Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Dear Aashish ji, Namaskaar. We were talking about " forgetting results and leaving results to God " , which is not the right interpretation of the shloka. Nishkaam Karma sounds very nice in saying, but does not work actually. We even breathe to live. One has sex to enjoy. One drinks water to quench his thirst. remove the Kama from the karma, and the Karma ceases to be. The actual interpretation is that " the results are bound to come, so do not worry about the results, but continue doing your duties to the best of your abilities " . The interpretation cannot be " Do your Karma and forget the results or leave them to the Lord " . because the lord has nothing to do with the results of our karmas. This duty the lord has given to the Mother Nature, and God is not directly involved in remitting us the Phala,Paap or Punya, of our karmas. Now You were talking about astrology fitting here. But where ? where do you want astrology to fit in above ? regrds, Bhaskar. , aashish rai <raiaashish wrote: > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > What you are saying is the same thing I am saying but may be it's my choice of words that is not conveying the meaning. It's " nishkam karm " as told in hindi. Everything is the way one defines " Success " . After all who is going to decide what is " nishkam karma " . > > 1. For a Student if the whole intention is to pass the exam with top marks than we will spend money for coaching/tuition to learn the tricks/methods rather than studying the subjects well. After all there are many students who make it to IIT after many attempts but struggle after getting admission. > > 2. Surgeon should do the operation to make it successful. But that depends on the the intention. A doctor who is money minded will do the operation only if gets his fees. His logic is I am charging my fee. For rich patient the cost doesn't matter as long as the doctor is good but for poor On the other hand a doctor with good herat may waive off his fees and do the operation as he thinks he can save a life. > > 3. A person should do his job for salary. But how much salary is just who decides. You work for whole year with good intention to get a raise. But your colleague butters his boss at gets the raise without much effort. Now who is successful? > > Mahatma Gandhi lived on his beliefs good/bad and was one of the person instrumental in India's Freedom. But his entire family suffered hell. On the other hand Nehru was also involved but not only enjoyed his life but also generations after him are enjoying. > > Bhaskarji please pardon me but think for a minute if great rishis (eg. Parashara Muni) would have thought about his success than what would have happened to astrology. > > This whole debate can go on for ever. In the end it's the term Success which is determined by the con since of the doer. It's all relative. > > My original question was where Astrology fits in this. > > Regards, > Aashish > > > > > ________________________________ > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > Sun, 10 January, 2010 11:48:26 AM > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > Dear Aashish ji, > > //We should do the work without expectation of any fruit. // > > You mean a Surgeon should do an operation without expecting the > operation to get successfull ? > > You mean that a student should give his Exams and not expect to pass ? > > You mean that a man should work for an whole month but should not expect > his salary in the first week of the subsequent month ? > > Does this happen in real Life ? Is this possible ? Does anybody act in > this way without expecting results ? > > No , this thinking is illogical, this meaning is absurd and futile.. > > Actually a person should work and leave the results of whatever has to > come - to his Destiny. > > Actually a person should work and do not bother about the > fructifications, because they are bound to happen, and will come to him > sooner or later. The person is advised to do his duties and not expect > the positive or negative effects whatever is going to come, in his mind > and heart, because the results is mandatory to come along , once an > action has been done. So God does not ask one not to expect results, but > He says That one should continue doing his duties without worrying for > when the results would fructify or what results they would fructify > into. > > please comment.... > > Those who have uptil now not commented, please do not comment now, and > let us continue to discuss for some time before you enter the thread and > comment on our " comments " . > > Bhaskae. > > - In ancient_indian_ astrology, " raiaashish " > <raiaashish@ ...> wrote: > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > Let me try to explain my understanding: > > //First you please explain me the meaning-translation of " If we have > to just follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " // > > > > This teaching of Shri Krishna from Geeta advices us to do our work and > leave the fruits to God. We should do the work without expectation of > any fruit. > > > > Intent of my question was what role Astrology/Astrologe r has to play > here. > > > > Regards, > > Aashish > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > dear aashish ji, > > > > > > Good discussion is going to ensue now from your Query. I like this. > > > > > > First you please explain me the meaning-translation of " If we have > to just follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " > > > > > > Then I will write further about what must be the stance actually to > be understood by this shloka, which people have actually misunderstood. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " raiaashish " > <raiaashish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > > > You are so brilliant and have such vast experience in astrology > and life. Please enlighten me on this confusion. If we have to just > follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " principle then why to go to an > Astrologer or learn astrology for that matter. After all everything is > going to happen as predestined. then why bother to know anything if it > can't be changed. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay Dear Aashish, > > > > > > > > > > I accept your innocent explanations, and myself feel sorry for > having > > > > > misunderstood you. > > > > > > > > > > But tell me how is your post about " Lagna Confirmations " , going > to solve > > > > > your Problem ? > > > > > > > > > > About your son, or my son, or his son, or their sons, we are NOT > God, to > > > > > carve their destinies. This has already been carved before their > births. > > > > > Our job is only to do our duties. Leave the " worry " part to the > Lord. > > > > > > > > > > I have not earned a penny for myself for about 20 Years, but I > have > > > > > earnt lakhs of ruppees for my employer. Is that not enough ? And > my > > > > > employer was my own father. You need more informations from me > ??? then > > > > > come to my place in Bombay. I will enlighten you further. > > > > > > > > > > We are such ordinary people that we cant even carve our own > destinies, > > > > > so forget about us looking or being responsible for the destiny > of our > > > > > close ones. > > > > > > > > > > As a good man, a responsible man, as a res;ponsible father, a > > > > > responsible husband, a respnsible human being, just go on doing > your > > > > > duties, work hard, and after that if pennies comes, or dollars > comes, we > > > > > are n ot to worry, that is Gods job. I know this much for sure, > that HE > > > > > DOES NOT LEAVE US HUNGRY BEFORE SLEEP, IF WE WORK HARD ENOUGH. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " raiaashish " > > > > > <raiaashish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > > > > > Let me first say sorry to you even if my intention was not to > cross > > > > > verify the precious gift given by you. I can't even think in my > entire > > > > > life about hurting somebody as revered as you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please cool down and try to read the first query carefully. It > was > > > > > about Jupiter in the 7th and it will be only when I take 10.04 > am as > > > > > birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please try to put yourself in my shoes. A person who hasn't > earned a > > > > > single penny in last 3 years worried about his Kid's future. I > am not > > > > > worried about the money here but about the future of the kid. > > > > > > > > > > > > A leaner like me can't even dream about putting one > Astrologer(Guru) > > > > > against another. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you mention about your forgiveness, I will assume you > have not > > > > > accpeted my apology > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " kulbir " > kulbirbains@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish Ji; > > > > > > > you have indeed committed a blunder; > > > > > > > be a gentleman; apologize to Bhaskar Ji; > > > > > > > it hurts when someone's hard labour which is obtained > through years > > > > > of rigorous study is treated like this. > > > > > > > the rectification of your birth time might seem to be a > freebie to > > > > > you but i know only a handful of astrologers are capable of it. > and no > > > > > money is sufficient to compensate it. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before flitting from one astrologer to another, and asking > about > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > confirmations, first dissapprove the hard work done by > somebody on > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > Birth, and then you are welcome to ask for further info. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We must be " Men " and not " butterflies " . You are being > utterly > > > > > > > > ungrateful when you ask someone to confirm what another > has > > > > > alfready > > > > > > > > confirmed for You. prove the previous confirmation as > wrong > > > > > > > > astrologically and then talk. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem these days , is that whatever is received for > free, > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > have much value.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be > around > > > > > 10.04 > > > > > > > > > am.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do You mean by " Bhaskarji has indicated " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not indicated. I have proved it to you that it is > right. > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > many Astrologers in india can do this for You even if > you pay > > > > > them a > > > > > > > > > Lakh of Rupees ? They cannot do it, because they are not > all > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > doing this . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ask any astrologer to dissaprove my given birth > timings . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again they were silent when you asked in the Group > about > > > > > your > > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > > time, so what right they have now to dissaprove? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please understand that You have been given the right > information > > > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > > from accurate precesion use of astrological principles, > and any > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > > about it, is not going to serve any purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " kulbir " > > > > > > > > > kulbirbains@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > > > > > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you > some rules > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > will help you. > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > > > > > > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary > positions at > > > > > the > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > of your birth. > > > > > > > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking > writing > > > > > walking > > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > 3. study of your house. > > > > > > > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have > you > > > > > > > > strengthened > > > > > > > > > by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet > personally. if > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you > with > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > little knowledge i have. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > aashish rai > > > > > > > > > raiaashish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > > > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot > for > > > > > your > > > > > > > > reply. > > > > > > > > > My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's > 14/11/1965 > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before > noon. > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 > am. the > > > > > > > > > following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > 5th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > 6th House- Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > 8th House- Moon > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > 10th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > 11th House †" Sun > > > > > > > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus > > > > > > > > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > 4th House †" Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > 6th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > 7th House- Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > 9th House- Moon > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > 11th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > 12th House †" Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He > was born > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started > learning > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in > life. > > > > > > > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > kulbir bains kulbirbains@ > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re:[ancient_ indian_astrology ] Lalkitab - > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > > > > > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only > lead to > > > > > vaham. > > > > > > > > > it will be very kind of you if you could please write > down the > > > > > > > > planatary > > > > > > > > > posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > > > > > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i > have > > > > > written a > > > > > > > > > note on it. hope it helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > > > > > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of > females than > > > > > males. > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious > or social > > > > > > > > > institution. > > > > > > > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the > nature of > > > > > moon. It > > > > > > > > > is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > > > > > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his > birth > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > he is cremated at his birth place. > > > > > > > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > > > > > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts > his > > > > > fortune. > > > > > > > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage > due to > > > > > > > > > hankering after religious matters and this results in > delay in > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 > to 45 > > > > > and his > > > > > > > > > life becomes smoother. > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the > native > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > large family and good wealth. > > > > > > > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously > > > > > disciplined, > > > > > > > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially > in age > > > > > 25-45. > > > > > > > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, > the > > > > > > > > > native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but > it is > > > > > not > > > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > > that he will also be at par with them. He is too much > devoted > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > religion. > > > > > > > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on > roaming for > > > > > > > > > religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be > going > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to > unlawful > > > > > > > > methods > > > > > > > > > to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he > > > > > accompanies a > > > > > > > > > false guru or such religious personality. He hankers > after > > > > > > > > > recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age > and > > > > > > > > > doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in > his bad > > > > > > > > > condition in old age. > > > > > > > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter > remains > > > > > > > > dormant, > > > > > > > > > the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding > himself > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > shall have to labour manually. > > > > > > > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The > native > > > > > > > > > doesn’t gets any post with authority, his > brotherhood > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > doesn’t helps or supports him. > > > > > > > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , > Saturn, > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. > Even his > > > > > adopted > > > > > > > > > son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from > lung > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > > such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both > ends meet > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > difficulty. > > > > > > > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, > and in > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age > of 45. > > > > > if he > > > > > > > > > adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 > and birth > > > > > of > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > > > > > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad > will be > > > > > with > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > or at his place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > > > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > > > > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the > native or > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in > 7th and > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Don:14/11/ 1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 > Am( as > > > > > fixed > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > > Homepage. > > > > > > > > > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Dear Bhaskar-ji & Ashish-ji, Regarding this topic, I had seen a reply quoting Shree Shankaracharya-ji which I found very relevant. The gist was Aim/Target & Kamanaa are different. To get any job done / achieve a goal, a target is necessary. Kamanaa is different - it is our desire about 'How the things SHOULD Happen'. I am studying hard so that I score good marks in exam ---- it is a target / aim I will get better marks than Mr. X and then everybody will appreciate me and neglect Mr. X ---- that's the desire or Kamanaa. Arjun should fight to his capability - that's a target. Arjun should somehow kill his opponents and Kurukshetra war should proceed as per wishes of Arjuna - that's a desire. The difference his......with target, people utilize their potential, less affected if his targets are not achieved. With desire or Kamanaa, people look to the result only and get distracted/unhappy if the events are not as per his wishes. People also dwell on past. With past experiences, a target oriented person will take lesson - what mistakes they had committed. With Kamanaa, the past will give pains and they would wish that somethings might have occurred differently. regards Chakraborty On Behalf Of BhaskarMonday, January 11, 2010 11:42 AM Subject: Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter Dear Aashish ji,Namaskaar.We were talking about "forgetting results and leaving results to God", which is not the right interpretation of the shloka. Nishkaam Karma sounds very nice in saying, but does not work actually. We even breathe to live. One has sex to enjoy. One drinks water to quench his thirst. remove the Kama from the karma, and the Karma ceases to be.The actual interpretation is that " the results are bound to come, so do not worry about the results, but continue doing your duties to the best of your abilities".The interpretation cannot be "Do your Karma and forget the results or leave them to the Lord".because the lord has nothing to do with the results of our karmas. This duty the lord has given to the Mother Nature, and God is not directly involved in remitting us the Phala,Paap or Punya, of our karmas.Now You were talking about astrology fitting here. But where ? where do you want astrology to fit in above ?regrds,Bhaskar. , aashish rai <raiaashish wrote:>> Namaskar Bhaskarji,> What you are saying is the same thing I am saying but may be it's my choice of words that is not conveying the meaning. It's "nishkam karm" as told in hindi. Everything is the way one defines "Success". After all who is going to decide what is "nishkam karma".> > 1. For a Student if the whole intention is to pass the exam with top marks than we will spend money for coaching/tuition to learn the tricks/methods rather than studying the subjects well. After all there are many students who make it to IIT after many attempts but struggle after getting admission.> > 2. Surgeon should do the operation to make it successful. But that depends on the the intention. A doctor who is money minded will do the operation only if gets his fees. His logic is I am charging my fee. For rich patient the cost doesn't matter as long as the doctor is good but for poor On the other hand a doctor with good herat may waive off his fees and do the operation as he thinks he can save a life.> > 3. A person should do his job for salary. But how much salary is just who decides. You work for whole year with good intention to get a raise. But your colleague butters his boss at gets the raise without much effort. Now who is successful?> > Mahatma Gandhi lived on his beliefs good/bad and was one of the person instrumental in India's Freedom. But his entire family suffered hell. On the other hand Nehru was also involved but not only enjoyed his life but also generations after him are enjoying.> > Bhaskarji please pardon me but think for a minute if great rishis (eg. Parashara Muni) would have thought about his success than what would have happened to astrology.> > This whole debate can go on for ever. In the end it's the term Success which is determined by the con since of the doer. It's all relative.> > My original question was where Astrology fits in this.> > Regards,> Aashish> > > > > ________________________________> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish> > Sun, 10 January, 2010 11:48:26 AM> Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter> > > > Dear Aashish ji,> > //We should do the work without expectation of any fruit. //> > You mean a Surgeon should do an operation without expecting the> operation to get successfull ?> > You mean that a student should give his Exams and not expect to pass ?> > You mean that a man should work for an whole month but should not expect> his salary in the first week of the subsequent month ?> > Does this happen in real Life ? Is this possible ? Does anybody act in> this way without expecting results ?> > No , this thinking is illogical, this meaning is absurd and futile..> > Actually a person should work and leave the results of whatever has to> come - to his Destiny.> > Actually a person should work and do not bother about the> fructifications, because they are bound to happen, and will come to him> sooner or later. The person is advised to do his duties and not expect> the positive or negative effects whatever is going to come, in his mind> and heart, because the results is mandatory to come along , once an> action has been done. So God does not ask one not to expect results, but> He says That one should continue doing his duties without worrying for> when the results would fructify or what results they would fructify> into.> > please comment....> > Those who have uptil now not commented, please do not comment now, and> let us continue to discuss for some time before you enter the thread and> comment on our "comments".> > Bhaskae.> > - In ancient_indian_ astrology, "raiaashish"> <raiaashish@ ...> wrote:> >> > Namaskar Bhaskarji,> > Let me try to explain my understanding:> > //First you please explain me the meaning-translation of "If we have> to just follow "karmaney vadhika raste.."//> >> > This teaching of Shri Krishna from Geeta advices us to do our work and> leave the fruits to God. We should do the work without expectation of> any fruit.