Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, Thanks for logical explanations which will surely come in handy to me in studying horoscopes. blessings, Renu , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Renu Ji, > > Yes you are correct. Key is Ma is also the 8L and Sa is 6L. 6L and 8L are notorious to break up marriages. When in the sequence 8L comes first and brings sudden developments and revelations and then when 6L period follows it is always a concern (since 6H is house of legal separation). >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ________________________________ > renunw <renunw > > Thu, December 24, 2009 11:31:22 PM > Re:Transists Combination at marriage > >  > > Dear Manoj ji, > > Let me see...Rahu/Mars and Ju/Sa periods will be almost consecutive dasas...a gap of roughly two years in between for Ju/Ju. > > Ra/Ma relationship is 8/6 in lagna and 2/12 in Navamsa charts. > > Ma is in close conjunction with retrograde LL Mercury and both are in Rahu's star. In Navamsa too Mercury is conjunct with Rahu. There is an exchange between 6L & LL in Lagna chart. May be the challenge is due to some health issues to this native... On the other hand Ra in the 11th is generally good. But again Ra is in the star of Mercury, the LL placed in 6H. > > Ju/Sa period will be the period of 7HL and 6HL [as far as marriage is concerned], retrograde and closely conjunct in Lagna. Hence challenges in marriage...quite possible. The positive side is both these planets are in the star of exalted Moon the 11L. > > Hope you will correct my reasoning if I am in the wrong path. > > Finally, thanks for the warning Manoj ji. > > blessings, > > Renu > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Renu Ji, > > > > Rahu -Mars and Ju -Sa will be the most challenging period. If they are able to survive that, it will be ok. > >  > > Regards, > >  -Manoj > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > renunw <renunw@> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Thu, December 24, 2009 7:10:33 PM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Transists Combination at marriage > > > >  > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > My purpose was to show that a significant event would take place when a retro planet in natal chart becomes retro in transit; Retro 7L Ju closely conjunct with Retro Sa aspecting 7H, and on the day of marriage this transit Sa will be in retro motion. > > > > Anyway, what you have shown would definitely bring a smile to this girl's mom. > > > > //Look at all the Nakshatras, Moon, Jupiter, Saturn, Venus, Ketu are all in the Nak of the powerful 11th lord, Moon. > > > > Navamsha looks much improved. LL of D-9 is in Venus's house (though with Saturn). Navamsha Lagna projected back to Rashi is the 7H. 7L Jupiter's position in Navamsha projected back to the Rashi is the 9H of the Rashi. 7L of D-9 is in the 10H.// > > > > As usual, you tend to look into every aspect, and see the good side of the chart. The above is something I overlooked.. .thanks for highlighting it. > > > > Definitely there are challenges in the relationship ...already. As I already mentioned the boy is an eccentric character. But she is a strong & determined girl...very dutiful to her widowed mom ....obviously this is evidenced by her strong Moon. > > > > Thanks Manoj ji:) > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Renu Ji, > > > > > > I disagree with Devisingh Ji with this prediction. There will be challenges but divorce is not a forgone conclusion. Jupiter in Lagna is a very powerful factor in her favour. It can cancel millions of afflictions. Yes, I see all the aspects of retro Sa on 7H and Ma on Ju, BUT, 7L Jupiter has gone to a good house. That cannot be ignored. Venus is conjuct Ketu, however he is also in trines to the powerful Moon and Jupiter. Look at all the Nakshatras, Moon, Jupiter, Saturn, Venus, Ketu are all in the Nak of the powerful 11th lord, Moon. > > > > > > Navamsha looks much improved. LL of D-9 is in Venus's house (though with Saturn). Navamsha Lagna projected back to Rashi is the 7H. 7L Jupiter's position in Navamsha projected back to the Rashi is the 9H of the Rashi. 7L of D-9 is in the 10H. > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > renunw <renunw@> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Thu, December 24, 2009 11:51:54 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Transists Combination at marriage > > > > > >  > > > Dear Devisingh, > > > > > > Thanks for your observations. I brought out this case as the chart got 3 retrograde planets and her marriage will take place when retro Saturn in transit aspect her 7H etc....Thought it is relevant to current discussions in the group. > > > > > > The marriage is yet to take place, and I pray and hope that there will be no separation. She herself is not sure whether she would be happy but getting married to release her mom of her responsibility. Father is dead. > > > > > > She is not in the field of computers... A banker working for agricultural aspects. She does have an analytical mind.... > > > > > > Initially a proposal turned out to be a love relationship. Her 5HL Jupiter aspects 7H. > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh <devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Renu Ji, > > > > > > > > Some more on fly observations. > > > > --dispute in marriage are there may lead to separation (marriage will > > > > not remains good) > > > > --have enginearing mind may be in field of computers. > > > > --might be love marriage (need to be looked) > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > Regards, > > > > Devisingh > > > > > > > > renunw wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > Talking about marriage and about retrograde planets, let me give you > > > > > an example chart where the marriage is fixed to take place on 20th Jan > > > > > 2010. > > > > > > > > > > She is Virgo lagna, LL Me is retrograde in exchange with 6L retrograde > > > > > Saturn. 7L Jupiter is retrograde in lagna. > > > > > > > > > > On 20th Jan 2010, retro Sa in transit will be aspecting her 7H from > > > > > her natal lagna & Moon. Transit Ju will be in her 6H. > > > > > > > > > > No double transit of Ju & Sa affecting her 7H from lagna/Moon/Venus. > > > > > > > > > > Her natal Ju & Sa is within 1 degree in conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > May be though Jupiter the 7HL, is not in retrograde motion on the > > > > > fixed day of her marriage, the close conjunction of Sa & Ju in her > > > > > natal chart, is conducive in giving marriage since Saturn is in > > > > > retrograde motion on this day, aspecting her 7H and conjunct with > > > > > natal 7HL retro Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > February 12, 1981 > > > > > Time: 20:40:00 > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > Place: 80 E 21' 00 " , 7 N 29' 00 " > > > > > Kurunegala, Sri Lanka > > > > > > > > > > Any comments...? > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > No its good that you presented this. Because now those in > > > > > proposition and those in opposition can discuss and argue to their > > > > > hearts content and all rest who do not participate can enjoy and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is a seperate factor to reckon with,in marriage. A strong mars > > > > > is necessary to keep the marriage going, to have children and force of > > > > > attraction. Without mars, agression cannot be there, and without > > > > > agressions two bodies cannot unite to keep the circle of recreation On > > > > > eternally. Mars produces Fire, Pourush, Shakti, bala, Iccha Chakti and > > > > > Vaasna.It rules over animal instinct and without this one will not > > > > > approach the other for Sex. Hence a strong Mars is necessary for happy > > > > > marriage. But not an afflicted one. