Lalkitab Good News;

December 18, 2009

Dear Bohra ji,

You just forget my posts. Whenever they do not sound good, just think that they

are coming from " Prem Chopra " . You are a good man, and I am a bad man, so a good

man must not care for a bad man. Okay.

With Mars in 8th, there are seperate remedies for other combinations though Mars

will remain in 8th.

1) Mars in 8th with Mercury - native must have a dark room in back of his house

(Darkness means Saturn, which must be established)

2) Receiving blessings of widos frequently,

3) Tandoori roti to be gien to Dogs.

4) Mars in 8th with 2nd house empty, native should wear silver chain.

Bohra ji what happened to my lunch ? You forgot to talk about me conveniently.

Am I invited or not ?

Love and regards,

Bhaskar.

, " Sudan " <msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Dear Boss ,

>

> It was reply to Rohiniji what they have asked me not a advise to any one.I

have stated as I have read in a Lalkitab.

>

> I have clearly stated that " I am not a expert " than what is the matter with so

many question marks ?If i does not have command on any school of Astrology than

i never say that I am the expert and can teach others.Member are reading my

massage and can understand well what advise have been given them and in what

reference.

>

> For rest of your questions please read my that massage properly,where I have

stated Sun is lord of 1st house ?If in any chart a malefic Mars is in 8th house

than what you will advise ?

>

> At least you have came out with some Lalkiitab references after my that post.

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

wrote:

> >

> > Boss,

> > Very nice to see you here.

> >

> > It says in Lalkitab that if a person have Mars in 12th than Mars will

> > become

> > auspicious for him after 28th year and if he have the son in 28th year

> > than Mars

> > become more auspicious for him.So son is also consider. Even if the

> > son is born in the 24 th year benefic results can be expected. (Read my

> > comments at the end of this Mail)

> > In my view,in 'Kalpurush kudali' Son is represent by 5th lord,Sun and

> > Mars is

> > 1st and 8th lord.12th house is 8th house of son chart,5 to 8th.and from

> > 12th

> > ,5th is 6th house,so equation is 6 & 8th from each other.If we don't

> > good

> > relation with son (5th) than sun(5th lord) become very harmful for

> > us(Mars as

> > 1st,8th lord).If we make enemy(son,6th from 12th)or cool us(Mars) than

> > we

> > doesn't have any problem. If You are talking abou the " Kalapurusha

> > Kundli " at one side then how can the Sun be the Lord of the 1st House ?

> > You are saying above that Sun is Lord of the 1st and Mars is Lord of

> > the 8th . On the other side you are saying " If we don't good relation

> > with son (5th) than sun(5th lord) become very harmful for us' . This

> > seems contradictory. Dosent it ? And how can Mars cool us ?

> >

> > Why to offer Milk and sugar to them means,Milk represent by Moon and

> > sugar by

> > Jupiter.It is said that fiery Mars can be cooled by Moon and if we add

> > more

> > power to Jupiter by adding sugar than it works as a catalyst.

> > Mars is planet of Power,energy,fiery so in 12th house it not become bad

> > for the

> > native so if we offer him which makes him sweet to us.

> >

> > It is my little mind says about this Lalkitab " Farmaan " .I am not expert

> > or not

> > have any good knowledge of this Lalkitab,here Kuberji can further

> > comment their

> > expert views on all this.

> > On one side you are saying that You you are not an Expert and not having

> > good knowledge about LalKitab . then why are you advising ????????????