> >> > Intent of my question was what role Astrology/Astrologe r has to play> here.> >> > Regards,> > Aashish> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > > dear aashish ji,> > >> > > Good discussion is going to ensue now from your Query. I like this.> > >> > > First you please explain me the meaning-translation of "If we have> to just follow "karmaney vadhika raste.."> > >> > > Then I will write further about what must be the stance actually to> be understood by this shloka, which people have actually misunderstood.> > >> > > regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "raiaashish"> <raiaashish@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji,> > > > You are so brilliant and have such vast experience in astrology> and life. Please enlighten me on this confusion. If we have to just> follow "karmaney vadhika raste.." principle then why to go to an> Astrologer or learn astrology for that matter. After all everything is> going to happen as predestined. then why bother to know anything if it> can't be changed.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Aashish> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Okay Dear Aashish,> > > > >> > > > > I accept your innocent explanations, and myself feel sorry for> having> > > > > misunderstood you.> > > > >> > > > > But tell me how is your post about "Lagna Confirmations" , going> to solve> > > > > your Problem ?> > > > >> > > > > About your son, or my son, or his son, or their sons, we are NOT> God, to> > > > > carve their destinies. This has already been carved before their> births.> > > > > Our job is only to do our duties. Leave the "worry" part to the> Lord.> > > > >> > > > > I have not earned a penny for myself for about 20 Years, but I> have> > > > > earnt lakhs of ruppees for my employer. Is that not enough ? And> my> > > > > employer was my own father. You need more informations from me> ??? then> > > > > come to my place in Bombay. I will enlighten you further.> > > > >> > > > > We are such ordinary people that we cant even carve our own> destinies,> > > > > so forget about us looking or being responsible for the destiny> of our> > > > > close ones.> > > > >> > > > > As a good man, a responsible man, as a res;ponsible father, a> > > > > responsible husband, a respnsible human being, just go on doing> your> > > > > duties, work hard, and after that if pennies comes, or dollars> comes, we> > > > > are n ot to worry, that is Gods job. I know this much for sure,> that HE> > > > > DOES NOT LEAVE US HUNGRY BEFORE SLEEP, IF WE WORK HARD ENOUGH.> > > > >> > > > > best wishes,> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "raiaashish"> > > > > <raiaashish@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji,> > > > > > Let me first say sorry to you even if my intention was not to> cross> > > > > verify the precious gift given by you. I can't even think in my> entire> > > > > life about hurting somebody as revered as you.> > > > > >> > > > > > Please cool down and try to read the first query carefully. It> was> > > > > about Jupiter in the 7th and it will be only when I take 10.04> am as> > > > > birth time.> > > > > >> > > > > > Please try to put yourself in my shoes. A person who hasn't> earned a> > > > > single penny in last 3 years worried about his Kid's future. I> am not> > > > > worried about the money here but about the future of the kid.> > > > > >> > > > > > A leaner like me can't even dream about putting one> Astrologer(Guru)> > > > > against another.> > > > > >> > > > > > Unless you mention about your forgiveness, I will assume you> have not> > > > > accpeted my apology> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Aashish> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "kulbir"> kulbirbains@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Ashish Ji;> > > > > > > you have indeed committed a blunder;> > > > > > > be a gentleman; apologize to Bhaskar Ji;> > > > > > > it hurts when someone's hard labour which is obtained> through years> > > > > of rigorous study is treated like this.> > > > > > > the rectification of your birth time might seem to be a> freebie to> > > > > you but i know only a handful of astrologers are capable of it.> and no> > > > > money is sufficient to compensate it.> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Before flitting from one astrologer to another, and asking> about> > > > > Lagna> > > > > > > > confirmations, first dissapprove the hard work done by> somebody on> > > > > Your> > > > > > > > Birth, and then you are welcome to ask for further info.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > We must be "Men" and not "butterflies" . You are being> utterly> > > > > > > > ungrateful when you ask someone to confirm what another> has> > > > > alfready> > > > > > > > confirmed for You. prove the previous confirmation as> wrong> > > > > > > > astrologically and then talk.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The problem these days , is that whatever is received for> free,> > > > > does not> > > > > > > > have much value..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be> around> > > > > 10.04> > > > > > > > > am.//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What do You mean by " Bhaskarji has indicated" ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I have not indicated. I have proved it to you that it is> right.> > > > > How> > > > > > > > > many Astrologers in india can do this for You even if> you pay> > > > > them a> > > > > > > > > Lakh of Rupees ? They cannot do it, because they are not> all> > > > > capable> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > doing this .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I ask any astrologer to dissaprove my given birth> timings .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But again they were silent when you asked in the Group> about> > > > > your> > > > > > > > Birth> > > > > > > > > time, so what right they have now to dissaprove?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Please understand that You have been given the right> information> > > > > > > > coming> > > > > > > > > from accurate precesion use of astrological principles,> and any> > > > > doubts> > > > > > > > > about it, is not going to serve any purpose.