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said by propogators of Double Transit theory that Mars is the > > > > > pointer for the month of marriage. (This is a good one for postmartem. > > > > > For future predictions I would invite them to take 20 Charts and > > > > > predict when marriage will be in future). > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, " Chakraborty, PL " > > > > > <CHAKRABORTYP2@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar-ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am aware about the 'double transit theory' and actual high > > > > > probability > > > > > > > of finding aspects from Tr Sat & Jup in any house. Sat & Jup, both > > > > > having > > > > > > > 3 aspects each, aspecting some 'sensitive point' & 7th > > > > > thereof..... .. that > > > > > > > will happen many a times for a person. And I also agree to the > > > > > fact that > > > > > > > Millions born withing approx 2 hrs window should get married as > > > > > per this theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree to your viewpoint and I also share the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did write & referred to Mr. Rayudu's article for two purpose > > > > > only.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Mars is considered as a Karaka for marriage in Nadi system. > > > > > > > 2) The theory of transits aspectsing Mars is quite old (at least > > > > > 1993 onwards > > > > > > > as mentioned by Mr. Rayudu). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chakraborty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > [ancient_ indian_ astrology > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:22 PM > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Transists Combination at > > > > > marriage-Devisingh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Jupiter during transit conjoins or aspects natal Mars or 7th > > > > > sign from natal Mars. > > > > > > > Saturn during transit conjoins or aspects natal Mars or 7th sign > > > > > from natal Mars. > > > > > > > Jupiter during transit conjoins or aspects navamsa lagna or > > > > > navamsa lagna lord. > > > > > > > Saturn during transit conjoins or aspects navamsa lagna or navamsa > > > > > lagna lord. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been through all this, and find these rules an absolute > > > > > joke.If It was easy to predict marriages through such rules, then > > > > > everybody here would not be on the forum , but busy in catering to a > > > > > line outside his house looking for dates for marriages of their children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The double transits of saturn and Jupiter are a farce actually. > > > > > Because at any given time, one of the planets is going to aspect one > > > > > of the critical points (Given) in its motion and this does not produce > > > > > marriage evrytime. If just transits could produce marriage , then tell > > > > > me those with same planetary combinations born during 1 and a half > > > > > hour of same Lagna position (Millions) would be married at same time, > > > > > but this does not happen in Real life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry, these are my views. Those who do not like may ignore this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>< ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > " Chakraborty, PL " <CHAKRABORTYP2@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an article on " Marriage date - A Nadi method " > > > > > > > > http://www.rayuduas trology.com/ <http://www.rayuduas trology.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The salient point is .... Natal mars is of primary importance. > > > > > > > > Tr sat & Jup provides the fructification. Rahu / Ketu delays it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The important points mentioned are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NADI METHOD RULES FOR MARRIAGE AGE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following are the main rules for arriving at probable > > > > > marriage age: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Jupiter during transit conjoins or aspects natal Mars or 7th > > > > > sign from natal Mars. > > > > > > > > 2. Saturn during transit conjoins or aspects natal Mars or 7th > > > > > sign from natal Mars. > > > > > > > > 3. Jupiter during transit conjoins or aspects navamsa lagna or > > > > > navamsa lagna lord. > > > > > > > > 4. Saturn during transit conjoins or aspects navamsa lagna or > > > > > navamsa lagna lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following additional points may also be noted: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. When Jupiter, Saturn or Mars is retrograde in birth chart in > > > > > a particular sign, they are to be considered to be in the previous > > > > > sign also and age is to be counted from there. > > > > > > > > 2. When Jupiter is in about 1 degree and Saturn is about 3 > > > > > degrees in the beginning of a sign, they are to be considered to be in > > > > > the previous sign also as per the Vakya Siddhanta followed by nadi > > > > > astrology and age is to be counted from there. > > > > > > > > 3. When Rahu is with Mars or next sign to Mars, the 4th sign > > > > > from mars would be the sensitive point for interaction with transits > > > > > of Jupiter, Saturn , Rahu. > > > > > > > > 4. When Rahu is in opposite sign to mars, the 4th sign from > > > > > there, that is,. the 10th sign form natal Mars is to be considered as > > > > > the sensitive point. > > > > > > > > 5. When Mars is in parivartana ( exchange of signs) with another > > > > > planet, Mars is to be considered to be in own sign acting as the > > > > > sensitive point. > > > > > > > > 6. When Mars is retrograde with Rahu, first Mars is to be place > > > > > in the previous sign and the 4th sign from there is to be considered > > > > > as the sensitive point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Hope it helps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chakraborty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>< ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > > [ancient_ indian_ astrology > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>< ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>] > > > > > On Behalf Of devisigh > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:00 PM > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>< ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Transists Combination > > > > > at marriage-Devisingh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me put my thoughts > > > > > > > > " Marriage " The word itself deals with number of image in mind > > > > > Let me clear that we should drop that word first and just look to > > > > > combination alone if that can tell anything. > > > > > > > > I have checked that this works for most of charts of so called > > > > > arranged marriage as i have to start from something. > > > > > > > > I have not mentioned all points of techniques as this is from > > > > > saptrishi so thouse who aware and experimented can have their comments > > > > > so that was purpose to share results of experiment if they have. > > > > > > > > To find out date of Marriage is not something motive as all are > > > > > having there personal approach to reach date.(however this can help in > > > > > final decision) > > > > > > > > aspects from Ju,St are considered to fructify event but aspects > > > > > from nodes are considered as delay or hindrance... .personally i have > > > > > seen that such delay could be in any term or some hindrance to reveal > > > > > marriage.... nodes may cojoin or aspected by St/Gu as well in such > > > > > case......Please check for below chart or provide date of marriage so > > > > > can be looked. > > > > > > > > There are cases for multiple marriage and also cases for No > > > > > Marriage,Personally i am not thinking in that way (No marriage does > > > > > not mean no awareness of marriage if this makes sense) > > > > > > > > This is nothing related to promise of so called marriage as well. > > > > > > > > I was expecting something positive outcome can be concluded by > > > > > considering such combination and taking Ma as Point of Reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking in a way that Ma Signify body and child become > > > > > adult and have Body Change (internal hormones are changed) > > > > > > > > Does it tells something in that area? > > > > > > > > Can we apply a conclusion that Testosterone or something else > > > > > can gets fructify? > > > > > > > > I guess some conclusion can also be taken in that way so that > > > > > Can be applied for non-human (Animals, plants) as well in different way? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anybody can express there views and can check technique and > > > > > provide there comments...may be helpfull > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --i hope this makes sense > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Devisingh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devisingh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This technique does not work with " non-arranged " marriage. Here > > > > > is one marriage date of an acquaintance: Mar 22, 1986, Chicago > > > > > Illinois, USA. While one condition of Ju or Sa aspecting Ma or 7H from > > > > > Ma is satisfied, the other conditon of Nodes not aspecting is not > > > > > satisfied, since Ra is in trines to Ma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>< ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 12:57:05 PM > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Transists Combination > > > > > at marriage-Devisingh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nadia Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Ju/Sa may bring marriage but the question is WILL they? > > > > > Since this is predictive astrology, when a certain technique can give > > > > > positive results more than 70% of the time, how to use it to predict? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact what I find more interesting than Ju/Sa aspects are the > > > > > NON-aspects of the Nodes. May be if we combine the non-aspects of > > > > > Nodes with the aspect of Ju/Sa then we get a more tolearable > > > > > probability. Some body who is better in Probability theory than me > > > > > needs to do this math. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > Nadia <nadiadeol (AT) (DOT) ca><nadiadeo l@> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 12:45:50 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Transists Combination at > > > > > marriage-Devisingh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devisingh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation that Jupiter and Saturn bring marriage is very > > > > > accurate. Both planets are about perpetuating the human > > > > > condition,which includes procreation hence the necessity of marriage > > > > > which in almost all human cultures is the usual way people generate > > > > > progeny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though Mars is not karaka for marriage, Mars in mythology > > > > > desires love and marriage very much though it is denied as Mars is at > > > > > heart a Bharmchariya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the conjunction or aspect in transition of Jupiter or Saturn > > > > > may grant Mars' desire for union, which is pretty cool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination of planetary energies can either deny or grant human > > > > > desires, it is what needs to be examined in individual charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 12/22/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > <http://. com/ <http://. com/>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Transists > > > > > Combination at marriage > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Received: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 1:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vidya Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the Karaka for marriage not Jupiter. Ofcourse Jupiter > > > > > Transit is critical and has been mentioned in this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > Vidya <vidyakmr >< vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 8:45:34 AM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Transists Combination > > > > > at marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about jupiter transit as karaka for marriage? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " Chakraborty, PL " <CHAKRABORTYP2@ ...>< CHAKRABORTYP2@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devisingh-ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is probably considered as Karaka for Husband in Nadi > > > > > Astrology. > > > > > > > > > In tradional astrology too, Mangal / Mangalyasthan has > > > > > something to do with > > > > > > > > > marriage for girls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chakraborty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > [ancient_ indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of devisigh > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 22, 2009 4:20 PM > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Transists Combination at > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have checked some combination mentioned in Nadi technique in > > > > > saptrishi > > > > > > > > > seems works. > > > > > > > > > At time of marriage(i have seen for arrange marriage not sure > > > > > for else) > > > > > > > > > --Ju or St not nodes Aspects/Cojoin Ma or 7th house from Ma > > > > > (take Ma in > > > > > > > > > previous sign if it is retrograde) > > > > > > > > > --Ju or St not nodes Aspects/Cojoin Navamsa Lord or Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Irrespective of Lagan Sign they works considering Ma here....... > > > > > > > > > Can anybody put there thought was Ma is considered as Karka here? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Devisingh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New > > > > > Delhi, India. 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Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Dear Renu ji,Thanks.."This and that too passes" is phylosophy of my LIFE.//though the boy is a bit peculiar, //It may be due to exal MO(mind) in U/P/L asp by Mars.Warm regards,gopi. , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> > Dear Gopi ji,> > // it is the same UNPREDICTABILITY which we try to predict and fail//> > Exactly..I like it..ha ha.. a good saying Gopi ji. The only prediction that we can give without fail is that nothing is permanent in this life. Hence, whether we go through bad/good periods we need to realize this impermanency so that we may worry less.> > I got your point on UL. Thanks. Yes, though the boy is a bit peculiar, the family is supposed to be good, especially his sisters.> > I should have given this as a quiz to predict the date of her marriage, but now too late:)> > blessings,> > Renu> , "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > I am looking through a different perspective(view point).Upapada lagna> > in 9thH with exal 11thL moon from lagna which is good for marriage that> > too when it is asp by jup.> > In transit both jup and sat are aspg 2nd (family)from> > U/L(gemini/couple).Jup in 10th(karma) with moon(3L) from U/L is a> > blessing.> > //I did not panic...as a believer in karma, I know life is most> > unpredictable.//> > For a believer or non believer it is the same UNPREDICTABILITY which we> > try to predict and fail> > many times.....That's LIFE.Is it not?....> > Regards,> > gopi.> > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Devisingh ji,> > >> > > It was not a mistake from your side....you wrote what was obvious in> > the chart.> > >> > > Yes, I agree with Bhaskar ji that we better not talk about certain> > things. Anyway, I did not panic...as a believer in karma, I know life is> > most unpredictable.> > >> > > blessings,> > >> > > renu> > >> > > , devisigh> > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Renu Ji,> > > >> > > > I think i have made some mistake here....Thanks to Bhaskar Ji...I> > accept> > > > my mistake and Really Sorry if this does related to some panic....I> > was> > > > not expecting this...rather have impression ....learning is crux of> > > > group and mostly astrologer aware of this....may know the truth> > behind> > > > chart they reveal......> > > >> > > > Actually "Any comments...?" i have taken in 2 way so replied in 2> > thread> > > >> > > > --innocent> > > > ------------------> > > > Regards,> > > > Devisingh> > > >> > > > Bhaskar wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear Devisinghji ,> > > > >> > > > > I had cautioned once or twice before too, that an astrologer must> > not> > > > > answer more than he is asked to. I believe here Renuji was asking> > > > > about how the marriage could be connected to the chart or Transit,> > and> > > > > you are talking about sepertions/Divorce even before marriage has> > > > > taken place. Suppose this chart is related to somebody closely> > > > > connected blood wise to Renuji, then what would be the effect ?