Guest guest Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Dear ones,am sharing a part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!!//Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma. The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs. Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition. The "partner" to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results. It implies testing the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable. Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of "red flagging" something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction. An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas. Those are "fighting words" to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong. What can be meant by this odd statement? Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message. In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native. Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala. There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties. Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as a triply powerful malefic. In this way it may give an outcome akin to a debilitated graha...In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!! The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha. In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time. It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting "corners" of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place. For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes? Where are computers mentioned? How do we deal with artificial insemination? If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.//Love and regards,gopi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Dear Gopi Ji, I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression is Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed). Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. The concept of treating retrogression as an "affliction" is a "Western" astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an "afflicted planet". Just broadly treating retrograde planets as "weak" and "unable to deliver results" does not work in practice. Regards, -Manoj gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM RETROGRESSION Dear ones,am sharing a part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!!//Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma. The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs.Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition. The "partner" to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results. It implies testing the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable.Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of "red flagging" something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction. An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas. Those are "fighting words" to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong. What can be meant by this odd statement? Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message. In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native. Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala. There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties. Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as a triply powerful malefic. In this way it may give an outcome akin to a debilitated graha...In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!! The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha. In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time. It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting "corners" of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place. For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes? Where are computers mentioned? How do we deal with artificial insemination? If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.//Love and regards,gopi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde. The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation(At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. regards/Bhaskar. , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Gopi Ji,> > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression is Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed). Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > The concept of treating retrogression as an "affliction" is a "Western" astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an "afflicted planet". Just broadly treating retrograde planets as "weak" and "unable to deliver results" does not work in practice.>  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > ________________________________> gopalakrishna gopi_b927 > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM> RETROGRESSION> >  > Dear ones,> am sharing a part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!!> //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition >  > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma. The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs.> > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.  > > The "partner" to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results. It implies testing the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable.> > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of "red flagging" something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction. An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas. Those are "fighting words" to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong.  > > What can be meant by this odd statement? Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message. In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native. Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala. There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties. Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as a triply powerful malefic. In this way it may give an outcome akin to a debilitated graha...> > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!! The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha.  > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time. It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting "corners" of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place. For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes? Where are computers mentioned? How do we deal with artificial insemination? If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.//> Love and regards,> gopi.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Dear Manoj ji,Yes.I also agree with you....Love and regards,gopi. , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Gopi Ji,> > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression is Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed). Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > The concept of treating retrogression as an "affliction" is a "Western" astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an "afflicted planet". Just broadly treating retrograde planets as "weak" and "unable to deliver results" does not work in practice.>  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > ________________________________> gopalakrishna gopi_b927 > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM> RETROGRESSION> >  > Dear ones,> am sharing a part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!!> //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition >  > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma. The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs.> > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.  > > The "partner" to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results. It implies testing the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable.> > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of "red flagging" something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction. An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas. Those are "fighting words" to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong.  > > What can be meant by this odd statement? Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message. In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native. Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala. There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties. Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as a triply powerful malefic. In this way it may give an outcome akin to a debilitated graha...> > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!! The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha.  > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time. It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting "corners" of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place. For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes? Where are computers mentioned? How do we deal with artificial insemination? If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.//> Love and regards,> gopi.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji,Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets, considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro?Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro?suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer?regards, Anita--- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: RETROGRESSION Date: Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde. The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Gopi Ji,> > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression is Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed). Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > The concept of treating retrogression as an "affliction" is a "Western" astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an "afflicted planet". Just broadly treating retrograde planets as "weak" and "unable to deliver results" does not work in practice.>  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> gopalakrishna gopi_b927@.. .> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION> >  > Dear ones,> am sharing a part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!!> //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition >  > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma. The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs.> > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.  > > The "partner" to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results. It implies testing the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable.> > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of "red flagging" something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction. An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas. Those are "fighting words" to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong.  > > What can be meant by this odd statement? Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message. In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native. Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala. There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties. Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as a triply powerful malefic. In this way it may give an outcome akin to a debilitated graha...> > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!! The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha.  > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time. It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting "corners" of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place. For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes? Where are computers mentioned? How do we deal with artificial insemination? If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.//> Love and regards,> gopi.> The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Dear Anita ji, I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command. regards, Bhaskar. , Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets, considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro? > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro? > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer? > regards, > Anita > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > Re: RETROGRESSION > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM >  > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.  > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > regards/Bhaskar. > >  > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression is Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed). Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an " affliction " is a " Western " astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an " afflicted planet " . Just broadly treating retrograde planets as " weak " and " unable to deliver results " does not work in practice. > >  > > Regards, > >  -Manoj > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION > > > >  > > Dear ones, > > am sharing a part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!! > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > >  > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma. The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs. > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.  > > > > The " partner " to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results. It implies testing the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable. > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of " red flagging " something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction. An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas. Those are " fighting words " to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong.  > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement? Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message. In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native. Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala. There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties. Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as a triply powerful malefic. In this way it may give an outcome akin to a > debilitated graha... > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!! The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha.  > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time. It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting " corners " of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place. For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes? Where are computers mentioned? How do we deal with artificial insemination? If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.// > > Love and regards, > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji,How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? Actually, if you were not so "relaxed", the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . Regards, Anita--- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: RETROGRESSION Date: Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM Dear Anita ji, I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command. regards, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets, considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro? > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro? > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer? > regards, > Anita > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.  > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > regards/Bhaskar. > >  > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression is Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed). Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an "affliction" is a "Western" astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an "afflicted planet". Just broadly treating retrograde planets as "weak" and "unable to deliver results" does not work in practice. > >  > > Regards, > >  -Manoj > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION > > > >  > > Dear ones, > > am sharing a part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!! > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > >  > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma. The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs. > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.  > > > > The "partner" to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results. It implies testing the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable. > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of "red flagging" something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction. An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas. Those are "fighting words" to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong.  > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement? Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message. In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native. Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala. There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties. Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as a triply powerful malefic. In this way it may give an outcome akin to a > debilitated graha... > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!! The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha.  > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time. It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting "corners" of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place. For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes? Where are computers mentioned? How do we deal with artificial insemination? If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.// > > Love and regards, > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Dear Anita ji, You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse. yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . try it. regards/Bhaskar. , Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > Actually, if you were not so " relaxed " , the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > Regards, > Anita > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > Re: RETROGRESSION > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM >  > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets, considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro? > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro? > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer? > > > regards, > > > Anita > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.  > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > >  > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression is Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed). Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an " affliction " is a " Western " astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an " afflicted planet " . Just broadly treating retrograde planets as " weak " and " unable to deliver results " does not work in practice. > > > >  > > > > Regards, > > > >  -Manoj > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear ones, > > > > am sharing a part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!! > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > >  > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma. The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.  > > > > > > > > The " partner " to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results. It implies testing the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable. > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of " red flagging " something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction. An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas. Those are " fighting words " to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong.  > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement? Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message. In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native. Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala. There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties. Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as a triply powerful malefic. In this way it may give > an outcome akin to a > > > debilitated graha... > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!! The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha.  > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time. It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting " corners " of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place. For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes? Where are computers mentioned? How do we deal with artificial insemination? If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.// > > > > Love and regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Dear Anita ji, Suppose you have a Retro mercury in your Birth Chart. Suppose you write a romantic Novel and then give it to the Publishers for approval. You will never receive your approval till the Mercury turns retrograde in transit. As simple as this.(Treat all planets in retro at your Birth time, in same manner). People talk of retrogression, but nobody talks of what will happen when. I talk only about Predictive Astrology and inputs which can help in predictions. I dont believe in nonsense articles or theories which mean nothing, which teach nothing, which help in no ways. Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Anita ji, > > You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse. > > yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . > > try it. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > , Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > > Actually, if you were not so " relaxed " , the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > > Regards, > > Anita > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets, considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro? > > > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro? > > > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer? > > > > > regards, > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. > > > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. > > > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.  > > > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > > > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression is Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed). Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an " affliction " is a " Western " astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an " afflicted planet " . Just broadly treating retrograde planets as " weak " and " unable to deliver results " does not work in practice. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear ones, > > > > > > am sharing a part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!! > > > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > > > >  > > > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma. The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.  > > > > > > > > > > > > The " partner " to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results. It implies testing the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of " red flagging " something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction. An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas. Those are " fighting words " to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong.  > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement? Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message. In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native. Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala. There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties. Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as a triply powerful malefic. In this way it may give > > an outcome akin to a > > > > > debilitated graha... > > > > > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!! The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha.  > > > > > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time. It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting " corners " of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place. For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes? Where are computers mentioned? How do we deal with artificial insemination? If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.// > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 dear bhaskarji, there is a small window opening up for 2 days...jan.13th and 14th 2010 when there are 3 planets that will be retro...saturn, mars and mercury. for somebody having these same 3 planets retro in the natal chart what should be expected??? talking only in practical terms...no theory here. :) vinita , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Anita ji, > > Suppose you have a Retro mercury in your Birth Chart. Suppose you write a romantic Novel and then give it to the Publishers for approval. You will never receive your approval till the Mercury turns retrograde in transit. As simple as this.(Treat all planets in retro at your Birth time, in same manner). > > People talk of retrogression, but nobody talks of what will happen when. I talk only about Predictive Astrology and inputs which can help in predictions. I dont believe in nonsense articles or theories which mean nothing, which teach nothing, which help in no ways. > > Bhaskar. > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse. > > > > yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . > > > > try it. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > > > Actually, if you were not so " relaxed " , the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > > > Regards, > > > Anita > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets, considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > > > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro? > > > > > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro? > > > > > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer? > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. > > > > > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. > > > > > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.  > > > > > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > > > > > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression is Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed). Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an " affliction " is a " Western " astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an " afflicted planet " . Just broadly treating retrograde planets as " weak " and " unable to deliver results " does not work in practice. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear ones, > > > > > > > > am sharing a part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!! > > > > > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma. The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " partner " to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results. It implies testing the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of " red flagging " something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction. An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas. Those are " fighting words " to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement? Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message. In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native. Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala. There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties. Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as a triply powerful malefic. In this way it may give > > > an outcome akin to a > > > > > > > debilitated graha... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!! The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time. It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting " corners " of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place. For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes? Where are computers mentioned? How do we deal with artificial insemination? If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.// > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Dear Bhaskar Ji, Thank you for your valuable tips. However, I think it is possible this can be misuderstood. I think what you emphasize is "the most significant even indicated by that planet will not happen until it turns retrograde in transit". I like your example. While you may be able to complete writing the Book while Me is direct, it may not get approved for publishing until it turns retrograde, is what you are explaining. Am I correct? Regards, -Manoj Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 9:43:56 AM Re: RETROGRESSION Dear Anita ji,Suppose you have a Retro mercury in your Birth Chart. Suppose you write a romantic Novel and then give it to the Publishers for approval. You will never receive your approval till the Mercury turns retrograde in transit. As simple as this.(Treat all planets in retro at your Birth time, in same manner). People talk of retrogression, but nobody talks of what will happen when. I talk only about Predictive Astrology and inputs which can help in predictions. I dont believe in nonsense articles or theories which mean nothing, which teach nothing, which help in no ways.Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Anita ji,> > You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse.> > yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . > > try it.> > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskarji,> > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > > Actually, if you were not so "relaxed", the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > > Regards, > > Anita> > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ >> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ..> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets, considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro?> > > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro?> > > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer?> > > > > regards, > > > > > Anita> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part.> > > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc.> > > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.  > > > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream.> > > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression is Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed). Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an "affliction" is a "Western" astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an "afflicted planet". Just broadly treating retrograde planets as "weak" and "unable to deliver results" does not work in practice.> > > > > >  > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >  -Manoj> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ .> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION> > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear ones,> > > > > > am sharing a part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!!> > > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > > > >  > > > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma. The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs.> > > > > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.  > > > > > > > > > > > > The "partner" to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results. It implies testing the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable.> > > > > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of "red flagging" something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction. An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas. Those are "fighting words" to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong.  > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement? Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message. In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native. Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala. There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties. Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as a triply powerful malefic. In this way it may give> > an outcome akin to a> > > > > debilitated graha...> > > > > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!! The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha.  > > > > > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time. It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting "corners" of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place. For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes? Where are computers mentioned? How do we deal with artificial insemination? If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.//> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > gopi.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, Exactly . " The most significant event " signified to happen in a particular dasha by a retrograde planet at Birth, will not happen, till that planet turns retro in Gochar was what i meant as rightly understood by your goodself. In the example I gave that Book will not be published till that Mer.gets retro (If the mercury signifies publishing of that book and so does the antar dasha period allow.) Kind regards, bhaskar. , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > Thank you for your valuable tips. However, I think it is possible this can be misuderstood. I think what you emphasize is " the most significant even indicated by that planet will not happen until it turns retrograde in transit " . > >  I like your example. While you may be able to complete writing the Book while Me is direct, it may not get approved for publishing until it turns retrograde, is what you are explaining. Am I correct? >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ________________________________ > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > Tue, December 22, 2009 9:43:56 AM > Re: RETROGRESSION > >  > Dear Anita ji, > > Suppose you have a Retro mercury in your Birth Chart. Suppose you write a romantic Novel and then give it to the Publishers for approval. You will never receive your approval till the Mercury turns retrograde in transit. As simple as this.(Treat all planets in retro at your Birth time, in same manner). > > People talk of retrogression, but nobody talks of what will happen when. I talk only about Predictive Astrology and inputs which can help in predictions. I dont believe in nonsense articles or theories which mean nothing, which teach nothing, which help in no ways. > > Bhaskar. > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse. > > > > yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . > > > > try it. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > > > Actually, if you were not so " relaxed " , the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > > > Regards, > > > Anita > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets, considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > > > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro? > > > > > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro? > > > > > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer? > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. > > > > > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. > > > > > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.  > > > > > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > > > > > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression isÃÆ'‚ Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed).ÃÆ'‚ Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an " affliction " is a " Western " astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an " afflicted planet " .ÃÆ'‚ Just broadly treating retrograde planets as " weak " andÃÆ'‚ " unable to deliver results " does not work in practice. > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ -Manoj > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Dear ones, > > > > > > > > am sharing aÃÆ'‚ part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!! > > > > > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma.ÃÆ'‚ The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " partner " to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results.ÃÆ'‚ It implies testingÃÆ'‚ the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of " red flagging " something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction.ÃÆ'‚ An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas.ÃÆ'‚ Those are " fighting words " to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong. ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement?ÃÆ'‚ Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message.ÃÆ'‚ In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native.ÃÆ'‚ Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala.ÃÆ'‚ There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties.ÃÆ'‚ Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as > a triply powerful malefic.ÃÆ'‚ In this way it may give > > > an outcome akin to a > > > > > > > debilitated graha... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!!ÃÆ'‚ The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha. ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time.ÃÆ'‚ It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting " corners " of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place.ÃÆ'‚ For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes?ÃÆ'‚ Where are computers mentioned?ÃÆ'‚ How do we deal with artificial insemination?ÃÆ'‚ If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.// > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Dear Vinita ji., What should be expected - depends on what those planets signify for that particular horoscope actually. Saturn may signify marriage to one native and for another it may signify Divorce. Mars may signify Partnership between two brothers in a horoscope while in other it may signify partitions. so this depends on individual horoscopes. regards, Bhaskar. , " vinita " <shankar_mamta wrote: > > dear bhaskarji, > > there is a small window opening up for 2 days...jan.13th and 14th 2010 when there are 3 planets that will be retro...saturn, mars and mercury. for somebody having these same 3 planets retro in the natal chart what should be expected??? > > talking only in practical terms...no theory here. :) > > vinita > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > Suppose you have a Retro mercury in your Birth Chart. Suppose you write a romantic Novel and then give it to the Publishers for approval. You will never receive your approval till the Mercury turns retrograde in transit. As simple as this.(Treat all planets in retro at your Birth time, in same manner). > > > > People talk of retrogression, but nobody talks of what will happen when. I talk only about Predictive Astrology and inputs which can help in predictions. I dont believe in nonsense articles or theories which mean nothing, which teach nothing, which help in no ways. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse. > > > > > > yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . > > > > > > try it. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > > > > Actually, if you were not so " relaxed " , the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > > > > Regards, > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets, considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > > > > > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro? > > > > > > > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro? > > > > > > > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer? > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. > > > > > > > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. > > > > > > > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.  > > > > > > > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > > > > > > > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression is Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed). Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an " affliction " is a " Western " astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an " afflicted planet " . Just broadly treating retrograde planets as " weak " and " unable to deliver results " does not work in practice. > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear ones, > > > > > > > > > > am sharing a part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!! > > > > > > > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma. The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " partner " to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results. It implies testing the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of " red flagging " something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction. An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas. Those are " fighting words " to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement? Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message. In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native. Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala. There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties. Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as a triply powerful malefic. In this way it may give > > > > an outcome akin to a > > > > > > > > > debilitated graha... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!! The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time. It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting " corners " of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place. For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes? Where are computers mentioned? How do we deal with artificial insemination? If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.// > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji,I will certainly try and check this out. My dear hubby has 3 retros and my daughter 2.Will get back to you after I do some digging.Regards, Anita--- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: RETROGRESSION Date: Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 3:32 PM Dear Anita ji, You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse. yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . try it. regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > Actually, if you were not so "relaxed", the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > Regards, > Anita > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets, considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro? > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro? > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer? > > > regards, > > > Anita > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.  > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > >  > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression is Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed). Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an "affliction" is a "Western" astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an "afflicted planet". Just broadly treating retrograde planets as "weak" and "unable to deliver results" does not work in practice. > > > >  > > > > Regards, > > > >  -Manoj > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear ones, > > > > am sharing a part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!! > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > >  > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma. The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.  > > > > > > > > The "partner" to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results. It implies testing the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable. > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of "red flagging" something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction. An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas. Those are "fighting words" to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong.  > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement? Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message. In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native. Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala. There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties. Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as a triply powerful malefic. In this way it may give > an outcome akin to a > > > debilitated graha... > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!! The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha.  > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time. It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting "corners" of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place. For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes? Where are computers mentioned? How do we deal with artificial insemination? If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.// > > > > Love and regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji,By the example you have stated, where a person has retro saturn, I presume, if Saturn is the karaka for marriage, the "possibility" , the "chance" of the marriage getting settled will happen when Saturn goes retro for a few months every year, if the other factors, the age of the person is right? I think that is exactly what you mean.I just cross checked the retro effect you had told about with regard to a very recent incident in my daughter's case. Her 6th and 9th lord is guru retro in 3rd house in Kanya. She was due for her promotion a year and a half back because of the slack in the IT industry , it was postponed. She got it on 8th sep this year after a delay of a year and a half, when Ju was retro and saturn ( her 7th and 8th lord) who is also retro and with jupiter in the 3rd house was due to move into Kanya on 9th september.Ahhh... let me check the other aspects and get back to the group.Regards,Anita--- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: RETROGRESSION Date: Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 6:42 PM Dear Vinita ji., What should be expected - depends on what those planets signify for that particular horoscope actually. Saturn may signify marriage to one native and for another it may signify Divorce. Mars may signify Partnership between two brothers in a horoscope while in other it may signify partitions. so this depends on individual horoscopes. regards, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, "vinita" <shankar_mamta@ ...> wrote: > > dear bhaskarji, > > there is a small window opening up for 2 days...jan.13th and 14th 2010 when there are 3 planets that will be retro...saturn, mars and mercury. for somebody having these same 3 planets retro in the natal chart what should be expected??? > > talking only in practical terms...no theory here. :) > > vinita > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > Suppose you have a Retro mercury in your Birth Chart. Suppose you write a romantic Novel and then give it to the Publishers for approval. You will never receive your approval till the Mercury turns retrograde in transit. As simple as this.(Treat all planets in retro at your Birth time, in same manner). > > > > People talk of retrogression, but nobody talks of what will happen when. I talk only about Predictive Astrology and inputs which can help in predictions. I dont believe in nonsense articles or theories which mean nothing, which teach nothing, which help in no ways. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse. > > > > > > yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . > > > > > > try it. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > > > > Actually, if you were not so "relaxed", the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > > > > Regards, > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets, considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > > > > > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro? > > > > > > > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro? > > > > > > > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer? > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. > > > > > > > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. > > > > > > > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.  > > > > > > > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > > > > > > > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression is Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed). Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an "affliction" is a "Western" astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an "afflicted planet". Just broadly treating retrograde planets as "weak" and "unable to deliver results" does not work in practice. > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear ones, > > > > > > > > > > am sharing a part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!! > > > > > > > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma. The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The "partner" to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results. It implies testing the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of "red flagging" something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction. An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas. Those are "fighting words" to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement? Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message. In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native. Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala. There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties. Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as a triply powerful malefic. In this way it may give > > > > an outcome akin to a > > > > > > > > > debilitated graha... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!! The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time. It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting "corners" of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place. For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes? Where are computers mentioned? How do we deal with artificial insemination? If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.// > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Dear Anita ji, Yes I mentioned the same thing as you understood it. These principles are actually very much predictive oriented - in astrology but very few people know these, and those who know all do not tell. If You ask me which book or Shastra I quoted from, I have not many answers for this and those I do will not be digestable. But these inferences come from study, observations and experience of stalwarts over a period of time,who are really great people in as to much that they share this with us. You will find this working in almost all cases. The problem is only one - What planet will give what results in what particular antardasha. If you can knock this puzzle than only timing part remains.we will come around to that later. regards/Bhaskar. , Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > By the example you have stated, where a person has retro saturn, I presume, if Saturn is the karaka for marriage, the " possibility " , the " chance " of the marriage getting settled will happen when Saturn goes retro for a few months every year, if the other factors, the age of the person is right? I think that is exactly what you mean. > I just cross checked the retro effect you had told about with regard to a very recent incident in my daughter's case. Her 6th and 9th lord is guru retro in 3rd house in Kanya. She was due for her promotion a year and a half back because of the slack in the IT industry , it was postponed. She got it on 8th sep this year after a delay of a year and a half, when Ju was retro and saturn ( her 7th and 8th lord) who is also retro and with jupiter in the 3rd house was due to move into Kanya on 9th september. > Ahhh... let me check the other aspects and get back to the group. > Regards, > Anita > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > Re: RETROGRESSION > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 6:42 PM >  > > > Dear Vinita ji., > > > > What should be expected - depends on what those planets signify for that particular horoscope actually. > > > > Saturn may signify marriage to one native and for another it may signify Divorce. > > Mars may signify Partnership between two brothers in a horoscope while in other it may signify partitions. > > > > so this depends on individual horoscopes. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vinita " <shankar_mamta@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > dear bhaskarji, > > > > > > there is a small window opening up for 2 days...jan.13th and 14th 2010 when there are 3 planets that will be retro...saturn, mars and mercury. for somebody having these same 3 planets retro in the natal chart what should be expected??? > > > > > > talking only in practical terms...no theory here. :) > > > > > > vinita > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > Suppose you have a Retro mercury in your Birth Chart. Suppose you write a romantic Novel and then give it to the Publishers for approval. You will never receive your approval till the Mercury turns retrograde in transit. As simple as this.(Treat all planets in retro at your Birth time, in same manner). > > > > > > > > People talk of retrogression, but nobody talks of what will happen when. I talk only about Predictive Astrology and inputs which can help in predictions. I dont believe in nonsense articles or theories which mean nothing, which teach nothing, which help in no ways. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse. > > > > > > > > > > yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . > > > > > > > > > > try it. > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > > > > > > Actually, if you were not so " relaxed " , the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets, considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro? > > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression isÃÆ'‚ Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed).ÃÆ'‚ Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an " affliction " is a " Western " astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an " afflicted planet " .ÃÆ'‚ Just broadly treating retrograde planets as " weak " andÃÆ'‚ " unable to deliver results " does not work in practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear ones, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am sharing aÃÆ'‚ part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma.ÃÆ'‚ The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " partner " to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results.ÃÆ'‚ It implies testingÃÆ'‚ the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of " red flagging " something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction.ÃÆ'‚ An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas.ÃÆ'‚ Those are " fighting words " to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong. ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement?ÃÆ'‚ Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message.ÃÆ'‚ In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native.ÃÆ'‚ Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala.ÃÆ'‚ There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties.ÃÆ'‚ Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it > as a triply powerful malefic.ÃÆ'‚ In this way it may give > > > > > > an outcome akin to a > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitated graha... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!!ÃÆ'‚ The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha. ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time.ÃÆ'‚ It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting " corners " of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place.ÃÆ'‚ For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes?ÃÆ'‚ Where are computers mentioned?ÃÆ'‚ How do we deal with artificial insemination?ÃÆ'‚ If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 Respected Bhaskar ji, //Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains// In my chart 6,7 th lord saturn retro in 10 th house how to apply this principle. Thanks and regards, N.Nanda kumar Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Wed, 23 December, 2009 12:09:00 AM Re: RETROGRESSION Dear Manoj ji,Exactly ."The most significant event" signified to happen in a particular dashaby a retrograde planet at Birth, will not happen, till that planet turns retro in Gochar was what i meant as rightly understood by your goodself.In the example I gave that Book will not be published till that Mer.gets retro (If the mercury signifies publishing of that book and so does the antar dasha period allow.)Kind regards,bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar Ji,> > Thank you for your valuable tips. However, I think it is possible this can be misuderstood. I think what you emphasize is "the most significant even indicated by that planet will not happen until it turns retrograde in transit".> >  I like your example. While you may be able to complete writing the Book while Me is direct, it may not get approved for publishing until it turns retrograde, is what you are explaining. Am I correct?>  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tue, December 22, 2009 9:43:56 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION> >  > Dear Anita ji,> > Suppose you have a Retro mercury in your Birth Chart. Suppose you write a romantic Novel and then give it to the Publishers for approval. You will never receive your approval till the Mercury turns retrograde in transit. As simple as this.(Treat all planets in retro at your Birth time, in same manner). > > People talk of retrogression, but nobody talks of what will happen when. I talk only about Predictive Astrology and inputs which can help in predictions. I dont believe in nonsense articles or theories which mean nothing, which teach nothing, which help in no ways.> > Bhaskar.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Anita ji,> > > > You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse.> > > > yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . > > > > try it.> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskarji,> > > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > > > Actually, if you were not so "relaxed", the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > > > Regards, > > > Anita> > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Date: Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command.> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ..> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets, considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > > > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro?> > > > > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro?> > > > > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer?> > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Anita> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part.> > > > > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc.> > > > > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.  > > > > > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream.> > > > > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression isÃÆ'‚ Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed).ÃÆ'‚ Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an "affliction" is a "Western" astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an "afflicted planet".ÃÆ'‚ Just broadly treating retrograde planets as "weak" andÃÆ'‚ "unable to deliver results" does not work in practice.> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ -Manoj> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ .> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Dear ones,> > > > > > > > am sharing aÃÆ'‚ part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!!> > > > > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma.ÃÆ'‚ The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The "partner" to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results.ÃÆ'‚ It implies testingÃÆ'‚ the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of "red flagging" something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction.ÃÆ'‚ An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas.ÃÆ'‚ Those are "fighting words" to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong. ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement?ÃÆ'‚ Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message.ÃÆ'‚ In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native.ÃÆ'‚ Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala.ÃÆ'‚ There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties.ÃÆ'‚ Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as> a triply powerful malefic.ÃÆ'‚ In this way it may give> > > an outcome akin to a> > > > > > > debilitated graha...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!!ÃÆ'‚ The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha. ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time.ÃÆ'‚ It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting "corners" of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place.ÃÆ'‚ For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes?ÃÆ'‚ Where are computers mentioned?ÃÆ'‚ How do we deal with artificial insemination?ÃÆ'‚ If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.//> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> > >> >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji,I made an attempt to study my daughters chart yesterday applying your retrogression principle. Here are my findings. All those who have retros in their own horoscopes, I hope this will be of interest to you.Her lagna is cancer and her 6th & 9th lord Ju is retro conjunct with 7th and 8th lord saturn also retro in kanya.1) She got her job offer when both Ju and Sa were retro, Sa in 11th in vrishabha and Ju exalted in lagna. Ju MD and Ju AD. But when she actually joined, Sa was retro in 12th but Ju was in leo 2nd house and direct. But she was running the Ju MD but Sa AD.2) Her overseas offer came when Sa was retro in lagna Ju MD, Me AD and Ju was direct in4th house. But she actually went abroad when she was having Ju AD but Ve MD ( venus is in 11th vrishabha rashi ) , when 6th and 9th lord jupiter was retro in 4th house but Sa was direct in lagna.3)When the seat was offered to her in CET, both these planets were direct but when she joined the college , both were retro. .4) Her arangetram was celebrated when Ju was retro and exalted in lagna (karkataka) but Sa was direct in her 7th house makara. even tho when the program was finalised, both were in direct motion..My husband has 3 retros. I did some enquiry in a hurry yesterday but it did not fit in with the retro theory like it does in my daughter's case. I need more time.regards, Anita--- On Wed, 23/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: RETROGRESSION Date: Wednesday, 23 December, 2009, 9:48 AM Dear Anita ji, Yes I mentioned the same thing as you understood it. These principles are actually very much predictive oriented - in astrology but very few people know these, and those who know all do not tell. If You ask me which book or Shastra I quoted from, I have not many answers for this and those I do will not be digestable. But these inferences come from study, observations and experience of stalwarts over a period of time,who are really great people in as to much that they share this with us. You will find this working in almost all cases. The problem is only one - What planet will give what results in what particular antardasha. If you can knock this puzzle than only timing part remains.we will come around to that later. regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > By the example you have stated, where a person has retro saturn, I presume, if Saturn is the karaka for marriage, the "possibility" , the "chance" of the marriage getting settled will happen when Saturn goes retro for a few months every year, if the other factors, the age of the person is right? I think that is exactly what you mean. > I just cross checked the retro effect you had told about with regard to a very recent incident in my daughter's case. Her 6th and 9th lord is guru retro in 3rd house in Kanya. She was due for her promotion a year and a half back because of the slack in the IT industry , it was postponed. She got it on 8th sep this year after a delay of a year and a half, when Ju was retro and saturn ( her 7th and 8th lord) who is also retro and with jupiter in the 3rd house was due to move into Kanya on 9th september. > Ahhh... let me check the other aspects and get back to the group. > Regards, > Anita > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 6:42 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji., > > > > What should be expected - depends on what those planets signify for that particular horoscope actually. > > > > Saturn may signify marriage to one native and for another it may signify Divorce. > > Mars may signify Partnership between two brothers in a horoscope while in other it may signify partitions. > > > > so this depends on individual horoscopes. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vinita" <shankar_mamta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > dear bhaskarji, > > > > > > there is a small window opening up for 2 days...jan.13th and 14th 2010 when there are 3 planets that will be retro...saturn, mars and mercury. for somebody having these same 3 planets retro in the natal chart what should be expected??? > > > > > > talking only in practical terms...no theory here. :) > > > > > > vinita > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > Suppose you have a Retro mercury in your Birth Chart. Suppose you write a romantic Novel and then give it to the Publishers for approval. You will never receive your approval till the Mercury turns retrograde in transit. As simple as this.(Treat all planets in retro at your Birth time, in same manner). > > > > > > > > People talk of retrogression, but nobody talks of what will happen when. I talk only about Predictive Astrology and inputs which can help in predictions. I dont believe in nonsense articles or theories which mean nothing, which teach nothing, which help in no ways. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse. > > > > > > > > > > yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . > > > > > > > > > > try it. > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > > > > > > Actually, if you were not so "relaxed", the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets, considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro? > > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression isÃÆ'‚ Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed).ÃÆ'‚ Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an "affliction" is a "Western" astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an "afflicted planet".ÃÆ'‚ Just broadly treating retrograde planets as "weak" andÃÆ'‚ "unable to deliver results" does not work in practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear ones, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am sharing aÃÆ'‚ part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma.ÃÆ'‚ The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The "partner" to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results.ÃÆ'‚ It implies testingÃÆ'‚ the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of "red flagging" something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction.ÃÆ'‚ An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas.ÃÆ'‚ Those are "fighting words" to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong. ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement?ÃÆ'‚ Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message.ÃÆ'‚ In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native.ÃÆ'‚ Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala.ÃÆ'‚ There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties.ÃÆ'‚ Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it > as a triply powerful malefic.ÃÆ'‚ In this way it may give > > > > > > an outcome akin to a > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitated graha... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!!ÃÆ'‚ The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha. ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time.ÃÆ'‚ It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting "corners" of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place.ÃÆ'‚ For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes?ÃÆ'‚ Where are computers mentioned?ÃÆ'‚ How do we deal with artificial insemination?ÃÆ'‚ If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 Dear Anita ji, You are doing a good research work from personal experience and factual events from own family, which will help you in future. Normally one more priciple comes in effect during retrogression. Suppose one begins a work during transit of a retro planet. And leaves it unfinished and forgotten or postponed. Beyond this, the planet turns Direct. Now when in due course, whenever it turns retro again, the person will once again pick up the work which was half finished before, and complete it in this second round of retrogression of the same planet. regards/Bhaskar. , Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > I made an attempt to study my daughters chart yesterday applying your retrogression principle. Here are my findings. All those who have retros in their own horoscopes, I hope this will be of interest to you. > Her lagna is cancer and her 6th & 9th lord Ju is retro conjunct with 7th and 8th lord saturn also retro in kanya. > 1) She got her job offer when both Ju and Sa were retro, Sa in 11th in vrishabha and Ju exalted in lagna. Ju MD and Ju AD. But when she actually joined, Sa was retro in 12th but Ju was in leo 2nd house and direct. But she was running the Ju MD but Sa AD. > 2) Her overseas offer came when Sa was retro in lagna Ju MD, Me AD and Ju was direct in4th house. But she actually went abroad when she was having Ju AD but Ve MD ( venus is in 11th vrishabha rashi ) , when 6th and 9th lord jupiter was retro in 4th house but Sa was direct in lagna. > 3)When the seat was offered to her in CET, both these planets were direct but when she joined the college , both were retro. . > 4) Her arangetram was celebrated when Ju was retro and exalted in lagna (karkataka) but Sa was direct in her 7th house makara. even tho when the program was finalised, both were in direct motion.. > My husband has 3 retros. I did some enquiry in a hurry yesterday but it did not fit in with the retro theory like it does in my daughter's case. I need more time. > regards, > Anita > > --- On Wed, 23/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > Re: RETROGRESSION > > Wednesday, 23 December, 2009, 9:48 AM >  > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > Yes I mentioned the same thing as you understood it. > > > > These principles are actually very much predictive oriented - in astrology but very few people know these, and those who know all do not tell. If You ask me which book or Shastra I quoted from, I have not many answers for this and those I do will not be digestable. But these inferences come from study, observations and experience of stalwarts over a period of time,who are really great people in as to much that they share this with us. You will find this working in almost all cases. The problem is only one - What planet will give what results in what particular antardasha. If you can knock this puzzle than only timing part remains.we will come around to that later. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > By the example you have stated, where a person has retro saturn, I presume, if Saturn is the karaka for marriage, the " possibility " , the " chance " of the marriage getting settled will happen when Saturn goes retro for a few months every year, if the other factors, the age of the person is right? I think that is exactly what you mean. > > > I just cross checked the retro effect you had told about with regard to a very recent incident in my daughter's case. Her 6th and 9th lord is guru retro in 3rd house in Kanya. She was due for her promotion a year and a half back because of the slack in the IT industry , it was postponed. She got it on 8th sep this year after a delay of a year and a half, when Ju was retro and saturn ( her 7th and 8th lord) who is also retro and with jupiter in the 3rd house was due to move into Kanya on 9th september. > > > Ahhh... let me check the other aspects and get back to the group. > > > Regards, > > > Anita > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 6:42 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji., > > > > > > > > > > > > What should be expected - depends on what those planets signify for that particular horoscope actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn may signify marriage to one native and for another it may signify Divorce. > > > > > > Mars may signify Partnership between two brothers in a horoscope while in other it may signify partitions. > > > > > > > > > > > > so this depends on individual horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vinita " <shankar_mamta@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a small window opening up for 2 days...jan.13th and 14th 2010 when there are 3 planets that will be retro...saturn, mars and mercury. for somebody having these same 3 planets retro in the natal chart what should be expected??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking only in practical terms...no theory here. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vinita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose you have a Retro mercury in your Birth Chart. Suppose you write a romantic Novel and then give it to the Publishers for approval. You will never receive your approval till the Mercury turns retrograde in transit. As simple as this.(Treat all planets in retro at your Birth time, in same manner). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People talk of retrogression, but nobody talks of what will happen when. I talk only about Predictive Astrology and inputs which can help in predictions. I dont believe in nonsense articles or theories which mean nothing, which teach nothing, which help in no ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > > > > > > > > > > Actually, if you were not so " relaxed " , the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets,ÃÆ'‚ considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression isÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed).ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an " affliction " is a " Western " astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an " afflicted planet " .ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Just broadly treating retrograde planets as " weak " andÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ " unable to deliver results " does not work in practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear ones, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am sharing aÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " partner " to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ It implies testingÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of " red flagging " something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those are " fighting words " to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong. ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by > occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it > > > as a triply powerful malefic.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ In this way it may give > > > > > > > > > > an outcome akin to a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitated graha... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!!ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha. ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting " corners " of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Where are computers mentioned?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ How do we deal with artificial insemination?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 Dear Nandakumar ji, This takes just few minutes to check but for explaining it, it will take me half an hour to one hour. I will explain in short. The degrees of the 6th House Owner of to be checked. The division where this degree appears will give the actual picture.For instance Saturn in Capricorn (Lord of 6 and 7 in Your chart too) if at 4.50 degrees then falls in division of Saturn itself. This division (Means planet Saturn itself) if connected to the 10th house and in any of these Nakshatras of the Sun ,Krittika, U.Phalg. U.asadha, and also connected to houses 2 or 11 in any way (For example Sun placed in Mercury Raashis in this chart or, then this man will make very good profits from Government connections, Departments or Large projects. If this Saturn is connected to houses 5 or 8 or just 10th, then the money will be very slow in coming and he has to go for partnerships in order to survive. If connected to 4th, 6th and 12th then money will come and go, and lump of amounts received will be just average. Therefore such inferences have to be drawn. Why such inferences have to be drawn from the 6th only ? Because the 6th is the actual pointer for guiding us how much money a person can make in Life, and in what ways and nature and the weight(figuratively and symbolically speaking) of the money earned. But Why ? because the person whom you deal with, Your Customer, Your Client, Your Boss, is represented by the 7th, and his expenditure house is the 12th from this 7th, which is the 6th in our horoscope. So whenever our 6th is strong we can make good money through dealing with other people. Retrogression has nothing to do with actual weight or nature of money earnt. This is just a pointer to delays or timings of the money earnt.I will not be available for dicsussions as leaving out of town tonight and have to get ready with other issues too. regards/Bhaskar. , nanda kumar <nanda_dsn wrote: > > Respected Bhaskar ji, > > //Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains// > > In my chart 6,7 th lord saturn retro in 10 th house  how to apply this principle. > > Thanks and regards, > > N.Nanda kumar > >  > > > > ________________________________ > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > Wed, 23 December, 2009 12:09:00 AM > Re: RETROGRESSION > >  > Dear Manoj ji, > > Exactly . > > " The most significant event " signified to happen in a particular dasha > by a retrograde planet at Birth, will not happen, till that planet turns retro in Gochar was what i meant as rightly understood by your goodself. > > In the example I gave that Book will not be published till that Mer.gets retro (If the mercury signifies publishing of that book and so does the antar dasha period allow.) > > Kind regards, > bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > > Thank you for your valuable tips. However, I think it is possible this can be misuderstood. I think what you emphasize is " the most significant even indicated by that planet will not happen until it turns retrograde in transit " . > > > >  I like your example. While you may be able to complete writing the Book while Me is direct, it may not get approved for publishing until it turns retrograde, is what you are explaining. Am I correct? > >  > > Regards, > >  -Manoj > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Tue, December 22, 2009 9:43:56 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > >  > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > Suppose you have a Retro mercury in your Birth Chart. Suppose you write a romantic Novel and then give it to the Publishers for approval. You will never receive your approval till the Mercury turns retrograde in transit. As simple as this.(Treat all planets in retro at your Birth time, in same manner). > > > > People talk of retrogression, but nobody talks of what will happen when. I talk only about Predictive Astrology and inputs which can help in predictions. I dont believe in nonsense articles or theories which mean nothing, which teach nothing, which help in no ways. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse. > > > > > > yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . > > > > > > try it. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > > > > Actually, if you were not so " relaxed " , the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > > > > Regards, > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets,ÃÆ'‚ considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > > > > > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro? > > > > > > > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro? > > > > > > > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer? > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. > > > > > > > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. > > > > > > > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > > > > > > > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression isÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed).ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an " affliction " is a " Western " astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an " afflicted planet " .ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Just broadly treating retrograde planets as " weak " andÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ " unable to deliver results " does not work in practice. > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > Dear ones, > > > > > > > > > > am sharing aÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!! > > > > > > > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " partner " to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ It implies testingÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of " red flagging " something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those are " fighting words " to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong. ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by > occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as > > a triply powerful malefic.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ In this way it may give > > > > an outcome akin to a > > > > > > > > > debilitated graha... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!!ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha. ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting " corners " of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Where are computers mentioned?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ How do we deal with artificial insemination?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.// > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 Thanks for the tip dear Bhaskar ji. I will keep this in mind when I do some research on my husband's horoscope. Regards, Anita--- On Thu, 24/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: RETROGRESSION Date: Thursday, 24 December, 2009, 4:13 AM Dear Anita ji, You are doing a good research work from personal experience and factual events from own family, which will help you in future. Normally one more priciple comes in effect during retrogression. Suppose one begins a work during transit of a retro planet. And leaves it unfinished and forgotten or postponed. Beyond this, the planet turns Direct. Now when in due course, whenever it turns retro again, the person will once again pick up the work which was half finished before, and complete it in this second round of retrogression of the same planet. regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > I made an attempt to study my daughters chart yesterday applying your retrogression principle. Here are my findings. All those who have retros in their own horoscopes, I hope this will be of interest to you. > Her lagna is cancer and her 6th & 9th lord Ju is retro conjunct with 7th and 8th lord saturn also retro in kanya. > 1) She got her job offer when both Ju and Sa were retro, Sa in 11th in vrishabha and Ju exalted in lagna. Ju MD and Ju AD. But when she actually joined, Sa was retro in 12th but Ju was in leo 2nd house and direct. But she was running the Ju MD but Sa AD. > 2) Her overseas offer came when Sa was retro in lagna Ju MD, Me AD and Ju was direct in4th house. But she actually went abroad when she was having Ju AD but Ve MD ( venus is in 11th vrishabha rashi ) , when 6th and 9th lord jupiter was retro in 4th house but Sa was direct in lagna. > 3)When the seat was offered to her in CET, both these planets were direct but when she joined the college , both were retro. . > 4) Her arangetram was celebrated when Ju was retro and exalted in lagna (karkataka) but Sa was direct in her 7th house makara. even tho when the program was finalised, both were in direct motion.. > My husband has 3 retros. I did some enquiry in a hurry yesterday but it did not fit in with the retro theory like it does in my daughter's case. I need more time. > regards, > Anita > > --- On Wed, 23/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > ancient_indian_ astrology > Wednesday, 23 December, 2009, 9:48 AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > Yes I mentioned the same thing as you understood it. > > > > These principles are actually very much predictive oriented - in astrology but very few people know these, and those who know all do not tell. If You ask me which book or Shastra I quoted from, I have not many answers for this and those I do will not be digestable. But these inferences come from study, observations and experience of stalwarts over a period of time,who are really great people in as to much that they share this with us. You will find this working in almost all cases. The problem is only one - What planet will give what results in what particular antardasha. If you can knock this puzzle than only timing part remains.we will come around to that later. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > By the example you have stated, where a person has retro saturn, I presume, if Saturn is the karaka for marriage, the "possibility" , the "chance" of the marriage getting settled will happen when Saturn goes retro for a few months every year, if the other factors, the age of the person is right? I think that is exactly what you mean. > > > I just cross checked the retro effect you had told about with regard to a very recent incident in my daughter's case. Her 6th and 9th lord is guru retro in 3rd house in Kanya. She was due for her promotion a year and a half back because of the slack in the IT industry , it was postponed. She got it on 8th sep this year after a delay of a year and a half, when Ju was retro and saturn ( her 7th and 8th lord) who is also retro and with jupiter in the 3rd house was due to move into Kanya on 9th september. > > > Ahhh... let me check the other aspects and get back to the group. > > > Regards, > > > Anita > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 6:42 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji., > > > > > > > > > > > > What should be expected - depends on what those planets signify for that particular horoscope actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn may signify marriage to one native and for another it may signify Divorce. > > > > > > Mars may signify Partnership between two brothers in a horoscope while in other it may signify partitions. > > > > > > > > > > > > so this depends on individual horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vinita" <shankar_mamta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a small window opening up for 2 days...jan.13th and 14th 2010 when there are 3 planets that will be retro...saturn, mars and mercury. for somebody having these same 3 planets retro in the natal chart what should be expected??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking only in practical terms...no theory here. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vinita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose you have a Retro mercury in your Birth Chart. Suppose you write a romantic Novel and then give it to the Publishers for approval. You will never receive your approval till the Mercury turns retrograde in transit. As simple as this.(Treat all planets in retro at your Birth time, in same manner). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People talk of retrogression, but nobody talks of what will happen when. I talk only about Predictive Astrology and inputs which can help in predictions. I dont believe in nonsense articles or theories which mean nothing, which teach nothing, which help in no ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > > > > > > > > > > Actually, if you were not so "relaxed", the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets,ÃÆ'‚ considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression isÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed).ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an "affliction" is a "Western" astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an "afflicted planet".ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Just broadly treating retrograde planets as "weak" andÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ "unable to deliver results" does not work in practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear ones, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am sharing aÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The "partner" to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ It implies testingÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of "red flagging" something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those are "fighting words" to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong. ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by > occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it > > > as a triply powerful malefic.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ In this way it may give > > > > > > > > > > an outcome akin to a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitated graha... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!!ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha. ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting "corners" of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Where are computers mentioned?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ How do we deal with artificial insemination?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Respected Bhaskar ji, Thank you so much for explaining in your busy schedule . sorry for responding late .I just returned from from kerala. Thanks and regards, Nanda kumar. Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Thu, 24 December, 2009 11:16:21 AM Re: RETROGRESSION Dear Nandakumar ji,This takes just few minutes to check but for explaining it, it will take me half an hour to one hour. I will explain in short.The degrees of the 6th House Owner of to be checked. The division where this degree appears will give the actual picture.For instance Saturn in Capricorn (Lord of 6 and 7 in Your chart too) if at 4.50 degrees then falls in division of Saturn itself. This division (Means planet Saturn itself) if connected to the 10th house and in any of these Nakshatras of the Sun ,Krittika, U.Phalg. U.asadha, and also connected to houses 2 or 11 in any way (For example Sun placed in Mercury Raashis in this chart or, then this man will make very good profits from Government connections, Departments or Large projects. If this Saturn is connected to houses 5 or 8 or just 10th, then the money will be very slow in coming and he has to go for partnerships in order to survive. If connected to 4th, 6th and 12th then money will come and go, and lump of amounts received will be just average. Therefore such inferences have to be drawn. Why such inferences have to be drawn from the 6th only ? Because the 6th is the actual pointer for guiding us how much money a person can make in Life, and in what ways and nature and the weight(figuratively and symbolically speaking) of the money earned. But Why ? because the person whom you deal with, Your Customer, Your Client, Your Boss, is represented by the 7th, and his expenditure house is the 12th from this 7th, which is the 6th in our horoscope. So whenever our 6th is strong we can make good money through dealing with other people.Retrogression has nothing to do with actual weight or nature of money earnt. This is just a pointer to delays or timings of the money earnt.I will not be available for dicsussions as leaving out of town tonight and have to get ready with other issues too.regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, nanda kumar <nanda_dsn@. ..> wrote:>> Respected Bhaskar ji,> > //Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains//> > In my chart 6,7 th lord saturn retro in 10 th house  how to apply this principle.> > Thanks and regards,> > N.Nanda kumar> >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wed, 23 December, 2009 12:09:00 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION> >  > Dear Manoj ji,> > Exactly .> > "The most significant event" signified to happen in a particular dasha> by a retrograde planet at Birth, will not happen, till that planet turns retro in Gochar was what i meant as rightly understood by your goodself.> > In the example I gave that Book will not be published till that Mer.gets retro (If the mercury signifies publishing of that book and so does the antar dasha period allow.)> > Kind regards,> bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar Ji,> > > > Thank you for your valuable tips. However, I think it is possible this can be misuderstood. I think what you emphasize is "the most significant even indicated by that planet will not happen until it turns retrograde in transit".> > > >  I like your example. While you may be able to complete writing the Book while Me is direct, it may not get approved for publishing until it turns retrograde, is what you are explaining. Am I correct?> >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tue, December 22, 2009 9:43:56 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION> > > >  > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > Suppose you have a Retro mercury in your Birth Chart. Suppose you write a romantic Novel and then give it to the Publishers for approval. You will never receive your approval till the Mercury turns retrograde in transit. As simple as this.(Treat all planets in retro at your Birth time, in same manner). > > > > People talk of retrogression, but nobody talks of what will happen when. I talk only about Predictive Astrology and inputs which can help in predictions. I dont believe in nonsense articles or theories which mean nothing, which teach nothing, which help in no ways.> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse.> > > > > > yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . > > > > > > try it.> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskarji,> > > > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > > > > Actually, if you were not so "relaxed", the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > > > > Regards, > > > > Anita> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ >> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ..> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets,ÃÆ'‚ considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > > > > > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro?> > > > > > > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro?> > > > > > > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer?> > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Anita> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part.> > > > > > > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc.> > > > > > > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream.> > > > > > > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression isÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed).ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an "affliction" is a "Western" astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an "afflicted planet".ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Just broadly treating retrograde planets as "weak" andÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ "unable to deliver results" does not work in practice.> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ .> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > Dear ones,> > > > > > > > > > am sharing aÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!!> > > > > > > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The "partner" to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ It implies testingÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of "red flagging" something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those are "fighting words" to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong. ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by> occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as> > a triply powerful malefic.