Lalkitab Good News;

December 15, 2009

Very Dear Bhaskar ji; This will make you feel proud.

Sh. Yog Raj Prabhakar Ji had printed and published the 1941 version in

transcript of hindi; i mean only the script was changed but words; even line

number and page number remained the same. its cost was Rs. 400. While i was

reading Shri Rohini Ji's message i got a call from him that he is going to

release Ebook version of this Hindi Transliteration of 'LalKitab Teesra

Hissa-1941' done by him to general public shortly. Now Everyone in the world can

have the opportunity of reading and printing 1941 version of this Great

Manuscript.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

, " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Kulbir jee,

>

> Thanks for your response. Much apprecited!

>

> RR_,

>

> , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

> > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

> > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

> > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

> > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

> > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD.

> > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala

depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma

resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib (

calighrapher, composer script-writter).

> > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address

mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala;

Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop.

> > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi

resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth

18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as

Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g

Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure.

He expired on 24-12-1982.

> > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins.

> > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number.

Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into

oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many

mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his

eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Kulbir jee,

> > >

> > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while now,

came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a

fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on

Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I

am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I

hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions.

Perhaps I should google -- one of these days!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners

/ professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions;

1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth

importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my

knowledge is only of academic interest.

> > > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it

with you.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > > , neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be

interesting to

> > > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more

> > > > > understandable and meaningful.

> > > > > Would be grateful.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house

no. 5, if

> > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no.

1, then

> > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury);

There

> > > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth

of such

> > > > > > girl child.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy

planets

> > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such;

the life

> > > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of

conflict

> > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of

Sun or

> > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the

womb of

> > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications

which will

> > > > > > end with the death of such girl child.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition;

> > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5;

there

> > > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5

mention.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the

cases.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have

been

> > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani

Karo

> > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their

fallacy

> > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > any doubt.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far

as I

> > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in

fifth

> > > > > > causes

> > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > To:

<%40.\

com>

> > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will

be

> > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji,

> > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you

said

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma

etcc, is

> > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children,

would

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first

born

> > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the

the

> > > > > > parent

> > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >*

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > manoj ji

> > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of

ultimate

> > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared

to

> > > > > > dhanus

> > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking

after

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the

> > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the

ownership

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house

venus

> > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

>*

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is

not a

> > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of

Jupiter and

> > > > > > THAT

> > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have

seen many

> > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have

deviant

> > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr >

> > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so

beautiful

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vidya

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen

thakkar

> > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested inÂ Â uniting 2

souls

> > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces

,where

> > > > > > pisces

> > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2

fishes

> > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls

can only

> > > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which

are

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility

in virgo

> > > > > > bcoz

> > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthanaÂ and mecury as an immature student is

always

> > > > > > asking

> > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while

jupiter

> > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has

to not

> > > > > > roam

> > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and

may

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs!

Jupiter takes

> > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and

air!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's

a

> > > > > > Piscean

> > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging

> > > > > > > > situations!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about

the

> > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > considerations.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam

gupta

> > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari).

Being both

> > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each

other. No

> > > > > > > > planet is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their

children who

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be

entirely

> > > > > > wrong!

> > > > > > > > What do I

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<ancient_

> > > > > > indian_

> > > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil

asuras.

> > > > > > And

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other

? If so

> > > > > > > > then why

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ?

> > > > > > Combination

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when

> > > > > > unafflcited,

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life

happiness

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy

camps

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have

darshan

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

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December 15, 2009

Dear Kulbir ji,

Frankly speaking, I have the original versions of both soft copy

gifted by one of the Big Names of LalKitab(Under promise not to share it with

anyone)and the hard copies purchased from Gowswamiji. These hard copies are

lying unused and collecting dust because its difficult to understand. Just a

transilteration means something but not everything. One cannot understand the

dictums unless somebody explains, and there is no explanations offered in these

books. Its just like the Bhagavad Gita which one needs a " Purport " written

alongwith " Comments " written by the author-(Reauthor) to understand. Which is

why I requested Shri Yogiraj ji to please write a book which explains how to use

the Lalkitab. he is a great man and a very good writer of Hindi Language and

many other languages as I know him to be. But awaiting when he gets the time to

do this.

The original transiliterations means nothing for one who whould like to practise

the Lalkitab. This is my personal view. One needs a Guru to teach him how to use

these.

regards/Bhaskar.

, " kulbir " <kulbirbains

wrote:

>

> Very Dear Bhaskar ji; This will make you feel proud.

