Bicchade sabhi baari baari ...Aspects in Lalkitab

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji and G.K Goel Ji;

Aspects in Lalkitab

 

To understand the concept of aspects the first condition is

to understand the diagram representing the horoscope.

Lalkitab follows the diagram which is generally known as

North Indian Horoscope Chart or Diagram.

According to Lalkitab ;-

Horoscope represents a House with 8 Rooms (quarters);

4 Houses i.e. House no. 1,4,7 and 10 have 4 walls so they

are in complete shape;

Other 8 houses i.e. 2,3,5,6,8,9,11 and 12 have three walls

each so they are incomplete; these houses are part of other houses or

compliment each other to make 4 complete houses.

 

Planets in the houses are to be considered as light emitting

sources, they emit the light in the house in which they are posited; the houses

have portions/doors from which this light is emitted outside and can be

transferred to other houses.

 

House no 1 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 7 ;

House no 4 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 10 ;

 

House no 3 casts 50 percent aspect upon house no. 9 and 11.

House no 5 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 9 ;

 

House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 ;

House no 6 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12 ;

 

Exceptions;-

 

i) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2 ;

ii) House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and

house no 6 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house

no 2 is carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.

iii) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2; House no 2 casts 25

percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6 casts 25 percent aspect upon

house no 12; this way effect of house no 8 is also carried on to house no 12 by

25 percent.

Exceptions to special

planets;

 

The

luminaries Sun and Moon posited in house no 9 cast aspect upon house no.5.Saturn

posited in house no 2 is capable of casting aspect upon house no 2. (Metaphorically:

- angry cobra when raises its hood, it's eyes are pointed backwards.)Mercury

posited in house no. 12 casts aspect upon house no 6.

 

Note;- Concept of reverse aspect is also there but this

reverse aspect does not influence the native directly; it influences his

relatives connected with the house; so reverse aspect is to be considered as a separate chapter/concept.RegardsKulbir Bains.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "kulbir" <kulbirbains wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji; i too read Shri G.K .GOEL's querry today; i will definitely send in a detailed note on aspects as per lalkitab including all dimensions.> With Respect> kulbir Bains.> > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > Sorry I just remembered that I have not acknowledged this mail . This is a good mail from your side as usual. Except that it may be difficult for one to understand who may not be well versant with the aspects of Lalkitab. If whenever you have the time to explain the aspects from which house which planet can aspect to which house and planet seated there, please do give us the inputs on the same.> > > > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar ji;> > > Lalkitab 1940 page 158-59;> > > How long will husband and wife remain together;> > > > > > Mard v Aurat ke jode ji umar;> > > > > > 1. Venus with aspect from ;> > > i) a friend - wife will outlive the husband's age.> > > ii) an enemy - husband will outlive the wife,s age.> > > > > > 2. Mercury with aspect from ;> > > i) a friend - Husband will outlive the wife's age.> > > ii) an enemy - wife will outlive the husband's age.> > > > > > 3. venus, mercury together with aspect from;> > > i) a friend both will have long life; term> > > ii) an enemy both will have a short life; term> > > > > > 4. venus has aspect from its friend Saturn and mercury has aspect from its enemy Moon; husband will leave this world before his wife;> > > > > > 5. mercury has aspect from its friend Sun, Rahu and venus has aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; wife will leave this world before her husband; > > > > > > 5. venus has aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu and mercury has aspect from its friend; wife will leave this world before her husband; not only death; separation by wife leaving the native can also be there.> > > > > > 6. mercury has aspect from its enemy Moon and venus has aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; husband will leave this world before his wife; not only death; separation by husband leaving the native can also be there.> > > > > > interpretation from my side;> > > here we are talking of horoscope of male native; in case of female horoscope; substitute husband to wife and wife to husband.> > > > > > no opinion should be formed on this combinations alone; other planets and their placement also matter. this has been quoted in context of academic discussion only.> > > > > > Regards> > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear friends, Please read these lines properly and slowly. are dekhi> > > > zamaane ki yaari> > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > kya le ke milen ab duniya se, aansu ke siva kuch paas nahi> > > > ya phul hi phul the daaman men, ya kaanton ki bhi aas nahi> > > > matalab ki duniya hai saari> > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > > > > > vaqt hai maharabaan, aarazu hai javaan> > > > fikr kal ki karen, itani fursat kahaan> > > > > > > > daur ye chalata rahe rang uchhalata rahe> > > > roop machalata rahe, jaam badalata rahe> > > > > > > > raat bhar mahamaan hain bahaaren yahaan> > > > raat gar dhal gayi phir ye khushiyaan kahaan> > > > pal bhar ki khushiyaan hain saari> > > > badhane lagi beqaraari badhane lagi beqaraari> > > > are dekhi zamaane ki yaari> > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > > > > > ud ja ud ja pyaase bhanvare, ras na milega kaaron mein> > > > kaagaz ke phul jahaan khilate hain, baith na un gulazaaro mein> > > > naadan tamanna reti men, ummid ki kashti kheti hai> > > > ik haath se deti hai duniyaa, sau haathon se leti hai> > > > ye khel hai kab se jaari> > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari The above lines from> > > > GuruDutts "Kagaz ke phool " is our actual reality of Life. When a> > > > child is born, he begins meeting new family members in his Life,> > > > Mother, Father, Maternal and Paternal Grandparents, Uncles, Aunts etc.> > > > As he grows up he marries and gets one more family member added to his> > > > Life. As time passes on , then begins the downward phase of all these> > > > relatives whom he has met since childhood, who start disappearing in> > > > oblivion. Grandparents, Parents, Uncles, aunties , etc. and finally the> > > > wife or the husband one has to also leave, and the man is left all alone> > > > in the world, just like he had come all alone in this world. The time> > > > begins now for him too, to leave the world. He is now left alone with> > > > his, sins, paap-punya, fears and ambitions some met, some unconquered> > > > awaiting the dark day when he too will leave on the path the others have> > > > left. The purpose of this mail is to ask the learned members -What are> > > > the astrological rules for finding out, who will leave first, the> > > > husband or the wife ? Hope some one can throw light on this. > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear members; Birth and Death; Joy and Sorrow; dance hand in

hand every moment. Merry Christmas to all; but these 3 days 24-25-26 days of

December 2009 are being observed as a day for remembering some tragic events

also. On these days 11-12-13 paus of 1705AD, two younger sons,of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Sahibzada Baba Zorawar Singh Ji aged about 6, Sahibzada Baba Fateh Singh Ji aged about 9 and their

grandmother,Mata Gujari Ji sacrificed their lives on the alter

of faith.

 

At least we must acknowledge and remember these great deeds.

 

Nawab Sher Muhammad Khan of Malerkotla was a feudal ally of Nawab Wazir Khan, his brother

Khizar Khan was killed in a battle with Guru Gobind Singh ji; Nawab Wazir Khan’s

forces captured Sahibzadas alongwith their grandmother Mata Gujari. It was proposed

that Nawab Nawab Sher Muhammad Khan should avenge the death of his brother by

taking lives of Guruji’s sons. But Nawab Sher Muhammad Khan Khan protested

loudly at this decision as it was against the tenets of Islam and walked out of

the court.

“BADLA HI LENA HOGA TO HUM LENGE BAAP

SE,

KHUDA MARHOOM RAKHE HUMN KO AAISEY PAAP SEâ€

but the adamant Wazir

Khan approved the punishment suggested by Qazi without any amendment. The

Sahibzadas were slain after the attempt at bricking them alive in the

foundation of the wall failed Mata Gujri ji also breathed her last.

 

Diwan Todar Mal purchased the piece of land for setting up

their pyre for cremation with gold coins. The land required for the martyred

children would be approximately of 2.0m by 2.0m a total area of 40,000 cm

squared if laid next to each other. Add to this the area required for Mata Ji

(2.0m by 1.5m) if the coins were laid horizontally then to cover this area

would require around 7800 gold coins. Now, if the coins had to be stacked

vertically then possibly 10 coins would be needed to cover the 9cm squared

area, so vertically 7800 x 10 coins would be required, or 78,000. That is an

awful lot of gold coins today; one can only imagine how much they were worth

three hundred years ago. It is safe to say it was probably his life’s savings.

Maybe he had to beg and borrow to raise the total amount, who knows, but the

fact remains this was truly a noble deed.

(Kindly see the recent picture of his haveli named Jahaz Haveli

attached alongwith this post.)

But for this he had lose the peace and prosperity for his

own family. Bankrupt and a victim of Nawab Wazir Khan’s wrath the family fled

their beautiful home and eventually faded into oblivion.

 

Baba Moti Ram Mehra was a cook of Wazir Khan. He could not

bear the Sahibzadas sleeping hungry. He came home and told his family that he

would serve milk and fresh water to these great prisoners. His mother and wife

were scared and tried to persuade him not to take such a step. Bibi Bholi, his

wife, told him that the Wazir Khan had made an announcement in the town that

whoever tried to help and serve any type of food to the sons of the tenth Guru,

he along with his family would be crushed alive in a Kohlu, (the oil squeezer).

This information could not change the resolve of Baba ji. Sensing his determination,

his wife gave him her silver jewellery and some coins and requested him to

bribe the gate man of the prison fort and request him to keep it act a secret.Baba

Moti Ram served milk and water to the Sahibzadas and Mata Gujri Ji for three

nights.

 

Nawab Wazir Khan got the information that his servant (Cook) had served the

prisoners with milk and water. Baba Moti Ram Mehra, his mother, wife and a

little son were arrested, consequently Baba Moti Ram Mehra along with his

father was sentenced to death by being squeezed in a Kohlu (oil press).

 

Kindly see their resolve; their determination and their

sacrifice.

“ULLFAT KE YEH JALWE

, KABHIE DEKHE NAHIN HUMNE;

DEKHNA EK BAAT,

SUNNEY BHI NAHIN HUMNE.â€

 

Again it was an unbiased Muslim poet Hakim Allah Yaar Khan who

immortalized this great saga by by writing Ganj-e-shaheedan and

Shaheedan-e-wafa in 1913-15 AD.

“BAS EK TIRATH HAI

HIND MEIN YATRA KE LIYE;

KATWAIYE BAAP NE BETE

JAHAN KHUDA KE LIYE.â€

He was declared a qafir and not allowed to

enter the mosque for the period over 30 years.

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir ji,

 

This story however number of times one reads , it brings the hairs for one to

stand. Unfortunately apart from the sikhs, many few from the other communities

know about this. I knwo it because I have the habit of reading Lives of great

people of Indian whenever I get oppurtnity. This one I had first read in a Gita

press,Gorakhpur Book. It is a shame that due to dirty politics and Vote Banking

and appeasement of the minority (Soon turning Majority) community, the text

books in schools do not teach one about such real life stories and great men who

have laid their lives for upholding of truth and not leaving their path of

Dharma. But India has less of festivals or rememberance days in its National

Calendar, for such great men,(We dont even have Public holidays in Bombay or

National Holidays for Ram Janma or Krishna janma, unfortunately)and the state of

affairs will continue to be so, till some strong Leadership takes over the

reigns of India.

 

Thanks for putting this great History on board.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, " kulbir bains "

<kulbirbains wrote:

>

> Dear members; Birth and Death; Joy and Sorrow; dance hand in hand every

moment. Merry Christmas to all; but these 3 days 242526 days of December 2009

are being observed as a day for remembering some tragic events also. On these

days111213 paus of 1705AD, two younger sons,of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Sahibzada

Baba Zorawar Singh Ji aged about 6, Sahibzada Baba Fateh Singh Ji aged about 9

and their grandmother,Mata Gujari Ji sacrificed their lives on the alter of

faith. At least we must acknowledge and remember these great deeds. Nawab Sher

Muhammad Khan of Malerkotla was afeudal ally of Nawab Wazir Khan, his brother

Khizar Khan was killed in a battle with Guru Gobind Singh ji; Nawab Wazir

Khan’s forces captured Sahibzadas alongwith their grandmother Mata Gujari. It

was proposed that Nawab Nawab Sher Muhammad Khan should avenge the death of his

brother by taking lives of Guruji’s sons. But Nawab Sher Muhammad Khan Khan

protested loudly at this decision as it was against the te

> nets of Islam and walked out of the court. “BADLA HI LENA HOGA TO HUM LENGE

BAAP SE, KHUDA MARHOOM RAKHE HUMN KO AAISEY PAAP SE†but the adamant Wazir

Khan approved the punishment suggested by Qazi without any amendment. The

Sahibzadas were slain after the attempt at bricking them alive in the foundation

of the wall failed Mata Gujri ji also breathed her last. Diwan Todar Mal

purchased the piece of land for setting up their pyre for cremation with gold

coins. The land required for the martyred children would be approximately of

2.0m by 2.0m a total area of 40,000 cm squared if laid next to each other. Add

to this the area required for Mata Ji (2.0m by 1.5m) if the coins were laid

horizontally then to cover this area would require around 7800 gold coins. Now,

if the coins had to be stacked vertically then possibly 10 coins would be needed

to cover the 9cm squared area, so vertically 7800 x 10 coins would be required,

or 78,000. That is an awful lot of gold coins today; on

> e can only imagine how much they were worth three hundred years ago. It is

safe to say it was probably his life’s savings. Maybe he had to beg and borrow

to raise the total amount, who knows, but the fact remains this was truly a

noble deed. (Kindly see the recent picture of his haveli named Jahaz Haveli

attached alongwith this post.)But for this he had lose the peace and prosperity

for his own family. Bankrupt and a victim of Nawab Wazir Khan’s wrath the

family fled their beautiful home and eventually faded into oblivion. Baba Moti

Ram Mehra was a cook of Wazir Khan. He could not bear the Sahibzadas sleeping

hungry. He came home and told his family that he would serve milk and fresh

water to these great prisoners. His mother and wife were scared and tried to

persuade him not to take such a step. Bibi Bholi, his wife, told him that the

Wazir Khan had made an announcement in the town that whoever tried to help and

serve any type of food to the sons of the tenth Guru, he a

> long with his family would be crushed alive in a Kohlu, (the oil squeezer).

This information could not change the resolve of Baba ji. Sensing his

determination, his wife gave him her silver jewellery and some coins and

requested him to bribe the gate man of the prison fortand request him to keep it

act a secret.Baba Moti Ram served milk and water to the Sahibzadas and Mata

Gujri Ji for three nights.Nawab Wazir Khan got the informationthat his servant

(Cook) had served the prisoners with milk and water. Baba Moti Ram Mehra, his

mother, wife and a little son were arrested, consequently Baba Moti Ram Mehra

along with his father was sentenced to death by being squeezed in a Kohlu (oil

press).Kindly see their resolve; their determination and their

sacrifice.“ULLFAT KE YEH JALWE , KABHIE DEKHE NAHIN HUMNE;DEKHNA EK BAAT,

SUNNEY BHI NAHIN HUMNE.†Again it was an unbiased Muslim poet Hakim Allah Yaar

Khan who immortalized this great saga by by writing Ganjeshaheedan and Shaheeda

> newafa in 191315 AD. “BAS EK TIRATH HAI HIND MEIN YATRA KE

LIYE;KATWAIYEBAAP NE BETE JAHAN KHUDA KE LIYE.â€He was declared a qafir and not

allowed to enter the mosque for the period over 30 years.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir ji,

 

Thank You. This is really very good knowledge.

 

I request those interested in Lal Kitab to please copy and save this mail in

their Computers for future reference. Because Aspects in Lal KItab is a very

important factor without one cannot understand the whys of many results as well

as remedial measures.

 

Thanks once again,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " kulbir " <kulbirbains

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji and G.K Goel Ji;

>

>

> Aspects in Lalkitab

>

>

>

> To understand the concept of aspects the first condition is to

> understand the diagram representing the horoscope.

>

> Lalkitab follows the diagram which is generally known as North Indian

> Horoscope Chart or Diagram.

>

> According to Lalkitab ;-

>

> Horoscope represents a House with 8 Rooms (quarters);

>

> 4 Houses i.e. House no. 1,4,7 and 10 have 4 walls so they are in

> complete shape;

>

> Other 8 houses i.e. 2,3,5,6,8,9,11 and 12 have three walls each so they

> are incomplete; these houses are part of other houses or compliment each

> other to make 4 complete houses.

>

>

>

> Planets in the houses are to be considered as light emitting sources,

> they emit the light in the house in which they are posited; the houses

> have portions/doors from which this light is emitted outside and can be

> transferred to other houses.

>

>

>

> House no 1 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 7 ;

>

> House no 4 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 10 ;

>

>

>

> House no 3 casts 50 percent aspect upon house no. 9 and 11.

>

> House no 5 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 9 ;

>

>

>

> House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 ;

>

> House no 6 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12 ;

>

>

>

> Exceptions;-

>

>

>

> i) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2 ;

>

> ii) House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6

> casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 2

> is carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.

>

> iii) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2; House no

> 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6 casts 25

> percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 8 is also

> carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.

>

>

>

> Exceptions to special planets;

>

>

>

> 1. The luminaries Sun and Moon posited in house no 9 cast aspect

> upon house no.5.

> 2. Saturn posited in house no 2 is capable of casting aspect

> upon house no 2. (Metaphorically: - angry cobra when raises its

> hood, it's eyes are pointed backwards.)

> 3. Mercury posited in house no. 12 casts aspect upon house no 6.

>

>

>

> Note;- Concept of reverse aspect is also there but this reverse aspect

> does not influence the native directly; it influences his relatives

> connected with the house; so reverse aspect is to be considered as a

> separate chapter/concept.

>

>

>

>

> Regards

>

> Kulbir Bains.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " kulbir "

> <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji; i too read Shri G.K .GOEL's querry today; i will

> definitely send in a detailed note on aspects as per lalkitab including

> all dimensions.

> > With Respect

> > kulbir Bains.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > >

> > > Sorry I just remembered that I have not acknowledged this mail .

