Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Dear Sirs,I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned fraternity can explain following query:In vedic system, we are taught to see "Shodashvarga" along with Raashi kundli and out of it "Saptvarga" is considered to be most important. At the same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position of plants is adjusted based on "bhav madhya". The questions are:a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary positions. What is the logic behind seeing them?b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope.Sincerely yours,Amit Baid The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Dear Amit ji, //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope.// Right. If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal Natal Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please study the BhavaChalit. regards, Bhaskar. , Baid Amit <amit.baid wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned fraternity can explain following query: > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with Raashi kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. At the same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position of plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary positions. What is the logic behind seeing them? > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > Sincerely yours, > > Amit Baid > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Dear Amit Ji, My answer would be as below. It is all depends on technique/tool one use to get out correct predictions...........one may not look then and can predict using another method.......so there are number of method it depends on expert what he is used to get out results. If you want answer specific to your questions then i can not help i am not using that...but there could not be possible to give straight answer to beginner......'we need to see where' it depends on 'what is required to be seen'. --hope this helps ------------------ Regards, Devisingh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Namaste With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available – each recommended by their own followers who can truly say what should be the “true” Bhava Chalit to be deployed? To name just a few : a) Whole sign – followed by Majority Vedic followers b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers e) Porphyry f) Alchabitius g) Regiomontanus h) Meridian i) Placidus – followed by KP followers j) Campanus k) Koch l) Topocentric m) Neo-Porphyry n) Krusinski If one doesn’t adopt “Whole Sign” as House demarcation then one would be unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for what it is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method ......... Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy to those that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Bhaskar 31 December 2009 09:31 Subject: Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit Dear Amit ji, //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope.// Right. If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal Natal Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please study the BhavaChalit. regards, Bhaskar. , Baid Amit <amit.baid wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned fraternity can explain following query: > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with Raashi kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. At the same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position of plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary positions. What is the logic behind seeing them? > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > Sincerely yours, > > Amit Baid > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release 12/30/09 07:27:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Namaste, Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here ? How many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of recommendations without having studied any of these ? Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is studying the Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will they bear a child ? And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I recommend all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry Astrologer. I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. Bhaskar. -- In , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each recommended > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " Bhava > Chalit to be deployed? > > To name just a few : > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > e) Porphyry > f) Alchabitius > g) Regiomontanus > h) Meridian > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > j) Campanus > k) Koch > l) Topocentric > m) Neo-Porphyry > n) Krusinski > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one would be > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for what it > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method ......... > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy to those > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > Dear Amit ji, > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real position of > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > Right. > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal Natal > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please study the > BhavaChalit. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , Baid Amit <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with Raashi > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. At the > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position of > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary positions. What > is the logic behind seeing them? > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to follow Bhav > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > http://in.. <http://in./> com/ > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release 12/30/09 > 07:27:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Good one indeed...gopi. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> Namaste,> > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here ? How many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of recommendations without having studied any of these ?> > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is studying the Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will they bear a child ? > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I recommend all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita.> > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry Astrologer. > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions.> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > -- In , "Ram Jaswal" rkjaswal@ wrote:> >> > Namaste> > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each recommended> > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the "true" Bhava> > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > To name just a few :> > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers> > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point> > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems> > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers> > e) Porphyry> > f) Alchabitius> > g) Regiomontanus> > h) Meridian> > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers> > j) Campanus> > k) Koch> > l) Topocentric> > m) Neo-Porphyry> > n) Krusinski > > > > If one doesn't adopt "Whole Sign" as House demarcation then one would be> > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for what it> > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method .........> > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy to those> > that have had a difficult 2009 year ......> > > > Jai Sita Ram> > > > Ram> > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar> > 31 December 2009 09:31> > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit> > > > > > Dear Amit ji,> > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real position of> > plants in anyone's horoscope.//> > > > Right.> > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal Natal> > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please study the> > BhavaChalit. > > > > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> > astrology , Baid Amit <amit.baid@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned> > fraternity can explain following query:> > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see "Shodashvarga" along with Raashi> > kundli and out of it "Saptvarga" is considered to be most important. At the> > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position of> > plants is adjusted based on "bhav madhya". The questions are:> > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary positions. What> > is the logic behind seeing them?> > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to follow Bhav> > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope.> > > > > > Sincerely yours,> > > > > > Amit Baid> > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > http://in.. <http://in./> com/> > >> > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release 12/30/09> > 07:27:00> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Namaste Bhaskar ji I appreciate your KP stance though can’t see How the Placidus system can possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when Placidus Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some Equal House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being equated to the Wife (Placidus)? Anyhow each to their own ……. Best regards …. Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Bhaskar 31 December 2009 13:49 Subject: Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit Namaste, Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here ? How many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of recommendations without having studied any of these ? Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is studying the Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will they bear a child ? And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I recommend all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry Astrologer. I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. Bhaskar. -- In , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each recommended > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " Bhava > Chalit to be deployed? > > To name just a few : > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > e) Porphyry > f) Alchabitius > g) Regiomontanus > h) Meridian > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > j) Campanus > k) Koch > l) Topocentric > m) Neo-Porphyry > n) Krusinski > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one would be > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for what it > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method ......... > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy to those > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > Dear Amit ji, > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real position of > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > Right. > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal Natal > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please study the > BhavaChalit. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , Baid Amit <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with Raashi > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. At the > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position of > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary positions. What > is the logic behind seeing them? > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to follow Bhav > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > http://in.. <http://in./> com/ > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: 12/30/09 > 07:27:00 > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release 12/31/09 08:52:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Dear jaswal ji, proof lies in eating the pudding,. and then commenting on it. I challenge you to predict through the Equal house system and lets see who is better ? We are not equating the Placidus with the equal House, rather considering it an Divisional Chart to be made use of, when predicting. Have you displayed any better results till now after using Equal House ? If so, then where ? I have displayed the results in various Groups and in thousands of mails. please show me how can one predict well with the equal house system. regards/Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system can > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when Placidus > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some Equal > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being equated > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > Best regards .. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > Namaste, > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here ? How > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is studying the > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will they > bear a child ? > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I recommend > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > Astrologer. > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > Bhaskar. > > -- In ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > Namaste > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > recommended > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " Bhava > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > To name just a few : > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > e) Porphyry > > f) Alchabitius > > g) Regiomontanus > > h) Meridian > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > j) Campanus > > k) Koch > > l) Topocentric > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > n) Krusinski > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one would be > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for what > it > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method .......... > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy to > those > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real position of > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > Right. > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal Natal > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please study > the > > BhavaChalit. