

> > all

> > > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake me;-))

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve are

> > Natural

> > > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad attributes,

> > what is

> > > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result be Good

> > or

> > > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > > > >

> > > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some other's

> > > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu MD.

> > from that

> > > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand

> > astrologically

> > > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by Marrying

> > did I?

> > > > >

> > > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> > > > >

> > > > > OR

> > > > >

> > > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe Jup is

> > bad for

> > > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am running

> > Jup MD

> > > > >

> > > > > With regards and respect

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > >

> > > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative aspect

> > per se..

> > > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and

> > truthfulness

> > > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am mentioning

> > *Most of

> > > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i was made

> > to

> > > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa Bhi Hota

> > hai:-)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>

> > <%40>,

> > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A great

> > benefic

> > > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H through

> > its MT

> > > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period of

> > turmoil as

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted

> > astrologers

> > > > > with my

> > > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and indeed

> > it

> > > > > is/was

> > > > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment happened

> > in

> > > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always feel and

> > remember

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta " when i look

> > at my

> > > > > Jup.

> > > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta, conjuct

> > with his

> > > > > arch

> > > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So for

> > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i guess.. Ya

> > due to

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in some

> > > > > spiritual,

> > > > > > > astrology etc subject(s)...just my own observation(s):-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic persuits.....:-)

> > at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc so

> > soon...:-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in Virgo.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have made

> > this

> > > > > comment

> > > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your valuable

> > insights

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis (Astrologically) you

> > are

> > > > > saying

> > > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how Sat in

> > Leo

> > > > > worked

> > > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point of

> > view)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

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> > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > professional

> > > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as you

> > were

> > > > > running

> > > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final

> > > > > realignment

> > > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a great

> > period

> > > > > now

> > > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the

> > practical

> > > > > events..

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder prospective with

> > regard

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as i am

> > > > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my Passport

> > EXIT

> > > > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was

> > (temporarily)

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news about

> > my Job

> > > > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due to other

> > senior

> > > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back to

> > Gemini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during this

> > survival

> > > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some internal

> > office

> > > > > politics

> > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April 2006

> > Fight

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to SELL my

> > Gold

> > > > > finger

> > > > > > > ring

> > > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my Air

> > ticket...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug 2007 this

> > job

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment in

> > Dubai. did

> > > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with avarage 12%

> > margin

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the expenses...But

> > By this

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due this

> > frequent

> > > > > Job

> > > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine who knew

> > me and

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu Dhabi and

> > from

> > > > > Mar

> > > > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy as far

> > as

> > > > > career

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with

> > Astrological

> > > > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events without the

> > dates of

> > > > > > > events?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your below comments/observations are working in most of the

> > charts

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind yourself

> > and

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of hardships/breaks/professional

> > loss

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2 yrs

> > there

> > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun and

> > Moon)

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have experienced

> > and

> > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my Profession/Career

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:-):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though working

> > in

> > > > > UAE.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and practical

> > events

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E 23' 00 " ,15

> > N 43'

> > > > > 00 "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects natal

> > Sun, one

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances.*

> > > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would depend

> > upon the

> > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural zodiac, a

> > 6/8

> > > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Bhaskar Ji,

 

Glad to see and read your valuable comments and observations. Thank you so

much..

 

// his chart is right, then he may face a change in his place, maybe a

transfer, and some problems in profession are about to begin, if not already

begin, which will also involve some dissatisfaction from his superiors or some

reasons connected to Father.//

 

Since Jup is in deep sleep now and preparing to visit my 11H. his Natal postion

3rd time, as of writing this message nothing or no news as you mentioned above..

Let me wait and watch...surely i shall be able to provide actual happenings when

he starts his Journey to Kumbha..

 

Regards

 

Chandu2Chill

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

 

Dear Chandu 2 chill ji and Neelam ji,'

 

I do not wish to dwell much on the intracsies of this chart,but the planet which

is occupant of any house will be very powerful to represent the significations

of that house, and if I am not mistaken Jupiter is placed in the 11th house of

his chart and represents the badhaksthana also. So badhas wil be felt all round

in the other areas represented too by Jupiter, which is profession in this case.

 

If his chart is right, then he may face a change in his place, maybe a

transfer, and some problems in profession are about to begin, if not already

begin, which will also involve some dissatisfaction from his superiors or some

reasons connected to Father.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

> , " raiaashish " <raiaashish@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandu ji and Neelam ji,

> > Please forgive me for my intrusion. I just started learning astrology and

very new to this forum. Just reading Chara Dasa book of Shri K.N.Rao ji and

Chanduji's details fit like puzzle in his chara dasa theory !!!!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Aashish

> >

> > , neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > >

> > > I haven't said agreed or disagreed on anything about your chart. I just

gave

> > > a plain statement which may be applied after due moderation because of

other

> > > factors.

> > >

> > > Could you please list down the factors which, in your opinion, make your

> > > Jupiter weak?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > >

> > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu.

Guru

> > > > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. **Yes, if weak, it

can

> > > > get empowered by malefic forces!**//

> > > >

> > > > In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > > > " CP " <nanna_id2006@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so much

for

> > > > your response

> > > > >

> > > > > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we

talk

> > > > about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong

i.e.

> > > > Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do

admire

> > > > for you that:-) sincerely..

> > > > >

> > > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu.

> > > > Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak,

it

> > > > can get empowered by malefic forces!//

> > > > >

> > > > > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess now

is

> > > > the time..

> > > > >

> > > > > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the

MALIFICS

> > > > that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in the

> > > > chart? if they can not ACT..

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > >

> > > > > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini

angle

> > > > Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made

bungalows

> > > > which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> > > > > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or wrong!

> > > > >

> > > > > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be

> > > > tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my

father

> > > > is at fault?

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope you get the point.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu.

Guru

> > > > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it

can

> > > > get empowered by malefic forces!

> > > > >

> > > > > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your Guru

> > > > dasha and try to extract the best from it!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and holistic

> > > > approach

> > > > > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable from

> > > > one and

> > > > > > > all. No doubt about that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective

purpose..

> > > > not

> > > > > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in

> > > > begining

> > > > > > > itself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Objective:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common folk

> > > > with no

> > > > > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course when i

> > > > didn't

> > > > > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even

fear/care

> > > > God as

> > > > > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining of

Jup

> > > > MD. Here

> > > > > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion, keep it

> > > > Jup and

> > > > > > > Sat only.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Subjective:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic

> > > > lordship of

> > > > > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make some

> > > > positive

> > > > > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully). What about

> > > > his 12H

> > > > > > > lordship?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since you

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and what

about

> > > > his

> > > > > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below mail?

(You

> > > > all

> > > > > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake me;-))

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve are

> > > > Natural

> > > > > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad

attributes,

> > > > what is

> > > > > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result be

Good

> > > > or

> > > > > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some other's

> > > > > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu MD.

> > > > from that

> > > > > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand

> > > > astrologically

> > > > > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by

Marrying

> > > > did I?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > OR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe Jup is

> > > > bad for

> > > > > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am running

> > > > Jup MD

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With regards and respect

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative aspect

> > > > per se..

> > > > > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and

> > > > truthfulness

> > > > > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am mentioning

> > > > *Most of

> > > > > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i was

made

> > > > to

> > > > > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa Bhi

Hota

> > > > hai:-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

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> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A great

> > > > benefic

> > > > > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H

through

> > > > its MT

> > > > > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > > > > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun

causing

> > > > > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period of

> > > > turmoil as

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and

indeed

> > > > it

> > > > > > > is/was

> > > > > > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment

happened

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always feel and

> > > > remember

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta " when i

look

> > > > at my

> > > > > > > Jup.

> > > > > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta, conjuct

> > > > with his

> > > > > > > arch

> > > > > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So for

> > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i guess.. Ya

> > > > due to

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in some

> > > > > > > spiritual,

> > > > > > > > > astrology etc subject(s)...just my own observation(s):-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic

persuits.....:-)

> > > > at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc so

> > > > soon...:-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in

Virgo.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have made

> > > > this

> > > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your valuable

> > > > insights

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis (Astrologically) you

> > > > are

> > > > > > > saying

> > > > > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how Sat in

> > > > Leo

> > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point of

> > > > view)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as you

> > > > were

> > > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial and

final

> > > > > > > realignment

> > > > > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a great

> > > > period

> > > > > > > now

> > > > > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the

> > > > practical

> > > > > > > events..

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder prospective

with

> > > > regard

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as i am

> > > > > > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my Passport

> > > > EXIT

> > > > > > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was

> > > > (temporarily)

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news

about

> > > > my Job

> > > > > > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due to

other

> > > > senior

> > > > > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back to

> > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during this

> > > > survival

> > > > > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some internal

> > > > office

> > > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April 2006

> > > > Fight

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to SELL my

> > > > Gold

> > > > > > > finger

> > > > > > > > > ring

> > > > > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my Air

> > > > ticket...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug 2007

this

> > > > job

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment in

> > > > Dubai. did

> > > > > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with avarage 12%

> > > > margin

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the

expenses...But

> > > > By this

> > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due this

> > > > frequent

> > > > > > > Job

> > > > > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine who

knew

> > > > me and

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu Dhabi

and

> > > > from

> > > > > > > Mar

> > > > > > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy as

far

> > > > as

> > > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with

> > > > Astrological

> > > > > > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events without the

> > > > dates of

> > > > > > > > > events?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Your below comments/observations are working in most of

the

> > > > charts

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind

yourself

> > > > and

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of

hardships/breaks/professional

> > > > loss

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2 yrs

> > > > there

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun and

> > > > Moon)

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have

experienced

> > > > and

> > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my Profession/Career

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:-):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though

working

> > > > in

> > > > > > > UAE.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and practical

> > > > events

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E 23'

00 " ,15

> > > > N 43'

> > > > > > > 00 "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

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> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects natal

> > > > Sun, one

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances.*

> > > > > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would depend

> > > > upon the

> > > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural zodiac,

a

> > > > 6/8

> > > > > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandu2chill ji,//On the contrary i was in anticipation from kind yourself as to How Jup is benefic and strong in my chart?//Despite AIA being a group which does not allow personal readings, your chart ends up being the most read chart here.:-)

Most of the learned members have given their input on your chart. I thought you would collect the earlier information and present it for the benefit of new members!Now you've just started your Mercury Antar. Focus on 3/6/10/11. All upchayas getting activated.

Key to success is 3H - Hardwork, effort and communication. The same would also cause impediments in work as mercury is in 8H from there. Mars, the LL aspects from 9H, who is also the 8L. There is exchange between Sat-Mer which again is sweet and sour both.

3H is being fully activated: Jupiter the dashanath aspects 3H, in natal chart and now in transit too, 10L Saturn is in natal 3H and now aspects 3H in transit (DT also on gemini). Mercury with moon in 10H would surely keep your mind over-occupied. Most importantly, you have gemini rising in D10 with Sun and Mars,

Now you know enough masala to cook something! And don't forget to serve us!:-)RegardsNeelam2009/12/13 CP <nanna_id2006

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri Bhaskar Ji,

 

Glad to see and read your valuable comments and observations. Thank you so much..

 

// his chart is right, then he may face a change in his place, maybe a transfer, and some problems in profession are about to begin, if not already begin, which will also involve some dissatisfaction from his superiors or some reasons connected to Father.//

 

Since Jup is in deep sleep now and preparing to visit my 11H. his Natal postion 3rd time, as of writing this message nothing or no news as you mentioned above.. Let me wait and watch...surely i shall be able to provide actual happenings when he starts his Journey to Kumbha..

 

Regards

 

Chandu2Chill

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

 

Dear Chandu 2 chill ji and Neelam ji,'

 

I do not wish to dwell much on the intracsies of this chart,but the planet which is occupant of any house will be very powerful to represent the significations of that house, and if I am not mistaken Jupiter is placed in the 11th house of his chart and represents the badhaksthana also. So badhas wil be felt all round in the other areas represented too by Jupiter, which is profession in this case.

 

If his chart is right, then he may face a change in his place, maybe a transfer, and some problems in profession are about to begin, if not already begin, which will also involve some dissatisfaction from his superiors or some reasons connected to Father.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

> , " raiaashish " <raiaashish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandu ji and Neelam ji,

> > Please forgive me for my intrusion. I just started learning astrology and very new to this forum. Just reading Chara Dasa book of Shri K.N.Rao ji and Chanduji's details fit like puzzle in his chara dasa theory !!!!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Aashish

> >

> > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > >

> > > I haven't said agreed or disagreed on anything about your chart. I just gave

> > > a plain statement which may be applied after due moderation because of other

> > > factors.

> > >

> > > Could you please list down the factors which, in your opinion, make your

> > > Jupiter weak?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > >

> > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru

> > > > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. **Yes, if weak, it can

> > > > get empowered by malefic forces!**//

> > > >

> > > > In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > " CP " <nanna_id2006@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so much for

> > > > your response

> > > > >

> > > > > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we talk

> > > > about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong i.e.

> > > > Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do admire

> > > > for you that:-) sincerely..

> > > > >

> > > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu.

> > > > Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it

> > > > can get empowered by malefic forces!//

> > > > >

> > > > > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess now is

> > > > the time..

> > > > >

> > > > > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the MALIFICS

> > > > that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in the

> > > > chart? if they can not ACT..

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > >

> > > > > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini angle

> > > > Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

> > > > >

> > > > > <%40>,

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made bungalows

> > > > which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> > > > > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or wrong!

> > > > >

> > > > > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be

> > > > tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my father

> > > > is at fault?

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope you get the point.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru

> > > > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can

> > > > get empowered by malefic forces!

> > > > >

> > > > > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your Guru

> > > > dasha and try to extract the best from it!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and holistic

> > > > approach

> > > > > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable from

> > > > one and

> > > > > > > all. No doubt about that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective purpose..

> > > > not

> > > > > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in

> > > > begining

> > > > > > > itself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Objective:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common folk

> > > > with no

> > > > > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course when i

> > > > didn't

> > > > > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even fear/care

> > > > God as

> > > > > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining of Jup

> > > > MD. Here

> > > > > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion, keep it

> > > > Jup and

> > > > > > > Sat only.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Subjective:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic

> > > > lordship of

> > > > > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make some

> > > > positive

> > > > > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully). What about

> > > > his 12H

> > > > > > > lordship?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since you

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and what about

> > > > his

> > > > > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below mail? (You

> > > > all

> > > > > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake me;-))

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve are

> > > > Natural

> > > > > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad attributes,

> > > > what is

> > > > > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result be Good

> > > > or

> > > > > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some other's

> > > > > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu MD.

> > > > from that

> > > > > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand

> > > > astrologically

> > > > > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by Marrying

> > > > did I?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > OR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe Jup is

> > > > bad for

> > > > > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am running

> > > > Jup MD

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With regards and respect

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative aspect

> > > > per se..

> > > > > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and

> > > > truthfulness

> > > > > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am mentioning

> > > > *Most of

> > > > > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i was made

> > > > to

> > > > > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa Bhi Hota

> > > > hai:-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A great

> > > > benefic

> > > > > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H through

> > > > its MT

> > > > > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > > > > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period of

> > > > turmoil as

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and indeed

> > > > it

> > > > > > > is/was

> > > > > > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment happened

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always feel and

> > > > remember

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta " when i look

> > > > at my

> > > > > > > Jup.

> > > > > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta, conjuct

> > > > with his

> > > > > > > arch

> > > > > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So for

> > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i guess.. Ya

> > > > due to

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in some

> > > > > > > spiritual,

> > > > > > > > > astrology etc subject(s)...just my own observation(s):-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic persuits.....:-)

> > > > at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc so

> > > > soon...:-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in Virgo.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have made

> > > > this

> > > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your valuable

> > > > insights

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis (Astrologically) you

> > > > are

> > > > > > > saying

> > > > > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how Sat in

> > > > Leo

> > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point of

> > > > view)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as you

> > > > were

> > > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final

> > > > > > > realignment

> > > > > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a great

> > > > period

> > > > > > > now

> > > > > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the

> > > > practical

> > > > > > > events..

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder prospective with

> > > > regard

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as i am

> > > > > > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my Passport

> > > > EXIT

> > > > > > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was

> > > > (temporarily)

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news about

> > > > my Job

> > > > > > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due to other

> > > > senior

> > > > > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back to

> > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during this

> > > > survival

> > > > > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some internal

> > > > office

> > > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April 2006

> > > > Fight

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to SELL my

> > > > Gold

> > > > > > > finger

> > > > > > > > > ring

> > > > > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my Air

> > > > ticket...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug 2007 this

> > > > job

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment in

> > > > Dubai. did

> > > > > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with avarage 12%

> > > > margin

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the expenses...But

> > > > By this

> > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due this

> > > > frequent

> > > > > > > Job

> > > > > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine who knew

> > > > me and

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu Dhabi and

> > > > from

> > > > > > > Mar

> > > > > > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy as far

> > > > as

> > > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with

> > > > Astrological

> > > > > > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events without the

> > > > dates of

> > > > > > > > > events?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Your below comments/observations are working in most of the

> > > > charts

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind yourself

> > > > and

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of hardships/breaks/professional

> > > > loss

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2 yrs

> > > > there

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun and

> > > > Moon)

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have experienced

> > > > and

> > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my Profession/Career

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:-):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though working

> > > > in

> > > > > > > UAE.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and practical

> > > > events

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E 23' 00 " ,15

> > > > N 43'

> > > > > > > 00 "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects natal

> > > > Sun, one

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances.*

> > > > > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would depend

> > > > upon the

> > > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural zodiac, a

> > > > 6/8

> > > > > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

NEELAMJI After a long long time talking ---I am aq asc and rasi.and jup in asc. itself so this transit of jupiter in aquaris will prove to what in my case as i have jupiter in aquaris with moon since birth but it is alone in bhaav chakra and moon goes in 12th.should I take it as positive or not?"adh jal gagri chalkat jaaye" is what is happening with me regarding this issue-- i know nothing in astrology-not much as such-and reading papers and seeing these media presentations make me thing negative aout it.Pl suggest if you wish to as i need to hear from you badly.regdssiddhartha saxenabhopal This mail is sent by

siddhartha.neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Sun, 13 December, 2009 4:44:40 PMRe: Re: Is Malifics always Overpower the Benefics?

 

 

Dear Chandu2chill ji,//On the contrary i was in anticipation from kind yourself as to How Jup is benefic and strong in my chart?//Despite AIA being a group which does not allow personal readings, your chart ends up being the most read chart here.:-)

Most of the learned members have given their input on your chart. I thought you would collect the earlier information and present it for the benefit of new members!Now you've just started your Mercury Antar. Focus on 3/6/10/11. All upchayas getting activated.

Key to success is 3H - Hardwork, effort and communication. The same would also cause impediments in work as mercury is in 8H from there. Mars, the LL aspects from 9H, who is also the 8L. There is exchange between Sat-Mer which again is sweet and sour both.

3H is being fully activated: Jupiter the dashanath aspects 3H, in natal chart and now in transit too, 10L Saturn is in natal 3H and now aspects 3H in transit (DT also on gemini). Mercury with moon in 10H would surely keep your mind over-occupied. Most importantly, you have gemini rising in D10 with Sun and Mars,

Now you know enough masala to cook something! And don't forget to serve us!:-)RegardsNeelam2009/12/13 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri Bhaskar Ji,

 

Glad to see and read your valuable comments and observations. Thank you so much..

 

// his chart is right, then he may face a change in his place, maybe a transfer, and some problems in profession are about to begin, if not already begin, which will also involve some dissatisfaction from his superiors or some reasons connected to Father.//

 

Since Jup is in deep sleep now and preparing to visit my 11H. his Natal postion 3rd time, as of writing this message nothing or no news as you mentioned above.. Let me wait and watch...surely i shall be able to provide actual happenings when he starts his Journey to Kumbha..

 

Regards

 

Chandu2Chill

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

 

Dear Chandu 2 chill ji and Neelam ji,'

 

I do not wish to dwell much on the intracsies of this chart,but the planet which is occupant of any house will be very powerful to represent the significations of that house, and if I am not mistaken Jupiter is placed in the 11th house of his chart and represents the badhaksthana also. So badhas wil be felt all round in the other areas represented too by Jupiter, which is profession in this case.

 

If his chart is right, then he may face a change in his place, maybe a transfer, and some problems in profession are about to begin, if not already begin, which will also involve some dissatisfaction from his superiors or some reasons connected to Father.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

> ancient_indian_ astrology, "raiaashish" <raiaashish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandu ji and Neelam ji,

> > Please forgive me for my intrusion. I just started learning astrology and very new to this forum. Just reading Chara Dasa book of Shri K.N.Rao ji and Chanduji's details fit like puzzle in his chara dasa theory !!!!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Aashish

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > >

> > > I haven't said agreed or disagreed on anything about your chart. I just gave

> > > a plain statement which may be applied after due moderation because of other

> > > factors.

> > >

> > > Could you please list down the factors which, in your opinion, make your

> > > Jupiter weak?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > >

> > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru

> > > > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. **Yes, if weak, it can

> > > > get empowered by malefic forces!**//

> > > >

> > > > In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>,

> > > > "CP" <nanna_id2006@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so much for

> > > > your response

> > > > >

> > > > > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we talk

> > > > about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong i.e.

> > > > Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do admire

> > > > for you that:-) sincerely..

> > > > >

> > > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu.

> > > > Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it

> > > > can get empowered by malefic forces!//

> > > > >

> > > > > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess now is

> > > > the time..

> > > > >

> > > > > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the MALIFICS

> > > > that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in the

> > > > chart? if they can not ACT..

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > >

> > > > > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini angle

> > > > Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>,

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made bungalows

> > > > which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> > > > > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or wrong!

> > > > >

> > > > > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be

> > > > tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my father

> > > > is at fault?

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope you get the point.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru

> > > > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can

> > > > get empowered by malefic forces!

> > > > >

> > > > > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your Guru

> > > > dasha and try to extract the best from it!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and holistic

> > > > approach

> > > > > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable from

> > > > one and

> > > > > > > all. No doubt about that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective purpose..

> > > > not

> > > > > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in

> > > > begining

> > > > > > > itself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Objective:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common folk

> > > > with no

> > > > > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course when i

> > > > didn't

> > > > > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even fear/care

> > > > God as

> > > > > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining of Jup

> > > > MD. Here

> > > > > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion, keep it

> > > > Jup and

> > > > > > > Sat only.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Subjective:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic

> > > > lordship of

> > > > > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make some

> > > > positive

> > > > > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully) . What about

> > > > his 12H

> > > > > > > lordship?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since you

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and what about

> > > > his

> > > > > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below mail? (You

> > > > all

> > > > > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake me;-))

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve are

> > > > Natural

> > > > > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad attributes,

> > > > what is

> > > > > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result be Good

> > > > or

> > > > > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some other's

> > > > > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu MD.

> > > > from that

> > > > > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand

> > > > astrologically

> > > > > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by Marrying

> > > > did I?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > OR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe Jup is

> > > > bad for

> > > > > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am running

> > > > Jup MD

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With regards and respect

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative aspect

> > > > per se..

> > > > > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and

> > > > truthfulness

> > > > > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am mentioning

> > > > *Most of

> > > > > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i was made

> > > > to

> > > > > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa Bhi Hota

> > > > hai:-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>

> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>,

> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A great

> > > > benefic

> > > > > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H through

> > > > its MT

> > > > > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > > > > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period of

> > > > turmoil as

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and indeed

> > > > it

> > > > > > > is/was

> > > > > > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment happened

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always feel and

> > > > remember

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > song "Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta" when i look

> > > > at my

> > > > > > > Jup.

> > > > > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta, conjuct

> > > > with his

> > > > > > > arch

> > > > > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So for

> > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i guess.. Ya

> > > > due to

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in some

> > > > > > > spiritual,

> > > > > > > > > astrology etc subject(s).. .just my own observation( s):-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic persuits.... .:-)

> > > > at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc so

> > > > soon...:-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in Virgo.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have made

> > > > this

> > > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your valuable

> > > > insights

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis (Astrologically) you

> > > > are

> > > > > > > saying

> > > > > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how Sat in

> > > > Leo

> > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point of

> > > > view)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>

> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>

> > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as you

> > > > were

> > > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final

> > > > > > > realignment

> > > > > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a great

> > > > period

> > > > > > > now

> > > > > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the

> > > > practical

> > > > > > > events..

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder prospective with

> > > > regard

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as i am

> > > > > > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my Passport

> > > > EXIT

> > > > > > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was

> > > > (temporarily)

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news about

> > > > my Job

> > > > > > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due to other

> > > > senior

> > > > > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back to

> > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during this

> > > > survival

> > > > > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some internal

> > > > office

> > > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April 2006

> > > > Fight

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to SELL my

> > > > Gold

> > > > > > > finger

> > > > > > > > > ring

> > > > > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my Air

> > > > ticket...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug 2007 this

> > > > job

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment in

> > > > Dubai. did

> > > > > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with avarage 12%

> > > > margin

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the expenses...But

> > > > By this

> > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due this

> > > > frequent

> > > > > > > Job

> > > > > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine who knew

> > > > me and

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu Dhabi and

> > > > from

> > > > > > > Mar

> > > > > > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy as far

> > > > as

> > > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with

> > > > Astrological

> > > > > > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>

> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>

> > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>

> > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events without the

> > > > dates of

> > > > > > > > > events?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Your below comments/observatio ns are working in most of the

> > > > charts

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind yourself

> > > > and

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of hardships/breaks/ professional

> > > > loss

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2 yrs

> > > > there

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun and

> > > > Moon)

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have experienced

> > > > and

> > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my Profession/Career

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:- ):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though working

> > > > in

> > > > > > > UAE.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and practical

> > > > events

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E 23' 00",15

> > > > N 43'

> > > > > > > 00"

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>

> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>

> > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>

> > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>

> > > > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects natal

> > > > Sun, one

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances. *

> > > > > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would depend

> > > > upon the

> > > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural zodiac, a

> > > > 6/8

> > > > > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Respected Neelam Ji,

 

Thank you for your wonderful insights, observations and valuable hints in fact i

was waiting to see someone write that - I just Started Jup-Mer. I knew just b4

and deliberately did not mention:-)

 

But i can see and sense some changes in me and my day to day patterns within

couple of days itself when Mercury AD started.....and you are Right along with

what Shri Bhaskar Ji has also provided some hints..

 

//Despite AIA being a group which does not allow personal readings, your chart

ends up being the most read chart here.:-) Most of the learned members have

given their input on your chart. I thought you would collect the earlier

information and present it for the benefit of new members!//

 

You are 100% Correct i can sense Neelam ji + Moderator's Danda also speaking

here!!..Hahah. I am most previlaged and feel blessed by all learned members out

here including Shreenadh Ji, yourself and personally missing Shri Sunil Nair Ji

and his writings since long (Not for my reading mind you:-)).

 

//Now you've just started your Mercury Antar. Focus on 3/6/10/11. All upchayas

getting activated. Key to success is 3H - Hardwork, effort and communication.

The same would also cause impediments in work as mercury is in 8H from there.

Mars, the LL aspects from 9H, who is also the 8L. There is exchange between

Sat-Mer which again is sweet and sour both.

 

3H is being fully activated: Jupiter the dashanath aspects 3H, in natal chart

and now in transit too, 10L Saturn is in natal 3H and now aspects 3H in transit

(DT also on gemini). Mercury with moon in 10H would surely keep your mind

over-occupied. Most importantly, you have gemini rising in D10 with Sun and

Mars,

 

Now you know enough masala to cook something! And don't forget to serve us!:-)//

 

Since the Ingredients details/advise including what to put where to put, how

much to put and where to take precautions etc is coming from one of the Great

and finest Chef (read as Astrologer) i.e. You to a small trainee cook, then i am

sure it will be a good and tasty food only at the end of the day:-)

 

Regards

 

Chandu2Chill

 

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

 

Dear Chandu2chill ji,

 

//On the contrary i was in anticipation from kind yourself as to How Jup is

benefic and strong in my chart?//

 

Despite AIA being a group which does not allow personal readings, your chart

ends up being the most read chart here.:-) Most of the learned members have

given their input on your chart. I thought you would collect the earlier

information and present it for the benefit of new members!

 

Now you've just started your Mercury Antar. Focus on 3/6/10/11. All upchayas

getting activated. Key to success is 3H - Hardwork, effort and communication.

The same would also cause impediments in work as mercury is in 8H from there.

Mars, the LL aspects from 9H, who is also the 8L. There is exchange between

Sat-Mer which again is sweet and sour both.

 

3H is being fully activated: Jupiter the dashanath aspects 3H, in natal chart

and now in transit too, 10L Saturn is in natal 3H and now aspects 3H in transit

(DT also on gemini). Mercury with moon in 10H would surely keep your mind

over-occupied. Most importantly, you have gemini rising in D10 with Sun and

Mars,

 

Now you know enough masala to cook something! And don't forget to serve us!:-)

 

Regards

Neelam

 

2009/12/13 CP <nanna_id2006

 

Dear Shri Bhaskar Ji,

 

Glad to see and read your valuable comments and observations. Thank you so

much..