> This is a good mail from your side as usual. Except that it may be

> difficult for one to understand who may not be well versant with the

> aspects of Lalkitab. If whenever you have the time to explain the

> aspects from which house which planet can aspect to which house and

> planet seated there, please do give us the inputs on the same.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > > , " kulbir "

> <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji;

> > > > Lalkitab 1940 page 158-59;

> > > > How long will husband and wife remain together;

> > > >

> > > > Mard v Aurat ke jode ji umar;

> > > >

> > > > 1. Venus with aspect from ;

> > > > i) a friend - wife will outlive the husband's age.

> > > > ii) an enemy - husband will outlive the wife,s age.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Mercury with aspect from ;

> > > > i) a friend - Husband will outlive the wife's age.

> > > > ii) an enemy - wife will outlive the husband's age.

> > > >

> > > > 3. venus, mercury together with aspect from;

> > > > i) a friend both will have long life; term

> > > > ii) an enemy both will have a short life; term

> > > >

> > > > 4. venus has aspect from its friend Saturn and mercury has aspect

> from its enemy Moon; husband will leave this world before his wife;

> > > >

> > > > 5. mercury has aspect from its friend Sun, Rahu and venus has

> aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; wife will leave this world before

> her husband;

> > > >

> > > > 5. venus has aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu and mercury has

> aspect from its friend; wife will leave this world before her husband;

> not only death; separation by wife leaving the native can also be there.

> > > >

> > > > 6. mercury has aspect from its enemy Moon and venus has aspect

> from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; husband will leave this world before his

> wife; not only death; separation by husband leaving the native can also

> be there.

> > > >

> > > > interpretation from my side;

> > > > here we are talking of horoscope of male native; in case of female

> horoscope; substitute husband to wife and wife to husband.

> > > >

> > > > no opinion should be formed on this combinations alone; other

> planets and their placement also matter. this has been quoted in context

> of academic discussion only.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear friends, Please read these lines properly and slowly.

> are dekhi

> > > > > zamaane ki yaari

> > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > kya le ke milen ab duniya se, aansu ke siva kuch paas nahi

> > > > > ya phul hi phul the daaman men, ya kaanton ki bhi aas nahi

> > > > > matalab ki duniya hai saari

> > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > >

> > > > > vaqt hai maharabaan, aarazu hai javaan

> > > > > fikr kal ki karen, itani fursat kahaan

> > > > >

> > > > > daur ye chalata rahe rang uchhalata rahe

> > > > > roop machalata rahe, jaam badalata rahe

> > > > >

> > > > > raat bhar mahamaan hain bahaaren yahaan

> > > > > raat gar dhal gayi phir ye khushiyaan kahaan

> > > > > pal bhar ki khushiyaan hain saari

> > > > > badhane lagi beqaraari badhane lagi beqaraari

> > > > > are dekhi zamaane ki yaari

> > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > >

> > > > > ud ja ud ja pyaase bhanvare, ras na milega kaaron mein

> > > > > kaagaz ke phul jahaan khilate hain, baith na un gulazaaro mein

> > > > > naadan tamanna reti men, ummid ki kashti kheti hai

> > > > > ik haath se deti hai duniyaa, sau haathon se leti hai

> > > > > ye khel hai kab se jaari

> > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari The above lines

> from

> > > > > GuruDutts " Kagaz ke phool " is our actual reality of Life.

> When a

> > > > > child is born, he begins meeting new family members in his

> Life,

> > > > > Mother, Father, Maternal and Paternal Grandparents, Uncles,

> Aunts etc.

> > > > > As he grows up he marries and gets one more family member added

> to his

> > > > > Life. As time passes on , then begins the downward phase of all

> these

> > > > > relatives whom he has met since childhood, who start

> disappearing in

> > > > > oblivion. Grandparents, Parents, Uncles, aunties , etc. and

> finally the

> > > > > wife or the husband one has to also leave, and the man is left

> all alone

> > > > > in the world, just like he had come all alone in this world. The

> time

> > > > > begins now for him too, to leave the world. He is now left alone

> with

> > > > > his, sins, paap-punya, fears and ambitions some met, some

> unconquered

> > > > > awaiting the dark day when he too will leave on the path the

> others have

> > > > > left. The purpose of this mail is to ask the learned members

> -What are

> > > > > the astrological rules for finding out, who will leave first,

> the

> > > > > husband or the wife ? Hope some one can throw light on this.

> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir-ji,

 

Can you please put a Sketch showing the aspects ? It is easier to remeber for some of us.

 

Also as i understand, the aspect rules are a bit different. My question is..

 

1st house aspects 7th house with full aspect. Does the 7th house aspects 1st house ?

Similarly does 10th house aspect 4th house ?

 

regards

 

Chakraborty

 

 

 

On Behalf Of BhaskarSaturday, December 26, 2009 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari ...Aspects in Lalkitab

Dear Kulbir ji,Thank You. This is really very good knowledge. I request those interested in Lal Kitab to please copy and save this mail in their Computers for future reference. Because Aspects in Lal KItab is a very important factor without one cannot understand the whys of many results as well as remedial measures.Thanks once again,Bhaskar. , "kulbir" <kulbirbains wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji and G.K Goel Ji;> > > Aspects in Lalkitab> > > > To understand the concept of aspects the first condition is to> understand the diagram representing the horoscope.> > Lalkitab follows the diagram which is generally known as North Indian> Horoscope Chart or Diagram.> > According to Lalkitab ;-> > Horoscope represents a House with 8 Rooms (quarters);> > 4 Houses i.e. House no. 1,4,7 and 10 have 4 walls so they are in> complete shape;> > Other 8 houses i.e. 2,3,5,6,8,9,11 and 12 have three walls each so they> are incomplete; these houses are part of other houses or compliment each> other to make 4 complete houses.> > > > Planets in the houses are to be considered as light emitting sources,> they emit the light in the house in which they are posited; the houses> have portions/doors from which this light is emitted outside and can be> transferred to other houses.> > > > House no 1 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 7 ;> > House no 4 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 10 ;> > > > House no 3 casts 50 percent aspect upon house no. 9 and 11.> > House no 5 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 9 ;> > > > House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 ;> > House no 6 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12 ;> > > > Exceptions;-> > > > i) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2 ;> > ii) House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6> casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 2> is carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.> > iii) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2; House no> 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6 casts 25> percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 8 is also> carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.> > > > Exceptions to special planets;> > > > 1. The luminaries Sun and Moon posited in house no 9 cast aspect> upon house no.5.> 2. Saturn posited in house no 2 is capable of casting aspect> upon house no 2. (Metaphorically: - angry cobra when raises its> hood, it's eyes are pointed backwards.)> 3. Mercury posited in house no. 12 casts aspect upon house no 6.> > > > Note;- Concept of reverse aspect is also there but this reverse aspect> does not influence the native directly; it influences his relatives> connected with the house; so reverse aspect is to be considered as a> separate chapter/concept.> > > > > Regards> > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kulbir"> <kulbirbains@> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar ji; i too read Shri G.K .GOEL's querry today; i will> definitely send in a detailed note on aspects as per lalkitab including> all dimensions.> > With Respect> > kulbir Bains.> >> > , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > >> > > Sorry I just remembered that I have not acknowledged this mail .> This is a good mail from your side as usual. Except that it may be> difficult for one to understand who may not be well versant with the> aspects of Lalkitab. If whenever you have the time to explain the> aspects from which house which planet can aspect to which house and> planet seated there, please do give us the inputs on the same.> > >> > > regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > > , "kulbir"> <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji;> > > > Lalkitab 1940 page 158-59;> > > > How long will husband and wife remain together;> > > >> > > > Mard v Aurat ke jode ji umar;> > > >> > > > 1. Venus with aspect from ;> > > > i) a friend - wife will outlive the husband's age.> > > > ii) an enemy - husband will outlive the wife,s age.> > > >> > > > 2. Mercury with aspect from ;> > > > i) a friend - Husband will outlive the wife's age.> > > > ii) an enemy - wife will outlive the husband's age.> > > >> > > > 3. venus, mercury together with aspect from;> > > > i) a friend both will have long life; term> > > > ii) an enemy both will have a short life; term> > > >> > > > 4. venus has aspect from its friend Saturn and mercury has aspect> from its enemy Moon; husband will leave this world before his wife;> > > >> > > > 5. mercury has aspect from its friend Sun, Rahu and venus has> aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; wife will leave this world before> her husband;> > > >> > > > 5. venus has aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu and mercury has> aspect from its friend; wife will leave this world before her husband;> not only death; separation by wife leaving the native can also be there.> > > >> > > > 6. mercury has aspect from its enemy Moon and venus has aspect> from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; husband will leave this world before his> wife; not only death; separation by husband leaving the native can also> be there.> > > >> > > > interpretation from my side;> > > > here we are talking of horoscope of male native; in case of female> horoscope; substitute husband to wife and wife to husband.> > > >> > > > no opinion should be formed on this combinations alone; other> planets and their placement also matter. this has been quoted in context> of academic discussion only.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Bhaskar"> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear friends, Please read these lines properly and slowly. > are dekhi> > > > > zamaane ki yaari> > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > > kya le ke milen ab duniya se, aansu ke siva kuch paas nahi> > > > > ya phul hi phul the daaman men, ya kaanton ki bhi aas nahi> > > > > matalab ki duniya hai saari> > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > >> > > > > vaqt hai maharabaan, aarazu hai javaan> > > > > fikr kal ki karen, itani fursat kahaan> > > > >> > > > > daur ye chalata rahe rang uchhalata rahe> > > > > roop machalata rahe, jaam badalata rahe> > > > >> > > > > raat bhar mahamaan hain bahaaren yahaan> > > > > raat gar dhal gayi phir ye khushiyaan kahaan> > > > > pal bhar ki khushiyaan hain saari> > > > > badhane lagi beqaraari badhane lagi beqaraari> > > > > are dekhi zamaane ki yaari> > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > >> > > > > ud ja ud ja pyaase bhanvare, ras na milega kaaron mein> > > > > kaagaz ke phul jahaan khilate hain, baith na un gulazaaro mein> > > > > naadan tamanna reti men, ummid ki kashti kheti hai> > > > > ik haath se deti hai duniyaa, sau haathon se leti hai> > > > > ye khel hai kab se jaari> > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari The above lines> from> > > > > GuruDutts "Kagaz ke phool " is our actual reality of Life. > When a> > > > > child is born, he begins meeting new family members in his> Life,> > > > > Mother, Father, Maternal and Paternal Grandparents, Uncles,> Aunts etc.> > > > > As he grows up he marries and gets one more family member added> to his> > > > > Life. As time passes on , then begins the downward phase of all> these> > > > > relatives whom he has met since childhood, who start> disappearing in> > > > > oblivion. Grandparents, Parents, Uncles, aunties , etc. and> finally the> > > > > wife or the husband one has to also leave, and the man is left> all alone> > > > > in the world, just like he had come all alone in this world. The> time> > > > > begins now for him too, to leave the world. He is now left alone> with> > > > > his, sins, paap-punya, fears and ambitions some met, some> unconquered> > > > > awaiting the dark day when he too will leave on the path the> others have> > > > > left. The purpose of this mail is to ask the learned members> -What are> > > > > the astrological rules for finding out, who will leave first,> the> > > > > husband or the wife ? Hope some one can throw light on this.> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.

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I am not sure how Shri Kulbirji will do this, but preparing and understanding

aspects from a Lal Kitabs aspect chart will be very difficult, because we need

somebody to explain it like Kilbirji did it the last time.

 

There are many types of aspects here like 1) Mutually supportive aspects 2)

Deceptive Square aspects 3) Friendly aspects 4) Joint house aspects 5) Routine

aspects 6) Deceptive square aspects etc.

 

and to put this in a single Sketch Chart is all nigh impossible.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " Chakraborty, PL "

<CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir-ji,

>

> Can you please put a Sketch showing the aspects ? It is easier to remeber for

some of us.

>

> Also as i understand, the aspect rules are a bit different. My question is..

>

> 1st house aspects 7th house with full aspect. Does the 7th house aspects 1st

house ?

> Similarly does 10th house aspect 4th house ?

>

> regards

>

> Chakraborty

>

>

> ________________________________

>

On Behalf Of Bhaskar

> Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:27 PM

>

> Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari ...Aspects

in Lalkitab

>

>

>

> Dear Kulbir ji,

>

> Thank You. This is really very good knowledge.

>

> I request those interested in Lal Kitab to please copy and save this mail in

their Computers for future reference. Because Aspects in Lal KItab is a very

important factor without one cannot understand the whys of many results as well

as remedial measures.

>

> Thanks once again,

> Bhaskar.

>

> --- In

<%40\

groups.com>, " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji and G.K Goel Ji;

> >

> >

> > Aspects in Lalkitab

> >

> >

> >

> > To understand the concept of aspects the first condition is to

> > understand the diagram representing the horoscope.

> >

> > Lalkitab follows the diagram which is generally known as North Indian

> > Horoscope Chart or Diagram.

> >

> > According to Lalkitab ;-

> >

> > Horoscope represents a House with 8 Rooms (quarters);

> >

> > 4 Houses i.e. House no. 1,4,7 and 10 have 4 walls so they are in

> > complete shape;

> >

> > Other 8 houses i.e. 2,3,5,6,8,9,11 and 12 have three walls each so they

> > are incomplete; these houses are part of other houses or compliment each

> > other to make 4 complete houses.

> >

> >

> >

> > Planets in the houses are to be considered as light emitting sources,

> > they emit the light in the house in which they are posited; the houses

> > have portions/doors from which this light is emitted outside and can be

> > transferred to other houses.

> >

> >

> >

> > House no 1 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 7 ;

> >

> > House no 4 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 10 ;

> >

> >

> >

> > House no 3 casts 50 percent aspect upon house no. 9 and 11.

> >

> > House no 5 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 9 ;

> >

> >

> >

> > House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 ;

> >

> > House no 6 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12 ;

> >

> >

> >

> > Exceptions;-

> >

> >

> >

> > i) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2 ;

> >

> > ii) House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6

> > casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 2

> > is carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.

> >

> > iii) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2; House no

> > 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6 casts 25

> > percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 8 is also

> > carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.

> >

> >

> >

> > Exceptions to special planets;

> >

> >

> >

> > 1. The luminaries Sun and Moon posited in house no 9 cast aspect

> > upon house no.5.

> > 2. Saturn posited in house no 2 is capable of casting aspect

> > upon house no 2. (Metaphorically: - angry cobra when raises its

> > hood, it's eyes are pointed backwards.)

> > 3. Mercury posited in house no. 12 casts aspect upon house no 6.

> >

> >

> >

> > Note;- Concept of reverse aspect is also there but this reverse aspect

> > does not influence the native directly; it influences his relatives

> > connected with the house; so reverse aspect is to be considered as a

> > separate chapter/concept.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In

<%40\

groups.com>, " kulbir "

> > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji; i too read Shri G.K .GOEL's querry today; i will

> > definitely send in a detailed note on aspects as per lalkitab including

> > all dimensions.

> > > With Respect

> > > kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40\

groups.com>, " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > >

> > > > Sorry I just remembered that I have not acknowledged this mail .

> > This is a good mail from your side as usual. Except that it may be

> > difficult for one to understand who may not be well versant with the

> > aspects of Lalkitab. If whenever you have the time to explain the

> > aspects from which house which planet can aspect to which house and

> > planet seated there, please do give us the inputs on the same.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40\

groups.com>, " kulbir "

> > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji;

> > > > > Lalkitab 1940 page 158-59;

> > > > > How long will husband and wife remain together;

> > > > >

> > > > > Mard v Aurat ke jode ji umar;

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Venus with aspect from ;

> > > > > i) a friend - wife will outlive the husband's age.

> > > > > ii) an enemy - husband will outlive the wife,s age.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Mercury with aspect from ;

> > > > > i) a friend - Husband will outlive the wife's age.

> > > > > ii) an enemy - wife will outlive the husband's age.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. venus, mercury together with aspect from;

> > > > > i) a friend both will have long life; term

> > > > > ii) an enemy both will have a short life; term

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. venus has aspect from its friend Saturn and mercury has aspect

> > from its enemy Moon; husband will leave this world before his wife;

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. mercury has aspect from its friend Sun, Rahu and venus has

> > aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; wife will leave this world before

> > her husband;

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. venus has aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu and mercury has

> > aspect from its friend; wife will leave this world before her husband;

> > not only death; separation by wife leaving the native can also be there.

> > > > >

> > > > > 6. mercury has aspect from its enemy Moon and venus has aspect

> > from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; husband will leave this world before his

> > wife; not only death; separation by husband leaving the native can also

> > be there.

> > > > >

> > > > > interpretation from my side;

> > > > > here we are talking of horoscope of male native; in case of female

> > horoscope; substitute husband to wife and wife to husband.

> > > > >

> > > > > no opinion should be formed on this combinations alone; other

> > planets and their placement also matter. this has been quoted in context

> > of academic discussion only.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

<%40\

groups.com>, " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear friends, Please read these lines properly and slowly.

> > are dekhi

> > > > > > zamaane ki yaari

> > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > > kya le ke milen ab duniya se, aansu ke siva kuch paas nahi

> > > > > > ya phul hi phul the daaman men, ya kaanton ki bhi aas nahi

> > > > > > matalab ki duniya hai saari

> > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vaqt hai maharabaan, aarazu hai javaan

> > > > > > fikr kal ki karen, itani fursat kahaan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > daur ye chalata rahe rang uchhalata rahe

> > > > > > roop machalata rahe, jaam badalata rahe

> > > > > >

> > > > > > raat bhar mahamaan hain bahaaren yahaan

> > > > > > raat gar dhal gayi phir ye khushiyaan kahaan

> > > > > > pal bhar ki khushiyaan hain saari

> > > > > > badhane lagi beqaraari badhane lagi beqaraari

> > > > > > are dekhi zamaane ki yaari

> > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ud ja ud ja pyaase bhanvare, ras na milega kaaron mein

> > > > > > kaagaz ke phul jahaan khilate hain, baith na un gulazaaro mein

> > > > > > naadan tamanna reti men, ummid ki kashti kheti hai

> > > > > > ik haath se deti hai duniyaa, sau haathon se leti hai

> > > > > > ye khel hai kab se jaari

> > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari The above lines

> > from

> > > > > > GuruDutts " Kagaz ke phool " is our actual reality of Life.

