Venus and Jupiter

December 15, 2009

Sir, Roughly translated it means that our sages identified the various type of

energy being emitted from the planets;

they also identified animate and inanimate objects corresponding to these

energies and established a relationship between the two.

Such forms of energy is are represented by various Goddesss(Devi) and

Gods(Devta) in india.

classification of objects qua planets according to lalkitab is in accordance

with this principle.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

, " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Kulbir jee,

>

> I did not fully understand the transliterated message, but that is not your

fault! Thanks for sharing!

>

> The 'sense' I got was that in Lal-Kitab the planets perhaps were visualized as

the Devas-- energy_forms!

>

> Speaking of Siddhants, recently we had been hearing of there being a Surya

Siddhanta-based calculations of planets and these often end up giving

'placements' different from what most of us are used to, the ones that use

software and ephemeris and Swiss and NASA-JPL routines.

>

> Perhaps " Lal-Kitab " users should look into exploring if their results are more

in tune with Surya Siddhanta calculations, etc...!

>

> Just a thought!!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> >

> > Sir, //it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra //

> > Pt Chandra Muni Pathak has an interesting note in his commentary on

lalkitab; i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it as

such in Romanised Hindi;

> > " " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se

sambhandhit nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki

kissi bhi prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan

bindu kaun kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat

ki gayi, isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai.

> > 2. kissi bhi ikkayi mein grah ke naam se jaane wale in 9 binduon se bhin

bhin prakar ki oorja-trange uttpan hoti hain. us ikkayi ki aakriti avam uski

gun-pravartiyan in hi trango ke gunnatamak samikaran par nirbhar karti hai.

> > 3. inhi tarango ko bharat mein devi devta ke naam se bhi jaana jata hai.

> > 4. Lalkitab mein grahon ki vastyon ki sarini inhi tarango ki sthiti ko

pehchankar banayi gayi hai, " " .

> >

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Kulbir jee,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your response. Much apprecited!

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sir,

> > > > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

> > > > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

> > > > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

> > > > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

> > > > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

> > > > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952

AD.

> > > > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of

Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram

Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib (

calighrapher, composer script-writter).

> > > > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address

mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala;

Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop.

> > > > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram

Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth

18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as

Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g

Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure.

He expired on 24-12-1982.

> > > > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins.

> > > > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number.

Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into

oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many

mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his

eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Kulbir jee,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while

now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a

fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on

Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I

am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I

hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions.

Perhaps I should google -- one of these days!

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , " kulbir "

<kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many

practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and

41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and

henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to

support; my knowledge is only of academic interest.

> > > > > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share

it with you.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be

interesting to

> > > > > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more

> > > > > > > understandable and meaningful.

> > > > > > > Would be grateful.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in

house no. 5, if

> > > > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house

no. 1, then

> > > > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl

(mercury); There

> > > > > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the

birth of such

> > > > > > > > girl child.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the

enemy planets

> > > > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as

such; the life

> > > > > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of

conflict

> > > > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets

of Sun or

> > > > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the

womb of

> > > > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related

complications which will

> > > > > > > > end with the death of such girl child.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition;

> > > > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house

no.5; there

> > > > > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions;

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5

mention.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the

cases.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers

have been

> > > > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava

Hani Karo

> > > > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their

fallacy

> > > > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > > > any doubt.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As

far as I

> > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru

in fifth

> > > > > > > > causes

> > > > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > To:

<%40.\

com>

> > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native

will be

> > > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >*

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji,

> > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that

you said

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma

etcc, is

> > > > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying

children, would

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the

first born

> > > > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both

the the

> > > > > > > > parent

> > > > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@

>* wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > manoj ji

> > > > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place

of ultimate

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as

compared to

> > > > > > > > dhanus

> > > > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work

,looking after

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also

the

> > > > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the

ownership

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th

house venus

> > > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

>*

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces

is not a

> > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of

Jupiter and

> > > > > > > > THAT

> > > > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have

seen many

> > > > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV

have deviant

> > > > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr >

> > > > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so

beautiful

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vidya

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen

thakkar

> > > > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested inÂ Â

uniting 2 souls

> > > > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in

pisces ,where

> > > > > > > > pisces

> > > > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and

also 2 fishes

> > > > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2

souls can only

> > > > > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious

which are

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in

debility in virgo

> > > > > > > > bcoz

> > > > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthanaÂ and mecury as an immature student

is always

> > > > > > > > asking

> > > > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude

while jupiter

> > > > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he

has to not

> > > > > > > > roam

> > > > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar

and may

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs!

