Guest guest Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Dear Sammodji, Hope you know the link between the 27 Nakshatras and the Moon and hope you understand that the former are considered the homes of the latter. You must be aware that the Rig Veda says that the Moon is the maker of the month and I am sure you will also know how to identify the month of Margashirsha, which was mentioned by Lord Krishna and whether it has any relation with the Mrigashira nakshatra. Awaiting your reply through the same channel through which your mail reached this group. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Tue, 12/22/09, Krishen <jyotirved wrote: Krishen <jyotirved Fwd: Re: Best wishes for uttarayan! Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:13 AM  parvasudhar2065, " samodacharya " <svadhyaya@. ..> wrote: Dear all members, Again the matter is bexcuase of confusion. When we talk about vedic kala its out of foolish sayan and nirayanvadi misunderstyandings. In vedic shastra there is no sakranti and all festivals are mainly governed by moon. See the custom of originals of kathmandu ,they dont celebrate sankrantis but celebrate amavasya and purnims, astami etc, all lunar days.All so called shastras mentioning the festivals of sakrantis are non vedic and can be ignored and can be celebrated by the people according to custom which again is originated from vedic system of ritubadhha (based on ritus) festivals.So ritus and lunar days are important for vedic people. sammod parvasudhar2065, " hari " <harimalla@> wrote: > > Dear Shri Kaulji, > Best wishies for your sayan uttaryan sankranti! > We propose to celebrate nirayan uttaryan sankranti on solar Poush 1st(sankranti) since the shastras prohibit celebration of sayan sankranti. Nirayan poush sankranti is Dec 16th. This will remain as such for about 15-1600 years. But as you say we have to name this also as Makar sankranti,the sayan way, although it is presently known as Dhanu sankranti. This is to support the opinions of sayanbadis like you and SB Dixit, although you like to call yourself neither sayan nor nirayan, by throwing away the rashis. > The proposed lunar maagha snana started from Mrigasira purnima (the full moon of December) which fell this year on 2nd of December but will fall next year towards the end of December. Since December 21 is the actual shortest day,the proposed lunar shortest day maagha snana, namely Mrigasira purnima, will go both before and after this date, since this fullmoon fluctuates over the whole month of December, from Dec. 1 to Dec.31. > Thus the traditional nirayan solar sankranti and lunar full moons will be the celebration date for uttarayan, which keeps on changing its abslute steller location from year to year. We prefer to stick to the age old tradition of not worshipping Brahmaji, which would be the case if we celebrated the sayan sankranti, as you are proposing. > So my request for you too, to follow the age old vedic tradition and not go against it. > If you read the dharma shastras you will note that the lunar months having the nirayan solar sankrantis contain the Purusha.Purusha is not considered with respect to the sayan sankrantis. Hope you understand the basis of our shastras. > Thank you and regards, > > > HinduCalendar, " jyotirved " <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > Best wishes for Uttarayana of 2009! > > Uttarayana Day, known as Winter Solstice in English language, is a unique > > Hindu festival --- like the Summer Solstice (Dakshinayana) and the two > > Ayanaas i.e. Vernal and autumnal Equinox, known as Vasanta Sampat and > > Hemanta Sampat respectively. > > > > All these festivals, as per the Puranas. are said to yield thousand-fold > > results if charities are bestowed during their punya-kala or other > > puja/japa/archana is conducted/performed during that period. > > Unfortunately, because of our fatal infatuation with predictive gimmicks, > > which some people call " Vedic astrology " , we have gone completely out of > > touch with these universal geographic and religious phenomena. > > > > Uttarayana Day is also known as Makar Sankranti as per all the siddhantas, > > including the Surya Siddhanta, and all the Puranas, including the Bhagavata, > > Vishnu and Vishnu-dharmotarapu rana etc. > > > > The exact timing of Uttaryana for 2009 is 17 hrs. 47 mts UT/GMT which > > corresponds to 23 hrs. 17 mts. IST of December 21, 2009. Those desirous of > > doing Tantrika kriyas at the exact moment can start doing so around 23 hrs. > > IST and continue for about an hour, though the snana-dhyana etc. of > > Uttarayana will be on December 22 right from the dawn. > > > > It is the same Uttarayana that was and must be known as Makaradi-snana in UP > > and Bihar etc.; Shishira Sankranti in Kashmir and Makar Sankranti for the > > whole of India. It is also the start of the Vedic month Tapah and solar > > Magha apart from Shishira Ritu. > > > > There is no other Makar Sankranti either as per the Siddhantas or Puranas, > > not to speak of the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha since Makar etc. rashis, > > being imaginary divisions, are conspicuous by their absence from those > > works. > > Anybody, however, can celebrate any Sankranti on any day, since India is the > > largest democracy in the world and every body has his/her " religious > > freedom " even to celebrate any imaginary sankranti! > > > > The so called Dhanurmasa, which is an anathema for marriages etc. as per > > muhurta shastras, also ends actually on December 21 itself, instead of > > January 15, when " almighty " Lahiri Dharniumasa will end! > > With regards, > > A K Kaul > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2009 Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Dear Sammodji,Hope you know the link between the 27 Nakshatras and the Moon and hope you understand that the former are considered the homes of the latter. You must be aware that the Rig Veda says that the Moon is the maker of the month and I am sure you will also know how to identify the month of Margashirsha, which was mentioned by Lord Krishna and whether it has any relation with the Mrigashira nakshatra.Awaiting your reply through the same channel through which your mail reached this group.Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Tue, 12/22/09, Krishen <jyotirved wrote:Krishen <jyotirved Fwd: Re: Best wishes for uttarayan!To: Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:13 AM parvasudhar2065, "samodacharya" <svadhyaya@. ..> wrote: Dear all members, Again the matter is bexcuase of confusion. When we talk about vedic kala its out of foolish sayan and nirayanvadi misunderstyandings. In vedic shastra there is no sakranti and all festivals are mainly governed by moon. See the custom of originals of kathmandu ,they dont celebrate sankrantis but celebrate amavasya and purnims, astami etc, all lunar days.All so called shastras mentioning the festivals of sakrantis are non vedic and can be ignored and can be celebrated by the people according to custom which again is originated from vedic system of ritubadhha (based on ritus) festivals.So ritus and lunar days are important for vedic people. sammod parvasudhar2065, "hari" <harimalla@> wrote: > > Dear Shri Kaulji, > Best wishies for your sayan uttaryan sankranti! > We propose to celebrate nirayan uttaryan sankranti on solar Poush 1st(sankranti) since the shastras prohibit celebration of sayan sankranti. Nirayan poush sankranti is Dec 16th. This will remain as such for about 15-1600 years. But as you say we have to name this also as Makar sankranti,the sayan way, although it is presently known as Dhanu sankranti. This is to support the opinions of sayanbadis like you and SB Dixit, although you like to call yourself neither sayan nor nirayan, by throwing away the rashis. > The proposed lunar maagha snana started from Mrigasira purnima (the full moon of December) which fell this year on 2nd of December but will fall next year towards the end of December. Since December 21 is the actual shortest day,the proposed lunar shortest day maagha snana, namely Mrigasira purnima, will go both before and after this date, since this fullmoon fluctuates over the whole month of December, from Dec. 1 to Dec.31. > Thus the traditional nirayan solar sankranti and lunar full moons will be the celebration date for uttarayan, which keeps on changing its abslute steller location from year to year. We prefer to stick to the age old tradition of not worshipping Brahmaji, which would be the case if we celebrated the sayan sankranti, as you are proposing. > So my request for you too, to follow the age old vedic tradition and not go against it. > If you read the dharma shastras you will note that the lunar months having the nirayan solar sankrantis contain the Purusha.Purusha is not considered with respect to the sayan sankrantis. Hope you understand the basis of our shastras. > Thank you and regards, > > > HinduCalendar, "jyotirved" <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > Best wishes for Uttarayana of 2009! > > Uttarayana Day, known as Winter Solstice in English language, is a unique > > Hindu festival --- like the Summer Solstice (Dakshinayana) and the two > > Ayanaas i.e. Vernal and autumnal Equinox, known as Vasanta Sampat and > > Hemanta Sampat respectively. > > > > All these festivals, as per the Puranas. are said to yield thousand-fold > > results if charities are bestowed during their punya-kala or other > > puja/japa/archana is conducted/performed during that period. > > Unfortunately, because of our fatal infatuation with predictive gimmicks, > > which some people call "Vedic astrology", we have gone completely out of > > touch with these universal geographic and religious phenomena. > > > > Uttarayana Day is also known as Makar Sankranti as per all the siddhantas, > > including the Surya Siddhanta, and all the Puranas, including the Bhagavata, > > Vishnu and Vishnu-dharmotarapu rana etc. > > > > The exact timing of Uttaryana for 2009 is 17 hrs. 47 mts UT/GMT which > > corresponds to 23 hrs. 17 mts. IST of December 21, 2009. Those desirous of > > doing Tantrika kriyas at the exact moment can start doing so around 23 hrs. > > IST and continue for about an hour, though the snana-dhyana etc. of > > Uttarayana will be on December 22 right from the dawn. > > > > It is the same Uttarayana that was and must be known as Makaradi-snana in UP > > and Bihar etc.; Shishira Sankranti in Kashmir and Makar Sankranti for the > > whole of India. It is also the start of the Vedic month Tapah and solar > > Magha apart from Shishira Ritu. > > > > There is no other Makar Sankranti either as per the Siddhantas or Puranas, > > not to speak of the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha since Makar etc. rashis, > > being imaginary divisions, are conspicuous by their absence from those > > works. > > Anybody, however, can celebrate any Sankranti on any day, since India is the > > largest democracy in the world and every body has his/her "religious > > freedom" even to celebrate any imaginary sankranti! > > > > The so called Dhanurmasa, which is an anathema for marriages etc. as per > > muhurta shastras, also ends actually on December 21 itself, instead of > > January 15, when "almighty" Lahiri Dharniumasa will end! > > With regards, > > A K Kaul > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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