> > When a

> > > > > > child is born, he begins meeting new family members in his

> > Life,

> > > > > > Mother, Father, Maternal and Paternal Grandparents, Uncles,

> > Aunts etc.

> > > > > > As he grows up he marries and gets one more family member added

> > to his

> > > > > > Life. As time passes on , then begins the downward phase of all

> > these

> > > > > > relatives whom he has met since childhood, who start

> > disappearing in

> > > > > > oblivion. Grandparents, Parents, Uncles, aunties , etc. and

> > finally the

> > > > > > wife or the husband one has to also leave, and the man is left

> > all alone

> > > > > > in the world, just like he had come all alone in this world. The

> > time

> > > > > > begins now for him too, to leave the world. He is now left alone

> > with

> > > > > > his, sins, paap-punya, fears and ambitions some met, some

> > unconquered

> > > > > > awaiting the dark day when he too will leave on the path the

> > others have

> > > > > > left. The purpose of this mail is to ask the learned members

> > -What are

> > > > > > the astrological rules for finding out, who will leave first,

> > the

> > > > > > husband or the wife ? Hope some one can throw light on this.

> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

> This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The

information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this

message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain

proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended

recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please

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>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar-ji,

 

May be multiple sketches ??

 

I had once joined a lalkitab group...run by Pt. Priya Bhusan-ji.

 

There was a sketch which had indicated the aspects with an arrow mark.

 

I think similar sketches might be available with Kulbir-ji too... probably in some

site. It will be good if such links are provided.

 

 

regards

 

Chakraborty

 

 

 

On Behalf Of BhaskarSaturday, December 26, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari ...Aspects in Lalkitab

I am not sure how Shri Kulbirji will do this, but preparing and understanding aspects from a Lal Kitabs aspect chart will be very difficult, because we need somebody to explain it like Kilbirji did it the last time.There are many types of aspects here like 1) Mutually supportive aspects 2) Deceptive Square aspects 3) Friendly aspects 4) Joint house aspects 5) Routine aspects 6) Deceptive square aspects etc.and to put this in a single Sketch Chart is all nigh impossible.regards/Bhaskar. , "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Kulbir-ji,> > Can you please put a Sketch showing the aspects ? It is easier to remeber for some of us.> > Also as i understand, the aspect rules are a bit different. My question is..> > 1st house aspects 7th house with full aspect. Does the 7th house aspects 1st house ?> Similarly does 10th house aspect 4th house ?> > regards> > Chakraborty> > > ________________________________> On Behalf Of Bhaskar> Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:27 PM> > Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari ...Aspects in Lalkitab> > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > Thank You. This is really very good knowledge.> > I request those interested in Lal Kitab to please copy and save this mail in their Computers for future reference. Because Aspects in Lal KItab is a very important factor without one cannot understand the whys of many results as well as remedial measures.> > Thanks once again,> Bhaskar.> > <%40>, "kulbir" <kulbirbains@> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar ji and G.K Goel Ji;> >> >> > Aspects in Lalkitab> >> >> >> > To understand the concept of aspects the first condition is to> > understand the diagram representing the horoscope.> >> > Lalkitab follows the diagram which is generally known as North Indian> > Horoscope Chart or Diagram.> >> > According to Lalkitab ;-> >> > Horoscope represents a House with 8 Rooms (quarters);> >> > 4 Houses i.e. House no. 1,4,7 and 10 have 4 walls so they are in> > complete shape;> >> > Other 8 houses i.e. 2,3,5,6,8,9,11 and 12 have three walls each so they> > are incomplete; these houses are part of other houses or compliment each> > other to make 4 complete houses.> >> >> >> > Planets in the houses are to be considered as light emitting sources,> > they emit the light in the house in which they are posited; the houses> > have portions/doors from which this light is emitted outside and can be> > transferred to other houses.> >> >> >> > House no 1 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 7 ;> >> > House no 4 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 10 ;> >> >> >> > House no 3 casts 50 percent aspect upon house no. 9 and 11.> >> > House no 5 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 9 ;> >> >> >> > House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 ;> >> > House no 6 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12 ;> >> >> >> > Exceptions;-> >> >> >> > i) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2 ;> >> > ii) House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6> > casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 2> > is carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.> >> > iii) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2; House no> > 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6 casts 25> > percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 8 is also> > carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.> >> >> >> > Exceptions to special planets;> >> >> >> > 1. The luminaries Sun and Moon posited in house no 9 cast aspect> > upon house no.5.> > 2. Saturn posited in house no 2 is capable of casting aspect> > upon house no 2. (Metaphorically: - angry cobra when raises its> > hood, it's eyes are pointed backwards.)> > 3. Mercury posited in house no. 12 casts aspect upon house no 6.> >> >> >> > Note;- Concept of reverse aspect is also there but this reverse aspect> > does not influence the native directly; it influences his relatives> > connected with the house; so reverse aspect is to be considered as a> > separate chapter/concept.> >> >> >> >> > Regards> >> > Kulbir Bains.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > <%40>, "kulbir"> > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar ji; i too read Shri G.K .GOEL's querry today; i will> > definitely send in a detailed note on aspects as per lalkitab including> > all dimensions.> > > With Respect> > > kulbir Bains.> > >> > > <%40>, "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > >> > > > Sorry I just remembered that I have not acknowledged this mail .> > This is a good mail from your side as usual. Except that it may be> > difficult for one to understand who may not be well versant with the> > aspects of Lalkitab. If whenever you have the time to explain the> > aspects from which house which planet can aspect to which house and> > planet seated there, please do give us the inputs on the same.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > > <%40>, "kulbir"> > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji;> > > > > Lalkitab 1940 page 158-59;> > > > > How long will husband and wife remain together;> > > > >> > > > > Mard v Aurat ke jode ji umar;> > > > >> > > > > 1. Venus with aspect from ;> > > > > i) a friend - wife will outlive the husband's age.> > > > > ii) an enemy - husband will outlive the wife,s age.> > > > >> > > > > 2. Mercury with aspect from ;> > > > > i) a friend - Husband will outlive the wife's age.> > > > > ii) an enemy - wife will outlive the husband's age.> > > > >> > > > > 3. venus, mercury together with aspect from;> > > > > i) a friend both will have long life; term> > > > > ii) an enemy both will have a short life; term> > > > >> > > > > 4. venus has aspect from its friend Saturn and mercury has aspect> > from its enemy Moon; husband will leave this world before his wife;> > > > >> > > > > 5. mercury has aspect from its friend Sun, Rahu and venus has> > aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; wife will leave this world before> > her husband;> > > > >> > > > > 5. venus has aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu and mercury has> > aspect from its friend; wife will leave this world before her husband;> > not only death; separation by wife leaving the native can also be there.> > > > >> > > > > 6. mercury has aspect from its enemy Moon and venus has aspect> > from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; husband will leave this world before his> > wife; not only death; separation by husband leaving the native can also> > be there.> > > > >> > > > > interpretation from my side;> > > > > here we are talking of horoscope of male native; in case of female> > horoscope; substitute husband to wife and wife to husband.> > > > >> > > > > no opinion should be formed on this combinations alone; other> > planets and their placement also matter. this has been quoted in context> > of academic discussion only.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > <%40>, "Bhaskar"> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear friends, Please read these lines properly and slowly.> > are dekhi> > > > > > zamaane ki yaari> > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > > > kya le ke milen ab duniya se, aansu ke siva kuch paas nahi> > > > > > ya phul hi phul the daaman men, ya kaanton ki bhi aas nahi> > > > > > matalab ki duniya hai saari> > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > > >> > > > > > vaqt hai maharabaan, aarazu hai javaan> > > > > > fikr kal ki karen, itani fursat kahaan> > > > > >> > > > > > daur ye chalata rahe rang uchhalata rahe> > > > > > roop machalata rahe, jaam badalata rahe> > > > > >> > > > > > raat bhar mahamaan hain bahaaren yahaan> > > > > > raat gar dhal gayi phir ye khushiyaan kahaan> > > > > > pal bhar ki khushiyaan hain saari> > > > > > badhane lagi beqaraari badhane lagi beqaraari> > > > > > are dekhi zamaane ki yaari> > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > > >> > > > > > ud ja ud ja pyaase bhanvare, ras na milega kaaron mein> > > > > > kaagaz ke phul jahaan khilate hain, baith na un gulazaaro mein> > > > > > naadan tamanna reti men, ummid ki kashti kheti hai> > > > > > ik haath se deti hai duniyaa, sau haathon se leti hai> > > > > > ye khel hai kab se jaari> > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari The above lines> > from> > > > > > GuruDutts "Kagaz ke phool " is our actual reality of Life.> > When a> > > > > > child is born, he begins meeting new family members in his> > Life,> > > > > > Mother, Father, Maternal and Paternal Grandparents, Uncles,> > Aunts etc.> > > > > > As he grows up he marries and gets one more family member added> > to his> > > > > > Life. As time passes on , then begins the downward phase of all> > these> > > > > > relatives whom he has met since childhood, who start> > disappearing in> > > > > > oblivion. Grandparents, Parents, Uncles, aunties , etc. and> > finally the> > > > > > wife or the husband one has to also leave, and the man is left> > all alone> > > > > > in the world, just like he had come all alone in this world. The> > time> > > > > > begins now for him too, to leave the world. He is now left alone> > with> > > > > > his, sins, paap-punya, fears and ambitions some met, some> > unconquered> > > > > > awaiting the dark day when he too will leave on the path the> > others have> > > > > > left. The purpose of this mail is to ask the learned members> > -What are> > > > > > the astrological rules for finding out, who will leave first,> > the> > > > > > husband or the wife ? Hope some one can throw light on this.> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.>This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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Dear Chakroborty ji and Vishnu ji,

Bill Gates when he met God after his death, God said "You have done very good deed by bringing home the Computer to everyone including the common man, and it is a great utility to the man, but due to this the family members are now spending less time with each other and have become too mechanical and have less time for human relationship. So I do not know whether to despatch you to heaven or Hell. I will allow you to decide". Bill gates said "Okay please allow me a visit to both heaven and Hell and then I will decide". God took him to a place where he saw a scene of a beach and beautiful women lying all around the beach with inviting postures. He was happy, and God insisted him to look further and also have a look at the other option, but Bill gates had already decided quickly to opt for teh heavens, and he got it. After some passage of time, God visited heaven and asked him "How are you doing buddy " ? Bill Gates in agony replied "God where have you put me ? here people are being boiled in Hot Oil and are suffering . why did you put me here when I selected the option where there was a big beach with beautiful women all around. Why did you do this to me ? " God replied "I had asked you to look further but you did not listen. What you say was actually the Screen saver for the Hell ".

Lalkitab is very good. But very difficult to study and understand. So be careful and cautious when you begin your studies that one will need lots of time and probably 2-3 years to understand it. This is my personal opinion.

Prenatal Epoch, I personally feel one should not touch this unless one is well versant with mathematics and unless one is Expert in Astrological Lore. This also does not serve much purpose these days, I am sorry to say.

I am not trying to dissuade, but just talking of experience that this is "Thedi kheer" and not easy to digest due to lots of "Radha hua doodh". Some matters in astrology look very inviting, interesting and useful. But to arrive at the utility for which the matter represents, it may take half a Life time or few decades too.

Think and then proceed for further studies.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

, "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar-ji,> > May be multiple sketches ??> > I had once joined a lalkitab group...run by Pt. Priya Bhusan-ji.> > There was a sketch which had indicated the aspects with an arrow mark.> > I think similar sketches might be available with Kulbir-ji too... probably in some> site. It will be good if such links are provided.> > > regards> > Chakraborty> > > ________________________________> On Behalf Of Bhaskar> Saturday, December 26, 2009 4:18 PM> > Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari ...Aspects in Lalkitab> > > > I am not sure how Shri Kulbirji will do this, but preparing and understanding aspects from a Lal Kitabs aspect chart will be very difficult, because we need somebody to explain it like Kilbirji did it the last time.> > There are many types of aspects here like 1) Mutually supportive aspects 2) Deceptive Square aspects 3) Friendly aspects 4) Joint house aspects 5) Routine aspects 6) Deceptive square aspects etc.> > and to put this in a single Sketch Chart is all nigh impossible.> > regards/Bhaskar.> > <%40>, "Chakraborty, PL" CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir-ji,> >> > Can you please put a Sketch showing the aspects ? It is easier to remeber for some of us.> >> > Also as i understand, the aspect rules are a bit different. My question is..> >> > 1st house aspects 7th house with full aspect. Does the 7th house aspects 1st house ?> > Similarly does 10th house aspect 4th house ?> >> > regards> >> > Chakraborty> >> >> > ________________________________> > <%40> [ <%40>] On Behalf Of Bhaskar> > Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:27 PM> > <%40>> > Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari ...Aspects in Lalkitab> >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji,> >> > Thank You. This is really very good knowledge.> >> > I request those interested in Lal Kitab to please copy and save this mail in their Computers for future reference. Because Aspects in Lal KItab is a very important factor without one cannot understand the whys of many results as well as remedial measures.> >> > Thanks once again,> > Bhaskar.> >> > <%40><%40>, "kulbir" <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar ji and G.K Goel Ji;> > >> > >> > > Aspects in Lalkitab> > >> > >> > >> > > To understand the concept of aspects the first condition is to> > > understand the diagram representing the horoscope.> > >> > > Lalkitab follows the diagram which is generally known as North Indian> > > Horoscope Chart or Diagram.> > >> > > According to Lalkitab ;-> > >> > > Horoscope represents a House with 8 Rooms (quarters);> > >> > > 4 Houses i.e. House no. 1,4,7 and 10 have 4 walls so they are in> > > complete shape;> > >> > > Other 8 houses i.e. 2,3,5,6,8,9,11 and 12 have three walls each so they> > > are incomplete; these houses are part of other houses or compliment each> > > other to make 4 complete houses.> > >> > >> > >> > > Planets in the houses are to be considered as light emitting sources,> > > they emit the light in the house in which they are posited; the houses> > > have portions/doors from which this light is emitted outside and can be> > > transferred to other houses.> > >> > >> > >> > > House no 1 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 7 ;> > >> > > House no 4 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 10 ;> > >> > >> > >> > > House no 3 casts 50 percent aspect upon house no. 9 and 11.> > >> > > House no 5 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 9 ;> > >> > >> > >> > > House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 ;> > >> > > House no 6 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12 ;> > >> > >> > >> > > Exceptions;-> > >> > >> > >> > > i) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2 ;> > >> > > ii) House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6> > > casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 2> > > is carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.> > >> > > iii) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2; House no> > > 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6 casts 25> > > percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 8 is also> > > carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.> > >> > >> > >> > > Exceptions to special planets;> > >> > >> > >> > > 1. The luminaries Sun and Moon posited in house no 9 cast aspect> > > upon house no.5.> > > 2. Saturn posited in house no 2 is capable of casting aspect> > > upon house no 2. (Metaphorically: - angry cobra when raises its> > > hood, it's eyes are pointed backwards.)> > > 3. Mercury posited in house no. 12 casts aspect upon house no 6.> > >> > >> > >> > > Note;- Concept of reverse aspect is also there but this reverse aspect> > > does not influence the native directly; it influences his relatives> > > connected with the house; so reverse aspect is to be considered as a> > > separate chapter/concept.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Kulbir Bains.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > <%40><%40>, "kulbir"> > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji; i too read Shri G.K .GOEL's querry today; i will> > > definitely send in a detailed note on aspects as per lalkitab including> > > all dimensions.> > > > With Respect> > > > kulbir Bains.> > > >> > > > <%40><%40>, "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > >> > > > > Sorry I just remembered that I have not acknowledged this mail .> > > This is a good mail from your side as usual. Except that it may be> > > difficult for one to understand who may not be well versant with the> > > aspects of Lalkitab. If whenever you have the time to explain the> > > aspects from which house which planet can aspect to which house and> > > planet seated there, please do give us the inputs on the same.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > <%40><%40>, "kulbir"> > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji;> > > > > > Lalkitab 1940 page 158-59;> > > > > > How long will husband and wife remain together;> > > > > >> > > > > > Mard v Aurat ke jode ji umar;> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Venus with aspect from ;> > > > > > i) a friend - wife will outlive the husband's age.> > > > > > ii) an enemy - husband will outlive the wife,s age.> > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Mercury with aspect from ;> > > > > > i) a friend - Husband will outlive the wife's age.> > > > > > ii) an enemy - wife will outlive the husband's age.> > > > > >> > > > > > 3. venus, mercury together with aspect from;> > > > > > i) a friend both will have long life; term> > > > > > ii) an enemy both will have a short life; term> > > > > >> > > > > > 4. venus has aspect from its friend Saturn and mercury has aspect> > > from its enemy Moon; husband will leave this world before his wife;> > > > > >> > > > > > 5. mercury has aspect from its friend Sun, Rahu and venus has> > > aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; wife will leave this world before> > > her husband;> > > > > >> > > > > > 5. venus has aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu and mercury has> > > aspect from its friend; wife will leave this world before her husband;> > > not only death; separation by wife leaving the native can also be there.> > > > > >> > > > > > 6. mercury has aspect from its enemy Moon and venus has aspect> > > from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; husband will leave this world before his> > > wife; not only death; separation by husband leaving the native can also> > > be there.> > > > > >> > > > > > interpretation from my side;> > > > > > here we are talking of horoscope of male native; in case of female> > > horoscope; substitute husband to wife and wife to husband.> > > > > >> > > > > > no opinion should be formed on this combinations alone; other> > > planets and their placement also matter. this has been quoted in context> > > of academic discussion only.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > <%40><%40>, "Bhaskar"> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear friends, Please read these lines properly and slowly.> > > are dekhi> > > > > > > zamaane ki yaari> > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > > > > kya le ke milen ab duniya se, aansu ke siva kuch paas nahi> > > > > > > ya phul hi phul the daaman men, ya kaanton ki bhi aas nahi> > > > > > > matalab ki duniya hai saari> > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > > > >> > > > > > > vaqt hai maharabaan, aarazu hai javaan> > > > > > > fikr kal ki karen, itani fursat kahaan> > > > > > >> > > > > > > daur ye chalata rahe rang uchhalata rahe> > > > > > > roop machalata rahe, jaam badalata rahe> > > > > > >> > > > > > > raat bhar mahamaan hain bahaaren yahaan> > > > > > > raat gar dhal gayi phir ye khushiyaan kahaan> > > > > > > pal bhar ki khushiyaan hain saari> > > > > > > badhane lagi beqaraari badhane lagi beqaraari> > > > > > > are dekhi zamaane ki yaari> > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ud ja ud ja pyaase bhanvare, ras na milega kaaron mein> > > > > > > kaagaz ke phul jahaan khilate hain, baith na un gulazaaro mein> > > > > > > naadan tamanna reti men, ummid ki kashti kheti hai> > > > > > > ik haath se deti hai duniyaa, sau haathon se leti hai> > > > > > > ye khel hai kab se jaari> > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari The above lines> > > from> > > > > > > GuruDutts "Kagaz ke phool " is our actual reality of Life.> > > When a> > > > > > > child is born, he begins meeting new family members in his> > > Life,> > > > > > > Mother, Father, Maternal and Paternal Grandparents, Uncles,> > > Aunts etc.> > > > > > > As he grows up he marries and gets one more family member added> > > to his> > > > > > > Life. As time passes on , then begins the downward phase of all> > > these> > > > > > > relatives whom he has met since childhood, who start> > > disappearing in> > > > > > > oblivion. Grandparents, Parents, Uncles, aunties , etc. and> > > finally the> > > > > > > wife or the husband one has to also leave, and the man is left> > > all alone> > > > > > > in the world, just like he had come all alone in this world. The> > > time> > > > > > > begins now for him too, to leave the world. He is now left alone> > > with> > > > > > > his, sins, paap-punya, fears and ambitions some met, some> > > unconquered> > > > > > > awaiting the dark day when he too will leave on the path the> > > others have> > > > > > > left. The purpose of this mail is to ask the learned members> > > -What are> > > > > > > the astrological rules for finding out, who will leave first,> > > the> > > > > > > husband or the wife ? Hope some one can throw light on this.> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.> >> > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.>

