Fwd: Clues from Classics -Attempt to understand Malefics

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kerala_vedic_astrology , " Vishnu " <vishnumohanalj

wrote:

 

Dear all,

 

 

The below write up may look rude or pointing towards somebody but it is not

intended towards anybody.The intention of the post is to sharpen knowledge and

bring uniformity in discussion.

 

 

We have often times come across many topics like -whether a planet is beneficial

or not?

 

 

The most diplomatic answer astrologers write will be no planet can be purely

harmful or purely good.This is more or less a philosophical point.But nobody

goes further to describe when the planet does good or bad and whether the

delivery of good or bad depends upon their dasa or antardasa or transits or

yogas and fructification of the same.

 

 

 

Very often we also see people telling such and such dasa was completely bad or

good in their personal experience.They forget that the same planet is related to

so many other planets in the charts by aspect/association, dispositorship/

transit etc thereby its influence is always felt by the person For example if

for a person,Mars dasa is bad for whole 6 years,does Jupiter has to take the

whole blame because he is the vimshottari dasa lord?Do you think other 8 planets

are sitting in the chart dumb during those 6 years or The other 8 planet were

transiting different rashis during this 6 years just like that to obey the laws

of nature and watch what Mars was doing to the native?.How could the 8 other

planets which ensured happiness/goodness in all previous years of the native

could not do anything to the native?What happened to their good effects due to

placements in good positions in rashi and navamsha chart.

 

 

we must understand that in different dasa systems,different planets will be

ruling at the same time for different disciplines.

 

 

ok, what dasa can take a person to riches?

 

 

If you take any online magazine,you can see charts of celebrities being

discussed.Each celebrity would have enjoyed stardom/happiness in a particular

planet dasa.IF you take the average,no particular planet may stand out for the

riches and the list will eventually include all planets.

 

 

Dasa of any strong planet in the horoscope can give wealth,prosperity,

fame,happiness thought the karakas and bhavas which represent them are totally

different.

 

 

Since we have many overlapping in significations between bhavas,between planets

and between lords this is possible.

 

 

Therefore it is wrong to attribute that the riches are due to so and so planet's

dasha.This diplomatic answer is actually true from a broad outlook for an

onlooker but is it not our duty to dwelve further and see why the events occured

based on a limited number of parameters not trying to convince ourselves

desperately and fooling ourselves with new karakas from other systems.For

example,when you have 5th bhava,9th bhava ,Jupiter,5th lord ,9th lord ,5th from

moon,9th from moon ,5th lord ,5th lord from moon and 5th lord from Jupiter to

identify childbirth,yet if somebody cannot explain it with the above factors and

explains it with Putrakaraka( charakaraka) ,there can be no better way to fool

ourselves.

 

 

 

P.S.I mean no disrespect to jaimini system here but i oppose mixing of Jaimini

and Parasara system while predicting .

 

 

Recently a famous astrologer came up with a statement that many things written

in the book are a result of half-baked knowledge taught by his guru.can you

imagine how many students are confused or lost because of that?Who is to be

blamed at the first instance -authour? No. It is the Guru who gave him

confidence to write articles or write books and all these have misdirected the

true seekers of astrology to nought.

 

 

 

I felt the above build up is necessary to go to the discussion proper.

as we cannot ignore generalsiations in astrology because of the complex nature

of the subject and at the same time we should try to see the specific results of

planets/bhava/ karakas for a particular time period.

 

 

 

To say whether the upcoming time is good or bad is easy for an average

astrologer.

 

 

 

To say when the native will marry or get child in the coming years is very tough

for an average astrologer as most of the time the astrologer spends his time on

generalisations alone.This applies to majority of astrologers.

 

 

 

There are very few astrologers who work with deep deep divisional charts in the

name of research working on specificities. Though this is an appreciable

thing,they fail to see that only 20% of astrology knowledge is available to

mankind and remaining 80% is still untranslated in ancient sanskrit texts and is

readily available in manuscript form.whatever they call it research might have

been already discussed by the sages ,those divine men who gave us the name of

the planets/bhavas and divisional charts.

 

 

 

Now Before going to specificities, we have an issue with basics .

 

 

 

Once a question was raised by Girish or Santosh(i am not sure whom)which goes

something like this-what should be expected of a malefic planet-strong or weak

w.r.t to Kalachakra dasha?.Nobody dared to answer except Sureshji but we did not

discuss it in detail that time.

 

 

 

We are going to deal with the same question in detail exhaustively and

objectively based on classics at the end of exercise.

 

 

 

I have prepared a questionare to find the views of practising/learning

astrologer so that we can take the discussion from there based on

classics.you can substantiate your answers for each of the questions

with reasons if you would like to.

 

 

 

 

Kindly let me know if any questions have to be added to improve the

 

quality of questionare.

 

 

 

 

Feel free to answer the questions as this is not a test of knowledge of anybody

rather a step towards improving our knowledge which i feel will be possible once

critical discussion starts on each of the questions in a focussed manner and

also collectively.

 

 

 

Since the post is already long,i am giving the questionarre in a

different post.

 

 

Please participate and hope we get a useful discussion out of it .

 

 

 

 

Thanks and best wishes

 

vishnu

 

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