Does Gochara NEVER over-rides dasa?

December 15, 2009

Dear Learned friendsI was going through the discussions going on in another thread in this group itself, with the subject line as "Ashtakvarga". Within this discussion, a question rose whether "Gochara can over-ride dasa?" This question attracted my attention and I thought of sharing my personal experience just last month.I had a close shave with death last month only. I have been a healthy person in the sense that I have never been to a doctor since my childhood for any serious ailment. No apparent illnesses till date (at the age of 53). Every thing was going perfectly fine with me till the first week of November 2009.Suddenly, around 5th November 2009, I started feeling breathlessness. For first few days, I took it very lightly and thought it to be a cause of weather-change which usually gives me temporary cough and cold every year for few days and disappears on its own, without the help of any medicine. I thought that this year, cough problem is little more severe and is causing this breathlessness. A few more days passed in this hope and I remained careless.After about a week, when the problem did not subsided, and I felt that it is increasing day-by-day, I went to my cardiologist friend. On examination and after various tests, he was just stunned that somebody may be so careless about his health. He immediately referred me to Fortis hospital, Noida. My hearth's left ventricle was functioning at only 20% to 25% capacity at that time (in doctor's report, written as "Severe LV dysfunction - LVEF 20-25%; Acute left ventricular failure (recovered); Acute coronary syndrome; mild mitral regurgitation).I was admitted to MICU for 36 hrs and then remained in CCU for next 6 days. Thereafter, another 5 days in hospital's private room. (15th november to 26th November 2009). Severe problem was overcome and my heath improved. I was discharged from hospital with the advise of complete rest for next few months.With the above description of a major incident of my life, I come to the main point. At the time of my illness, I was running Vimshottari dasa of Mercury-Venus-Sun. Mercury is my ascendant lord as-well-as fourth lord. Venus, though 12th lord also, but also the 5th lord, posited in the 10th house with ascendant lord. Both the Vimshottari dasa lords are my best functional benefics. My current period, since the start of Mercury-Venus, is one of my best period of life, professionally as well as in other areas of life. My daughter's marriage took place in May 2009, my new home is nearing completion in this period and many other such good things.Then what was the cause of this incident. I could not relate it to vimshottari dasa in any way. However, answer is very clear when I saw transits around 5th November 2009. Ketu in Natal Lagna, Rahu & Saturn aspecting Lagna, ascendant lord Mercury, sandwiched between Saturn and Sun and Mars aspecting it, no benefic aspects on Lagna as well as Lagna lord, in transit chart.Now see the Ashtakvarga transits. On 5th November 2009, after 14:30 hrs, all seven planets (except two nodes) were in "Non-contributor's kakshyas". This is one of the worst possible scenarios in terms of asktakvarga, one may expect, and comes very rarely in one's life. This planetary configuration remained for me till 8:30 am of 6th November 2009. After 8:30 hrs on 6th november, Moon moved to a "Contributor's kakshya" but still, then, rest of the 6 planets were "Non-contributor's kakshya". My Lagna lord Mercury was with ONE benefic point only, in a very weak SAV sign (19 points only) and that too in a non-contributor's kakshya.The above mentioned ashtakvarga configuration was repeated many times during next one week. For example, see my transit chart of 8th Nov. 2009 (10:00 am), 10th Nov. 2009 (10:00 am), when all seven planets were in "Non-contributor's kakshyas". My birth-data is as follows:28th March 195712:45 hrs (Noon)Bulandshahr (U.P.) (028N24; 077E51)[Ascendant Gemini, Moon in Aquarius, shatbhisha nakshatra]I hope, the above example will unveil the myth that "Gochara NEVER over-rides dasa?"Warm regards,Shyam S Kansal

December 15, 2009

Dear Shyamji,

Full wishes for your complete recovery.

Your Mercury is also 4th house lord and Venus is also 12th house lord.

Gochara also contributes and is immediate trigger.

You were looking at Mercury as 1st lord and Venus as 5th only.

Interestingly you have got 4th and 12th fala.

It will be interesting if learned members give explanations for the reason of the these two houses being activated instead of 1st and 5th.