> > And in> > > > > any case whether closely connected or not, such grave predictions> > > > > given before the marriage is held needs substantiating support of> > > > > astrological pointers as well as string logic, because this is a> > > > > sensitive issue, and as a responsible astrologer if you think> > > > > seperation is bound to happen, then you could make them avoid this> > by> > > > > suggesting them not to marry.> > > > >> > > > > If I am mistaken please correct me.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, devisigh> > > > > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Renu Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Some more on fly observations.> > > > > > --dispute in marriage are there may lead to separation (marriage> > will> > > > > > not remains good)> > > > > > --have enginearing mind may be in field of computers.> > > > > > --might be love marriage (need to be looked)> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------------> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Devisingh> > > > > >> > > > > > renunw wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Talking about marriage and about retrograde planets, let me> > give you> > > > > > > an example chart where the marriage is fixed to take place on> > 20th> > > > > Jan> > > > > > > 2010.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > She is Virgo lagna, LL Me is retrograde in exchange with 6L> > > > > retrograde> > > > > > > Saturn. 7L Jupiter is retrograde in lagna.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 20th Jan 2010, retro Sa in transit will be aspecting her 7H> > from> > > > > > > her natal lagna & Moon. Transit Ju will be in her 6H.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > No double transit of Ju & Sa affecting her 7H from> > lagna/Moon/Venus.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Her natal Ju & Sa is within 1 degree in conjunction.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > May be though Jupiter the 7HL, is not in retrograde motion on> > the> > > > > > > fixed day of her marriage, the close conjunction of Sa & Ju in> > her> > > > > > > natal chart, is conducive in giving marriage since Saturn is> > in> > > > > > > retrograde motion on this day, aspecting her 7H and conjunct> > with> > > > > > > natal 7HL retro Jupiter.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > February 12, 1981> > > > > > > Time: 20:40:00> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > Place: 80 E 21' 00", 7 N 29' 00"> > > > > > > Kurunegala, Sri Lanka> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Any comments...?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > No its good that you presented this. Because now those in> > > > > > > proposition and those in opposition can discuss and argue to> > their> > > > > > > hearts content and all rest who do not participate can enjoy> > and> > > > > learn.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Mars is a seperate factor to reckon with,in marriage. A> > strong mars> > > > > > > is necessary to keep the marriage going, to have children and> > > > > force of> > > > > > > attraction. Without mars, agression cannot be there, and> > without> > > > > > > agressions two bodies cannot unite to keep the circle of> > > > > recreation On> > > > > > > eternally. Mars produces Fire, Pourush, Shakti, bala, Iccha> > Chakti> > > > > and> > > > > > > Vaasna.It rules over animal instinct and without this one will> > not> > > > > > > approach the other for Sex. Hence a strong Mars is necessary> > for> > > > > happy> > > > > > > marriage. But not an afflicted one.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It is said by propogators of Double Transit theory that Mars> > is the> > > > > > > pointer for the month of marriage. (This is a good one for> > > > > postmartem.> > > > > > > For future predictions I would invite them to take 20 Charts> > and> > > > > > > predict when marriage will be in future).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > <%40>,> > "Chakraborty,> > > > > PL"> > > > > > > <CHAKRABORTYP2@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar-ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am aware about the 'double transit theory' and actual> > high> > > > > > > probability> > > > > > > > > of finding aspects from Tr Sat & Jup in any house. Sat & > > Jup,> > > > > both> > > > > > > having> > > > > > > > > 3 aspects each, aspecting some 'sensitive point' & 7th> > > > > > > thereof....... that> > > > > > > > > will happen many a times for a person. And I also agree to> > the> > > > > > > fact that> > > > > > > > > Millions born withing approx 2 hrs window should get> > married as> > > > > > > per this theory.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree to your viewpoint and I also share the same.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I did write & referred to Mr. Rayudu's article for two> > purpose> > > > > > > only....> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1) Mars is considered as a Karaka for marriage in Nadi> > system.> > > > > > > > > 2) The theory of transits aspectsing Mars is quite old (at> > least> > > > > > > 1993 onwards> > > > > > > > > as mentioned by Mr. Rayudu).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Chakraborty> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > [ > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > <%40>] On Behalf> > Of> > > > > Bhaskar> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:22 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > > > Re:Transists> > Combination at> > > > > > > marriage-Devisingh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Jupiter during transit conjoins or aspects natal Mars> > or 7th> > > > > > > sign from natal Mars.> > > > > > > > > Saturn during transit conjoins or aspects natal Mars or> > 7th sign> > > > > > > from natal Mars.> > > > > > > > > Jupiter during transit conjoins or aspects navamsa lagna> > or> > > > > > > navamsa lagna lord.> > > > > > > > > Saturn during transit conjoins or aspects navamsa lagna or> > > > > navamsa> > > > > > > lagna lord. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I have been through all this, and find these rules an> > absolute> > > > > > > joke.If It was easy to predict marriages through such rules,> > then> > > > > > > everybody here would not be on the forum , but busy in> > catering to a> > > > > > > line outside his house looking for dates for marriages of> > their> > > > > children.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The double transits of saturn and Jupiter are a farce> > actually.> > > > > > > Because at any given time, one of the planets is going to> > aspect one> > > > > > > of the critical points (Given) in its motion and this does not> > > > > produce> > > > > > > marriage evrytime. If just transits could produce marriage ,> > then> > > > > tell> > > > > > > me those with same planetary combinations born during 1 and a> > half> > > > > > > hour of same Lagna position (Millions) would be married at> > same time,> > > > > > > but this does not happen in Real life.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am sorry, these are my views. Those who do not like may> > > > > ignore this.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > >> > > > >> > <%40><ancient_india\> > n_astrology%40>,> > > > >> > > > > > > "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is an article on "Marriage date - A Nadi method"> > > > > > > > > > http://www.rayuduastrology.com/> > > > > <http://www.rayuduastrology.com/> <http://www.rayuduastrology.com/> > > > > <http://www.rayuduastrology.com/>>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The salient point is .... Natal mars is of primary> > importance.> > > > > > > > > > Tr sat & Jup provides the fructification. Rahu / Ketu> > delays it.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The important points mentioned are> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > NADI METHOD RULES FOR MARRIAGE AGE> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The following are the main rules for arriving at> > probable> > > > > > > marriage age:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Jupiter during transit conjoins or aspects natal Mars> > or 7th> > > > > > > sign from natal Mars.