Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Dear dev ji, agreed.. regards/Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Bhaskar ji, > > To add on to your post since we are discussing both Shodasvarga & Bhava Chalit. > Even if Lagna lord and 11th house has not been shifted in Bhava and form Raja yoga being in 11th in Bhava, all the people with that combination would not get Great Dhan unless supported by Shodasvarga. > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jaswal sahab, > > > > giving benefit of doubts, let me explain in short. For details you may please search the previous posts written by me on this Forum. > > > > Suppose one notices The lagna Lord placed in the 11th house of the Horoscope alongwith the 11th lord, forming a Great Dhan(Raj)Yoga, but in actual real life you notice the person being a pauper, then check the Bhava chalit Chart. You will notice the lagnaLord alongwith the 11th lord having been shifted to the 12th house in the Bhava Chart. This explains why that man is a pauper. > > > > That is the simple explanation of what the Bhava Chalkit shows. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Devji & Baskarji > > > > > > I have already made it clear that I have No desires in discussing the merits > > > or misgivings of KP v/s Traditional - All I am trying to ascertain is How > > > one can gleam information from the Bhava Chalit chart (which is given by > > > Most Vedic software programs) that can't be otherwise got from D1? After All > > > Majority of Vedic Astrologers consider D1 as a Bhava Chart!! > > > > > > I am very much aware of the Bhava Chalit chart though must confess it's > > > " exact/usefulness " eludes me ... > > > > > > I hope this is clear enough? Feel free in taking Any Charts .. > > > > > > Many thanks and best wishes .. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of axeplex > > > 02 January 2010 08:32 > > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji and Ramji, > > > > > > While I was expecting some exciting discussion on the subject, it is going > > > on KP v/s traditional. In my personal opinion, KP and traditional shall not > > > be mixed. If we are discussing and analysing based on traditional, we shall > > > not bring placidious house concept, though looking at Bhava chalit for house > > > placement in traditional is same as in KP. > > > > > > Now, going back to first mail where topic started, Shodasvargas need to be > > > followed for looking specific matters since all persons born in particular > > > Ascendant window of Rashi chart may experience different results.And as > > > Bhasksrji pointed Bhava chalit and Rasi both have their own significance. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > > astrology , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Arre Bhai Jaswal sahab, > > > > > > > > Whats wrong with You ???? > > > > > > > > Why are you pitting KP against Equal house. what is the sense of all > > > > this exchange ???? > > > > > > > > Do You even know that you were speaking about BhavaChalit versus Equal > > > > house initially, and now jumped to KP versus Traditional ? Or was this > > > > your agenda from beforehand itself ? > > > > > > > > Who is equating Placidus with Equal house ???? > > > > > > > > I am just advocating to look at house placements of Planets from bhava > > > > chalit (For Predictions), and not what you are talking about. > > > > > > > > I am not sure whether you know even what is Bhava Chalit and how is it > > > > made use of ??? > > > > > > > > This is a senseless exchange.... > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " > > > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > > > > can > > > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > > > > Placidus > > > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > > > > Equal > > > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > > > > equated > > > > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > > astrology > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > > > > ? How > > > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > > > > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > > > > studying the > > > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > > > > they > > > > > bear a child ? > > > > > > > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > > > > recommend > > > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > > > > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ram > > > Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > > > > recommended > > > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " > > > > Bhava > > > > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > > > > e) Porphyry > > > > > > f) Alchabitius > > > > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > > > > h) Meridian > > > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > > > > j) Campanus > > > > > > k) Koch > > > > > > l) Topocentric > > > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one > > > > would be > > > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > > > > what > > > > > it > > > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > > > > ......... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > > > > to > > > > > those > > > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On > > > Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > > > > position of > > > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > > > > Natal > > > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > > > > study > > > > > the > > > > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > > > Baid Amit > > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with > > > > Raashi > > > > > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. > > > > At > > > > > the > > > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > > > > of > > > > > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > > > > positions. What > > > > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > > > > follow Bhav > > > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Thats the right way to check Shodash vargas. they have to be checked alongwith natal Chart, and not in isolations or idependently, as people are doing. Same with Bhava Chalit... regards/Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Bhaskar ji, > > To add on to your post since we are discussing both Shodasvarga & Bhava Chalit. > Even if Lagna lord and 11th house has not been shifted in Bhava and form Raja yoga being in 11th in Bhava, all the people with that combination would not get Great Dhan unless supported by Shodasvarga. > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jaswal sahab, > > > > giving benefit of doubts, let me explain in short. For details you may please search the previous posts written by me on this Forum. > > > > Suppose one notices The lagna Lord placed in the 11th house of the Horoscope alongwith the 11th lord, forming a Great Dhan(Raj)Yoga, but in actual real life you notice the person being a pauper, then check the Bhava chalit Chart. You will notice the lagnaLord alongwith the 11th lord having been shifted to the 12th house in the Bhava Chart. This explains why that man is a pauper. > > > > That is the simple explanation of what the Bhava Chalkit shows. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Devji & Baskarji > > > > > > I have already made it clear that I have No desires in discussing the merits > > > or misgivings of KP v/s Traditional - All I am trying to ascertain is How > > > one can gleam information from the Bhava Chalit chart (which is given by > > > Most Vedic software programs) that can't be otherwise got from D1? After All > > > Majority of Vedic Astrologers consider D1 as a Bhava Chart!! > > > > > > I am very much aware of the Bhava Chalit chart though must confess it's > > > " exact/usefulness " eludes me ... > > > > > > I hope this is clear enough? Feel free in taking Any Charts .. > > > > > > Many thanks and best wishes .. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of axeplex > > > 02 January 2010 08:32 > > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji and Ramji, > > > > > > While I was expecting some exciting discussion on the subject, it is going > > > on KP v/s traditional. In my personal opinion, KP and traditional shall not > > > be mixed. If we are discussing and analysing based on traditional, we shall > > > not bring placidious house concept, though looking at Bhava chalit for house > > > placement in traditional is same as in KP. > > > > > > Now, going back to first mail where topic started, Shodasvargas need to be > > > followed for looking specific matters since all persons born in particular > > > Ascendant window of Rashi chart may experience different results.And as > > > Bhasksrji pointed Bhava chalit and Rasi both have their own significance. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > > astrology , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Arre Bhai Jaswal sahab, > > > > > > > > Whats wrong with You ???? > > > > > > > > Why are you pitting KP against Equal house. what is the sense of all > > > > this exchange ???? > > > > > > > > Do You even know that you were speaking about BhavaChalit versus Equal > > > > house initially, and now jumped to KP versus Traditional ? Or was this > > > > your agenda from beforehand itself ? > > > > > > > > Who is equating Placidus with Equal house ???? > > > > > > > > I am just advocating to look at house placements of Planets from bhava > > > > chalit (For Predictions), and not what you are talking about. > > > > > > > > I am not sure whether you know even what is Bhava Chalit and how is it > > > > made use of ??? > > > > > > > > This is a senseless exchange.... > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " > > > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > > > > can > > > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > > > > Placidus > > > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > > > > Equal > > > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > > > > equated > > > > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > > astrology > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > > > > ? How > > > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > > > > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > > > > studying the > > > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > > > > they > > > > > bear a child ? > > > > > > > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > > > > recommend > > > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > > > > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ram > > > Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > > > > recommended > > > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " > > > > Bhava > > > > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > > > > e) Porphyry > > > > > > f) Alchabitius > > > > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > > > > h) Meridian > > > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > > > > j) Campanus > > > > > > k) Koch > > > > > > l) Topocentric > > > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one > > > > would be > > > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > > > > what > > > > > it > > > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > > > > ......... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > > > > to > > > > > those > > > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On > > > Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > > > > position of > > > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > > > > Natal > > > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > > > > study > > > > > the > > > > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > > > Baid Amit > > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with > > > > Raashi > > > > > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. > > > > At > > > > > the > > > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > > > > of > > > > > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > > > > positions. What > > > > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > > > > follow Bhav > > > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > Homepage. > > > > > > http://in.. <http://in.. <http://in.. > > > <http://in./> com/> com/> com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > > > > 12/30/09 > > > > > > 07:27:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > > > 12/31/09 > > > > > 08:52:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2597 - Release Date: 01/02/10 > > > 08:22:00 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Namaste Bhaskarji Many thanks for the “simple” explanation ….. Would you or other members have an example DOB details showing this example or something similar – again No challenge implied? Thanks and best regards ……. Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Bhaskar 02 January 2010 17:01 Subject: Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit Dear Jaswal sahab, giving benefit of doubts, let me explain in short. For details you may please search the previous posts written by me on this Forum. Suppose one notices The lagna Lord placed in the 11th house of the Horoscope alongwith the 11th lord, forming a Great Dhan(Raj)Yoga, but in actual real life you notice the person being a pauper, then check the Bhava chalit Chart. You will notice the lagnaLord alongwith the 11th lord having been shifted to the 12th house in the Bhava Chart. This explains why that man is a pauper. That is the simple explanation of what the Bhava Chalkit shows. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Devji & Baskarji > > I have already made it clear that I have No desires in discussing the merits > or misgivings of KP v/s Traditional - All I am trying to ascertain is How > one can gleam information from the Bhava Chalit chart (which is given by > Most Vedic software programs) that can't be otherwise got from D1? After All > Majority of Vedic Astrologers consider D1 as a Bhava Chart!! > > I am very much aware of the Bhava Chalit chart though must confess it's > " exact/usefulness " eludes me ... > > I hope this is clear enough? Feel free in taking Any Charts .. > > Many thanks and best wishes .. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of axeplex > 02 January 2010 08:32 > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > Dear Bhaskarji and Ramji, > > While I was expecting some exciting discussion on the subject, it is going > on KP v/s traditional. In my personal opinion, KP and traditional shall not > be mixed. If we are discussing and analysing based on traditional, we shall > not bring placidious house concept, though looking at Bhava chalit for house > placement in traditional is same as in KP. > > Now, going back to first mail where topic started, Shodasvargas need to be > followed for looking specific matters since all persons born in particular > Ascendant window of Rashi chart may experience different results.And as > Bhasksrji pointed Bhava chalit and Rasi both have their own significance. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Arre Bhai Jaswal sahab, > > > > Whats wrong with You ???? > > > > Why are you pitting KP against Equal house. what is the sense of all > > this exchange ???? > > > > Do You even know that you were speaking about BhavaChalit versus Equal > > house initially, and now jumped to KP versus Traditional ? Or was this > > your agenda from beforehand itself ? > > > > Who is equating Placidus with Equal house ???? > > > > I am just advocating to look at house placements of Planets from bhava > > chalit (For Predictions), and not what you are talking about. > > > > I am not sure whether you know even what is Bhava Chalit and how is it > > made use of ??? > > > > This is a senseless exchange.... > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > > can > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > > Placidus > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > > Equal > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > > equated > > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology > > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > > ? How > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > > studying the > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > > they > > > bear a child ? > > > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > > recommend > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ram > Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > > recommended > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " > > Bhava > > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > > e) Porphyry > > > > f) Alchabitius > > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > > h) Meridian > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > > j) Campanus > > > > k) Koch > > > > l) Topocentric > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one > > would be > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > > what > > > it > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > > ......... > > > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > > to > > > those > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On > Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > > position of > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > > Natal > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > > study > > > the > > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > Baid Amit > > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with > > Raashi > > > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. > > At > > > the > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > > of > > > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > > positions. What > > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > > follow Bhav > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage. > > > > http://in.. <http://in.. <http://in.. > <http://in./> com/> com/> com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > > 12/30/09 > > > > 07:27:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > 12/31/09 > > > 08:52:00 > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2597 - Release Date: 01/02/10 > 08:22:00 > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2597 - Release 01/02/10 08:22:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Bhai aap puraane messages check kariye na... kahin na kahin mil jaayega... ya logon ki kundliyan dekhiye apne aaju baaju jahan par aise Yogas dikhate hain Natal Chart mein, par actually woh log fakkad fakeer hote hain.... regards/Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Bhaskarji > > Many thanks for the " simple " explanation ... > > Would you or other members have an example DOB details showing this example > or something similar - again No challenge implied? > > Thanks and best regards ... > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar > 02 January 2010 17:01 > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > Dear Jaswal sahab, > > giving benefit of doubts, let me explain in short. For details you may > please search the previous posts written by me on this Forum. > > Suppose one notices The lagna Lord placed in the 11th house of the Horoscope > alongwith the 11th lord, forming a Great Dhan(Raj)Yoga, but in actual real > life you notice the person being a pauper, then check the Bhava chalit > Chart. You will notice the lagnaLord alongwith the 11th lord having been > shifted to the 12th house in the Bhava Chart. This explains why that man is > a pauper. > > That is the simple explanation of what the Bhava Chalkit shows. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Devji & Baskarji > > > > I have already made it clear that I have No desires in discussing the > merits > > or misgivings of KP v/s Traditional - All I am trying to ascertain is How > > one can gleam information from the Bhava Chalit chart (which is given by > > Most Vedic software programs) that can't be otherwise got from D1? After > All > > Majority of Vedic Astrologers consider D1 as a Bhava Chart!! > > > > I am very much aware of the Bhava Chalit chart though must confess it's > > " exact/usefulness " eludes me ... > > > > I hope this is clear enough? Feel free in taking Any Charts .. > > > > Many thanks and best wishes .. > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > [ancient_indian_ > <%40> > astrology ] On Behalf Of axeplex > > 02 January 2010 08:32 > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji and Ramji, > > > > While I was expecting some exciting discussion on the subject, it is going > > on KP v/s traditional. In my personal opinion, KP and traditional shall > not > > be mixed. If we are discussing and analysing based on traditional, we > shall > > not bring placidious house concept, though looking at Bhava chalit for > house > > placement in traditional is same as in KP. > > > > Now, going back to first mail where topic started, Shodasvargas need to be > > followed for looking specific matters since all persons born in particular > > Ascendant window of Rashi chart may experience different results.And as > > Bhasksrji pointed Bhava chalit and Rasi both have their own significance. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Arre Bhai Jaswal sahab, > > > > > > Whats wrong with You ???? > > > > > > Why are you pitting KP against Equal house. what is the sense of all > > > this exchange ???? > > > > > > Do You even know that you were speaking about BhavaChalit versus Equal > > > house initially, and now jumped to KP versus Traditional ? Or was this > > > your agenda from beforehand itself ? > > > > > > Who is equating Placidus with Equal house ???? > > > > > > I am just advocating to look at house placements of Planets from bhava > > > chalit (For Predictions), and not what you are talking about. > > > > > > I am not sure whether you know even what is Bhava Chalit and how is it > > > made use of ??? > > > > > > This is a senseless exchange.... > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ram > Jaswal " > > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > > > can > > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > > > Placidus > > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > > > Equal > > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > > > equated > > > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On Behalf > Of Bhaskar > > > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > > ancient_indian_ > <%40> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > > > ? How > > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > > > studying the > > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > > > they > > > > bear a child ? > > > > > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > > > recommend > > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Ram > > Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > > > recommended > > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " > > > Bhava > > > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > > > e) Porphyry > > > > > f) Alchabitius > > > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > > > h) Meridian > > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > > > j) Campanus > > > > > k) Koch > > > > > l) Topocentric > > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one > > > would be > > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > > > what > > > > it > > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > > > ......... > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > > > to > > > > those > > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On > > Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > > > position of > > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > > > Natal > > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > > > study > > > > the > > > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > > Baid Amit > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with > > > Raashi > > > > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. > > > At > > > > the > > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > > > of > > > > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > > > positions. What > > > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > > > follow Bhav > > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > Homepage. > > > > > http://in.. <http://in.. <http://in.. > > <http://in.. <http://in./> com/> com/> com/> com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > > > 12/30/09 > > > > > 07:27:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > > 12/31/09 > > > > 08:52:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2597 - Release Date: > 01/02/10 > > 08:22:00 > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2597 - Release 01/02/10 > 08:22:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Dear Jaswal ji, Namaste. The Mother nature loves you, and to answer your call, this mail came just few minutes back in my personal id. Thus should give you a real example of the predictions through Bhava Chalit. (The prediction was given to a member in a Group where I am no more present).He has given me a feedback on my reply to one of his earlier postings. regards/Bhaskar. --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Gardas Gnaneshwar <ggnaneshwar wrote: Gardas Gnaneshwar <ggnaneshwarRe: Re: Return to home Countrybhaskar_jyotishDate: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 10:33 AM Dear Bhaskar ji, Thank you for your voluble prediction on my stay at abroad. It seems to that my stay will continue till period you mentioned. I tried to leave from here but it could not happened for whatever reasons. RegardsGnaneswar G Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Fri, 11 January, 2008 12:42:04 PM Re: Return to home Country Dear Krishnamurthy ji,I do respect your knowledge in astrology anddo not wish to contradict you too.I will mention my reason for mentioning that date.It would be Ketu subperiod.Ketu strongly represents the 12th house and in own constellation, iswhat made me choose that period for moving away fromhis current place.( 12th House representationthrough Bhava Chalit )Mercury represents the 2nd and the 11th, and the11th is 12th from the 12th,and breaks the positives of'the 12th house, is why I did not choose the Budh period. Budh placed in Suns Nakshatras strongly represents the1st house. Though Mercury represents the 2nd house tooof family happiness, but the 1st house significancedue to Nakshatra placements, again breaks the positivesof the 2nd house.Confirmed by transit of Saturn in this area of 24 degrees Leo to 5 degrees Virgo crossingNatal Budh at 3 degrees Virgo, period between April 2009 to September 2009.regards,Bhaskar., Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > Please don't think that I am contradicting your statement. I want your opinion on what I said.> > I felt that the native has favourable conditions to return home in Budha AD becasue Budha sits in the nakshatra of Sun who is the lagna lord. Lagna lord has good influence on bringing the native back home if the native is away. Since, the native also wants to come back, I thought due to this favoruable condition (helped by Sun) he will be able to come back during Budha AD.> > Please give your opinion on my logic. It helps me to learn.> > Regards,> Krishna> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> Dear Gnaneshwarji,> > With my limited knowledge I do not> foreseee the homecoming in 2009. But> only after 20th December 2011 ,> which is why I wrote 2012. > > Spiritually if I assume the Birth time> given by you as right,then it is Budh> who is the main significator for Spiritual > Life in Yourchart,which connects to Lord Vishnu.> This is seen through the 5th Cusp SubLord> who in Your case falls in Mercury .