Jupiter takes

> > > > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and

air!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and

there's a

> > > > > > > > Piscean

> > > > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into

challenging

> > > > > > > > > > situations!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke

about the

> > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > considerations.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam

gupta

> > > > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari).

Being both

> > > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each

other. No

> > > > > > > > > > planet is

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their

children who

> > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be

entirely

> > > > > > > > wrong!

> > > > > > > > > > What do I

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<ancient_

> > > > > > > > indian_

> > > > > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the

evil asuras.

> > > > > > > > And

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each

other ? If so

> > > > > > > > > > then why

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter

?

> > > > > > > > Combination

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best

when

> > > > > > > > unafflcited,

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material

Life happiness

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in

enemy camps

> > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to

have darshan

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

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December 15, 2009

Dear Neelamji,lagna is leo, with venus in it, chandra, kuja and ravi in kanya, budha in libra, rahu and guru in dhanu, retro saturn in vrishabha and ketu in gemini. rahu dasa running till 19-11-10. BIrth details, 6-10-72, 3:25 am, ahmedabad.Regards, Anita--- On Tue, 15/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter Date: Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 6:10 AM

Dear Anita ji,//May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children//There's Rahu also in 5H in the example you gave. Any other aspects? What about the Fifth Lord? The dasha in operation. More daughters would be born in the dasha of a female planet, is what the classics maintain!

Also the saptamsha would have a lot to contribute. One can only say something with full details in hand. Quite a bit of moderation needed before fixing!RegardsNeelam2009/12/15 Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

Dear Neelam ji,It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and "hum do hamare do" was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya.

Regards to

you,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM

Dear Anita ji,//guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt.

RegardsNeelam2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

Dear Mr.Mehta,Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.Regards,

Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

ancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote:

Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

Dear Deepenji,Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

Regards, Anita--- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:

deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

manoj jipisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana ....

the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

Regards,

-Manoj

Vidya <vidyakmr >ancient_indian_ astrologySun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

Dear Deep Ji,You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. ThanksVidyaancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Bhaskarji> > Venus is the love god and is always interested inÃ‚ Ã‚ uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthanaÃ‚ and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath

itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > regards> deep

> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > > Ã‚ > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi

fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > Regards> Neelam

> > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ã‚ > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations.

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Samdhees? That's

interesting!> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > >> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is

> > > inimical to GURU.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >

> > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do

I> > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >

> > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of

> > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > Bhautik sukh

as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > >> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of

> > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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December 15, 2009

Rahu transiting over natal Rahu.Will be interesting.

Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Tue, 15/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote:

Anita R <ash.rsh55Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter Date: Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 5:48 PM

Dear Neelamji,lagna is leo, with venus in it, chandra, kuja and ravi in kanya, budha in libra, rahu and guru in dhanu, retro saturn in vrishabha and ketu in gemini. rahu dasa running till 19-11-10. BIrth details, 6-10-72, 3:25 am, ahmedabad.Regards, Anita--- On Tue, 15/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyTuesday, 15 December, 2009, 6:10 AM

Dear Anita ji,//May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children//There's Rahu also in 5H in the example you gave. Any other aspects? What about the Fifth Lord? The dasha in operation. More daughters would be born in the dasha of a female planet, is what the classics maintain!Also the saptamsha would have a lot to contribute. One can only say something with full details in hand. Quite a bit of moderation needed before fixing!RegardsNeelam