> > > > > > > > > > 2. Saturn during transit conjoins or aspects natal Mars> > or 7th> > > > > > > sign from natal Mars.> > > > > > > > > > 3. Jupiter during transit conjoins or aspects navamsa> > lagna or> > > > > > > navamsa lagna lord.> > > > > > > > > > 4. Saturn during transit conjoins or aspects navamsa> > lagna or> > > > > > > navamsa lagna lord.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The following additional points may also be noted:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. When Jupiter, Saturn or Mars is retrograde in birth> > chart in> > > > > > > a particular sign, they are to be considered to be in the> > previous> > > > > > > sign also and age is to be counted from there.> > > > > > > > > > 2. When Jupiter is in about 1 degree and Saturn is about> > 3> > > > > > > degrees in the beginning of a sign, they are to be considered> > to> > > > > be in> > > > > > > the previous sign also as per the Vakya Siddhanta followed by> > nadi> > > > > > > astrology and age is to be counted from there.> > > > > > > > > > 3. When Rahu is with Mars or next sign to Mars, the 4th> > sign> > > > > > > from mars would be the sensitive point for interaction with> > transits> > > > > > > of Jupiter, Saturn , Rahu.> > > > > > > > > > 4. When Rahu is in opposite sign to mars, the 4th sign> > from> > > > > > > there, that is,. the 10th sign form natal Mars is to be> > considered as> > > > > > > the sensitive point.> > > > > > > > > > 5. When Mars is in parivartana ( exchange of signs) with> > > > > another> > > > > > > planet, Mars is to be considered to be in own sign acting as> > the> > > > > > > sensitive point.> > > > > > > > > > 6. When Mars is retrograde with Rahu, first Mars is to> > be place> > > > > > > in the previous sign and the 4th sign from there is to be> > considered> > > > > > > as the sensitive point.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 'Hope it helps> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chakraborty> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > >> > > > >> > <%40><ancient_india\> > n_astrology%40>> > > > >> > > > > > > [ > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > >> > > > >> > <%40><ancient_india\> > n_astrology%40>]> > > > >> > > > > > > On Behalf Of devisigh> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > >> > > > >> > <%40><ancient_india\> > n_astrology%40>> > > > > > > > > > Re: Re:Transists> > > > > Combination> > > > > > > at marriage-Devisingh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Let me put my thoughts> > > > > > > > > > "Marriage" The word itself deals with number of image in> > mind> > > > > > > Let me clear that we should drop that word first and just look> > to> > > > > > > combination alone if that can tell anything.> > > > > > > > > > I have checked that this works for most of charts of so> > called> > > > > > > arranged marriage as i have to start from something.> > > > > > > > > > I have not mentioned all points of techniques as this is> > from> > > > > > > saptrishi so thouse who aware and experimented can have their> > > > > comments> > > > > > > so that was purpose to share results of experiment if they> > have.> > > > > > > > > > To find out date of Marriage is not something motive as> > all are> > > > > > > having there personal approach to reach date.(however this can> > > > > help in> > > > > > > final decision)> > > > > > > > > > aspects from Ju,St are considered to fructify event but> > aspects> > > > > > > from nodes are considered as delay or hindrance....personally> > i have> > > > > > > seen that such delay could be in any term or some hindrance to> > reveal> > > > > > > marriage....nodes may cojoin or aspected by St/Gu as well in> > such> > > > > > > case......Please check for below chart or provide date of> > marriage so> > > > > > > can be looked.> > > > > > > > > > There are cases for multiple marriage and also cases for> > No> > > > > > > Marriage,Personally i am not thinking in that way (No marriage> > does> > > > > > > not mean no awareness of marriage if this makes sense)> > > > > > > > > > This is nothing related to promise of so called marriage> > as> > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > I was expecting something positive outcome can be> > concluded by> > > > > > > considering such combination and taking Ma as Point of> > Reference.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I was thinking in a way that Ma Signify body and child> > become> > > > > > > adult and have Body Change (internal hormones are changed)> > > > > > > > > > Does it tells something in that area?> > > > > > > > > > Can we apply a conclusion that Testosterone or something> > else> > > > > > > can gets fructify?> > > > > > > > > > I guess some conclusion can also be taken in that way so> > that> > > > > > > Can be applied for non-human (Animals, plants) as well in> > > > > different way?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Anybody can express there views and can check technique> > and> > > > > > > provide there comments...may be helpfull> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --i hope this makes sense> > > > > > > > > > ------------------> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Devisingh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Devisingh Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This technique does not work with "non-arranged"> > marriage. Here> > > > > > > is one marriage date of an acquaintance: Mar 22, 1986, Chicago> > > > > > > Illinois, USA. While one condition of Ju or Sa aspecting Ma or> > 7H> > > > > from> > > > > > > Ma is satisfied, the other conditon of Nodes not aspecting is> > not> > > > > > > satisfied, since Ra is in trines to Ma.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > >> > > > >> > <%40><ancient_india\> > n_astrology%40>> > > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 12:57:05 PM> > > > > > > > > > Re: Re:Transists> > > > > Combination> > > > > > > at marriage-Devisingh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Nadia Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yes, Ju/Sa may bring marriage but the question is WILL> > they?> > > > > > > Since this is predictive astrology, when a certain technique> > can give> > > > > > > positive results more than 70% of the time, how to use it to> > predict?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Infact what I find more interesting than Ju/Sa aspects> > are the> > > > > > > NON-aspects of the Nodes. May be if we combine the non-aspects> > of> > > > > > > Nodes with the aspect of Ju/Sa then we get a more tolearable> > > > > > > probability. Some body who is better in Probability theory> > than me> > > > > > > needs to do this math.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > Nadia nadiadeol (AT) (DOT) ca><nadiadeol@>> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 12:45:50 PM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Transists> > > > > Combination at> > > > > > > marriage-Devisingh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Devisingh,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > your observation that Jupiter and Saturn bring marriage> > is very> > > > > > > accurate. Both planets are about perpetuating the human> > > > > > > condition,which includes procreation hence the necessity of> > marriage> > > > > > > which in almost all human cultures is the usual way people> > generate> > > > > > > progeny.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > though Mars is not karaka for marriage, Mars in> > mythology> > > > > > > desires love and marriage very much though it is denied as> > Mars is at> > > > > > > heart a Bharmchariya.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > so the conjunction or aspect in transition of Jupiter or> > Saturn> > > > > > > may grant Mars' desire for union, which is pretty cool.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > combination of planetary energies can either deny or> > grant> > > > > human> > > > > > > desires, it is what needs to be examined in individual charts.