> Even the Sun is placed in sign of Virgo> ruled by Mercury, which confirms this.> Budh is denoting the 2nd and the 11th house. > With aspect of Jupiter on the 11th ,> a strong Lagna lord Sun. Saturn and Jupier> both aspecting each other , there is no question> of attaining good spiritual advancement, if > efforts are made. Your Lagna Cusp falls on 11 > degrees, and you may notice that the Mokshakaraka > Graha Ketu is placed within 3 degrees of this > Lagna Cusp, which would help you> in spiritual yearnings. Even Pooja of Lakshmiji > would do good to you.> > You have the 2nd house strong which is good for> Vak siddhi, lagna lord strong for firmness of> convictions, Navamsha Lord in 5th of purva punya,> the 5th ,8th and the 12th Lords connected to > each other in close degreecal orbs, You > would have a great interest in the Occult sciences.> Further helped by the Atmakaraka placed in the 9th.> > best wishes,> Bhaskar.> > , Gardas Gnaneshwar > <ggnaneshwar@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar Ji,> > > > Thank you very much for your prediction. > > > > Further to your prdiction regarding my return to India I am > confusing liitle bit like whether will I return in 2009 or in 2012. > Please can you clear my confusion. And I want to know how about my > spiritual life.> > > > I am very much interested in this devine sceince but with my > current job restricition not able to dedicate some time for it.> > > > > > Regards> > Gnaneswar G> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ >> > > > Thursday, 10 January, 2008 7:11:17 PM> > Re: Return to home Country> > > > > > Dear Gnanaeshwar ji,> > > > Nutshell ( Future) -> > > > April 2009 to december 2011 would be a very good period for> > Finance and gains. ( Fulfillment of desires).> > > > Year 2012 would be the Year, You should be in India, for good,> > Which means you should settle down for good after this period,> > in India. > > > > Current (Present) -> > > > The presen period uptil April 2009 is good for> > Job, but not so good for health, which would trouble you,> > but not serious at anytime. september 1st to September 15th> > 2008 is the period to be cautious with regards to health. > > > > The next 4 months may be trying for you, and may want you> > to come back to India and effect the shift permanently.> > In fact there is good chance for you to be in India in this > period..> > > > June 2008 to November 2008 is a good time for returns through> > Profession , but not so good for health. ( Normal Ill health)> > > > From November 2008 onwards take care of Heart. Must> > not develop any problems like BP etc leading to heart trouble.> > > > Your chart is very good otherwise . Strong Sun in own Sign> > as the Lagna Lord.> > Exalted Mercury.> > Venus in own sign.> > > > You must do the upayes for Saturn ,like Hanuman Chalisa daily,> > visiting temple on saturday and offering tel (Oil), feeding> > food to poor old beggars etc.> > " Aditya Hrdyam" must be recited daily for The Sun God.> > > > best wishes,> > bhaskar.> > > > , "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > wrote:> > >> > > Sir,> > > > > > Is Ramanapeth and " Ramanaguda ",> > > the same place ?> > > > > > > > > > > > , Gardas Gnaneshwar > > > <ggnaneshwar@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji,> > > > > > > > I am doing a job in IT Company as IT Engineer. I have passed > my > > > Diploma in Computers.> > > > I am basically troubling with Daibetes since 10 years and am > not > > > able to manage with this alone in foreign land.> > > > > > > > I am trying to come back but it is not happening to me.> > > > Hence I sought the prediction about this> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Gnaneswar G> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ >> > > > > > > > Thursday, 10 January, 2008 5:22:29 PM> > > > Re: Return to home Country> > > > > > > > Dear Gardasji,> > > > > > > > While appreciating your approach to me for the Query,> > > > I wish to say that I need further details from you, as do not> > > > possess a crystal Ball to gaze upon and see everything, > neither > > > > have so much spare time on hand to study the chart in full > > > > entirety to know about you, It would be very kind of you to > > > > help me with your inputs as to what trouble you are> > > > facing at the moment, as to thinking> > > > of leaving HongKong and coming back to india. > > > > What job are you into and your academic qualifications ?> > > > All this information saves me the trouble to see the other> > > > matters, and I can just concentrate on the main Query,> > > > when I have these.> > > > > > > > kind regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > , "Gnaneshwar" > > > <ggnaneshwar@ ....> > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji,> > > > > > > > > > Please could you give the prediction about my return to home > > > > country > > > > > and future position of my job.> > > > > > > > > > Presently I am working in Hongkong and here my birth details.> > > > > > > > > > DOB: 05th Sep 1970> > > > > POB: Ramannapet ( Nalgonda DT.)> > > > > TOB: 05:31 AM> > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards> > > > > Gardas> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. 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Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Namaste Bhaskarji Many thanks for forwarding the details …. Can you please forward Co-ords for Ramannapet? I seem to be getting lots of conflicting values from Google & JHora? Many thanks once again and best wishes …… Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Bhaskar 03 January 2010 05:33 Subject: Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit Dear Jaswal ji, Namaste. The Mother nature loves you, and to answer your call, this mail came just few minutes back in my personal id. Thus should give you a real example of the predictions through Bhava Chalit. (The prediction was given to a member in a Group where I am no more present).He has given me a feedback on my reply to one of his earlier postings. regards/Bhaskar. --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Gardas Gnaneshwar <ggnaneshwar > wrote: Gardas Gnaneshwar <ggnaneshwar > Re: Re: Return to home Country bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 10:33 AM Dear Bhaskar ji, Thank you for your voluble prediction on my stay at abroad. It seems to that my stay will continue till period you mentioned. I tried to leave from here but it could not happened for whatever reasons. Regards Gnaneswar G Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> Fri, 11 January, 2008 12:42:04 PM Re: Return to home Country Dear Krishnamurthy ji, I do respect your knowledge in astrology and do not wish to contradict you too. I will mention my reason for mentioning that date. It would be Ketu subperiod.Ketu strongly represents the 12th house and in own constellation, is what made me choose that period for moving away from his current place.( 12th House representation through Bhava Chalit ) Mercury represents the 2nd and the 11th, and the 11th is 12th from the 12th,and breaks the positives of' the 12th house, is why I did not choose the Budh period. Budh placed in Suns Nakshatras strongly represents the 1st house. Though Mercury represents the 2nd house too of family happiness, but the 1st house significance due to Nakshatra placements, again breaks the positives of the 2nd house.Confirmed by transit of Saturn in this area of 24 degrees Leo to 5 degrees Virgo crossing Natal Budh at 3 degrees Virgo, period between April 2009 to Sep tember 2009. regards, Bhaskar. @ . com, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Please don't think that I am contradicting your statement. I want your opinion on what I said. > > I felt that the native has favourable conditions to return home in Budha AD becasue Budha sits in the nakshatra of Sun who is the lagna lord. Lagna lord has good influence on bringing the native back home if the native is away. Since, the native also wants to come back, I thought due to this favoruable condition (helped by Sun) he will be able to come back during Budha AD. > > Please give your opinion on my logic. It helps me to learn. > > Regards, > Krishna > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > Dear Gnaneshwarji, > > With my limited knowledge I do not > foreseee the homecoming in 2009. But > only after 20th December 2011 , > which is why I wrote 2012. > > Spiritually if I assume the Birth time > given by you as right,then it is Budh > who is the main significator for Spiritual > Life in Yourchart,which connects to Lord Vishnu. > This is seen through the 5th Cusp SubLord > who in Your case falls in Mercury . > Even the Sun is placed in sign of Virgo > ruled by Mercury, which confirms this. > Budh is denoting the 2nd and the 11th house. > With aspect of Jupiter on the 11th , > a strong Lagna lord Sun. Saturn and Jupier > both aspecting each other , there is no question > of attaining good spiritual advancement, if > efforts are made. Your Lagna Cusp falls on 11 > degrees, and you may notice that the Mokshakaraka > Graha Ketu is placed within 3 degrees of this > Lagna Cusp, which would help you > in spiritual yearnings. Even Pooja of Lakshmiji > would do good to you. > > You have the 2nd house strong which is good for > Vak siddhi, lagna lord strong for firmness of > convictions, Navamsha Lord in 5th of purva punya, > the 5th ,8th and the 12th Lords connected to > each other in close degreecal orbs, You > would have a great interest in the Occult sciences. > Further helped by the Atmakaraka placed in the 9th. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > @ . com, Gardas Gnaneshwar > <ggnaneshwar@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > ; > > > Thank you very much for your prediction. > > > > Further to your prdiction regarding my return to India I am > confusing liitle bit like whether will I return in 2009 or in 2012. > Please can you clear my confusion. And I want to know how about my > spiritual life. > > > > I am very much interested in this devine sceince but with my > current job restricition not able to dedicate some time for it. > > > > > > Regards > > Gnaneswar G > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > @ . com > > Thursday, 10 January, 2008 7:11:17 PM > > Re: Return to home Country > > > > > > Dear Gnanaeshwar ji, > > > > Nutshell ( Future) - > > > > April 2009 to december 2011 would be a very good period for > > Finance and gains. ( Fulfillment of desires). > > > > Year 2012 would be the Year, You should be in India, for good, > > Which means you should settle down for good after this period, > > in India. > > > > Current (Present) - > > > > The presen period uptil April 2009 is good for > > Job, but not so good for health, which would trouble you, > > but not serious at anytime. september 1st to September 15th > > 2008 is the period to be cautious with regards to health. > > > > The next 4 months may be trying for you, and may want you > > to come back to India and effect the shift permanently. > > In fa ct there is good chance for you to be in India in this > period.. > > > > June 2008 to November 2008 is a good time for returns through > > Profession , but not so good for health. ( Normal Ill health) > > > > From November 2008 onwards take care of Heart. Must > > not develop any problems like BP etc leading to heart trouble. > > > > Your chart is very good otherwise . Strong Sun in own Sign > > as the Lagna Lord. > > Exalted Mercury. > > Venus in own sign. > > > > You must do the upayes for Saturn ,like Hanuman Chalisa daily, > > visiting temple on saturday and offering tel (Oil), feeding > > food to poor old beggars etc. > > " Aditya Hrdyam " must be recited daily for The Sun God. > > > > best wishes, > > bhaskar. > > > > , " Bhaskar " > < bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > Is Ramanapeth and " Ramanaguda " , > > > the same place ? > > > > > > > > > > > > , Gardas Gnaneshwar > > > <ggnaneshwar@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > > > > > > I am doing a job in IT Company as IT Engineer. I have passed > my > > > Diploma in Computers. > > > > I am basically troubling with Daibetes since 10 years and am > not > > > able to manage with this alone in foreign land. > > > > > > > > I am trying to come back but it is not happening to me. > > > > Hence I sought the prediction about this > > > > > > > > Regards > > & g t; > Gnaneswar G > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > > > > Thursday, 10 January, 2008 5:22:29 PM > > > > Re: Return to home Country > > > > > > > > Dear Gardasji, > > > > > > > > While appreciating your approach to me for the Query, > > > > I wish to say that I need further details from you, as do not > > > > possess a crystal Ball to gaze upon and see everything, > neither > > > > have so much spare time on hand to study the chart in full > > > > entirety to know about you, It would be very kind of you to > > > > help me with your inputs as to what trouble you are > ; > > > facing at the moment, as to thinking > > > > of leaving HongKong and coming back to india. > > > > What job are you into and your academic qualifications ? > > > > All this information saves me the trouble to see the other > > > > matters, and I can just concentrate on the main Query, > > > > when I have these. > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " Gnaneshwar " > > > <ggnaneshwar@ ....> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > > > > > > > > Please could you give the prediction about my return to home > > > > country > > > > > and future position of my job. > > > > > > > > > > Presently I am working in Hongkong and here my birth details. > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 05th Sep 1970 > > > > > POB: Ramannapet ( Nalgonda DT.) > > > > > TOB: 05:31 AM > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > Gardas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. 