2009/12/15 Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

Dear Neelam ji,It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and "hum do hamare do" was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya.Regards to

you,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM

Dear Anita ji,//guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt.RegardsNeelam

2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

Dear Mr.Mehta,Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.Regards,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote:

Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

Dear Deepenji,Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?Regards, Anita--- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:

deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

manoj jipisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana ....the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

Regards,

-Manoj

Vidya <vidyakmr >ancient_indian_ astrologySun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

Dear Deep Ji,You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. ThanksVidyaancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji> > Venus is the love god and is always interested inÃ‚ Ã‚ uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthanaÃ‚ and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath

itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > regards> deep> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > > Ã‚ > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi

fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ã‚ > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations.> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Samdhees? That's

interesting!> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > >> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is> > > inimical to GURU.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >> > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do

I> > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of> > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > Bhautik sukh

as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > >> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/>

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December 15, 2009

Dear Anita Ji,

It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I come

from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just imagine a few

generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was considered " subhgaywati "

only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we have come a long way.. It's

always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat & sheep " like

children.

Regards,

Vidya

, Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam ji,

> It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact,

a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her

only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is

almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number

of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is thatÂ in the days

when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a

mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do " was considered a deficiency and

therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a

persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a

remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud

of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya.

> Regards to you,

> Anita

>

> --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

> Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

>

> Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM

>

Â

>

Dear Anita ji,

>

> //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//

>

> Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been

propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva,

etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

>

Â

>

Dear Mr.Mehta,

> Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard

more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes

daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> Regards,

>

> Anita

>

> --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

>

> chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

>

Â

>

First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under

Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

>

> Chiranjiv Mehta

>

> --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote:

>

> Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

>

> Â

>

> Dear Deepenji,

> Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and

as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in

5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person

religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some

how, I think it willÂ make both the the parent and the child religious and

spiritual. What do you say?

>

> Regards,

> Anita

>

> --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:

>

> deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

>

> Â

>

> manoj ji

> pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate

knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi

bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the

temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also theÂ administration

work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha

sthana ....

>

> the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in

Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

>

> --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

>

> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

>

> Â

>

> Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> Â

> Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally

Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter andÂ THAT is

one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there.Â I have seen many charts with

Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour

(ofcourse with otherÂ afflictions) .

>

> Â

> Regards,

> Â -Manoj

> Â

Vidya <vidyakmr >

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

>

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

>

> Â

>

> Dear Deep Ji,

>

> You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way

you put it. Thanks

>

> Vidya

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar

<justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji

> >

> > Venus is the love god and is always interested inÃ‚Â Ã‚Â uniting 2 souls

that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is

deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the

union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of

them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of

Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthanaÃ‚Â

and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults

with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge

lies beneath

> itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..

> >

> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his

Rehmat be upon us for always..

> >

> > regards

> > deep

>

> >

> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> >

> > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery

and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!

> >

> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi

> fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11

relationships)

> >

> > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

>

> >

> > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> >

>

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general

considerations.

>

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Samdhees? That's

> interesting!

> >

> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great

> >

> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet

is

>

> >

> > > inimical to GURU.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Regards

> >

> > > Neelam

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

>

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Dear B. Bhai

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> >

> > > >

>

> >

> > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were

sent

> >

> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What

do

> I

> >

> > > > know? ;-)

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_

astrology%40gr oups. com>,

>

> >

> > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> >

> > > > >

>

> >

> > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And

> >

> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then

why

> >

> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of

>

> >

> > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited,

for

> >

> > > > > Bhautik sukh

> as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and

> >

> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of

>

> >

> > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

>

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

>

> >

>

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

>

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

>

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in./

>

December 15, 2009

Dear Vidya ji,// It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat & sheep " like children.//Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind.

If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji!RegardsNeelam2009/12/15 Vidya <vidyakmr

Dear Anita Ji,

It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat & sheep " like children.

Regards,

Vidya

, Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam ji,

> It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is thatÂ in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do " was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya.