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > thanks,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nadia> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 12/22/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> > > > > > > <http:/// <http:///>> > <http:///> > > > > <http:///>>>> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Transists> > > > > > > Combination at marriage> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Received: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 1:46 PM> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Vidya Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Venus is the Karaka for marriage not Jupiter. Ofcourse> > Jupiter> > > > > > > Transit is critical and has been mentioned in this discussion.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > Vidya vidyakmr ><vidyakmr@>> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 8:45:34 AM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Transists> > Combination> > > > > > > at marriage> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > What about jupiter transit as karaka for marriage?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > > "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2@ ...><CHAKRABORTYP2@>> > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devisingh-ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Mars is probably considered as Karaka for Husband in> > Nadi> > > > > > > Astrology.> > > > > > > > > > > In tradional astrology too, Mangal / Mangalyasthan has> > > > > > > something to do with> > > > > > > > > > > marriage for girls.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Chakraborty> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf> > Of> > > > > devisigh> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 22, 2009 4:20 PM> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Transists> > Combination at> > > > > > > marriage> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I have checked some combination mentioned in Nadi> > > > > technique in> > > > > > > saptrishi> > > > > > > > > > > seems works.> > > > > > > > > > > At time of marriage(i have seen for arrange marriage> > not sure> > > > > > > for else)> > > > > > > > > > > --Ju or St not nodes Aspects/Cojoin Ma or 7th house> > from Ma> > > > > > > (take Ma in> > > > > > > > > > > previous sign if it is retrograde)> > > > > > > > > > > --Ju or St not nodes Aspects/Cojoin Navamsa Lord or> > Navamsa> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Irrespective of Lagan Sign they works considering Ma> > > > > here.......> > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody put there thought was Ma is considered as> > > > > Karka here?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------ ------> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Devisingh> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging> > Gateway, New> > > > > > > Delhi, India. 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Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Dear Renu ji,forgot to add that the dispositor of moon is with ketu aswell asp by retro jup(7L) with sat® from Lagna and 5th from U/P/L!!!!....Regards,gopi. , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> > Dear Gopi ji,> > // it is the same UNPREDICTABILITY which we try to predict and fail//> > Exactly..I like it..ha ha.. a good saying Gopi ji. The only prediction that we can give without fail is that nothing is permanent in this life. Hence, whether we go through bad/good periods we need to realize this impermanency so that we may worry less.> > I got your point on UL. Thanks. Yes, though the boy is a bit peculiar, the family is supposed to be good, especially his sisters.> > I should have given this as a quiz to predict the date of her marriage, but now too late:)> > blessings,> > Renu> , "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > I am looking through a different perspective(view point).Upapada lagna> > in 9thH with exal 11thL moon from lagna which is good for marriage that> > too when it is asp by jup.> > In transit both jup and sat are aspg 2nd (family)from> > U/L(gemini/couple).Jup in 10th(karma) with moon(3L) from U/L is a> > blessing.> > //I did not panic...as a believer in karma, I know life is most> > unpredictable.//> > For a believer or non believer it is the same UNPREDICTABILITY which we> > try to predict and fail> > many times.....That's LIFE.Is it not?....> > Regards,> > gopi.> > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Devisingh ji,> > >> > > It was not a mistake from your side....you wrote what was obvious in> > the chart.> > >> > > Yes, I agree with Bhaskar ji that we better not talk about certain> > things. Anyway, I did not panic...as a believer in karma, I know life is> > most unpredictable.> > >> > > blessings,> > >> > > renu> > >> > > , devisigh> > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Renu Ji,> > > >> > > > I think i have made some mistake here....Thanks to Bhaskar Ji...I> > accept> > > > my mistake and Really Sorry if this does related to some panic....I> > was> > > > not expecting this...rather have impression ....learning is crux of> > > > group and mostly astrologer aware of this....may know the truth> > behind> > > > chart they reveal......> > > >> > > > Actually "Any comments...?" i have taken in 2 way so replied in 2> > thread> > > >> > > > --innocent> > > > ------------------> > > > Regards,> > > > Devisingh> > > >> > > > Bhaskar wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear Devisinghji ,> > > > >> > > > > I had cautioned once or twice before too, that an astrologer must> > not> > > > > answer more than he is asked to. I believe here Renuji was asking> > > > > about how the marriage could be connected to the chart or Transit,> > and> > > > > you are talking about sepertions/Divorce even before marriage has> > > > > taken place. Suppose this chart is related to somebody closely> > > > > connected blood wise to Renuji, then what would be the effect ?> > And in> > > > > any case whether closely connected or not, such grave predictions> > > > > given before the marriage is held needs substantiating support of> > > > > astrological pointers as well as string logic, because this is a> > > > > sensitive issue, and as a responsible astrologer if you think> > > > > seperation is bound to happen, then you could make them avoid this> > by> > > > > suggesting them not to marry.> > > > >> > > > > If I am mistaken please correct me.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, devisigh> > > > > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Renu Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Some more on fly observations.> > > > > > --dispute in marriage are there may lead to separation (marriage> > will> > > > > > not remains good)> > > > > > --have enginearing mind may be in field of computers.> > > > > > --might be love marriage (need to be looked)> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------------> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Devisingh> > > > > >> > > > > > renunw wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Talking about marriage and about retrograde planets, let me> > give you> > > > > > > an example chart where the marriage is fixed to take place on> > 20th> > > > > Jan> > > > > > > 2010.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > She is Virgo lagna, LL Me is retrograde in exchange with 6L> > > > > retrograde> > > > > > > Saturn. 7L Jupiter is retrograde in lagna.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 20th Jan 2010, retro Sa in transit will be aspecting her 7H> > from> > > > > > > her natal lagna & Moon. Transit Ju will be in her 6H.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > No double transit of Ju & Sa affecting her 7H from> > lagna/Moon/Venus.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Her natal Ju & Sa is within 1 degree in conjunction.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > May be though Jupiter the 7HL, is not in retrograde motion on> > the> > > > > > > fixed day of her marriage, the close conjunction of Sa & Ju in> > her> > > > > > > natal chart, is conducive in giving marriage since Saturn is> > in> > > > > > > retrograde motion on this day, aspecting her 7H and conjunct> > with> > > > > > > natal 7HL retro Jupiter.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > February 12, 1981> > > > > > > Time: 20:40:00> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > Place: 80 E 21' 00", 7 N 29' 00"> > > > > > > Kurunegala, Sri Lanka> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Any comments...?