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Moral of the Story - The Screen Saver which looks beautiful enough, may not actually tell the whole story.

regards/Bhaskar.

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Chakroborty ji and Vishnu ji,> > Bill Gates when he met God after his death, God said "You have done very> good deed by bringing home the Computer to everyone including the common> man, and it is a great utility to the man, but due to this the family> members are now spending less time with each other and have become too> mechanical and have less time for human relationship. So I do not know> whether to despatch you to heaven or Hell. I will allow you to decide".> Bill gates said "Okay please allow me a visit to both heaven and Hell> and then I will decide". God took him to a place where he saw a scene of> a beach and beautiful women lying all around the beach with inviting> postures. He was happy, and God insisted him to look further and also> have a look at the other option, but Bill gates had already decided> quickly to opt for teh heavens, and he got it. After some passage of> time, God visited heaven and asked him "How are you doing buddy " ? Bill> Gates in agony replied "God where have you put me ? here people are> being boiled in Hot Oil and are suffering . why did you put me here when> I selected the option where there was a big beach with beautiful women> all around. Why did you do this to me ? " God replied "I had asked you> to look further but you did not listen. What you say was actually the> Screen saver for the Hell ".> > Lalkitab is very good. But very difficult to study and understand. So be> careful and cautious when you begin your studies that one will need lots> of time and probably 2-3 years to understand it. This is my personal> opinion.> > Prenatal Epoch, I personally feel one should not touch this unless one> is well versant with mathematics and unless one is Expert in> Astrological Lore. This also does not serve much purpose these days, I> am sorry to say.> > I am not trying to dissuade, but just talking of experience that this is> "Thedi kheer" and not easy to digest due to lots of "Radha hua doodh". > Some matters in astrology look very inviting, interesting and useful.> But to arrive at the utility for which the matter represents, it may> take half a Life time or few decades too.> > Think and then proceed for further studies.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > , "Chakraborty, PL"> CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar-ji,> >> > May be multiple sketches ??> >> > I had once joined a lalkitab group...run by Pt. Priya Bhusan-ji.> >> > There was a sketch which had indicated the aspects with an arrow mark.> >> > I think similar sketches might be available with Kulbir-ji too...> probably in some> > site. It will be good if such links are provided.> >> >> > regards> >> > Chakraborty> >> >> > ________________________________> > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar> > Saturday, December 26, 2009 4:18 PM> > > > Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari> ...Aspects in Lalkitab> >> >> >> > I am not sure how Shri Kulbirji will do this, but preparing and> understanding aspects from a Lal Kitabs aspect chart will be very> difficult, because we need somebody to explain it like Kilbirji did it> the last time.> >> > There are many types of aspects here like 1) Mutually supportive> aspects 2) Deceptive Square aspects 3) Friendly aspects 4) Joint house> aspects 5) Routine aspects 6) Deceptive square aspects etc.> >> > and to put this in a single Sketch Chart is all nigh impossible.> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> > --- In> <\> %40>, "Chakraborty, PL" CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kulbir-ji,> > >> > > Can you please put a Sketch showing the aspects ? It is easier to> remeber for some of us.> > >> > > Also as i understand, the aspect rules are a bit different. My> question is..> > >> > > 1st house aspects 7th house with full aspect. Does the 7th house> aspects 1st house ?> > > Similarly does 10th house aspect 4th house ?> > >> > > regards> > >> > > Chakraborty> > >> > >> > > ________________________________> > > > <\> %40>> [ <ancient_indian_a\> strology%40>] On Behalf Of Bhaskar> > > Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:27 PM> > > To:> <\> %40>> > > Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari> ...Aspects in Lalkitab> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > >> > > Thank You. This is really very good knowledge.> > >> > > I request those interested in Lal Kitab to please copy and save this> mail in their Computers for future reference. Because Aspects in Lal> KItab is a very important factor without one cannot understand the whys> of many results as well as remedial measures.> > >> > > Thanks once again,> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > > --- In> <\> %40><%40>,> "kulbir" <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji and G.K Goel Ji;> > > >> > > >> > > > Aspects in Lalkitab> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > To understand the concept of aspects the first condition is to> > > > understand the diagram representing the horoscope.> > > >> > > > Lalkitab follows the diagram which is generally known as North> Indian> > > > Horoscope Chart or Diagram.> > > >> > > > According to Lalkitab ;-> > > >> > > > Horoscope represents a House with 8 Rooms (quarters);> > > >> > > > 4 Houses i.e. House no. 1,4,7 and 10 have 4 walls so they are in> > > > complete shape;> > > >> > > > Other 8 houses i.e. 2,3,5,6,8,9,11 and 12 have three walls each so> they> > > > are incomplete; these houses are part of other houses or> compliment each> > > > other to make 4 complete houses.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Planets in the houses are to be considered as light emitting> sources,> > > > they emit the light in the house in which they are posited; the> houses> > > > have portions/doors from which this light is emitted outside and> can be> > > > transferred to other houses.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > House no 1 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 7 ;> > > >> > > > House no 4 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 10 ;> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > House no 3 casts 50 percent aspect upon house no. 9 and 11.> > > >> > > > House no 5 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 9 ;> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 ;> > > >> > > > House no 6 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12 ;> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Exceptions;-> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > i) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2 ;> > > >> > > > ii) House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house> no 6> > > > casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house> no 2> > > > is carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.> > > >> > > > iii) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2;> House no> > > > 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6 casts 25> > > > percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 8 is> also> > > > carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Exceptions to special planets;> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > 1. The luminaries Sun and Moon posited in house no 9 cast aspect> > > > upon house no.5.> > > > 2. Saturn posited in house no 2 is capable of casting aspect> > > > upon house no 2. (Metaphorically: - angry cobra when raises its> > > > hood, it's eyes are pointed backwards.)> > > > 3. Mercury posited in house no. 12 casts aspect upon house no 6.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Note;- Concept of reverse aspect is also there but this reverse> aspect> > > > does not influence the native directly; it influences his> relatives> > > > connected with the house; so reverse aspect is to be considered as> a> > > > separate chapter/concept.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > --- In> <\> %40><%40>,> "kulbir"> > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji; i too read Shri G.K .GOEL's querry today; i> will> > > > definitely send in a detailed note on aspects as per lalkitab> including> > > > all dimensions.> > > > > With Respect> > > > > kulbir Bains.> > > > >> > > > > --- In> <\> %40><%40>,> "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sorry I just remembered that I have not acknowledged this mail> .> > > > This is a good mail from your side as usual. Except that it may be> > > > difficult for one to understand who may not be well versant with> the> > > > aspects of Lalkitab. If whenever you have the time to explain the> > > > aspects from which house which planet can aspect to which house> and> > > > planet seated there, please do give us the inputs on the same.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> <\> %40><%40>,> "kulbir"> > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji;> > > > > > > Lalkitab 1940 page 158-59;> > > > > > > How long will husband and wife remain together;> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mard v Aurat ke jode ji umar;> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. Venus with aspect from ;> > > > > > > i) a friend - wife will outlive the husband's age.> > > > > > > ii) an enemy - husband will outlive the wife,s age.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. Mercury with aspect from ;> > > > > > > i) a friend - Husband will outlive the wife's age.> > > > > > > ii) an enemy - wife will outlive the husband's age.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3. venus, mercury together with aspect from;> > > > > > > i) a friend both will have long life; term> > > > > > > ii) an enemy both will have a short life; term> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 4. venus has aspect from its friend Saturn and mercury has> aspect> > > > from its enemy Moon; husband will leave this world before his> wife;> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 5. mercury has aspect from its friend Sun, Rahu and venus> has> > > > aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; wife will leave this world> before> > > > her husband;> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 5. venus has aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu and> mercury has> > > > aspect from its friend; wife will leave this world before her> husband;> > > > not only death; separation by wife leaving the native can also be> there.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 6. mercury has aspect from its enemy Moon and venus has> aspect> > > > from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; husband will leave this world> before his> > > > wife; not only death; separation by husband leaving the native can> also> > > > be there.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > interpretation from my side;> > > > > > > here we are talking of horoscope of male native; in case of> female> > > > horoscope; substitute husband to wife and wife to husband.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > no opinion should be formed on this combinations alone;> other> > > > planets and their placement also matter. this has been quoted in> context> > > > of academic discussion only.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In> <\> %40><%40>,> "Bhaskar"> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear friends, Please read these lines properly and slowly.> > > > are dekhi> > > > > > > > zamaane ki yaari> > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > > > > > kya le ke milen ab duniya se, aansu ke siva kuch paas nahi> > > > > > > > ya phul hi phul the daaman men, ya kaanton ki bhi aas nahi> > > > > > > > matalab ki duniya hai saari> > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > vaqt hai maharabaan, aarazu hai javaan> > > > > > > > fikr kal ki karen, itani fursat kahaan> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > daur ye chalata rahe rang uchhalata rahe> > > > > > > > roop machalata rahe, jaam badalata rahe> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > raat bhar mahamaan hain bahaaren yahaan> > > > > > > > raat gar dhal gayi phir ye khushiyaan kahaan> > > > > > > > pal bhar ki khushiyaan hain saari> > > > > > > > badhane lagi beqaraari badhane lagi beqaraari> > > > > > > > are dekhi zamaane ki yaari> > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ud ja ud ja pyaase bhanvare, ras na milega kaaron mein> > > > > > > > kaagaz ke phul jahaan khilate hain, baith na un gulazaaro> mein> > > > > > > > naadan tamanna reti men, ummid ki kashti kheti hai> > > > > > > > ik haath se deti hai duniyaa, sau haathon se leti hai> > > > > > > > ye khel hai kab se jaari> > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari The above> lines> > > > from> > > > > > > > GuruDutts "Kagaz ke phool " is our actual reality of Life.> > > > When a> > > > > > > > child is born, he begins meeting new family members in his> > > > Life,> > > > > > > > Mother, Father, Maternal and Paternal Grandparents,> Uncles,> > > > Aunts etc.> > > > > > > > As he grows up he marries and gets one more family member> added> > > > to his> > > > > > > > Life. As time passes on , then begins the downward phase> of all> > > > these> > > > > > > > relatives whom he has met since childhood, who start> > > > disappearing in> > > > > > > > oblivion. Grandparents, Parents, Uncles, aunties , etc.> and> > > > finally the> > > > > > > > wife or the husband one has to also leave, and the man is> left> > > > all alone> > > > > > > > in the world, just like he had come all alone in this> world. The> > > > time> > > > > > > > begins now for him too, to leave the world. He is now left> alone> > > > with> > > > > > > > his, sins, paap-punya, fears and ambitions some met, some> > > > unconquered> > > > > > > > awaiting the dark day when he too will leave on the path> the> > > > others have> > > > > > > > left. The purpose of this mail is to ask the learned> members> > > > -What are> > > > > > > > the astrological rules for finding out, who will leave> first,> > > > the> > > > > > > > husband or the wife ? Hope some one can throw light on> this.> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi,> India. The information contained in this electronic message and any> attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the> addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged> information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not> disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender> immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.> > >> >> >> >> > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi,> India. The information contained in this electronic message and any> attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the> addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged> information. 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[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar Ji; Thanks for approving this post; actually whenever i post a

message on lalkitab in this group; especially addressed to your goodself; i have

to prepare like a student appearing for his matriculation board examinations.

this post has 3 vital points;

i) concept of 8 houses, 4 complete; 8 incomplete; not only in aspects; this

concept once understood thoroughly helps in revealing many other arenas of

lalkitab ideology;

ii) many books i.e. commentaries on lalkitab; mention that 8th house aspects 2nd

house with 100 percent aspect; i didn't find any percentage given to 8th house

aspect on 2nd house;

iii) i came across a word Panffar on page 103 line 5 of 1939 edition; i still

don't know it's exact meaning; i hope to find its exact meaning and thereafter

the line soon and add it to this post soon.

Respect and Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir ji,

>

> Thank You. This is really very good knowledge.

>

> I request those interested in Lal Kitab to please copy and save this mail in

their Computers for future reference. Because Aspects in Lal KItab is a very

important factor without one cannot understand the whys of many results as well

as remedial measures.

>

> Thanks once again,

> Bhaskar.

, " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji and G.K Goel Ji;

> >

> >

> > Aspects in Lalkitab

> >

> >

> >

> > To understand the concept of aspects the first condition is to

> > understand the diagram representing the horoscope.

> >

> > Lalkitab follows the diagram which is generally known as North Indian

> > Horoscope Chart or Diagram.

> >

> > According to Lalkitab ;-

> >

> > Horoscope represents a House with 8 Rooms (quarters);

> >

> > 4 Houses i.e. House no. 1,4,7 and 10 have 4 walls so they are in

> > complete shape;

> >

> > Other 8 houses i.e. 2,3,5,6,8,9,11 and 12 have three walls each so they

> > are incomplete; these houses are part of other houses or compliment each

> > other to make 4 complete houses.

> >

> >

> >

> > Planets in the houses are to be considered as light emitting sources,

> > they emit the light in the house in which they are posited; the houses

> > have portions/doors from which this light is emitted outside and can be

> > transferred to other houses.

> >

> >

> >

> > House no 1 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 7 ;

> >

> > House no 4 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 10 ;

> >

> >

> >

> > House no 3 casts 50 percent aspect upon house no. 9 and 11.

> >

> > House no 5 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 9 ;

> >

> >

> >

> > House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 ;

> >

> > House no 6 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12 ;

> >

> >

> >

> > Exceptions;-

> >

> >

> >

> > i) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2 ;

> >

> > ii) House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6

> > casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 2

> > is carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.

> >

> > iii) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2; House no

> > 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6 casts 25

> > percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 8 is also

> > carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.

> >

> >

> >

> > Exceptions to special planets;

> >

> >

> >

> > 1. The luminaries Sun and Moon posited in house no 9 cast aspect

> > upon house no.5.

> > 2. Saturn posited in house no 2 is capable of casting aspect

> > upon house no 2. (Metaphorically: - angry cobra when raises its

> > hood, it's eyes are pointed backwards.)

> > 3. Mercury posited in house no. 12 casts aspect upon house no 6.

> >

> >

> >

> > Note;- Concept of reverse aspect is also there but this reverse aspect

> > does not influence the native directly; it influences his relatives

> > connected with the house; so reverse aspect is to be considered as a

> > separate chapter/concept.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " kulbir "

> > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji; i too read Shri G.K .GOEL's querry today; i will

> > definitely send in a detailed note on aspects as per lalkitab including

> > all dimensions.

> > > With Respect

> > > kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > >

> > > > Sorry I just remembered that I have not acknowledged this mail .

> > This is a good mail from your side as usual. Except that it may be

> > difficult for one to understand who may not be well versant with the

> > aspects of Lalkitab. If whenever you have the time to explain the

> > aspects from which house which planet can aspect to which house and

> > planet seated there, please do give us the inputs on the same.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " kulbir "

> > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji;

> > > > > Lalkitab 1940 page 158-59;

> > > > > How long will husband and wife remain together;

> > > > >

> > > > > Mard v Aurat ke jode ji umar;

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Venus with aspect from ;

> > > > > i) a friend - wife will outlive the husband's age.