> Regards to you,

> Anita

>

> --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

> Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

>

> Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM

>

> Â

>

> Dear Anita ji,

>

> //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//

>

> Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

>

> Â

>

> Dear Mr.Mehta,

> Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> Regards,

>

> Anita

>

> --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

>

> chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

>

> Â

>

> First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

>

> Chiranjiv Mehta

>

> --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote:

>

> Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

>

> Â

>

> Dear Deepenji,

> Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it willÂ make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

>

> Regards,

> Anita

>

> --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:

>

> deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

>

> Â

>

> manoj ji

> pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also theÂ administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana ....

>

> the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

>

> --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

>

> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

>

> Â

>

> Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> Â

> Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter andÂ THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there.Â I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with otherÂ afflictions) .

>

> Â

> Regards,

> Â -Manoj

> Â

>

> Vidya <vidyakmr >

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

>

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

>

> Â

>

> Dear Deep Ji,

>

> You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. Thanks

>

> Vidya

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji

> >

> > Venus is the love god and is always interested inÃ‚Â Ã‚Â uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthanaÃ‚Â and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath

> itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..

> >

> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..

> >

> > regards

> > deep

>

> >

> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> >

> > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!

> >

> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi

> fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)

> >

> > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

>

> >

> > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> >

>

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations.

>

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Samdhees? That's

> interesting!

> >

> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great

> >

> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is

>

> >

> > > inimical to GURU.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Regards

> >

> > > Neelam

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

>

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Dear B. Bhai

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> >

> > > >

>

> >

> > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent

> >

> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do

> I

> >

> > > > know? ;-)

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,

>

> >

> > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> >

> > > > >

>

> >

> > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And

> >

> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why

> >

> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of

>

> >

> > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for

> >

> > > > > Bhautik sukh

> as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and

> >

> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of

>

> >

> > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

>

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

>

> >

>

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/

> >

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./

>

December 15, 2009

Dear Neelam ji,// Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. //really !!this is new to me that too from you!!..Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Vidya ji,> > // It's always better to produce one "lion" like child then several "goat & > sheep" like children.//> > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind.> If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji!> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr > >> >> >> > Dear Anita Ji,> >> > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I> > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just> > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was> > considered "subhgaywati" only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we> > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one "lion" like child> > then several "goat & sheep" like children.> >> > Regards,> > Vidya> >> >> > <%40>,> > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In> > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son.> > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since> > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th> > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise> > is thatÂ in the days when astrology developed as a science children> > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and "hum do hamare do"> > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an> > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and> > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as> > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava> > nashaya.> > > Regards to you,> > > Anita> >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > <%40>> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Â> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Anita ji,> > >> > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//> > >> > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been> > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo> > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond> > any doubt.> > >> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Â> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Mr.Mehta,> > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I> > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth> > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.> > > Regards,> > >> > > Anita> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > >> > >> > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > >> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Â> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under> > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.> > >> > >> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > >> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Deepenji,> > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord> > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is> > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it> > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born> > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it willÂ make both the the parent> > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?> >> > >> > > Regards,> > > Anita> > >> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > manoj ji> > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate> > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus> > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the> > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also theÂ> > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of> > pisces that is moksha sthana ....> >> > >> > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is> > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...> > >> > >> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,> > > Â> > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a> > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter> > andÂ THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there.Â I have seen> > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant> > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with otherÂ afflictions) .> > >> > > Â> > > Regards,> > > Â -Manoj> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Vidya vidyakmr >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM> > >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > >> > > Â> > >> > > Dear Deep Ji,> > >> > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful> > the way you put it. Thanks> > >> > > Vidya> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar> > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > >> > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested inÃ‚Â Ã‚Â uniting 2> > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where> > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2> > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can> > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are> > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo> > bcoz it is an upachay sthanaÃ‚Â and mecury as an immature student is always> > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter> > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath> >> > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > > >> > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his> > Rehmat be upon us for always..> > > >> > > > regards> > > > deep> > >> > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > >> > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Ã‚Â> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > >> > > >> > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes> > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > > >> > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi> > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11> > relationships)> > > >> > > >> > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging> > situations!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Ã‚Â> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the> > general considerations.> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta> > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Samdhees? That's> > > interesting!> > > >> > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both> > great> > > >> > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No> > planet is> > >> > > >> > > > > inimical to GURU.> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Regards> > > >> > > > > Neelam> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who> > were sent> > > >> > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong!> > What do> > > I> > > >> > > > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_> > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras.> > And> > > >> > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so> > then why> > > >> > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination> > of> > >> > > >> > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when> > unafflcited, for> > > >> > > > > > > Bhautik sukh> > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > >> > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > >> > > >> > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > http://in.. com/> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > http://in./> > >> >> > > >>