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > No its good that you presented this. Because now those in> > > > > > > proposition and those in opposition can discuss and argue to> > their> > > > > > > hearts content and all rest who do not participate can enjoy> > and> > > > > learn.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Mars is a seperate factor to reckon with,in marriage. A> > strong mars> > > > > > > is necessary to keep the marriage going, to have children and> > > > > force of> > > > > > > attraction. Without mars, agression cannot be there, and> > without> > > > > > > agressions two bodies cannot unite to keep the circle of> > > > > recreation On> > > > > > > eternally. Mars produces Fire, Pourush, Shakti, bala, Iccha> > Chakti> > > > > and> > > > > > > Vaasna.It rules over animal instinct and without this one will> > not> > > > > > > approach the other for Sex. Hence a strong Mars is necessary> > for> > > > > happy> > > > > > > marriage. But not an afflicted one.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It is said by propogators of Double Transit theory that Mars> > is the> > > > > > > pointer for the month of marriage. (This is a good one for> > > > > postmartem.> > > > > > > For future predictions I would invite them to take 20 Charts> > and> > > > > > > predict when marriage will be in future).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > <%40>,> > "Chakraborty,> > > > > PL"> > > > > > > <CHAKRABORTYP2@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar-ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am aware about the 'double transit theory' and actual> > high> > > > > > > probability> > > > > > > > > of finding aspects from Tr Sat & Jup in any house. Sat & > > Jup,> > > > > both> > > > > > > having> > > > > > > > > 3 aspects each, aspecting some 'sensitive point' & 7th> > > > > > > thereof....... that> > > > > > > > > will happen many a times for a person. And I also agree to> > the> > > > > > > fact that> > > > > > > > > Millions born withing approx 2 hrs window should get> > married as> > > > > > > per this theory.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree to your viewpoint and I also share the same.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I did write & referred to Mr. Rayudu's article for two> > purpose> > > > > > > only....> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1) Mars is considered as a Karaka for marriage in Nadi> > system.> > > > > > > > > 2) The theory of transits aspectsing Mars is quite old (at> > least> > > > > > > 1993 onwards> > > > > > > > > as mentioned by Mr. Rayudu).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Chakraborty> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > [ > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > <%40>] On Behalf> > Of> > > > > Bhaskar> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:22 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > > > Re:Transists> > Combination at> > > > > > > marriage-Devisingh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Chakroborty ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // Jupiter during transit conjoins or aspects natal Mars> > or 7th> > > > > > > sign from natal Mars.> > > > > > > > > Saturn during transit conjoins or aspects natal Mars or> > 7th sign> > > > > > > from natal Mars.> > > > > > > > > Jupiter during transit conjoins or aspects navamsa lagna> > or> > > > > > > navamsa lagna lord.> > > > > > > > > Saturn during transit conjoins or aspects navamsa lagna or> > > > > navamsa> > > > > > > lagna lord. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I have been through all this, and find these rules an> > absolute> > > > > > > joke.If It was easy to predict marriages through such rules,> > then> > > > > > > everybody here would not be on the forum , but busy in> > catering to a> > > > > > > line outside his house looking for dates for marriages of> > their> > > > > children.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The double transits of saturn and Jupiter are a farce> > actually.> > > > > > > Because at any given time, one of the planets is going to> > aspect one> > > > > > > of the critical points (Given) in its motion and this does not> > > > > produce> > > > > > > marriage evrytime. If just transits could produce marriage ,> > then> > > > > tell> > > > > > > me those with same planetary combinations born during 1 and a> > half> > > > > > > hour of same Lagna position (Millions) would be married at> > same time,> > > > > > > but this does not happen in Real life.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am sorry, these are my views. Those who do not like may> > > > > ignore this.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > >> > > > >> > <%40><ancient_india\> > n_astrology%40>,> > > > >> > > > > > > "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is an article on "Marriage date - A Nadi method"> > > > > > > > > > http://www.rayuduastrology.com/> > > > > <http://www.rayuduastrology.com/> <http://www.rayuduastrology.com/> > > > > <http://www.rayuduastrology.com/>>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The salient point is .... Natal mars is of primary> > importance.> > > > > > > > > > Tr sat & Jup provides the fructification. Rahu / Ketu> > delays it.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The important points mentioned are> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > NADI METHOD RULES FOR MARRIAGE AGE> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The following are the main rules for arriving at> > probable> > > > > > > marriage age:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Jupiter during transit conjoins or aspects natal Mars> > or 7th> > > > > > > sign from natal Mars.> > > > > > > > > > 2. Saturn during transit conjoins or aspects natal Mars> > or 7th> > > > > > > sign from natal Mars.> > > > > > > > > > 3. Jupiter during transit conjoins or aspects navamsa> > lagna or> > > > > > > navamsa lagna lord.> > > > > > > > > > 4. Saturn during transit conjoins or aspects navamsa> > lagna or> > > > > > > navamsa lagna lord.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The following additional points may also be noted:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. When Jupiter, Saturn or Mars is retrograde in birth> > chart in> > > > > > > a particular sign, they are to be considered to be in the> > previous> > > > > > > sign also and age is to be counted from there.> > > > > > > > > > 2. When Jupiter is in about 1 degree and Saturn is about> > 3> > > > > > > degrees in the beginning of a sign, they are to be considered> > to> > > > > be in> > > > > > > the previous sign also as per the Vakya Siddhanta followed by> > nadi> > > > > > > astrology and age is to be counted from there.> > > > > > > > > > 3. When Rahu is with Mars or next sign to Mars, the 4th> > sign> > > > > > > from mars would be the sensitive point for interaction with> > transits> > > > > > > of Jupiter, Saturn , Rahu.> > > > > > > > > > 4. When Rahu is in opposite sign to mars, the 4th sign> > from> > > > > > > there, that is,. the 10th sign form natal Mars is to be> > considered as> > > > > > > the sensitive point.> > > > > > > > > > 5. When Mars is in parivartana ( exchange of signs) with> > > > > another> > > > > > > planet, Mars is to be considered to be in own sign acting as> > the> > > > > > > sensitive point.> > > > > > > > > > 6. When Mars is retrograde with Rahu, first Mars is to> > be place> > > > > > > in the previous sign and the 4th sign from there is to be> > considered> > > > > > > as the sensitive point.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 'Hope it helps> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chakraborty> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > >> > > > >> > <%40><ancient_india\> > n_astrology%40>> > > > >> > > > > > > [ > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > >> > > > >> > <%40><ancient_india\> > n_astrology%40>]> > > > >> > > > > > > On Behalf Of devisigh> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > >> > > > >> > <%40><ancient_india\> > n_astrology%40>> > > > > > > > > > Re: Re:Transists> > > > > Combination> > > > > > > at marriage-Devisingh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Let me put my thoughts> > > > > > > > > > "Marriage" The word itself deals with number of image in> > mind> > > > > > > Let me clear that we should drop that word first and just look> > to> > > > > > > combination alone if that can tell anything.