> Sh. Yog Raj Prabhakar Ji had printed and published the 1941 version in

transcript of hindi; i mean only the script was changed but words; even line

number and page number remained the same. its cost was Rs. 400. While i was

reading Shri Rohini Ji's message i got a call from him that he is going to

release Ebook version of this Hindi Transliteration of 'LalKitab Teesra

Hissa-1941' done by him to general public shortly. Now Everyone in the world can

have the opportunity of reading and printing 1941 version of this Great

Manuscript.

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> , " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Kulbir jee,

> >

> > Thanks for your response. Much apprecited!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir,

> > > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

> > > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

> > > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

> > > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

> > > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

> > > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD.

> > > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala

depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma

resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib (

calighrapher, composer script-writter).

> > > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address

mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala;

Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop.

> > > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram

Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth

18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as

Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g

Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure.

He expired on 24-12-1982.

> > > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins.

> > > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number.

Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into

oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many

mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his

eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Kulbir jee,

> > > >

> > > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while

now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a

fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on

Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I

am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I

hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions.

Perhaps I should google -- one of these days!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many

practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and

41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and

henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to

support; my knowledge is only of academic interest.

> > > > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it

with you.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >

> > > > > , neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be

interesting to

> > > > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more

> > > > > > understandable and meaningful.

> > > > > > Would be grateful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house

no. 5, if

> > > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house

no. 1, then

> > > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl

(mercury); There

> > > > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth

of such

> > > > > > > girl child.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the

enemy planets

> > > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such;

the life

> > > > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of

conflict

> > > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets

of Sun or

> > > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the

womb of

> > > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications

which will

> > > > > > > end with the death of such girl child.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition;

> > > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house

no.5; there

> > > > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions;

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5

mention.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the

cases.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have

been

> > > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava

Hani Karo

> > > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their

fallacy

> > > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > > any doubt.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As

far as I

> > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in

fifth

> > > > > > > causes

> > > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > To:

<%40.\

com>

> > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native

will be

> > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji,

> > > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you

said

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma

etcc, is

> > > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying

children, would

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the

first born

> > > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the

the

> > > > > > > parent

> > > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@

>* wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > manoj ji

> > > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of

ultimate

> > > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as

compared to

> > > > > > > dhanus

> > > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work

,looking after

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also

the

> > > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the

ownership

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th

house venus

> > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

>*

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is

not a

> > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of

Jupiter and

> > > > > > > THAT

> > > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have

seen many

> > > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV

have deviant

> > > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr >

> > > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> > > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so

beautiful

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vidya

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen

thakkar

> > > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested inÂ Â uniting

2 souls

> > > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces

,where

> > > > > > > pisces

> > > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also

2 fishes

> > > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls

can only

> > > > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious

which are

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility

in virgo

> > > > > > > bcoz

> > > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthanaÂ and mecury as an immature student is

always

> > > > > > > asking

> > > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while

jupiter

> > > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has

to not

> > > > > > > roam

> > > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar

and may

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs!

Jupiter takes

> > > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and

air!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and

there's a

> > > > > > > Piscean

> > > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into

challenging

> > > > > > > > > situations!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about

the

> > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > considerations.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam

gupta

> > > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari).

Being both

> > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each

other. No

> > > > > > > > > planet is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their

children who

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be

entirely

> > > > > > > wrong!

> > > > > > > > > What do I

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<ancient_

> > > > > > > indian_

> > > > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil

asuras.

> > > > > > > And

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each

other ? If so

> > > > > > > > > then why

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ?

> > > > > > > Combination

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when

> > > > > > > unafflcited,

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life

happiness

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in

enemy camps

> > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have

darshan

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage.

> > > > > > > http://in..

> > > > > > > > > com/ <http://in./>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

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> > > > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>.

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> > >

> >

>

December 15, 2009

Very Dear Bhaskar Ji,

no matter how many explanatory commentaries one reads the basic guideline given

by Pt. Ji. never fails " is kitab me samudrik ki alph be (35 harf) mukkamamil

taur par dene ki koshish ki gayi hai magar chunki ek farmaan doosre se bilkul

juda hi hota chala gaya hai isliye tamam ki tamam hi kitab ko shuru se aakhir

tak kayi dafa baar-bar bataur novel (beshak bagair samajhe hi) padhate jaana

khud b khud hi majmoon ke bhed bata dega "

roughly translated - although every attempt has been made to thoroughly

incorporate the principles of samudrik ( all inclusive) knowledge but as one

dictum differs completely from the other , it is suggested to read the complete

book again and again (sometimes even without understanding) this way it will

reveal all its secrets to the reader.

there is no other alternative to it.

Regards.

Kulbir Bains.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir ji,

>

> Frankly speaking, I have the original versions of both soft copy

> gifted by one of the Big Names of LalKitab(Under promise not to share it with