> > > > > ii) an enemy - husband will outlive the wife,s age.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Mercury with aspect from ;

> > > > > i) a friend - Husband will outlive the wife's age.

> > > > > ii) an enemy - wife will outlive the husband's age.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. venus, mercury together with aspect from;

> > > > > i) a friend both will have long life; term

> > > > > ii) an enemy both will have a short life; term

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. venus has aspect from its friend Saturn and mercury has aspect

> > from its enemy Moon; husband will leave this world before his wife;

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. mercury has aspect from its friend Sun, Rahu and venus has

> > aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; wife will leave this world before

> > her husband;

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. venus has aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu and mercury has

> > aspect from its friend; wife will leave this world before her husband;

> > not only death; separation by wife leaving the native can also be there.

> > > > >

> > > > > 6. mercury has aspect from its enemy Moon and venus has aspect

> > from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; husband will leave this world before his

> > wife; not only death; separation by husband leaving the native can also

> > be there.

> > > > >

> > > > > interpretation from my side;

> > > > > here we are talking of horoscope of male native; in case of female

> > horoscope; substitute husband to wife and wife to husband.

> > > > >

> > > > > no opinion should be formed on this combinations alone; other

> > planets and their placement also matter. this has been quoted in context

> > of academic discussion only.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear friends, Please read these lines properly and slowly.

> > are dekhi

> > > > > > zamaane ki yaari

> > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > > kya le ke milen ab duniya se, aansu ke siva kuch paas nahi

> > > > > > ya phul hi phul the daaman men, ya kaanton ki bhi aas nahi

> > > > > > matalab ki duniya hai saari

> > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vaqt hai maharabaan, aarazu hai javaan

> > > > > > fikr kal ki karen, itani fursat kahaan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > daur ye chalata rahe rang uchhalata rahe

> > > > > > roop machalata rahe, jaam badalata rahe

> > > > > >

> > > > > > raat bhar mahamaan hain bahaaren yahaan

> > > > > > raat gar dhal gayi phir ye khushiyaan kahaan

> > > > > > pal bhar ki khushiyaan hain saari

> > > > > > badhane lagi beqaraari badhane lagi beqaraari

> > > > > > are dekhi zamaane ki yaari

> > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ud ja ud ja pyaase bhanvare, ras na milega kaaron mein

> > > > > > kaagaz ke phul jahaan khilate hain, baith na un gulazaaro mein

> > > > > > naadan tamanna reti men, ummid ki kashti kheti hai

> > > > > > ik haath se deti hai duniyaa, sau haathon se leti hai

> > > > > > ye khel hai kab se jaari

> > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari The above lines

> > from

> > > > > > GuruDutts " Kagaz ke phool " is our actual reality of Life.

> > When a

> > > > > > child is born, he begins meeting new family members in his

> > Life,

> > > > > > Mother, Father, Maternal and Paternal Grandparents, Uncles,

> > Aunts etc.

> > > > > > As he grows up he marries and gets one more family member added

> > to his

> > > > > > Life. As time passes on , then begins the downward phase of all

> > these

> > > > > > relatives whom he has met since childhood, who start

> > disappearing in

> > > > > > oblivion. Grandparents, Parents, Uncles, aunties , etc. and

> > finally the

> > > > > > wife or the husband one has to also leave, and the man is left

> > all alone

> > > > > > in the world, just like he had come all alone in this world. The

> > time

> > > > > > begins now for him too, to leave the world. He is now left alone

> > with

> > > > > > his, sins, paap-punya, fears and ambitions some met, some

> > unconquered

> > > > > > awaiting the dark day when he too will leave on the path the

> > others have

> > > > > > left. The purpose of this mail is to ask the learned members

> > -What are

> > > > > > the astrological rules for finding out, who will leave first,

> > the

> > > > > > husband or the wife ? Hope some one can throw light on this.

> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chakraborty ji;

Yes planet in 7th house casts full aspect on 1st house and similarly 10th

aspects 4th house; infact every house from 7-12 casts aspect upon the house in

7-1 relationship which is referred to as retro aspect or reverse aspect

(exception of 8th house; it aspects 8th house with straight aspect). It needs a

detailed article to explain the retro aspect ;and the difference between

straight and retro aspect; which hopefully i shall be able to post soon.

Regards

Kulbir Bains

 

, " Chakraborty, PL "

<CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir-ji,

>

> Can you please put a Sketch showing the aspects ? It is easier to remeber for

some of us.

>

> Also as i understand, the aspect rules are a bit different. My question is..

>

> 1st house aspects 7th house with full aspect. Does the 7th house aspects 1st

house ?

> Similarly does 10th house aspect 4th house ?

>

> regards

>

> Chakraborty

>

>

> ________________________________

>

On Behalf Of Bhaskar

> Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:27 PM

>

> Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari ...Aspects

in Lalkitab

>

>

>

> Dear Kulbir ji,

>

> Thank You. This is really very good knowledge.

>

> I request those interested in Lal Kitab to please copy and save this mail in

their Computers for future reference. Because Aspects in Lal KItab is a very

important factor without one cannot understand the whys of many results as well

as remedial measures.

>

> Thanks once again,

> Bhaskar.

>

> --- In

<%40\

groups.com>, " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji and G.K Goel Ji;

> >

> >

> > Aspects in Lalkitab

> >

> >

> >

> > To understand the concept of aspects the first condition is to

> > understand the diagram representing the horoscope.

> >

> > Lalkitab follows the diagram which is generally known as North Indian

> > Horoscope Chart or Diagram.

> >

> > According to Lalkitab ;-

> >

> > Horoscope represents a House with 8 Rooms (quarters);

> >

> > 4 Houses i.e. House no. 1,4,7 and 10 have 4 walls so they are in

> > complete shape;

> >

> > Other 8 houses i.e. 2,3,5,6,8,9,11 and 12 have three walls each so they

> > are incomplete; these houses are part of other houses or compliment each

> > other to make 4 complete houses.

> >

> >

> >

> > Planets in the houses are to be considered as light emitting sources,

> > they emit the light in the house in which they are posited; the houses

> > have portions/doors from which this light is emitted outside and can be

> > transferred to other houses.

> >

> >

> >

> > House no 1 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 7 ;

> >

> > House no 4 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 10 ;

> >

> >

> >

> > House no 3 casts 50 percent aspect upon house no. 9 and 11.

> >

> > House no 5 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 9 ;

> >

> >

> >

> > House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 ;

> >

> > House no 6 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12 ;

> >

> >

> >

> > Exceptions;-

> >

> >

> >

> > i) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2 ;

> >

> > ii) House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6

> > casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 2

> > is carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.

> >

> > iii) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2; House no

> > 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6 casts 25

> > percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 8 is also

> > carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.

> >

> >

> >

> > Exceptions to special planets;

> >

> >

> >

> > 1. The luminaries Sun and Moon posited in house no 9 cast aspect

> > upon house no.5.

> > 2. Saturn posited in house no 2 is capable of casting aspect

> > upon house no 2. (Metaphorically: - angry cobra when raises its

> > hood, it's eyes are pointed backwards.)

> > 3. Mercury posited in house no. 12 casts aspect upon house no 6.

> >

> >

> >

> > Note;- Concept of reverse aspect is also there but this reverse aspect

> > does not influence the native directly; it influences his relatives

> > connected with the house; so reverse aspect is to be considered as a

> > separate chapter/concept.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In

<%40\

groups.com>, " kulbir "

> > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji; i too read Shri G.K .GOEL's querry today; i will

> > definitely send in a detailed note on aspects as per lalkitab including

> > all dimensions.

> > > With Respect

> > > kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40\

groups.com>, " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > >

> > > > Sorry I just remembered that I have not acknowledged this mail .

> > This is a good mail from your side as usual. Except that it may be

> > difficult for one to understand who may not be well versant with the

> > aspects of Lalkitab. If whenever you have the time to explain the

> > aspects from which house which planet can aspect to which house and

> > planet seated there, please do give us the inputs on the same.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40\

groups.com>, " kulbir "

> > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji;

> > > > > Lalkitab 1940 page 158-59;

> > > > > How long will husband and wife remain together;

> > > > >

> > > > > Mard v Aurat ke jode ji umar;

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Venus with aspect from ;

> > > > > i) a friend - wife will outlive the husband's age.

> > > > > ii) an enemy - husband will outlive the wife,s age.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Mercury with aspect from ;

> > > > > i) a friend - Husband will outlive the wife's age.

> > > > > ii) an enemy - wife will outlive the husband's age.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. venus, mercury together with aspect from;

> > > > > i) a friend both will have long life; term

> > > > > ii) an enemy both will have a short life; term

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. venus has aspect from its friend Saturn and mercury has aspect

> > from its enemy Moon; husband will leave this world before his wife;

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. mercury has aspect from its friend Sun, Rahu and venus has

> > aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; wife will leave this world before

> > her husband;

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. venus has aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu and mercury has

> > aspect from its friend; wife will leave this world before her husband;

> > not only death; separation by wife leaving the native can also be there.

> > > > >

> > > > > 6. mercury has aspect from its enemy Moon and venus has aspect

> > from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; husband will leave this world before his

> > wife; not only death; separation by husband leaving the native can also

> > be there.

> > > > >

> > > > > interpretation from my side;

> > > > > here we are talking of horoscope of male native; in case of female

> > horoscope; substitute husband to wife and wife to husband.

> > > > >

> > > > > no opinion should be formed on this combinations alone; other

> > planets and their placement also matter. this has been quoted in context

> > of academic discussion only.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

<%40\

groups.com>, " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear friends, Please read these lines properly and slowly.

> > are dekhi

> > > > > > zamaane ki yaari

> > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > > kya le ke milen ab duniya se, aansu ke siva kuch paas nahi

> > > > > > ya phul hi phul the daaman men, ya kaanton ki bhi aas nahi

> > > > > > matalab ki duniya hai saari

> > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vaqt hai maharabaan, aarazu hai javaan

> > > > > > fikr kal ki karen, itani fursat kahaan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > daur ye chalata rahe rang uchhalata rahe

> > > > > > roop machalata rahe, jaam badalata rahe

> > > > > >

> > > > > > raat bhar mahamaan hain bahaaren yahaan

> > > > > > raat gar dhal gayi phir ye khushiyaan kahaan

> > > > > > pal bhar ki khushiyaan hain saari

> > > > > > badhane lagi beqaraari badhane lagi beqaraari

> > > > > > are dekhi zamaane ki yaari

> > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ud ja ud ja pyaase bhanvare, ras na milega kaaron mein

> > > > > > kaagaz ke phul jahaan khilate hain, baith na un gulazaaro mein

> > > > > > naadan tamanna reti men, ummid ki kashti kheti hai

> > > > > > ik haath se deti hai duniyaa, sau haathon se leti hai

> > > > > > ye khel hai kab se jaari

> > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari The above lines

> > from

> > > > > > GuruDutts " Kagaz ke phool " is our actual reality of Life.

> > When a

> > > > > > child is born, he begins meeting new family members in his

> > Life,

> > > > > > Mother, Father, Maternal and Paternal Grandparents, Uncles,

> > Aunts etc.

> > > > > > As he grows up he marries and gets one more family member added

> > to his

> > > > > > Life. As time passes on , then begins the downward phase of all

> > these

> > > > > > relatives whom he has met since childhood, who start

> > disappearing in

> > > > > > oblivion. Grandparents, Parents, Uncles, aunties , etc. and

> > finally the

> > > > > > wife or the husband one has to also leave, and the man is left

> > all alone

> > > > > > in the world, just like he had come all alone in this world. The

> > time

> > > > > > begins now for him too, to leave the world. He is now left alone

> > with

> > > > > > his, sins, paap-punya, fears and ambitions some met, some

> > unconquered

> > > > > > awaiting the dark day when he too will leave on the path the

> > others have

> > > > > > left. The purpose of this mail is to ask the learned members

> > -What are

> > > > > > the astrological rules for finding out, who will leave first,

> > the

> > > > > > husband or the wife ? Hope some one can throw light on this.

> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

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Please read as -

What you saw was actually the Screen saver for the Hell .

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Chakroborty ji and Vishnu ji,> > Bill Gates when he met God after his death, God said "You have done very> good deed by bringing home the Computer to everyone including the common> man, and it is a great utility to the man, but due to this the family> members are now spending less time with each other and have become too> mechanical and have less time for human relationship. So I do not know> whether to despatch you to heaven or Hell. I will allow you to decide".> Bill gates said "Okay please allow me a visit to both heaven and Hell> and then I will decide". God took him to a place where he saw a scene of> a beach and beautiful women lying all around the beach with inviting> postures. He was happy, and God insisted him to look further and also> have a look at the other option, but Bill gates had already decided> quickly to opt for teh heavens, and he got it. After some passage of> time, God visited heaven and asked him "How are you doing buddy " ? Bill> Gates in agony replied "God where have you put me ? here people are> being boiled in Hot Oil and are suffering . why did you put me here when> I selected the option where there was a big beach with beautiful women> all around. Why did you do this to me ? " God replied "I had asked you> to look further but you did not listen. What you say was actually the> Screen saver for the Hell ".> > Lalkitab is very good. But very difficult to study and understand. So be> careful and cautious when you begin your studies that one will need lots> of time and probably 2-3 years to understand it. This is my personal> opinion.> > Prenatal Epoch, I personally feel one should not touch this unless one> is well versant with mathematics and unless one is Expert in> Astrological Lore. This also does not serve much purpose these days, I> am sorry to say.> > I am not trying to dissuade, but just talking of experience that this is> "Thedi kheer" and not easy to digest due to lots of "Radha hua doodh". > Some matters in astrology look very inviting, interesting and useful.> But to arrive at the utility for which the matter represents, it may> take half a Life time or few decades too.> > Think and then proceed for further studies.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > , "Chakraborty, PL"> CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar-ji,> >> > May be multiple sketches ??> >> > I had once joined a lalkitab group...run by Pt. Priya Bhusan-ji.> >> > There was a sketch which had indicated the aspects with an arrow mark.> >> > I think similar sketches might be available with Kulbir-ji too...> probably in some> > site. It will be good if such links are provided.> >> >> > regards> >> > Chakraborty> >> >> > ________________________________> > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar> > Saturday, December 26, 2009 4:18 PM> > > > Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari> ...Aspects in Lalkitab> >> >> >> > I am not sure how Shri Kulbirji will do this, but preparing and> understanding aspects from a Lal Kitabs aspect chart will be very> difficult, because we need somebody to explain it like Kilbirji did it> the last time.> >> > There are many types of aspects here like 1) Mutually supportive> aspects 2) Deceptive Square aspects 3) Friendly aspects 4) Joint house> aspects 5) Routine aspects 6) Deceptive square aspects etc.> >> > and to put this in a single Sketch Chart is all nigh impossible.> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> > --- In> <\> %40>, "Chakraborty, PL" CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kulbir-ji,> > >> > > Can you please put a Sketch showing the aspects ? It is easier to> remeber for some of us.> > >> > > Also as i understand, the aspect rules are a bit different. My> question is..> > >> > > 1st house aspects 7th house with full aspect. Does the 7th house> aspects 1st house ?> > > Similarly does 10th house aspect 4th house ?> > >> > > regards> > >> > > Chakraborty> > >> > >> > > ________________________________> > > > <\> %40>> [ <ancient_indian_a\> strology%40>] On Behalf Of Bhaskar> > > Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:27 PM> > > To:> <\> %40>> > > Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari> ...Aspects in Lalkitab> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > >> > > Thank You. This is really very good knowledge.> > >> > > I request those interested in Lal Kitab to please copy and save this> mail in their Computers for future reference. Because Aspects in Lal> KItab is a very important factor without one cannot understand the whys> of many results as well as remedial measures.> > >> > > Thanks once again,> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > > --- In> <\> %40><%40>,> "kulbir" <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji and G.K Goel Ji;> > > >> > > >> > > > Aspects in Lalkitab> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > To understand the concept of aspects the first condition is to> > > > understand the diagram representing the horoscope.> > > >> > > > Lalkitab follows the diagram which is generally known as North> Indian> > > > Horoscope Chart or Diagram.> > > >> > > > According to Lalkitab ;-> > > >> > > > Horoscope represents a House with 8 Rooms (quarters);> > > >> > > > 4 Houses i.e. House no. 1,4,7 and 10 have 4 walls so they are in> > > > complete shape;> > > >> > > > Other 8 houses i.e. 2,3,5,6,8,9,11 and 12 have three walls each so> they> > > > are incomplete; these houses are part of other houses or> compliment each> > > > other to make 4 complete houses.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Planets in the houses are to be considered as light emitting> sources,> > > > they emit the light in the house in which they are posited; the> houses> > > > have portions/doors from which this light is emitted outside and> can be> > > > transferred to other houses.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > House no 1 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 7 ;> > > >> > > > House no 4 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 10 ;> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > House no 3 casts 50 percent aspect upon house no. 9 and 11.> > > >> > > > House no 5 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 9 ;> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 ;> > > >> > > > House no 6 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12 ;> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Exceptions;-> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > i) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2 ;> > > >> > > > ii) House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house> no 6> > > > casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house> no 2> > > > is carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.> > > >> > > > iii) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2;> House no> > > > 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6 casts 25> > > > percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 8 is> also> > > > carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Exceptions to special planets;> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > 1. The luminaries Sun and Moon posited in house no 9 cast aspect> > > > upon house no.5.> > > > 2. Saturn posited in house no 2 is capable of casting aspect> > > > upon house no 2. (Metaphorically: - angry cobra when raises its> > > > hood, it's eyes are pointed backwards.)> > > > 3. Mercury posited in house no. 12 casts aspect upon house no 6.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Note;- Concept of reverse aspect is also there but this reverse> aspect> > > > does not influence the native directly; it influences his> relatives> > > > connected with the house; so reverse aspect is to be considered as> a> > > > separate chapter/concept.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > --- In> <\> %40><%40>,> "kulbir"> > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji; i too read Shri G.K .GOEL's querry today; i> will> > > > definitely send in a detailed note on aspects as per lalkitab> including> > > > all dimensions.> > > > > With Respect> > > > > kulbir Bains.> > > > >> > > > > --- In> <\> %40><%40>,> "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sorry I just remembered that I have not acknowledged this mail> .> > > > This is a good mail from your side as usual. Except that it may be> > > > difficult for one to understand who may not be well versant with> the> > > > aspects of Lalkitab. If whenever you have the time to explain the> > > > aspects from which house which planet can aspect to which house> and> > > > planet seated there, please do give us the inputs on the same.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> <\> %40><%40>,> "kulbir"> > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji;> > > > > > > Lalkitab 1940 page 158-59;> > > > > > > How long will husband and wife remain together;> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mard v Aurat ke jode ji umar;> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. Venus with aspect from ;> > > > > > > i) a friend - wife will outlive the husband's age.> > > > > > > ii) an enemy - husband will outlive the wife,s age.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. Mercury with aspect from ;> > > > > > > i) a friend - Husband will outlive the wife's age.> > > > > > > ii) an enemy - wife will outlive the husband's age.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3. venus, mercury together with aspect from;> > > > > > > i) a friend both will have long life; term> > > > > > > ii) an enemy both will have a short life; term> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 4. venus has aspect from its friend Saturn and mercury has> aspect> > > > from its enemy Moon; husband will leave this world before his> wife;> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 5. mercury has aspect from its friend Sun, Rahu and venus> has> > > > aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; wife will leave this world> before> > > > her husband;> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 5. venus has aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu and> mercury has> > > > aspect from its friend; wife will leave this world before her> husband;> > > > not only death; separation by wife leaving the native can also be> there.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 6. mercury has aspect from its enemy Moon and venus has> aspect> > > > from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; husband will leave this world> before his> > > > wife; not only death; separation by husband leaving the native can> also> > > > be there.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > interpretation from my side;> > > > > > > here we are talking of horoscope of male native; in case of> female> > > > horoscope; substitute husband to wife and wife to husband.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > no opinion should be formed on this combinations alone;> other> > > > planets and their placement also matter. this has been quoted in> context> > > > of academic discussion only.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In> <\> %40><%40>,> "Bhaskar"> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear friends, Please read these lines properly and slowly.> > > > are dekhi> > > > > > > > zamaane ki yaari> > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > > > > > kya le ke milen ab duniya se, aansu ke siva kuch paas nahi> > > > > > > > ya phul hi phul the daaman men, ya kaanton ki bhi aas nahi> > > > > > > > matalab ki duniya hai saari> > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > vaqt hai maharabaan, aarazu hai javaan> > > > > > > > fikr kal ki karen, itani fursat kahaan> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > daur ye chalata rahe rang uchhalata rahe> > > > > > > > roop machalata rahe, jaam badalata rahe> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > raat bhar mahamaan hain bahaaren yahaan> > > > > > > > raat gar dhal gayi phir ye khushiyaan kahaan> > > > > > > > pal bhar ki khushiyaan hain saari> > > > > > > > badhane lagi beqaraari badhane lagi beqaraari> > > > > > > > are dekhi zamaane ki yaari> > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ud ja ud ja pyaase bhanvare, ras na milega kaaron mein> > > > > > > > kaagaz ke phul jahaan khilate hain, baith na un gulazaaro> mein> > > > > > > > naadan tamanna reti men, ummid ki kashti kheti hai> > > > > > > > ik haath se deti hai duniyaa, sau haathon se leti hai> > > > > > > > ye khel hai kab se jaari> > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari The above> lines> > > > from> > > > > > > > GuruDutts "Kagaz ke phool " is our actual reality of Life.> > > > When a> > > > > > > > child is born, he begins meeting new family members in his> > > > Life,> > > > > > > > Mother, Father, Maternal and Paternal Grandparents,> Uncles,> > > > Aunts etc.> > > > > > > > As he grows up he marries and gets one more family member> added> > > > to his> > > > > > > > Life. As time passes on , then begins the downward phase> of all> > > > these> > > > > > > > relatives whom he has met since childhood, who start> > > > disappearing in> > > > > > > > oblivion. Grandparents, Parents, Uncles, aunties , etc.> and> > > > finally the> > > > > > > > wife or the husband one has to also leave, and the man is> left> > > > all alone> > > > > > > > in the world, just like he had come all alone in this> world. The> > > > time> > > > > > > > begins now for him too, to leave the world. He is now left> alone> > > > with> > > > > > > > his, sins, paap-punya, fears and ambitions some met, some> > > > unconquered> > > > > > > > awaiting the dark day when he too will leave on the path> the> > > > others have> > > > > > > > left. The purpose of this mail is to ask the learned> members> > > > -What are> > > > > > > > the astrological rules for finding out, who will leave> first,> > > > the> > > > > > > > husband or the wife ? Hope some one can throw light on> this.> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi,> India. The information contained in this electronic message and any> attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the> addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged> information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not> disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender> immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.> > >> >> >> >> > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi,> India. The information contained in this electronic message and any> attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the> addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged> information. 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Dear Bhaskar ji;