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Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Dear Dev ji and other Friends,Some times back I developed an article ," how to judge Varga charts"This article is attached for ready reference.Regards.G. K. Goel From: bhaskar_jyotishDate: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:44:24 +0000 Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit Dear dev ji, agreed.. regards/Bhaskar. , "axeplex" <axeplex wrote: > > Bhaskar ji, > > To add on to your post since we are discussing both Shodasvarga & Bhava Chalit. > Even if Lagna lord and 11th house has not been shifted in Bhava and form Raja yoga being in 11th in Bhava, all the people with that combination would not get Great Dhan unless supported by Shodasvarga. > > regds > Dev > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jaswal sahab, > > > > giving benefit of doubts, let me explain in short. For details you may please search the previous posts written by me on this Forum. > > > > Suppose one notices The lagna Lord placed in the 11th house of the Horoscope alongwith the 11th lord, forming a Great Dhan(Raj)Yoga, but in actual real life you notice the person being a pauper, then check the Bhava chalit Chart. You will notice the lagnaLord alongwith the 11th lord having been shifted to the 12th house in the Bhava Chart. This explains why that man is a pauper. > > > > That is the simple explanation of what the Bhava Chalkit shows. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Devji & Baskarji > > > > > > I have already made it clear that I have No desires in discussing the merits > > > or misgivings of KP v/s Traditional - All I am trying to ascertain is How > > > one can gleam information from the Bhava Chalit chart (which is given by > > > Most Vedic software programs) that can't be otherwise got from D1? After All > > > Majority of Vedic Astrologers consider D1 as a Bhava Chart!! > > > > > > I am very much aware of the Bhava Chalit chart though must confess it's > > > "exact/usefulness" eludes me ... > > > > > > I hope this is clear enough? Feel free in taking Any Charts .. > > > > > > Many thanks and best wishes .. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of axeplex > > > 02 January 2010 08:32 > > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji and Ramji, > > > > > > While I was expecting some exciting discussion on the subject, it is going > > > on KP v/s traditional. In my personal opinion, KP and traditional shall not > > > be mixed. If we are discussing and analysing based on traditional, we shall > > > not bring placidious house concept, though looking at Bhava chalit for house > > > placement in traditional is same as in KP. > > > > > > Now, going back to first mail where topic started, Shodasvargas need to be > > > followed for looking specific matters since all persons born in particular > > > Ascendant window of Rashi chart may experience different results.And as > > > Bhasksrji pointed Bhava chalit and Rasi both have their own significance. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > > astrology , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Arre Bhai Jaswal sahab, > > > > > > > > Whats wrong with You ???? > > > > > > > > Why are you pitting KP against Equal house. what is the sense of all > > > > this exchange ???? > > > > > > > > Do You even know that you were speaking about BhavaChalit versus Equal > > > > house initially, and now jumped to KP versus Traditional ? Or was this > > > > your agenda from beforehand itself ? > > > > > > > > Who is equating Placidus with Equal house ???? > > > > > > > > I am just advocating to look at house placements of Planets from bhava > > > > chalit (For Predictions), and not what you are talking about. > > > > > > > > I am not sure whether you know even what is Bhava Chalit and how is it > > > > made use of ??? > > > > > > > > This is a senseless exchange.... > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > > astrology , "Ram Jaswal" > > > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > > > > can > > > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > > > > Placidus > > > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > > > > Equal > > > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > > > > equated > > > > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > > astrology > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > > > > ? How > > > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > > > > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > > > > studying the > > > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > > > > they > > > > > bear a child ? > > > > > > > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > > > > recommend > > > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > > > > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, "Ram > > > Jaswal" rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > > > > recommended > > > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the "true" > > > > Bhava > > > > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > > > > e) Porphyry > > > > > > f) Alchabitius > > > > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > > > > h) Meridian > > > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > > > > j) Campanus > > > > > > k) Koch > > > > > > l) Topocentric > > > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt "Whole Sign" as House demarcation then one > > > > would be > > > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > > > > what > > > > > it > > > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > > > > ......... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > > > > to > > > > > those > > > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On > > > Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > > > > position of > > > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > > > > Natal > > > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > > > > study > > > > > the > > > > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > > > Baid Amit > > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see "Shodashvarga" along with > > > > Raashi > > > > > > kundli and out of it "Saptvarga" is considered to be most important. > > > > At > > > > > the > > > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > > > > of > > > > > > plants is adjusted based on "bhav madhya". The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > > > > positions. What > > > > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > > > > follow Bhav > > > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Dear Sirs,One of the questions in this discussion still remains unanswered:Rashi and Bhavchalit are there.... its real, whereas rest of the divisions are merely calculation. They dont practically confer to reality.What is the logic of using shodashvargas? What are/must have been the scientific basis of having such divisions? Sincerely yours,Amit BaidBhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Sat, 2 January, 2010 11:14:24 PM Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit Dear dev ji, agreed.. regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex > wrote: > > Bhaskar ji, > > To add on to your post since we are discussing both Shodasvarga & Bhava Chalit. > Even if Lagna lord and 11th house has not been shifted in Bhava and form Raja yoga being in 11th in Bhava, all the people with that combination would not get Great Dhan unless supported by Shodasvarga. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Jaswal sahab, > > > > giving benefit of doubts, let me explain in short. For details you may please search the previous posts written by me on this Forum. > > > > Suppose one notices The lagna Lord placed in the 11th house of the Horoscope alongwith the 11th lord, forming a Great Dhan(Raj)Yoga, but in actual real life you notice the person being a pauper, then check the Bhava chalit Chart. You will notice the lagnaLord alongwith the 11th lord having been shifted to the 12th house in the Bhava Chart. This explains why that man is a pauper. > > > > That is the simple explanation of what the Bhava Chalkit shows.. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Devji & Baskarji > > > > > > I have already made it clear that I have No desires in discussing the merits > > > or misgivings of KP v/s Traditional - All I am trying to ascertain is How > > > one can gleam information from the Bhava Chalit chart (which is given by > > > Most Vedic software programs) that can't be otherwise got from D1? After All > > > Majority of Vedic Astrologers consider D1 as a Bhava Chart!! > > > > > > I am very much aware of the Bhava Chalit chart though must confess it's > > > "exact/usefulness" eludes me ... > > > > > > I hope this is clear enough? Feel free in taking Any Charts .. > > > > > > Many thanks and best wishes .. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of axeplex > > > 02 January 2010 08:32 > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Shodashvarga/ Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji and Ramji, > > > > > > While I was expecting some exciting discussion on the subject, it is going > > > on KP v/s traditional. In my personal opinion, KP and traditional shall not > > > be mixed. If we are discussing and analysing based on traditional, we shall > > > not bring placidious house concept, though looking at Bhava chalit for house > > > placement in traditional is same as in KP. > > > > > > Now, going back to first mail where topic started, Shodasvargas need to be > > > followed for looking specific matters since all persons born in particular > > > Ascendant window of Rashi chart may experience different results.And as > > > Bhasksrji pointed Bhava chalit and Rasi both have their own significance. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > astrology@grou ps.com, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Arre Bhai Jaswal sahab, > > > > > > > > Whats wrong with You ???? > > > > > > > > Why are you pitting KP against Equal house. what is the sense of all > > > > this exchange ???? > > > > > > > > Do You even know that you were speaking about BhavaChalit versus Equal > > > > house initially, and now jumped to KP versus Traditional ? Or was this > > > > your agenda from beforehand itself ? > > > > > > > > Who is equating Placidus with Equal house ???? > > > > > > > > I am just advocating to look at house placements of Planets from bhava > > > > chalit (For Predictions) , and not what you are talking about. > > > > > > > > I am not sure whether you know even what is Bhava Chalit and how is it > > > > made use of ??? > > > > > > > > This is a senseless exchange.... > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > astrology@grou ps.com, "Ram Jaswal" > > > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > > > > can > > > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > > > > Placidus > > > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > > > > Equal > > > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > > > > equated > > > > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > astrology@grou ps..com > > > > > [ancient_ indian_ > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > astrology@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > astrology@grou ps.com > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Shodashvarga/ Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > > > > ? How > > > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > > > > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > > > > studying the > > > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > > > > they > > > > > bear a child ? > > > > > > > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > > > > recommend > > > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > > > > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. com> ps.com, "Ram > > > Jaswal" rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > > > > recommended > > > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the "true" > > > > Bhava > > > > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > > > > e) Porphyry > > > > > > f) Alchabitius > > > > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > > > > h) Meridian > > > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > > > > j) Campanus > > > > > > k) Koch > > > > > > l) Topocentric > > > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt "Whole Sign" as House demarcation then one > > > > would be > > > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > > > > what > > > > > it > > > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > > > > ......... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > > > > to > > > > > those > > > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. com> ps.com > > > > > > [ancient_ indian_ > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. com> ps.com] On > > > Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. com> ps.com > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Shodashvarga/ Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > > > > position of > > > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > > > > Natal > > > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > > > > study > > > > > the > > > > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. com> ps.com, > > > > Baid Amit > > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see "Shodashvarga" along with > > > > Raashi > > > > > > kundli and out of it "Saptvarga" is considered to be most important. > > > > At > > > > > the > > > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > > > > of > > > > > > plants is adjusted based on "bhav madhya". The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > > > > positions. What > > > > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > > > > follow Bhav > > > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Dear Friend,It looks that attachment to mail isnot reached.I am again mailing it.G. K. Goel From: g.k.goelDate: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 00:53:46 +0530RE: Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit Dear Dev ji and other Friends,Some times back I developed an article ," how to judge Varga charts"This article is attached for ready reference.Regards.G. K. Goel From: bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.inDate: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:44:24 +0000 Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit Dear dev ji, agreed.. regards/Bhaskar. , "axeplex" <axeplex wrote: > > Bhaskar ji, > > To add on to your post since we are discussing both Shodasvarga & Bhava Chalit. > Even if Lagna lord and 11th house has not been shifted in Bhava and form Raja yoga being in 11th in Bhava, all the people with that combination would not get Great Dhan unless supported by Shodasvarga. > > regds > Dev > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jaswal sahab, > > > > giving benefit of doubts, let me explain in short. For details you may please search the previous posts written by me on this Forum. > > > > Suppose one notices The lagna Lord placed in the 11th house of the Horoscope alongwith the 11th lord, forming a Great Dhan(Raj)Yoga, but in actual real life you notice the person being a pauper, then check the Bhava chalit Chart. You will notice the lagnaLord alongwith the 11th lord having been shifted to the 12th house in the Bhava Chart. This explains why that man is a pauper. > > > > That is the simple explanation of what the Bhava Chalkit shows. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Devji & Baskarji > > > > > > I have already made it clear that I have No desires in discussing the merits > > > or misgivings of KP v/s Traditional - All I am trying to ascertain is How > > > one can gleam information from the Bhava Chalit chart (which is given by > > > Most Vedic software programs) that can't be otherwise got from D1? After All > > > Majority of Vedic Astrologers consider D1 as a Bhava Chart!! > > > > > > I am very much aware of the Bhava Chalit chart though must confess it's > > > "exact/usefulness" eludes me ... > > > > > > I hope this is clear enough? Feel free in taking Any Charts .. > > > > > > Many thanks and best wishes .. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of axeplex > > > 02 January 2010 08:32 > > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji and Ramji, > > > > > > While I was expecting some exciting discussion on the subject, it is going > > > on KP v/s traditional. In my personal opinion, KP and traditional shall not > > > be mixed. If we are discussing and analysing based on traditional, we shall > > > not bring placidious house concept, though looking at Bhava chalit for house > > > placement in traditional is same as in KP. > > > > > > Now, going back to first mail where topic started, Shodasvargas need to be > > > followed for looking specific matters since all persons born in particular > > > Ascendant window of Rashi chart may experience different results.And as > > > Bhasksrji pointed Bhava chalit and Rasi both have their own significance. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > > astrology , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Arre Bhai Jaswal sahab, > > > > > > > > Whats wrong with You ???? > > > > > > > > Why are you pitting KP against Equal house. what is the sense of all > > > > this exchange ???? > > > > > > > > Do You even know that you were speaking about BhavaChalit versus Equal > > > > house initially, and now jumped to KP versus Traditional ? Or was this > > > > your agenda from beforehand itself ? > > > > > > > > Who is equating Placidus with Equal house ???? > > > > > > > > I am just advocating to look at house placements of Planets from bhava > > > > chalit (For Predictions), and not what you are talking about. > > > > > > > > I am not sure whether you know even what is Bhava Chalit and how is it > > > > made use of ??? > > > > > > > > This is a senseless exchange.... > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > > astrology , "Ram Jaswal" > > > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > > > > can > > > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > > > > Placidus > > > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > > > > Equal > > > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > > > > equated > > > > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > > > astrology > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > > > > ? How > > > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > > > > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > > > > studying the > > > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > > > > they > > > > > bear a child ? > > > > > > > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > > > > recommend > > > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > > > > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, "Ram > > > Jaswal" rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > > > > recommended > > > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the "true" > > > > Bhava > > > > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > > > > e) Porphyry > > > > > > f) Alchabitius > > > > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > > > > h) Meridian > > > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > > > > j) Campanus > > > > > > k) Koch > > > > > > l) Topocentric > > > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt "Whole Sign" as House demarcation then one > > > > would be > > > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > > > > what > > > > > it > > > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > > > > ......... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > > > > to > > > > > those > > > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] On > > > Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > > > > position of > > > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > > > > Natal > > > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > > > > study > > > > > the > > > > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, > > > > Baid Amit > > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see "Shodashvarga" along with > > > > Raashi > > > > > > kundli and out of it "Saptvarga" is considered to be most important. > > > > At > > > > > the > > > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > > > > of > > > > > > plants is adjusted based on "bhav madhya". The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > > > > positions. What > > > > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > > > > follow Bhav > > > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Dear Ram Jaswal ji, I have least interest in going back on that chart. Especially do not wish to spend time searching once again for the co-ordinates for this odd uncommon place. You may contact the person directly in case you want to study the chart. His email is mentioned in the thread at several places. In case you contact him, also please remind him to put this Note on the Jyotish_Group Forum, wherein I had requested him two days ago to put it, so that the other astrologers there could learn from the real technique. But unfortunately the member did not find time to do this. And its beyond my sensibilities to ask him to do this once again. People like me are first class fools, who spend their times,knowledge and efforts which is slotted actually for working for our families, in studying charts for such people who do not have 2 minutes time to accede to our requests. Though I did appreciate that he at least gave a feedback, which 95% of them dont do again, unless they are coming back for another free plate of supper. This is a good site which should solve your problems... http://www.astro.com/atlas regards/Bhaskar. , "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal wrote:>> Namaste Bhaskarji> > Many thanks for forwarding the details ..> > Can you please forward Co-ords for Ramannapet? I seem to be getting lots of> conflicting values from Google & JHora?> > Many thanks once again and best wishes ..> > Jai Sita Ram> > Ram> > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar> 03 January 2010 05:33> > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit> > > Dear Jaswal ji,> Namaste.> The Mother nature loves you, and to answer your call, this mail came just> few minutes back in my personal id. Thus should give you a real example of> the predictions through Bhava Chalit. (The prediction was given to a member> in a Group where I am no more present).He has given me a feedback on my> reply to one of his earlier postings.> regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Gardas Gnaneshwar ggnaneshwar wrote:> > Gardas Gnaneshwar ggnaneshwar Re: Re: Return to home Country> bhaskar_jyotish Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 10:33 AM> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > Thank you for your voluble prediction on my stay at abroad.> > It seems to that my stay will continue till period you mentioned.> > I tried to leave from here but it could not happened for whatever reasons.> > Regards> Gnaneswar G> > > > _____ > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Fri, 11 January, 2008 12:42:04 PM> Re: Return to home Country> Dear Krishnamurthy ji,> > I do respect your knowledge in astrology and> do not wish to contradict you too.> > I will mention my reason for mentioning that date.> It would be Ketu subperiod.Ketu strongly represents > the 12th house and in own constellation, is> what made me choose that period for moving away from> his current place.( 12th House representation> through Bhava Chalit )> > Mercury represents the 2nd and the 11th, and the> 11th is 12th from the 12th,and breaks the positives of'> the 12th house, is why I did not choose the Budh period. > Budh placed in Suns Nakshatras strongly represents the> 1st house. Though Mercury represents the 2nd house too> of family happiness, but the 1st house significance> due to Nakshatra placements, again breaks the positives> of the 2nd house.Confirmed by transit of Saturn in this > area of 24 degrees Leo to 5 degrees Virgo crossing> Natal Budh at 3 degrees Virgo, period between April 2009 > to Sep tember 2009.> > regards,> Bhaskar.> > @> <http://in.mc954.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> > . com, Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > Please don't think that I am contradicting your statement. I > want your opinion on what I said.> > > > I felt that the native has favourable conditions to return home > in Budha AD becasue Budha sits in the nakshatra of Sun who is the > lagna lord. Lagna lord has good influence on bringing the native > back home if the native is away. Since, the native also wants to > come back, I thought due to this favoruable condition (helped by > Sun) he will be able to come back during Budha AD.> > > > Please give your opinion on my logic. It helps me to learn.> > > > Regards,> > Krishna > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > Dear Gnaneshwarji,> > > > With my limited knowledge I do not> > foreseee the homecoming in 2009. But> > only after 20th December 2011 ,> > which is why I wrote 2012. > > > > Spiritually if I assume the Birth time> > given by you as right,then it is Budh> > who is the main significator for Spiritual > > Life in Yourchart,which connects to Lord Vishnu.> > This is seen through the 5th Cusp SubLord> > who in Your case falls in Mercury .> > Even the Sun is placed in sign of Virgo> > ruled by Mercury, which confirms this.> > Budh is denoting the 2nd and the 11th house. > > With aspect of Jupiter on the 11th ,> > a strong Lagna lord Sun. Saturn and Jupier> > both aspecting each other , there is no question> > of attaining good spiritual advancement, if > > efforts are made. Your Lagna Cusp falls on 11 > > degrees, and you may notice that the Mokshakaraka > > Graha Ketu is placed within 3 degrees of this > > Lagna Cusp, which would help you> > in spiritual yearnings. Even Pooja of Lakshmiji > > would do good to you.> > > > You have the 2nd house strong which is good for> > Vak siddhi, lagna lord strong for firmness of> > convictions, Navamsha Lord in 5th of purva punya,> > the 5th ,8th and the 12th Lords connected to > > each other in close degreecal orbs, You > > would have a great interest in the Occult sciences.> > Further helped by the Atmakaraka placed in the 9th.> > > > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > @> <http://in.mc954.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> > . com, Gardas Gnaneshwar > > <ggnaneshwar@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar Ji,> > ; > > > > Thank you very much for your prediction. > > > > > > Further to your prdiction regarding my return to India I am > > confusing liitle bit like whether will I return in 2009 or in > 2012. > > Please can you clear my confusion. And I want to know how about my > > spiritual life.> > > > > > I am very much interested in this devine sceince but with my > > current job restricition not able to dedicate some time for it.> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > Gnaneswar G> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ >> > > @> <http://in.mc954.mail./mc/compose?to=%40> > . com> > > Thursday, 10 January, 2008 7:11:17 PM> > > Re: Return to home Country> > > > > > > > > Dear Gnanaeshwar ji,> > > > > > Nutshell ( Future) -> > > > > > April 2009 to december 2011 would be a very good period for> > > Finance and gains. ( Fulfillment of desires).> > > > > > Year 2012 would be the Year, You should be in India, for good,> > > Which means you should settle down for good after this period,> > > in India. > > > > > > Current (Present) -> > > > > > The presen period uptil April 2009 is good for> > > Job, but not so good for health, which would trouble you,> > > but not serious at anytime. september 1st to September 15th> > > 2008 is the period to be cautious with regards to health. > > > > > > The next 4 months may be trying for you, and may want you> > > to come back to India and effect the shift permanently.