Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Dear Rajaashish Ji;Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant;as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a note on it. hope it helps. Jupiter in house no.7 This position is better in the horoscope of females than males.Gets some post with authority in some religious or social institution.the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook.generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise he is cremated at his birth place.journeys are fruitful for him.the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune.disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes smoother.when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with large family and good wealth.when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined, when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45.when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrologywhen house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion.mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after recognization in religious fields in young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad condition in old age.when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have to labour manually.when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or supports him.when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty.when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury, Saturn, and in malefic capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself turns into a failure.in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him or at his place. Regards Kulbir Bains---------- Original message ----------"raiaashish"< raiaashish >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 Lalkitab - Jupiter Kulbirji Namaskar, Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by bhaskarji in this forum). Regards, Aashish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Dear Kulbirji,Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2 possibilities for lagna.1. Lal kitab kundali 1st house – Mars and Venus 2nd house – Vacant 3rd House – Saturn 4th house- Vacant 5th House- Vacant 6th House- Rahu 7th House- Jupiter 8th House- Moon 9th house- Vacant 10th House- Vacant 11th House – Sun 12th House- Mer, Ketu 2. Lal kitab kundali 1st House- Mer, Ketu 2nd house – Mars and Venus 3nd house – Vacant 4th House – Saturn 5th house- Vacant 6th House- Vacant 7th House- Rahu 8th House- Jupiter 9th House- Moon 10th house- Vacant 11th House- Vacant 12th House – Sun I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. Aashish kulbir bains <kulbirbains Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PMRe: Lalkitab - Jupiter Dear Rajaashish Ji;Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant;as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a note on it. hope it helps. Jupiter in house no.7 This position is better in the horoscope of females than males.Gets some post with authority in some religious or social institution.the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook.generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise he is cremated at his birth place.journeys are fruitful for him.the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune.disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes smoother.when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with large family and good wealth.when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined, when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45.when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrologywhen house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion.mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after recognization in religious fields in young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad condition in old age.when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have to labour manually.when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or supports him.when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty.when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury, Saturn, and in malefic capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself turns into a failure.in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him or at his place. Regards Kulbir Bains---------- Original message ----------"raiaashish"< raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in >28 Dec 09 07:17:29[ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiterancient_indian_ astrology Kulbirji Namaskar, Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by bhaskarji in this forum). Regards, Aashish The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Dear Ashish ji; if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that will help you. lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the time of your birth. 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking etc. 3. study of your house. 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you strengthened by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little knowledge i have. Regards Kulbir Bains , aashish rai <raiaashish wrote: > > Dear Kulbirji, > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus > 2nd house †" Vacant > 3rd House †" Saturn > 4th house- Vacant > 5th House- Vacant > 6th House- Rahu > 7th House- Jupiter > 8th House- Moon > 9th house- Vacant > 10th House- Vacant > 11th House †" Sun > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus > 3nd house †" Vacant > 4th House †" Saturn > 5th house- Vacant > 6th House- Vacant > 7th House- Rahu > 8th House- Jupiter > 9th House- Moon > 10th house- Vacant > 11th House- Vacant > 12th House †" Sun > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > Aashish > ________________________________ > kulbir bains <kulbirbains > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a note on it. hope it helps. > > Jupiter in house no.7 > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males. > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social institution. > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise he is cremated at his birth place. > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune. > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes smoother. > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with large family and good wealth. > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined, > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45. > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion. > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad condition in old age. > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have to labour manually. > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or supports him. > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty. > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself turns into a failure. > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him or at his place. > > Regards > Kulbir Bains > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by bhaskarji in this forum). > > > >>Regards, > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Dear Ashish ji, //Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am.// What do You mean by " Bhaskarji has indicated" ? I have not indicated. I have proved it to you that it is right. How many Astrologers in india can do this for You even if you pay them a Lakh of Rupees ? They cannot do it, because they are not all capable of doing this . I ask any astrologer to dissaprove my given birth timings . But again they were silent when you asked in the Group about your Birth time, so what right they have now to dissaprove? Please understand that You have been given the right information coming from accurate precesion use of astrological principles, and any doubts about it, is not going to serve any purpose. Bhaskar. , "kulbir" <kulbirbains wrote:>> Dear Ashish ji;> if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that will help you.> lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps> 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the time of your birth.> 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking etc.> 3. study of your house.> 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you strengthened by your actions and what planets you have spoiled.> > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little knowledge i have.> Regards> Kulbir Bains> > > , aashish rai raiaashish@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbirji,> > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2 possibilities for lagna.> > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali> > > > 1st house â€" Mars and Venus> > 2nd house â€" Vacant> > 3rd House â€" Saturn> > 4th house- Vacant> > 5th House- Vacant> > 6th House- Rahu> > 7th House- Jupiter> > 8th House- Moon> > 9th house- Vacant> > 10th House- Vacant> > 11th House â€" Sun> > 12th House- Mer, Ketu> > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali> > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu> > 2nd house â€" Mars and Venus> > 3nd house â€" Vacant> > 4th House â€" Saturn> > 5th house- Vacant> > 6th House- Vacant> > 7th House- Rahu> > 8th House- Jupiter> > 9th House- Moon> > 10th house- Vacant> > 11th House- Vacant> > 12th House â€" Sun> > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > Aashish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > kulbir bains kulbirbains@> > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM> > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter> > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji;> > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant;> > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a note on it. hope it helps.> > > > Jupiter in house no.7> > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males.> > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social institution.> > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook.> > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise he is cremated at his birth place.> > 5. journeys are fruitful for him.> > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune.> > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes smoother.> > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with large family and good wealth.> > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined, > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45.> > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology> > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion.> > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad condition in old age.> > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have to labour manually.> > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or supports him.> > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty.> > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself turns into a failure.> > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him or at his place.> > > > Regards> > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ----------> > >"raiaashish"< raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in >> > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter> > >ancient_indian_ astrology> > >> > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar,> > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are:> > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by bhaskarji in this forum).> > >> > >>Regards,> > >>Aashish> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Before flitting from one astrologer to another, and asking about Lagna confirmations, first dissapprove the hard work done by somebody on Your Birth, and then you are welcome to ask for further info. We must be "Men" and not "butterflies". You are being utterly ungrateful when you ask someone to confirm what another has alfready confirmed for You. prove the previous confirmation as wrong astrologically and then talk. The problem these days , is that whatever is received for free, does not have much value.. Bhaskar. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Ashish ji,> > //Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04> am.//> > What do You mean by " Bhaskarji has indicated" ?> > I have not indicated. I have proved it to you that it is right. How> many Astrologers in india can do this for You even if you pay them a> Lakh of Rupees ? They cannot do it, because they are not all capable of> doing this .> > I ask any astrologer to dissaprove my given birth timings .> > But again they were silent when you asked in the Group about your Birth> time, so what right they have now to dissaprove?> > Please understand that You have been given the right information coming> from accurate precesion use of astrological principles, and any doubts> about it, is not going to serve any purpose.> > Bhaskar.> > > > > , "kulbir"> kulbirbains@ wrote:> >> > Dear Ashish ji;> > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that> will help you.> > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps> > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the time> of your birth.> > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking> etc.> > 3. study of your house.> > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you strengthened> by your actions and what planets you have spoiled.> >> > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then> also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever> little knowledge i have.> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains> >> >> > , aashish rai> raiaashish@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kulbirji,> > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply.> My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the> place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji> has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the> following are the 2 possibilities for lagna.> > >> > > 1. Lal kitab kundali> > >> > > 1st house â€" Mars and Venus> > > 2nd house â€" Vacant> > > 3rd House â€" Saturn> > > 4th house- Vacant> > > 5th House- Vacant> > > 6th House- Rahu> > > 7th House- Jupiter> > > 8th House- Moon> > > 9th house- Vacant> > > 10th House- Vacant> > > 11th House â€" Sun> > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu> > >> > > 2. Lal kitab kundali> > >> > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu> > > 2nd house â€" Mars and Venus> > > 3nd house â€" Vacant> > > 4th House â€" Saturn> > > 5th house- Vacant> > > 6th House- Vacant> > > 7th House- Rahu> > > 8th House- Jupiter> > > 9th House- Moon> > > 10th house- Vacant> > > 11th House- Vacant> > > 12th House â€" Sun> > >> > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in> 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology> about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life.> > > Aashish> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ________________________________> > > kulbir bains kulbirbains@> > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM> > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter> > >> > >> > > Dear Rajaashish Ji;> > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham.> it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary> posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant;> > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a> note on it. hope it helps.> > >> > > Jupiter in house no.7> > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males.> > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social> institution.> > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It> is god for him that he retains a practical outlook.> > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise> he is cremated at his birth place.> > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him.> > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune.> > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to> hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of> son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his> life becomes smoother.> > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with> large family and good wealth.> > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined,> > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45.> > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology> > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the> native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure> that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards> religion.> > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for> religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad> phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods> to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a> false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after> recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and> doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad> condition in old age.> > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant,> the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he> shall have to labour manually.> > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native> doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also> doesn’t helps or supports him.> > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus> his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted> son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases> such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with> difficulty.> > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic> capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he> adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his> son, he himself turns into a failure.> > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him> or at his place.> > >> > > Regards> > > Kulbir Bains> > >> > >> > >> > > >---------- Original message ----------> > > >"raiaashish"< raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in >> > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29> > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter> > > >ancient_indian_ astrology> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >Kulbirji Namaskar,> > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there> are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't> have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are:> > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by> bhaskarji in this forum).> > > >> > > >>Regards,> > > >>Aashish> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> http://in./> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Dear Ashish Ji; you have indeed committed a blunder; be a gentleman; apologize to Bhaskar Ji; it hurts when someone's hard labour which is obtained through years of rigorous study is treated like this. the rectification of your birth time might seem to be a freebie to you but i know only a handful of astrologers are capable of it. and no money is sufficient to compensate it. Regards Kulbir Bains , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Before flitting from one astrologer to another, and asking about Lagna > confirmations, first dissapprove the hard work done by somebody on Your > Birth, and then you are welcome to ask for further info. > > We must be " Men " and not " butterflies " . You are being utterly > ungrateful when you ask someone to confirm what another has alfready > confirmed for You. prove the previous confirmation as wrong > astrologically and then talk. > > The problem these days , is that whatever is received for free, does not > have much value.. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji, > > > > //Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 > > am.// > > > > What do You mean by " Bhaskarji has indicated " ? > > > > I have not indicated. I have proved it to you that it is right. How > > many Astrologers in india can do this for You even if you pay them a > > Lakh of Rupees ? They cannot do it, because they are not all capable > of > > doing this . > > > > I ask any astrologer to dissaprove my given birth timings . > > > > But again they were silent when you asked in the Group about your > Birth > > time, so what right they have now to dissaprove? > > > > Please understand that You have been given the right information > coming > > from accurate precesion use of astrological principles, and any doubts > > about it, is not going to serve any purpose. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " > > kulbirbains@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that > > will help you. > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the > time > > of your birth. > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking > > etc. > > > 3. study of your house. > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you > strengthened > > by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then > > also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever > > little knowledge i have. > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > , aashish rai > > raiaashish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your > reply. > > My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and > the > > place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. > Bhaskarji > > has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the > > following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn > > > > 4th house- Vacant > > > > 5th House- Vacant > > > > 6th House- Rahu > > > > 7th House- Jupiter > > > > 8th House- Moon > > > > 9th house- Vacant > > > > 10th House- Vacant > > > > 11th House †" Sun > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant > > > > 4th House †" Saturn > > > > 5th house- Vacant > > > > 6th House- Vacant > > > > 7th House- Rahu > > > > 8th House- Jupiter > > > > 9th House- Moon > > > > 10th house- Vacant > > > > 11th House- Vacant > > > > 12th House †" Sun > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in > > 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology > > about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > kulbir bains kulbirbains@ > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. > > it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the > planatary > > posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a > > note on it. hope it helps. > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males. > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social > > institution. > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It > > is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise > > he is cremated at his birth place. > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune. > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to > > hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth > of > > son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his > > life becomes smoother. > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with > > large family and good wealth. > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined, > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45. > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the > > native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not > sure > > that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards > > religion. > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for > > religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a > bad > > phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful > methods > > to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a > > false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after > > recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and > > doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad > > condition in old age. > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains > dormant, > > the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he > > shall have to labour manually. > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native > > doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also > > doesn’t helps or supports him. > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus > > his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted > > son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases > > such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with > > difficulty. > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic > > capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he > > adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of > his > > son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with > him > > or at his place. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there > > are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't > > have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed > by > > bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > Homepage. > > http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Namaskar Bhaskarji, Let me first say sorry to you even if my intention was not to cross verify the precious gift given by you. I can't even think in my entire life about hurting somebody as revered as you. Please cool down and try to read the first query carefully. It was about Jupiter in the 7th and it will be only when I take 10.04 am as birth time. Please try to put yourself in my shoes. A person who hasn't earned a single penny in last 3 years worried about his Kid's future. I am not worried about the money here but about the future of the kid. A leaner like me can't even dream about putting one Astrologer(Guru) against another. Unless you mention about your forgiveness, I will assume you have not accpeted my apology Regards, Aashish , " kulbir " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Dear Ashish Ji; > you have indeed committed a blunder; > be a gentleman; apologize to Bhaskar Ji; > it hurts when someone's hard labour which is obtained through years of rigorous study is treated like this. > the rectification of your birth time might seem to be a freebie to you but i know only a handful of astrologers are capable of it. and no money is sufficient to compensate it. > Regards > Kulbir Bains > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Before flitting from one astrologer to another, and asking about Lagna > > confirmations, first dissapprove the hard work done by somebody on Your > > Birth, and then you are welcome to ask for further info. > > > > We must be " Men " and not " butterflies " . You are being utterly > > ungrateful when you ask someone to confirm what another has alfready > > confirmed for You. prove the previous confirmation as wrong > > astrologically and then talk. > > > > The problem these days , is that whatever is received for free, does not > > have much value.. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji, > > > > > > //Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 > > > am.// > > > > > > What do You mean by " Bhaskarji has indicated " ? > > > > > > I have not indicated. I have proved it to you that it is right. How > > > many Astrologers in india can do this for You even if you pay them a > > > Lakh of Rupees ? They cannot do it, because they are not all capable > > of > > > doing this . > > > > > > I ask any astrologer to dissaprove my given birth timings . > > > > > > But again they were silent when you asked in the Group about your > > Birth > > > time, so what right they have now to dissaprove? > > > > > > Please understand that You have been given the right information > > coming > > > from accurate precesion use of astrological principles, and any doubts > > > about it, is not going to serve any purpose. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " > > > kulbirbains@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that > > > will help you. > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the > > time > > > of your birth. > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking > > > etc. > > > > 3. study of your house. > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you > > strengthened > > > by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then > > > also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever > > > little knowledge i have. > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > , aashish rai > > > raiaashish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your > > reply. > > > My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and > > the > > > place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. > > Bhaskarji > > > has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the > > > following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant > > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn > > > > > 4th house- Vacant > > > > > 5th House- Vacant > > > > > 6th House- Rahu > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter > > > > > 8th House- Moon > > > > > 9th house- Vacant > > > > > 10th House- Vacant > > > > > 11th House †" Sun > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant > > > > > 4th House †" Saturn > > > > > 5th house- Vacant > > > > > 6th House- Vacant > > > > > 7th House- Rahu > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter > > > > > 9th House- Moon > > > > > 10th house- Vacant > > > > > 11th House- Vacant > > > > > 12th House †" Sun > > > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in > > > 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology > > > about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > kulbir bains kulbirbains@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. > > > it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the > > planatary > > > posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a > > > note on it. hope it helps. > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males. > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social > > > institution. > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It > > > is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise > > > he is cremated at his birth place. > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune. > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to > > > hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth > > of > > > son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his > > > life becomes smoother. > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with > > > large family and good wealth. > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined, > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45. > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the > > > native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not > > sure > > > that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards > > > religion. > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for > > > religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a > > bad > > > phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful > > methods > > > to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a > > > false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after > > > recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and > > > doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad > > > condition in old age. > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains > > dormant, > > > the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he > > > shall have to labour manually. > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native > > > doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also > > > doesn’t helps or supports him. > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus > > > his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted > > > son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases > > > such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with > > > difficulty. > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic > > > capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he > > > adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of > > his > > > son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with > > him > > > or at his place. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there > > > are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't > > > have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed > > by > > > bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage. > > > http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Okay Dear Aashish, I accept your innocent explanations, and myself feel sorry for having misunderstood you. But tell me how is your post about "Lagna Confirmations", going to solve your Problem ? About your son, or my son, or his son, or their sons, we are NOT God, to carve their destinies. This has already been carved before their births. Our job is only to do our duties. Leave the "worry" part to the Lord. I have not earned a penny for myself for about 20 Years, but I have earnt lakhs of ruppees for my employer. Is that not enough ? And my employer was my own father. You need more informations from me ??? then come to my place in Bombay. I will enlighten you further. We are such ordinary people that we cant even carve our own destinies, so forget about us looking or being responsible for the destiny of our close ones. As a good man, a responsible man, as a res;ponsible father, a responsible husband, a respnsible human being, just go on doing your duties, work hard, and after that if pennies comes, or dollars comes, we are n ot to worry, that is Gods job. I know this much for sure, that HE DOES NOT LEAVE US HUNGRY BEFORE SLEEP, IF WE WORK HARD ENOUGH. best wishes,Bhaskar. , "raiaashish" <raiaashish wrote:>> Namaskar Bhaskarji,> Let me first say sorry to you even if my intention was not to cross verify the precious gift given by you. I can't even think in my entire life about hurting somebody as revered as you. > > Please cool down and try to read the first query carefully. It was about Jupiter in the 7th and it will be only when I take 10.04 am as birth time. > > Please try to put yourself in my shoes. A person who hasn't earned a single penny in last 3 years worried about his Kid's future. I am not worried about the money here but about the future of the kid.> > A leaner like me can't even dream about putting one Astrologer(Guru) against another. > > Unless you mention about your forgiveness, I will assume you have not accpeted my apology> > Regards,> Aashish> > > , "kulbir" kulbirbains@ wrote:> >> > Dear Ashish Ji;> > you have indeed committed a blunder;> > be a gentleman; apologize to Bhaskar Ji;> > it hurts when someone's hard labour which is obtained through years of rigorous study is treated like this.> > the rectification of your birth time might seem to be a freebie to you but i know only a handful of astrologers are capable of it. and no money is sufficient to compensate it.> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains> > > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Before flitting from one astrologer to another, and asking about Lagna> > > confirmations, first dissapprove the hard work done by somebody on Your> > > Birth, and then you are welcome to ask for further info.> > > > > > We must be "Men" and not "butterflies". You are being utterly> > > ungrateful when you ask someone to confirm what another has alfready> > > confirmed for You. prove the previous confirmation as wrong> > > astrologically and then talk.> > > > > > The problem these days , is that whatever is received for free, does not> > > have much value..> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Ashish ji,> > > >> > > > //Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04> > > > am.//> > > >> > > > What do You mean by " Bhaskarji has indicated" ?> > > >> > > > I have not indicated. I have proved it to you that it is right. How> > > > many Astrologers in india can do this for You even if you pay them a> > > > Lakh of Rupees ? They cannot do it, because they are not all capable> > > of> > > > doing this .> > > >> > > > I ask any astrologer to dissaprove my given birth timings .> > > >> > > > But again they were silent when you asked in the Group about your> > > Birth> > > > time, so what right they have now to dissaprove?> > > >> > > > Please understand that You have been given the right information> > > coming> > > > from accurate precesion use of astrological principles, and any doubts> > > > about it, is not going to serve any purpose.> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "kulbir"> > > > kulbirbains@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Ashish ji;> > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that> > > > will help you.> > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps> > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the> > > time> > > > of your birth.> > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking> > > > etc.> > > > > 3. study of your house.> > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you> > > strengthened> > > > by your actions and what planets you have spoiled.> > > > >> > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then> > > > also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever> > > > little knowledge i have.> > > > > Regards> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , aashish rai> > > > raiaashish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kulbirji,> > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your> > > reply.> > > > My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and> > > the> > > > place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon.> > > Bhaskarji> > > > has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the> > > > following are the 2 possibilities for lagna.> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali> > > > > >> > > > > > 1st house â€" Mars and Venus> > > > > > 2nd house â€" Vacant> > > > > > 3rd House â€" Saturn> > > > > > 4th house- Vacant> > > > > > 5th House- Vacant> > > > > > 6th House- Rahu> > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter> > > > > > 8th House- Moon> > > > > > 9th house- Vacant> > > > > > 10th House- Vacant> > > > > > 11th House â€" Sun> > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu> > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali> > > > > >> > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu> > > > > > 2nd house â€" Mars and Venus> > > > > > 3nd house â€" Vacant> > > > > > 4th House â€" Saturn> > > > > > 5th house- Vacant> > > > > > 6th House- Vacant> > > > > > 7th House- Rahu> > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter> > > > > > 9th House- Moon> > > > > > 10th house- Vacant> > > > > > 11th House- Vacant> > > > > > 12th House â€" Sun> > > > > >> > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in> > > > 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology> > > > about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life.> > > > > > Aashish> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > kulbir bains kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM> > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji;> > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham.> > > > it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the> > > planatary> > > > posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant;> > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a> > > > note on it. hope it helps.> > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7> > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males.> > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social> > > > institution.> > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It> > > > is god for him that he retains a practical outlook.> > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise> > > > he is cremated at his birth place.> > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him.> > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune.> > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to> > > > hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth> > > of> > > > son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his> > > > life becomes smoother.> > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with> > > > large family and good wealth.> > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined,> > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45.> > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology> > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the> > > > native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not> > > sure> > > > that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards> > > > religion.> > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for> > > > religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a> > > bad> > > > phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful> > > methods> > > > to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a> > > > false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after> > > > recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and> > > > doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad> > > > condition in old age.> > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains> > > dormant,> > > > the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he> > > > shall have to labour manually.> > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native> > > > doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also> > > > doesn’t helps or supports him.> > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus> > > > his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted> > > > son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases> > > > such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with> > > > difficulty.> > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic> > > > capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he> > > > adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of> > > his> > > > son, he himself turns into a failure.> > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with> > > him> > > > or at his place.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >---------- Original message ----------> > > > > > >"raiaashish"< raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in >> > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29> > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter> > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar,> > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there> > > > are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't> > > > have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are:> > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed> > > by> > > > bhaskarji in this forum).> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Regards,> > > > > > >>Aashish> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > Homepage.> > > > http://in./> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Dear Kulbirji, As far as I know chart is supposed to be drawn from palm in Lal Kitab. What is the truth? and how does it work? regds Dev , " kulbir " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Dear Ashish ji; > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that will help you. > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the time of your birth. > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking etc. > 3. study of your house. > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you strengthened by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little knowledge i have. > Regards > Kulbir Bains > > > , aashish rai <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus > > 2nd house †" Vacant > > 3rd House †" Saturn > > 4th house- Vacant > > 5th House- Vacant > > 6th House- Rahu > > 7th House- Jupiter > > 8th House- Moon > > 9th house- Vacant > > 10th House- Vacant > > 11th House †" Sun > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus > > 3nd house †" Vacant > > 4th House †" Saturn > > 5th house- Vacant > > 6th House- Vacant > > 7th House- Rahu > > 8th House- Jupiter > > 9th House- Moon > > 10th house- Vacant > > 11th House- Vacant > > 12th House †" Sun > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@> > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a note on it. hope it helps. > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males. > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social institution. > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise he is cremated at his birth place. > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune. > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes smoother. > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with large family and good wealth. > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined, > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45. > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion. > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad condition in old age. > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have to labour manually. > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or supports him. > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty. > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself turns into a failure. > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him or at his place. > > > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > >>Regards, > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Namaskar Bhaskarji, You are so brilliant and have such vast experience in astrology and life. Please enlighten me on this confusion. If we have to just follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " principle then why to go to an Astrologer or learn astrology for that matter. After all everything is going to happen as predestined. then why bother to know anything if it can't be changed. Regards, Aashish , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Okay Dear Aashish, > > I accept your innocent explanations, and myself feel sorry for having > misunderstood you. > > But tell me how is your post about " Lagna Confirmations " , going to solve > your Problem ? > > About your son, or my son, or his son, or their sons, we are NOT God, to > carve their destinies. This has already been carved before their births. > Our job is only to do our duties. Leave the " worry " part to the Lord. > > I have not earned a penny for myself for about 20 Years, but I have > earnt lakhs of ruppees for my employer. Is that not enough ? And my > employer was my own father. You need more informations from me ??? then > come to my place in Bombay. I will enlighten you further. > > We are such ordinary people that we cant even carve our own destinies, > so forget about us looking or being responsible for the destiny of our > close ones. > > As a good man, a responsible man, as a res;ponsible father, a > responsible husband, a respnsible human being, just go on doing your > duties, work hard, and after that if pennies comes, or dollars comes, we > are n ot to worry, that is Gods job. I know this much for sure, that HE > DOES NOT LEAVE US HUNGRY BEFORE SLEEP, IF WE WORK HARD ENOUGH. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > > > , " raiaashish " > <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > Let me first say sorry to you even if my intention was not to cross > verify the precious gift given by you. I can't even think in my entire > life about hurting somebody as revered as you. > > > > Please cool down and try to read the first query carefully. It was > about Jupiter in the 7th and it will be only when I take 10.04 am as > birth time. > > > > Please try to put yourself in my shoes. A person who hasn't earned a > single penny in last 3 years worried about his Kid's future. I am not > worried about the money here but about the future of the kid. > > > > A leaner like me can't even dream about putting one Astrologer(Guru) > against another. > > > > Unless you mention about your forgiveness, I will assume you have not > accpeted my apology > > > > Regards, > > Aashish > > > > > > , " kulbir " kulbirbains@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ashish Ji; > > > you have indeed committed a blunder; > > > be a gentleman; apologize to Bhaskar Ji; > > > it hurts when someone's hard labour which is obtained through years > of rigorous study is treated like this. > > > the rectification of your birth time might seem to be a freebie to > you but i know only a handful of astrologers are capable of it. and no > money is sufficient to compensate it. > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Before flitting from one astrologer to another, and asking about > Lagna > > > > confirmations, first dissapprove the hard work done by somebody on > Your > > > > Birth, and then you are welcome to ask for further info. > > > > > > > > We must be " Men " and not " butterflies " . You are being utterly > > > > ungrateful when you ask someone to confirm what another has > alfready > > > > confirmed for You. prove the previous confirmation as wrong > > > > astrologically and then talk. > > > > > > > > The problem these days , is that whatever is received for free, > does not > > > > have much value.. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji, > > > > > > > > > > //Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around > 10.04 > > > > > am.// > > > > > > > > > > What do You mean by " Bhaskarji has indicated " ? > > > > > > > > > > I have not indicated. I have proved it to you that it is right. > How > > > > > many Astrologers in india can do this for You even if you pay > them a > > > > > Lakh of Rupees ? They cannot do it, because they are not all > capable > > > > of > > > > > doing this . > > > > > > > > > > I ask any astrologer to dissaprove my given birth timings . > > > > > > > > > > But again they were silent when you asked in the Group about > your > > > > Birth > > > > > time, so what right they have now to dissaprove? > > > > > > > > > > Please understand that You have been given the right information > > > > coming > > > > > from accurate precesion use of astrological principles, and any > doubts > > > > > about it, is not going to serve any purpose. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " > > > > > kulbirbains@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules > that > > > > > will help you. > > > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at > the > > > > time > > > > > of your birth. > > > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing > walking > > > > > etc. > > > > > > 3. study of your house. > > > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you > > > > strengthened > > > > > by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if > then > > > > > also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with > whatever > > > > > little knowledge i have. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , aashish rai > > > > > raiaashish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for > your > > > > reply. > > > > > My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 > and > > > > the > > > > > place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > > has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the > > > > > following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant > > > > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn > > > > > > > 4th house- Vacant > > > > > > > 5th House- Vacant > > > > > > > 6th House- Rahu > > > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter > > > > > > > 8th House- Moon > > > > > > > 9th house- Vacant > > > > > > > 10th House- Vacant > > > > > > > 11th House †" Sun > > > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant > > > > > > > 4th House †" Saturn > > > > > > > 5th house- Vacant > > > > > > > 6th House- Vacant > > > > > > > 7th House- Rahu > > > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter > > > > > > > 9th House- Moon > > > > > > > 10th house- Vacant > > > > > > > 11th House- Vacant > > > > > > > 12th House †" Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born > in > > > > > 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning > astrology > > > > > about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > kulbir bains kulbirbains@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to > vaham. > > > > > it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the > > > > planatary > > > > > posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have > written a > > > > > note on it. hope it helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than > males. > > > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social > > > > > institution. > > > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of > moon. It > > > > > is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth > otherwise > > > > > he is cremated at his birth place. > > > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his > fortune. > > > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to > > > > > hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in > birth > > > > of > > > > > son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 > and his > > > > > life becomes smoother. > > > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native > with > > > > > large family and good wealth. > > > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously > disciplined, > > > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age > 25-45. > > > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the > > > > > native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is > not > > > > sure > > > > > that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted > towards > > > > > religion. > > > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for > > > > > religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going > through a > > > > bad > > > > > phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful > > > > methods > > > > > to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he > accompanies a > > > > > false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after > > > > > recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and > > > > > doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad > > > > > condition in old age. > > > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains > > > > dormant, > > > > > the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself > he > > > > > shall have to labour manually. > > > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native > > > > > doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood > also > > > > > doesn’t helps or supports him. > > > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, > venus > > > > > his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his > adopted > > > > > son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung > diseases > > > > > such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet > with > > > > > difficulty. > > > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in > malefic > > > > > capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. > if he > > > > > adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth > of > > > > his > > > > > son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be > with > > > > him > > > > > or at his place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > > > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or > there > > > > > are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and > don't > > > > > have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as > fixed > > > > by > > > > > bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > > > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > Homepage. > > > > > http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Dear Kulbirji Namaskar, Thanks for your advice. As far I know there are no true Lal Kitab experts in Orissa. If you happen to know can you please pass on the info. Regards, Aashish , " kulbir " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Dear Ashish ji; > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that will help you. > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the time of your birth. > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking etc. > 3. study of your house. > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you strengthened by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little knowledge i have. > Regards > Kulbir Bains > > > , aashish rai <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus > > 2nd house †" Vacant > > 3rd House †" Saturn > > 4th house- Vacant > > 5th House- Vacant > > 6th House- Rahu > > 7th House- Jupiter > > 8th House- Moon > > 9th house- Vacant > > 10th House- Vacant > > 11th House †" Sun > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus > > 3nd house †" Vacant > > 4th House †" Saturn > > 5th house- Vacant > > 6th House- Vacant > > 7th House- Rahu > > 8th House- Jupiter > > 9th House- Moon > > 10th house- Vacant > > 11th House- Vacant > > 12th House †" Sun > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@> > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a note on it. hope it helps. > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males. > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social institution. > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise he is cremated at his birth place. > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune. > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes smoother. > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with large family and good wealth. > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined, > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45. > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion. > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad condition in old age. > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have to labour manually. > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or supports him. > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty. > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself turns into a failure. > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him or at his place. > > > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > >>Regards, > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 dear aashish ji, Good discussion is going to ensue now from your Query. I like this. First you please explain me the meaning-translation of " If we have to just follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " Then I will write further about what must be the stance actually to be understood by this shloka, which people have actually misunderstood. regards, Bhaskar. , " raiaashish " <raiaashish wrote: > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > You are so brilliant and have such vast experience in astrology and life. Please enlighten me on this confusion. If we have to just follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " principle then why to go to an Astrologer or learn astrology for that matter. After all everything is going to happen as predestined. then why bother to know anything if it can't be changed. > > Regards, > Aashish > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Okay Dear Aashish, > > > > I accept your innocent explanations, and myself feel sorry for having > > misunderstood you. > > > > But tell me how is your post about " Lagna Confirmations " , going to solve > > your Problem ? > > > > About your son, or my son, or his son, or their sons, we are NOT God, to > > carve their destinies. This has already been carved before their births. > > Our job is only to do our duties. Leave the " worry " part to the Lord. > > > > I have not earned a penny for myself for about 20 Years, but I have > > earnt lakhs of ruppees for my employer. Is that not enough ? And my > > employer was my own father. You need more informations from me ??? then > > come to my place in Bombay. I will enlighten you further. > > > > We are such ordinary people that we cant even carve our own destinies, > > so forget about us looking or being responsible for the destiny of our > > close ones. > > > > As a good man, a responsible man, as a res;ponsible father, a > > responsible husband, a respnsible human being, just go on doing your > > duties, work hard, and after that if pennies comes, or dollars comes, we > > are n ot to worry, that is Gods job. I know this much for sure, that HE > > DOES NOT LEAVE US HUNGRY BEFORE SLEEP, IF WE WORK HARD ENOUGH. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " raiaashish " > > <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > > Let me first say sorry to you even if my intention was not to cross > > verify the precious gift given by you. I can't even think in my entire > > life about hurting somebody as revered as you. > > > > > > Please cool down and try to read the first query carefully. It was > > about Jupiter in the 7th and it will be only when I take 10.04 am as > > birth time. > > > > > > Please try to put yourself in my shoes. A person who hasn't earned a > > single penny in last 3 years worried about his Kid's future. I am not > > worried about the money here but about the future of the kid. > > > > > > A leaner like me can't even dream about putting one Astrologer(Guru) > > against another. > > > > > > Unless you mention about your forgiveness, I will assume you have not > > accpeted my apology > > > > > > Regards, > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " kulbirbains@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish Ji; > > > > you have indeed committed a blunder; > > > > be a gentleman; apologize to Bhaskar Ji; > > > > it hurts when someone's hard labour which is obtained through years > > of rigorous study is treated like this. > > > > the rectification of your birth time might seem to be a freebie to > > you but i know only a handful of astrologers are capable of it. and no > > money is sufficient to compensate it. > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before flitting from one astrologer to another, and asking about > > Lagna > > > > > confirmations, first dissapprove the hard work done by somebody on > > Your > > > > > Birth, and then you are welcome to ask for further info. > > > > > > > > > > We must be " Men " and not " butterflies " . You are being utterly > > > > > ungrateful when you ask someone to confirm what another has > > alfready > > > > > confirmed for You. prove the previous confirmation as wrong > > > > > astrologically and then talk. > > > > > > > > > > The problem these days , is that whatever is received for free, > > does not > > > > > have much value.. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around > > 10.04 > > > > > > am.// > > > > > > > > > > > > What do You mean by " Bhaskarji has indicated " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not indicated. I have proved it to you that it is right. > > How > > > > > > many Astrologers in india can do this for You even if you pay > > them a > > > > > > Lakh of Rupees ? They cannot do it, because they are not all > > capable > > > > > of > > > > > > doing this . > > > > > > > > > > > > I ask any astrologer to dissaprove my given birth timings . > > > > > > > > > > > > But again they were silent when you asked in the Group about > > your > > > > > Birth > > > > > > time, so what right they have now to dissaprove? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please understand that You have been given the right information > > > > > coming > > > > > > from accurate precesion use of astrological principles, and any > > doubts > > > > > > about it, is not going to serve any purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " > > > > > > kulbirbains@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules > > that > > > > > > will help you. > > > > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > > > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at > > the > > > > > time > > > > > > of your birth. > > > > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing > > walking > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > 3. study of your house. > > > > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you > > > > > strengthened > > > > > > by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if > > then > > > > > > also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with > > whatever > > > > > > little knowledge i have. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , aashish rai > > > > > > raiaashish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for > > your > > > > > reply. > > > > > > My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. > > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > > > has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the > > > > > > following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant > > > > > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn > > > > > > > > 4th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > 5th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > 6th House- Rahu > > > > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter > > > > > > > > 8th House- Moon > > > > > > > > 9th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > 10th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > 11th House †" Sun > > > > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant > > > > > > > > 4th House †" Saturn > > > > > > > > 5th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > 6th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > 7th House- Rahu > > > > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter > > > > > > > > 9th House- Moon > > > > > > > > 10th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > 11th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > 12th House †" Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born > > in > > > > > > 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning > > astrology > > > > > > about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > > > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > kulbir bains kulbirbains@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to > > vaham. > > > > > > it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the > > > > > planatary > > > > > > posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have > > written a > > > > > > note on it. hope it helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than > > males. > > > > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social > > > > > > institution. > > > > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of > > moon. It > > > > > > is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth > > otherwise > > > > > > he is cremated at his birth place. > > > > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his > > fortune. > > > > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to > > > > > > hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in > > birth > > > > > of > > > > > > son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 > > and his > > > > > > life becomes smoother. > > > > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native > > with > > > > > > large family and good wealth. > > > > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously > > disciplined, > > > > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age > > 25-45. > > > > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > > > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the > > > > > > native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is > > not > > > > > sure > > > > > > that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted > > towards > > > > > > religion. > > > > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for > > > > > > religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going > > through a > > > > > bad > > > > > > phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful > > > > > methods > > > > > > to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he > > accompanies a > > > > > > false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after > > > > > > recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and > > > > > > doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad > > > > > > condition in old age. > > > > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains > > > > > dormant, > > > > > > the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself > > he > > > > > > shall have to labour manually. > > > > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native > > > > > > doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood > > also > > > > > > doesn’t helps or supports him. > > > > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, > > venus > > > > > > his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his > > adopted > > > > > > son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung > > diseases > > > > > > such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet > > with > > > > > > difficulty. > > > > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in > > malefic > > > > > > capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. > > if he > > > > > > adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth > > of > > > > > his > > > > > > son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be > > with > > > > > him > > > > > > or at his place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > > > > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or > > there > > > > > > are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and > > don't > > > > > > have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as > > fixed > > > > > by > > > > > > bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > > > > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > Homepage. > > > > > > http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Namaskar Bhaskarji, Let me try to explain my understanding: //First you please explain me the meaning-translation of " If we have to just follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " // This teaching of Shri Krishna from Geeta advices us to do our work and leave the fruits to God. We should do the work without expectation of any fruit. Intent of my question was what role Astrology/Astrologer has to play here. Regards, Aashish , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > dear aashish ji, > > Good discussion is going to ensue now from your Query. I like this. > > First you please explain me the meaning-translation of " If we have to just follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " > > Then I will write further about what must be the stance actually to be understood by this shloka, which people have actually misunderstood. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , " raiaashish " <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > You are so brilliant and have such vast experience in astrology and life. Please enlighten me on this confusion. If we have to just follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " principle then why to go to an Astrologer or learn astrology for that matter. After all everything is going to happen as predestined. then why bother to know anything if it can't be changed. > > > > Regards, > > Aashish > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Okay Dear Aashish, > > > > > > I accept your innocent explanations, and myself feel sorry for having > > > misunderstood you. > > > > > > But tell me how is your post about " Lagna Confirmations " , going to solve > > > your Problem ? > > > > > > About your son, or my son, or his son, or their sons, we are NOT God, to > > > carve their destinies. This has already been carved before their births. > > > Our job is only to do our duties. Leave the " worry " part to the Lord. > > > > > > I have not earned a penny for myself for about 20 Years, but I have > > > earnt lakhs of ruppees for my employer. Is that not enough ? And my > > > employer was my own father. You need more informations from me ??? then > > > come to my place in Bombay. I will enlighten you further. > > > > > > We are such ordinary people that we cant even carve our own destinies, > > > so forget about us looking or being responsible for the destiny of our > > > close ones. > > > > > > As a good man, a responsible man, as a res;ponsible father, a > > > responsible husband, a respnsible human being, just go on doing your > > > duties, work hard, and after that if pennies comes, or dollars comes, we > > > are n ot to worry, that is Gods job. I know this much for sure, that HE > > > DOES NOT LEAVE US HUNGRY BEFORE SLEEP, IF WE WORK HARD ENOUGH. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " raiaashish " > > > <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > > > Let me first say sorry to you even if my intention was not to cross > > > verify the precious gift given by you. I can't even think in my entire > > > life about hurting somebody as revered as you. > > > > > > > > Please cool down and try to read the first query carefully. It was > > > about Jupiter in the 7th and it will be only when I take 10.04 am as > > > birth time. > > > > > > > > Please try to put yourself in my shoes. A person who hasn't earned a > > > single penny in last 3 years worried about his Kid's future. I am not > > > worried about the money here but about the future of the kid. > > > > > > > > A leaner like me can't even dream about putting one Astrologer(Guru) > > > against another. > > > > > > > > Unless you mention about your forgiveness, I will assume you have not > > > accpeted my apology > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " kulbirbains@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish Ji; > > > > > you have indeed committed a blunder; > > > > > be a gentleman; apologize to Bhaskar Ji; > > > > > it hurts when someone's hard labour which is obtained through years > > > of rigorous study is treated like this. > > > > > the rectification of your birth time might seem to be a freebie to > > > you but i know only a handful of astrologers are capable of it. and no > > > money is sufficient to compensate it. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before flitting from one astrologer to another, and asking about > > > Lagna > > > > > > confirmations, first dissapprove the hard work done by somebody on > > > Your > > > > > > Birth, and then you are welcome to ask for further info. > > > > > > > > > > > > We must be " Men " and not " butterflies " . You are being utterly > > > > > > ungrateful when you ask someone to confirm what another has > > > alfready > > > > > > confirmed for You. prove the previous confirmation as wrong > > > > > > astrologically and then talk. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem these days , is that whatever is received for free, > > > does not > > > > > > have much value.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around > > > 10.04 > > > > > > > am.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do You mean by " Bhaskarji has indicated " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not indicated. I have proved it to you that it is right. > > > How > > > > > > > many Astrologers in india can do this for You even if you pay > > > them a > > > > > > > Lakh of Rupees ? They cannot do it, because they are not all > > > capable > > > > > > of > > > > > > > doing this . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ask any astrologer to dissaprove my given birth timings . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again they were silent when you asked in the Group about > > > your > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > time, so what right they have now to dissaprove? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please understand that You have been given the right information > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > from accurate precesion use of astrological principles, and any > > > doubts > > > > > > > about it, is not going to serve any purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " > > > > > > > kulbirbains@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > > > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules > > > that > > > > > > > will help you. > > > > > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > > > > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at > > > the > > > > > > time > > > > > > > of your birth. > > > > > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing > > > walking > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > 3. study of your house. > > > > > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you > > > > > > strengthened > > > > > > > by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if > > > then > > > > > > > also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with > > > whatever > > > > > > > little knowledge i have. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , aashish rai > > > > > > > raiaashish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for > > > your > > > > > > reply. > > > > > > > My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. > > > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > > > > has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the > > > > > > > following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant > > > > > > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn > > > > > > > > > 4th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > 5th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > 6th House- Rahu > > > > > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter > > > > > > > > > 8th House- Moon > > > > > > > > > 9th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > 10th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > 11th House †" Sun > > > > > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant > > > > > > > > > 4th House †" Saturn > > > > > > > > > 5th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > 6th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > 7th House- Rahu > > > > > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter > > > > > > > > > 9th House- Moon > > > > > > > > > 10th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > 11th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > 12th House †" Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born > > > in > > > > > > > 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning > > > astrology > > > > > > > about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > > > > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > kulbir bains kulbirbains@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > > > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to > > > vaham. > > > > > > > it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the > > > > > > planatary > > > > > > > posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > > > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have > > > written a > > > > > > > note on it. hope it helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > > > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than > > > males. > > > > > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social > > > > > > > institution. > > > > > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of > > > moon. It > > > > > > > is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > > > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth > > > otherwise > > > > > > > he is cremated at his birth place. > > > > > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > > > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his > > > fortune. > > > > > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to > > > > > > > hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in > > > birth > > > > > > of > > > > > > > son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 > > > and his > > > > > > > life becomes smoother. > > > > > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native > > > with > > > > > > > large family and good wealth. > > > > > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously > > > disciplined, > > > > > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age > > > 25-45. > > > > > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > > > > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the > > > > > > > native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is > > > not > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted > > > towards > > > > > > > religion. > > > > > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for > > > > > > > religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going > > > through a > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful > > > > > > methods > > > > > > > to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he > > > accompanies a > > > > > > > false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after > > > > > > > recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and > > > > > > > doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad > > > > > > > condition in old age. > > > > > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains > > > > > > dormant, > > > > > > > the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself > > > he > > > > > > > shall have to labour manually. > > > > > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native > > > > > > > doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood > > > also > > > > > > > doesn’t helps or supports him. > > > > > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, > > > venus > > > > > > > his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his > > > adopted > > > > > > > son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung > > > diseases > > > > > > > such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet > > > with > > > > > > > difficulty. > > > > > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in > > > malefic > > > > > > > capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. > > > if he > > > > > > > adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth > > > of > > > > > > his > > > > > > > son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > > > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be > > > with > > > > > > him > > > > > > > or at his place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > > > > > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or > > > there > > > > > > > are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and > > > don't > > > > > > > have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > > > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as > > > fixed > > > > > > by > > > > > > > bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > > > > > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > Homepage. > > > > > > > http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Dear Aashish JI, Man can create enough questions...one can ask....but any answer can not be Really an answer untill it is coming within you!!! Each and every answer will create new questions Because 'Gyan hi Bandhan hai' this does not mean 'agyan' is good that is different. Potential and Results are completely different and separate they can be guessed based on experience however Potential can be looked. There are number of techniques that can tell about potential what anybody have........there are technique they can tell/read potential only from name ( given by astrologer) Potential does not mean Fruit....It is more like 'Dharma' what you have.........krushana says 'Sawdharma works itself' You must be aware about prediction done from astrologers at the time when Buddha Born.....