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, Baid Amit > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with Raashi > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. At > the > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position of > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary positions. What > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to follow Bhav > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > http://in.. <http://in.. <http://in./> com/> com/ > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > 12/30/09 > > 07:27:00 > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: 12/31/09 > 08:52:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Namaste Bhaskar ji I have No desire in wishing to prove myself to be better than your goodself However please feel free in picking Any Chart & Event which in your considered opinion can’t be seen via the Equal House system ……. If you honestly believe that Predictions can Only be correctly made by using KP and nothing else then again that is your opinion which you are perfectly entitled to – though I can assure you of otherwise ….. Best regards …. Jai Sita Ram Ram a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 DEAR JASWALJI, Namaste. for gods sake pl do not pit KP against Traditional. One is the milk and the other is cream from the same milk. we must be talking about predictive inputs to be seen either from natal chart or from bhavachalit chart. But you have brought down the conversation now to KP against traditional. If the equal house system was perfect then why must so many books be written on 'navamsa' by so many great astrologers. certainly one needs to study more than just the Natal chart, hence navamsa is written about. About picking any chart, I am playing cricket whole day and till I sleep, for me holding a bat and hitting a ball does not entice me further. I know the quality of predictions done by those who just study the equal house. but let me confirm that in an Experts hands even a blunt scissor can be made use of, to cut a mans hair and make him look more beautiful. In same way a good astrologer can with whatever minimum inputs given, still predict. My old posts in this same Group will make it clear that i have many times even given what the position of the planets must be in a persons chart,and in transit, just by his saying an event about his life. Therefore I do not require assurances. I know that a good astrologer can pick up any chart, and use any technique to get to the truth. regards/Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > I have No desire in wishing to prove myself to be better than your goodself > However please feel free in picking Any Chart & Event which in your > considered opinion can't be seen via the Equal House system ... > > If you honestly believe that Predictions can Only be correctly made by using > KP and nothing else then again that is your opinion which you are perfectly > entitled to - though I can assure you of otherwise ... > > Best regards .. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar > 31 December 2009 17:28 > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > Dear jaswal ji, > > proof lies in eating the pudding,. and then commenting on it. > > I challenge you to predict through the Equal house system and lets see > who is better ? > > We are not equating the Placidus with the equal House, rather > considering it an Divisional Chart to be made use of, when predicting. > > Have you displayed any better results till now after using Equal House ? > If so, then where ? I have displayed the results in various Groups and > in thousands of mails. > > please show me how can one predict well with the equal house system. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > can > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > Placidus > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > Equal > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > equated > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > Best regards .. > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > ? How > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > studying the > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > they > > bear a child ? > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > recommend > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > Astrologer. > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ram > Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > recommended > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " > Bhava > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > e) Porphyry > > > f) Alchabitius > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > h) Meridian > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > j) Campanus > > > k) Koch > > > l) Topocentric > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one > would be > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > what > > it > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > ......... > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > to > > those > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf > Of Bhaskar > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > position of > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > Natal > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > study > > the > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > Baid Amit > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with > Raashi > > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. > At > > the > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > of > > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > positions. What > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > follow Bhav > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > Homepage. > > > http://in.. <http://in.. <http://in.. > <http://in./> com/> com/> com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > 12/30/09 > > > 07:27:00 > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > 12/31/09 > > 08:52:00 > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2595 - Release 12/31/09 > 08:52:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 In this same group, I have worked on many cases where the event could not be synthesised through normal Traditional approach , but could be seen immediately by use of bhava chalit. By the way you ar enot aware, but Bhava chalit is not just kp, but even used by all good Traditional orthodox astrologers who know real astrology. In KP only the house division method changes, whereas the term " Bhava chalit' is not new to the indian astrologers who were not in KP. Please remove any bias or unnecessary criticism towards KP or any other approach, for prosperity. regards/Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > I have No desire in wishing to prove myself to be better than your goodself > However please feel free in picking Any Chart & Event which in your > considered opinion can't be seen via the Equal House system ... > > If you honestly believe that Predictions can Only be correctly made by using > KP and nothing else then again that is your opinion which you are perfectly > entitled to - though I can assure you of otherwise ... > > Best regards .. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar > 31 December 2009 17:28 > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > Dear jaswal ji, > > proof lies in eating the pudding,. and then commenting on it. > > I challenge you to predict through the Equal house system and lets see > who is better ? > > We are not equating the Placidus with the equal House, rather > considering it an Divisional Chart to be made use of, when predicting. > > Have you displayed any better results till now after using Equal House ? > If so, then where ? I have displayed the results in various Groups and > in thousands of mails. > > please show me how can one predict well with the equal house system. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > can > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > Placidus > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > Equal > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > equated > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > Best regards .. > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > ? How > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > studying the > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > they > > bear a child ? > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > recommend > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > Astrologer. > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ram > Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > recommended > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " > Bhava > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > e) Porphyry > > > f) Alchabitius > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > h) Meridian > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > j) Campanus > > > k) Koch > > > l) Topocentric > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one > would be > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > what > > it > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > ......... > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > to > > those > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf > Of Bhaskar > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > position of > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > Natal > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > study > > the > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > Baid Amit > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with > Raashi > > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. > At > > the > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > of > > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > positions. What > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > follow Bhav > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > Homepage. > > > http://in.. <http://in.. <http://in.. > <http://in./> com/> com/> com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > 12/30/09 > > > 07:27:00 > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > 12/31/09 > > 08:52:00 > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2595 - Release 12/31/09 > 08:52:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Namaste Bhaskar ji Please don’t for one moment think that I don’t appreciate KP is evolved from Traditional Vedic Astrology - I was merely pointing out the obvious difference between the two and nothing else …… As you have correctly pointed out Vedic Astrology makes use of various D-Charts for ascertaining results of one’s life unfolding due to Both Natal and Gochara movements of the 9 Graha’s. Please appreciate Everything evolves around the Natal D1 Chart as ALL the other D-Charts are Only evolved from it and nothing else. A number of Astrologers use the D-Charts in their own rights whilst others use them for confirmation of what has been promised via the Natal D1 chart. IF one deploys Bhava Chalit as D1 then prey How would one Calculate and infer the other D-Charts from it? Anyhow as already mentioned I have No desires to try and prove anything to you or anyone else for that matter – please continue to use whatever you prefer But do allow others to follow whatever methods/techniques they see fit likewise ……. Bets regards as ever and wishing Everyone a Happy & Prosperous New Year ….. Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Bhaskar 01 January 2010 05:06 T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Namaste Jaswal ji. Everyone is free to use what one wishes. i just answered to a post on the bhava chalit and gave my experience. You gave yours. there is no question of not allowing. Another point is that when we talk of Bhava chalit Chart being taken for predictive studies, it does not imply that we remove the Natal Chart altogether. ultimately The natal Chart only suggests what signs the planets must be in bhava chalit, and also the aspects. Using D Charts for predictions (Except for navamsa) is all a farce these days and only meant for postmartem or confirmations, or attesting something mentioned by the astrologer and making his explanations seem to connect. Nobody I know, can predict from D Charts. It is my duty to give the right knowledge which I have learnt from my gurus and all the expert traditional astrologers have since time immemorial been using Bhava chalit charts, which is why you will find even the softwares which are about 30 years old in india, also have a bhava chalit chart in their printouts for Basic moduless too. I do not wish to hold or conceal the right knowledge, which is why I share, but do not enforece as we cannot even force or enforce since nobody is our paid employee to do our biddings. Therefore i do my rightful duty in sharing what has given me success in predictive astrology. best wishes and wish You a happy new year 2010. regards/bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > Please don't for one moment think that I don't appreciate KP is evolved from > Traditional Vedic Astrology - I was merely pointing out the obvious > difference between the two and nothing else .. > > As you have correctly pointed out Vedic Astrology makes use of various > D-Charts for ascertaining results of one's life unfolding due to Both Natal > and Gochara movements of the 9 Graha's. > > Please appreciate Everything evolves around the Natal D1 Chart as ALL the > other D-Charts are Only evolved from it and nothing else. A number of > Astrologers use the D-Charts in their own rights whilst others use them for > confirmation of what has been promised via the Natal D1 chart. > > IF one deploys Bhava Chalit as D1 then prey How would one Calculate and > infer the other D-Charts from it? > > Anyhow as already mentioned I have No desires to try and prove anything to > you or anyone else for that matter - please continue to use whatever you > prefer But do allow others to follow whatever methods/techniques they see > fit likewise ... > > Bets regards as ever and wishing Everyone a Happy & Prosperous New Year ... > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar > 01 January 2010 05:06 > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > DEAR JASWALJI, > > Namaste. > for gods sake pl do not pit KP against Traditional. One is the milk and the > other is cream from the same milk. > > we must be talking about predictive inputs to be seen either from natal > chart or from bhavachalit chart. But you have brought down the conversation > now to KP against traditional. > > If the equal house system was perfect then why must so many books be written > on 'navamsa' by so many great astrologers. certainly one needs to study more > than just the Natal chart, hence navamsa is written about. > > About picking any chart, I am playing cricket whole day and till I sleep, > for me holding a bat and hitting a ball does not entice me further. I know > the quality of predictions done by those who just study the equal house. > > but let me confirm that in an Experts hands even a blunt scissor can be made > use of, to cut a mans hair and make him look more beautiful. > In same way a good astrologer can with whatever minimum inputs given, still > predict. > > My old posts in this same Group will make it clear that i have many times > even given what the position of the planets must be in a persons chart,and > in transit, just by his saying an event about his life. > > Therefore I do not require assurances. I know that a good astrologer can > pick up any chart, and use any technique to get to the truth. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > I have No desire in wishing to prove myself to be better than your > goodself > > However please feel free in picking Any Chart & Event which in your > > considered opinion can't be seen via the Equal House system ... > > > > If you honestly believe that Predictions can Only be correctly made by > using > > KP and nothing else then again that is your opinion which you are > perfectly > > entitled to - though I can assure you of otherwise ... > > > > Best regards .. > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > 31 December 2009 17:28 > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > Dear jaswal ji, > > > > proof lies in eating the pudding,. and then commenting on it. > > > > I challenge you to predict through the Equal house system and lets see > > who is better ? > > > > We are not equating the Placidus with the equal House, rather > > considering it an Divisional Chart to be made use of, when predicting. > > > > Have you displayed any better results till now after using Equal House ? > > If so, then where ? I have displayed the results in various Groups and > > in thousands of mails. > > > > please show me how can one predict well with the equal house system. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ram > Jaswal " > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > > can > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > > Placidus > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > > Equal > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > > equated > > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf > Of Bhaskar > > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > > ? How > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > > studying the > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > > they > > > bear a child ? > > > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > > recommend > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ram > > Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > > recommended > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " > > Bhava > > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > > e) Porphyry > > > > f) Alchabitius > > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > > h) Meridian > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > > j) Campanus > > > > k) Koch > > > > l) Topocentric > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one > > would be > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > > what > > > it > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > > ......... > > > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > > to > > > those > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On > Behalf > > Of Bhaskar > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > > position of > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > > Natal > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > > study > > > the > > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > Baid Amit > > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with > > Raashi > > > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. > > At > > > the > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > > of > > > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > > positions. What > > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > > follow Bhav > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage. > > > > http://in.. <http://in.. <http://in.. > > <http://in.. <http://in./> com/> com/> com/> com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > > 12/30/09 > > > > 07:27:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > 12/31/09 > > > 08:52:00 > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2595 - Release Date: > 12/31/09 > > 08:52:00 > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2595 - Release 12/31/09 > 08:52:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Namaste Jaswal ji,good post indeed.//Please appreciate Everything evolves around the Natal D1 Chart as ALL the> other D-Charts are Only evolved from it and nothing else. A number of> Astrologers use the D-Charts in their own rights whilst others use them for> confirmation of what has been promised via the Natal D1 chart. //yes,you are right and i second it.//IF one deploys Bhava Chalit as D1 then prey How would one Calculate and> infer the other D-Charts from it?//i dont know that other Dcharts can be infered from Bhava/chalit!!!?To my knowledge they can only be infered from NATAL(RASI) CHART.Love and regards,gopi. , "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal wrote:>> Namaste Bhaskar ji> > Please don't for one moment think that I don't appreciate KP is evolved from> Traditional Vedic Astrology - I was merely pointing out the obvious> difference between the two and nothing else .. > > As you have correctly pointed out Vedic Astrology makes use of various> D-Charts for ascertaining results of one's life unfolding due to Both Natal> and Gochara movements of the 9 Graha's. > > Please appreciate Everything evolves around the Natal D1 Chart as ALL the> other D-Charts are Only evolved from it and nothing else. A number of> Astrologers use the D-Charts in their own rights whilst others use them for> confirmation of what has been promised via the Natal D1 chart. > > IF one deploys Bhava Chalit as D1 then prey How would one Calculate and> infer the other D-Charts from it?> > Anyhow as already mentioned I have No desires to try and prove anything to> you or anyone else for that matter - please continue to use whatever you> prefer But do allow others to follow whatever methods/techniques they see> fit likewise ...> > Bets regards as ever and wishing Everyone a Happy & Prosperous New Year ...> > Jai Sita Ram> > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar> 01 January 2010 05:06> > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit> > > DEAR JASWALJI,> > Namaste.> for gods sake pl do not pit KP against Traditional. One is the milk and the> other is cream from the same milk.> > we must be talking about predictive inputs to be seen either from natal> chart or from bhavachalit chart. But you have brought down the conversation> now to KP against traditional.> > If the equal house system was perfect then why must so many books be written> on 'navamsa' by so many great astrologers. certainly one needs to study more> than just the Natal chart, hence navamsa is written about.> > About picking any chart, I am playing cricket whole day and till I sleep,> for me holding a bat and hitting a ball does not entice me further. I know> the quality of predictions done by those who just study the equal house.> > but let me confirm that in an Experts hands even a blunt scissor can be made> use of, to cut a mans hair and make him look more beautiful. > In same way a good astrologer can with whatever minimum inputs given, still> predict.> > My old posts in this same Group will make it clear that i have many times> even given what the position of the planets must be in a persons chart,and> in transit, just by his saying an event about his life. > > Therefore I do not require assurances. I know that a good astrologer can> pick up any chart, and use any technique to get to the truth.> > regards/Bhaskar.> > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology , "Ram Jaswal" rkjaswal@ wrote:> >> > Namaste Bhaskar ji> > > > I have No desire in wishing to prove myself to be better than your> goodself> > However please feel free in picking Any Chart & Event which in your> > considered opinion can't be seen via the Equal House system ...> > > > If you honestly believe that Predictions can Only be correctly made by> using> > KP and nothing else then again that is your opinion which you are> perfectly> > entitled to - though I can assure you of otherwise ...> > > > Best regards ..> > > > Jai Sita Ram> > > > Ram> > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology > > [ancient_indian_> <%40>> astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar> > 31 December 2009 17:28> > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit> > > > > > > > Dear jaswal ji,> > > > proof lies in eating the pudding,. and then commenting on it.> > > > I challenge you to predict through the Equal house system and lets see> > who is better ?> > > > We are not equating the Placidus with the equal House, rather> > considering it an Divisional Chart to be made use of, when predicting.> > > > Have you displayed any better results till now after using Equal House ?> > If so, then where ? I have displayed the results in various Groups and> > in thousands of mails.> > > > please show me how can one predict well with the equal house system.> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, "Ram> Jaswal"> > <rkjaswal@> wrote:> > >> > > Namaste Bhaskar ji> > >> > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system> > can> > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when> > Placidus> > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some> > Equal> > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being> > equated> > > to the Wife (Placidus)?> > >> > > Anyhow each to their own ...> > >> > > Best regards ..> > >> > > Jai Sita Ram> > >> > > Ram> > >> > > _____> > >> > > ancient_indian_> <%40>> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > [ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf> Of Bhaskar> > > 31 December 2009 13:49> > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit> > >> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here> > ? How> > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of> > > recommendations without having studied any of these ?> > >> > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is> > studying the> > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study> > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will> > they> > > bear a child ?> > >> > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I> > recommend> > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita.> > >> > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry> > > Astrologer.> > >> > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions.> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > > -- In ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, "Ram> > Jaswal" rkjaswal@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaste> > > >> > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each> > > recommended> > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the "true"> > Bhava> > > > Chalit to be deployed?> > > >> > > > To name just a few :> > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers> > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point> > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems> > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers> > > > e) Porphyry> > > > f) Alchabitius> > > > g) Regiomontanus> > > > h) Meridian> > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers> > > > j) Campanus> > > > k) Koch> > > > l) Topocentric> > > > m) Neo-Porphyry> > > > n) Krusinski> > > >> > > > If one doesn't adopt "Whole Sign" as House demarcation then one> > would be> > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for> > what> > > it> > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method> > .........