> > > In fa ct there is good chance for you to be in India in this > > period..> > > > > > June 2008 to November 2008 is a good time for returns through> > > Profession , but not so good for health. ( Normal Ill health)> > > > > > From November 2008 onwards take care of Heart. Must> > > not develop any problems like BP etc leading to heart trouble.> > > > > > Your chart is very good otherwise . Strong Sun in own Sign> > > as the Lagna Lord.> > > Exalted Mercury.> > > Venus in own sign.> > > > > > You must do the upayes for Saturn ,like Hanuman Chalisa daily,> > > visiting temple on saturday and offering tel (Oil), feeding> > > food to poor old beggars etc.> > > " Aditya Hrdyam" must be recited daily for The Sun God.> > > > > > best wishes,> > > bhaskar.> > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > < bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > Is Ramanapeth and " Ramanaguda ",> > > > the same place ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Gardas Gnaneshwar > > > > <ggnaneshwar@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji,> > > > > > > > > > I am doing a job in IT Company as IT Engineer. I have passed > > my > > > > Diploma in Computers.> > > > > I am basically troubling with Daibetes since 10 years and am > > not > > > > able to manage with this alone in foreign land.> > > > > > > > > > I am trying to come back but it is not happening to me.> > > > > Hence I sought the prediction about this> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > & g t; > Gnaneswar G> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ >> > > > > > > > > > Thursday, 10 January, 2008 5:22:29 PM> > > > > Re: Return to home Country> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gardasji,> > > > > > > > > > While appreciating your approach to me for the Query,> > > > > I wish to say that I need further details from you, as do not> > > > > possess a crystal Ball to gaze upon and see everything, > > neither > > > > > have so much spare time on hand to study the chart in full > > > > > entirety to know about you, It would be very kind of you to > > > > > help me with your inputs as to what trouble you are> > ; > > > facing at the moment, as to thinking> > > > > of leaving HongKong and coming back to india. > > > > > What job are you into and your academic qualifications ?> > > > > All this information saves me the trouble to see the other> > > > > matters, and I can just concentrate on the main Query,> > > > > when I have these.> > > > > > > > > > kind regards,> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > , "Gnaneshwar" > > > > <ggnaneshwar@ ....> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > Please could you give the prediction about my return to > home > > > > > country > > > > > > and future position of my job.> > > > > > > > > > > > Presently I am working in Hongkong and here my birth > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 05th Sep 1970> > > > > > POB: Ramannapet ( Nalgonda DT.)> > > > > > TOB: 05:31 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards> > > > > > Gardas> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. 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Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Dear Amit ji, Since shodashvargas are mentioned by Parashar, there must be logic 100% therein. Its just that the knowledge and applicability of this logic is elusive to most of us. Shodashvargas is actually sonography of the Physical body. sonography gives one a detailed view of the area we are looking for. So does shodashvargas. The logoc therefore, is that, Shodashvargas are an extended view of the Geographical Map of India (Natal Chart), and one who knows to read this extended view is better equipped then a person who can just point out the Map of India and its contours. Just like the navamsha positions do not confirm to reality, but are very informative in inference giving, just like the Horizon where we see the Sky and ocean meet is not a reality, but tells us the exact degree and time of sunriese and Sunset, which is so much essential for other hundreds of outputs, in same way Shodashvargas have their own utility. What utility - we need space and time to discuss, but utility is there undoubetdly. regards, Bhaskar. , Baid Amit <amit.baid wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > > One of the questions in this discussion still remains unanswered: > Rashi and Bhavchalit are there.... its real, whereas rest of the divisions are merely calculation. They dont practically confer to reality. > What is the logic of using shodashvargas? What are/must have been the scientific basis of having such divisions? > > Sincerely yours, > > Amit Baid > > > > ________________________________ > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > Sat, 2 January, 2010 11:14:24 PM > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > Dear dev ji, > > agreed.. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > Bhaskar ji, > > > > To add on to your post since we are discussing both Shodasvarga & Bhava Chalit. > > Even if Lagna lord and 11th house has not been shifted in Bhava and form Raja yoga being in 11th in Bhava, all the people with that combination would not get Great Dhan unless supported by Shodasvarga. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jaswal sahab, > > > > > > giving benefit of doubts, let me explain in short. For details you may please search the previous posts written by me on this Forum. > > > > > > Suppose one notices The lagna Lord placed in the 11th house of the Horoscope alongwith the 11th lord, forming a Great Dhan(Raj)Yoga, but in actual real life you notice the person being a pauper, then check the Bhava chalit Chart. You will notice the lagnaLord alongwith the 11th lord having been shifted to the 12th house in the Bhava Chart. This explains why that man is a pauper. > > > > > > That is the simple explanation of what the Bhava Chalkit shows. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Devji & Baskarji > > > > > > > > I have already made it clear that I have No desires in discussing the merits > > > > or misgivings of KP v/s Traditional - All I am trying to ascertain is How > > > > one can gleam information from the Bhava Chalit chart (which is given by > > > > Most Vedic software programs) that can't be otherwise got from D1? After All > > > > Majority of Vedic Astrologers consider D1 as a Bhava Chart!! > > > > > > > > I am very much aware of the Bhava Chalit chart though must confess it's > > > > " exact/usefulness " eludes me ... > > > > > > > > I hope this is clear enough? Feel free in taking Any Charts .. > > > > > > > > Many thanks and best wishes .. > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of axeplex > > > > 02 January 2010 08:32 > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Shodashvarga/ Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji and Ramji, > > > > > > > > While I was expecting some exciting discussion on the subject, it is going > > > > on KP v/s traditional. In my personal opinion, KP and traditional shall not > > > > be mixed. If we are discussing and analysing based on traditional, we shall > > > > not bring placidious house concept, though looking at Bhava chalit for house > > > > placement in traditional is same as in KP. > > > > > > > > Now, going back to first mail where topic started, Shodasvargas need to be > > > > followed for looking specific matters since all persons born in particular > > > > Ascendant window of Rashi chart may experience different results.And as > > > > Bhasksrji pointed Bhava chalit and Rasi both have their own significance. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arre Bhai Jaswal sahab, > > > > > > > > > > Whats wrong with You ???? > > > > > > > > > > Why are you pitting KP against Equal house. what is the sense of all > > > > > this exchange ???? > > > > > > > > > > Do You even know that you were speaking about BhavaChalit versus Equal > > > > > house initially, and now jumped to KP versus Traditional ? Or was this > > > > > your agenda from beforehand itself ? > > > > > > > > > > Who is equating Placidus with Equal house ???? > > > > > > > > > > I am just advocating to look at house placements of Planets from bhava > > > > > chalit (For Predictions) , and not what you are talking about. > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure whether you know even what is Bhava Chalit and how is it > > > > > made use of ??? > > > > > > > > > > This is a senseless exchange..... > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " Ram Jaswal " > > > > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > > > > > can > > > > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > > > > > Placidus > > > > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > > > > > Equal > > > > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > > > > > equated > > > > > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com > > > > > > [ancient_ indian_ > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Shodashvarga/ Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > > > > > ? How > > > > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > > > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > > > > > studying the > > > > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > > > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > > > > > they > > > > > > bear a child ? > > > > > > > > > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > > > > > recommend > > > > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > > > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. com> ps.com, " Ram > > > > Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > > > > > e) Porphyry > > > > > > > f) Alchabitius > > > > > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > > > > > h) Meridian > > > > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > > > > > j) Campanus > > > > > > > k) Koch > > > > > > > l) Topocentric > > > > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > > > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one > > > > > would be > > > > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > > > > > what > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > > > > > ......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > > > > > to > > > > > > those > > > > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. com> ps.com > > > > > > > [ancient_ indian_ > > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. com> ps.com] On > > > > Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40.. com> ps.com > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Shodashvarga/ Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > > > > > position of > > > > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > > > > > study > > > > > > the > > > > > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. com> ps.com, > > > > > Baid Amit > > > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > > > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with > > > > > Raashi > > > > > > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. > > > > > At > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > > > > > of > > > > > > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > > > > > positions. What > > > > > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > > > > > follow Bhav > > > > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Dear Bhaskar ji,Thank you!Sincerely yours,Amit BaidBhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Mon, 4 January, 2010 4:41:21 PM Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit Dear Amit ji, Since shodashvargas are mentioned by Parashar, there must be logic 100% therein. Its just that the knowledge and applicability of this logic is elusive to most of us. Shodashvargas is actually sonography of the Physical body. sonography gives one a detailed view of the area we are looking for. So does shodashvargas. The logoc therefore, is that, Shodashvargas are an extended view of the Geographical Map of India (Natal Chart), and one who knows to read this extended view is better equipped then a person who can just point out the Map of India and its contours. Just like the navamsha positions do not confirm to reality, but are very informative in inference giving, just like the Horizon where we see the Sky and ocean meet is not a reality, but tells us the exact degree and time of sunriese and Sunset, which is so much essential for other hundreds of outputs, in same way Shodashvargas have their own utility. What utility - we need space and time to discuss, but utility is there undoubetdly. regards, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Baid Amit <amit.baid@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > > One of the questions in this discussion still remains unanswered: > Rashi and Bhavchalit are there.... its real, whereas rest of the divisions are merely calculation. They dont practically confer to reality. > What is the logic of using shodashvargas? What are/must have been the scientific basis of having such divisions? > > Sincerely yours, > > Amit Baid > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sat, 2 January, 2010 11:14:24 PM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Shodashvarga/ Bhav Chalit > > > Dear dev ji, > > agreed.. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > Bhaskar ji, > > > > To add on to your post since we are discussing both Shodasvarga & Bhava Chalit. > > Even if Lagna lord and 11th house has not been shifted in Bhava and form Raja yoga being in 11th in Bhava, all the people with that combination would not get Great Dhan unless supported by Shodasvarga. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jaswal sahab, > > > > > > giving benefit of doubts, let me explain in short. For details you may please search the previous posts written by me on this Forum. > > > > > > Suppose one notices The lagna Lord placed in the 11th house of the Horoscope alongwith the 11th lord, forming a Great Dhan(Raj)Yoga, but in actual real life you notice the person being a pauper, then check the Bhava chalit Chart. You will notice the lagnaLord alongwith the 11th lord having been shifted to the 12th house in the Bhava Chart. This explains why that man is a pauper. > > > > > > That is the simple explanation of what the Bhava Chalkit shows. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Devji & Baskarji > > > > > > > > I have already made it clear that I have No desires in discussing the merits > > > > or misgivings of KP v/s Traditional - All I am trying to ascertain is How > > > > one can gleam information from the Bhava Chalit chart (which is given by > > > > Most Vedic software programs) that can't be otherwise got from D1? After All > > > > Majority of Vedic Astrologers consider D1 as a Bhava Chart!! > > > > > > > > I am very much aware of the Bhava Chalit chart though must confess it's > > > > "exact/usefulness" eludes me ... > > > > > > > > I hope this is clear enough? Feel free in taking Any Charts .. > > > > > > > > Many thanks and best wishes ... > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > [ancient_ indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of axeplex > > > > 02 January 2010 08:32 > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Shodashvarga/ Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji and Ramji, > > > > > > > > While I was expecting some exciting discussion on the subject, it is going > > > > on KP v/s traditional. In my personal opinion, KP and traditional shall not > > > > be mixed. If we are discussing and analysing based on traditional, we shall > > > > not bring placidious house concept, though looking at Bhava chalit for house > > > > placement in traditional is same as in KP. > > > > > > > > Now, going back to first mail where topic started, Shodasvargas need to be > > > > followed for looking specific matters since all persons born in particular > > > > Ascendant window of Rashi chart may experience different results.And as > > > > Bhasksrji pointed Bhava chalit and Rasi both have their own significance.. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arre Bhai Jaswal sahab, > > > > > > > > > > Whats wrong with You ???? > > > > > > > > > > Why are you pitting KP against Equal house. what is the sense of all > > > > > this exchange ???? > > > > > > > > > > Do You even know that you were speaking about BhavaChalit versus Equal > > > > > house initially, and now jumped to KP versus Traditional ? Or was this > > > > > your agenda from beforehand itself ? > > > > > > > > > > Who is equating Placidus with Equal house ???? > > > > > > > > > > I am just advocating to look at house placements of Planets from bhava > > > > > chalit (For Predictions) , and not what you are talking about. > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure whether you know even what is Bhava Chalit and how is it > > > > > made use of ??? > > > > > > > > > > This is a senseless exchange.... . > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, "Ram Jaswal" > > > > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > > > > > can > > > > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > > > > > Placidus > > > > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > > > > > Equal > > > > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > > > > > equated > > > > > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com > > > > > > [ancient_ indian_ > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Shodashvarga/ Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > > > > > ? How > > > > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > > > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > > > > > studying the > > > > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > > > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > > > > > they > > > > > > bear a child ? > > > > > > > > > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > > > > > recommend > > > > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > > > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. com> ps.com, "Ram > > > > Jaswal" rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the "true" > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > > > > > e) Porphyry > > > > > > > f) Alchabitius > > > > > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > > > > > h) Meridian > > > > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > > > > > j) Campanus > > > > > > > k) Koch > > > > > > > l) Topocentric > > > > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > > > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt "Whole Sign" as House demarcation then one > > > > > would be > > > > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > > > > > what > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > > > > > ......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > > > > > to > > > > > > those > > > > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. com> ps.com > > > > > > > [ancient_ indian_ > > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. com> ps.com] On > > > > Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. . com> ps.com > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Shodashvarga/ Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > > > > > position of > > > > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > > > > > study > > > > > > the > > > > > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. com> ps.com, > > > > > Baid Amit > > > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > > > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see "Shodashvarga" along with > > > > > Raashi > > > > > > > kundli and out of it "Saptvarga" is considered to be most important. > > > > > At > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > > > > > of > > > > > > > plants is adjusted based on "bhav madhya". The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > > > > > positions. What > > > > > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > > > > > follow Bhav > > > > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Amitji, Shodasvargas are defined in ancient stuff and personally I use all of the divisional charts. In brief, whether Amsas are used or virtual D-chart, idea is to break the window of two hours ASC to identify which area an individual shall be affected. Rasi/ Bhava shall only give high level overview. regds Dev , Baid Amit <amit.baid wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > > One of the questions in this discussion still remains unanswered: > Rashi and Bhavchalit are there.... its real, whereas rest of the divisions are merely calculation. They dont practically confer to reality. > What is the logic of using shodashvargas? What are/must have been the scientific basis of having such divisions? > > Sincerely yours, > > Amit Baid > > > > ________________________________ > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > Sat, 2 January, 2010 11:14:24 PM > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > Dear dev ji, > > agreed.. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > Bhaskar ji, > > > > To add on to your post since we are discussing both Shodasvarga & Bhava Chalit. > > Even if Lagna lord and 11th house has not been shifted in Bhava and form Raja yoga being in 11th in Bhava, all the people with that combination would not get Great Dhan unless supported by Shodasvarga. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jaswal sahab, > > > > > > giving benefit of doubts, let me explain in short. For details you may please search the previous posts written by me on this Forum. > > > > > > Suppose one notices The lagna Lord placed in the 11th house of the Horoscope alongwith the 11th lord, forming a Great Dhan(Raj)Yoga, but in actual real life you notice the person being a pauper, then check the Bhava chalit Chart. You will notice the lagnaLord alongwith the 11th lord having been shifted to the 12th house in the Bhava Chart. This explains why that man is a pauper. > > > > > > That is the simple explanation of what the Bhava Chalkit shows. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Devji & Baskarji > > > > > > > > I have already made it clear that I have No desires in discussing the merits > > > > or misgivings of KP v/s Traditional - All I am trying to ascertain is How > > > > one can gleam information from the Bhava Chalit chart (which is given by > > > > Most Vedic software programs) that can't be otherwise got from D1? After All > > > > Majority of Vedic Astrologers consider D1 as a Bhava Chart!! > > > > > > > > I am very much aware of the Bhava Chalit chart though must confess it's > > > > " exact/usefulness " eludes me ... > > > > > > > > I hope this is clear enough? Feel free in taking Any Charts .. > > > > > > > > Many thanks and best wishes .. > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of axeplex > > > > 02 January 2010 08:32 > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Shodashvarga/ Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji and Ramji, > > > > > > > > While I was expecting some exciting discussion on the subject, it is going > > > > on KP v/s traditional. In my personal opinion, KP and traditional shall not > > > > be mixed. If we are discussing and analysing based on traditional, we shall > > > > not bring placidious house concept, though looking at Bhava chalit for house > > > > placement in traditional is same as in KP. > > > > > > > > Now, going back to first mail where topic started, Shodasvargas need to be > > > > followed for looking specific matters since all persons born in particular > > > > Ascendant window of Rashi chart may experience different results.And as > > > > Bhasksrji pointed Bhava chalit and Rasi both have their own significance. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arre Bhai Jaswal sahab, > > > > > > > > > > Whats wrong with You ???? > > > > > > > > > > Why are you pitting KP against Equal house. what is the sense of all > > > > > this exchange ???? > > > > > > > > > > Do You even know that you were speaking about BhavaChalit versus Equal > > > > > house initially, and now jumped to KP versus Traditional ? Or was this > > > > > your agenda from beforehand itself ? > > > > > > > > > > Who is equating Placidus with Equal house ???? > > > > > > > > > > I am just advocating to look at house placements of Planets from bhava > > > > > chalit (For Predictions) , and not what you are talking about. > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure whether you know even what is Bhava Chalit and how is it > > > > > made use of ??? > > > > > > > > > > This is a senseless exchange..... > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " Ram Jaswal " > > > > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate your KP stance though can't see How the Placidus system > > > > > can > > > > > > possibly be equated to Equal House (whole Sign) particularly when > > > > > Placidus > > > > > > Houses can incorporate 2 or more Signs in them hence loosing some > > > > > Equal > > > > > > House Lords completely? Just How is the Father (Equal House) being > > > > > equated > > > > > > to the Wife (Placidus)? > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow each to their own ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards .. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com > > > > > > [ancient_ indian_ > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > > 31 December 2009 13:49 > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > astrology@grou ps.com > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Shodashvarga/ Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows how to use all these Bhava Chalita variations presented here > > > > > ? How > > > > > > many know to use all of these effectively ? So wheres the question of > > > > > > recommendations without having studied any of these ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Equal House(Whole sign) system is not to be removed when one is > > > > > studying the > > > > > > Bhava Chalita Chart. It is an integral part in the study > > > > > > of Astrology. If one removes the Father from his wife, then how will > > > > > they > > > > > > bear a child ? > > > > > > > > > > > > And one must talk through experience, which I am talking when I > > > > > recommend > > > > > > all predictions to be made from Bhava chalita. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shripathy is not easy to follow by the way by every Tom Dick and Harry > > > > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > > > > > > > I recommend the Placidus Bhava Chalit for accuracy in predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. com> ps.com, " Ram > > > > Jaswal " rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With so many different Bhava Chalit variations available - each > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > by their own followers who can truly say what should be the " true " > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > Chalit to be deployed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To name just a few : > > > > > > > a) Whole sign - followed by Majority Vedic followers > > > > > > > b) Equal House - taking Asc as Mid-point > > > > > > > c) The MC in Whole Sign & Equal House Systems > > > > > > > d) Sriparti - followed by some Vedic followers > > > > > > > e) Porphyry > > > > > > > f) Alchabitius > > > > > > > g) Regiomontanus > > > > > > > h) Meridian > > > > > > > i) Placidus - followed by KP followers > > > > > > > j) Campanus > > > > > > > k) Koch > > > > > > > l) Topocentric > > > > > > > m) Neo-Porphyry > > > > > > > n) Krusinski > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one doesn't adopt " Whole Sign " as House demarcation then one > > > > > would be > > > > > > > unable to make or use the Various D-House charts on offer hence for > > > > > what > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is worth I would whole heartedly Only recommend this method > > > > > ......