 

// his chart is right, then he may face a change in his place, maybe a

transfer, and some problems in profession are about to begin, if not already

begin, which will also involve some dissatisfaction from his superiors or some

reasons connected to Father.//

 

Since Jup is in deep sleep now and preparing to visit my 11H. his Natal postion

3rd time, as of writing this message nothing or no news as you mentioned above..

Let me wait and watch...surely i shall be able to provide actual happenings when

he starts his Journey to Kumbha..

 

Regards

Chandu2Chill

 

> > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandu 2 chill ji and Neelam ji,'

> >

> > I do not wish to dwell much on the intracsies of this chart,but the planet

> > which is occupant of any house will be very powerful to represent the

> > significations of that house, and if I am not mistaken Jupiter is placed in

> > the 11th house of his chart and represents the badhaksthana also. So badhas

> > wil be felt all round in the other areas represented too by Jupiter, which

> > is profession in this case.

> >

> > If his chart is right, then he may face a change in his place, maybe a

> > transfer, and some problems in profession are about to begin, if not already

> > begin, which will also involve some dissatisfaction from his superiors or

> > some reasons connected to Father.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > " raiaashish " <raiaashish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandu ji and Neelam ji,

> > > > Please forgive me for my intrusion. I just started learning astrology

> > and very new to this forum. Just reading Chara Dasa book of Shri K.N.Rao ji

> > and Chanduji's details fit like puzzle in his chara dasa theory !!!!

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Aashish

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I haven't said agreed or disagreed on anything about your chart. I

> > just gave

> > > > > a plain statement which may be applied after due moderation because

> > of other

> > > > > factors.

> > > > >

> > > > > Could you please list down the factors which, in your opinion, make

> > your

> > > > > Jupiter weak?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in

> > Rahu. Guru

> > > > > > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. **Yes, if

> > weak, it can

> > > > > > get empowered by malefic forces!**//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>

> > <%40>,

> > > > > > " CP " <nanna_id2006@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so

> > much for

> > > > > > your response

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when

> > we talk

> > > > > > about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am

> > wrong i.e.

> > > > > > Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do

> > admire

> > > > > > for you that:-) sincerely..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in

> > Rahu.

> > > > > > Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if

> > weak, it

> > > > > > can get empowered by malefic forces!//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i

> > guess now is

> > > > > > the time..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the

> > MALIFICS

> > > > > > that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in

> > the

> > > > > > chart? if they can not ACT..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from

> > Jaimini angle

> > > > > > Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>

> > <%40>,

> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made

> > bungalows

> > > > > > which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> > > > > > > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or

> > wrong!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might

> > be

> > > > > > tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my

> > father

> > > > > > is at fault?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope you get the point.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in

> > Rahu. Guru

> > > > > > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak,

> > it can

> > > > > > get empowered by malefic forces!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your

> > Guru

> > > > > > dasha and try to extract the best from it!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and

> > holistic

> > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable

> > from

> > > > > > one and

> > > > > > > > > all. No doubt about that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective

> > purpose..

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in

> > > > > > begining

> > > > > > > > > itself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Objective:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common

> > folk

> > > > > > with no

> > > > > > > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course

> > when i

> > > > > > didn't

> > > > > > > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even

> > fear/care

> > > > > > God as

> > > > > > > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining

> > of Jup

> > > > > > MD. Here

> > > > > > > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion,

> > keep it

> > > > > > Jup and

> > > > > > > > > Sat only.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Subjective:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most

> > benefic

> > > > > > lordship of

> > > > > > > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another

> > benefic.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make

> > some

> > > > > > positive

> > > > > > > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully). What

> > about

> > > > > > his 12H

> > > > > > > > > lordship?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since

> > you

> > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and

> > what about

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below

> > mail? (You

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake

> > me;-))

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve

> > are

> > > > > > Natural

> > > > > > > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad

> > attributes,

> > > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result

> > be Good

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some

> > other's

> > > > > > > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu

> > MD.

> > > > > > from that

> > > > > > > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand

> > > > > > astrologically

> > > > > > > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by

> > Marrying

> > > > > > did I?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > OR

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe

> > Jup is

> > > > > > bad for

> > > > > > > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am

> > running

> > > > > > Jup MD

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With regards and respect

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative

> > aspect

> > > > > > per se..

> > > > > > > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and

> > > > > > truthfulness

> > > > > > > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am

> > mentioning

> > > > > > *Most of

> > > > > > > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i

> > was made

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa

> > Bhi Hota

> > > > > > hai:-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A

> > great

> > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H

> > through

> > > > > > its MT

> > > > > > > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > > > > > > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun

> > causing

> > > > > > > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period

> > of

> > > > > > turmoil as

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted

> > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and

> > indeed

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > is/was

> > > > > > > > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment

> > happened

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always

> > feel and

> > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta "

> > when i look

> > > > > > at my

> > > > > > > > > Jup.

> > > > > > > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta,

> > conjuct

> > > > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > arch

> > > > > > > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So

> > for

> > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i

> > guess.. Ya

> > > > > > due to

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in

> > some

> > > > > > > > > spiritual,

> > > > > > > > > > > astrology etc subject(s)...just my own observation(s):-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic

> > persuits.....:-)

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc

> > so

> > > > > > soon...:-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in

> > Virgo.//

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have

> > made

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your

> > valuable

> > > > > > insights

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis

> > (Astrologically) you

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > saying

> > > > > > > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how

> > Sat in

> > > > > > Leo

> > > > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point

> > of

> > > > > > view)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun

> > causing

> > > > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as

> > you

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial

> > and final

> > > > > > > > > realignment

> > > > > > > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a

> > great

> > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > > now

> > > > > > > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the

> > > > > > practical

> > > > > > > > > events..

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder

> > prospective with

> > > > > > regard

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as

> > i am

> > > > > > > > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my

> > Passport

> > > > > > EXIT

> > > > > > > > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was

> > > > > > (temporarily)

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news

> > about

> > > > > > my Job

> > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due

> > to other

> > > > > > senior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back

> > to

> > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during

> > this

> > > > > > survival

> > > > > > > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some

> > internal

> > > > > > office

> > > > > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April

> > 2006

> > > > > > Fight

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to

> > SELL my

> > > > > > Gold

> > > > > > > > > finger

> > > > > > > > > > > ring

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my

> > Air

> > > > > > ticket...

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug

> > 2007 this

> > > > > > job

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment

> > in

> > > > > > Dubai. did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with

> > avarage 12%

> > > > > > margin

> > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the

> > expenses...But

> > > > > > By this

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due

> > this

> > > > > > frequent

> > > > > > > > > Job

> > > > > > > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine

> > who knew

> > > > > > me and

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu

> > Dhabi and

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Mar

> > > > > > > > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy

> > as far

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with

> > > > > > Astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events

> > without the

> > > > > > dates of

> > > > > > > > > > > events?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Your below comments/observations are working in most

> > of the

> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind

> > yourself

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of

> > hardships/breaks/professional

> > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2

> > yrs

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun

> > and

> > > > > > Moon)

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have

> > experienced

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my

> > Profession/Career

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:-):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though

> > working

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > UAE.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and

> > practical

> > > > > > events

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E

> > 23' 00 " ,15

> > > > > > N 43'

> > > > > > > > > 00 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects

> > natal

> > > > > > Sun, one

> > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances.*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would

> > depend

> > > > > > upon the

> > > > > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural

> > zodiac, a

> > > > > > 6/8

> > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Siddhartha ji,I think you spend more time with bhakti sangeet than with your professional activities! And may be you’re philosophically inclined, more of an idealist. T-Jupiter in Aquarius over your N-Moon and N-Jup. That means LL Saturn transiting in 8H from moon. If you are born around 1974, then you have your LL in Gemini in 5H. ‘What does a transit LL/rasheesh in 8H imply? Period of transformations, revelations, unraveling of life’s mysteries through what would appear to be a loss of bhagya.  Jupiter in lagna over moon, similarly implies personal growth and nourishment of mental faculties, but there may be no gain of money.

Both Jup and Saturn activate 5H where also LL is placed. Saturn in Gemini, especially if mercury is strong and well placed gives artistic abilities or education in art, etc. You may be having good writing skills. There may be an interest of playing any musical instrument or something to do with sound. Success in this will depend upon 3H/3L. I feel this could be the time to revisit those areas and try to find useful vocation through your talents.  Saturn would aspect 2/5/10. I feel income could come through your talent. Issues related to child would gain prominence, but may not be conducive for marital happiness.

Of course this is a gross evaluation based on three planets, which may be totally off mark. It would depend upon other natal positions, varga strengths and dashas. You may have gains when your LL would transit in Libra and aspect 3/6/11 to push you towards hard work (yes, i am saying you don't work hard enough!). Jupiter also in 2nd from moon would be good for gains.

Hope that helps:-)Best WishesNeelam

[Guest guest]

Great! Best Wishes:-)Neelam2009/12/13 CP <nanna_id2006

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Neelam Ji,

 

Thank you for your wonderful insights, observations and valuable hints in fact i was waiting to see someone write that - I just Started Jup-Mer. I knew just b4 and deliberately did not mention:-)

 

But i can see and sense some changes in me and my day to day patterns within couple of days itself when Mercury AD started.....and you are Right along with what Shri Bhaskar Ji has also provided some hints..

 

//Despite AIA being a group which does not allow personal readings, your chart ends up being the most read chart here.:-) Most of the learned members have given their input on your chart. I thought you would collect the earlier information and present it for the benefit of new members!//

 

You are 100% Correct i can sense Neelam ji + Moderator's Danda also speaking here!!..Hahah. I am most previlaged and feel blessed by all learned members out here including Shreenadh Ji, yourself and personally missing Shri Sunil Nair Ji and his writings since long (Not for my reading mind you:-)).

 

//Now you've just started your Mercury Antar. Focus on 3/6/10/11. All upchayas getting activated. Key to success is 3H - Hardwork, effort and communication. The same would also cause impediments in work as mercury is in 8H from there. Mars, the LL aspects from 9H, who is also the 8L. There is exchange between Sat-Mer which again is sweet and sour both.

 

 

3H is being fully activated: Jupiter the dashanath aspects 3H, in natal chart and now in transit too, 10L Saturn is in natal 3H and now aspects 3H in transit (DT also on gemini). Mercury with moon in 10H would surely keep your mind over-occupied. Most importantly, you have gemini rising in D10 with Sun and Mars,

 

Now you know enough masala to cook something! And don't forget to serve us!:-)//

 

Since the Ingredients details/advise including what to put where to put, how much to put and where to take precautions etc is coming from one of the Great and finest Chef (read as Astrologer) i.e. You to a small trainee cook, then i am sure it will be a good and tasty food only at the end of the day:-)

 

Regards

 

Chandu2Chill

 

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

 

Dear Chandu2chill ji,

 

//On the contrary i was in anticipation from kind yourself as to How Jup is benefic and strong in my chart?//

 

Despite AIA being a group which does not allow personal readings, your chart ends up being the most read chart here.:-) Most of the learned members have given their input on your chart. I thought you would collect the earlier information and present it for the benefit of new members!

 

Now you've just started your Mercury Antar. Focus on 3/6/10/11. All upchayas getting activated. Key to success is 3H - Hardwork, effort and communication. The same would also cause impediments in work as mercury is in 8H from there. Mars, the LL aspects from 9H, who is also the 8L. There is exchange between Sat-Mer which again is sweet and sour both.

 

3H is being fully activated: Jupiter the dashanath aspects 3H, in natal chart and now in transit too, 10L Saturn is in natal 3H and now aspects 3H in transit (DT also on gemini). Mercury with moon in 10H would surely keep your mind over-occupied. Most importantly, you have gemini rising in D10 with Sun and Mars,

 

Now you know enough masala to cook something! And don't forget to serve us!:-)

 

Regards

Neelam

 

2009/12/13 CP <nanna_id2006

 

Dear Shri Bhaskar Ji,

 

Glad to see and read your valuable comments and observations. Thank you so much..

 

// his chart is right, then he may face a change in his place, maybe a

transfer, and some problems in profession are about to begin, if not already begin, which will also involve some dissatisfaction from his superiors or some reasons connected to Father.//

 

Since Jup is in deep sleep now and preparing to visit my 11H. his Natal postion 3rd time, as of writing this message nothing or no news as you mentioned above.. Let me wait and watch...surely i shall be able to provide actual happenings when he starts his Journey to Kumbha..

 

Regards

Chandu2Chill

 

> > <%40>,

 

> > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandu 2 chill ji and Neelam ji,'

> >

> > I do not wish to dwell much on the intracsies of this chart,but the planet

> > which is occupant of any house will be very powerful to represent the

> > significations of that house, and if I am not mistaken Jupiter is placed in

> > the 11th house of his chart and represents the badhaksthana also. So badhas

> > wil be felt all round in the other areas represented too by Jupiter, which

> > is profession in this case.

> >

> > If his chart is right, then he may face a change in his place, maybe a

> > transfer, and some problems in profession are about to begin, if not already

> > begin, which will also involve some dissatisfaction from his superiors or

> > some reasons connected to Father.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > > <%40>,

 

> > " raiaashish " <raiaashish@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandu ji and Neelam ji,

> > > > Please forgive me for my intrusion. I just started learning astrology

> > and very new to this forum. Just reading Chara Dasa book of Shri K.N.Rao ji

> > and Chanduji's details fit like puzzle in his chara dasa theory !!!!

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Aashish

> > > >

> > > > <%40>,

 

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I haven't said agreed or disagreed on anything about your chart. I

> > just gave

> > > > > a plain statement which may be applied after due moderation because

> > of other

> > > > > factors.

> > > > >

> > > > > Could you please list down the factors which, in your opinion, make

> > your

> > > > > Jupiter weak?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in

> > Rahu. Guru

> > > > > > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. **Yes, if

> > weak, it can

> > > > > > get empowered by malefic forces!**//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > > > " CP " <nanna_id2006@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so

> > much for

> > > > > > your response

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when

> > we talk

> > > > > > about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am

> > wrong i.e.

> > > > > > Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do

> > admire

> > > > > > for you that:-) sincerely..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in

> > Rahu.

> > > > > > Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if

> > weak, it

> > > > > > can get empowered by malefic forces!//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i

> > guess now is

> > > > > > the time..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the

> > MALIFICS

> > > > > > that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in

> > the

> > > > > > chart? if they can not ACT..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from

> > Jaimini angle

> > > > > > Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made

> > bungalows

> > > > > > which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> > > > > > > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or

> > wrong!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might

> > be

> > > > > > tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my

> > father

> > > > > > is at fault?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope you get the point.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in

> > Rahu. Guru

> > > > > > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak,

> > it can

> > > > > > get empowered by malefic forces!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your

> > Guru

> > > > > > dasha and try to extract the best from it!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and

> > holistic

> > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable

> > from

> > > > > > one and

> > > > > > > > > all. No doubt about that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective

> > purpose..