> > > > > > > > > > I have checked that this works for most of charts of so> > called> > > > > > > arranged marriage as i have to start from something.> > > > > > > > > > I have not mentioned all points of techniques as this is> > from> > > > > > > saptrishi so thouse who aware and experimented can have their> > > > > comments> > > > > > > so that was purpose to share results of experiment if they> > have.> > > > > > > > > > To find out date of Marriage is not something motive as> > all are> > > > > > > having there personal approach to reach date.(however this can> > > > > help in> > > > > > > final decision)> > > > > > > > > > aspects from Ju,St are considered to fructify event but> > aspects> > > > > > > from nodes are considered as delay or hindrance....personally> > i have> > > > > > > seen that such delay could be in any term or some hindrance to> > reveal> > > > > > > marriage....nodes may cojoin or aspected by St/Gu as well in> > such> > > > > > > case......Please check for below chart or provide date of> > marriage so> > > > > > > can be looked.> > > > > > > > > > There are cases for multiple marriage and also cases for> > No> > > > > > > Marriage,Personally i am not thinking in that way (No marriage> > does> > > > > > > not mean no awareness of marriage if this makes sense)> > > > > > > > > > This is nothing related to promise of so called marriage> > as> > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > I was expecting something positive outcome can be> > concluded by> > > > > > > considering such combination and taking Ma as Point of> > Reference.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I was thinking in a way that Ma Signify body and child> > become> > > > > > > adult and have Body Change (internal hormones are changed)> > > > > > > > > > Does it tells something in that area?> > > > > > > > > > Can we apply a conclusion that Testosterone or something> > else> > > > > > > can gets fructify?> > > > > > > > > > I guess some conclusion can also be taken in that way so> > that> > > > > > > Can be applied for non-human (Animals, plants) as well in> > > > > different way?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Anybody can express there views and can check technique> > and> > > > > > > provide there comments...may be helpfull> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --i hope this makes sense> > > > > > > > > > ------------------> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Devisingh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Devisingh Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This technique does not work with "non-arranged"> > marriage. Here> > > > > > > is one marriage date of an acquaintance: Mar 22, 1986, Chicago> > > > > > > Illinois, USA. While one condition of Ju or Sa aspecting Ma or> > 7H> > > > > from> > > > > > > Ma is satisfied, the other conditon of Nodes not aspecting is> > not> > > > > > > satisfied, since Ra is in trines to Ma.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > >> > > > >> > <%40><ancient_india\> > n_astrology%40>> > > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 12:57:05 PM> > > > > > > > > > Re: Re:Transists> > > > > Combination> > > > > > > at marriage-Devisingh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Nadia Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yes, Ju/Sa may bring marriage but the question is WILL> > they?> > > > > > > Since this is predictive astrology, when a certain technique> > can give> > > > > > > positive results more than 70% of the time, how to use it to> > predict?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Infact what I find more interesting than Ju/Sa aspects> > are the> > > > > > > NON-aspects of the Nodes. May be if we combine the non-aspects> > of> > > > > > > Nodes with the aspect of Ju/Sa then we get a more tolearable> > > > > > > probability. Some body who is better in Probability theory> > than me> > > > > > > needs to do this math.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > Nadia nadiadeol (AT) (DOT) ca><nadiadeol@>> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 12:45:50 PM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Transists> > > > > Combination at> > > > > > > marriage-Devisingh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Devisingh,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > your observation that Jupiter and Saturn bring marriage> > is very> > > > > > > accurate. Both planets are about perpetuating the human> > > > > > > condition,which includes procreation hence the necessity of> > marriage> > > > > > > which in almost all human cultures is the usual way people> > generate> > > > > > > progeny.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > though Mars is not karaka for marriage, Mars in> > mythology> > > > > > > desires love and marriage very much though it is denied as> > Mars is at> > > > > > > heart a Bharmchariya.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > so the conjunction or aspect in transition of Jupiter or> > Saturn> > > > > > > may grant Mars' desire for union, which is pretty cool.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > combination of planetary energies can either deny or> > grant> > > > > human> > > > > > > desires, it is what needs to be examined in individual charts.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > thanks,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nadia> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 12/22/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> > > > > > > <http:/// <http:///>> > <http:///> > > > > <http:///>>>> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Transists> > > > > > > Combination at marriage> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Received: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 1:46 PM> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Vidya Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Venus is the Karaka for marriage not Jupiter. Ofcourse> > Jupiter> > > > > > > Transit is critical and has been mentioned in this discussion.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > Vidya vidyakmr ><vidyakmr@>> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 8:45:34 AM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Transists> > Combination> > > > > > > at marriage> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > What about jupiter transit as karaka for marriage?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > > "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2@ ...><CHAKRABORTYP2@>> > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devisingh-ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Mars is probably considered as Karaka for Husband in> > Nadi> > > > > > > Astrology.> > > > > > > > > > > In tradional astrology too, Mangal / Mangalyasthan has> > > > > > > something to do with> > > > > > > > > > > marriage for girls.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Chakraborty> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf> > Of> > > > > devisigh> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, December 22, 2009 4:20 PM> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Transists> > Combination at> > > > > > > marriage> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I have checked some combination mentioned in Nadi> > > > > technique in> > > > > > > saptrishi> > > > > > > > > > > seems works.> > > > > > > > > > > At time of marriage(i have seen for arrange marriage> > not sure> > > > > > > for else)> > > > > > > > > > > --Ju or St not nodes Aspects/Cojoin Ma or 7th house> > from Ma> > > > > > > (take Ma in> > > > > > > > > > > previous sign if it is retrograde)> > > > > > > > > > > --Ju or St not nodes Aspects/Cojoin Navamsa Lord or> > Navamsa> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Irrespective of Lagan Sign they works considering Ma> > > > > here.......> > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody put there thought was Ma is considered as> > > > > Karka here?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------ ------> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Devisingh> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging> > Gateway, New> > > > > > > Delhi, India. 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