December 15, 2009

Dear Neelam Ji,

I don't know much about genetic engineering but what I meant to say is that if

a person just has 1 child he can invest all his resources like time,money,

energy etc. to that " one and only " to make him or her..Now if we have many then

of course it will not be the same as everything has to be divided.

Vidya

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Vidya ji,

>

> // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat &

> sheep " like children.//

>

> Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind.

> If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> 2009/12/15 Vidya <vidyakmr

>

> >

> > Dear Anita Ji,

> >

> > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I

> > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just

> > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was

> > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we

> > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like child

> > then several " goat & sheep " like children.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Vidya

> >

> > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Neelam ji,

> > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In

> > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son.

> > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since

> > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th

> > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise

> > is thatÂ in the days when astrology developed as a science children

> > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do "

> > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an

> > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and

> > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as

> > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava

> > nashaya.

> > > Regards to you,

> > > Anita

> >

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

> > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > To:

<%40.\

com>

> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM

> > >

> > > Â

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Anita ji,

> > >

> > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//

> > >

> > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been

> > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo

> > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond

> > any doubt.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > >

> > > Â

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I

> > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth

> > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Anita

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > >

> > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >

> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

> > >

> > > Â

> >

> > >

> > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under

> > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

> > >

> > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote:

> > >

> > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >

> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > > Dear Deepenji,

> > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord

> > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is

> > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it

> > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born

> > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it willÂ make both the the parent

> > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

> >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Anita

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > > manoj ji

> > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate

> > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus

> > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the

> > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also theÂ

> > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of

> > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> >

> > >

> > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is

> > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> > > Â

> > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a

> > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter

> > andÂ THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there.Â I have seen

> > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant

> > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with otherÂ afflictions) .

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Regards,

> > > Â -Manoj

> > > Â

> > >

> > > Vidya <vidyakmr >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> > >

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > > Dear Deep Ji,

> > >

> > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful

> > the way you put it. Thanks

> > >

> > > Vidya

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar

> > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > >

> > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested inÃ‚Â Ã‚Â uniting 2

> > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where

> > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2

> > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can

> > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are

> > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo

> > bcoz it is an upachay sthanaÃ‚Â and mecury as an immature student is always

> > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter

> > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath

> >

> > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..

> > > >

> > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his

> > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > deep

> > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >

> > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

> > > >

> > > > Ã‚Â

> >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > >

> > > >

> > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes

> > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!

> > > >

> > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi

> > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11

> > relationships)

> > > >

> > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging

> > situations!!

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > >

> > > >

> > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Ã‚Â

> >

> > > >

> > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the

> > general considerations.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Samdhees? That's

> > > interesting!

> > > >

> > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both

> > great

> > > >

> > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No

> > planet is

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > inimical to GURU.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who

> > were sent

> > > >

> > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong!

> > What do

> > > I

> > > >

> > > > > > know? ;-)

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_

> > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras.

> > And

> > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so

> > then why

> > > >

> > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination

> > of

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when

> > unafflcited, for

> > > >

> > > > > > > Bhautik sukh

> > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and

> > > >

> > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > http://in.. com/

> > > >

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > http://in./

> > >

> >

>

December 15, 2009

Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge failures. Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic

engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now the GM crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of this deadly experiment.

Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is a counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and

minerals are gone long before but the fruit stays healthy as

a regular, processed food, and appears very ripe.For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. A genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than its normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was

so strong and took so many natural resources out of the environment

that it killed off all its neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal

fish, and wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot

of food. It would probably eat the other fish out of a habitat.

This, coupled with its size, could lead to the destruction of the

ecosystem. Now scientists are scared that this organism will lead to the extinction of others. We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to existence. This is not to mention ethics!

RegardsNeelam2009/12/15 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927

Dear Neelam ji,// Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. //really !!this is new to me that too from you!!..Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>> Dear Vidya ji,> > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat & > sheep " like children.//> > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind.

> If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji!> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr > >

> >> >> > Dear Anita Ji,> >> > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I> > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just

> > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was> > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we> > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like child

> > then several " goat & sheep " like children.> >> > Regards,> > Vidya> >> >> > <%40>,

> > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In> > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son.

> > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since> > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th> > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise

> > is thatÂ in the days when astrology developed as a science children> > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do " > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an

> > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and> > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as> > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava

> > nashaya.> > > Regards to you,> > > Anita> >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > <%40>

> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Â

> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Anita ji,> > >

> > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//> > >> > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been> > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo

> > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond> > any doubt.> > >> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > > Â> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > > Dear Mr.Mehta,> > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I> > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth

> > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.> > > Regards,> > >> > > Anita> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > >> > >> > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > >> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > > Â> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under

> > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.> > >> > >> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote:

> > >> > >> > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > > Dear Deepenji,> > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord> > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is> > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it

> > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born> > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it willÂ make both the the parent> > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

> >> > >> > > Regards,> > > Anita> > >> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:

> > >> > >> > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > > manoj ji> > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate> > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus

> > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the> > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also theÂ> > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of

> > pisces that is moksha sthana ....> >> > >> > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is> > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...> > >

> > >> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,> > > Â> > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a

> > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter> > andÂ THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there.Â I have seen> > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant

> > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with otherÂ afflictions) .> > >> > > Â> > > Regards,> > > Â -Manoj> > > Â> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > > Vidya vidyakmr >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> > >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > >> > > Â> > >> > > Dear Deep Ji,> > >> > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful

> > the way you put it. Thanks> > >> > > Vidya> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar> > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > >> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > >> > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested inÃ‚Â Ã‚Â uniting 2> > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where

> > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2> > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can> > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are

> > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo> > bcoz it is an upachay sthanaÃ‚Â and mecury as an immature student is always> > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter

> > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath> >> > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > > >> > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his

> > Rehmat be upon us for always..> > > >> > > > regards> > > > deep> > >> > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > >> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >> > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Ã‚Â> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > >> > > >> > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes> > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!

> > > >> > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi> > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11> > relationships)> > > >

> > > >> > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging> > situations!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > >

> > > >> > > >> > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Ã‚Â> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the> > general considerations.

> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Samdhees? That's> > > interesting!> > > >

> > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both> > great> > > >> > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > > >

> > > > >> > > >> > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No> > planet is> > >> > > >> > > > > inimical to GURU.

> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Regards> > > >> > > > > Neelam> > > >> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >> > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who

> > were sent> > > >> > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong!> > What do> > > I> > > >> > > > > > know? ;-)

> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_> > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > >> > > >> > > >

> > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras.

> > And> > > >> > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so> > then why> > > >> > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination

> > of> > >> > > >> > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when> > unafflcited, for> > > >> > > > > > > Bhautik sukh

> > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > >> > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > >> > > >> > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > http://in.. com/> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > http://in./> > >

> >> > > >>

December 15, 2009

Dear Vidya ji,

Whatever planning one may do, with ordinary folks like us, we cannot produce

that only one unless he is destined to be so.

It can be done, by those who only copulate for children. It can be done by those

who read the Shastras and abide by the rules when to copulate. This also means

that the rest of the time when it is not advised to have sex, the couple must

stay away. Is this possible in todays world ?