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in

> > > > > > begining

> > > > > > > > > itself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Objective:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common

> > folk

> > > > > > with no

> > > > > > > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course

> > when i

> > > > > > didn't

> > > > > > > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even

> > fear/care

> > > > > > God as

> > > > > > > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining

> > of Jup

> > > > > > MD. Here

> > > > > > > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion,

> > keep it

> > > > > > Jup and

> > > > > > > > > Sat only.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Subjective:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most

> > benefic

> > > > > > lordship of

> > > > > > > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another

> > benefic.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make

> > some

> > > > > > positive

> > > > > > > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully). What

> > about

> > > > > > his 12H

> > > > > > > > > lordship?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since

> > you

> > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and

> > what about

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below

> > mail? (You

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake

> > me;-))

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve

> > are

> > > > > > Natural

> > > > > > > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad

> > attributes,

> > > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result

> > be Good

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some

> > other's

> > > > > > > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu

> > MD.

> > > > > > from that

> > > > > > > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand

> > > > > > astrologically

> > > > > > > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by

> > Marrying

> > > > > > did I?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > OR

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe

> > Jup is

> > > > > > bad for

> > > > > > > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am

> > running

> > > > > > Jup MD

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With regards and respect

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative

> > aspect

> > > > > > per se..

> > > > > > > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and

> > > > > > truthfulness

> > > > > > > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am

> > mentioning

> > > > > > *Most of

> > > > > > > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i

> > was made

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa

> > Bhi Hota

> > > > > > hai:-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A

> > great

> > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H

> > through

> > > > > > its MT

> > > > > > > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > > > > > > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun

> > causing

> > > > > > > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period

> > of

> > > > > > turmoil as

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted

> > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and

> > indeed

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > is/was

> > > > > > > > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment

> > happened

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always

> > feel and

> > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta "

> > when i look

> > > > > > at my

> > > > > > > > > Jup.

> > > > > > > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta,

> > conjuct

> > > > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > arch

> > > > > > > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So

> > for

> > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i

> > guess.. Ya

> > > > > > due to

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in

> > some

> > > > > > > > > spiritual,

> > > > > > > > > > > astrology etc subject(s)...just my own observation(s):-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic

> > persuits.....:-)

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc

> > so

> > > > > > soon...:-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in

> > Virgo.//

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have

> > made

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your

> > valuable

> > > > > > insights

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis

> > (Astrologically) you

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > saying

> > > > > > > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how

> > Sat in

> > > > > > Leo

> > > > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point

> > of

> > > > > > view)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun

> > causing

> > > > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as

> > you

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial

> > and final

> > > > > > > > > realignment

> > > > > > > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a

> > great

> > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > > now

> > > > > > > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the

> > > > > > practical

> > > > > > > > > events..

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder

> > prospective with

> > > > > > regard

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as

> > i am

> > > > > > > > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my

> > Passport

> > > > > > EXIT

> > > > > > > > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was

> > > > > > (temporarily)

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news

> > about

> > > > > > my Job

> > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due

> > to other

> > > > > > senior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back

> > to

> > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during

> > this

> > > > > > survival

> > > > > > > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some

> > internal

> > > > > > office

> > > > > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April

> > 2006

> > > > > > Fight

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to

> > SELL my

> > > > > > Gold

> > > > > > > > > finger

> > > > > > > > > > > ring

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my

> > Air

> > > > > > ticket...

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug

> > 2007 this

> > > > > > job

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment

> > in

> > > > > > Dubai. did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with

> > avarage 12%

> > > > > > margin

> > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the

> > expenses...But

> > > > > > By this

> > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due

> > this

> > > > > > frequent

> > > > > > > > > Job

> > > > > > > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine

> > who knew

> > > > > > me and

> > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu

> > Dhabi and

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Mar

> > > > > > > > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy

> > as far

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with

> > > > > > Astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events

> > without the

> > > > > > dates of

> > > > > > > > > > > events?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Your below comments/observations are working in most

> > of the

> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind

> > yourself

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of

> > hardships/breaks/professional

> > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2

> > yrs

> > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun

> > and

> > > > > > Moon)

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have

> > experienced

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my

> > Profession/Career

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:-):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though

> > working

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > UAE.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and

> > practical

> > > > > > events

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E

> > 23' 00 " ,15

> > > > > > N 43'

> > > > > > > > > 00 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects

> > natal

> > > > > > Sun, one

> > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances.*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would

> > depend

> > > > > > upon the

> > > > > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural

> > zodiac, a

> > > > > > 6/8

> > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Anita Ji and Kulbir Ji,

 

Thank you so much for your inputs..

 

Kulbir ji, i read about LalKitab Planets Color Combination(s) long back on the

net.. May i request you to provide all of us the complete List of Planets Color

Combo and the Colors atributed to them?

 

Regards

 

Chandu2Chill

 

 

, Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote:

 

Hello Neelamji and Chandu2chill ji,

I have been keenly observing and following this discussion. Without going into

finer details, I have these points to make regarding  Chandu2 chill jis

upheaval in 2004-2008 .

>  1) He had  rahu-brihaspati sandhi in his life in april 2005 looking at his

horoscope,

> 2) he was going through the guru antardasha in guru dasha during 2005-2008 and

any planet's antardasha during his own MD doesn't give good results,

>  3) Even tho Saturn was aspecting his 10th house, since 10th house is

saturn's house, should we attribute the disturbance in his career to saturn's

influence? WOuld we spoil our own house? Even if people we consider as our

enemies are living in our house? We may not like it but we might harm them,

create problems for them, but not to the extent they will harm our house. 

> 4) in 2005, Jupiter, his 9th and 12th lord  was in his 6th house in transit,

> 5) In 2008 when chandu2chillji over came these problems, Jupiter had moved to

his own house dhanu , chandu2 chilljis 9th bhagya house, rahu had moved to 10th

makara, shani's house, Saturn was in leo where he is rather powerless to do any

harm to anyone, plus he was running Saturn, his 10th and 11th lord's antardasha

in Jupiter MD.

> These are just a few stray thoughts of mine.

> Regards,

> Anita

>

> --- On Sat, 12/12/09, kulbir <kulbirbains wrote:

>

> kulbir <kulbirbains

> Re: Is Malifics always Overpower the

Benefics?

>

> Saturday, 12 December, 2009, 1:14 PM

>

 

>

>

>

Dear Neelam ji and Chandu ji; please pardon this minor intrusion in your

own going discussion;

>

> according to Lalkitab; Mercury is combination of Jupiter and Rahu;

>

> Jupiter represents yellow colour and Rahu represents Blue Colour; Combined

together they form Green Colour represented by Mercury;

>

> so the statement //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over

indulgence in Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it.

**Yes, if weak, it can get empowered by malefic forces!**// seems to be very

logical.

>

>

>

> Regards

>

> Kulbir

>

>

>

> >

>

> > In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " CP " <nanna_id2006@ >

wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Neelam Ji,

>

> > >

>

> > > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so much for

your response

>

> > >

>

> > > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we talk

about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong i.e.

Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do admire for

you that:-) sincerely..

>

> > >

>

> > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru

is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can get

empowered by malefic forces!//

>

> > >

>

> > > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess now is

the time..

>

> > >

>

> > > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the MALIFICS

that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in the chart?

if they can not ACT..

>

> > >

>

> > > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

>

> > >

>

> > > Regards

>

> > >

>

> > > Chandu2Chill

>

> > >

>

> > > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini angle

Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

>

> > >

>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Chandu ji,

>

> > >

>

> > > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made bungalows

which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

>

> > > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or wrong!

>

> > >

>

> > > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be tempted

to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my father is at fault?

>

> > >

>

> > > Hope you get the point.

>

> > >

>

> > > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru

is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can get

empowered by malefic forces!

>

> > >

>

> > > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your Guru

dasha and try to extract the best from it!

>

> > >

>

> > > Regards

>

> > > > Neelam

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and holistic

approach

>

> > > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable from one

and

>

> > > > > all. No doubt about that.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective purpose..

not

>

> > > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in begining

>

> > > > > itself.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Objective:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common folk

with no

>

> > > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course when i

didn't

>

> > > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even fear/care

God as

>

> > > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining of Jup

MD. Here

>

> > > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion, keep it Jup

and

>

> > > > > Sat only.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Subjective:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic

lordship of

>

> > > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.//

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make some

positive

>

> > > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully) . What about

his 12H

>

> > > > > lordship?

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since you

mentioned

>

> > > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and what about

his

>

> > > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below mail? (You

all

>

> > > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake me;-))

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve are

Natural

>

> > > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad attributes,

what is

>

> > > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result be Good

or

>

> > > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some other's

>

> > > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu MD. from

that

>

> > > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand

astrologically

>

> > > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by Marrying

did I?

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > OR

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe Jup is bad

for

>

> > > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am running Jup

MD

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > With regards and respect

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Chandu2Chill

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative aspect per

se..

>

> > > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and

truthfulness

>

> > > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am mentioning

*Most of

>

> > > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i was made to

>

> > > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa Bhi Hota

hai:-)

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_

astrology% 40. com>,

>

> > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A great

benefic

>

> > > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H through

its MT

>

> > > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

>

> > > > > How does he become bad please explain!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Regards

>

> > > > > Neelam

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

>

> > > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period of

turmoil as

>

> > > > > you

>

> > > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted

astrologers

>

> > > > > with my

>

> > > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and indeed it

>

> > > > > is/was

>

> > > > > > > indicated in the chart

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment happened

in

>

> > > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always feel and

remember

>

> > > > > the

>

> > > > > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta " when i look

at my

>

> > > > > Jup.

>

> > > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta, conjuct with

his

>

> > > > > arch

>

> > > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So for

>

> > > > > materialistic

>

> > > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i guess.. Ya due

to

>

> > > > > his

>

> > > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in some

>

> > > > > spiritual,

>

> > > > > > > astrology etc subject(s).. .just my own observation( s):-)

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic persuits.... .:-)

at

>

> > > > > the

>

> > > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc so

soon...:-)

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in Virgo.//

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have made

this

>

> > > > > comment

>

> > > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your valuable

insights

>

> > > > > and

>

> > > > > > > appreciate the same.

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis (Astrologically) you are

>

> > > > > saying

>

> > > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how Sat in Leo

>

> > > > > worked

>

> > > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point of view)

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Regards

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_

astrology% 40. com>

>

> > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

>

> > > > > professional

>

> > > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as you were

>

> > > > > running

>

> > > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final

>

> > > > > realignment

>

> > > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a great

period

>

> > > > > now

>

> > > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Regards

>

> > > > > > > Neelam

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the practical

>

> > > > > events..

>

> > > > > > > I

>

> > > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder prospective with

regard

>

> > > > > to

>

> > > > > > > your

>

> > > > > > > > > thread..

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as i am

>

> > > > > > > re-collecting

>

> > > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my Passport

EXIT

>

> > > > > > > dates:-)

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was

(temporarily)

>

> > > > > in

>

> > > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news about my

Job

>

> > > > > > > > > suddenly..

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due to other

senior

>

> > > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back to

Gemini

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during this

survival

>

> > > > > > > period

>

> > > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some internal office

>

> > > > > politics

>

> > > > > > > etc)

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April 2006

Fight

>

> > > > > with

>

> > > > > > > the

>

> > > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to SELL my Gold

>

> > > > > finger

>

> > > > > > > ring

>

> > > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my Air

ticket...

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug 2007 this

job

>

> > > > > was

>

> > > > > > > also

>

> > > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment in

Dubai. did

>

> > > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with avarage 12%

margin

>

> > > > > which

>

> > > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the expenses...But By

this

>

> > > > > > > time

>

> > > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due this

frequent

>

> > > > > Job

>

> > > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine who knew

me and

>

> > > > > my

>

> > > > > > > all

>

> > > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu Dhabi and

from

>

> > > > > Mar

>

> > > > > > > 2008

>

> > > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy as far as

>

> > > > > career

>

> > > > > > > is

>

> > > > > > > > > concerned.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with Astrological

>

> > > > > > > reasoning as

>

> > > > > > > > > usual..

>

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

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> > > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events without the

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> > > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

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> > > > > > > > > Regards

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> > > > > > > > > Neelam

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> > > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

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> > > > > > > > > Namaste!

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> > > > > > > > > Your below comments/observatio ns are working in most of the

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> > > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

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Dear Respected Group Members,

 

I am following the discussion on Chandu Ji's Chart. When Neelam ji mentioned the "Karm Phal" concept, I thought of analysing the chart using the Mool dasha concept, as it indicates the "root" of events on the basis of past karma.

Please take my effort as a fusion cuisine and savor the taste...this is my attempt to present another angle.

The question Chandu ji asked was.."How is Jupiter's role" and interestingly enough he is running a Jupiter mool dasha right from the begining of 2005.

 

Jupiter has major role here. Chandu ji is running Mool dasha of Jupiter from 10/02/2005 to 10/02/20011.

Please find below the antardasha- pratyantar dashas below:

 

 

19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was> > > > > > (temporarily)> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree : Mars- Sat- Ra

Here the Mars mool dasha was in the last phase. The point I am trying to explore is that Jupiter has given quite a few upheavels right from the begining of mool dasha in 2005. Ra/ Sat/Ven have been saviors at different points during the mool dasha. Now he is running "Sat" antar in "Ju" mool dasha from 22/10/2009 to 2/11/2010. Finally Jupiter dasha will end on 10/02/2011.

 

just next day i got the breaking news> > about> > > > > > my Job: Ju- Ju- Ju> > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly..> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due> > to other> > > > > > senior> > > > > > > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back> > to> > > > > > Gemini: Ju- Ju- Ven > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during> > this> > > > > > survival> > > > >

> > > > > > period: Ju-Ju-Sat> > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some> > internal> > > > > > office> > > > > > > > > politics> > > > > > > > > > > etc)> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006: Ju- Ve- Sat> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job: Ju-Ve-Mer> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa: Ju-Ve-Sa> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April> > 2006 Ju-Ke nearing Rahu antar> > > > > > Fight> > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to> > SELL my> > > >

> > Gold> > > > > > > > > finger> > > > > > > > > > > ring> > > > > > > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my> > Air> > > > > > ticket...> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug> > 2007 this Ju-Ra> > > > > > job> > > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN

Business with ZERO investment> > in> > > > > > Dubai. did> > > > > > > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with> > avarage 12%> > > > > > margin> > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the> > expenses...But Ju-Ra> > > > > > By this> > > > > > > > > > > time> > > > > > > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due> > this> > > > > > frequent> > > > > > > > > Job> > > > > > > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine> > who knew> > > > > > me and> > > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu> > Dhabi and Ju-Ra-Su> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > Mar> > > > > > > > > > > 2008> > > > > > > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy> > as far> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > career> >

> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned.Now you are running Ju-Sa from 22/10/2009 to 2/11/2010.