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone regarding the New Year and may it bring joy > > > > > to > > > > > > those > > > > > > > that have had a difficult 2009 year ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. com> ps.com > > > > > > > [ancient_ indian_ > > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. com> ps.com] On > > > > Behalf Of Bhaskar > > > > > > > 31 December 2009 09:31 > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40.. com> ps.com > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Shodashvarga/ Bhav Chalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //It seems logical to follow Bhav Chalit as this is the real > > > > > position of > > > > > > > plants in anyone's horoscope.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one needs to do generalisations then one must study the normal > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > Khokha Kundli. But if one wishes to actually predict, then please > > > > > study > > > > > > the > > > > > > > BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > > astrology@grou <astrology% 40. com> ps.com, > > > > > Baid Amit > > > > > > <amit.baid@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in astrology and would appreciate if this learned > > > > > > > fraternity can explain following query: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In vedic system, we are taught to see " Shodashvarga " along with > > > > > Raashi > > > > > > > kundli and out of it " Saptvarga " is considered to be most important. > > > > > At > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same time, I have also read about Bhav Chalit in which the position > > > > > of > > > > > > > plants is adjusted based on " bhav madhya " . The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Except Raashi, rest of the shodashvarga are imaginary > > > > > positions. What > > > > > > > is the logic behind seeing them? > > > > > > > > b) Should one see Raashi or Bhav Chalit? It seems logical to > > > > > follow Bhav > > > > > > > Chalit as this is the real position of plants in anyone's horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amit Baid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > Homepage. > > > > > > > http://in.. <http://in.. <http://in.. > > > > <http://in.. com/> com/> com/> com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > > > > > 12/30/09 > > > > > > > 07:27:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: > > > > > 12/31/09 > > > > > > 08:52:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg..com > > > > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2597 - Release Date: 01/02/10 > > > > 08:22:00 > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Namaste Bhaskarji Thanks for the suggestion and “atlas” link – I hope you won’t mind my coming back to you regarding any clarifications? Best wishes as ever …. Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Bhaskar 04 January 2010 09:43 Subject: Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit Dear Ram Jaswal ji, I have least interest in going back on that chart. Especially do not wish to spend time searching once again for the co-ordinates for this odd uncommon place. You may contact the person directly in case you want to study the chart. His email is mentioned in the thread at several places. In case you contact him, also please remind him to put this Note on the Jyotish_Group Forum, wherein I had requested him two days ago to put it, so that the other astrologers there could learn from the real technique. But unfortunately the member did not find time to do this. And its beyond my sensibilities to ask him to do this once again. People like me are first class fools, who spend their times,knowledge and efforts which is slotted actually for working for our families, in studying charts for such people who do not have 2 minutes time to accede to our requests. Though I did appreciate that he at least gave a feedback, which 95% of them dont do again, unless they are coming back for another free plate of supper. This is a good site which should solve your problems... http://www.astro.com/atlas regards/Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Bhaskarji > > Many thanks for forwarding the details .. > > Can you please forward Co-ords for Ramannapet? I seem to be getting lots of > conflicting values from Google & JHora? > > Many thanks once again and best wishes .. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar > 03 January 2010 05:33 > > Re: Shodashvarga/Bhav Chalit > > > Dear Jaswal ji, > Namaste. > The Mother nature loves you, and to answer your call, this mail came just > few m inutes back in my personal id. Thus should give you a real example of > the predictions through Bhava Chalit. (The prediction was given to a member > in a Group where I am no more present).He has given me a feedback on my > reply to one of his earlier postings. > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/1/10, Gardas Gnaneshwar ggnaneshwar wrote: > > Gardas Gnaneshwar ggnaneshwar > Re: Re: Return to home Country > bhaskar_jyotish > Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 10:33 AM > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Thank you for your voluble prediction on my stay at abroad. > > It seems to that my stay will continue till period you mentioned. > > I tried to leave from here but it could not happened for whatever reasons. > > Regards > Gnaneswar G > > > > _____ > < BR>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > > Fri, 11 January, 2008 12:42:04 PM > Re: Return to home Country > Dear Krishnamurthy ji, > > I do respect your knowledge in astrology and > do not wish to contradict you too. > > I will mention my reason for mentioning that date. > It would be Ketu subperiod.Ketu strongly represents > the 12th house and in own constellation, is > what made me choose that period for moving away from > his current place.( 12th House representation > through Bhava Chalit ) > > Mercury represents the 2nd and the 11th, and the > 11th is 12th from the 12th,and breaks the positives of' > the 12th house, is why I did not choose the Budh period. > Budh placed in Suns Nakshatras strongly represents the > 1st house. Though Mercury represents the 2nd house too > of family happiness, but the 1st house significance > due to Nakshatra placements, again breaks the positives > of the 2nd house.Confirmed by transit of Saturn in this > area of 24 degrees Leo to 5 degrees Virgo crossing > Natal Budh at 3 degrees Virgo, period between April 2009 > to Sep tember 2009. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > @ > <http://in.mc954.mail./mc/compose?to=%40 > > . com, Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > Please don't think that I am contradicting your statement. I > want your opinion on what I said. > > > > I felt that the native has favourable conditions to return home > in Budha AD becasue Budha sits in the nakshatra of Sun who is the > lagna lord. Lagna lord has good influence on bringing the native > back home if the native is away. Since, the native also wants to > come back, I thought due to this favoruable condition (helped by > Sun) he will be able to come back during Budha AD. > > > > Please give your opinion on my logic. It helps me to learn. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Gnaneshwarji, > > > > With my limited knowledge I do not > > foreseee the homecoming in 2009. But > > only after 20th December 2011 , > > which is why I wrote 2012. > > > > Spiritually if I assume the Birth time > > given by you as right,then it is Budh > > who is the main significator for Spiritual > > Life in Yourchart,which connects to Lord Vishnu. > > This is seen through the 5th Cusp SubLord > > ; who in Your case falls in Mercury . > > Even the Sun is placed in sign of Virgo > > ruled by Mercury, which confirms this. > > Budh is denoting the 2nd and the 11th house. > > With aspect of Jupiter on the 11th , > > a strong Lagna lord Sun. Saturn and Jupier > > both aspecting each other , there is no question > > of attaining good spiritual advancement, if > > efforts are made. Your Lagna Cusp falls on 11 > > degrees, and you may notice that the Mokshakaraka > > Graha Ketu is placed within 3 degrees of this > > Lagna Cusp, which would help you > > in spiritual yearnings. Even Pooja of Lakshmiji > > would do good to you. > > > > You have the 2nd house strong which is good for > > Vak siddhi, lagna lord strong for firmness of > > convictions, Navamsha Lord in 5th of purva punya, > > the 5th ,8th and the 12th Lords c onnected to > > each other in close degreecal orbs, You > > would have a great interest in the Occult sciences. > > Further helped by the Atmakaraka placed in the 9th. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > @ > <http://in.mc954.mail./mc/compose?to=%40 > > . com, Gardas Gnaneshwar > > <ggnaneshwar@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > ; > > > > Thank you very much for your prediction. > > > > > > Further to your prdiction regarding my return to India I am > > confusing liitle bit like whether will I return in 2009 or in > 2012. > > Please can you clear my confusion. And I want to know how about my > > spiritual life. > > > > > > I am very much i nterested in this devine sceince but with my > > current job restricition not able to dedicate some time for it. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Gnaneswar G > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > @ > <http://in.mc954.mail./mc/compose?to=%40 > > . com > > > Thursday, 10 January, 2008 7:11:17 PM > > > Re: Return to home Country > > > > > > > > > Dear Gnanaeshwar ji, > > > > > > Nutshell ( Future) - > > > > > > April 2009 to december 2011 would be a very good period for > > > Finance and gains. ( Fulfillment of desires). > > & gt; > > > Year 2012 would be the Year, You should be in India, for good, > > > Which means you should settle down for good after this period, > > > in India. > > > > > > Current (Present) - > > > > > > The presen period uptil April 2009 is good for > > > Job, but not so good for health, which would trouble you, > > > but not serious at anytime. september 1st to September 15th > > > 2008 is the period to be cautious with regards to health. > > > > > > The next 4 months may be trying for you, and may want you > > > to come back to India and effect the shift permanently. > > > In fa ct there is good chance for you to be in India in this > > period.. > > > > > > June 2008 to November 2008 is a good time for returns through > > > Profession , but not so good for health. ( Normal Ill health) > > > > > > From November 2008 onwards take care of Heart. Must > > > not develop any problems like BP etc leading to heart trouble. > > > > > > Your chart is very good otherwise . Strong Sun in own Sign > > > as the Lagna Lord. > > > Exalted Mercury. > > > Venus in own sign. > > > > > > You must do the upayes for Saturn ,like Hanuman Chalisa daily, > > > visiting temple on saturday and offering tel (Oil), feeding > > > food to poor old beggars etc. > > > " Aditya Hrdyam " must be recited daily for The Sun God. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > bhaskar. > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > < bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > & gt; > > > > Is Ramanapeth and " Ramanaguda " , > > > > the same place ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Gardas Gnaneshwar > > > > <ggnaneshwar@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > > > > > > > > I am doing a job in IT Company as IT Engineer. I have passed > > my > > > > Diploma in Computers. > > > > > I am basically troubling with Daibetes since 10 years and am > > not > > > > able to manage with this alone in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to come back but it is not happening to me. > > > > > Hence I sought the prediction about this > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > ; > & g t; > Gnaneswar G > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, 10 January, 2008 5:22:29 PM > > > > > Re: Return to home Country > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gardasji, > > > > > > > > > > While appreciating your approach to me for the Query, > > > > > I wish to say that I need further details from you, as do not > > > > > possess a crystal Ball to gaze upon and see everything, > > neither > > > > > have so much spare time on hand to study the chart in full > > > > > entirety to know about you, It would be ver y kind of you to > > > > > help me with your inputs as to what trouble you are > > ; > > > facing at the moment, as to thinking > > > > > of leaving HongKong and coming back to india. > > > > > What job are you into and your academic qualifications ? > > > > > All this information saves me the trouble to see the other > > > > > matters, and I can just concentrate on the main Query, > > > > > when I have these. > > > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " Gnaneshwar " > > > > <ggnaneshwar@ ....> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ple ase could you give the prediction about my return to > home > > > > > country > > > > > > and future position of my job. > > > > > > > > > > > > Presently I am working in Hongkong and here my birth > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 05th Sep 1970 > > > > > > POB: Ramannapet ( Nalgonda DT.) > > > > > > TOB: 05:31 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > Gardas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. 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