> > > >> > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy> > to> > > those> > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ......> > > >> > > > Jai Sita Ram> > > >> > > > Ram> > > >> > > > _____> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > [ancient_indian_> > > <%40>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On> Behalf> > Of Bhaskar> > > > 31 December 2009 09:31> > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Amit ji,> > > >> > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real> > position of> > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.//> > > >> > > > Right.> > > >> > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal> > Natal> > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please> > study> > > the> > > > BhavaChalit.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > Baid Amit> > > <amit.baid@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > >> > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned> > > > fraternity can explain following query:> > > > >> > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see "Shodashvarga" along with> > Raashi> > > > kundli and out of it "Saptvarga" is considered to be most important.> > At> > > the> > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position> > of> > > > plants is adjusted based on "bhav madhya". The questions are:> > > > >> > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary> > positions. What> > > > is the logic behind seeing them?> > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to> > follow Bhav> > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > Sincerely yours,> > > > >> > > > > Amit Baid> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage.> > > > http://in.. <http://in.. <http://in..> > <http://in.. <http://in./> com/> com/> com/> com/> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date:> > > 12/30/09> > > > 07:27:00> > > >> > >> > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date:> > 12/31/09> > > 08:52:00> > >> > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2595 - Release Date:> 12/31/09> > 08:52:00> >> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2595 - Release 12/31/09> 08:52:00> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Dear Gopiji, You are right, how can one treat the bhava Chalit chart as D-1 Chart? Its not possible. The olden astrologers from the Traditional fold, especially Gujarati astrologers knew the significance of the Bhava Chalit Charts , and its predictive value. These days except for the KP Astrologers, the Traditional approach followers have mostly lost touch of these. They do not even know the meaning of it, do not want to learn about it, do not want to try it, but just want to criticise, even without tasting the food. The prpoblem is that there are not many teachers around to explain the making of this chart and its features, so one cannot blame them exactly. But one must not be rigid minded at least to listen from a person who has always spoken transparently and also illustrated what he is speaking, in practise. Hence I feel sad when people just negate what I mention as my experience without even trying to look into the matter. You write too less these days, and we are missing your beautiful postings. regards, Bhaskar. , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > Namaste Jaswal ji, > good post indeed. > //Please appreciate Everything evolves around the Natal D1 Chart as ALL > the > > other D-Charts are Only evolved from it and nothing else. A number of > > Astrologers use the D-Charts in their own rights whilst others use > them for > > confirmation of what has been promised via the Natal D1 chart. // > yes,you are right and i second it. > //IF one deploys Bhava Chalit as D1 then prey How would one Calculate > and > > infer the other D-Charts from it?// > i dont know that other Dcharts can be infered from Bhava/chalit!!!?To my > knowledge they can only be infered from NATAL(RASI) CHART. > Love and regards, > gopi. > , " Ram Jaswal " > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > Please don't for one moment think that I don't appreciate KP is > evolved from > > Traditional Vedic Astrology - I was merely pointing out the obvious > > difference between the two and nothing else .. > > > > As you have correctly pointed out Vedic Astrology makes use of various > > D-Charts for ascertaining results of one's life unfolding due to Both > Natal > > and Gochara movements of the 9 Graha's. > > > > Please appreciate Everything evolves around the Natal D1 Chart as ALL > the > > other D-Charts are Only evolved from it and nothing else. A number of > > Astrologers use the D-Charts in their own rights whilst others use > them for > > confirmation of what has been promised via the Natal D1 chart. > > > > IF one deploys Bhava Chalit as D1 then prey How would one Calculate > and > > infer the other D-Charts from it? > > > > Anyhow as already mentioned I have No desires to try and prove > anything to > > you or anyone else for that matter - please continue to use whatever > you > > prefer But do allow others to follow whatever methods/techniques they > see > > fit likewise ... > > > > Bets regards as ever and wishing Everyone a Happy & Prosperous New > Year ... > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > 01 January 2010 05:06 > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > DEAR JASWALJI, > > > > Namaste. > > for gods sake pl do not pit KP against Traditional. One is the milk > and the > > other is cream from the same milk. > > > > we must be talking about predictive inputs to be seen either from > natal > > chart or from bhavachalit chart. But you have brought down the > conversation > > now to KP against traditional. > > > > If the equal house system was perfect then why must so many books be > written > > on 'navamsa' by so many great astrologers. certainly one needs to > study more > > than just the Natal chart, hence navamsa is written about. > > > > About picking any chart, I am playing cricket whole day and till I > sleep, > > for me holding a bat and hitting a ball does not entice me further. I > know > > the quality of predictions done by those who just study the equal > house. > > > > but let me confirm that in an Experts hands even a blunt scissor can > be made > > use of, to cut a mans hair and make him look more beautiful. > > In same way a good astrologer can with whatever minimum inputs given, > still > > predict. > > > > My old posts in this same Group will make it clear that i have many > times > > even given what the position of the planets must be in a persons > chart,and > > in transit, just by his saying an event about his life. > > > > Therefore I do not require assurances. I know that a good astrologer > can > > pick up any chart, and use any technique to get to the truth. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > I have No desire in wishing to prove myself to be better than your > > goodself > > > However please feel free in picking Any Chart & Event which in your > > > considered opinion can't be seen via the Equal House system ... > > > > > > If you honestly believe that Predictions can Only be correctly made > by > > using > > > KP and nothing else then again that is your opinion which you are > > perfectly > > > entitled to - though I can assure you of otherwise ... > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > 31 December 2009 17:28 > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear jaswal ji, > > > > > > proof lies in eating the pudding,. and then commenting on it. > > > > > > I challenge you to predict through the Equal house system and lets > see > > > who is better ? > > > > > > We are not equating the Placidus with the equal House, rather > > > considering it an Divisional Chart to be made use of, when > predicting. > > > > > > Have you displayed any better results till now after using Equal > House ? > > > If so, then where ? I have displayed the results in various Groups > and > > > in thousands of mails. > > > > > > please show me how can one predict well with the equal house system. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > " Ram > > Jaswal " > > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus > system > > > can > > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > > > Placidus > > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > > > Equal > > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > > > equated > > > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On > Behalf > > Of Bhaskar > > > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented > here > > > ? How > > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question > of > > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > > > studying the > > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how > will > > > they > > > > bear a child ? > > > > > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > > > recommend > > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and > Harry > > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > " Ram > > > Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > > > recommended > > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the > " true " > > > Bhava > > > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > > > e) Porphyry > > > > > f) Alchabitius > > > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > > > h) Meridian > > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > > > j) Campanus > > > > > k) Koch > > > > > l) Topocentric > > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one > > > would be > > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence > for > > > what > > > > it > > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > > > ......... > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring > joy > > > to > > > > those > > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] > On > > Behalf > > > Of Bhaskar > > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > > > position of > > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the > normal > > > Natal > > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then > please > > > study > > > > the > > > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > > Baid Amit > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this > learned > > > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along > with > > > Raashi > > > > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most > important. > > > At > > > > the > > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the > position > > > of > > > > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > > > positions. What > > > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > > > follow Bhav > > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > Homepage. > > > > > http://in.. <http://in.. <http://in.. > > > <http://in.. <http://in./> com/> com/> com/> com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release > Date: > > > > 12/30/09 > > > > > 07:27:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > > 12/31/09 > > > > 08:52:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2595 - Release Date: > > 12/31/09 > > > 08:52:00 > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2595 - Release Date: > 12/31/09 > > 08:52:00 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Dear Bhaskar ji,//one must not be rigid minded at least to listen from a person who has always spoken transparently and also illustrated what he is speaking, in practise. Hence I feel sad when people just negate what I mention as my experience without even trying to look into the matter.//i agree but dont understand why you feel sad since it's their problem not yours.!!...//You write too less these days, and we are missing your beautiful postings.//ha,ha...who else is writing? you are the Big Boss.Enjoy....Love and regards,gopi. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> Dear Gopiji,> > You are right, how can one treat the bhava Chalit chart as D-1 Chart? Its not possible. The olden astrologers from the Traditional fold, especially Gujarati astrologers knew the significance of the Bhava Chalit Charts , and its predictive value. These days except for the KP Astrologers, the Traditional approach followers have mostly lost touch of these. They do not even know the meaning of it, do not want to learn about it, do not want to try it, but just want to criticise, even without tasting the food. The prpoblem is that there are not many teachers around to explain the making of this chart and its features, so one cannot blame them exactly.> > But one must not be rigid minded at least to listen from a person who has always spoken transparently and also illustrated what he is speaking, in practise. Hence I feel sad when people just negate what I mention as my experience without even trying to look into the matter. > > You write too less these days, and we are missing your beautiful postings.> > regards,> Bhaskar.> > > > , "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Namaste Jaswal ji,> > good post indeed.> > //Please appreciate Everything evolves around the Natal D1 Chart as ALL> > the> > > other D-Charts are Only evolved from it and nothing else. A number of> > > Astrologers use the D-Charts in their own rights whilst others use> > them for> > > confirmation of what has been promised via the Natal D1 chart. //> > yes,you are right and i second it.> > //IF one deploys Bhava Chalit as D1 then prey How would one Calculate> > and> > > infer the other D-Charts from it?//> > i dont know that other Dcharts can be infered from Bhava/chalit!!!?To my> > knowledge they can only be infered from NATAL(RASI) CHART.> > Love and regards,> > gopi.> > , "Ram Jaswal"> > <rkjaswal@> wrote:> > >> > > Namaste Bhaskar ji> > >> > > Please don't for one moment think that I don't appreciate KP is> > evolved from> > > Traditional Vedic Astrology - I was merely pointing out the obvious> > > difference between the two and nothing else ..