The inference (and not conclusion) is that Rahu actually saved the boat so did Sat and Venus during otherwise a turbulant Jupiter dasha.

Please take my effort as a fusion cuisine and savor the taste...this is my attempt to present another angle.

 

Best regards

 

Roshan

 

 

 

CP <nanna_id2006 Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 6:06:25 PM Re: Is Malifics always Overpower the Benefics?

Respected Neelam Ji,Thank you for your wonderful insights, observations and valuable hints in fact i was waiting to see someone write that - I just Started Jup-Mer. I knew just b4 and deliberately did not mention:-)But i can see and sense some changes in me and my day to day patterns within couple of days itself when Mercury AD started..... and you are Right along with what Shri Bhaskar Ji has also provided some hints..//Despite AIA being a group which does not allow personal readings, your chart ends up being the most read chart here.:-) Most of the learned members have given their input on your chart. I thought you would collect the earlier information and present it for the benefit of new members!//You are 100% Correct i can sense Neelam ji + Moderator's Danda also speaking here!!..Hahah. I am most previlaged and feel blessed by all learned members out here including Shreenadh Ji, yourself and personally missing Shri

Sunil Nair Ji and his writings since long (Not for my reading mind you:-)).//Now you've just started your Mercury Antar. Focus on 3/6/10/11. All upchayas getting activated. Key to success is 3H - Hardwork, effort and communication. The same would also cause impediments in work as mercury is in 8H from there. Mars, the LL aspects from 9H, who is also the 8L. There is exchange between Sat-Mer which again is sweet and sour both.3H is being fully activated: Jupiter the dashanath aspects 3H, in natal chart and now in transit too, 10L Saturn is in natal 3H and now aspects 3H in transit (DT also on gemini). Mercury with moon in 10H would surely keep your mind over-occupied. Most importantly, you have gemini rising in D10 with Sun and Mars,Now you know enough masala to cook something! And don't forget to serve us!:-)//Since the Ingredients details/advise including what to put where to put, how much to put and where to take

precautions etc is coming from one of the Great and finest Chef (read as Astrologer) i.e. You to a small trainee cook, then i am sure it will be a good and tasty food only at the end of the day:-)RegardsChandu2Chillancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:Dear Chandu2chill ji,//On the contrary i was in anticipation from kind yourself as to How Jup is benefic and strong in my chart?//Despite AIA being a group which does not allow personal readings, your chart ends up being the most read chart here.:-) Most of the learned members have given their input on your chart. I thought you would collect the earlier information and present it for the benefit of new members!Now you've just started your

Mercury Antar. Focus on 3/6/10/11. All upchayas getting activated. Key to success is 3H - Hardwork, effort and communication. The same would also cause impediments in work as mercury is in 8H from there. Mars, the LL aspects from 9H, who is also the 8L. There is exchange between Sat-Mer which again is sweet and sour both.3H is being fully activated: Jupiter the dashanath aspects 3H, in natal chart and now in transit too, 10L Saturn is in natal 3H and now aspects 3H in transit (DT also on gemini). Mercury with moon in 10H would surely keep your mind over-occupied. Most importantly, you have gemini rising in D10 with Sun and Mars,Now you know enough masala to cook something! And don't forget to serve us!:-)RegardsNeelam2009/12/13 CP <nanna_id2006@ ...>Dear Shri Bhaskar Ji,Glad to see and read your valuable comments and observations. Thank you so much..// his chart is right, then he may face

a change in his place, maybe atransfer, and some problems in profession are about to begin, if not already begin, which will also involve some dissatisfaction from his superiors or some reasons connected to Father.//Since Jup is in deep sleep now and preparing to visit my 11H. his Natal postion 3rd time, as of writing this message nothing or no news as you mentioned above.. Let me wait and watch...surely i shall be able to provide actual happenings when he starts his Journey to Kumbha..RegardsChandu2Chill> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Chandu 2 chill ji and Neelam ji,'> >> > I do not

wish to dwell much on the intracsies of this chart,but the planet> > which is occupant of any house will be very powerful to represent the> > significations of that house, and if I am not mistaken Jupiter is placed in> > the 11th house of his chart and represents the badhaksthana also. So badhas> > wil be felt all round in the other areas represented too by Jupiter, which> > is profession in this case.> >> > If his chart is right, then he may face a change in his place, maybe a> > transfer, and some problems in profession are about to begin, if not already> > begin, which will also involve some dissatisfaction from his superiors or> > some reasons connected to Father.> >> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > "raiaashish" <raiaashish@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Chandu ji and Neelam ji,> > > > Please forgive me for my intrusion. I just started learning astrology> > and very new to this forum. Just reading Chara Dasa book of Shri K.N.Rao ji> > and Chanduji's details fit like puzzle in his chara dasa theory !!!!> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Aashish> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > neelam

gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Chandu ji,> > > > >> > > > > I haven't said agreed or disagreed on anything about your chart. I> > just gave> > > > > a plain statement which may be applied after due moderation because> > of other> > > > > factors.> > > > >> > > > > Could you please list down the factors which, in your opinion, make> > your> > > > > Jupiter weak?> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@ >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,>

> > > > >> > > > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in> > Rahu. Guru> > > > > > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. **Yes, if> > weak, it can> > > > > > get empowered by malefic forces!**//> > > > > >> > > > > > In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > "CP" <nanna_id2006@ > wrote:>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so> > much for> > > > > > your response> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when> > we talk> > > > > > about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am> > wrong i.e.> > > > > > Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do> > admire> > > > > > for you that:-) sincerely..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in> > Rahu.> > > > > > Guru is not said

to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if> > weak, it> > > > > > can get empowered by malefic forces!//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i> > guess now is> > > > > > the time..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the> > MALIFICS> > > > > > that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in> > the> > > > > > chart? if they can not ACT..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > Chandu2Chill> > > > > > >> > > > > > > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from> > Jaimini angle> > > > > > Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If my father does not have a

huge bank balance or has not made> > bungalows> > > > > > which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?> > > > > > > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or> > wrong!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might> > be> > > > > > tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my> > father> > > > > > is at fault?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hope you get the point.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in> > Rahu. Guru> > > > > > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak,> > it

can> > > > > > get empowered by malefic forces!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your> > Guru> > > > > > dasha and try to extract the best from it!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@ >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive

and> > holistic> > > > > > approach> > > > > > > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable> > from> > > > > > one and> > > > > > > > > all. No doubt about that.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective> > purpose..> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in> > > > > > begining> > > > > > > > > itself.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > Objective:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common> > folk> > > > > > with no> > > > > > > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course> > when i> > > > > > didn't> > > > > > > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even> > fear/care> > > > > > God as> > > > > > > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining> > of Jup> > > > > > MD. Here> > > > > > > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion,> > keep it> > > > > > Jup and> > > > > > > > >

Sat only.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Subjective:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most> > benefic> > > > > > lordship of> > > > > > > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another> > benefic.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make> > some> > > > > > positive> > > > > > > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully) . What> > about> > > > > > his 12H> > > > > > > > > lordship?> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since> > you> > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and> > what about> > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below> > mail? (You> > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake> > me;-))> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve> > are> > > > > > Natural> > > > > > > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad> >

attributes,> > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result> > be Good> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some> > other's> > > > > > > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu> > MD.> > > > > > from that> > > > > > > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand> > > > > > astrologically> > > > > > > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by> > Marrying> > >

> > > did I?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > OR> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe> > Jup is> > > > > > bad for> > > > > > > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am> > running> > > > > > Jup MD> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > With regards and respect> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill> > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative> > aspect> > > > > > per se..> > > > > > > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and> > > > > > truthfulness> > > > > > > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am> > mentioning> > > > > > *Most of> > > > > > > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i> > was made> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa> > Bhi Hota> > > > > > hai:-)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A> > great> > > > > > benefic> > > > > > > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H> > through> > >

> > > its MT> > > > > > > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.> > > > > > > > > How does he become bad please explain!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@ >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects

Sun> > causing> > > > > > > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period> > of> > > > > > turmoil as> > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted> > > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > > > with my> > > > > > > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and> > indeed> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > is/was> > > > > > > > > > > indicated in the chart> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment> > happened> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always> > feel and> > > > > > remember> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > song "Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta"> > when i look> > > > > > at my> > > > > > > > > Jup.> > > > > > > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta,> > conjuct> > > > > > with

his> > > > > > > > > arch> > > > > > > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So> > for> > > > > > > > > materialistic> > > > > > > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i> > guess.. Ya> > > > > > due to> > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in> > some> > > > > > > > > spiritual,> > > > > > > > > > > astrology etc subject(s).. .just my own observation( s):-)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic> >

persuits.... .:-)> > > > > > at> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc> > so> > > > > > soon...:-)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in> > Virgo.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have> > made> > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > comment> > > > > > > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your> > valuable> > > > > > insights> > > > > >

> > > and> > > > > > > > > > > appreciate the same.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis> > (Astrologically) you> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > saying> > > > > > > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how> > Sat in> > > > > > Leo> > > > > > > > > worked> > > > > > > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point> > of> > > > > > view)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >

Regards> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun> > causing> > > > > > > > > professional> > > > > > > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as> > you> > > > > > were> > > > > > > > > running> > > > > > > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial> > and final> > > > > > > > > realignment> > > > > > > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a> > great> > > > > > period> > > > > >

> > > now> > > > > > > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@ >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not

study the> > > > > > practical> > > > > > > > > events..> > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder> > prospective with> > > > > > regard> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > > > thread..> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as> > i am> > > > > > > > > > > re-collecting> > > > > > > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my> >

Passport> > > > > > EXIT> > > > > > > > > > > dates:-)> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was> > > > > > (temporarily)> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news> > about> > > > > > my Job> > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly..> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due> > to other> > > > > > senior> > > > > > > > > >

> > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back> > to> > > > > > Gemini> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during> > this> > > > > > survival> > > > > > > > > > > period> > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some> > internal> > > > > > office> > > > > > > > > politics> > > > > > > > > > > etc)> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa

Feb-Mar 2006> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April> > 2006> > > > > > Fight> > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > This

time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to> > SELL my> > > > > > Gold> > > > > > > > > finger> > > > > > > > > > > ring> > > > > > > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my> > Air> > > > > > ticket...> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug> > 2007 this> > > > > > job> > > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment> > in> > > > > > Dubai. did> > > > > > > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with> > avarage 12%> > > > > > margin> > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the> > expenses...But> > > > > > By this> > > > > > > > > > > time> > > > > > > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due> > this> > > > > > frequent> > > > > > > > > Job> > > > > > > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal

issues..> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine> > who knew> > > > > > me and> > > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu> > Dhabi and> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > Mar> > > > > > > > > > > 2008> > > > > > > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy> > as far> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > career> > > > > > > > > > > is>

> > > > > > > > > > > > concerned.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with> > > > > > Astrological> > > > > > > > > > > reasoning as> > > > > > > > > > > > > usual..> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,> > > > > > > > > > > > > How will we do

astro-study of practical events> > without the> > > > > > dates of> > > > > > > > > > > events?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@ >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Neelam

Ji and Esteemed List,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste!> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Your below comments/observatio ns are working in most> > of the> > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind> > yourself> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of> > hardships/breaks/ professional> > > > > > loss> > > > > > > > > when> > > > > > > > > > > Tr> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2> > yrs> > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > were> > > > > > > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun> > and> > > > > > Moon)> > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > >

that> > > > > > > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have> > experienced> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > still> > > > > > > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my> > Profession/Career> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:- ):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though> > working> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > UAE.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and> > practical> > > > > > events> > > > > > > >

> for> > > > > > > > > > > Astro> > > > > > > > > > > > > Study...> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E> > 23' 00",15> > > > > > N 43'> > > > > > > > > 00"> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects> > natal> > > > > > Sun, one> > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances. *> > > > > > > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would> > depend> > > > > > upon the> > > > > > > > > > > natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural> > zodiac, a> > > > > > 6/8> > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Anitaji,

 

// and any planet's Antardasha

during his own MD doesn't give good results//

 

Did you mean ‘does not give full results’ or did you really mean the

result will not be good as in negative? Because if latter, it will be news to

me.

 

// Even tho Saturn was aspecting his 10th house, since 10th house is

saturn's house, should we attribute the disturbance in his career to saturn's

influence?//

 

Your doubt is valid. A planet aspect its own house will strengthen its

own house, other things not influencing.

 

Regards

 

Santhosh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Anita R

Sunday, December 13, 2009

11:12 AM

To:

 

Re:

Re: Is Malifics always Overpower the Benefics?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello Neelamji and Chandu2chill ji,

I have been keenly observing and following this discussion. Without going

into finer details, I have these points to make regarding Chandu2 chill

jis upheaval in 2004-2008 .

1) He had rahu-brihaspati sandhi in his life in april 2005

looking at his horoscope,

2) he was going through the guru antardasha in guru dasha during 2005-2008

and any planet's antardasha during his own MD doesn't give good results,

3) Even tho Saturn was aspecting his 10th house, since 10th house is

saturn's house, should we attribute the disturbance in his career to saturn's

influence? WOuld we spoil our own house? Even if people we consider as our

enemies are living in our house? We may not like it but we might harm them,

create problems for them, but not to the extent they will harm our

house.

4) in 2005, Jupiter, his 9th and 12th lord was in his 6th house in

transit,

5) In 2008 when chandu2chillji over came these problems, Jupiter had moved to

his own house dhanu , chandu2 chilljis 9th bhagya house, rahu had moved to

10th makara, shani's house, Saturn was in leo where he is rather powerless to

do any harm to anyone, plus he was running Saturn, his 10th and 11th lord's

antardasha in Jupiter MD.

These are just a few stray thoughts of mine.

Regards,

Anita

 

--- On Sat, 12/12/09, kulbir <kulbirbains (AT) in (DOT) com>

wrote:

 

kulbir <kulbirbains (AT) in (DOT) com>

Re: Is Malifics always Overpower the

Benefics?

 

Saturday, 12 December, 2009, 1:14 PM

 

 

Dear Neelam ji and Chandu ji; please pardon this

minor intrusion in your own going discussion;

according to Lalkitab; Mercury is combination of Jupiter and Rahu;

Jupiter represents yellow colour and Rahu represents Blue Colour; Combined

together they form Green Colour represented by Mercury;

so the statement //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence

in Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. **Yes, if

weak, it can get empowered by malefic forces!**// seems to be very logical.

 

Regards

Kulbir

 

>

> In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

>

>

> ancient_indian_

astrology, " CP " <nanna_id2006@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Neelam Ji,

> >

> > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so

much for your response

> >

> > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we

talk about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong

i.e. Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do

admire for you that:-) sincerely..