Also Shyamji 12th activated may mean you will be more perceptive now. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Tue, 15/12/09, Shyam S. Kansal <jyotishee wrote:

Shyam S. Kansal <jyotishee Does Gochara NEVER over-rides dasa? Date: Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 11:56 AM

Dear Learned friendsI was going through the discussions going on in another thread in this group itself, with the subject line as "Ashtakvarga". Within this discussion, a question rose whether "Gochara can over-ride dasa?" This question attracted my attention and I thought of sharing my personal experience just last month.I had a close shave with death last month only. I have been a healthy person in the sense that I have never been to a doctor since my childhood for any serious ailment. No apparent illnesses till date (at the age of 53). Every thing was going perfectly fine with me till the first week of November 2009.Suddenly, around 5th November 2009, I started feeling breathlessness. For first few days, I took it very lightly and thought it to be a cause of weather-change which usually gives me temporary cough and cold every year for few days and disappears on its own, without the

help of any medicine. I thought that this year, cough problem is little more severe and is causing this breathlessness. A few more days passed in this hope and I remained careless.After about a week, when the problem did not subsided, and I felt that it is increasing day-by-day, I went to my cardiologist friend. On examination and after various tests, he was just stunned that somebody may be so careless about his health. He immediately referred me to Fortis hospital, Noida. My hearth's left ventricle was functioning at only 20% to 25% capacity at that time (in doctor's report, written as "Severe LV dysfunction - LVEF 20-25%; Acute left ventricular failure (recovered); Acute coronary syndrome; mild mitral regurgitation).I was admitted to MICU for 36 hrs and then remained in CCU for next 6 days. Thereafter, another 5 days in hospital's private room. (15th

november to 26th November 2009). Severe problem was overcome and my heath improved. I was discharged from hospital with the advise of complete rest for next few months.With the above description of a major incident of my life, I come to the main point. At the time of my illness, I was running Vimshottari dasa of Mercury-Venus- Sun. Mercury is my ascendant lord as-well-as fourth lord. Venus, though 12th lord also, but also the 5th lord, posited in the 10th house with ascendant lord. Both the Vimshottari dasa lords are my best functional benefics. My current period, since the start of Mercury-Venus, is one of my best period of life, professionally as well as in other areas of life. My daughter's marriage took place in May 2009, my new home is nearing completion in this period and many other such good things.Then what was the cause of this incident. I could not relate it to vimshottari dasa in any way. However, answer is very clear

when I saw transits around 5th November 2009. Ketu in Natal Lagna, Rahu & Saturn aspecting Lagna, ascendant lord Mercury, sandwiched between Saturn and Sun and Mars aspecting it, no benefic aspects on Lagna as well as Lagna lord, in transit chart.Now see the Ashtakvarga transits. On 5th November 2009, after 14:30 hrs, all seven planets (except two nodes) were in "Non-contributor' s kakshyas". This is one of the worst possible scenarios in terms of asktakvarga, one may expect, and comes very rarely in one's life. This planetary configuration remained for me till 8:30 am of 6th November 2009. After 8:30 hrs on 6th november, Moon moved to a "Contributor' s kakshya" but still, then, rest of the 6 planets were "Non-contributor' s kakshya". My Lagna lord Mercury was with ONE benefic point only, in a very weak SAV sign (19 points only) and that too in a non-contributor' s kakshya.The above

mentioned ashtakvarga configuration was repeated many times during next one week. For example, see my transit chart of 8th Nov. 2009 (10:00 am), 10th Nov. 2009 (10:00 am), when all seven planets were in "Non-contributor' s kakshyas". My birth-data is as follows:28th March 195712:45 hrs (Noon)Bulandshahr (U.P.) (028N24; 077E51)[Ascendant Gemini, Moon in Aquarius, shatbhisha nakshatra]I hope, the above example will unveil the myth that "Gochara NEVER over-rides dasa?"Warm regards,Shyam S Kansal

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December 15, 2009

Dear Shyam Ji,

Lagna is 29 Ge 19" at the edge of the sign, but strengthened by being Vargottam. Rahu at 27 Li 16" is very closely aspecting Lagna. He is also aspecting the Moon. Any time Rahu/Ketu get close to aspecting Lagna is a potential trigger point in transit. If they also afflict LL then double trouble.

Dasha in Operation is Me-Venus-Sun. All three planets in the same house (Pisces) aspected by their dispositor, retro Jupiter. Jupiter is the Avayogi and Lof64Nv. Me is the Lof22ndDre. Venus and Sun are in Nak of Saturn the 8L. Me is in the Navamsha of Sa the 8L along with Sa and Ju. Venus is debilitated in Navamsha.

(For those of us who consider house placement in D-9, Me, Ju and Sa are in the 8H in D-9, Venus is debilitated in 4H and Sun is in the 6H. Those who consider this blashphemy can ignore this comment).

In transit ofcourse you can see Me-Ve-Sun are all in the same Rashi of Libra aspected by Ketu and Mars. Like you said the Asc is afflicted by the Ra-Ke axis and Saturn.