You are absolutely right; the correct way of learning lalkitab is to understand

one concept at a time; once when attains some grasp; it relates automatically

and makes itself easily understood; Grammar is the most important yet most

ignored aspect of lalkitab. it's the Achille's heel of lalkitab system of

astrology. The reason is mixing all concepts in the learning stage in a one go.

It leads to confusion.

I will try to contribute in the best possible way from my side.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> I am not sure how Shri Kulbirji will do this, but preparing and understanding

aspects from a Lal Kitabs aspect chart will be very difficult, because we need

somebody to explain it like Kilbirji did it the last time.

>

> There are many types of aspects here like 1) Mutually supportive aspects 2)

Deceptive Square aspects 3) Friendly aspects 4) Joint house aspects 5) Routine

aspects 6) Deceptive square aspects etc.

>

> and to put this in a single Sketch Chart is all nigh impossible.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , " Chakraborty, PL "

<CHAKRABORTYP2@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbir-ji,

> >

> > Can you please put a Sketch showing the aspects ? It is easier to remeber

for some of us.

> >

> > Also as i understand, the aspect rules are a bit different. My question

is..

> >

> > 1st house aspects 7th house with full aspect. Does the 7th house aspects

1st house ?

> > Similarly does 10th house aspect 4th house ?

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Chakraborty

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

On Behalf Of Bhaskar

> > Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:27 PM

> >

> > Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari

....Aspects in Lalkitab

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Kulbir ji,

> >

> > Thank You. This is really very good knowledge.

> >

> > I request those interested in Lal Kitab to please copy and save this mail in

their Computers for future reference. Because Aspects in Lal KItab is a very

important factor without one cannot understand the whys of many results as well

as remedial measures.

> >

> > Thanks once again,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > --- In

<%40\

groups.com>, " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji and G.K Goel Ji;

> > >

> > >

> > > Aspects in Lalkitab

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To understand the concept of aspects the first condition is to

> > > understand the diagram representing the horoscope.

> > >

> > > Lalkitab follows the diagram which is generally known as North Indian

> > > Horoscope Chart or Diagram.

> > >

> > > According to Lalkitab ;-

> > >

> > > Horoscope represents a House with 8 Rooms (quarters);

> > >

> > > 4 Houses i.e. House no. 1,4,7 and 10 have 4 walls so they are in

> > > complete shape;

> > >

> > > Other 8 houses i.e. 2,3,5,6,8,9,11 and 12 have three walls each so they

> > > are incomplete; these houses are part of other houses or compliment each

> > > other to make 4 complete houses.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Planets in the houses are to be considered as light emitting sources,

> > > they emit the light in the house in which they are posited; the houses

> > > have portions/doors from which this light is emitted outside and can be

> > > transferred to other houses.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > House no 1 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 7 ;

> > >

> > > House no 4 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 10 ;

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > House no 3 casts 50 percent aspect upon house no. 9 and 11.

> > >

> > > House no 5 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 9 ;

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 ;

> > >

> > > House no 6 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12 ;

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Exceptions;-

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > i) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2 ;

> > >

> > > ii) House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6

> > > casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 2

> > > is carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.

> > >

> > > iii) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2; House no

> > > 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6 casts 25

> > > percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 8 is also

> > > carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Exceptions to special planets;

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 1. The luminaries Sun and Moon posited in house no 9 cast aspect

> > > upon house no.5.

> > > 2. Saturn posited in house no 2 is capable of casting aspect

> > > upon house no 2. (Metaphorically: - angry cobra when raises its

> > > hood, it's eyes are pointed backwards.)

> > > 3. Mercury posited in house no. 12 casts aspect upon house no 6.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Note;- Concept of reverse aspect is also there but this reverse aspect

> > > does not influence the native directly; it influences his relatives

> > > connected with the house; so reverse aspect is to be considered as a

> > > separate chapter/concept.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40\

groups.com>, " kulbir "

> > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji; i too read Shri G.K .GOEL's querry today; i will

> > > definitely send in a detailed note on aspects as per lalkitab including

> > > all dimensions.

> > > > With Respect

> > > > kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40\

groups.com>, " Bhaskar "

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry I just remembered that I have not acknowledged this mail .

> > > This is a good mail from your side as usual. Except that it may be

> > > difficult for one to understand who may not be well versant with the

> > > aspects of Lalkitab. If whenever you have the time to explain the

> > > aspects from which house which planet can aspect to which house and

> > > planet seated there, please do give us the inputs on the same.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

<%40\

groups.com>, " kulbir "

> > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji;

> > > > > > Lalkitab 1940 page 158-59;

> > > > > > How long will husband and wife remain together;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mard v Aurat ke jode ji umar;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Venus with aspect from ;

> > > > > > i) a friend - wife will outlive the husband's age.

> > > > > > ii) an enemy - husband will outlive the wife,s age.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Mercury with aspect from ;

> > > > > > i) a friend - Husband will outlive the wife's age.

> > > > > > ii) an enemy - wife will outlive the husband's age.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. venus, mercury together with aspect from;

> > > > > > i) a friend both will have long life; term

> > > > > > ii) an enemy both will have a short life; term

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. venus has aspect from its friend Saturn and mercury has aspect

> > > from its enemy Moon; husband will leave this world before his wife;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5. mercury has aspect from its friend Sun, Rahu and venus has

> > > aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; wife will leave this world before

> > > her husband;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5. venus has aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu and mercury has

> > > aspect from its friend; wife will leave this world before her husband;

> > > not only death; separation by wife leaving the native can also be there.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6. mercury has aspect from its enemy Moon and venus has aspect

> > > from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; husband will leave this world before his

> > > wife; not only death; separation by husband leaving the native can also

> > > be there.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > interpretation from my side;

> > > > > > here we are talking of horoscope of male native; in case of female

> > > horoscope; substitute husband to wife and wife to husband.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > no opinion should be formed on this combinations alone; other

> > > planets and their placement also matter. this has been quoted in context

> > > of academic discussion only.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

<%40\

groups.com>, " Bhaskar "

> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear friends, Please read these lines properly and slowly.

> > > are dekhi

> > > > > > > zamaane ki yaari

> > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > > > kya le ke milen ab duniya se, aansu ke siva kuch paas nahi

> > > > > > > ya phul hi phul the daaman men, ya kaanton ki bhi aas nahi

> > > > > > > matalab ki duniya hai saari

> > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vaqt hai maharabaan, aarazu hai javaan

> > > > > > > fikr kal ki karen, itani fursat kahaan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > daur ye chalata rahe rang uchhalata rahe

> > > > > > > roop machalata rahe, jaam badalata rahe

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > raat bhar mahamaan hain bahaaren yahaan

> > > > > > > raat gar dhal gayi phir ye khushiyaan kahaan

> > > > > > > pal bhar ki khushiyaan hain saari

> > > > > > > badhane lagi beqaraari badhane lagi beqaraari

> > > > > > > are dekhi zamaane ki yaari

> > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ud ja ud ja pyaase bhanvare, ras na milega kaaron mein

> > > > > > > kaagaz ke phul jahaan khilate hain, baith na un gulazaaro mein

> > > > > > > naadan tamanna reti men, ummid ki kashti kheti hai

> > > > > > > ik haath se deti hai duniyaa, sau haathon se leti hai

> > > > > > > ye khel hai kab se jaari

> > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari The above lines

> > > from

> > > > > > > GuruDutts " Kagaz ke phool " is our actual reality of Life.

> > > When a

> > > > > > > child is born, he begins meeting new family members in his

> > > Life,

> > > > > > > Mother, Father, Maternal and Paternal Grandparents, Uncles,

> > > Aunts etc.

> > > > > > > As he grows up he marries and gets one more family member added

> > > to his

> > > > > > > Life. As time passes on , then begins the downward phase of all

> > > these

> > > > > > > relatives whom he has met since childhood, who start

> > > disappearing in

> > > > > > > oblivion. Grandparents, Parents, Uncles, aunties , etc. and

> > > finally the

> > > > > > > wife or the husband one has to also leave, and the man is left

> > > all alone

> > > > > > > in the world, just like he had come all alone in this world. The

> > > time

> > > > > > > begins now for him too, to leave the world. He is now left alone

> > > with

> > > > > > > his, sins, paap-punya, fears and ambitions some met, some

> > > unconquered

> > > > > > > awaiting the dark day when he too will leave on the path the

> > > others have

> > > > > > > left. The purpose of this mail is to ask the learned members

> > > -What are

> > > > > > > the astrological rules for finding out, who will leave first,

> > > the

> > > > > > > husband or the wife ? Hope some one can throw light on this.

> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar Ji; How true? This is a genuine piece of advice;

The main factor mainly responsible for this state of affairs is;

Life Style in India (about abroad i don't know) was followed as such for

centuries with very little change. From 1950's till present life style has

undergone a tremendous change. This change in life style - family system; work

culture; daily routine; social system; vaastu etc have made it really difficult

to corelate lalkitab with the present scenario.

But Lalkitab Says that owing to vastness of the subject matter; it will cause

immense fatigue to the brain but nevertheless the results obtained by hard

labour vide lalkitab will be really miraculous;

Hard labour herein mentioned means really hard labour;

It surely takes a life time; no doubt about it.

Regards

Kulbir Bains

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Chakroborty ji and Vishnu ji,

>

> Bill Gates when he met God after his death, God said " You have done very

> good deed by bringing home the Computer to everyone including the common

> man, and it is a great utility to the man, but due to this the family

> members are now spending less time with each other and have become too

> mechanical and have less time for human relationship. So I do not know

> whether to despatch you to heaven or Hell. I will allow you to decide " .

> Bill gates said " Okay please allow me a visit to both heaven and Hell

> and then I will decide " . God took him to a place where he saw a scene of

> a beach and beautiful women lying all around the beach with inviting

> postures. He was happy, and God insisted him to look further and also

> have a look at the other option, but Bill gates had already decided

> quickly to opt for teh heavens, and he got it. After some passage of

> time, God visited heaven and asked him " How are you doing buddy " ? Bill

> Gates in agony replied " God where have you put me ? here people are

> being boiled in Hot Oil and are suffering . why did you put me here when

> I selected the option where there was a big beach with beautiful women

> all around. Why did you do this to me ? " God replied " I had asked you

> to look further but you did not listen. What you say was actually the

> Screen saver for the Hell " .

>

> Lalkitab is very good. But very difficult to study and understand. So be

> careful and cautious when you begin your studies that one will need lots

> of time and probably 2-3 years to understand it. This is my personal

> opinion.

>

> Prenatal Epoch, I personally feel one should not touch this unless one

> is well versant with mathematics and unless one is Expert in

> Astrological Lore. This also does not serve much purpose these days, I

> am sorry to say.

>

> I am not trying to dissuade, but just talking of experience that this is

> " Thedi kheer " and not easy to digest due to lots of " Radha hua doodh " .

> Some matters in astrology look very inviting, interesting and useful.

> But to arrive at the utility for which the matter represents, it may

> take half a Life time or few decades too.

>

> Think and then proceed for further studies.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

> , " Chakraborty, PL "

> <CHAKRABORTYP2@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar-ji,

> >

> > May be multiple sketches ??

> >

> > I had once joined a lalkitab group...run by Pt. Priya Bhusan-ji.

> >

> > There was a sketch which had indicated the aspects with an arrow mark.

> >

> > I think similar sketches might be available with Kulbir-ji too...

> probably in some

> > site. It will be good if such links are provided.

> >

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Chakraborty

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> On Behalf Of Bhaskar

> > Saturday, December 26, 2009 4:18 PM

> >

> > Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari

> ...Aspects in Lalkitab

> >

> >

> >

> > I am not sure how Shri Kulbirji will do this, but preparing and

> understanding aspects from a Lal Kitabs aspect chart will be very

> difficult, because we need somebody to explain it like Kilbirji did it

> the last time.

> >

> > There are many types of aspects here like 1) Mutually supportive

> aspects 2) Deceptive Square aspects 3) Friendly aspects 4) Joint house

> aspects 5) Routine aspects 6) Deceptive square aspects etc.

> >

> > and to put this in a single Sketch Chart is all nigh impossible.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > --- In

> <\

> %40>, " Chakraborty, PL " CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir-ji,

> > >

> > > Can you please put a Sketch showing the aspects ? It is easier to

> remeber for some of us.

> > >

> > > Also as i understand, the aspect rules are a bit different. My

> question is..

> > >

> > > 1st house aspects 7th house with full aspect. Does the 7th house

> aspects 1st house ?

> > > Similarly does 10th house aspect 4th house ?

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > Chakraborty

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > >

> <\

> %40>

> [ <ancient_indian_a\

> strology%40>] On Behalf Of Bhaskar

> > > Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:27 PM

> > > To:

> <\

> %40>

> > > Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari

> ...Aspects in Lalkitab

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > >

> > > Thank You. This is really very good knowledge.