> >

> > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in

Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak,

it can get empowered by malefic forces!//

> >

> > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess

now is the time..

> >

> > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the

MALIFICS that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in

the chart? if they can not ACT..

> >

> > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Chandu2Chill

> >

> > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini

angle Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

> >

> > ancient_indian_

astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandu ji,

> >

> > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made

bungalows which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or

wrong!

> >

> > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be

tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my father is

at fault?

> >

> > Hope you get the point.

> >

> > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu.

Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it

can get empowered by malefic forces!

> >

> > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your

Guru dasha and try to extract the best from it!

> >

> > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > >

> > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and

holistic approach

> > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is

loudable from one and

> > > > all. No doubt about that.

> > > >

> > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and

Subjective purpose.. not

> > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it

clear in begining

> > > > itself.

> > > >

> > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > > >

> > > > Objective:

> > > >

> > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of

common folk with no

> > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course

when i didn't

> > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't

even fear/care God as

> > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the

begining of Jup MD. Here

> > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of

discussion, keep it Jup and

> > > > Sat only.

> > > >

> > > > Subjective:

> > > >

> > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most

benefic lordship of

> > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another

benefic.//

> > > >

> > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to

make some positive

> > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully) .

What about his 12H

> > > > lordship?

> > > >

> > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with

(since you mentioned

> > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this)

and what about his

> > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below

mail? (You all

> > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake

me;-))

> > > >

> > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and

Ve are Natural

> > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad

attributes, what is

> > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the

result be Good or

> > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > > >

> > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some

other's

> > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in

Rahu MD. from that

> > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to

understand astrologically

> > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin

by Marrying did I?

> > > >

> > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly

explain..

> > > >

> > > > OR

> > > >

> > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to

believe Jup is bad for

> > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i

am running Jup MD

> > > >

> > > > With regards and respect

> > > >

> > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > >

> > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in

negative aspect per se..

> > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity

and truthfulness

> > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am

mentioning *Most of

> > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes

i was made to

> > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai

Aisa Bhi Hota hai:-)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_

astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40.

com>,

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > >

> > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for

you? A great benefic

> > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of

9H through its MT

> > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer

aspects Sun causing

> > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was

a period of turmoil as

> > > > you

> > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and

consulted astrologers

> > > > with my

> > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory*

only...:-) and indeed it

> > > > is/was

> > > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final

realignment happened in

> > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i

always feel and remember

> > > > the

> > > > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach

nai sakta " when i look at my

> > > > Jup.

> > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in

MrutAvasta, conjuct with his

> > > > arch

> > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka

Stana. So for

> > > > materialistic

> > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be

helpful i guess.. Ya due to

> > > > his

> > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may

throw me in some

> > > > spiritual,

> > > > > > astrology etc subject(s).. .just my own

observation( s):-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my

materialistic persuits.... .:-) at

> > > > the

> > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality

etc etc so soon...:-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with

Saturn in Virgo.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am

sure you have made this

> > > > comment

> > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much

for your valuable insights

> > > > and

> > > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis

(Astrologically) you are

> > > > saying

> > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why

and how Sat in Leo

> > > > worked

> > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's

transit point of view)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40.

com>

> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > >

> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer

aspects Sun causing

> > > > professional

> > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of

turmoil as you were

> > > > running

> > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove

beneficial and final

> > > > realignment

> > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are

headed for a great period

> > > > now

> > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we

can not study the practical

> > > > events..

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from

broder prospective with regard

> > > > to

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari

btwn 3-4 days as i am

> > > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual

dates from my Passport EXIT

> > > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage

date Tr SatR was (temporarily)

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got

the breaking news about my Job

> > > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb

2005. But due to other senior

> > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when

Tr Sat moved back to Gemini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug

2005 (Note during this survival

> > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very

stressful some internal office

> > > > politics

> > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No

Job

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on

Visit Visa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa

worked till April 2006 Fight

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i

had to SELL my Gold

> > > > finger

> > > > > > ring

> > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on

it to book my Air ticket...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug

2007 this job

> > > > was

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with

ZERO investment in Dubai.

did

> > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that

period with avarage 12% margin

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and

cover the expenses...But By this

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and

emotionally due this frequent

> > > > Job

> > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal

issues..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior

friend of mine who knew me and

> > > > my

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in

his Co in Abu Dhabi

and from

> > > > Mar

> > > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!!

and i am happy as far as

> > > > career

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your

Feedback with Astrological

> > > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40.

com>

> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40.

com>,

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ >

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of

practical events without the dates of

> > > > > > events?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant

details.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed

List,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your below comments/observatio ns are

working in most of the charts

> > > > that

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few

considering kind yourself and

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of

hardships/breaks/ professional loss

> > > > when

> > > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2

yrs there

> > > > were

> > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of

professional hardships...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO

(my 8H from Sun and Moon)

> > > > from

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in

Leo, I have experienced and

> > > > still

> > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my

Profession/Career

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:- ):-)

Chandu??:-) now?? though working in

> > > > UAE.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a

feedback and practical events

> > > > for

> > > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB:

Nargund 75 E 23' 00 " ,15 N 43'

> > > > 00 "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40.

com>

> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40.

com>

> > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology%

40. com>,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ >

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal

Sun or aspects natal Sun, one

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances.

*

> > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good

or bad, would depend upon the

> > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L

of the natural zodiac, a 6/8

> > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views

with examples.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Dear Roshan Ji,

 

Sorry i did not notice and read it properly when i just looked in hurry

yesterday!!..

 

I appreciate your effort and delienating the chart and events thru Moola Dasa..

it's really educative and helpful for me. Thank you so much.

 

Regards

 

Chandu2Chill

 

 

, rossin ucile <kandisa_ur

wrote:

 

Dear Respected Group Members,

 

I am following the discussion on Chandu Ji's Chart. When Neelam ji mentioned the

" Karm Phal " concept, I thought of analysing the chart using the Mool dasha

concept, as it indicates the " root " of events on the basis of past karma.

 

Please take my effort as a fusion cuisine and savor the taste...this is my

attempt to present another angle.

The question Chandu ji asked was.. " How is Jupiter's role " and interestingly

enough he is running a Jupiter mool dasha right from the begining of 2005.

 

Jupiter has major role here. Chandu ji is running Mool dasha of Jupiter from

10/02/2005 to 10/02/20011.

Please find below the antardasha- pratyantar dashas below:

 

19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was

(temporarily)inCancer 2'degree : Mars- Sat- Ra

 

Here the Mars mool dasha was in the last phase. The point I am trying to explore

is that Jupiter has given quite a few upheavels right from the begining of mool

dasha in 2005. Ra/ Sat/Ven have been saviors at different points during the mool

dasha. Now he is running  " Sat " antar in " Ju " mool dasha from 22/10/2009 to

2/11/2010. Finally Jupiter dasha will end on 10/02/2011. 

 

just next day i got the breaking news about my Job: Ju- Ju- Ju

suddenly..Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due

to other senior manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back

to Gemini: Ju- Ju- Ven

 

Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during this survival

 

period: Ju-Ju-Sat

e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some

internal office politicsetc)

 

New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006: Ju- Ve- Sat

 

Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job: Ju-Ve-Mer

 

June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa: Ju-Ve-Sa

 

Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April

2006 Ju-Ke nearing Rahu antar Fight with the employer (since he cheated me)

This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to SELL my Gold finger

ring with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my Air ticket...

 

Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug 2007 this Ju-Ra

job was also temp and lasted till Nov 2007

Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment in Dubai. did

Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with avarage 12% margin

which enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the expenses...But

 

Ju-Ra

By this time exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due this

frequent Job problems coupled with personal issues..Then just after Mar 2008

very senior friend of mine who knew me and my all

these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu Dhabi and

 

Ju-Ra-Su

from Mar 2008 till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy

as far as career is concerned.

 

Now you are running Ju-Sa from 22/10/2009 to 2/11/2010.

 

The inference (and not conclusion) is that Rahu actually saved the boat so did

Sat and Venus during otherwise a turbulant Jupiter dasha.

 

 

> ________________________________

> CP <nanna_id2006

>

> Sun, December 13, 2009 6:06:25 PM

> Re: Is Malifics always Overpower the

Benefics?

>

>  

> Respected Neelam Ji,

>

> Thank you for your wonderful insights, observations and valuable hints in fact

i was waiting to see someone write that - I just Started Jup-Mer. I knew just b4

and deliberately did not mention:-)

>

> But i can see and sense some changes in me and my day to day patterns within

couple of days itself when Mercury AD started..... and you are Right along with

what Shri Bhaskar Ji has also provided some hints..

>

> //Despite AIA being a group which does not allow personal readings, your chart

ends up being the most read chart here.:-) Most of the learned members have

given their input on your chart. I thought you would collect the earlier

information and present it for the benefit of new members!//

>

> You are 100% Correct i can sense Neelam ji + Moderator's Danda also speaking

here!!..Hahah. I am most previlaged and feel blessed by all learned members out

here including Shreenadh Ji, yourself and personally missing Shri Sunil Nair Ji

and his writings since long (Not for my reading mind you:-)).

>

> //Now you've just started your Mercury Antar. Focus on 3/6/10/11. All upchayas

getting activated. Key to success is 3H - Hardwork, effort and communication.

The same would also cause impediments in work as mercury is in 8H from there.

Mars, the LL aspects from 9H, who is also the 8L. There is exchange between

Sat-Mer which again is sweet and sour both.

>

> 3H is being fully activated: Jupiter the dashanath aspects 3H, in natal chart

and now in transit too, 10L Saturn is in natal 3H and now aspects 3H in transit

(DT also on gemini). Mercury with moon in 10H would surely keep your mind

over-occupied. Most importantly, you have gemini rising in D10 with Sun and

Mars,

>

> Now you know enough masala to cook something! And don't forget to serve

us!:-)//

>

> Since the Ingredients details/advise including what to put where to put, how

much to put and where to take precautions etc is coming from one of the Great

and finest Chef (read as Astrologer) i.e. You to a small trainee cook, then i am

sure it will be a good and tasty food only at the end of the day:-)

>

> Regards

>

> Chandu2Chill

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Chandu2chill ji,

>

> //On the contrary i was in anticipation from kind yourself as to How Jup is

benefic and strong in my chart?//

>

> Despite AIA being a group which does not allow personal readings, your chart

ends up being the most read chart here.:-) Most of the learned members have

given their input on your chart. I thought you would collect the earlier

information and present it for the benefit of new members!

>

> Now you've just started your Mercury Antar. Focus on 3/6/10/11. All upchayas

getting activated. Key to success is 3H - Hardwork, effort and communication.

The same would also cause impediments in work as mercury is in 8H from there.

Mars, the LL aspects from 9H, who is also the 8L. There is exchange between

Sat-Mer which again is sweet and sour both.

>

> 3H is being fully activated: Jupiter the dashanath aspects 3H, in natal chart

and now in transit too, 10L Saturn is in natal 3H and now aspects 3H in transit

(DT also on gemini). Mercury with moon in 10H would surely keep your mind

over-occupied. Most importantly, you have gemini rising in D10 with Sun and

Mars,

>

> Now you know enough masala to cook something! And don't forget to serve us!:-)

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> 2009/12/13 CP <nanna_id2006@ ...>

>

> Dear Shri Bhaskar Ji,

>

> Glad to see and read your valuable comments and observations. Thank you so

much..

>

> // his chart is right, then he may face a change in his place, maybe a

> transfer, and some problems in profession are about to begin, if not already

begin, which will also involve some dissatisfaction from his superiors or some

reasons connected to Father.//

>

> Since Jup is in deep sleep now and preparing to visit my 11H. his Natal

postion 3rd time, as of writing this message nothing or no news as you mentioned

above.. Let me wait and watch...surely i shall be able to provide actual

happenings when he starts his Journey to Kumbha..

>

> Regards

> Chandu2Chill

>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_

astrology% 40. com>,

> > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandu 2 chill ji and Neelam ji,'

> > >

> > > I do not wish to dwell much on the intracsies of this chart,but the planet

> > > which is occupant of any house will be very powerful to represent the

> > > significations of that house, and if I am not mistaken Jupiter is placed

in

> > > the 11th house of his chart and represents the badhaksthana also. So

badhas

> > > wil be felt all round in the other areas represented too by Jupiter, which

> > > is profession in this case.

> > >

> > > If his chart is right, then he may face a change in his place, maybe a

> > > transfer, and some problems in profession are about to begin, if not

already

> > > begin, which will also involve some dissatisfaction from his superiors or

> > > some reasons connected to Father.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_

astrology% 40. com>,

> > > " raiaashish " <raiaashish@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandu ji and Neelam ji,

> > > > > Please forgive me for my intrusion. I just started learning astrology

> > > and very new to this forum. Just reading Chara Dasa book of Shri K.N.Rao

ji

> > > and Chanduji's details fit like puzzle in his chara dasa theory !!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Aashish

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_

astrology% 40. com>,

> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I haven't said agreed or disagreed on anything about your chart. I

> > > just gave

> > > > > > a plain statement which may be applied after due moderation because

> > > of other

> > > > > > factors.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Could you please list down the factors which, in your opinion, make

> > > your

> > > > > > Jupiter weak?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in

> > > Rahu. Guru

> > > > > > > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. **Yes, if

> > > weak, it can

> > > > > > > get empowered by malefic forces!**//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_

astrology% 40. com>

> > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > > " CP " <nanna_id2006@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so

> > > much for

> > > > > > > your response

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when

> > > we talk

> > > > > > > about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am

> > > wrong i.e.

> > > > > > > Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do

> > > admire

> > > > > > > for you that:-) sincerely..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in

> > > Rahu.

> > > > > > > Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if

> > > weak, it

> > > > > > > can get empowered by malefic forces!//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i

> > > guess now is

> > > > > > > the time..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the

> > > MALIFICS

> > > > > > > that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there

in

> > > the

> > > > > > > chart? if they can not ACT..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from

> > > Jaimini angle

> > > > > > > Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made

> > > bungalows

> > > > > > > which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> > > > > > > > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or

> > > wrong!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might

> > > be

> > > > > > > tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean

my

> > > father

> > > > > > > is at fault?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope you get the point.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in

> > > Rahu. Guru

> > > > > > > is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak,

> > > it can

> > > > > > > get empowered by malefic forces!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about

your

> > > Guru

> > > > > > > dasha and try to extract the best from it!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and

> > > holistic

> > > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is

loudable

> > > from

> > > > > > > one and

> > > > > > > > > > all. No doubt about that.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective

> > > purpose..