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "kulbir"> > > > > > > > > kulbirbains@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji;> > > > > > > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you> some rules> > > > > that> > > > > > > > > will help you.> > > > > > > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps> > > > > > > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary> positions at> > > > > the> > > > > > > > time> > > > > > > > > of your birth.> > > > > > > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking> writing> > > > > walking> > > > > > > > > etc.> > > > > > > > > > 3. study of your house.> > > > > > > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have> you> > > > > > > > strengthened> > > > > > > > > by your actions and what planets you have spoiled.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet> personally. if> > > > > then> > > > > > > > > also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you> with> > > > > whatever> > > > > > > > > little knowledge i have.> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> aashish rai> > > > > > > > > raiaashish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji,> > > > > > > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot> for> > > > > your> > > > > > > > reply.> > > > > > > > > My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's> 14/11/1965> > > > > and> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before> noon.> > > > > > > > Bhaskarji> > > > > > > > > has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04> am. the> > > > > > > > > following are the 2 possibilities for lagna.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 1st house â€" Mars and Venus> > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house â€" Vacant> > > > > > > > > > > 3rd House â€" Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > 4th house- Vacant> > > > > > > > > > > 5th House- Vacant> > > > > > > > > > > 6th House- Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > 8th House- Moon> > > > > > > > > > > 9th house- Vacant> > > > > > > > > > > 10th House- Vacant> > > > > > > > > > > 11th House â€" Sun> > > > > > > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu> > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house â€" Mars and Venus> > > > > > > > > > > 3nd house â€" Vacant> > > > > > > > > > > 4th House â€" Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > 5th house- Vacant> > > > > > > > > > > 6th House- Vacant> > > > > > > > > > > 7th House- Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > 9th House- Moon> > > > > > > > > > > 10th house- Vacant> > > > > > > > > > > 11th House- Vacant> > > > > > > > > > > 12th House â€" Sun> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He> was born> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started> learning> > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > > about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in> life.> > > > > > > > > > > Aashish> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > kulbir bains kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Re:[ancient_ indian_astrology ] Lalkitab -> Jupiter> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji;> > > > > > > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only> lead to> > > > > vaham.> > > > > > > > > it will be very kind of you if you could please write> down the> > > > > > > > planatary> > > > > > > > > posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant;> > > > > > > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i> have> > > > > written a> > > > > > > > > note on it. hope it helps.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7> > > > > > > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of> females than> > > > > males.> > > > > > > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious> or social> > > > > > > > > institution.> > > > > > > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the> nature of> > > > > moon. It> > > > > > > > > is god for him that he retains a practical outlook.> > > > > > > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his> birth> > > > > otherwise> > > > > > > > > he is cremated at his birth place.> > > > > > > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him.> > > > > > > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts> his> > > > > fortune.> > > > > > > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage> due to> > > > > > > > > hankering after religious matters and this results in> delay in> > > > > birth> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34> to 45> > > > > and his> > > > > > > > > life becomes smoother.> > > > > > > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the> native> > > > > with> > > > > > > > > large family and good wealth.> > > > > > > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously> > > > > disciplined,> > > > > > > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially> in age> > > > > 25-45.> > > > > > > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards> astrology> > > > > > > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars,> the> > > > > > > > > native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but> it is> > > > > not> > > > > > > > sure> > > > > > > > > that he will also be at par with them. He is too much> devoted> > > > > towards> > > > > > > > > religion.> > > > > > > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on> roaming for> > > > > > > > > religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be> going> > > > > through a> > > > > > > > bad> > > > > > > > > phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to> unlawful> > > > > > > > methods> > > > > > > > > to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he> > > > > accompanies a> > > > > > > > > false guru or such religious personality. He hankers> after> > > > > > > > > recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age> and> > > > > > > > > doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in> his bad> > > > > > > > > condition in old age.> > > > > > > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter> remains> > > > > > > > dormant,> > > > > > > > > the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding> himself> > > > > he> > > > > > > > > shall have to labour manually.> > > > > > > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The> native> > > > > > > > > doesn’t gets any post with authority, his> brotherhood> > > > > also> > > > > > > > > doesn’t helps or supports him.> > > > > > > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu ,> Saturn,> > > > > venus> > > > > > > > > his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak.> Even his> > > > > adopted> > > > > > > > > son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from> lung> > > > > diseases> > > > > > > > > such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both> ends meet> > > > > with> > > > > > > > > difficulty.> > > > > > > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn,> and in> > > > > malefic> > > > > > > > > capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age> of 45.> > > > > if he> > > > > > > > > adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45> and birth> > > > > of> > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > son, he himself turns into a failure.> > > > > > > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad> will be> > > > > with> > > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > > or at his place.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ----------> > > > > > > > > > > >"raiaashish" < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in >> > > > > > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29> > > > > > > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab -> Jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar,> > > > > > > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the> native or> > > > > there> > > > > > > > > are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in> 7th and> > > > > don't> > > > > > > > > have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are:> > > > > > > > > > > >>Don:14/11/ 1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04> Am( as> > > > > fixed> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > bhaskarji in this forum).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >>Aashish> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your> > > > > > > > > Homepage.> > > > > > > > > http://in.. com/> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./>This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. 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Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Dear Chakroborty ji, This reminds me of another 2 instances.. 1) When Mareecha was asked by Ravana to either go as a Golden Deer and entice Sita to send Rama to follow him, or face death, Mareecha decided that he has to die either way, so why not die at the hands of Lord Rama, whom he recognised as a Avataar. So here though he got death at hands of Rama, his action of inviting death and the motive thereof (Enticing Sita) was not pure. 2) Jatayu was no match for Ravana and he knew that he has to ultimately face death if he fights Ravana when Ravana was flying in the sky in his chariot with Sita as a captive. But yet did Jatayu fight with all his valour even after one of his wings had been chopped bhy Ravana he continued his fight. Here Jatayu accepted death at the hands of Ravana, but his action of inviting death and the motive thereof (Fighting in defence of Ramas wife Sita) was pure. Now considering your post, I consider the views as right and agree to the same. First of all one should play to the best of his valour and forget about whether he will win or loose. I mean every person should work to the best of his levels and then whatever money he earns out of it, is okay. He should at least have the satisfaction of having worked to his optimum levels. Contentment to what has been gained out of ones efforts must come to a person only after has given his full, and not before. One has no right to feel contented of he has not worked well. Neither has he any right to ask or yearn for more after having worked for full and must remain contented and cheerful with the results obtained. Results will of course come either immediately or in due course, they have to come, and they will and they must. Santushti hi jeevan mein sukh ka mool stotra hai, par santusthi apne kartavya nibhaane ke paschat....phal milega jaroor, par achha ya boora, poorna roop se ya kam, yeh milna niyati ke haath mein hai aur apne purva karmon ke sanjog se juda hua hai.. regards/Bhaskar. , " Chakraborty, PL " <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar-ji & Ashish-ji, > > Regarding this topic, I had seen a reply quoting Shree Shankaracharya-ji which > I found very relevant. The gist was > > Aim/Target & Kamanaa are different. To get any job done / achieve a goal, a target is necessary. > Kamanaa is different - it is our desire about 'How the things SHOULD Happen'. > > I am studying hard so that I score good marks in exam ---- it is a target / aim > > I will get better marks than Mr. X and then everybody will appreciate me and neglect > Mr. X ---- that's the desire or Kamanaa. > > Arjun should fight to his capability - that's a target. > Arjun should somehow kill his opponents and Kurukshetra war should proceed as per > wishes of Arjuna - that's a desire. > > The difference his......with target, people utilize their potential, less affected if his targets are not achieved. > With desire or Kamanaa, people look to the result only and get distracted/unhappy if the events are not as per > his wishes. People also dwell on past. > > With past experiences, a target oriented person will take lesson - what mistakes they had committed. > With Kamanaa, the past will give pains and they would wish that somethings might have occurred differently. > > > regards > > Chakraborty > > > ________________________________ > On Behalf Of Bhaskar > Monday, January 11, 2010 11:42 AM > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > Dear Aashish ji, > > Namaskaar. > > We were talking about " forgetting results and leaving results to God " , which is not the right interpretation of the shloka. > > Nishkaam Karma sounds very nice in saying, but does not work actually. We even breathe to live. One has sex to enjoy. One drinks water to quench his thirst. remove the Kama from the karma, and the Karma ceases to be. > > The actual interpretation is that " the results are bound to come, so do not worry about the results, but continue doing your duties to the