> > >

> > > I request those interested in Lal Kitab to please copy and save this

> mail in their Computers for future reference. Because Aspects in Lal

> KItab is a very important factor without one cannot understand the whys

> of many results as well as remedial measures.

> > >

> > > Thanks once again,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > --- In

> <\

> %40><%40>,

> " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji and G.K Goel Ji;

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Aspects in Lalkitab

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To understand the concept of aspects the first condition is to

> > > > understand the diagram representing the horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > Lalkitab follows the diagram which is generally known as North

> Indian

> > > > Horoscope Chart or Diagram.

> > > >

> > > > According to Lalkitab ;-

> > > >

> > > > Horoscope represents a House with 8 Rooms (quarters);

> > > >

> > > > 4 Houses i.e. House no. 1,4,7 and 10 have 4 walls so they are in

> > > > complete shape;

> > > >

> > > > Other 8 houses i.e. 2,3,5,6,8,9,11 and 12 have three walls each so

> they

> > > > are incomplete; these houses are part of other houses or

> compliment each

> > > > other to make 4 complete houses.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Planets in the houses are to be considered as light emitting

> sources,

> > > > they emit the light in the house in which they are posited; the

> houses

> > > > have portions/doors from which this light is emitted outside and

> can be

> > > > transferred to other houses.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > House no 1 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 7 ;

> > > >

> > > > House no 4 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 10 ;

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > House no 3 casts 50 percent aspect upon house no. 9 and 11.

> > > >

> > > > House no 5 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 9 ;

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 ;

> > > >

> > > > House no 6 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12 ;

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Exceptions;-

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > i) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2 ;

> > > >

> > > > ii) House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house

> no 6

> > > > casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house

> no 2

> > > > is carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.

> > > >

> > > > iii) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2;

> House no

> > > > 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6 casts 25

> > > > percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 8 is

> also

> > > > carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Exceptions to special planets;

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 1. The luminaries Sun and Moon posited in house no 9 cast aspect

> > > > upon house no.5.

> > > > 2. Saturn posited in house no 2 is capable of casting aspect

> > > > upon house no 2. (Metaphorically: - angry cobra when raises its

> > > > hood, it's eyes are pointed backwards.)

> > > > 3. Mercury posited in house no. 12 casts aspect upon house no 6.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Note;- Concept of reverse aspect is also there but this reverse

> aspect

> > > > does not influence the native directly; it influences his

> relatives

> > > > connected with the house; so reverse aspect is to be considered as

> a

> > > > separate chapter/concept.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> <\

> %40><%40>,

> " kulbir "

> > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji; i too read Shri G.K .GOEL's querry today; i

> will

> > > > definitely send in a detailed note on aspects as per lalkitab

> including

> > > > all dimensions.

> > > > > With Respect

> > > > > kulbir Bains.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> <\

> %40><%40>,

> " Bhaskar "

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry I just remembered that I have not acknowledged this mail

> .

> > > > This is a good mail from your side as usual. Except that it may be

> > > > difficult for one to understand who may not be well versant with

> the

> > > > aspects of Lalkitab. If whenever you have the time to explain the

> > > > aspects from which house which planet can aspect to which house

> and

> > > > planet seated there, please do give us the inputs on the same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> <\

> %40><%40>,

> " kulbir "

> > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji;

> > > > > > > Lalkitab 1940 page 158-59;

> > > > > > > How long will husband and wife remain together;

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mard v Aurat ke jode ji umar;

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. Venus with aspect from ;

> > > > > > > i) a friend - wife will outlive the husband's age.

> > > > > > > ii) an enemy - husband will outlive the wife,s age.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Mercury with aspect from ;

> > > > > > > i) a friend - Husband will outlive the wife's age.

> > > > > > > ii) an enemy - wife will outlive the husband's age.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. venus, mercury together with aspect from;

> > > > > > > i) a friend both will have long life; term

> > > > > > > ii) an enemy both will have a short life; term

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4. venus has aspect from its friend Saturn and mercury has

> aspect

> > > > from its enemy Moon; husband will leave this world before his

> wife;

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5. mercury has aspect from its friend Sun, Rahu and venus

> has

> > > > aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; wife will leave this world

> before

> > > > her husband;

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5. venus has aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu and

> mercury has

> > > > aspect from its friend; wife will leave this world before her

> husband;

> > > > not only death; separation by wife leaving the native can also be

> there.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 6. mercury has aspect from its enemy Moon and venus has

> aspect

> > > > from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; husband will leave this world

> before his

> > > > wife; not only death; separation by husband leaving the native can

> also

> > > > be there.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > interpretation from my side;

> > > > > > > here we are talking of horoscope of male native; in case of

> female

> > > > horoscope; substitute husband to wife and wife to husband.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > no opinion should be formed on this combinations alone;

> other

> > > > planets and their placement also matter. this has been quoted in

> context

> > > > of academic discussion only.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> <\

> %40><%40>,

> " Bhaskar "

> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear friends, Please read these lines properly and slowly.

> > > > are dekhi

> > > > > > > > zamaane ki yaari

> > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > > > > kya le ke milen ab duniya se, aansu ke siva kuch paas nahi

> > > > > > > > ya phul hi phul the daaman men, ya kaanton ki bhi aas nahi

> > > > > > > > matalab ki duniya hai saari

> > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vaqt hai maharabaan, aarazu hai javaan

> > > > > > > > fikr kal ki karen, itani fursat kahaan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > daur ye chalata rahe rang uchhalata rahe

> > > > > > > > roop machalata rahe, jaam badalata rahe

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > raat bhar mahamaan hain bahaaren yahaan

> > > > > > > > raat gar dhal gayi phir ye khushiyaan kahaan

> > > > > > > > pal bhar ki khushiyaan hain saari

> > > > > > > > badhane lagi beqaraari badhane lagi beqaraari

> > > > > > > > are dekhi zamaane ki yaari

> > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ud ja ud ja pyaase bhanvare, ras na milega kaaron mein

> > > > > > > > kaagaz ke phul jahaan khilate hain, baith na un gulazaaro

> mein

> > > > > > > > naadan tamanna reti men, ummid ki kashti kheti hai

> > > > > > > > ik haath se deti hai duniyaa, sau haathon se leti hai

> > > > > > > > ye khel hai kab se jaari

> > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari The above

> lines

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > GuruDutts " Kagaz ke phool " is our actual reality of Life.

> > > > When a

> > > > > > > > child is born, he begins meeting new family members in his

> > > > Life,

> > > > > > > > Mother, Father, Maternal and Paternal Grandparents,

> Uncles,

> > > > Aunts etc.

> > > > > > > > As he grows up he marries and gets one more family member

> added

> > > > to his

> > > > > > > > Life. As time passes on , then begins the downward phase

> of all

> > > > these

> > > > > > > > relatives whom he has met since childhood, who start

> > > > disappearing in

> > > > > > > > oblivion. Grandparents, Parents, Uncles, aunties , etc.

> and

> > > > finally the

> > > > > > > > wife or the husband one has to also leave, and the man is

> left

> > > > all alone

> > > > > > > > in the world, just like he had come all alone in this

> world. The

> > > > time

> > > > > > > > begins now for him too, to leave the world. He is now left

> alone

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > his, sins, paap-punya, fears and ambitions some met, some

> > > > unconquered

> > > > > > > > awaiting the dark day when he too will leave on the path

> the

> > > > others have

> > > > > > > > left. The purpose of this mail is to ask the learned

> members

> > > > -What are

> > > > > > > > the astrological rules for finding out, who will leave

> first,

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > husband or the wife ? Hope some one can throw light on

> this.

> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir ji,

 

The Life style has changed - Yes. It is advantageous as well as of disadvantage

too. The astrologer has not much time to study or do research work these days.

In the limited hours available to him, he has to earn as much as he can. To

impress whom ? His own wife and children. Because if he cant impress them , then

he cannot face God. And the most unfortunate part is that, man is mostly never

able to impress his own wife and children, for whom he spends his own Life

working like a donkey and being faithful like a Dog.

These days , one does not care for intellectual powers or wisness or maturity

for one wife to consider her husband as Successful and good. The amount he

brings home every month is the indicator of his wiseness and his maturity.

(Please now, the women members here, we are talking in general, and not about

you, or everybody). So we were talking about the less time one has to study.

Yes,therefore any smart wordly person will spend every minute in persual of

money, and not in persual of reaching the zenith of his subject of study. The

new Life style where there are thousands of items available to buy in the nearby

Mall, and one must equip himself to be a buyer there, so all his energies are

diverted towards eqipping himself in this direction rather than making a balance

between study and Earnings.

 

Now Lalkitab is certainly applicabnle to every Yuga, and I do not accept that

its not applicable for today.

 

The advantage of the new Life Style is that Lalkitab offers such easy Upayes

(Remedies) but so convincing looking, that the person listening to these gets

interested and is ready to perform these where no money is required to be spent

or no time consuming or tedious remedies are suggested. In todays Life Style,

who has teh time to go for long Pooja Path, Japa or Tapa, or time consuming

Poojas, Homas or Yagnas etc. so when one offers a LalKitaba remedy it is taken

in, immediately like water taken by a sponge.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " kulbir " <kulbirbains

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar Ji; How true? This is a genuine piece of advice;

> The main factor mainly responsible for this state of affairs is;

> Life Style in India (about abroad i don't know) was followed as such for

centuries with very little change. From 1950's till present life style has

undergone a tremendous change. This change in life style - family system; work

culture; daily routine; social system; vaastu etc have made it really difficult

to corelate lalkitab with the present scenario.

> But Lalkitab Says that owing to vastness of the subject matter; it will cause

immense fatigue to the brain but nevertheless the results obtained by hard

labour vide lalkitab will be really miraculous;

> Hard labour herein mentioned means really hard labour;

> It surely takes a life time; no doubt about it.

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Chakroborty ji and Vishnu ji,

> >

> > Bill Gates when he met God after his death, God said " You have done very

> > good deed by bringing home the Computer to everyone including the common

> > man, and it is a great utility to the man, but due to this the family

> > members are now spending less time with each other and have become too

> > mechanical and have less time for human relationship. So I do not know

> > whether to despatch you to heaven or Hell. I will allow you to decide " .

> > Bill gates said " Okay please allow me a visit to both heaven and Hell

> > and then I will decide " . God took him to a place where he saw a scene of

> > a beach and beautiful women lying all around the beach with inviting

> > postures. He was happy, and God insisted him to look further and also

> > have a look at the other option, but Bill gates had already decided

> > quickly to opt for teh heavens, and he got it. After some passage of

> > time, God visited heaven and asked him " How are you doing buddy " ? Bill

> > Gates in agony replied " God where have you put me ? here people are

> > being boiled in Hot Oil and are suffering . why did you put me here when

> > I selected the option where there was a big beach with beautiful women

> > all around. Why did you do this to me ? " God replied " I had asked you

> > to look further but you did not listen. What you say was actually the

> > Screen saver for the Hell " .

> >

> > Lalkitab is very good. But very difficult to study and understand. So be

> > careful and cautious when you begin your studies that one will need lots

> > of time and probably 2-3 years to understand it. This is my personal

> > opinion.

> >

> > Prenatal Epoch, I personally feel one should not touch this unless one

> > is well versant with mathematics and unless one is Expert in

> > Astrological Lore. This also does not serve much purpose these days, I

> > am sorry to say.

> >

> > I am not trying to dissuade, but just talking of experience that this is

> > " Thedi kheer " and not easy to digest due to lots of " Radha hua doodh " .

> > Some matters in astrology look very inviting, interesting and useful.

> > But to arrive at the utility for which the matter represents, it may

> > take half a Life time or few decades too.

> >

> > Think and then proceed for further studies.

> >

> > best wishes,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Chakraborty, PL "

> > <CHAKRABORTYP2@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar-ji,

> > >

> > > May be multiple sketches ??

> > >

> > > I had once joined a lalkitab group...run by Pt. Priya Bhusan-ji.

> > >

> > > There was a sketch which had indicated the aspects with an arrow mark.

> > >

> > > I think similar sketches might be available with Kulbir-ji too...

> > probably in some

> > > site. It will be good if such links are provided.

> > >

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > Chakraborty

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > >

> > On Behalf Of Bhaskar

> > > Saturday, December 26, 2009 4:18 PM

> > >

> > > Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari

> > ...Aspects in Lalkitab

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I am not sure how Shri Kulbirji will do this, but preparing and

> > understanding aspects from a Lal Kitabs aspect chart will be very

> > difficult, because we need somebody to explain it like Kilbirji did it

> > the last time.

> > >

> > > There are many types of aspects here like 1) Mutually supportive

> > aspects 2) Deceptive Square aspects 3) Friendly aspects 4) Joint house

> > aspects 5) Routine aspects 6) Deceptive square aspects etc.

> > >

> > > and to put this in a single Sketch Chart is all nigh impossible.

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > --- In

> > <\

> > %40>, " Chakraborty, PL " CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir-ji,

> > > >

> > > > Can you please put a Sketch showing the aspects ? It is easier to

> > remeber for some of us.

> > > >

> > > > Also as i understand, the aspect rules are a bit different. My

> > question is..

> > > >

> > > > 1st house aspects 7th house with full aspect. Does the 7th house

> > aspects 1st house ?

> > > > Similarly does 10th house aspect 4th house ?

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > Chakraborty

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > >

> > <\

> > %40>

> > [ <ancient_indian_a\

> > strology%40>] On Behalf Of Bhaskar

> > > > Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:27 PM

> > > > To:

> > <\

> > %40>

> > > > Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari

> > ...Aspects in Lalkitab

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thank You. This is really very good knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > I request those interested in Lal Kitab to please copy and save this

> > mail in their Computers for future reference. Because Aspects in Lal

> > KItab is a very important factor without one cannot understand the whys

> > of many results as well as remedial measures.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks once again,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > <\

> > %40><%40>,

> > " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji and G.K Goel Ji;

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Aspects in Lalkitab

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > To understand the concept of aspects the first condition is to

> > > > > understand the diagram representing the horoscope.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lalkitab follows the diagram which is generally known as North

> > Indian

> > > > > Horoscope Chart or Diagram.

> > > > >

> > > > > According to Lalkitab ;-

> > > > >

> > > > > Horoscope represents a House with 8 Rooms (quarters);

> > > > >

> > > > > 4 Houses i.e. House no. 1,4,7 and 10 have 4 walls so they are in

> > > > > complete shape;

> > > > >

> > > > > Other 8 houses i.e. 2,3,5,6,8,9,11 and 12 have three walls each so

> > they

> > > > > are incomplete; these houses are part of other houses or

> > compliment each

> > > > > other to make 4 complete houses.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Planets in the houses are to be considered as light emitting

> > sources,

> > > > > they emit the light in the house in which they are posited; the

> > houses

> > > > > have portions/doors from which this light is emitted outside and

> > can be

> > > > > transferred to other houses.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > House no 1 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 7 ;

> > > > >

> > > > > House no 4 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 10 ;

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > House no 3 casts 50 percent aspect upon house no. 9 and 11.

> > > > >

> > > > > House no 5 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 9 ;

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 ;

> > > > >

> > > > > House no 6 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12 ;

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Exceptions;-

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > i) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2 ;

> > > > >

> > > > > ii) House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house

> > no 6

> > > > > casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house

> > no 2

> > > > > is carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.

> > > > >

> > > > > iii) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2;

> > House no

> > > > > 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6 casts 25

> > > > > percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 8 is

> > also

> > > > > carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Exceptions to special planets;

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. The luminaries Sun and Moon posited in house no 9 cast aspect

> > > > > upon house no.5.

> > > > > 2. Saturn posited in house no 2 is capable of casting aspect

> > > > > upon house no 2. (Metaphorically: - angry cobra when raises its

> > > > > hood, it's eyes are pointed backwards.)

> > > > > 3. Mercury posited in house no. 12 casts aspect upon house no 6.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Note;- Concept of reverse aspect is also there but this reverse

> > aspect

> > > > > does not influence the native directly; it influences his

> > relatives

> > > > > connected with the house; so reverse aspect is to be considered as

> > a

> > > > > separate chapter/concept.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > <\

> > %40><%40>,

> > " kulbir "

> > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji; i too read Shri G.K .GOEL's querry today; i

> > will

> > > > > definitely send in a detailed note on aspects as per lalkitab

> > including

> > > > > all dimensions.

> > > > > > With Respect

> > > > > > kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > <\

> > %40><%40>,

> > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sorry I just remembered that I have not acknowledged this mail

> > .

> > > > > This is a good mail from your side as usual. Except that it may be

> > > > > difficult for one to understand who may not be well versant with

> > the

> > > > > aspects of Lalkitab. If whenever you have the time to explain the

> > > > > aspects from which house which planet can aspect to which house

> > and

> > > > > planet seated there, please do give us the inputs on the same.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > <\

> > %40><%40>,

> > " kulbir "

> > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji;

> > > > > > > > Lalkitab 1940 page 158-59;

> > > > > > > > How long will husband and wife remain together;

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mard v Aurat ke jode ji umar;

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. Venus with aspect from ;

> > > > > > > > i) a friend - wife will outlive the husband's age.

> > > > > > > > ii) an enemy - husband will outlive the wife,s age.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Mercury with aspect from ;

> > > > > > > > i) a friend - Husband will outlive the wife's age.

> > > > > > > > ii) an enemy - wife will outlive the husband's age.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. venus, mercury together with aspect from;

> > > > > > > > i) a friend both will have long life; term

> > > > > > > > ii) an enemy both will have a short life; term

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4. venus has aspect from its friend Saturn and mercury has

> > aspect

> > > > > from its enemy Moon; husband will leave this world before his

> > wife;

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5. mercury has aspect from its friend Sun, Rahu and venus

> > has

> > > > > aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; wife will leave this world

> > before

> > > > > her husband;

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5. venus has aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu and

> > mercury has

> > > > > aspect from its friend; wife will leave this world before her

> > husband;

> > > > > not only death; separation by wife leaving the native can also be

> > there.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 6. mercury has aspect from its enemy Moon and venus has

> > aspect

> > > > > from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; husband will leave this world

> > before his

> > > > > wife; not only death; separation by husband leaving the native can

> > also

> > > > > be there.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > interpretation from my side;

> > > > > > > > here we are talking of horoscope of male native; in case of

> > female

> > > > > horoscope; substitute husband to wife and wife to husband.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > no opinion should be formed on this combinations alone;

> > other

> > > > > planets and their placement also matter. this has been quoted in

> > context

> > > > > of academic discussion only.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > <\

> > %40><%40>,

> > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear friends, Please read these lines properly and slowly.