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear

in

> > > > > > > begining

> > > > > > > > > > itself.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Objective:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of

common

> > > folk

> > > > > > > with no

> > > > > > > > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course

> > > when i

> > > > > > > didn't

> > > > > > > > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even

> > > fear/care

> > > > > > > God as

> > > > > > > > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining

> > > of Jup

> > > > > > > MD. Here

> > > > > > > > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion,

> > > keep it

> > > > > > > Jup and

> > > > > > > > > > Sat only.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Subjective:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most

> > > benefic

> > > > > > > lordship of

> > > > > > > > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another

> > > benefic.//

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to

make

> > > some

> > > > > > > positive

> > > > > > > > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully) .

What

> > > about

> > > > > > > his 12H

> > > > > > > > > > lordship?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with

(since

> > > you

> > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and

> > > what about

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below

> > > mail? (You

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake

> > > me;-))

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve

> > > are

> > > > > > > Natural

> > > > > > > > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad

> > > attributes,

> > > > > > > what is

> > > > > > > > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result

> > > be Good

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some

> > > other's

> > > > > > > > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in

Rahu

> > > MD.

> > > > > > > from that

> > > > > > > > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand

> > > > > > > astrologically

> > > > > > > > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by

> > > Marrying

> > > > > > > did I?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > OR

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe

> > > Jup is

> > > > > > > bad for

> > > > > > > > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am

> > > running

> > > > > > > Jup MD

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With regards and respect

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative

> > > aspect

> > > > > > > per se..

> > > > > > > > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity

and

> > > > > > > truthfulness

> > > > > > > > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am

> > > mentioning

> > > > > > > *Most of

> > > > > > > > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i

> > > was made

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa

> > > Bhi Hota

> > > > > > > hai:-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

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> > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A

> > > great

> > > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H

> > > through

> > > > > > > its MT

> > > > > > > > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > > > > > > > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun

> > > causing

> > > > > > > > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period

> > > of

> > > > > > > turmoil as

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted

> > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and

> > > indeed

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > is/was

> > > > > > > > > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment

> > > happened

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always

> > > feel and

> > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta "

> > > when i look

> > > > > > > at my

> > > > > > > > > > Jup.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta,

> > > conjuct

> > > > > > > with his

> > > > > > > > > > arch

> > > > > > > > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana.

So

> > > for

> > > > > > > > > > materialistic

> > > > > > > > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i

> > > guess.. Ya

> > > > > > > due to

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in

> > > some

> > > > > > > > > > spiritual,

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrology etc subject(s).. .just my own observation(

s):-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic

> > > persuits.... .:-)

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc

> > > so

> > > > > > > soon...:-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in

> > > Virgo.//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you

have

> > > made

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your

> > > valuable

> > > > > > > insights

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis

> > > (Astrologically) you

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > saying

> > > > > > > > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how

> > > Sat in

> > > > > > > Leo

> > > > > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit

point

> > > of

> > > > > > > view)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

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> > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun

> > > causing

> > > > > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil

as

> > > you

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial

> > > and final

> > > > > > > > > > realignment

> > > > > > > > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a

> > > great

> > > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > > > now

> > > > > > > > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the

> > > > > > > practical

> > > > > > > > > > events..

> > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder

> > > prospective with

> > > > > > > regard

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days

as

> > > i am

> > > > > > > > > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my

> > > Passport

> > > > > > > EXIT

> > > > > > > > > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was

> > > > > > > (temporarily)

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking

news

> > > about

> > > > > > > my Job

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due

> > > to other

> > > > > > > senior

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved

back

> > > to

> > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during

> > > this

> > > > > > > survival

> > > > > > > > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some

> > > internal

> > > > > > > office

> > > > > > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till

April

> > > 2006

> > > > > > > Fight

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to

> > > SELL my

> > > > > > > Gold

> > > > > > > > > > finger

> > > > > > > > > > > > ring

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my

> > > Air

> > > > > > > ticket...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug

> > > 2007 this

> > > > > > > job

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO

investment

> > > in

> > > > > > > Dubai. did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with

> > > avarage 12%

> > > > > > > margin

> > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the

> > > expenses...But

> > > > > > > By this

> > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due

> > > this

> > > > > > > frequent

> > > > > > > > > > Job

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine

> > > who knew

> > > > > > > me and

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu

> > > Dhabi and

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Mar

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy

> > > as far

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with

> > > > > > > Astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

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> > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events

> > > without the

> > > > > > > dates of

> > > > > > > > > > > > events?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your below comments/observatio ns are working in

most

> > > of the

> > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind

> > > yourself

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of

> > > hardships/breaks/ professional

> > > > > > > loss

> > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost

2

> > > yrs

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional

hardships...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from

Sun

> > > and

> > > > > > > Moon)

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have

> > > experienced

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my

> > > Profession/Career

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:- ):-) Chandu??:-) now??

though

> > > working

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > UAE.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and

> > > practical

> > > > > > > events

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E

> > > 23' 00 " ,15

> > > > > > > N 43'

> > > > > > > > > > 00 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

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> > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

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> > > > > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects

> > > natal

> > > > > > > Sun, one

> > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances. *

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would

> > > depend

> > > > > > > upon the

> > > > > > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural

> > > zodiac, a

> > > > > > > 6/8

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

> Please take my effort as a fusion cuisine and savor the taste...this is my

attempt to present another angle.

>

> Best regards

>

> Roshan

>

[Guest guest]

Sir,

The colours ascribed to different planets according to lalkitab is as follows;

1.Jupiter - Yellow; right from luster of Gold to " Zard " colour of fear in eyes

of deer on seeing a tiger.

2. Sun - Copper hue.

3. Moon - White- pure; with no shade of blue.

4. Venus - White - with a little shade of blue.

5. Mars - !) Nek, Benefic = Dull Red. !!) Badh, Malefic = Shining Red.

6. Mercury - Green. generally Parrot Colour.

7. Saturn - Syah - Black;

8. Rahu - Blue - Colour of sky and the Sea.

9. Ketu - Chitkabra; Black and White. e.g. chess board.

 

Regards

Kulbir.

6.

 

, " CP " <nanna_id2006 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Anita Ji and Kulbir Ji,

>

> Thank you so much for your inputs..

>

> Kulbir ji, i read about LalKitab Planets Color Combination(s) long back on the

net.. May i request you to provide all of us the complete List of Planets Color

Combo and the Colors atributed to them?

>

> Regards

>

> Chandu2Chill

>

>

> , Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote:

>

> Hello Neelamji and Chandu2chill ji,

> I have been keenly observing and following this discussion. Without going into

finer details, I have these points to make regarding  Chandu2 chill jis

upheaval in 2004-2008 .

> >  1) He had  rahu-brihaspati sandhi in his life in april 2005 looking at

his horoscope,

> > 2) he was going through the guru antardasha in guru dasha during 2005-2008

and any planet's antardasha during his own MD doesn't give good results,

> >  3) Even tho Saturn was aspecting his 10th house, since 10th house is

saturn's house, should we attribute the disturbance in his career to saturn's

influence? WOuld we spoil our own house? Even if people we consider as our

enemies are living in our house? We may not like it but we might harm them,

create problems for them, but not to the extent they will harm our house. 

> > 4) in 2005, Jupiter, his 9th and 12th lord  was in his 6th house in

transit,

> > 5) In 2008 when chandu2chillji over came these problems, Jupiter had moved

to his own house dhanu , chandu2 chilljis 9th bhagya house, rahu had moved to

10th makara, shani's house, Saturn was in leo where he is rather powerless to do

any harm to anyone, plus he was running Saturn, his 10th and 11th lord's

antardasha in Jupiter MD.

> > These are just a few stray thoughts of mine.

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, kulbir <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> >

> > kulbir <kulbirbains@>

> > Re: Is Malifics always Overpower the

Benefics?

> >

> > Saturday, 12 December, 2009, 1:14 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Neelam ji and Chandu ji; please pardon this minor intrusion in

your own going discussion;

> >

> > according to Lalkitab; Mercury is combination of Jupiter and Rahu;

> >

> > Jupiter represents yellow colour and Rahu represents Blue Colour; Combined

together they form Green Colour represented by Mercury;

> >

> > so the statement //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over

indulgence in Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it.

**Yes, if weak, it can get empowered by malefic forces!**// seems to be very

logical.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Kulbir

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " CP " <nanna_id2006@ >

wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so much for

your response

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we talk

about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong i.e.

Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do admire for

you that:-) sincerely..

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu.

Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can

get empowered by malefic forces!//

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess now

is the time..

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the MALIFICS

that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in the chart?

if they can not ACT..

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Regards

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Chandu2Chill

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini angle

Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made bungalows

which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> >

> > > > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or wrong!

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be

tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my father is at

fault?

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Hope you get the point.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu. Guru

is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it can get

empowered by malefic forces!

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your Guru

dasha and try to extract the best from it!

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Regards

> >

> > > > > Neelam

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and holistic

approach

> >

> > > > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is loudable from

one and

> >

> > > > > > all. No doubt about that.

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and Subjective

purpose.. not

> >

> > > > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it clear in

begining

> >

> > > > > > itself.

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Objective:

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of common folk

with no

> >

> > > > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course when i

didn't

> >

> > > > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't even fear/care

God as

> >

> > > > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the begining of Jup

MD. Here

> >

> > > > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of discussion, keep it

Jup and

> >

> > > > > > Sat only.

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Subjective:

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic

lordship of

> >

> > > > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.//

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to make some

positive

> >

> > > > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully) . What about

his 12H

> >

> > > > > > lordship?

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with (since you

mentioned

> >

> > > > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this) and what

about his

> >

> > > > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below mail? (You

all

> >

> > > > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake me;-))

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and Ve are

Natural

> >

> > > > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad attributes,

what is

> >

> > > > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the result be Good

or

> >

> > > > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some other's

> >

> > > > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in Rahu MD.

from that

> >

> > > > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to understand

astrologically

> >

> > > > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin by

Marrying did I?

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly explain..

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > OR

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to believe Jup is

bad for

> >

> > > > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i am running

Jup MD

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > With regards and respect

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in negative aspect

per se..

> >

> > > > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity and

truthfulness

> >

> > > > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am mentioning

*Most of

> >

> > > > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes i was made

to

> >

> > > > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai Aisa Bhi Hota

hai:-)

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_

astrology% 40. com>,

> >

> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for you? A great

benefic

> >

> > > > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of 9H through

its MT

> >

> > > > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> >

> > > > > > How does he become bad please explain!

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Regards

> >

> > > > > > Neelam

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> >

> > > > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was a period of

turmoil as

> >

> > > > > > you

> >

> > > > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and consulted

astrologers

> >

> > > > > > with my

> >

> > > > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory* only...:-) and indeed

it

> >

> > > > > > is/was

> >

> > > > > > > > indicated in the chart

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final realignment happened

in

> >

> > > > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i always feel and

remember

> >

> > > > > > the

> >

> > > > > > > > song " Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach nai sakta " when i

look at my

> >

> > > > > > Jup.

> >

> > > > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in MrutAvasta, conjuct

with his

> >

> > > > > > arch

> >

> > > > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka Stana. So for

> >

> > > > > > materialistic

> >

> > > > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be helpful i guess.. Ya

due to

> >

> > > > > > his

> >

> > > > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may throw me in some

> >

> > > > > > spiritual,

> >

> > > > > > > > astrology etc subject(s).. .just my own observation( s):-)

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my materialistic persuits....

..:-) at

> >

> > > > > > the

> >

> > > > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality etc etc so

soon...:-)

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with Saturn in Virgo.//

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am sure you have made

this

> >

> > > > > > comment

> >

> > > > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much for your valuable

insights

> >

> > > > > > and

> >

> > > > > > > > appreciate the same.

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis (Astrologically) you

are

> >

> > > > > > saying

> >

> > > > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why and how Sat in

Leo

> >

> > > > > > worked

> >

> > > > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's transit point of

view)

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> >

> > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer aspects Sun causing

> >

> > > > > > professional

> >

> > > > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of turmoil as you

were

> >

> > > > > > running

> >

> > > > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final

> >

> > > > > > realignment

> >

> > > > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are headed for a great

period

> >

> > > > > > now

> >

> > > > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> >

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we can not study the

practical

> >

> > > > > > events..

> >

> > > > > > > > I

> >

> > > > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from broder prospective with

regard

> >

> > > > > > to

> >

> > > > > > > > your

> >

> > > > > > > > > > thread..

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari btwn 3-4 days as i am

> >

> > > > > > > > re-collecting

> >

> > > > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual dates from my Passport

EXIT

> >

> > > > > > > > dates:-)

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage date Tr SatR was

(temporarily)

> >

> > > > > > in

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got the breaking news about

my Job

> >

> > > > > > > > > > suddenly..

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb 2005. But due to other

senior

> >

> > > > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when Tr Sat moved back to

Gemini

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug 2005 (Note during this

survival

> >

> > > > > > > > period

> >

> > > > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very stressful some internal

office

> >

> > > > > > politics

> >

> > > > > > > > etc)

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No Job

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on Visit Visa

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa worked till April 2006

Fight

> >

> > > > > > with

> >

> > > > > > > > the

> >

> > > > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i had to SELL my

Gold

> >

> > > > > > finger

> >

> > > > > > > > ring

> >

> > > > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on it to book my Air

ticket...

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug 2007

this job

> >

> > > > > > was

> >

> > > > > > > > also

> >

> > > > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with ZERO investment in

Dubai. did

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that period with avarage 12%

margin

> >

> > > > > > which

> >

> > > > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and cover the expenses...But

By this

> >

> > > > > > > > time

> >

> > > > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally due this

frequent

> >

> > > > > > Job

> >

> > > > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal issues..

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior friend of mine who knew

me and

> >

> > > > > > my

> >

> > > > > > > > all

> >

> > > > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in his Co in Abu Dhabi and

from

> >

> > > > > > Mar

> >

> > > > > > > > 2008

> >

> > > > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!! and i am happy as far

as

> >

> > > > > > career

> >

> > > > > > > > is

> >

> > > > > > > > > > concerned.

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your Feedback with

Astrological

> >

> > > > > > > > reasoning as

> >

> > > > > > > > > > usual..

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

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> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

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> >

> > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> >

> > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> >

> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> >

> > > > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of practical events without the

dates of

> >

> > > > > > > > events?

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant details.

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed List,

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste!

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Your below comments/observatio ns are working in most of the

charts

> >

> > > > > > that

> >

> > > > > > > > i

> >

> > > > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few considering kind yourself

and

> >

> > > > > > many

> >

> > > > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of hardships/breaks/ professional

loss

> >

> > > > > > when

> >

> > > > > > > > Tr

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2 yrs

there

> >

> > > > > > were

> >

> > > > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of professional hardships...

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO (my 8H from Sun and

Moon)

> >

> > > > > > from

> >

> > > > > > > > that

> >

> > > > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in Leo, I have experienced

and

> >

> > > > > > still

> >

> > > > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my Profession/Career

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:- ):-) Chandu??:-) now?? though

working in

> >

> > > > > > UAE.