> > >> > > As you have correctly pointed out Vedic Astrology makes use of various> > > D-Charts for ascertaining results of one's life unfolding due to Both> > Natal> > > and Gochara movements of the 9 Graha's.> > >> > > Please appreciate Everything evolves around the Natal D1 Chart as ALL> > the> > > other D-Charts are Only evolved from it and nothing else. A number of> > > Astrologers use the D-Charts in their own rights whilst others use> > them for> > > confirmation of what has been promised via the Natal D1 chart.> > >> > > IF one deploys Bhava Chalit as D1 then prey How would one Calculate> > and> > > infer the other D-Charts from it?> > >> > > Anyhow as already mentioned I have No desires to try and prove> > anything to> > > you or anyone else for that matter - please continue to use whatever> > you> > > prefer But do allow others to follow whatever methods/techniques they> > see> > > fit likewise ...> > >> > > Bets regards as ever and wishing Everyone a Happy & Prosperous New> > Year ...> > >> > > Jai Sita Ram> > >> > > Ram> > >> > > _____> > >> > > > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar> > > 01 January 2010 05:06> > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit> > >> > >> > > DEAR JASWALJI,> > >> > > Namaste.> > > for gods sake pl do not pit KP against Traditional. One is the milk> > and the> > > other is cream from the same milk.> > >> > > we must be talking about predictive inputs to be seen either from> > natal> > > chart or from bhavachalit chart. But you have brought down the> > conversation> > > now to KP against traditional.> > >> > > If the equal house system was perfect then why must so many books be> > written> > > on 'navamsa' by so many great astrologers. certainly one needs to> > study more> > > than just the Natal chart, hence navamsa is written about.> > >> > > About picking any chart, I am playing cricket whole day and till I> > sleep,> > > for me holding a bat and hitting a ball does not entice me further. I> > know> > > the quality of predictions done by those who just study the equal> > house.> > >> > > but let me confirm that in an Experts hands even a blunt scissor can> > be made> > > use of, to cut a mans hair and make him look more beautiful.> > > In same way a good astrologer can with whatever minimum inputs given,> > still> > > predict.> > >> > > My old posts in this same Group will make it clear that i have many> > times> > > even given what the position of the planets must be in a persons> > chart,and> > > in transit, just by his saying an event about his life.> > >> > > Therefore I do not require assurances. I know that a good astrologer> > can> > > pick up any chart, and use any technique to get to the truth.> > >> > > regards/Bhaskar.> > >> > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > astrology , "Ram Jaswal" rkjaswal@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji> > > >> > > > I have No desire in wishing to prove myself to be better than your> > > goodself> > > > However please feel free in picking Any Chart & Event which in your> > > > considered opinion can't be seen via the Equal House system ...> > > >> > > > If you honestly believe that Predictions can Only be correctly made> > by> > > using> > > > KP and nothing else then again that is your opinion which you are> > > perfectly> > > > entitled to - though I can assure you of otherwise ...> > > >> > > > Best regards ..> > > >> > > > Jai Sita Ram> > > >> > > > Ram> > > >> > > > _____> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > astrology > > > > [ancient_indian_> > > <%40>> > > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar> > > > 31 December 2009 17:28> > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > astrology > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear jaswal ji,> > > >> > > > proof lies in eating the pudding,. and then commenting on it.> > > >> > > > I challenge you to predict through the Equal house system and lets> > see> > > > who is better ?> > > >> > > > We are not equating the Placidus with the equal House, rather> > > > considering it an Divisional Chart to be made use of, when> > predicting.> > > >> > > > Have you displayed any better results till now after using Equal> > House ?> > > > If so, then where ? I have displayed the results in various Groups> > and> > > > in thousands of mails.> > > >> > > > please show me how can one predict well with the equal house system.> > > >> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > "Ram> > > Jaswal"> > > > <rkjaswal@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji> > > > >> > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus> > system> > > > can> > > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when> > > > Placidus> > > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some> > > > Equal> > > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being> > > > equated> > > > > to the Wife (Placidus)?> > > > >> > > > > Anyhow each to their own ...> > > > >> > > > > Best regards ..> > > > >> > > > > Jai Sita Ram> > > > >> > > > > Ram> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_> > > <%40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > > [ancient_indian_> > > > <%40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On> > Behalf> > > Of Bhaskar> > > > > 31 December 2009 13:49> > > > > ancient_indian_> > <%40>> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Namaste,> > > > >> > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented> > here> > > > ? How> > > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question> > of> > > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ?> > > > >> > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is> > > > studying the> > > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study> > > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how> > will> > > > they> > > > > bear a child ?> > > > >> > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I> > > > recommend> > > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita.> > > > >> > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and> > Harry> > > > > Astrologer.> > > > >> > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions.> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > > -- In ancient_indian_> > > > <%40>> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > "Ram> > > > Jaswal" rkjaswal@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste> > > > > >> > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each> > > > > recommended> > > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the> > "true"> > > > Bhava> > > > > > Chalit to be deployed?> > > > > >> > > > > > To name just a few :> > > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers> > > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point> > > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems> > > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers> > > > > > e) Porphyry> > > > > > f) Alchabitius> > > > > > g) Regiomontanus> > > > > > h) Meridian> > > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers> > > > > > j) Campanus> > > > > > k) Koch> > > > > > l) Topocentric> > > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry> > > > > > n) Krusinski> > > > > >> > > > > > If one doesn't adopt "Whole Sign" as House demarcation then one> > > > would be> > > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence> > for> > > > what> > > > > it> > > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method> > > > .........> > > > > >> > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring> > joy> > > > to> > > > > those> > > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ......> > > > > >> > > > > > Jai Sita Ram> > > > > >> > > > > > Ram> > > > > >> > > > > > _____> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > <%40>> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > > > [ancient_indian_> > > > > <%40>> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com]> > On> > > Behalf> > > > Of Bhaskar> > > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31> > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > <%40>> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com> > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Amit ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real> > > > position of> > > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.//> > > > > >> > > > > > Right.> > > > > >> > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the> > normal> > > > Natal> > > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then> > please> > > > study> > > > > the> > > > > > BhavaChalit.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > <%40>> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com,> > > > Baid Amit> > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this> > learned> > > > > > fraternity can explain following query:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see "Shodashvarga" along> > with> > > > Raashi> > > > > > kundli and out of it "Saptvarga" is considered to be most> > important.> > > > At> > > > > the> > > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the> > position> > > > of> > > > > > plants is adjusted based on "bhav madhya". The questions are:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary> > > > positions. What> > > > > > is the logic behind seeing them?> > > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to> > > > follow Bhav> > > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's> > horoscope.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sincerely yours,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Amit Baid> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > Homepage.> > > > > > http://in.. <http://in.. <http://in..> > > > <http://in.. <http://in./> com/> com/> com/> com/> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release> > Date:> > > > > 12/30/09> > > > > > 07:27:00> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date:> > > > 12/31/09> > > > > 08:52:00> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2595 - Release Date:> > > 12/31/09> > > > 08:52:00> > > >> > >> > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2595 - Release Date:> > 12/31/09> > > 08:52:00> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Namaste Bhaskar ji Please don’t take this post in Any negative sense – I for one would Very much appreciate your/someone showing the value gained by looking at Bhava Chalit charts that can’t perhaps been seen otherwise from D1? No challenge But simple showing of its usefulness as you have stated? Again repeating its usefulness that Can’t be gleamed otherwise from D1. I am always open to “new” knowledge IF shown to be revealing in practice …….. Thanks in anticipation …… Jai Sita Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 dear Jaswal ji, Namaste. I am among the only few who practises here, what he preaches. Cant you read the hundreds of mails in this Group, and the thousands in other Groups where all what I am preaching has been put to practise ? Or perhaps you are new here and do not wish to make any efforts , and want me to again prove to you for an individuals sake. Why dont you study my past mails related to astrology, and then comment ? This is nnot new knowledge. But practised since time immemorial. Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > Please don't take this post in Any negative sense - I for one would Very > much appreciate your/someone showing the value gained by looking at Bhava > Chalit charts that can't perhaps been seen otherwise from D1? > > No challenge But simple showing of its usefulness as you have stated? Again > repeating its usefulness that Can't be gleamed otherwise from D1. > > I am always open to " new " knowledge IF shown to be revealing in practice > .... > > Thanks in anticipation .. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar > 01 January 2010 15:15 > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > Dear Gopiji, > > You are right, how can one treat the bhava Chalit chart as D-1 Chart? Its > not possible. The olden astrologers from the Traditional fold, especially > Gujarati astrologers knew the significance of the Bhava Chalit Charts , and > its predictive value. These days except for the KP Astrologers, the > Traditional approach followers have mostly lost touch of these. They do not > even know the meaning of it, do not want to learn about it, do not want to > try it, but just want to criticise, even without tasting the food. The > prpoblem is that there are not many teachers around to explain the making of > this chart and its features, so one cannot blame them exactly. > > But one must not be rigid minded at least to listen from a person who has > always spoken transparently and also illustrated what he is speaking, in > practise. Hence I feel sad when people just negate what I mention as my > experience without even trying to look into the matter. > > You write too less these days, and we are missing your beautiful postings. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Jaswal ji, > > good post indeed. > > //Please appreciate Everything evolves around the Natal D1 Chart as ALL > > the > > > other D-Charts are Only evolved from it and nothing else. A number of > > > Astrologers use the D-Charts in their own rights whilst others use > > them for > > > confirmation of what has been promised via the Natal D1 chart. // > > yes,you are right and i second it. > > //IF one deploys Bhava Chalit as D1 then prey How would one Calculate > > and > > > infer the other D-Charts from it?