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ In this way it may give> > > > an outcome akin to a> > > > > > > > > debilitated graha...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!!ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha. ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting "corners" of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Where are computers mentioned?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ How do we deal with artificial insemination?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.//> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Dear BhaskarjiRetrogressionIt is stated that : For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream.For a Jathak, Guru is in Dhanur rasi and in retrograde at birth. Since the lord of Dhanur rasi is Guru him self, how to intrepret ?Padma Kannan30.12.2009 nanda kumar <nanda_dsn Sent: Sun, 27 December, 2009 6:59:51 AM Re: RETROGRESSION Respected Bhaskar ji, Thank you so much for explaining in your busy schedule . sorry for responding late .I just returned from from kerala. Thanks and regards, Nanda kumar. Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, 24 December, 2009 11:16:21 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION Dear Nandakumar ji,This takes just few minutes to check but for explaining it, it will take me half an hour to one hour. I will explain in short.The degrees of the 6th House Owner of to be checked. The division where this degree appears will give the actual picture.For instance Saturn in Capricorn (Lord of 6 and 7 in Your chart too) if at 4.50 degrees then falls in division of Saturn itself. This division (Means planet Saturn itself) if connected to the 10th house and in any of these Nakshatras of the Sun ,Krittika, U.Phalg. U.asadha, and also connected to houses 2 or 11 in any way (For example Sun placed in Mercury Raashis in this chart or, then this man will make very good profits from Government connections, Departments or Large projects. If this Saturn is connected to houses 5 or 8 or just 10th, then the money will be very slow in coming and he has to go for partnerships in order to survive. If connected to 4th, 6th and 12th then money will come and go, and lump of amounts received will be just average. Therefore such inferences have to be drawn. Why such inferences have to be drawn from the 6th only ? Because the 6th is the actual pointer for guiding us how much money a person can make in Life, and in what ways and nature and the weight(figuratively and symbolically speaking) of the money earned. But Why ? because the person whom you deal with, Your Customer, Your Client, Your Boss, is represented by the 7th, and his expenditure house is the 12th from this 7th, which is the 6th in our horoscope. So whenever our 6th is strong we can make good money through dealing with other people.Retrogression has nothing to do with actual weight or nature of money earnt. This is just a pointer to delays or timings of the money earnt.I will not be available for dicsussions as leaving out of town tonight and have to get ready with other issues too.regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, nanda kumar <nanda_dsn@. ..> wrote:>> Respected Bhaskar ji,> > //Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains//> > In my chart 6,7 th lord saturn retro in 10 th house  how to apply this principle.> > Thanks and regards,> > N.Nanda kumar> >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wed, 23 December, 2009 12:09:00 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION> >  > Dear Manoj ji,> > Exactly .> > "The most significant event" signified to happen in a particular dasha> by a retrograde planet at Birth, will not happen, till that planet turns retro in Gochar was what i meant as rightly understood by your goodself.> > In the example I gave that Book will not be published till that Mer.gets retro (If the mercury signifies publishing of that book and so does the antar dasha period allow.)> > Kind regards,> bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar Ji,> > > > Thank you for your valuable tips. However, I think it is possible this can be misuderstood. I think what you emphasize is "the most significant even indicated by that planet will not happen until it turns retrograde in transit".> > > >  I like your example. While you may be able to complete writing the Book while Me is direct, it may not get approved for publishing until it turns retrograde, is what you are explaining. Am I correct?> >  > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tue, December 22, 2009 9:43:56 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION> > > >  > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > Suppose you have a Retro mercury in your Birth Chart. Suppose you write a romantic Novel and then give it to the Publishers for approval. You will never receive your approval till the Mercury turns retrograde in transit. As simple as this.(Treat all planets in retro at your Birth time, in same manner). > > > > People talk of retrogression, but nobody talks of what will happen when. I talk only about Predictive Astrology and inputs which can help in predictions. I dont believe in nonsense articles or theories which mean nothing, which teach nothing, which help in no ways.> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse.> > > > > > yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . > > > > > > try it.> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskarji,> > > > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > > > > Actually, if you were not so "relaxed", the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > > > > Regards, > > > > Anita> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ >> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ..> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets,ÃÆ'‚ considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > > > > > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro?> > > > > > > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro?> > > > > > > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer?> > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Anita> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part.> > > > > > > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc.> > > > > > > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream.> > > > > > > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression isÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed).ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an "affliction" is a "Western" astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an "afflicted planet".ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Just broadly treating retrograde planets as "weak" andÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ "unable to deliver results" does not work in practice.> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ .> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > Dear ones,> > > > > > > > > > am sharing aÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!!> > > > > > > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The "partner" to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ It implies testingÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of "red flagging" something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those are "fighting words" to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong. ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause huge difficulties.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by> occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as> > a triply powerful malefic.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ In this way it may give> > > > an outcome akin to a> > > > > > > > > debilitated graha...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!!ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha. ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting "corners" of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Where are computers mentioned?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ How do we deal with artificial insemination?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.//> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Dear Kannan ji, You have to check the constellation in which Guru is placed. regards/Bhaskar. , kannan padma <kannan_padma30 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji > > Retrogression > > It is stated that : > > For day > to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose > this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns > retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, > and will get delayed till the planet turns > retrograde.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > The above results will come only If the > above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not > retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then > these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > > For a Jathak, Guru is in Dhanur rasi and in retrograde at birth. Since the lord of Dhanur rasi is Guru him self, how to intrepret ? > > Padma Kannan > 30.12.2009 ________________________________ > nanda kumar <nanda_dsn > > Sun, 27 December, 2009 6:59:51 AM > Re: RETROGRESSION > > > Respected Bhaskar ji, > > Thank you so much for explaining in your busy schedule . > > sorry for responding late .I just returned from from kerala. > > Thanks and regards, > > Nanda kumar. > > > > > ________________________________ > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > ancient_indian_ astrology > Thu, 24 December, 2009 11:16:21 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > Dear Nandakumar ji, > > This takes just few minutes to check but for explaining it, it will take me half an hour to one hour. I will explain in short. > > The degrees of the 6th House Owner of to be checked. The division where this degree appears will give the actual picture.For instance Saturn in Capricorn (Lord of 6 and 7 in Your chart too) if at 4.50 degrees then falls in division of Saturn itself. This division (Means planet Saturn itself) if connected to the 10th house and in any of these Nakshatras of the Sun ,Krittika, U.Phalg. U.asadha, and also connected to houses 2 or 11 in any way (For example Sun placed in Mercury Raashis in this chart or, then this man will make very good profits from Government connections, Departments or Large projects. If this Saturn is connected to houses 5 or 8 or just 10th, then the money will be very slow in coming and he has to go for partnerships in order to survive. If connected to 4th, 6th and 12th then money will come and go, and lump of amounts received will be just average. > > Therefore such inferences have to be drawn. Why such inferences have to be drawn from the 6th only ? Because the 6th is the actual pointer for guiding us how much money a person can make in Life, and in what ways and nature and the weight(figuratively and symbolically speaking) of the money earned. But Why ? because the person whom you deal with, Your Customer, Your Client, Your Boss, is represented by the 7th, and his expenditure house is the 12th from this 7th, which is the 6th in our horoscope. So whenever our 6th is strong we can make good money through dealing with other people. > > Retrogression has nothing to do with actual weight or nature of money earnt. This is just a pointer to delays or timings of the money earnt.I will not be available for dicsussions as leaving out of town tonight and have to get ready with other issues too. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, nanda kumar <nanda_dsn@ ...> wrote: > > > > Respected Bhaskar ji, > > > > //Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains// > > > > In my chart 6,7 th lord saturn retro in 10 th house  how to apply this principle. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > N.Nanda kumar > > > >  > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Wed, 23 December, 2009 12:09:00 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > >  > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > Exactly . > > > > " The most significant event " signified to happen in a particular dasha > > by a retrograde planet at Birth, will not happen, till that planet turns retro in Gochar was what i meant as rightly understood by your goodself. > > > > In the example I gave that Book will not be published till that Mer.gets retro (If the mercury signifies publishing of that book and so does the antar dasha period allow.) > > > > Kind regards, > > bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > > > > Thank you for your valuable tips. However, I think it is possible this can be misuderstood. I think what you emphasize is " the most significant even indicated by that planet will not happen until it turns retrograde in transit " . > > > > > >  I like your example. While you may be able to complete writing the Book while Me is direct, it may not get approved for publishing until it turns retrograde, is what you are explaining. Am I correct? > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 9:43:56 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > >  > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > Suppose you have a Retro mercury in your Birth Chart. Suppose you write a romantic Novel and then give it to the Publishers for approval. You will never receive your approval till the Mercury turns retrograde in transit. As simple as this.(Treat all planets in retro at your Birth time, in same manner). > > > > > > People talk of retrogression, but nobody talks of what will happen when. I talk only about Predictive Astrology and inputs which can help in predictions. I dont believe in nonsense articles or theories which mean nothing, which teach nothing, which help in no ways. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse. > > > > > > > > yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . > > > > > > > > try it. > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > > > > > Actually, if you were not so " relaxed " , the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > > > > > > > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro? > > > > > > > > > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro? > > > > > > > > > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer? > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. > > > > > > > > > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. > > > > > > > > > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > > > > > > > > > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression isÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\  Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed).ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â\ €šÃ‚ Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an " affliction " is a " Western " astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an " afflicted planet " .ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'Ã\ ¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Just broadly treating retrograde planets as " weak " andÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ " unable to deliver results " does not work in practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear ones, > > > > > > > > > > > > am sharing aÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒâ€šÃ‚ part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ\ '‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " partner " to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'Ã\ ¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ It implies testingÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â\ €šÃ‚ the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of " red flagging " something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÂ\ ¡ÃƒÆ'‚ An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â\ €šÃ‚ Those are " fighting words " to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong. ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement?ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ\ '‚ Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'Ã\ ¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â\ €šÃ‚ Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause > huge difficulties.