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a feedback and practical

events

> >

> > > > > > for

> >

> > > > > > > > Astro

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Study...

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB: Nargund 75 E 23'

00 " ,15 N 43'

> >

> > > > > > 00 "

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> >

> > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> >

> > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

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> >

> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal Sun or aspects natal

Sun, one

> >

> > > > > > > > would

> >

> > > > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances. *

> >

> > > > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good or bad, would depend

upon the

> >

> > > > > > > > natal

> >

> > > > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L of the natural zodiac, a

6/8

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> > > > > > > > > > relationship.

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views with examples.

> >

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> >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

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> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

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> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Santhosh ji,My aunt who was a very good astrologer used to always say that. She is no more. But I will try to get in touch with one of the people whom she used to consult and get back to you.Regards,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Santhosh <santhosh wrote:Santhosh <santhoshRE: Re: Is Malifics always Overpower the Benefics? Date: Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:47 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Anitaji, // and any planet's Antardasha

during his own MD doesn't give good results// Did you mean ‘does not give full results’ or did you really mean the

result will not be good as in negative? Because if latter, it will be news to

me. // Even tho Saturn was aspecting his 10th house, since 10th house is

saturn's house, should we attribute the disturbance in his career to saturn's

influence?// Your doubt is valid. A planet aspect its own house will strengthen its

own house, other things not influencing. Regards Santhosh

 

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology

[ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Anita R

Sunday, December 13, 2009

11:12 AM

To:

ancient_indian_ astrology

Re:

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Is Malifics always Overpower the Benefics?

 

 

 

 

 

Hello Neelamji and Chandu2chill ji,

I have been keenly observing and following this discussion. Without going

into finer details, I have these points to make regarding Chandu2 chill

jis upheaval in 2004-2008 .

1) He had rahu-brihaspati sandhi in his life in april 2005

looking at his horoscope,

2) he was going through the guru antardasha in guru dasha during 2005-2008

and any planet's antardasha during his own MD doesn't give good results,

3) Even tho Saturn was aspecting his 10th house, since 10th house is

saturn's house, should we attribute the disturbance in his career to saturn's

influence? WOuld we spoil our own house? Even if people we consider as our

enemies are living in our house? We may not like it but we might harm them,

create problems for them, but not to the extent they will harm our

house.

4) in 2005, Jupiter, his 9th and 12th lord was in his 6th house in

transit,

5) In 2008 when chandu2chillji over came these problems, Jupiter had moved to

his own house dhanu , chandu2 chilljis 9th bhagya house, rahu had moved to

10th makara, shani's house, Saturn was in leo where he is rather powerless to

do any harm to anyone, plus he was running Saturn, his 10th and 11th lord's

antardasha in Jupiter MD.

These are just a few stray thoughts of mine.

Regards,

Anita

 

--- On Sat, 12/12/09, kulbir <kulbirbains@ in.com>

wrote:

kulbir <kulbirbains@ in.com>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Is Malifics always Overpower the

Benefics?

ancient_indian_ astrology

Saturday, 12 December, 2009, 1:14 PM

Dear Neelam ji and Chandu ji; please pardon this

minor intrusion in your own going discussion;

according to Lalkitab; Mercury is combination of Jupiter and Rahu;

Jupiter represents yellow colour and Rahu represents Blue Colour; Combined

together they form Green Colour represented by Mercury;

so the statement //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence

in Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. **Yes, if

weak, it can get empowered by malefic forces!**// seems to be very logical.

 

Regards

Kulbir

 

>

> In a way you are agree that JUP is Weak in my chart am i right?

>

>

> ancient_indian_

astrology, "CP" <nanna_id2006@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Neelam Ji,

> >

> > Certainly i got your point(s) and analogy as well. Thank you so

much for your response

> >

> > But the point was/is How Jup is working in the chart... and when we

talk about predictive astrology it matters please correct me if i am wrong

i.e. Jupiter's PAC etc. It's not just consoling a disturbed soul.. i do

admire for you that:-) sincerely..

> >

> > //Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in

Rahu. Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak,

it can get empowered by malefic forces!//

> >

> > This is WHAT i wanted to raise the question many times but i guess

now is the time..

> >

> > So you (You = Astrology and Astrologers) mean to say it is the

MALIFICS that ALWAYS OVERPOWER the BENEFICS?? then Why Benefics are there in

the chart? if they can not ACT..

> >

> > Regarding KARMPHAL i agree with you and experiencing the same

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Chandu2Chill

> >

> > PS: If you consider the Jaimini Charakarakas and look from Jaimini

angle Jup is my AK so all my questions are coming from inside...:-)

> >

> > ancient_indian_

astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandu ji,

> >

> > If my father does not have a huge bank balance or has not made

bungalows which I may inherit, does it make he is bad?

> > Its just that he is not able to fulfill what I desire, right or

wrong!

> >

> > If I don't have money, but desire to have a luxury car, I might be

tempted to rob someone, courtesy a bad associate! Does that mean my father is

at fault?

> >

> > Hope you get the point.

> >

> > Even when Guru kills, it is because of our over indulgence in Rahu.

Guru is not said to be a benefic just for the heck of it. Yes, if weak, it

can get empowered by malefic forces!

> >

> > But isn't that what KARMPHAL is all about? Be positive about your

Guru dasha and try to extract the best from it!

> >

> > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > >

> > > > I must and always appreciate you for making positive and

holistic approach

> > > > in guiding, writing and discussing here AIA which is

loudable from one and

> > > > all. No doubt about that.

> > > >

> > > > Here, i would like to discuss only Objective and

Subjective purpose.. not

> > > > intending to create any controversies i am making it

clear in begining

> > > > itself.

> > > >

> > > > Now GOOD and BAD both, as we all know relative terms

> > > >

> > > > Objective:

> > > >

> > > > I am the C.M (read as Common Man) like any majority of

common folk with no

> > > > malaice intention and that too god fearing guy (of course

when i didn't

> > > > commit any mistake or Sin which i knowof then i don't

even fear/care God as

> > > > well) sudden mishapes happened to me just after the

begining of Jup MD. Here

> > > > i am not blaming Jup alone but for the sake of

discussion, keep it Jup and

> > > > Sat only.

> > > >

> > > > Subjective:

> > > >

> > > > //A great benefic like Jupiter, who also gets the most

benefic lordship of

> > > > 9H through its MT sign, and placed in 11H with another

benefic.//

> > > >

> > > > I have seen and observed whenever an Astrologer wants to

make some positive

> > > > comments writes as above (mentioned with respectfully) .

What about his 12H

> > > > lordship?

> > > >

> > > > What about his rivelry with Venus with whom he is with

(since you mentioned

> > > > Jup is with another great benefic so i am asking this)

and what about his

> > > > placement and other status? which i mentioned in my below

mail? (You all

> > > > know this i am not teaching you here so pls don't mistake

me;-))

> > > >

> > > > Do you still want to say Jup is benefic (no doubt Jup and

Ve are Natural

> > > > benefics) and doing good for me? forget about Good, Bad

attributes, what is

> > > > his Strength or Capacity in PRODUCING RESULTS let the

result be Good or

> > > > Bad:-) for me? as per his status in my chart?

> > > >

> > > > Note: If i experiment with using Raman's Ayanmsha or some

other's

> > > > view-portal then i got married during Jup MD only not in

Rahu MD. from that

> > > > day onwards life became hell which i am unable to

understand astrologically

> > > > since as far as my knowledge i have not committed any Sin

by Marrying did I?

> > > >

> > > > What is your astrological views on this?. Kindly

explain..

> > > >

> > > > OR

> > > >

> > > > Is is it too much reading into Astrology made me to

believe Jup is bad for

> > > > me? then also Jup only to be blamed..:-)hahahah since i

am running Jup MD

> > > >

> > > > With regards and respect

> > > >

> > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > >

> > > > P.S: i have never looked the life or any events in

negative aspect per se..

> > > > despite keeping positive attitude towards life, sincerity

and truthfulness

> > > > in my most of the conducts (Note: let me be frank i am

mentioning *Most of

> > > > my conducts not All*) due to certain things and mishapes

i was made to

> > > > believe or shown by great benafic Jup that - Life mai

Aisa Bhi Hota hai:-)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_

astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40.

com>,

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandu ji,

> > > >

> > > > I do not know what makes you think Jupiter is bad for

you? A great benefic

> > > > like Jupiter, who also gets the most benefic lordship of

9H through its MT

> > > > sign, and placed in 11H with another benefic.

> > > > How does he become bad please explain!

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/12 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer

aspects Sun causing

> > > > > > professional disturbance is evident, but it was

a period of turmoil as

> > > > you

> > > > > > were running dasha chhidra of Rahu.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > True when i started looking at my planets and

consulted astrologers

> > > > with my

> > > > > > problems i found it is *self explanatory*

only...:-) and indeed it

> > > > is/was

> > > > > > indicated in the chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //Jupiter had to prove beneficial and final

realignment happened in

> > > > > > Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Still i don't think Jup is beneficial for me i

always feel and remember

> > > > the

> > > > > > song "Pappu Can't Dance Saala, Pappu Naach

nai sakta" when i look at my

> > > > Jup.

> > > > > > Due to his condition in my chart he is in

MrutAvasta, conjuct with his

> > > > arch

> > > > > > rival and in Enemy's house placed in my Bhadaka

Stana. So for

> > > > materialistic

> > > > > > objectives and achievements he may not be

helpful i guess.. Ya due to

> > > > his

> > > > > > Navamsa postion, getting Mercury amsa he may

throw me in some

> > > > spiritual,

> > > > > > astrology etc subject(s).. .just my own

observation( s):-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I find Sat is a real friend for my

materialistic persuits.... .:-) at

> > > > the

> > > > > > age of 35 i don't want to get into Spirituality

etc etc so soon...:-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //You are headed for a great period now with

Saturn in Virgo.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is indeed a great news for me and i am

sure you have made this

> > > > comment

> > > > > > after studying my chart:-) Thank you so much

for your valuable insights

> > > > and

> > > > > > appreciate the same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, would like to know on what basis

(Astrologically) you are

> > > > saying

> > > > > > so..? i am still trying to understand/learn why

and how Sat in Leo

> > > > worked

> > > > > > wonders for me..(just looking from Saturn's

transit point of view)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40.

com>

> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > >

> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its all self explanatory. Saturn in Cancer

aspects Sun causing

> > > > professional

> > > > > > disturbance is evident, but it was a period of

turmoil as you were

> > > > running

> > > > > > dasha chhidra of Rahu. Jupiter had to prove

beneficial and final

> > > > realignment

> > > > > > happened in Rahu-Mars and Jup-Jup. You are

headed for a great period

> > > > now

> > > > > > with Saturn in Virgo.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@ >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are right without the dates we

can not study the practical

> > > > events..

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > just shared my practical events from

broder prospective with regard

> > > > to

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > thread..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now here are the Dates some may vari

btwn 3-4 days as i am

> > > > > > re-collecting

> > > > > > > > from my memory and some with actual

dates from my Passport EXIT

> > > > > > dates:-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 19th Dec 2004 this was the marriage

date Tr SatR was (temporarily)

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Cancer 2'degree just next day i got

the breaking news about my Job

> > > > > > > > suddenly..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Termination letter served on 28th Feb

2005. But due to other senior

> > > > > > > > manager's intervene i survived when

Tr Sat moved back to Gemini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Evntually lost the job on 5th Aug

2005 (Note during this survival

> > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > i.e Feb 05- Aug 05 Job was very

stressful some internal office

> > > > politics

> > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > New Job on Visit Visa Feb-Mar 2006

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Apr 2006 Back to India - No

Job

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > June 2006 Return to UAE Temp Jobs on

Visit Visa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nov 2006 - New Job on Permnent Visa

worked till April 2006 Fight

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > employer (since he cheated me)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This time NO MONEY to return to India so i

had to SELL my Gold

> > > > finger

> > > > > > ring

> > > > > > > > with my poor Mars RED Coral stone on

it to book my Air ticket...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Back to Dubai A friend send me visit visa again Aug

2007 this job

> > > > was

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > temp and lasted till Nov 2007

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dec 2007 - Jan 2008 OWN Business with

ZERO investment in Dubai .

did

> > > > > > > > Business of AED 118,530.00 in that

period with avarage 12% margin

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > enabled me to pay my room rent and

cover the expenses...But By this

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > exhausted physically, mentally and

emotionally due this frequent

> > > > Job

> > > > > > > > problems coupled with personal

issues..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Then just after Mar 2008 very senior

friend of mine who knew me and

> > > > my

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > these issues asked me to join him in

his Co in Abu Dhabi and from

> > > > Mar

> > > > > > 2008

> > > > > > > > till as of today Career is Rocking!!!

and i am happy as far as

> > > > career

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > concerned.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope this helps and Appreciate your

Feedback with Astrological

> > > > > > reasoning as

> > > > > > > > usual..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40.

com>

> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40.

com>,

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ >

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks Chandu jee,

> > > > > > > > How will we do astro-study of

practical events without the dates of

> > > > > > events?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly provide the dates and relevant

details.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/11 CP <nanna_id2006@

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Neelam Ji and Esteemed

List,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your below comments/observatio ns are

working in most of the charts

> > > > that

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > have seen so far (though very few

considering kind yourself and

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > experienced astrologers here)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I personally gone thru lot of

hardships/breaks/ professional loss

> > > > when

> > > > > > Tr

> > > > > > > > Sat was in Cancer aspecting my Natal Sun for almost 2

yrs there

> > > > were

> > > > > > > > frequent job changes lot of

professional hardships...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Surprisingly When Tr Sat Moved to LEO

(my 8H from Sun and Moon)

> > > > from

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > day and his Degree wise movement in

Leo, I have experienced and

> > > > still

> > > > > > > > experienceing the lot of Grwoth in my

Profession/Career

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A recession proof!!!!?:- ):-)

Chandu??:-) now?? though working in

> > > > UAE.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am just providing this here as a

feedback and practical events

> > > > for

> > > > > > Astro

> > > > > > > > Study...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > DOB: 10th Feb 1975 TOB: 10:47 AM POB:

Nargund 75 E 23' 00",15 N 43'

> > > > 00"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > PS: My sincere thanks to Lord Shanidev

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40.

com>

> > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40.

com>

> > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology%

40. com>,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ >

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *Whenever Saturn transits over natal

Sun or aspects natal Sun, one

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > experience professional disturbances.

*

> > > > > > > > *Whether the disturbance is for good

or bad, would depend upon the

> > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > promise and operative dasha.*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Saturn is the 10L and Sun is the 5L

of the natural zodiac, a 6/8

> > > > > > > > relationship.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I invite you all to share your views

with examples.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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