(guess which technique they used!!) 'Gautama' Either Can Be 'Buddha' or It can be 'Chakarworty King' Prediction says about Potential and that is 100% present so only 2 choice can be predicted ..........in older time looking situation for son of king....with such potential There is nothing much about Fruit that will came or follow your dharma.....choice is yours....... No prediction related to choice which can not be..........choice is yours choice can not be predicted Krushana tells You have 'Rights to make choice' 'Karmanya va adhikarstu' no choice for dharma/potential If you told to up your 1 feet you have choice right/left but after that no choice for another feet.......hope this helps What a beauty of Astrologers......They was seeing Potential that is 100%...Result too 100% came we know rest story.......... P.S.I am not mentioning that astrologer who came with only 1 choice ------------------ Regards, Devisingh raiaashish wrote: Namaskar Bhaskarji, Let me try to explain my understanding: //First you please explain me the meaning-translation of "If we have to just follow "karmaney vadhika raste.."// This teaching of Shri Krishna from Geeta advices us to do our work and leave the fruits to God. We should do the work without expectation of any fruit. Intent of my question was what role Astrology/Astrologer has to play here. Regards, Aashish , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > dear aashish ji, > > Good discussion is going to ensue now from your Query. I like this. > > First you please explain me the meaning-translation of "If we have to just follow "karmaney vadhika raste.." > > Then I will write further about what must be the stance actually to be understood by this shloka, which people have actually misunderstood. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , "raiaashish" <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > You are so brilliant and have such vast experience in astrology and life. Please enlighten me on this confusion. If we have to just follow "karmaney vadhika raste.." principle then why to go to an Astrologer or learn astrology for that matter. After all everything is going to happen as predestined. then why bother to know anything if it can't be changed. > > > > Regards, > > Aashish > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Okay Dear Aashish, > > > > > > I accept your innocent explanations, and myself feel sorry for having > > > misunderstood you. > > > > > > But tell me how is your post about "Lagna Confirmations", going to solve > > > your Problem ? > > > > > > About your son, or my son, or his son, or their sons, we are NOT God, to > > > carve their destinies. This has already been carved before their births. > > > Our job is only to do our duties. Leave the "worry" part to the Lord. > > > > > > I have not earned a penny for myself for about 20 Years, but I have > > > earnt lakhs of ruppees for my employer. Is that not enough ? And my > > > employer was my own father. You need more informations from me ??? then > > > come to my place in Bombay. I will enlighten you further. > > > > > > We are such ordinary people that we cant even carve our own destinies, > > > so forget about us looking or being responsible for the destiny of our > > > close ones. > > > > > > As a good man, a responsible man, as a res;ponsible father, a > > > responsible husband, a respnsible human being, just go on doing your > > > duties, work hard, and after that if pennies comes, or dollars comes, we > > > are n ot to worry, that is Gods job. I know this much for sure, that HE > > > DOES NOT LEAVE US HUNGRY BEFORE SLEEP, IF WE WORK HARD ENOUGH. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "raiaashish" > > > <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > > > Let me first say sorry to you even if my intention was not to cross > > > verify the precious gift given by you. I can't even think in my entire > > > life about hurting somebody as revered as you. > > > > > > > > Please cool down and try to read the first query carefully. It was > > > about Jupiter in the 7th and it will be only when I take 10.04 am as > > > birth time. > > > > > > > > Please try to put yourself in my shoes. A person who hasn't earned a > > > single penny in last 3 years worried about his Kid's future. I am not > > > worried about the money here but about the future of the kid. > > > > > > > > A leaner like me can't even dream about putting one Astrologer(Guru) > > > against another. > > > > > > > > Unless you mention about your forgiveness, I will assume you have not > > > accpeted my apology > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kulbir" kulbirbains@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish Ji; > > > > > you have indeed committed a blunder; > > > > > be a gentleman; apologize to Bhaskar Ji; > > > > > it hurts when someone's hard labour which is obtained through years > > > of rigorous study is treated like this. > > > > > the rectification of your birth time might seem to be a freebie to > > > you but i know only a handful of astrologers are capable of it. and no > > > money is sufficient to compensate it. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before flitting from one astrologer to another, and asking about > > > Lagna > > > > > > confirmations, first dissapprove the hard work done by somebody on > > > Your > > > > > > Birth, and then you are welcome to ask for further info. > > > > > > > > > > > > We must be "Men" and not "butterflies". You are being utterly > > > > > > ungrateful when you ask someone to confirm what another has > > > alfready > > > > > > confirmed for You. prove the previous confirmation as wrong > > > > > > astrologically and then talk. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem these days , is that whatever is received for free, > > > does not > > > > > > have much value.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around > > > 10.04 > > > > > > > am.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do You mean by " Bhaskarji has indicated" ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not indicated. I have proved it to you that it is right. > > > How > > > > > > > many Astrologers in india can do this for You even if you pay > > > them a > > > > > > > Lakh of Rupees ? They cannot do it, because they are not all > > > capable > > > > > > of > > > > > > > doing this . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ask any astrologer to dissaprove my given birth timings . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again they were silent when you asked in the Group about > > > your > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > time, so what right they have now to dissaprove? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please understand that You have been given the right information > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > from accurate precesion use of astrological principles, and any > > > doubts > > > > > > > about it, is not going to serve any purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kulbir" > > > > > > > kulbirbains@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > > > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules > > > that > > > > > > > will help you. > > > > > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > > > > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at > > > the > > > > > > time > > > > > > > of your birth. > > > > > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing > > > walking > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > 3. study of your house. > > > > > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you > > > > > > strengthened > > > > > > > by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if > > > then > > > > > > > also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with > > > whatever > > > > > > > little knowledge i have. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , aashish rai > > > > > > > raiaashish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for > > > your > > > > > > reply. > > > > > > > My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. > > > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > > > > has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the > > > > > > > following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st house â€" Mars and Venus > > > > > > > > > 2nd house â€" Vacant > > > > > > > > > 3rd House â€" Saturn > > > > > > > > > 4th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > 5th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > 6th House- Rahu > > > > > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter > > > > > > > > > 8th House- Moon > > > > > > > > > 9th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > 10th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > 11th House â€" Sun > > > > > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > 2nd house â€" Mars and Venus > > > > > > > > > 3nd house â€" Vacant > > > > > > > > > 4th House â€" Saturn > > > > > > > > > 5th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > 6th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > 7th House- Rahu > > > > > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter > > > > > > > > > 9th House- Moon > > > > > > > > > 10th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > 11th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > 12th House â€" Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born > > > in > > > > > > > 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning > > > astrology > > > > > > > about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > > > > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > kulbir bains kulbirbains@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > > > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to > > > vaham. > > > > > > > it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the > > > > > > planatary > > > > > > > posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > > > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have > > > written a > > > > > > > note on it. hope it helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > > > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than > > > males. > > > > > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social > > > > > > > institution. > > > > > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of > > > moon. It > > > > > > > is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > > > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth > > > otherwise > > > > > > > he is cremated at his birth place. > > > > > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > > > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his > > > fortune. > > > > > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to > > > > > > > hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in > > > birth > > > > > > of > > > > > > > son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 > > > and his > > > > > > > life becomes smoother. > > > > > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native > > > with > > > > > > > large family and good wealth. > > > > > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously > > > disciplined, > > > > > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age > > > 25-45. > > > > > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > > > > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the > > > > > > > native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is > > > not > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted > > > towards > > > > > > > religion. > > > > > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for > > > > > > > religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going > > > through a > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful > > > > > > methods > > > > > > > to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he > > > accompanies a > > > > > > > false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after > > > > > > > recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and > > > > > > > doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad > > > > > > > condition in old age. > > > > > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains > > > > > > dormant, > > > > > > > the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself > > > he > > > > > > > shall have to labour manually. > > > > > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native > > > > > > > doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood > > > also > > > > > > > doesn’t helps or supports him. > > > > > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, > > > venus > > > > > > > his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his > > > adopted > > > > > > > son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung > > > diseases > > > > > > > such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet > > > with > > > > > > > difficulty. > > > > > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in > > > malefic > > > > > > > capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. > > > if he > > > > > > > adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth > > > of > > > > > > his > > > > > > > son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > > > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be > > > with > > > > > > him > > > > > > > or at his place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > > > > > > > > >"raiaashish"< raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or > > > there > > > > > > > are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and > > > don't > > > > > > > have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > > > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as > > > fixed > > > > > > by > > > > > > > bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > > > > > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > Homepage. > > > > > > > http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Dear Ashish ji; South Indians are best in astrology. There must be good astrologers in Orissa also. It is always better to consult someone who can have one to one relation / communication with you. Desh; Kaal; Patra are fundamentals of astrology techniques. Academic pursuit is a different field. Consultation and seeking guidelines is something totally different. one is a luxury another is necessity. Regards. Kulbir Bains , " raiaashish " <raiaashish wrote: > > Dear Kulbirji Namaskar, > Thanks for your advice. As far I know there are no true Lal Kitab experts in Orissa. If you happen to know can you please pass on the info. > > Regards, > Aashish > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that will help you. > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the time of your birth. > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking etc. > > 3. study of your house. > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you strengthened by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little knowledge i have. > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > , aashish rai <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus > > > 2nd house †" Vacant > > > 3rd House †" Saturn > > > 4th house- Vacant > > > 5th House- Vacant > > > 6th House- Rahu > > > 7th House- Jupiter > > > 8th House- Moon > > > 9th house- Vacant > > > 10th House- Vacant > > > 11th House †" Sun > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus > > > 3nd house †" Vacant > > > 4th House †" Saturn > > > 5th house- Vacant > > > 6th House- Vacant > > > 7th House- Rahu > > > 8th House- Jupiter > > > 9th House- Moon > > > 10th house- Vacant > > > 11th House- Vacant > > > 12th House †" Sun > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a note on it. hope it helps. > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males. > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social institution. > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise he is cremated at his birth place. > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune. > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes smoother. > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with large family and good wealth. > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined, > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45. > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion. > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad condition in old age. > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have to labour manually. > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or supports him. > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty. > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him or at his place. > > > > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Dear Aashishji, //This teaching of Shri Krishna from Geeta advices us to do our work and leave the fruits to God. // [vijay]True.. //We should do the work without expectation of any fruit.// Not completely true statement, has many condition associate with it. Thankyou, Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " raiaashish " <raiaashish wrote: > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > Let me try to explain my understanding: > //First you please explain me the meaning-translation of " If we have to just follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " // > > This teaching of Shri Krishna from Geeta advices us to do our work and leave the fruits to God. We should do the work without expectation of any fruit. > > Intent of my question was what role Astrology/Astrologer has to play here. > > Regards, > Aashish > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > dear aashish ji, > > > > Good discussion is going to ensue now from your Query. I like this. > > > > First you please explain me the meaning-translation of " If we have to just follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " > > > > Then I will write further about what must be the stance actually to be understood by this shloka, which people have actually misunderstood. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " raiaashish " <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > > You are so brilliant and have such vast experience in astrology and life. Please enlighten me on this confusion. If we have to just follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " principle then why to go to an Astrologer or learn astrology for that matter. After all everything is going to happen as predestined. then why bother to know anything if it can't be changed. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay Dear Aashish, > > > > > > > > I accept your innocent explanations, and myself feel sorry for having > > > > misunderstood you. > > > > > > > > But tell me how is your post about " Lagna Confirmations " , going to solve > > > > your Problem ? > > > > > > > > About your son, or my son, or his son, or their sons, we are NOT God, to > > > > carve their destinies. This has already been carved before their births. > > > > Our job is only to do our duties. Leave the " worry " part to the Lord. > > > > > > > > I have not earned a penny for myself for about 20 Years, but I have > > > > earnt lakhs of ruppees for my employer. Is that not enough ? And my > > > > employer was my own father. You need more informations from me ??? then > > > > come to my place in Bombay. I will enlighten you further. > > > > > > > > We are such ordinary people that we cant even carve our own destinies, > > > > so forget about us looking or being responsible for the destiny of our > > > > close ones. > > > > > > > > As a good man, a responsible man, as a res;ponsible father, a > > > > responsible husband, a respnsible human being, just go on doing your > > > > duties, work hard, and after that if pennies comes, or dollars comes, we > > > > are n ot to worry, that is Gods job. I know this much for sure, that HE > > > > DOES NOT LEAVE US HUNGRY BEFORE SLEEP, IF WE WORK HARD ENOUGH. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " raiaashish " > > > > <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > > > > Let me first say sorry to you even if my intention was not to cross > > > > verify the precious gift given by you. I can't even think in my entire > > > > life about hurting somebody as revered as you. > > > > > > > > > > Please cool down and try to read the first query carefully. It was > > > > about Jupiter in the 7th and it will be only when I take 10.04 am as > > > > birth time. > > > > > > > > > > Please try to put yourself in my shoes. A person who hasn't earned a > > > > single penny in last 3 years worried about his Kid's future. I am not > > > > worried about the money here but about the future of the kid. > > > > > > > > > > A leaner like me can't even dream about putting one Astrologer(Guru) > > > > against another. > > > > > > > > > > Unless you mention about your forgiveness, I will assume you have not > > > > accpeted my apology > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " kulbirbains@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish Ji; > > > > > > you have indeed committed a blunder; > > > > > > be a gentleman; apologize to Bhaskar Ji; > > > > > > it hurts when someone's hard labour which is obtained through years > > > > of rigorous study is treated like this. > > > > > > the rectification of your birth time might seem to be a freebie to > > > > you but i know only a handful of astrologers are capable of it. and no > > > > money is sufficient to compensate it. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before flitting from one astrologer to another, and asking about > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > confirmations, first dissapprove the hard work done by somebody on > > > > Your > > > > > > > Birth, and then you are welcome to ask for further info. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We must be " Men " and not " butterflies " . You are being utterly > > > > > > > ungrateful when you ask someone to confirm what another has > > > > alfready > > > > > > > confirmed for You. prove the previous confirmation as wrong > > > > > > > astrologically and then talk. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem these days , is that whatever is received for free, > > > > does not > > > > > > > have much value.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around > > > > 10.04 > > > > > > > > am.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do You mean by " Bhaskarji has indicated " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not indicated. I have proved it to you that it is right. > > > > How > > > > > > > > many Astrologers in india can do this for You even if you pay > > > > them a > > > > > > > > Lakh of Rupees ? They cannot do it, because they are not all > > > > capable > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > doing this . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ask any astrologer to dissaprove my given birth timings . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again they were silent when you asked in the Group about > > > > your > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > time, so what right they have now to dissaprove? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please understand that You have been given the right information > > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > from accurate precesion use of astrological principles, and any > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > about it, is not going to serve any purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " > > > > > > > > kulbirbains@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > > > > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules > > > > that > > > > > > > > will help you. > > > > > > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > > > > > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at > > > > the > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > of your birth. > > > > > > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing > > > > walking > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > 3. study of your house. > > > > > > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you > > > > > > > strengthened > > > > > > > > by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if > > > > then > > > > > > > > also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > little knowledge i have. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , aashish rai > > > > > > > > raiaashish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for > > > > your > > > > > > > reply. > > > > > > > > My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 > > > > and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. > > > > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the > > > > > > > > following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn > > > > > > > > > > 4th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 5th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 6th House- Rahu > > > > > > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > 8th House- Moon > > > > > > > > > > 9th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 10th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 11th House †" Sun > > > > > > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > > > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 4th House †" Saturn > > > > > > > > > > 5th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 6th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 7th House- Rahu > > > > > > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > 9th House- Moon > > > > > > > > > > 10th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 11th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 12th House †" Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born > > > > in > > > > > > > > 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > > > > > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > kulbir bains kulbirbains@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > > > > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to > > > > vaham. > > > > > > > > it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the > > > > > > > planatary > > > > > > > > posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > > > > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have > > > > written a > > > > > > > > note on it. hope it helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > > > > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than > > > > males. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social > > > > > > > > institution. > > > > > > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of > > > > moon. It > > > > > > > > is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > > > > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > he is cremated at his birth place. > > > > > > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > > > > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his > > > > fortune. > > > > > > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to > > > > > > > > hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in > > > > birth > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 > > > > and his > > > > > > > > life becomes smoother. > > > > > > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native > > > > with > > > > > > > > large family and good wealth. > > > > > > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously > > > > disciplined, > > > > > > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age > > > > 25-45. > > > > > > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > > > > > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the > > > > > > > > native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is > > > > not > > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted > > > > towards > > > > > > > > religion. > > > > > > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for > > > > > > > > religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going > > > > through a > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful > > > > > > > methods > > > > > > > > to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he > > > > accompanies a > > > > > > > > false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after > > > > > > > > recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and > > > > > > > > doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad > > > > > > > > condition in old age. > > > > > > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains > > > > > > > dormant, > > > > > > > > the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself > > > > he > > > > > > > > shall have to labour manually. > > > > > > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native > > > > > > > > doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood > > > > also > > > > > > > > doesn’t helps or supports him. > > > > > > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, > > > > venus > > > > > > > > his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his > > > > adopted > > > > > > > > son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet > > > > with > > > > > > > > difficulty. > > > > > > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. > > > > if he > > > > > > > > adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth > > > > of > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > > > > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be > > > > with > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > or at his place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > > > > > > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > > > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or > > > > there > > > > > > > > are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and > > > > don't > > > > > > > > have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > > > > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as > > > > fixed > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > > > > > > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > Homepage. > > > > > > > > http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Namaskar Kulbirji, FYI.. Orissa is east India not south. Here astrologers have mostly Bengal infulence. Anyway.. I have read 1952 edition once. Going over it once again but slowly. I have a black spot in left hand in chander burj. Which planet does this suggest? Regards, Aashish , " kulbir " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Dear Ashish ji; > South Indians are best in astrology. > There must be good astrologers in Orissa also. > It is always better to consult someone who can have one to one relation / communication with you. > Desh; Kaal; Patra are fundamentals of astrology techniques. > Academic pursuit is a different field. > Consultation and seeking guidelines is something totally different. > one is a luxury another is necessity. > Regards. > Kulbir Bains > > , " raiaashish " <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbirji Namaskar, > > Thanks for your advice. As far I know there are no true Lal Kitab experts in Orissa. If you happen to know can you please pass on the info. > > > > Regards, > > Aashish > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that will help you. > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the time of your birth. > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking etc. > > > 3. study of your house. > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you strengthened by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little knowledge i have. > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > , aashish rai <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn > > > > 4th house- Vacant > > > > 5th House- Vacant > > > > 6th House- Rahu > > > > 7th House- Jupiter > > > > 8th House- Moon > > > > 9th house- Vacant > > > > 10th House- Vacant > > > > 11th House †" Sun > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant > > > > 4th House †" Saturn > > > > 5th house- Vacant > > > > 6th House- Vacant > > > > 7th House- Rahu > > > > 8th House- Jupiter > > > > 9th House- Moon > > > > 10th house- Vacant > > > > 11th House- Vacant > > > > 12th House †" Sun > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a note on it. hope it helps. > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males. > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social institution. > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise he is cremated at his birth place. > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune. > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes smoother. > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with large family and good wealth. > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined, > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45. > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion. > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad condition in old age. > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have to labour manually. > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or supports him. > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty. > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him or at his place. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Sorry brother; i am living in a village; for us anybody other than punjab haryana himachal delhi rajashthan and assam sikkim etc. is a south indian.i stand corrected.thanksRegards Kulbir Bains---------- Original message ----------"raiaashish"< raiaashish >07 Jan 10 16:09:14 Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter Namaskar Kulbirji, FYI.. Orissa is east India not south. Here astrologers have mostly Bengal infulence. Anyway.. I have read 1952 edition once. Going over it once again but slowly. I have a black spot in left hand in chander burj. Which planet does this suggest? Regards, Aashish , "kulbir" <kulbirbains wrote: > > Dear Ashish ji; > South Indians are best in astrology. > There must be good astrologers in Orissa also. > It is always better to consult someone who can have one to one relation / communication with you. > Desh; Kaal; Patra are fundamentals of astrology techniques. > Academic pursuit is a different field. > Consultation and seeking guidelines is something totally different. > one is a luxury another is necessity. > Regards. > Kulbir Bains > > , "raiaashish" <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbirji Namaskar, > > Thanks for your advice. As far I know there are no true Lal Kitab experts in Orissa. If you happen to know can you please pass on the info. > > > > Regards, > > Aashish > > > > > > , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that will help you. > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the time of your birth. > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking etc. > > > 3. study of your house. > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you strengthened by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little knowledge i have. > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > , aashish rai <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > 1st house ¢€" Mars and Venus > > > > 2nd house ¢€" Vacant > > > > 3rd House ¢€" Saturn > > > > 4th house- Vacant > > > > 5th House- Vacant > > > > 6th House- Rahu > > > > 7th House- Jupiter > > > > 8th House- Moon > > > > 9th house- Vacant > > > > 10th House- Vacant > > > > 11th House ¢€" Sun > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > > > 2nd house ¢€" Mars and Venus > > > > 3nd house ¢€" Vacant > > > > 4th House ¢€" Saturn > > > > 5th house- Vacant > > > > 6th House- Vacant > > > > 7th House- Rahu > > > > 8th House- Jupiter > > > > 9th House- Moon > > > > 10th house- Vacant > > > > 11th House- Vacant > > > > 12th House ¢€" Sun > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a note on it. hope it helps. > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males. > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social institution. > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise he is cremated at his birth place. > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune. > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes smoother. > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with large family and good wealth. > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined, > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45. > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native¢€™s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion. > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and doesn¢€™t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad condition in old age. > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have to labour manually. > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn¢€™t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn¢€™t helps or supports him. > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty. > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him or at his place. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > > > >"raiaashish"< raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Dear Mr. Ashish Ji, Question //I have read 1952 edition once. Going over it once again but slowly. I have a black spot in left hand in chander burj. Which planet does this suggest?// Answer : Please start from 1939 edition. This edition has the information you are looking for. Don't take any line or mark in isolation; check all lines; timing of events from lines. Correlate the lines, mounts, marks, etc with your natal horoscope plus the Varshphal prepared by lalkitab Varshphal Chart coinciding with timing. This will reveal what the mark/spot means. Regards Kulbir Bains. , " kulbir bains " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Sorry brother; i am living in a village; for us anybody other than punjab haryana himachal delhi rajashthan and assam sikkim etc. is a south indian.i stand corrected.thanksRegards Kulbir Bains Original message " raiaashish " < raiaashish >07 Jan 10 16:09:14Subject:[nastrology] Re: Lalkitab Jupiternastrology Namaskar Kulbirji, FYI.. Orissa is east India not south. Here astrologers have mostly Bengal infulence. Anyway.. I have read 1952 edition once. Going over it once again but slowly. I have a black spot in left hand in chander burj. Which planet does this suggest?Regards, Aashish In nastrology , " kulbir " wrote: > > Dear Ashish ji; > South Indians are best in astrology. > There must be good astrologers in Orissa also. > It is always better to consult someone who can have one to one relation / communication with you. > Desh; Kaal; Patra are fundamentals of astrology techniques. > Acade > mic pursuit is a different field. > Consultation and seeking guidelines is something totally different. > one is a luxury another is necessity. > Regards. > Kulbir Bains >> In nastrology , " raiaashish " wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbirji Namaskar, > > Thanks for your advice. As far I know there are no true Lal Kitab experts in Orissa. If you happen to know can you please pass on the info. > >> > Regards, > > Aashish > > > >> > In nastrology , " kulbir " wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that will help you. > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the time of your birth. > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking etc. > > > 3. study of your house. > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you strengthened by your actions and what planets you have s > poiled. > > >> > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little knowledge i have. > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > >> > >> > > In nastrology , aashish raiwrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's14/11/1965 and the place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > >> > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > >> > > > 1st house ¢€ " Mars and Venus > > > > 2nd house ¢€ " Vacant > > > > 3rd House ¢€ " Saturn > > > > 4th house Vacant > > > > 5th House Vacant > > > > 6th House Rahu > > > > 7th House Jupiter > > > > 8th House Moon > > > > 9th house Vacant > > > > 10th House Vacant > > > > 11th Ho > use ¢€ " Sun > > > > 12th House Mer, Ketu > > > >> > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > >> > > > 1st House Mer, Ketu > > > > 2nd house ¢€ " Mars and Venus > > > > 3nd house ¢€ " Vacant > > > > 4th House ¢€ " Saturn > > > > 5th house Vacant > > > > 6th House Vacant > > > > 7th House Rahu > > > > 8th House Jupiter > > > > 9th House Moon > > > > 10th house Vacant > > > > 11th House Vacant > > > > 12th House ¢€ " Sun > > > >> > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > > > Aashish > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > kulbir bains> > > > nastrology> > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > > Subject: Re:[nastrology] Lalkitab Jupiter > > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. > it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a note on it. hope it helps. > > > >> > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males. > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social institution. > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise he is cremated at his birth place. > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune. > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becom > es smoother. > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with large family and good wealth. > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined,> > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 2545. > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native¢€™s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion. > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and doesn¢€™t cares about his progeny, which res > ults in his bad condition in old age. > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have to labour manually. > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn¢€™t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn¢€™t helps or supports him. > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty. > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad > will be with him or at his place. > > > >> > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > Original message > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > >Subject:[n astrology] Lalkitab Jupiter > > > > >To: n astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by bhaskarjiin this forum). > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > .,. Reply to sender |Reply to group Mess > ages in this topic (26) Recent Activity:New Members 12 Visit Your Group Start a New Topic MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your resource for green livingSwitch to: TextOnly, Daily Digest • Un • Terms of Use .,., > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Dear Ashish, Normally black mole represent Saturn, sometimes it also represent Rahu, if bigger and irregular in size and shape with different color. Since it is present on left hand on the mount of moon so it could mean 'phobia of water'. It also indicate Saturn and Moon relationship in the horoscope in your horoscope. Thankyou, Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " raiaashish " <raiaashish wrote: > > Namaskar Kulbirji, > FYI.. Orissa is east India not south. Here astrologers have mostly Bengal infulence. > > Anyway.. I have read 1952 edition once. Going over it once again but slowly. I have a black spot in left hand in chander burj. Which planet does this suggest? > > Regards, > Aashish > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > South Indians are best in astrology. > > There must be good astrologers in Orissa also. > > It is always better to consult someone who can have one to one relation / communication with you. > > Desh; Kaal; Patra are fundamentals of astrology techniques. > > Academic pursuit is a different field. > > Consultation and seeking guidelines is something totally different. > > one is a luxury another is necessity. > > Regards. > > Kulbir Bains > > > > , " raiaashish " <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > Thanks for your advice. As far I know there are no true Lal Kitab experts in Orissa. If you happen to know can you please pass on the info. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that will help you. > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the time of your birth. > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking etc. > > > > 3. study of your house. > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you strengthened by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little knowledge i have. > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > , aashish rai <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant > > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn > > > > > 4th house- Vacant > > > > > 5th House- Vacant > > > > > 6th House- Rahu > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter > > > > > 8th House- Moon > > > > > 9th house- Vacant > > > > > 10th House- Vacant > > > > > 11th House †" Sun > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant > > > > > 4th House †" Saturn > > > > > 5th house- Vacant > > > > > 6th House- Vacant > > > > > 7th House- Rahu > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter > > > > > 9th House- Moon > > > > > 10th house- Vacant > > > > > 11th House- Vacant > > > > > 12th House †" Sun > > > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a note on it. hope it helps. > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males. > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social institution. > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise he is cremated at his birth place. > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune. > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes smoother. > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with large family and good wealth. > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined, > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45. > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion. > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad condition in old age. > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have to labour manually. > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or supports him. > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty. > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him or at his place. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Dear Vijay Goel Ji; I would like to mention 2 points here. 1. There was a young person from tanda Jallandhar. He published a book titled Sunheri Kitab. A very small book i think it had only 60-70 pages based on lalkitab. He dealt with the subject of moles extensively. He published part 1 only and expired in an unfortunate accident. I had the book for some years but gave it to somebody. it is out of edition. kindly try to locate a copy from your resources. 2. As you know it always helps a professional astrologer to tell the native about something that only the native knows. There are few tricks of the trade. one is related to mole/til on male organ. The astrologer sees a kundali or palm and tells that the native that you have a til at this place. Your goodself being a science graduate must be knowing what type of skin cells makes a til and this tricks works in 99.5 percent cases. Regards Kulbir Bains. vijay.goel <goyalvj Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:56 pm Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter Dear Ashish, Normally black mole represent Saturn, sometimes it also represent Rahu, if bigger and irregular in size and shape with different color. Since it is present on left hand on the mount of moon so it could mean 'phobia of water'. It also indicate Saturn and Moon relationship in the horoscope in your horoscope. Thankyou, Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , "raiaashish" <raiaashish wrote: > > Namaskar Kulbirji, > FYI.. Orissa is east India not south. Here astrologers have mostly Bengal infulence. > > Anyway.. I have read 1952 edition once. Going over it once again but slowly. I have a black spot in left hand in chander burj. Which planet does this suggest? > > Regards, > Aashish > > , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > South Indians are best in astrology. > > There must be good astrologers in Orissa also. > > It is always better to consult someone who can have one to one relation / communication with you. > > Desh; Kaal; Patra are fundamentals of astrology techniques. > > Academic pursuit is a different field. > > Consultation and seeking guidelines is something totally different. > > one is a luxury another is necessity. > > Regards. > > Kulbir Bains > > > > , "raiaashish" <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > Thanks for your advice. As far I know there are no true Lal Kitab experts in Orissa. If you happen to know can you please pass on the info. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that will help you. > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the time of your birth. > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking etc. > > > > 3. study of your house. > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you strengthened by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little knowledge i have. > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > , aashish rai <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > 1st house â€" Mars and Venus > > > > > 2nd house â€" Vacant > > > > > 3rd House â€" Saturn > > > > > 4th house- Vacant > > > > > 5th House- Vacant > > > > > 6th House- Rahu > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter > > > > > 8th House- Moon > > > > > 9th house- Vacant > > > > > 10th House- Vacant > > > > > 11th House â€" Sun > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > 2nd house â€" Mars and Venus > > > > > 3nd house â€" Vacant > > > > > 4th House â€" Saturn > > > > > 5th house- Vacant > > > > > 6th House- Vacant > > > > > 7th House- Rahu > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter > > > > > 9th House- Moon > > > > > 10th house- Vacant > > > > > 11th House- Vacant > > > > > 12th House â€" Sun > > > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a note on it. hope it helps. > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males. > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social institution. > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise he is cremated at his birth place. > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune. > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes smoother. > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with large family and good wealth. > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined, > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45. > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion. > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad condition in old age. > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have to labour manually. > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or supports him. > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty. > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him or at his place. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > > > > >"raiaashish"< raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Dear Kulbhir Bhaiji, I will try to locate 'sunheri kitab' if someone would have it in Jaipur. If we seriously try to locate at international publisher, we can get many books and research work on moles. This method is still used extensively by Chinese, Japanese cult. Many Indian works has been published by western researchers. I have mention one blogger link on moles while discussing over it in one of the palmistry forum. You had recently joined that forum and made post on LK. I have taught palmistry to few students but myself donot able to develop interest on it and not able to grasp this subject very thoroughly. Very contradicting hmmm... About the 'trick you are saying' i also have knowledge on it, but i had never verified it. Medically mole is the dead skin or a bunch of hairs. So normally moles is indicated by Saturn, but sometimes it is indicated by rahu also, you know that Rahu is also the karak of nails as per LK. As per LK person having Rahu + venus in their horoscope has the tendency to keep long nail in their small finger. [you know Mahajanji physically verified this on the phone with one of my client ] ---------- LK is the finest book which co-related palmistry with horoscope. Shri R G Rao from Bangalore had also done very good work to co-link palmistry and horoscope based on Nadi literature. Some good original work on this linkage is also done by German astrologer, but their work are only published in German language. More you can easily talk with Mr. Bhandari ji. --------- I hope we are meeting soon , to enjoy & celebrate astrology . Thankyou, Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains wrote: > > > Dear Vijay Goel Ji; > I would like to mention 2 points here. > 1. There was a young person from tanda Jallandhar. He published a book titled Sunheri Kitab. A very small book i think it had only 60-70 pages based on lalkitab. He dealt with the subject of moles extensively. He published part 1 only and expired in an unfortunate accident. I had the book for some years but gave it to somebody. it is out of edition. kindly try to locate a copy from your resources. > > 2. As you know it always helps a professional astrologer to tell the native about something that only the native knows. There are few tricks of the trade. one is related to mole/til on male organ. The astrologer sees a kundali or palm and tells that the native that you have a til at this place. Your goodself being a science graduate must be knowing what type of skin cells makes a til and this tricks works in 99.5 percent cases. > > > > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > vijay.goel <goyalvj > > Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:56 pm > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > Dear Ashish, > > Normally black mole represent Saturn, sometimes it also represent Rahu, if bigger and irregular in size and shape with different color. > > Since it is present on left hand on the mount of moon so it could mean 'phobia of water'. > > It also indicate Saturn and Moon relationship in the horoscope in your horoscope. > > Thankyou, > Best Wishes, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > , " raiaashish " <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > Namaskar Kulbirji, > > FYI.. Orissa is east India not south. Here astrologers have mostly Bengal infulence. > > > > Anyway.. I have read 1952 edition once. Going over it once again but slowly. I have a black spot in left hand in chander burj. Which planet does this suggest? > > > > Regards, > > Aashish > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > South Indians are best in astrology. > > > There must be good astrologers in Orissa also. > > > It is always better to consult someone who can have one to one relation / communication with you. > > > Desh; Kaal; Patra are fundamentals of astrology techniques. > > > Academic pursuit is a different field. > > > Consultation and seeking guidelines is something totally different. > > > one is a luxury another is necessity. > > > Regards. > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > , " raiaashish " <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > Thanks for your advice. As far I know there are no true Lal Kitab experts in Orissa. If you happen to know can you please pass on the info. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that will help you. > > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the time of your birth. > > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking etc. > > > > > 3. study of your house. > > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you strengthened by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little knowledge i have. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , aashish rai <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant > > > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn > > > > > > 4th house- Vacant > > > > > > 5th House- Vacant > > > > > > 6th House- Rahu > > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter > > > > > > 8th House- Moon > > > > > > 9th house- Vacant > > > > > > 10th House- Vacant > > > > > > 11th House †" Sun > > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant > > > > > > 4th House †" Saturn > > > > > > 5th house- Vacant > > > > > > 6th House- Vacant > > > > > > 7th House- Rahu > > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter > > > > > > 9th House- Moon > > > > > > 10th house- Vacant > > > > > > 11th House- Vacant > > > > > > 12th House †" Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a note on it. hope it helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males. > > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social institution. > > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise he is cremated at his birth place. > > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune. > > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes smoother. > > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with large family and good wealth. > > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined, > > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45. > > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion. > > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad condition in old age. > > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have to labour manually. > > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or supports him. > > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty. > > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him or at his place. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Sir, Thanks for the information. Undoubtedly Mr. Rabinder Bhandari is numero uno in this field. Regards Kulbir Bains. vijay.goel <goyalvj Sun, 10 Jan 2010 3:42 pm Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter Dear Kulbhir Bhaiji, I will try to locate 'sunheri kitab' if someone would have it in Jaipur. If we seriously try to locate at international publisher, we can get many books and research work on moles. This method is still used extensively by Chinese, Japanese cult. Many Indian works has been published by western researchers. I have mention one blogger link on moles while discussing over it in one of the palmistry forum. You had recently joined that forum and made post on LK. I have taught palmistry to few students but myself donot able to develop interest on it and not able to grasp this subject very thoroughly. Very contradicting hmmm... About the 'trick you are saying' i also have knowledge on it, but i had never verified it. Medically mole is the dead skin or a bunch of hairs. So normally moles is indicated by Saturn, but sometimes it is indicated by rahu also, you know that Rahu is also the karak of nails as per LK. As per LK person having Rahu + venus in their horoscope has the tendency to keep long nail in their small finger. [you know Mahajanji physically verified this on the phone with one of my client ] ---------- LK is the finest book which co-related palmistry with horoscope. Shri R G Rao from Bangalore had also done very good work to co-link palmistry and horoscope based on Nadi literature. Some good original work on this linkage is also done by German astrologer, but their work are only published in German language. More you can easily talk with Mr. Bhandari ji. --------- I hope we are meeting soon , to enjoy & celebrate astrology . Thankyou, Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains wrote: > > > Dear Vijay Goel Ji; > I would like to mention 2 points here. > 1. There was a young person from tanda Jallandhar. He published a book titled Sunheri Kitab. A very small book i think it had only 60-70 pages based on lalkitab. He dealt with the subject of moles extensively. He published part 1 only and expired in an unfortunate accident. I had the book for some years but gave it to somebody. it is out of edition. kindly try to locate a copy from your resources. > > 2. As you know it always helps a professional astrologer to tell the native about something that only the native knows. There are few tricks of the trade. one is related to mole/til on male organ. The astrologer sees a kundali or palm and tells that the native that you have a til at this place. Your goodself being a science graduate must be knowing what type of skin cells makes a til and this tricks works in 99.5 percent cases. > > > > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj > > Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:56 pm > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > Dear Ashish, > > Normally black mole represent Saturn, sometimes it also represent Rahu, if bigger and irregular in size and shape with different color. > > Since it is present on left hand on the mount of moon so it could mean 'phobia of water'. > > It also indicate Saturn and Moon relationship in the horoscope in your horoscope. > > Thankyou, > Best Wishes, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > , "raiaashish" <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > Namaskar Kulbirji, > > FYI.. Orissa is east India not south. Here astrologers have mostly Bengal infulence. > > > > Anyway.. I have read 1952 edition once. Going over it once again but slowly. I have a black spot in left hand in chander burj. Which planet does this suggest? > > > > Regards, > > Aashish > > > > , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > South Indians are best in astrology. > > > There must be good astrologers in Orissa also. > > > It is always better to consult someone who can have one to one relation / communication with you. > > > Desh; Kaal; Patra are fundamentals of astrology techniques. > > > Academic pursuit is a different field. > > > Consultation and seeking guidelines is something totally different. > > > one is a luxury another is necessity. > > > Regards. > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > , "raiaashish" <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > Thanks for your advice. As far I know there are no true Lal Kitab experts in Orissa. If you happen to know can you please pass on the info. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that will help you. > > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the time of your birth. > > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking etc. > > > > > 3. study of your house. > > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you strengthened by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little knowledge i have. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , aashish rai <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st house â€" Mars and Venus > > > > > > 2nd house â€" Vacant > > > > > > 3rd House â€" Saturn > > > > > > 4th house- Vacant > > > > > > 5th House- Vacant > > > > > > 6th House- Rahu > > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter > > > > > > 8th House- Moon > > > > > > 9th house- Vacant > > > > > > 10th House- Vacant > > > > > > 11th House â€" Sun > > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > 2nd house â€" Mars and Venus > > > > > > 3nd house â€" Vacant > > > > > > 4th House â€" Saturn > > > > > > 5th house- Vacant > > > > > > 6th House- Vacant > > > > > > 7th House- Rahu > > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter > > > > > > 9th House- Moon > > > > > > 10th house- Vacant > > > > > > 11th House- Vacant > > > > > > 12th House â€" Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a note on it. hope it helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males. > > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social institution. > > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise he is cremated at his birth place. > > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune. > > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes smoother. > > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with large family and good wealth. > > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined, > > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45. > > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion. > > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad condition in old age. > > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have to labour manually. > > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or supports him. > > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty. > > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him or at his place. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > > > > > >"raiaashish"< raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Dear Aashish ji, //We should do the work without expectation of any fruit. // You mean a Surgeon should do an operation without expecting the operation to get successfull ? You mean that a student should give his Exams and not expect to pass ? You mean that a man should work for an whole month but should not expect his salary in the first week of the subsequent month ? Does this happen in real Life ? Is this possible ? Does anybody act in this way without expecting results ? No , this thinking is illogical, this meaning is absurd and futile.. Actually a person should work and leave the results of whatever has to come - to his Destiny. Actually a person should work and do not bother about the fructifications, because they are bound to happen, and will come to him sooner or later. The person is advised to do his duties and not expect the positive or negative effects whatever is going to come, in his mind and heart, because the results is mandatory to come along , once an action has been done. So God does not ask one not to expect results, but He says That one should continue doing his duties without worrying for when the results would fructify or what results they would fructify into. please comment.... Those who have uptil now not commented, please do not comment now, and let us continue to discuss for some time before you enter the thread and comment on our " comments " . Bhaskae. - In , " raiaashish " <raiaashish wrote: > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > Let me try to explain my understanding: > //First you please explain me the meaning-translation of " If we have to just follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " // > > This teaching of Shri Krishna from Geeta advices us to do our work and leave the fruits to God. We should do the work without expectation of any fruit. > > Intent of my question was what role Astrology/Astrologer has to play here. > > Regards, > Aashish > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > dear aashish ji, > > > > Good discussion is going to ensue now from your Query. I like this. > > > > First you please explain me the meaning-translation of " If we have to just follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " > > > > Then I will write further about what must be the stance actually to be understood by this shloka, which people have actually misunderstood. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " raiaashish " <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > > You are so brilliant and have such vast experience in astrology and life. Please enlighten me on this confusion. If we have to just follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " principle then why to go to an Astrologer or learn astrology for that matter. After all everything is going to happen as predestined. then why bother to know anything if it can't be changed. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay Dear Aashish, > > > > > > > > I accept your innocent explanations, and myself feel sorry for having > > > > misunderstood you. > > > > > > > > But tell me how is your post about " Lagna Confirmations " , going to solve > > > > your Problem ? > > > > > > > > About your son, or my son, or his son, or their sons, we are NOT God, to > > > > carve their destinies. This has already been carved before their births. > > > > Our job is only to do our duties. Leave the " worry " part to the Lord. > > > > > > > > I have not earned a penny for myself for about 20 Years, but I have > > > > earnt lakhs of ruppees for my employer. Is that not enough ? And my > > > > employer was my own father. You need more informations from me ??? then > > > > come to my place in Bombay. I will enlighten you further. > > > > > > > > We are such ordinary people that we cant even carve our own destinies, > > > > so forget about us looking or being responsible for the destiny of our > > > > close ones. > > > > > > > > As a good man, a responsible man, as a res;ponsible father, a > > > > responsible husband, a respnsible human being, just go on doing your > > > > duties, work hard, and after that if pennies comes, or dollars comes, we > > > > are n ot to worry, that is Gods job. I know this much for sure, that HE > > > > DOES NOT LEAVE US HUNGRY BEFORE SLEEP, IF WE WORK HARD ENOUGH. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " raiaashish " > > > > <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > > > > Let me first say sorry to you even if my intention was not to cross > > > > verify the precious gift given by you. I can't even think in my entire > > > > life about hurting somebody as revered as you. > > > > > > > > > > Please cool down and try to read the first query carefully. It was > > > > about Jupiter in the 7th and it will be only when I take 10.04 am as > > > > birth time. > > > > > > > > > > Please try to put yourself in my shoes. A person who hasn't earned a > > > > single penny in last 3 years worried about his Kid's future. I am not > > > > worried about the money here but about the future of the kid. > > > > > > > > > > A leaner like me can't even dream about putting one Astrologer(Guru) > > > > against another. > > > > > > > > > > Unless you mention about your forgiveness, I will assume you have not > > > > accpeted my apology > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " kulbirbains@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish Ji; > > > > > > you have indeed committed a blunder; > > > > > > be a gentleman; apologize to Bhaskar Ji; > > > > > > it hurts when someone's hard labour which is obtained through years > > > > of rigorous study is treated like this. > > > > > > the rectification of your birth time might seem to be a freebie to > > > > you but i know only a handful of astrologers are capable of it. and no > > > > money is sufficient to compensate it. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before flitting from one astrologer to another, and asking about > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > confirmations, first dissapprove the hard work done by somebody on > > > > Your > > > > > > > Birth, and then you are welcome to ask for further info. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We must be " Men " and not " butterflies " . You are being utterly > > > > > > > ungrateful when you ask someone to confirm what another has > > > > alfready > > > > > > > confirmed for You. prove the previous confirmation as wrong > > > > > > > astrologically and then talk. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem these days , is that whatever is received for free, > > > > does not > > > > > > > have much value.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be around > > > > 10.04 > > > > > > > > am.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do You mean by " Bhaskarji has indicated " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not indicated. I have proved it to you that it is right. > > > > How > > > > > > > > many Astrologers in india can do this for You even if you pay > > > > them a > > > > > > > > Lakh of Rupees ? They cannot do it, because they are not all > > > > capable > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > doing this . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ask any astrologer to dissaprove my given birth timings . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again they were silent when you asked in the Group about > > > > your > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > time, so what right they have now to dissaprove? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please understand that You have been given the right information > > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > from accurate precesion use of astrological principles, and any > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > about it, is not going to serve any purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " > > > > > > > > kulbirbains@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > > > > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules > > > > that > > > > > > > > will help you. > > > > > > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > > > > > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at > > > > the > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > of your birth. > > > > > > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing > > > > walking > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > 3. study of your house. > > > > > > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you > > > > > > > strengthened > > > > > > > > by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if > > > > then > > > > > > > > also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > little knowledge i have. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , aashish rai > > > > > > > > raiaashish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for > > > > your > > > > > > > reply. > > > > > > > > My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 > > > > and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. > > > > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the > > > > > > > > following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn > > > > > > > > > > 4th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 5th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 6th House- Rahu > > > > > > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > 8th House- Moon > > > > > > > > > > 9th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 10th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 11th House †" Sun > > > > > > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > > > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 4th House †" Saturn > > > > > > > > > > 5th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 6th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 7th House- Rahu > > > > > > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > 9th House- Moon > > > > > > > > > > 10th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 11th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > 12th House †" Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born > > > > in > > > > > > > > 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in life. > > > > > > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > kulbir bains kulbirbains@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > > > > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to > > > > vaham. > > > > > > > > it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the > > > > > > > planatary > > > > > > > > posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > > > > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have > > > > written a > > > > > > > > note on it. hope it helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > > > > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than > > > > males. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social > > > > > > > > institution. > > > > > > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of > > > > moon. It > > > > > > > > is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > > > > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > he is cremated at his birth place. > > > > > > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > > > > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his > > > > fortune. > > > > > > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to > > > > > > > > hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in > > > > birth > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 > > > > and his > > > > > > > > life becomes smoother. > > > > > > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native > > > > with > > > > > > > > large family and good wealth. > > > > > > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously > > > > disciplined, > > > > > > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age > > > > 25-45. > > > > > > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology > > > > > > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the > > > > > > > > native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is > > > > not > > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > that he will also be at par with them. He is too much devoted > > > > towards > > > > > > > > religion. > > > > > > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for > > > > > > > > religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going > > > > through a > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful > > > > > > > methods > > > > > > > > to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he > > > > accompanies a > > > > > > > > false guru or such religious personality. He hankers after > > > > > > > > recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age and > > > > > > > > doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad > > > > > > > > condition in old age. > > > > > > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains > > > > > > > dormant, > > > > > > > > the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself > > > > he > > > > > > > > shall have to labour manually. > > > > > > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native > > > > > > > > doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood > > > > also > > > > > > > > doesn’t helps or supports him. > > > > > > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, > > > > venus > > > > > > > > his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his > > > > adopted > > > > > > > > son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet > > > > with > > > > > > > > difficulty. > > > > > > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. > > > > if he > > > > > > > > adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth > > > > of > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > > > > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be > > > > with > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > or at his place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > > > > > > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > > > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or > > > > there > > > > > > > > are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and > > > > don't > > > > > > > > have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > > > > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as > > > > fixed > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > > > > > > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > Homepage. > > > > > > > > http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Namaskar Bhaskarji,What you are saying is the same thing I am saying but may be it's my choice of words that is not conveying the meaning. It's "nishkam karm" as told in hindi. Everything is the way one defines "Success". After all who is going to decide what is "nishkam karma". 1. For a Student if the whole intention is to pass the exam with top marks than we will spend money for coaching/tuition to learn the tricks/methods rather than studying the subjects well. After all there are many students who make it to IIT after many attempts but struggle after getting admission. 2. Surgeon should do the operation to make it successful. But that depends on the the intention. A doctor who is money minded will do the operation only if gets his fees. His logic is I am charging my fee. For rich patient the cost doesn't matter as long as the doctor is good but for poor On the other hand a doctor with good herat may waive off his fees and do the operation as he thinks he can save a life. 3. A person should do his job for salary. But how much salary is just who decides. You work for whole year with good intention to get a raise. But your colleague butters his boss at gets the raise without much effort. Now who is successful?Mahatma Gandhi lived on his beliefs good/bad and was one of the person instrumental in India's Freedom. But his entire family suffered hell. On the other hand Nehru was also involved but not only enjoyed his life but also generations after him are enjoying.Bhaskarji please pardon me but think for a minute if great rishis (eg. Parashara Muni) would have thought about his success than what would have happened to astrology. This whole debate can go on for ever. In the end it's the term Success which is determined by the con since of the doer. It's all relative. My original question was where Astrology fits in this.Regards,Aashish Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Sun, 10 January, 2010 11:48:26 AM Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter Dear Aashish ji, //We should do the work without expectation of any fruit. // You mean a Surgeon should do an operation without expecting the operation to get successfull ? You mean that a student should give his Exams and not expect to pass ? You mean that a man should work for an whole month but should not expect his salary in the first week of the subsequent month ? Does this happen in real Life ? Is this possible ? Does anybody act in this way without expecting results ? No , this thinking is illogical, this meaning is absurd and futile.. Actually a person should work and leave the results of whatever has to come - to his Destiny. Actually a person should work and do not bother about the fructifications, because they are bound to happen, and will come to him sooner or later. The person is advised to do his duties and not expect the positive or negative effects whatever is going to come, in his mind and heart, because the results is mandatory to come along , once an action has been done. So God does not ask one not to expect results, but He says That one should continue doing his duties without worrying for when the results would fructify or what results they would fructify into. please comment.... Those who have uptil now not commented, please do not comment now, and let us continue to discuss for some time before you enter the thread and comment on our "comments". Bhaskae. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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