> > Do You Know ??????? As per LalKitab. When Mars is in 12th, then Rahu

> > will remain in Control. If Mars is in 12th and Mercury appears in 3rd,

> > 8th, 9th and 12th then Mars will not be benefic but instead can turn

> > malefic. if mercury and Ketu are becoming malefic, and there is

> > conjunction of' the Sun and Saturn ., then native will face sufferings

> > from self undoing. His eyes and eyesight will be affected. and all

> > comforts of his family are destroyed. If the Mars in 12th is not

> > aspected by the Sun or the Moon, and Mercury falls in the 4th or the

> > 8th, then the native shall die at an early age and so will his mother

> > immediately afterwards. If Saturn falls in the 2nd house with mars in

> > the 12th, then Mars can never be benefic but willlways be malefic. I

> > request the members to study well before they display their half baked

> > knowledge to the members who are new here and are students. Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Sudan " <msbohra62@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Rohiniji,

> > >

> > > Very nice to see you here.

> > >

> > > It says in Lalkitab that if a person have Mars in 12th than Mars will

> > become auspicious for him after 28th year and if he have the son in 28th

> > year than Mars become more auspicious for him.So son is also consider.

> > >

> > > In my view,in 'Kalpurush kudali' Son is represent by 5th lord,Sun and

> > Mars is 1st and 8th lord.12th house is 8th house of son chart,5 to

> > 8th.and from 12th ,5th is 6th house,so equation is 6 & 8th from each

> > other.If we don't good relation with son (5th) than sun(5th lord) become

> > very harmful for us(Mars as 1st,8th lord).If we make enemy(son,6th from

> > 12th)or cool us(Mars) than we doesn't have any problem.

> > >

> > > Why to offer Milk and sugar to them means,Milk represent by Moon and

> > sugar by Jupiter.It is said that fiery Mars can be cooled by Moon and if

> > we add more power to Jupiter by adding sugar than it works as a

> > catalyst.

> > >

> > > Mars is planet of Power,energy,fiery so in 12th house it not become

> > bad for the native so if we offer him which makes him sweet to us.

> > >

> > > It is my little mind says about this Lalkitab " Farmaan " .I am not

> > expert or not have any good knowledge of this Lalkitab,here Kuberji can

> > further comment their expert views on all this.

> > >

> > > Thanks & regards,

> > >

> > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > > PS :- Earlier,I said my personal views at other forum that any planet

> > in 12th house than their Karka-relative will be benefited by

> > us(Native).Mars is brother and he will get from you by all means if you

> > provide it happily than you will get good regards and help of your

> > brother other wise you will not get your brother's support but you have

> > to give him because of placing of mars in 12th.Might be you remember it.

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > rohini_ranjan@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Bohra_ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for trying to explain the astro-logic in the Lal Kitab. With

> > so many vouching for its applicability, there must be something that

> > otherwise intelligent people find attractive and practically utilizable.

> > > >

> > > > Your associating mars with younger brother would make sense to any

> > astrologer who utilizes karakas or at least knows about them. But I

> > could not follow the association with " son " and why the 'milk and

> > sugar?'

> > > >

> > > > The 'welcoming' part does make common-sense. But does that appease

> > the brother (and makes him more friendly) or the mars is another matter.

> > What I am trying to put across is that although we tend to 'address'

> > remedies towards a planet etc, the planets are perhaps only indicators

> > and based on the indicators and indications in the chart, the remedies

> > can be addressed to the karmically-injured party, if you understand what

> > I am trying to submit.

> > > >

> > > > I think the concept perhaps applies to other remedies too,

> > associated with Jyotish -- even if not belonging to its main body.

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " Sudan "

> > <msbohra62@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskarji,

> > > > >

> > > > > It is difficult to understand because words of " Urdu " and " Farshi "

> > but it is totally a remedy suggested kitab for any bad result of planet

> > because of their placing.If we do our duties in well manner than bad

> > effects of that placing will not effect on us,as like Mars in 12th house

> > gives so many quarrel with peole and bad effect on younger brother.If

> > the person who have this will always have good relation with his younger

> > brother and son than bad effect of Mars will nullify.He have to offer

> > milk with sugar to his brother and always welcome him at his residence.