As you already know very well, any time there is Natal affliction, we have to watch Transit affliction to trigger it, which is what you see here. Yes, one needs to watch out for Transit affliction of Natural Malefics ALL THE TIME, irrespective of Dasha, BUT, major events will fructify ONLY in the proper Dasha period, not otherwise.

You can see from above how Dashsa-Antar-Pratyantar all had strong relation to trouble causing candidates and trouble was triggered during the difficult transit.

Regards,

-Manoj

Shyam S. Kansal <jyotishee Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 11:26:26 PM Does Gochara NEVER over-rides dasa?

Dear Learned friendsI was going through the discussions going on in another thread in this group itself, with the subject line as "Ashtakvarga". Within this discussion, a question rose whether "Gochara can over-ride dasa?" This question attracted my attention and I thought of sharing my personal experience just last month.I had a close shave with death last month only. I have been a healthy person in the sense that I have never been to a doctor since my childhood for any serious ailment. No apparent illnesses till date (at the age of 53). Every thing was going perfectly fine with me till the first week of November 2009.Suddenly, around 5th November 2009, I started feeling breathlessness. For first few days, I took it very lightly and thought it to be a cause of weather-change which usually gives me temporary cough and cold every year for few days and disappears on its own, without the help

of any medicine. I thought that this year, cough problem is little more severe and is causing this breathlessness. A few more days passed in this hope and I remained careless.After about a week, when the problem did not subsided, and I felt that it is increasing day-by-day, I went to my cardiologist friend. On examination and after various tests, he was just stunned that somebody may be so careless about his health. He immediately referred me to Fortis hospital, Noida. My hearth's left ventricle was functioning at only 20% to 25% capacity at that time (in doctor's report, written as "Severe LV dysfunction - LVEF 20-25%; Acute left ventricular failure (recovered); Acute coronary syndrome; mild mitral regurgitation).I was admitted to MICU for 36 hrs and then remained in CCU for next 6 days. Thereafter, another 5 days in hospital's private room. (15th november

to 26th November 2009). Severe problem was overcome and my heath improved. I was discharged from hospital with the advise of complete rest for next few months.With the above description of a major incident of my life, I come to the main point. At the time of my illness, I was running Vimshottari dasa of Mercury-Venus- Sun. Mercury is my ascendant lord as-well-as fourth lord. Venus, though 12th lord also, but also the 5th lord, posited in the 10th house with ascendant lord. Both the Vimshottari dasa lords are my best functional benefics. My current period, since the start of Mercury-Venus, is one of my best period of life, professionally as well as in other areas of life. My daughter's marriage took place in May 2009, my new home is nearing completion in this period and many other such good things.Then what was the cause of this incident. I could not relate it to vimshottari dasa in any way. However, answer is very clear when I saw

transits around 5th November 2009. Ketu in Natal Lagna, Rahu & Saturn aspecting Lagna, ascendant lord Mercury, sandwiched between Saturn and Sun and Mars aspecting it, no benefic aspects on Lagna as well as Lagna lord, in transit chart.Now see the Ashtakvarga transits. On 5th November 2009, after 14:30 hrs, all seven planets (except two nodes) were in "Non-contributor' s kakshyas". This is one of the worst possible scenarios in terms of asktakvarga, one may expect, and comes very rarely in one's life. This planetary configuration remained for me till 8:30 am of 6th November 2009. After 8:30 hrs on 6th november, Moon moved to a "Contributor' s kakshya" but still, then, rest of the 6 planets were "Non-contributor' s kakshya". My Lagna lord Mercury was with ONE benefic point only, in a very weak SAV sign (19 points only) and that too in a non-contributor' s kakshya.The above mentioned

ashtakvarga configuration was repeated many times during next one week. For example, see my transit chart of 8th Nov. 2009 (10:00 am), 10th Nov. 2009 (10:00 am), when all seven planets were in "Non-contributor' s kakshyas". My birth-data is as follows:28th March 195712:45 hrs (Noon)Bulandshahr (U.P.) (028N24; 077E51)[Ascendant Gemini, Moon in Aquarius, shatbhisha nakshatra]I hope, the above example will unveil the myth that "Gochara NEVER over-rides dasa?"Warm regards,Shyam S Kansal

December 15, 2009

Dear all,

Venus is supposed to be maraka for Grmini lagna. (along with Sat & Jup), not a perfect "functional benefic"

Venus at 10H, may spur career growth irrespective of malefic / benefic status. It will also aspect 4H

regards

Chakraborty

On Behalf Of chiranjiv mehtaTuesday, December 15, 2009 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Does Gochara NEVER over-rides dasa?