> > > > > are dekhi

> > > > > > > > > zamaane ki yaari

> > > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > > > > > kya le ke milen ab duniya se, aansu ke siva kuch paas nahi

> > > > > > > > > ya phul hi phul the daaman men, ya kaanton ki bhi aas nahi

> > > > > > > > > matalab ki duniya hai saari

> > > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vaqt hai maharabaan, aarazu hai javaan

> > > > > > > > > fikr kal ki karen, itani fursat kahaan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > daur ye chalata rahe rang uchhalata rahe

> > > > > > > > > roop machalata rahe, jaam badalata rahe

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > raat bhar mahamaan hain bahaaren yahaan

> > > > > > > > > raat gar dhal gayi phir ye khushiyaan kahaan

> > > > > > > > > pal bhar ki khushiyaan hain saari

> > > > > > > > > badhane lagi beqaraari badhane lagi beqaraari

> > > > > > > > > are dekhi zamaane ki yaari

> > > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ud ja ud ja pyaase bhanvare, ras na milega kaaron mein

> > > > > > > > > kaagaz ke phul jahaan khilate hain, baith na un gulazaaro

> > mein

> > > > > > > > > naadan tamanna reti men, ummid ki kashti kheti hai

> > > > > > > > > ik haath se deti hai duniyaa, sau haathon se leti hai

> > > > > > > > > ye khel hai kab se jaari

> > > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari The above

> > lines

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > GuruDutts " Kagaz ke phool " is our actual reality of Life.

> > > > > When a

> > > > > > > > > child is born, he begins meeting new family members in his

> > > > > Life,

> > > > > > > > > Mother, Father, Maternal and Paternal Grandparents,

> > Uncles,

> > > > > Aunts etc.

> > > > > > > > > As he grows up he marries and gets one more family member

> > added

> > > > > to his

> > > > > > > > > Life. As time passes on , then begins the downward phase

> > of all

> > > > > these

> > > > > > > > > relatives whom he has met since childhood, who start

> > > > > disappearing in

> > > > > > > > > oblivion. Grandparents, Parents, Uncles, aunties , etc.

> > and

> > > > > finally the

> > > > > > > > > wife or the husband one has to also leave, and the man is

> > left

> > > > > all alone

> > > > > > > > > in the world, just like he had come all alone in this

> > world. The

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > begins now for him too, to leave the world. He is now left

> > alone

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > his, sins, paap-punya, fears and ambitions some met, some

> > > > > unconquered

> > > > > > > > > awaiting the dark day when he too will leave on the path

> > the

> > > > > others have

> > > > > > > > > left. The purpose of this mail is to ask the learned

> > members

> > > > > -What are

> > > > > > > > > the astrological rules for finding out, who will leave

> > first,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > husband or the wife ? Hope some one can throw light on

> > this.

> > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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Respected Bhaskar Ji; you are a wonderful teacher. At least you put me on the

right track. i shall remain always indebted to you.

Regards

Kulbir Bains

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir ji,

>

> The Life style has changed - Yes. It is advantageous as well as of

disadvantage too. The astrologer has not much time to study or do research work

these days. In the limited hours available to him, he has to earn as much as he

can. To impress whom ? His own wife and children. Because if he cant impress

them , then he cannot face God. And the most unfortunate part is that, man is

mostly never able to impress his own wife and children, for whom he spends his

own Life working like a donkey and being faithful like a Dog.

> These days , one does not care for intellectual powers or wisness or maturity

for one wife to consider her husband as Successful and good. The amount he

brings home every month is the indicator of his wiseness and his maturity.

(Please now, the women members here, we are talking in general, and not about

you, or everybody). So we were talking about the less time one has to study.

Yes,therefore any smart wordly person will spend every minute in persual of

money, and not in persual of reaching the zenith of his subject of study. The

new Life style where there are thousands of items available to buy in the nearby

Mall, and one must equip himself to be a buyer there, so all his energies are

diverted towards eqipping himself in this direction rather than making a balance

between study and Earnings.

>

> Now Lalkitab is certainly applicabnle to every Yuga, and I do not accept that

its not applicable for today.

>

> The advantage of the new Life Style is that Lalkitab offers such easy Upayes

(Remedies) but so convincing looking, that the person listening to these gets

interested and is ready to perform these where no money is required to be spent

or no time consuming or tedious remedies are suggested. In todays Life Style,

who has teh time to go for long Pooja Path, Japa or Tapa, or time consuming

Poojas, Homas or Yagnas etc. so when one offers a LalKitaba remedy it is taken

in, immediately like water taken by a sponge.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

, " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Ji; How true? This is a genuine piece of advice;

> > The main factor mainly responsible for this state of affairs is;

> > Life Style in India (about abroad i don't know) was followed as such for

centuries with very little change. From 1950's till present life style has

undergone a tremendous change. This change in life style - family system; work

culture; daily routine; social system; vaastu etc have made it really difficult

to corelate lalkitab with the present scenario.

> > But Lalkitab Says that owing to vastness of the subject matter; it will

cause immense fatigue to the brain but nevertheless the results obtained by hard

labour vide lalkitab will be really miraculous;

> > Hard labour herein mentioned means really hard labour;

> > It surely takes a life time; no doubt about it.

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Chakroborty ji and Vishnu ji,

> > >

> > > Bill Gates when he met God after his death, God said " You have done very

> > > good deed by bringing home the Computer to everyone including the common

> > > man, and it is a great utility to the man, but due to this the family

> > > members are now spending less time with each other and have become too

> > > mechanical and have less time for human relationship. So I do not know

> > > whether to despatch you to heaven or Hell. I will allow you to decide " .

> > > Bill gates said " Okay please allow me a visit to both heaven and Hell

> > > and then I will decide " . God took him to a place where he saw a scene of

> > > a beach and beautiful women lying all around the beach with inviting

> > > postures. He was happy, and God insisted him to look further and also

> > > have a look at the other option, but Bill gates had already decided

> > > quickly to opt for teh heavens, and he got it. After some passage of

> > > time, God visited heaven and asked him " How are you doing buddy " ? Bill

> > > Gates in agony replied " God where have you put me ? here people are

> > > being boiled in Hot Oil and are suffering . why did you put me here when

> > > I selected the option where there was a big beach with beautiful women

> > > all around. Why did you do this to me ? " God replied " I had asked you

> > > to look further but you did not listen. What you say was actually the

> > > Screen saver for the Hell " .

> > >

> > > Lalkitab is very good. But very difficult to study and understand. So be

> > > careful and cautious when you begin your studies that one will need lots

> > > of time and probably 2-3 years to understand it. This is my personal

> > > opinion.

> > >

> > > Prenatal Epoch, I personally feel one should not touch this unless one

> > > is well versant with mathematics and unless one is Expert in

> > > Astrological Lore. This also does not serve much purpose these days, I

> > > am sorry to say.

> > >

> > > I am not trying to dissuade, but just talking of experience that this is

> > > " Thedi kheer " and not easy to digest due to lots of " Radha hua doodh " .

> > > Some matters in astrology look very inviting, interesting and useful.

> > > But to arrive at the utility for which the matter represents, it may

> > > take half a Life time or few decades too.

> > >

> > > Think and then proceed for further studies.

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Chakraborty, PL "

> > > <CHAKRABORTYP2@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar-ji,

> > > >

> > > > May be multiple sketches ??

> > > >

> > > > I had once joined a lalkitab group...run by Pt. Priya Bhusan-ji.

> > > >

> > > > There was a sketch which had indicated the aspects with an arrow mark.

> > > >

> > > > I think similar sketches might be available with Kulbir-ji too...

> > > probably in some

> > > > site. It will be good if such links are provided.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > Chakraborty

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > >

> > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar

> > > > Saturday, December 26, 2009 4:18 PM

> > > >

> > > > Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari

> > > ...Aspects in Lalkitab

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I am not sure how Shri Kulbirji will do this, but preparing and

> > > understanding aspects from a Lal Kitabs aspect chart will be very

> > > difficult, because we need somebody to explain it like Kilbirji did it

> > > the last time.

> > > >

> > > > There are many types of aspects here like 1) Mutually supportive

> > > aspects 2) Deceptive Square aspects 3) Friendly aspects 4) Joint house

> > > aspects 5) Routine aspects 6) Deceptive square aspects etc.

> > > >

> > > > and to put this in a single Sketch Chart is all nigh impossible.

> > > >

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > > <\

> > > %40>, " Chakraborty, PL " CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbir-ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please put a Sketch showing the aspects ? It is easier to

> > > remeber for some of us.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also as i understand, the aspect rules are a bit different. My

> > > question is..

> > > > >

> > > > > 1st house aspects 7th house with full aspect. Does the 7th house

> > > aspects 1st house ?

> > > > > Similarly does 10th house aspect 4th house ?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Chakraborty

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > >

> > > <\

> > > %40>

> > > [ <ancient_indian_a\

> > > strology%40>] On Behalf Of Bhaskar

> > > > > Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:27 PM

> > > > > To:

> > > <\

> > > %40>

> > > > > Re: Bicchade sabhi baari baari

> > > ...Aspects in Lalkitab

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank You. This is really very good knowledge.

> > > > >

> > > > > I request those interested in Lal Kitab to please copy and save this

> > > mail in their Computers for future reference. Because Aspects in Lal

> > > KItab is a very important factor without one cannot understand the whys

> > > of many results as well as remedial measures.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks once again,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > <\

> > > %40><%40>,

> > > " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji and G.K Goel Ji;

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Aspects in Lalkitab

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To understand the concept of aspects the first condition is to

> > > > > > understand the diagram representing the horoscope.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lalkitab follows the diagram which is generally known as North

> > > Indian

> > > > > > Horoscope Chart or Diagram.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > According to Lalkitab ;-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Horoscope represents a House with 8 Rooms (quarters);

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4 Houses i.e. House no. 1,4,7 and 10 have 4 walls so they are in

> > > > > > complete shape;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Other 8 houses i.e. 2,3,5,6,8,9,11 and 12 have three walls each so

> > > they

> > > > > > are incomplete; these houses are part of other houses or

> > > compliment each

> > > > > > other to make 4 complete houses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Planets in the houses are to be considered as light emitting

> > > sources,

> > > > > > they emit the light in the house in which they are posited; the

> > > houses

> > > > > > have portions/doors from which this light is emitted outside and

> > > can be

> > > > > > transferred to other houses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > House no 1 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 7 ;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > House no 4 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 10 ;

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > House no 3 casts 50 percent aspect upon house no. 9 and 11.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > House no 5 casts 100 percent aspect upon house no 9 ;

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 ;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > House no 6 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12 ;

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Exceptions;-

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2 ;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ii) House no 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house

> > > no 6

> > > > > > casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house

> > > no 2

> > > > > > is carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > iii) House no 8 (special case ) casts aspect upon house no 2;

> > > House no

> > > > > > 2 casts 25 percent aspect upon house no 6 and house no 6 casts 25

> > > > > > percent aspect upon house no 12; this way effect of house no 8 is

> > > also

> > > > > > carried on to house no 12 by 25 percent.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Exceptions to special planets;

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. The luminaries Sun and Moon posited in house no 9 cast aspect

> > > > > > upon house no.5.

> > > > > > 2. Saturn posited in house no 2 is capable of casting aspect

> > > > > > upon house no 2. (Metaphorically: - angry cobra when raises its

> > > > > > hood, it's eyes are pointed backwards.)

> > > > > > 3. Mercury posited in house no. 12 casts aspect upon house no 6.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Note;- Concept of reverse aspect is also there but this reverse

> > > aspect

> > > > > > does not influence the native directly; it influences his

> > > relatives

> > > > > > connected with the house; so reverse aspect is to be considered as

> > > a

> > > > > > separate chapter/concept.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > <\

> > > %40><%40>,

> > > " kulbir "

> > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji; i too read Shri G.K .GOEL's querry today; i

> > > will

> > > > > > definitely send in a detailed note on aspects as per lalkitab

> > > including

> > > > > > all dimensions.

> > > > > > > With Respect

> > > > > > > kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > <\

> > > %40><%40>,

> > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sorry I just remembered that I have not acknowledged this mail

> > > .

> > > > > > This is a good mail from your side as usual. Except that it may be

> > > > > > difficult for one to understand who may not be well versant with

> > > the

> > > > > > aspects of Lalkitab. If whenever you have the time to explain the

> > > > > > aspects from which house which planet can aspect to which house

> > > and

> > > > > > planet seated there, please do give us the inputs on the same.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > <\

> > > %40><%40>,

> > > " kulbir "

> > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji;

> > > > > > > > > Lalkitab 1940 page 158-59;

> > > > > > > > > How long will husband and wife remain together;

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mard v Aurat ke jode ji umar;

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. Venus with aspect from ;

> > > > > > > > > i) a friend - wife will outlive the husband's age.

> > > > > > > > > ii) an enemy - husband will outlive the wife,s age.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. Mercury with aspect from ;

> > > > > > > > > i) a friend - Husband will outlive the wife's age.

> > > > > > > > > ii) an enemy - wife will outlive the husband's age.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. venus, mercury together with aspect from;

> > > > > > > > > i) a friend both will have long life; term

> > > > > > > > > ii) an enemy both will have a short life; term

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4. venus has aspect from its friend Saturn and mercury has

> > > aspect

> > > > > > from its enemy Moon; husband will leave this world before his

> > > wife;

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5. mercury has aspect from its friend Sun, Rahu and venus

> > > has

> > > > > > aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; wife will leave this world

> > > before

> > > > > > her husband;

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5. venus has aspect from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu and

> > > mercury has

> > > > > > aspect from its friend; wife will leave this world before her

> > > husband;

> > > > > > not only death; separation by wife leaving the native can also be

> > > there.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6. mercury has aspect from its enemy Moon and venus has

> > > aspect

> > > > > > from its enemy Sun, Moon, Rahu; husband will leave this world

> > > before his

> > > > > > wife; not only death; separation by husband leaving the native can

> > > also

> > > > > > be there.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > interpretation from my side;

> > > > > > > > > here we are talking of horoscope of male native; in case of

> > > female

> > > > > > horoscope; substitute husband to wife and wife to husband.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > no opinion should be formed on this combinations alone;

> > > other

> > > > > > planets and their placement also matter. this has been quoted in

> > > context

> > > > > > of academic discussion only.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > <\

> > > %40><%40>,

> > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, Please read these lines properly and slowly.

> > > > > > are dekhi

> > > > > > > > > > zamaane ki yaari

> > > > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > > > > > > kya le ke milen ab duniya se, aansu ke siva kuch paas nahi

> > > > > > > > > > ya phul hi phul the daaman men, ya kaanton ki bhi aas nahi

> > > > > > > > > > matalab ki duniya hai saari

> > > > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vaqt hai maharabaan, aarazu hai javaan

> > > > > > > > > > fikr kal ki karen, itani fursat kahaan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > daur ye chalata rahe rang uchhalata rahe

> > > > > > > > > > roop machalata rahe, jaam badalata rahe

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > raat bhar mahamaan hain bahaaren yahaan

> > > > > > > > > > raat gar dhal gayi phir ye khushiyaan kahaan

> > > > > > > > > > pal bhar ki khushiyaan hain saari

> > > > > > > > > > badhane lagi beqaraari badhane lagi beqaraari

> > > > > > > > > > are dekhi zamaane ki yaari

> > > > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ud ja ud ja pyaase bhanvare, ras na milega kaaron mein

> > > > > > > > > > kaagaz ke phul jahaan khilate hain, baith na un gulazaaro

> > > mein

> > > > > > > > > > naadan tamanna reti men, ummid ki kashti kheti hai

> > > > > > > > > > ik haath se deti hai duniyaa, sau haathon se leti hai

> > > > > > > > > > ye khel hai kab se jaari

> > > > > > > > > > bichhade sabhee, bichhade sabhi baari baari The above

> > > lines

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > GuruDutts " Kagaz ke phool " is our actual reality of Life.

> > > > > > When a

> > > > > > > > > > child is born, he begins meeting new family members in his

> > > > > > Life,

> > > > > > > > > > Mother, Father, Maternal and Paternal Grandparents,

> > > Uncles,

> > > > > > Aunts etc.

> > > > > > > > > > As he grows up he marries and gets one more family member

> > > added

> > > > > > to his

> > > > > > > > > > Life. As time passes on , then begins the downward phase

> > > of all

> > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > > > relatives whom he has met since childhood, who start

> > > > > > disappearing in

> > > > > > > > > > oblivion. Grandparents, Parents, Uncles, aunties , etc.

> > > and

> > > > > > finally the

> > > > > > > > > > wife or the husband one has to also leave, and the man is

> > > left

> > > > > > all alone

> > > > > > > > > > in the world, just like he had come all alone in this

> > > world. The

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > begins now for him too, to leave the world. He is now left

> > > alone

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > his, sins, paap-punya, fears and ambitions some met, some

> > > > > > unconquered

> > > > > > > > > > awaiting the dark day when he too will leave on the path

> > > the

> > > > > > others have

> > > > > > > > > > left. The purpose of this mail is to ask the learned

> > > members

> > > > > > -What are

> > > > > > > > > > the astrological rules for finding out, who will leave

> > > first,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > husband or the wife ? Hope some one can throw light on

> > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi,

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> > > information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not

> > > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender

> > > immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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