This is also possible because I know certain men of older generations in

villages in andhra who used to sleep with their wife only two times of the year.

they were real contenders of giving birth to the " One " . But unfortunately they

have not read the shastras and those chapters which instruct when to copulate

for the best category of children.

regards/Bhaskar.

, " Vidya " <vidyakmr wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam Ji,

>

> I don't know much about genetic engineering but what I meant to say is that

if a person just has 1 child he can invest all his resources like time,money,

energy etc. to that " one and only " to make him or her..Now if we have many then

of course it will not be the same as everything has to be divided.

>

> Vidya

>

> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vidya ji,

> >

> > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat &

> > sheep " like children.//

> >

> > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind.

> > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji!

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> > 2009/12/15 Vidya <vidyakmr@>

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Anita Ji,

> > >

> > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I

> > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just

> > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was

> > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well

we

> > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like child

> > > then several " goat & sheep " like children.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Vidya

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam ji,

> > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In

> > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son.

> > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child

since

> > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th

> > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to

arise

> > > is thatÂ in the days when astrology developed as a science children

> > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare

do "

> > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an

> > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th

and

> > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as

> > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava

> > > nashaya.

> > > > Regards to you,

> > > > Anita

> > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

> > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > To:

<%40.\

com>

> > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Anita ji,

> > > >

> > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//

> > > >

> > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been

> > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo

> > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy

beyond

> > > any doubt.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I

> > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth

> > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > >

> > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > >

> > > >

> > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be

under

> > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

> > > >

> > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > >

> > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > >

> > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > Dear Deepenji,

> > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord

> > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is

> > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it

> > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born

> > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it willÂ make both the the

parent

> > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > manoj ji

> > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate

> > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus

> > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the

> > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also theÂ

> > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of

> > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> > >

> > > >

> > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is

> > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> > > > Â

> > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a

> > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter

> > > andÂ THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there.Â I have

seen

> > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have

deviant

> > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with otherÂ afflictions) .

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Â -Manoj

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > Vidya <vidyakmr >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> > > >

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > Dear Deep Ji,

> > > >

> > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful

> > > the way you put it. Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Vidya

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar

> > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested inÃ‚Â Ã‚Â uniting 2

> > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces

,where

> > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2

> > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can

> > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are

> > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in

virgo

> > > bcoz it is an upachay sthanaÃ‚Â and mecury as an immature student is

always

> > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while

jupiter

> > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath

> > >

> > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..

> > > > >

> > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his

> > > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > deep

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > >

> > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Ã‚Â

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes

> > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!

> > > > >

> > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi

> > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11

> > > relationships)

> > > > >

> > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging

> > > situations!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ã‚Â

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the

> > > general considerations.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Samdhees? That's

> > > > interesting!

> > > > >

> > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both

> > > great

> > > > >

> > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No

> > > planet is

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > inimical to GURU.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who

> > > were sent

> > > > >

> > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong!

> > > What do

> > > > I

> > > > >

> > > > > > > know? ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_

> > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras.

> > > And

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so

> > > then why

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ?

Combination

> > > of

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when

> > > unafflcited, for

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh

> > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan

of

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > > http://in.. com/

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > > http://in./

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 15, 2009

Sure Vidya ji. Please take my comments in lighter vein!:-)I think PRODUCE is a very sensitive word.RegardsNeelam2009/12/15 Vidya <vidyakmr

Dear Neelam Ji,

I don't know much about genetic engineering but what I meant to say is that if a person just has 1 child he can invest all his resources like time,money, energy etc. to that " one and only " to make him or her..Now if we have many then of course it will not be the same as everything has to be divided.

Vidya

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Vidya ji,

>

> // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat &

> sheep " like children.//

>

> Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind.

> If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> 2009/12/15 Vidya <vidyakmr

>

> >

> > Dear Anita Ji,

> >

> > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I

> > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just

> > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was

> > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we

> > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like child

> > then several " goat & sheep " like children.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Vidya

> >

> > <%40>,