Dear Shyamji,

Full wishes for your complete recovery.

Your Mercury is also 4th house lord and Venus is also 12th house lord.

Gochara also contributes and is immediate trigger.

You were looking at Mercury as 1st lord and Venus as 5th only.

Interestingly you have got 4th and 12th fala.

It will be interesting if learned members give explanations for the reason of the these two houses being activated instead of 1st and 5th.

Also Shyamji 12th activated may mean you will be more perceptive now. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Tue, 15/12/09, Shyam S. Kansal <jyotishee > wrote:

Shyam S. Kansal <jyotishee > Does Gochara NEVER over-rides dasa? Date: Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 11:56 AM

Dear Learned friendsI was going through the discussions going on in another thread in this group itself, with the subject line as "Ashtakvarga". Within this discussion, a question rose whether "Gochara can over-ride dasa?" This question attracted my attention and I thought of sharing my personal experience just last month.I had a close shave with death last month only. I have been a healthy person in the sense that I have never been to a doctor since my childhood for any serious ailment. No apparent illnesses till date (at the age of 53). Every thing was going perfectly fine with me till the first week of November 2009.Suddenly, around 5th November 2009, I started feeling breathlessness. For first few days, I took it very lightly and thought it to be a cause of weather-change which usually gives me temporary cough and cold every year for few days and disappears on its own, without the help of any medicine. I thought that this year, cough problem is little more severe and is causing this breathlessness. A few more days passed in this hope and I remained careless.After about a week, when the problem did not subsided, and I felt that it is increasing day-by-day, I went to my cardiologist friend. On examination and after various tests, he was just stunned that somebody may be so careless about his health. He immediately referred me to Fortis hospital, Noida. My hearth's left ventricle was functioning at only 20% to 25% capacity at that time (in doctor's report, written as "Severe LV dysfunction - LVEF 20-25%; Acute left ventricular failure (recovered); Acute coronary syndrome; mild mitral regurgitation).I was admitted to MICU for 36 hrs and then remained in CCU for next 6 days. Thereafter, another 5 days in hospital's private room. (15th november to 26th November 2009). Severe problem was overcome and my heath improved. I was discharged from hospital with the advise of complete rest for next few months.With the above description of a major incident of my life, I come to the main point. At the time of my illness, I was running Vimshottari dasa of Mercury-Venus- Sun. Mercury is my ascendant lord as-well-as fourth lord. Venus, though 12th lord also, but also the 5th lord, posited in the 10th house with ascendant lord. Both the Vimshottari dasa lords are my best functional benefics. My current period, since the start of Mercury-Venus, is one of my best period of life, professionally as well as in other areas of life. My daughter's marriage took place in May 2009, my new home is nearing completion in this period and many other such good things.Then what was the cause of this incident. I could not relate it to vimshottari dasa in any way. However, answer is very clear when I saw transits around 5th November 2009. Ketu in Natal Lagna, Rahu & Saturn aspecting Lagna, ascendant lord Mercury, sandwiched between Saturn and Sun and Mars aspecting it, no benefic aspects on Lagna as well as Lagna lord, in transit chart.Now see the Ashtakvarga transits. On 5th November 2009, after 14:30 hrs, all seven planets (except two nodes) were in "Non-contributor' s kakshyas". This is one of the worst possible scenarios in terms of asktakvarga, one may expect, and comes very rarely in one's life. This planetary configuration remained for me till 8:30 am of 6th November 2009. After 8:30 hrs on 6th november, Moon moved to a "Contributor' s kakshya" but still, then, rest of the 6 planets were "Non-contributor' s kakshya". My Lagna lord Mercury was with ONE benefic point only, in a very weak SAV sign (19 points only) and that too in a non-contributor' s kakshya.The above mentioned ashtakvarga configuration was repeated many times during next one week. For example, see my transit chart of 8th Nov. 2009 (10:00 am), 10th Nov. 2009 (10:00 am), when all seven planets were in "Non-contributor' s kakshyas". My birth-data is as follows:28th March 195712:45 hrs (Noon)Bulandshahr (U.P.) (028N24; 077E51)[Ascendant Gemini, Moon in Aquarius, shatbhisha nakshatra]I hope, the above example will unveil the myth that "Gochara NEVER over-rides dasa?"Warm regards,Shyam S Kansal

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December 15, 2009

Dear Manojji,

The moral of the story seems to be Gochara

cannot override dasa. Dasa sequence has to agree for the fructification of the

event and then the transit triggers it.

Regards

Santhosh