> > > > >

> > > > > In general if we have good relation with our younger brother than

> > Mars will do good for us and it is our duty to have love with

> > brothers.as like this so many remedies are their in Lalkitab.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What Kulbir ji is trying to put across is that, even for those

> > whom its difficult to understand the Lalkitab, if one keeps reading the

> > " Farmaans " continously,then the meanings would start coming in the mind

> > automatically. (I believe this from experience and agree to it). Which

> > is why it is said that when one observes any placement in the Horoscope,

> > read the " Farmaans " before speaking out the predictions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Sudan "

> > <msbohra62@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What I have understand about the " Farmaan " of Lalkitab that we

> > have duties towards every family members,society and Nature to pay,if we

> > failed to pay our duties than a certain imbalance is occurs for that we

> > have to pay by all means.If we are consciously paying our duties than

> > our life become easy with minimum hurdles.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It says live with respect toward all in this universe because

> > your existence is depend on every factor of this universe if you will

> > brake any rule than an accident will happened and you will get bad

> > results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The remedies of Lalkitab are also makes us understand that

> > what we have did so that we have this problem before us,when we pay

> > accordingly than we get relief.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If my understanding(The secrets) is wrong than please correct

> > me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > , " kulbir "

> > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Very Dear Bhaskar Ji,

> > > > > > > > no matter how many explanatory commentaries one reads the

> > basic guideline given by Pt. Ji. never fails " is kitab me samudrik ki

> > alph be (35 harf) mukkamamil taur par dene ki koshish ki gayi hai magar

> > chunki ek farmaan doosre se bilkul juda hi hota chala gaya hai isliye

> > tamam ki tamam hi kitab ko shuru se aakhir tak kayi dafa baar-bar bataur

> > novel (beshak bagair samajhe hi) padhate jaana khud b khud hi majmoon ke

> > bhed bata dega "

> > > > > > > > roughly translated - although every attempt has been made to

> > thoroughly incorporate the principles of samudrik ( all inclusive)

> > knowledge but as one dictum differs completely from the other , it is

> > suggested to read the complete book again and again (sometimes even

> > without understanding) this way it will reveal all its secrets to the

> > reader.

> > > > > > > > there is no other alternative to it.

> > > > > > > > Regards.

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Frankly speaking, I have the original versions of both

> > soft copy

> > > > > > > > > gifted by one of the Big Names of LalKitab(Under promise

> > not to share it with anyone)and the hard copies purchased from

> > Gowswamiji. These hard copies are lying unused and collecting dust

> > because its difficult to understand. Just a transilteration means

> > something but not everything. One cannot understand the dictums unless

> > somebody explains, and there is no explanations offered in these books.

> > Its just like the Bhagavad Gita which one needs a " Purport " written

> > alongwith " Comments " written by the author-(Reauthor) to understand.

> > Which is why I requested Shri Yogiraj ji to please write a book which

> > explains how to use the Lalkitab. he is a great man and a very good

> > writer of Hindi Language and many other languages as I know him to be.

> > But awaiting when he gets the time to do this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The original transiliterations means nothing for one who

> > whould like to practise the Lalkitab. This is my personal view. One

> > needs a Guru to teach him how to use these.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " kulbir "

> > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Very Dear Bhaskar ji; This will make you feel proud.

> > > > > > > > > > Sh. Yog Raj Prabhakar Ji had printed and published the

> > 1941 version in transcript of hindi; i mean only the script was changed

> > but words; even line number and page number remained the same. its cost

> > was Rs. 400. While i was reading Shri Rohini Ji's message i got a call

> > from him that he is going to release Ebook version of this Hindi

> > Transliteration of 'LalKitab Teesra Hissa-1941' done by him to general

> > public shortly. Now Everyone in the world can have the opportunity of

> > reading and printing 1941 version of this Great Manuscript.

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir jee,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your response. Much apprecited!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in

> > 1939 AD;

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940

> > AD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab

> > published in 1952 AD.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari

> > Lal; resident of Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the

> > name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District

> > Kangra is mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter).

> > > > > > > > > > > > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and

> > contact address mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta

> > Photo Shop; Dharmshala; Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son

> > of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District

> > Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served

> > in Defense accounts and retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was

> > posted at different places in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay,

> > Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure. He expired on

> > 24-12-1982.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji

> > were first cousins.

> > > > > > > > > > > > These books were written in Urdu script and

> > published in a small number. Over the years English and hindi took the

> > centre stage, pushing Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in

> > 1990's in hindi but had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's

> > translation caught fancy of every one who laid his eyes on it and it

> > further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member here and although familiar with

> > jyotish for a while now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few

> > years ago and it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra.

> > I think a scanned copy exists on Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee.

> > Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I am not sure which EDITION

> > this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I hope I am not

> > bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions. Perhaps I

> > should google -- one of these days!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition;

> > not many practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally

> > consult 52, 42 and 41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received

> > that much interest and henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this

> > field so i have no data to support; my knowledge is only of academic

> > interest.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whenever i come across a practical application;

> > i will surely share it with you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal

> > Kitab. It would be interesting to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have some examples to show the

> > application/working to make it more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understandable and meaningful.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would be grateful.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or

> > Jupiter are in house no. 5, if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy

> > the throne i.e house no. 1, then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother

> > will be a girl (mercury); There

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be health related complications which

> > will end with the birth of such

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl child.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother

> > is a male then the enemy planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and

> > will treat it as such; the life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or death of such male child will de

> > determined by the degree of conflict

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1

> > if then enemy planets of Sun or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then

> > GENERALLY the child in the womb of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health

> > related complications which will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > end with the death of such girl child.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan

> > 1940 edition;

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua

> > Jupiter in house no.5; there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are some really interesting observations in

> > other editions;

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl

> > child and Jupiter 5 mention.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%40yaho\

> > ogroups.com>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be

> > born in most of the cases.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation?

> > Some astrologers have been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako

> > Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB

> > have proved their fallacy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any doubt.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially

> > the second part.As far as I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far

> > begetting children , guru in fifth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > causes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the

> > cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta

> > <vchiranjiv@>* wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re:

> > Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > <%40yaho\

> > ogroups.com>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be

> > problemetic. The person/native will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R

> > ash.rsh55 >* wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology]

> > Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > . com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord

> > signifying all that you said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac

> > signifying guru,dharma etcc, is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma

> > house signifying children, would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or

> > will it make the first born

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think

> > it will make both the the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual.

> > What do you say?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar

> > <justcoolout@ >* wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology]

> > Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > . com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis

> > reside ,its the place of ultimate

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter

> > doesnt like it as compared to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day

> > religious work ,looking after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas

> > ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter

> > more happy than the ownership

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries

> > ascendant and 12th house venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran

> > <chandran_manoj@ >*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology]

> > Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > . com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but,

> > unfortunately Pisces is not a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the

> > " negative " sign of Jupiter and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is

> > exalted there. I have seen many

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in

> > Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other

> > afflictions) .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** Vidya vidyakmr >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > . com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11

> > AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology]

> > Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you

> > learn that? It was so beautiful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > . com, deepen thakkar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always

> > interested inÂ Â uniting 2 souls

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds

> > himself exalted in pisces ,where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pisces

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of

> > true knowledge and also 2 fishes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true

> > union between 2 souls can only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding,

> > patient and pious which are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while

> > finds itself in debility in virgo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bcoz

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthanaÂ and mecury

> > as an immature student is always

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his

> > learning attitude while jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies

> > beneath itself and he has to not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf

> > in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta

> > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@

> > ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_

> > astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > . com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59

> > AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different

> > for the two signs! Jupiter takes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra

> > rules over earth and air!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the

> > sagi fires and there's a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Piscean

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11

> > relationships)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we

> > might get into challenging

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > situations!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@

> > .co. in>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as

> > inimical. I spoke about the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considerations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > . com, neelam gupta

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as

> > per Laghu Parashari). Being both

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a

> > cause?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're

> > both inimical to each other. No

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal

> > <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or

> > Brihaspati, but their children who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of

> > course I could be entirely

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > . com<ancient_

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indian_

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ >

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that

> > Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they

> > inimical to each other ? If so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces

> > in sign of Jupiter ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Combination

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to

> > be one of the best when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unafflcited,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik

> > sukha (Material Life happiness

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they

> > still considered in enemy camps

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the

> > day now, going to have darshan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality.

> > YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://in..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com/ <http://in./>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality.

> > YOURS! See your Homepage<

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality.

> > YOURS! See your Homepage<

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality.

> > YOURS! See your Homepage<

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality.

> > YOURS! See your Homepage<

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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December 18, 2009

Dear Rohini ranjanji,Mars cools only under shani's care / stare. Um.. could you elaborate. Shani exalted is supposed to make a person very hardworking. But my dad has exalted shani with mars in libra in 6th house and he is neither hard working nor cool. Regards,Anita--- On Fri, 18/12/09, rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan wrote:rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan Re: Lalkitab Good News; Date: Friday, 18 December, 2009, 3:00 AM

Mars *cools* only under Shani's care/stare! It is that simple!!

Ever wonder why ENERGY flows so much more efficiently when in a "super-cooled" environment? We have so many engineers in the Jyotish environment. Surely the analogy must not be lost on them!

Rohiniranjan

ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sudan" <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear Boss ,

>

> It was reply to Rohiniji what they have asked me not a advise to any one.I have stated as I have read in a Lalkitab.

>

> I have clearly stated that "I am not a expert" than what is the matter with so many question marks ?If i does not have command on any school of Astrology than i never say that I am the expert and can teach others.Member are reading my massage and can understand well what advise have been given them and in what reference.

>

> For rest of your questions please read my that massage properly,where I have stated Sun is lord of 1st house ?If in any chart a malefic Mars is in 8th house than what you will advise ?

>

> At least you have came out with some Lalkiitab references after my that post.

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> >

> > Boss,

> > Very nice to see you here.

> >

> > It says in Lalkitab that if a person have Mars in 12th than Mars will

> > become

> > auspicious for him after 28th year and if he have the son in 28th year

> > than Mars

> > become more auspicious for him.So son is also consider. Even if the

> > son is born in the 24 th year benefic results can be expected. (Read my

> > comments at the end of this Mail)

> > In my view,in 'Kalpurush kudali' Son is represent by 5th lord,Sun and

> > Mars is

> > 1st and 8th lord.12th house is 8th house of son chart,5 to 8th.and from

> > 12th

> > ,5th is 6th house,so equation is 6 & 8th from each other.If we don't

> > good

> > relation with son (5th) than sun(5th lord) become very harmful for

> > us(Mars as

> > 1st,8th lord).If we make enemy(son,6th from 12th)or cool us(Mars) than

> > we

> > doesn't have any problem. If You are talking abou the "Kalapurusha

> > Kundli " at one side then how can the Sun be the Lord of the 1st House ?

> > You are saying above that Sun is Lord of the 1st and Mars is Lord of

> > the 8th . On the other side you are saying "If we don't good relation

> > with son (5th) than sun(5th lord) become very harmful for us' . This

> > seems contradictory. Dosent it ? And how can Mars cool us ?

> >

> > Why to offer Milk and sugar to them means,Milk represent by Moon and

> > sugar by

> > Jupiter.It is said that fiery Mars can be cooled by Moon and if we add

> > more

> > power to Jupiter by adding sugar than it works as a catalyst.

> > Mars is planet of Power,energy, fiery so in 12th house it not become bad

> > for the

> > native so if we offer him which makes him sweet to us.

> >

> > It is my little mind says about this Lalkitab "Farmaan".I am not expert