// > > i dont know that other Dcharts can be infered from Bhava/chalit!!!?To my > > knowledge they can only be infered from NATAL(RASI) CHART. > > Love and regards, > > gopi. > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > Please don't for one moment think that I don't appreciate KP is > > evolved from > > > Traditional Vedic Astrology - I was merely pointing out the obvious > > > difference between the two and nothing else .. > > > > > > As you have correctly pointed out Vedic Astrology makes use of various > > > D-Charts for ascertaining results of one's life unfolding due to Both > > Natal > > > and Gochara movements of the 9 Graha's. > > > > > > Please appreciate Everything evolves around the Natal D1 Chart as ALL > > the > > > other D-Charts are Only evolved from it and nothing else. A number of > > > Astrologers use the D-Charts in their own rights whilst others use > > them for > > > confirmation of what has been promised via the Natal D1 chart. > > > > > > IF one deploys Bhava Chalit as D1 then prey How would one Calculate > > and > > > infer the other D-Charts from it? > > > > > > Anyhow as already mentioned I have No desires to try and prove > > anything to > > > you or anyone else for that matter - please continue to use whatever > > you > > > prefer But do allow others to follow whatever methods/techniques they > > see > > > fit likewise ... > > > > > > Bets regards as ever and wishing Everyone a Happy & Prosperous New > > Year ... > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology > > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > 01 January 2010 05:06 > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > DEAR JASWALJI, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > for gods sake pl do not pit KP against Traditional. One is the milk > > and the > > > other is cream from the same milk. > > > > > > we must be talking about predictive inputs to be seen either from > > natal > > > chart or from bhavachalit chart. But you have brought down the > > conversation > > > now to KP against traditional. > > > > > > If the equal house system was perfect then why must so many books be > > written > > > on 'navamsa' by so many great astrologers. certainly one needs to > > study more > > > than just the Natal chart, hence navamsa is written about. > > > > > > About picking any chart, I am playing cricket whole day and till I > > sleep, > > > for me holding a bat and hitting a ball does not entice me further. I > > know > > > the quality of predictions done by those who just study the equal > > house. > > > > > > but let me confirm that in an Experts hands even a blunt scissor can > > be made > > > use of, to cut a mans hair and make him look more beautiful. > > > In same way a good astrologer can with whatever minimum inputs given, > > still > > > predict. > > > > > > My old posts in this same Group will make it clear that i have many > > times > > > even given what the position of the planets must be in a persons > > chart,and > > > in transit, just by his saying an event about his life. > > > > > > Therefore I do not require assurances. I know that a good astrologer > > can > > > pick up any chart, and use any technique to get to the truth. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ram > Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > I have No desire in wishing to prove myself to be better than your > > > goodself > > > > However please feel free in picking Any Chart & Event which in your > > > > considered opinion can't be seen via the Equal House system ... > > > > > > > > If you honestly believe that Predictions can Only be correctly made > > by > > > using > > > > KP and nothing else then again that is your opinion which you are > > > perfectly > > > > entitled to - though I can assure you of otherwise ... > > > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On > Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > 31 December 2009 17:28 > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear jaswal ji, > > > > > > > > proof lies in eating the pudding,. and then commenting on it. > > > > > > > > I challenge you to predict through the Equal house system and lets > > see > > > > who is better ? > > > > > > > > We are not equating the Placidus with the equal House, rather > > > > considering it an Divisional Chart to be made use of, when > > predicting. > > > > > > > > Have you displayed any better results till now after using Equal > > House ? > > > > If so, then where ? I have displayed the results in various Groups > > and > > > > in thousands of mails. > > > > > > > > please show me how can one predict well with the equal house system. > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > " Ram > > > Jaswal " > > > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus > > system > > > > can > > > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > > > > Placidus > > > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > > > > Equal > > > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > > > > equated > > > > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On > > Behalf > > > Of Bhaskar > > > > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented > > here > > > > ? How > > > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question > > of > > > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > > > > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > > > > studying the > > > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how > > will > > > > they > > > > > bear a child ? > > > > > > > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > > > > recommend > > > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > > > > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and > > Harry > > > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > " Ram > > > > Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > > > > recommended > > > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the > > " true " > > > > Bhava > > > > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > > > > e) Porphyry > > > > > > f) Alchabitius > > > > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > > > > h) Meridian > > > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > > > > j) Campanus > > > > > > k) Koch > > > > > > l) Topocentric > > > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one > > > > would be > > > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence > > for > > > > what > > > > > it > > > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > > > > ......... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring > > joy > > > > to > > > > > those > > > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] > > On > > > Behalf > > > > Of Bhaskar > > > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > > > > position of > > > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the > > normal > > > > Natal > > > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then > > please > > > > study > > > > > the > > > > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > > > Baid Amit > > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this > > learned > > > > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along > > with > > > > Raashi > > > > > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most > > important. > > > > At > > > > > the > > > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the > > position > > > > of > > > > > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > > > > positions. What > > > > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > > > > follow Bhav > > > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's > > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Arre Bhai Jaswal sahab, Whats wrong with You ???? Why are you pitting KP against Equal house. what is the sense of all this exchange ???? Do You even know that you were speaking about BhavaChalit versus Equal house initially, and now jumped to KP versus Traditional ? Or was this your agenda from beforehand itself ? Who is equating Placidus with Equal house ???? I am just advocating to look at house placements of Planets from bhava chalit (For Predictions), and not what you are talking about. I am not sure whether you know even what is Bhava Chalit and how is it made use of ??? This is a senseless exchange.... regards,Bhaskar. , "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal wrote:>> Namaste Bhaskar ji> > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system can> possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when Placidus> Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some Equal> House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being equated> to the Wife (Placidus)? > > Anyhow each to their own ...> > Best regards ..> > Jai Sita Ram> > Ram> > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar> 31 December 2009 13:49> > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit> > > Namaste,> > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here ? How> many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of> recommendations without having studied any of these ?> > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is studying the> Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will they> bear a child ? > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I recommend> all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita.> > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry> Astrologer. > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions.> > Bhaskar.> > -- In ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology , "Ram Jaswal" rkjaswal@ wrote:> >> > Namaste> > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each> recommended> > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the "true" Bhava> > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > To name just a few :> > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers> > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point> > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems> > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers> > e) Porphyry> > f) Alchabitius> > g) Regiomontanus> > h) Meridian> > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers> > j) Campanus> > k) Koch> > l) Topocentric> > m) Neo-Porphyry> > n) Krusinski > > > > If one doesn't adopt "Whole Sign" as House demarcation then one would be> > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for what> it> > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method .........> > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy to> those> > that have had a difficult 2009 year ......> > > > Jai Sita Ram> > > > Ram> > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology > > [ancient_indian_> <%40>> astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar> > 31 December 2009 09:31> > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit> > > > > > Dear Amit ji,> > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real position of> > plants in anyone's horoscope.//> > > > Right.> > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal Natal> > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please study> the> > BhavaChalit. > > > > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>> > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, Baid Amit> <amit.baid@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned> > fraternity can explain following query:> > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see "Shodashvarga" along with Raashi> > kundli and out of it "Saptvarga" is considered to be most important. At> the> > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position of> > plants is adjusted based on "bhav madhya". The questions are:> > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary positions. What> > is the logic behind seeing them?> > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to follow Bhav> > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope.> > > > > > Sincerely yours,> > > > > > Amit Baid> > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > http://in.. <http://in.. <http://in./> com/> com/> > >> > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date:> 12/30/09> > 07:27:00> >> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release 12/31/09> 08:52:00> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Dear Bhaskarji and Ramji, While I was expecting some exciting discussion on the subject, it is going on KP v/s traditional. In my personal opinion, KP and traditional shall not be mixed. If we are discussing and analysing based on traditional, we shall not bring placidious house concept, though looking at Bhava chalit for house placement in traditional is same as in KP. Now, going back to first mail where topic started, Shodasvargas need to be followed for looking specific matters since all persons born in particular Ascendant window of Rashi chart may experience different results.And as Bhasksrji pointed Bhava chalit and Rasi both have their own significance. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Arre Bhai Jaswal sahab, > > Whats wrong with You ???? > > Why are you pitting KP against Equal house. what is the sense of all > this exchange ???? > > Do You even know that you were speaking about BhavaChalit versus Equal > house initially, and now jumped to KP versus Traditional ? Or was this > your agenda from beforehand itself ? > > Who is equating Placidus with Equal house ???? > > I am just advocating to look at house placements of Planets from bhava > chalit (For Predictions), and not what you are talking about. > > I am not sure whether you know even what is Bhava Chalit and how is it > made use of ??? > > This is a senseless exchange.... > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , " Ram Jaswal " > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > can > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > Placidus > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > Equal > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > equated > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > Best regards .. > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > ? How > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > studying the > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > they > > bear a child ? > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > recommend > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > Astrologer. > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > recommended > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " > Bhava > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > e) Porphyry > > > f) Alchabitius > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > h) Meridian > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > j) Campanus > > > k) Koch > > > l) Topocentric > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one > would be > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > what > > it > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > ......... > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > to > > those > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > position of > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > Natal > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > study > > the > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > Baid Amit > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with > Raashi > > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. > At > > the > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > of > > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > positions. What > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > follow Bhav > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > Homepage. > > > http://in.. <http://in.. <http://in./> com/> com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > 12/30/09 > > > 07:27:00 > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > 12/31/09 > > 08:52:00 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Namaste Devji & Baskarji I have already made it clear that I have No desires in discussing the merits or misgivings of KP v/s Traditional – All I am trying to ascertain is How one can gleam information from the Bhava Chalit chart (which is given by Most Vedic software programs) that can’t be otherwise got from D1? After All Majority of Vedic Astrologers consider D1 as a Bhava Chart!! I am very much aware of the Bhava Chalit chart though must confess it’s “exact/usefulness” eludes me ….. I hope this is clear enough? Feel free in taking Any Charts …… Many thanks and best wishes …. Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of axeplex 02 January 2010 08:32 Subject: Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit Dear Bhaskarji and Ramji, While I was expecting some exciting discussion on the subject, it is going on KP v/s traditional. In my personal opinion, KP and traditional shall not be mixed. If we are discussing and analysing based on traditional, we shall not bring placidious house concept, though looking at Bhava chalit for house placement in traditional is same as in KP. Now, going back to first mail where topic started, Shodasvargas need to be followed for looking specific matters since all persons born in particular Ascendant window of Rashi chart may experience different results.And as Bhasksrji pointed Bhava chalit and Rasi both have their own significance. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Arre Bhai Jaswal sahab, > > Whats wrong with You ???? > > Why are you pitting KP against Equal house. what is the sense of all > this exchange ???? > > Do You even know that you were speaking about BhavaChalit versus Equal > house initially, and now jumped to KP versus Traditional ? Or was this > your agenda from beforehand itself ? > > Who is equating Placidus with Equal house ???? > > I am just advocating to look at house placements of Planets from bhava > chalit (For Predictions), and not what you are talking about. > > I am not sure whether you know even what is Bhava Chalit and how is it > made use of ??? > > This is a senseless exchange.... > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " Ram Jaswal " > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > can > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > Placidus > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > Equal > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > equated > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > Best regards .. > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > ? How > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > studying the > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > they > > bear a child ? > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > recommend > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > Astrologer. > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > recommended > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " > Bhava > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > e) Porphyry > > > f) Alchabitius > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > h) Meridian > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > j) Campanus > > > k) Koch > > > l) Topocentric > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one > would be > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > what > > it > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > ......... > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > to > > those > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > position of > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > Natal > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > study > > the > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > Baid Amit > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with > Raashi > > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. > At > > the > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > of > > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > positions. What > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > follow Bhav > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > Homepage. > > > http://in.. <http://in.. <http://in./> com/> com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > 12/30/09 > > > 07:27:00 > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > 12/31/09 > > 08:52:00 > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2597 - Release 01/02/10 08:22:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Sir, feel free in checking my previous postings on astrological pointers related to Bhava Chalit in this Group. I am sure there is much to learn from those... regards, Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Devji & Baskarji > > I have already made it clear that I have No desires in discussing the merits > or misgivings of KP v/s Traditional - All I am trying to ascertain is How > one can gleam information from the Bhava Chalit chart (which is given by > Most Vedic software programs) that can't be otherwise got from D1? After All > Majority of Vedic Astrologers consider D1 as a Bhava Chart!! > > I am very much aware of the Bhava Chalit chart though must confess it's > " exact/usefulness " eludes me ... > > I hope this is clear enough? Feel free in taking Any Charts .. > > Many thanks and best wishes .. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of axeplex > 02 January 2010 08:32 > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > Dear Bhaskarji and Ramji, > > While I was expecting some exciting discussion on the subject, it is going > on KP v/s traditional. In my personal opinion, KP and traditional shall not > be mixed. If we are discussing and analysing based on traditional, we shall > not bring placidious house concept, though looking at Bhava chalit for house > placement in traditional is same as in KP. > > Now, going back to first mail where topic started, Shodasvargas need to be > followed for looking specific matters since all persons born in particular > Ascendant window of Rashi chart may experience different results.And as > Bhasksrji pointed Bhava chalit and Rasi both have their own significance. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Arre Bhai Jaswal sahab, > > > > Whats wrong with You ???? > > > > Why are you pitting KP against Equal house. what is the sense of all > > this exchange ???? > > > > Do You even know that you were speaking about BhavaChalit versus Equal > > house initially, and now jumped to KP versus Traditional ? Or was this > > your agenda from beforehand itself ? > > > > Who is equating Placidus with Equal house ???? > > > > I am just advocating to look at house placements of Planets from bhava > > chalit (For Predictions), and not what you are talking about. > > > > I am not sure whether you know even what is Bhava Chalit and how is it > > made use of ??? > > > > This is a senseless exchange.... > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > > can > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > > Placidus > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > > Equal > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > > equated > > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology > > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > > ? How > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > > studying the > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > > they > > > bear a child ? > > > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > > recommend > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ram > Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > > recommended > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " > > Bhava > > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > > e) Porphyry > > > > f) Alchabitius > > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > > h) Meridian > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > > j) Campanus > > > > k) Koch > > > > l) Topocentric > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one > > would be > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > > what > > > it > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > > ......... > > > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > > to > > > those > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On > Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > > position of > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > > Natal > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > > study > > > the > > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > Baid Amit > > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with > > Raashi > > > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. > > At > > > the > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > > of > > > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > > positions. What > > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > > follow Bhav > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage. > > > > http://in.. <http://in.. <http://in.. > <http://in./> com/> com/> com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > > 12/30/09 > > > > 07:27:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > 12/31/09 > > > 08:52:00 > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2597 - Release 01/02/10 > 08:22:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Ramji, Bhaskarji has rightly written that lot of discussion has happened on this forum on Bhava chalit which enriched knowledge of many includind me. If you think something new, please feel free to add. In nutshell, when you have to consider placement, see Bhava else see whatever you see normally. If you follow D-charts, Bhava chart relevance may reduce a bit. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Sir, > > feel free in checking my previous postings on astrological pointers related to Bhava Chalit in this Group. I am sure there is much to learn from those... > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Devji & Baskarji > > > > I have already made it clear that I have No desires in discussing the merits > > or misgivings of KP v/s Traditional - All I am trying to ascertain is How > > one can gleam information from the Bhava Chalit chart (which is given by > > Most Vedic software programs) that can't be otherwise got from D1? After All > > Majority of Vedic Astrologers consider D1 as a Bhava Chart!! > > > > I am very much aware of the Bhava Chalit chart though must confess it's > > " exact/usefulness " eludes me ... > > > > I hope this is clear enough? Feel free in taking Any Charts .. > > > > Many thanks and best wishes .. > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of axeplex > > 02 January 2010 08:32 > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji and Ramji, > > > > While I was expecting some exciting discussion on the subject, it is going > > on KP v/s traditional. In my personal opinion, KP and traditional shall not > > be mixed. If we are discussing and analysing based on traditional, we shall > > not bring placidious house concept, though looking at Bhava chalit for house > > placement in traditional is same as in KP. > > > > Now, going back to first mail where topic started, Shodasvargas need to be > > followed for looking specific matters since all persons born in particular > > Ascendant window of Rashi chart may experience different results.And as > > Bhasksrji pointed Bhava chalit and Rasi both have their own significance. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > astrology , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Arre Bhai Jaswal sahab, > > > > > > Whats wrong with You ???? > > > > > > Why are you pitting KP against Equal house. what is the sense of all > > > this exchange ???? > > > > > > Do You even know that you were speaking about BhavaChalit versus Equal > > > house initially, and now jumped to KP versus Traditional ? Or was this > > > your agenda from beforehand itself ? > > > > > > Who is equating Placidus with Equal house ???? > > > > > > I am just advocating to look at house placements of Planets from bhava > > > chalit (For Predictions), and not what you are talking about. > > > > > > I am not sure whether you know even what is Bhava Chalit and how is it > > > made use of ??? > > > > > > This is a senseless exchange.... > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " > > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > > > can > > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > > > Placidus > > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > > > Equal > > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > > > equated > > > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > astrology > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > > > ? How > > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > > > studying the > > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > > > they > > > > bear a child ? > > > > > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > > > recommend > > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ram > > Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > > > recommended > > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " > > > Bhava > > > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > > > e) Porphyry > > > > > f) Alchabitius > > > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > > > h) Meridian > > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > > > j) Campanus > > > > > k) Koch > > > > > l) Topocentric > > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one > > > would be > > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > > > what > > > > it > > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > > > ......... > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > > > to > > > > those > > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On > > Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > > > position of > > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > > > Natal > > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > > > study > > > > the > > > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > > Baid Amit > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with > > > Raashi > > > > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. > > > At > > > > the > > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > > > of > > > > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > > > positions. What > > > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > > > follow Bhav > > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > Homepage. > > > > > http://in.. <http://in.. <http://in.. > > <http://in./> com/> com/> com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > > > 12/30/09 > > > > > 07:27:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > > 12/31/09 > > > > 08:52:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2597 - Release 01/02/10 > > 08:22:00 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Dear Jaswal sahab, giving benefit of doubts, let me explain in short. For details you may please search the previous posts written by me on this Forum. Suppose one notices The lagna Lord placed in the 11th house of the Horoscope alongwith the 11th lord, forming a Great Dhan(Raj)Yoga, but in actual real life you notice the person being a pauper, then check the Bhava chalit Chart. You will notice the lagnaLord alongwith the 11th lord having been shifted to the 12th house in the Bhava Chart. This explains why that man is a pauper. That is the simple explanation of what the Bhava Chalkit shows. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Devji & Baskarji > > I have already made it clear that I have No desires in discussing the merits > or misgivings of KP v/s Traditional - All I am trying to ascertain is How > one can gleam information from the Bhava Chalit chart (which is given by > Most Vedic software programs) that can't be otherwise got from D1? After All > Majority of Vedic Astrologers consider D1 as a Bhava Chart!! > > I am very much aware of the Bhava Chalit chart though must confess it's > " exact/usefulness " eludes me ... > > I hope this is clear enough? Feel free in taking Any Charts .. > > Many thanks and best wishes .. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of axeplex > 02 January 2010 08:32 > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > Dear Bhaskarji and Ramji, > > While I was expecting some exciting discussion on the subject, it is going > on KP v/s traditional. In my personal opinion, KP and traditional shall not > be mixed. If we are discussing and analysing based on traditional, we shall > not bring placidious house concept, though looking at Bhava chalit for house > placement in traditional is same as in KP. > > Now, going back to first mail where topic started, Shodasvargas need to be > followed for looking specific matters since all persons born in particular > Ascendant window of Rashi chart may experience different results.And as > Bhasksrji pointed Bhava chalit and Rasi both have their own significance. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Arre Bhai Jaswal sahab, > > > > Whats wrong with You ???? > > > > Why are you pitting KP against Equal house. what is the sense of all > > this exchange ???? > > > > Do You even know that you were speaking about BhavaChalit versus Equal > > house initially, and now jumped to KP versus Traditional ? Or was this > > your agenda from beforehand itself ? > > > > Who is equating Placidus with Equal house ???? > > > > I am just advocating to look at house placements of Planets from bhava > > chalit (For Predictions), and not what you are talking about. > > > > I am not sure whether you know even what is Bhava Chalit and how is it > > made use of ??? > > > > This is a senseless exchange.... > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > > can > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > > Placidus > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > > Equal > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > > equated > > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology > > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > > ? How > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > > studying the > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > > they > > > bear a child ? > > > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > > recommend > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ram > Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > > recommended > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " > > Bhava > > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > > e) Porphyry > > > > f) Alchabitius > > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > > h) Meridian > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > > j) Campanus > > > > k) Koch > > > > l) Topocentric > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one > > would be > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > > what > > > it > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > > ......... > > > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > > to > > > those > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On > Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > > position of > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > > Natal > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > > study > > > the > > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > Baid Amit > > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with > > Raashi > > > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. > > At > > > the > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > > of > > > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > > positions. What > > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > > follow Bhav > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage. > > > > http://in.. <http://in.. <http://in.. > <http://in./> com/> com/> com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > > 12/30/09 > > > > 07:27:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > 12/31/09 > > > 08:52:00 > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2597 - Release 01/02/10 > 08:22:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Bhaskar ji, To add on to your post since we are discussing both Shodasvarga & Bhava Chalit. Even if Lagna lord and 11th house has not been shifted in Bhava and form Raja yoga being in 11th in Bhava, all the people with that combination would not get Great Dhan unless supported by Shodasvarga. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Jaswal sahab, > > giving benefit of doubts, let me explain in short. For details you may please search the previous posts written by me on this Forum. > > Suppose one notices The lagna Lord placed in the 11th house of the Horoscope alongwith the 11th lord, forming a Great Dhan(Raj)Yoga, but in actual real life you notice the person being a pauper, then check the Bhava chalit Chart. You will notice the lagnaLord alongwith the 11th lord having been shifted to the 12th house in the Bhava Chart. This explains why that man is a pauper. > > That is the simple explanation of what the Bhava Chalkit shows. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > > > , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Devji & Baskarji > > > > I have already made it clear that I have No desires in discussing the merits > > or misgivings of KP v/s Traditional - All I am trying to ascertain is How > > one can gleam information from the Bhava Chalit chart (which is given by > > Most Vedic software programs) that can't be otherwise got from D1? After All > > Majority of Vedic Astrologers consider D1 as a Bhava Chart!! > > > > I am very much aware of the Bhava Chalit chart though must confess it's > > " exact/usefulness " eludes me ... > > > > I hope this is clear enough? Feel free in taking Any Charts .. > > > > Many thanks and best wishes .. > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of axeplex > > 02 January 2010 08:32 > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji and Ramji, > > > > While I was expecting some exciting discussion on the subject, it is going > > on KP v/s traditional. In my personal opinion, KP and traditional shall not > > be mixed. If we are discussing and analysing based on traditional, we shall > > not bring placidious house concept, though looking at Bhava chalit for house > > placement in traditional is same as in KP. > > > > Now, going back to first mail where topic started, Shodasvargas need to be > > followed for looking specific matters since all persons born in particular > > Ascendant window of Rashi chart may experience different results.And as > > Bhasksrji pointed Bhava chalit and Rasi both have their own significance. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > astrology , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Arre Bhai Jaswal sahab, > > > > > > Whats wrong with You ???? > > > > > > Why are you pitting KP against Equal house. what is the sense of all > > > this exchange ???? > > > > > > Do You even know that you were speaking about BhavaChalit versus Equal > > > house initially, and now jumped to KP versus Traditional ? Or was this > > > your agenda from beforehand itself ? > > > > > > Who is equating Placidus with Equal house ???? > > > > > > I am just advocating to look at house placements of Planets from bhava > > > chalit (For Predictions), and not what you are talking about. > > > > > > I am not sure whether you know even what is Bhava Chalit and how is it > > > made use of ??? > > > > > > This is a senseless exchange.... > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " > > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > > > can > > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > > > Placidus > > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > > > Equal > > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > > > equated > > > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > astrology > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > > > ? How > > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > > > studying the > > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > > > they > > > > bear a child ? > > > > > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > > > recommend > > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ram > > Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > > > recommended > > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " > > > Bhava > > > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > > > e) Porphyry > > > > > f) Alchabitius > > > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > > > h) Meridian > > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > > > j) Campanus > > > > > k) Koch > > > > > l) Topocentric > > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one > > > would be > > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > > > what > > > > it > > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > > > ......... > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > > > to > > > > those > > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On > > Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > > > position of > > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > > > Natal > > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > > > study > > > > the > > > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > > Baid Amit > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with > > > Raashi > > > > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. > > > At > > > > the > > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > > > of > > > > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > > > positions. What > > > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > > > follow Bhav > > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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