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by > > occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as > > > a triply powerful malefic.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'Ã\ ¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ In this way it may give > > > > > an outcome akin to a > > > > > > > > > > > debilitated graha... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!!ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha. ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting " corners " of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes?ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ\ '‚ Where are computers mentioned?ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ\ '‚ How do we deal with artificial insemination?ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > ________________________________ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji,Thanks for immediate response Guru is placed purvashada - 2 pada - 3' 49.69" , makara lagna, kanya rasi/The jathak also has Mars and Saturn in retrograde and are at Thula rasiRegardsPadma KannanBhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Tue, 29 December, 2009 12:15:11 PM Re: RETROGRESSION Dear Kannan ji, You have to check the constellation in which Guru is placed. regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, kannan padma <kannan_padma30@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji > > Retrogression > > It is stated that : > > For day > to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose > this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns > retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, > and will get delayed till the planet turns > retrograde.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > The above results will come only If the > above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not > retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then > these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > > For a Jathak, Guru is in Dhanur rasi and in retrograde at birth. Since the lord of Dhanur rasi is Guru him self, how to intrepret ? > > Padma Kannan > 30.12.2009 > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > nanda kumar <nanda_dsn@. ..> > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sun, 27 December, 2009 6:59:51 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > Respected Bhaskar ji, > > Thank you so much for explaining in your busy schedule . > > sorry for responding late .I just returned from from kerala. > > Thanks and regards, > > Nanda kumar. > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > ancient_indian_ astrology > Thu, 24 December, 2009 11:16:21 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > Dear Nandakumar ji, > > This takes just few minutes to check but for explaining it, it will take me half an hour to one hour. I will explain in short. > > The degrees of the 6th House Owner of to be checked. The division where this degree appears will give the actual picture.For instance Saturn in Capricorn (Lord of 6 and 7 in Your chart too) if at 4.50 degrees then falls in division of Saturn itself. This division (Means planet Saturn itself) if connected to the 10th house and in any of these Nakshatras of the Sun ,Krittika, U.Phalg. U.asadha, and also connected to houses 2 or 11 in any way (For example Sun placed in Mercury Raashis in this chart or, then this man will make very good profits from Government connections, Departments or Large projects. If this Saturn is connected to houses 5 or 8 or just 10th, then the money will be very slow in coming and he has to go for partnerships in order to survive. If connected to 4th, 6th and 12th then money will come and go, and lump of amounts received will be just average. > > Therefore such inferences have to be drawn. Why such inferences have to be drawn from the 6th only ? Because the 6th is the actual pointer for guiding us how much money a person can make in Life, and in what ways and nature and the weight(figuratively and symbolically speaking) of the money earned. But Why ? because the person whom you deal with, Your Customer, Your Client, Your Boss, is represented by the 7th, and his expenditure house is the 12th from this 7th, which is the 6th in our horoscope. So whenever our 6th is strong we can make good money through dealing with other people. > > Retrogression has nothing to do with actual weight or nature of money earnt. This is just a pointer to delays or timings of the money earnt.I will not be available for dicsussions as leaving out of town tonight and have to get ready with other issues too. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, nanda kumar <nanda_dsn@ ..> wrote: > > > > Respected Bhaskar ji, > > > > //Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains// > > > > In my chart 6,7 th lord saturn retro in 10 th house  how to apply this principle. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > N.Nanda kumar > > > >  > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Wed, 23 December, 2009 12:09:00 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > >  > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > Exactly . > > > > "The most significant event" signified to happen in a particular dasha > > by a retrograde planet at Birth, will not happen, till that planet turns retro in Gochar was what i meant as rightly understood by your goodself. > > > > In the example I gave that Book will not be published till that Mer.gets retro (If the mercury signifies publishing of that book and so does the antar dasha period allow.) > > > > Kind regards, > > bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > > > > Thank you for your valuable tips. However, I think it is possible this can be misuderstood. I think what you emphasize is "the most significant even indicated by that planet will not happen until it turns retrograde in transit". > > > > > >  I like your example. While you may be able to complete writing the Book while Me is direct, it may not get approved for publishing until it turns retrograde, is what you are explaining. Am I correct? > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 9:43:56 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > >  > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > Suppose you have a Retro mercury in your Birth Chart. Suppose you write a romantic Novel and then give it to the Publishers for approval. You will never receive your approval till the Mercury turns retrograde in transit. As simple as this.(Treat all planets in retro at your Birth time, in same manner). > > > > > > People talk of retrogression, but nobody talks of what will happen when. I talk only about Predictive Astrology and inputs which can help in predictions. I dont believe in nonsense articles or theories which mean nothing, which teach nothing, which help in no ways. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > You are so very right. The underlying principle of all questions are the same, I knew it. But I was not interested in serious decesions at the moment so gave an excuse. > > > > > > > > yes retro planets in Natal Chart will only give the results which they stand for - when they actually turn retroin transit . > > > > > > > > try it. > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > How gallant of you. Let us take up one question at a time. First one please? > > > > > Actually, if you were not so "relaxed", the underlying principle of all my questions is same. . > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am comfortable with one question at a time. Especially in the evenings I like to relax further. we will take your queries one at a time. Now which one first ? Awaiting your command. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > Your second para is a bit confusing. If a person has many retro planets,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ considering the fact that planets turn retro for a few months every year, if guru in retro in a persons chart and represents the eg lagna and the 10th house, do you mean to say, good things will happen career wise only during the months when guru is retro? > > > > > > > > > > > Or if saturn as 7th lord do you mean to say the marriage will be fixed only during hte months the saturn turns retro? > > > > > > > > > > > Or if guru is the 9th lord and retro, will the person progress spiritually or get lucky only during the months guru is retro provided as you said the nakshatra lord where these retro planets are situated is not retro? > > > > > > > > > > > suppose 6th lord in the eg you gave is also the 9th lord ? which will be the case if lagna is makara or cancer? > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predictive Astrology sans Theory Part. > > > > > > > > > > > Retrogressions if checked alongwith progressions ( 1 day per year) can also prove helpful in study of persons Life. For instance if Mars in direct motion at Birth in a girls chart, but turns retrograde after 25 days after her Birth, then from her 25th year onwards some changes will be noticed in her behaviourial patterns with regards to sexual preferences, inclinations etc. > > > > > > > > > > > For day to day results, if a planet is in retrograde condition at Birth,and suppose this planet signifies xyz results, then whenever in gochar, the planet turns retrograde again, uptil then these xyz results will not come in natives Life, and will get delayed till the planet turns retrograde.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > The above results will come only If the above planet is placed in a constellation( At Birth) whose Lord is not retrograde(At Birth). But if the constellation lord too is retrograde, then these xyz results may seem only a distant dream. > > > > > > > > > > > Apply these principles to the 6th house of any chart. The 6th house reveals a storehouse of informations about how much the native can earn in Life, and whether this earning will come easily or with lots of pains. > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have followed pretty much the logic Penny offers in this write up, which is actually quite the traditional approach. To put it another way, Retrogression isÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Pure Horse Power. It gives the planet brute strength to influence the native (strength from being close to the Earth and from being very slow in speed).ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Whether the strength results in positive or negative (usually both for different facets of life) depends on each chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concept of treating retrogression as an "affliction" is a "Western" astrology concept where a big deal is made about retrograde planet being an "afflicted planet".ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Just broadly treating retrograde planets as "weak" andÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ "unable to deliver results" does not work in practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 1:03:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RETROGRESSION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear ones, > > > > > > > > > > > > am sharing aÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ part of news letter from penny Farrow,a vedic astrologer/teacher below which may help those who are interested.She is very much interested in our shatras!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > //Infusing Freshness into Established Tradition > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > The third and fourth golden keys naturally go together and provide the mechanism whereby the stability of the tradition does not decay into staleness and dogma.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ The formal name for the third key is apurvata which essentially means a unique principle that is not available elsewhere in shastra or repeated within the shastra in which it occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apurvata can be extended somewhat to include a unique interpretation or elaboration of an established principle in shastra, However, it does NOT include coming up with something idiosyncratic that has no basis whatever in the tradition.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The "partner" to apurvata and the fourth golden key is phala which literally means results.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ It implies testingÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ the apurvata principle or unique interpretation over a significant period of time by many different jyotishis to confirm that it is a valid and substantial principle that is useful and replicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because a unique principle in shastra is an attention getter, apurvata is also a way of "red flagging" something and even startling the reader with what can appear to be a contradiction.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ An interesting example from a text called Phaladipika is a statement saying that exalted grahas that are retrograde give results akin to debilitated grahas.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those are "fighting words" to the ears of a well trained jyotishi who knows that both retrogression and exaltation makes a graha very strong. ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be meant by this odd statement?ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Apurvata is a way of signaling the need to stop and ponder the odd and unique statement and try to get to the underlying message.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ In this case, shastra is emphasizing the idea that an exalted planet that is also retrograde is extremely powerful but that this power does not always produce auspicious results for the native.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Picture if you will an exalted Saturn that is also retrograde sitting in the 7th house where it also has dig bala.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ There will be some matters that will be hugely enhanced by this Saturn but according to the context of the chart, it may also cause > huge difficulties.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those difficulties arise because this Saturn will afflict almost all of the primary relationships - partner by > > occupation of the 7th, father by aspect to the 9th, mother by aspect to the 4th and the lagna by aspecting into it as > > > a triply powerful malefic.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ In this way it may give > > > > > an outcome akin to a > > > > > > > > > > > debilitated graha... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a similar way, there is a statement that a debilitated graha that is retrograde gives the results of an exalted one!!ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ The intent here is likely to completely underscore the importance of retrogression as a way of providing an inherent strength to a graha. ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In neither of the above cases is one to literally expect either of the results all the time.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ It is the shastra's way of signaling that one must examine these occurrences very carefully, apply these principles to many charts through many years of practice in order to understand under what circumstances you will get the stated phala or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These two principles form a powerful combination insuring that in future generations, there can be both an examination of interesting "corners" of shastra and a fresh look at established principles through the lens of the current time and place.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ For example, where in the shastra does it deal with airplanes?ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Where are computers mentioned?ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ How do we deal with artificial insemination?ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ If Jyotisha is going to be relevant, we must be able to redefine and rework what the rishis say and apply them to all people in all times.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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