best of your abilities " . > The interpretation cannot be " Do your Karma and forget the results or leave them to the Lord " . > > because the lord has nothing to do with the results of our karmas. This duty the lord has given to the Mother Nature, and God is not directly involved in remitting us the Phala,Paap or Punya, of our karmas. > > Now You were talking about astrology fitting here. But where ? where do you want astrology to fit in above ? > > regrds, > Bhaskar. > > --- In <%40\ groups.com>, aashish rai <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > What you are saying is the same thing I am saying but may be it's my choice of words that is not conveying the meaning. It's " nishkam karm " as told in hindi. Everything is the way one defines " Success " . After all who is going to decide what is " nishkam karma " . > > > > 1. For a Student if the whole intention is to pass the exam with top marks than we will spend money for coaching/tuition to learn the tricks/methods rather than studying the subjects well. After all there are many students who make it to IIT after many attempts but struggle after getting admission. > > > > 2. Surgeon should do the operation to make it successful. But that depends on the the intention. A doctor who is money minded will do the operation only if gets his fees. His logic is I am charging my fee. For rich patient the cost doesn't matter as long as the doctor is good but for poor On the other hand a doctor with good herat may waive off his fees and do the operation as he thinks he can save a life. > > > > 3. A person should do his job for salary. But how much salary is just who decides. You work for whole year with good intention to get a raise. But your colleague butters his boss at gets the raise without much effort. Now who is successful? > > > > Mahatma Gandhi lived on his beliefs good/bad and was one of the person instrumental in India's Freedom. But his entire family suffered hell. On the other hand Nehru was also involved but not only enjoyed his life but also generations after him are enjoying. > > > > Bhaskarji please pardon me but think for a minute if great rishis (eg. Parashara Muni) would have thought about his success than what would have happened to astrology. > > > > This whole debate can go on for ever. In the end it's the term Success which is determined by the con since of the doer. It's all relative. > > > > My original question was where Astrology fits in this. > > > > Regards, > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > To: <%40\ groups.com> > > Sun, 10 January, 2010 11:48:26 AM > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter > > > > > > > > Dear Aashish ji, > > > > //We should do the work without expectation of any fruit. // > > > > You mean a Surgeon should do an operation without expecting the > > operation to get successfull ? > > > > You mean that a student should give his Exams and not expect to pass ? > > > > You mean that a man should work for an whole month but should not expect > > his salary in the first week of the subsequent month ? > > > > Does this happen in real Life ? Is this possible ? Does anybody act in > > this way without expecting results ? > > > > No , this thinking is illogical, this meaning is absurd and futile.. > > > > Actually a person should work and leave the results of whatever has to > > come - to his Destiny. > > > > Actually a person should work and do not bother about the > > fructifications, because they are bound to happen, and will come to him > > sooner or later. The person is advised to do his duties and not expect > > the positive or negative effects whatever is going to come, in his mind > > and heart, because the results is mandatory to come along , once an > > action has been done. So God does not ask one not to expect results, but > > He says That one should continue doing his duties without worrying for > > when the results would fructify or what results they would fructify > > into. > > > > please comment.... > > > > Those who have uptil now not commented, please do not comment now, and > > let us continue to discuss for some time before you enter the thread and > > comment on our " comments " . > > > > Bhaskae. > > > > - In ancient_indian_ astrology, " raiaashish " > > <raiaashish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > > Let me try to explain my understanding: > > > //First you please explain me the meaning-translation of " If we have > > to just follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " // > > > > > > This teaching of Shri Krishna from Geeta advices us to do our work and > > leave the fruits to God. We should do the work without expectation of > > any fruit. > > > > > > Intent of my question was what role Astrology/Astrologe r has to play > > here. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > dear aashish ji, > > > > > > > > Good discussion is going to ensue now from your Query. I like this. > > > > > > > > First you please explain me the meaning-translation of " If we have > > to just follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " > > > > > > > > Then I will write further about what must be the stance actually to > > be understood by this shloka, which people have actually misunderstood. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " raiaashish " > > <raiaashish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > > > > You are so brilliant and have such vast experience in astrology > > and life. Please enlighten me on this confusion. If we have to just > > follow " karmaney vadhika raste.. " principle then why to go to an > > Astrologer or learn astrology for that matter. After all everything is > > going to happen as predestined. then why bother to know anything if it > > can't be changed. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay Dear Aashish, > > > > > > > > > > > > I accept your innocent explanations, and myself feel sorry for > > having > > > > > > misunderstood you. > > > > > > > > > > > > But tell me how is your post about " Lagna Confirmations " , going > > to solve > > > > > > your Problem ? > > > > > > > > > > > > About your son, or my son, or his son, or their sons, we are NOT > > God, to > > > > > > carve their destinies. This has already been carved before their > > births. > > > > > > Our job is only to do our duties. Leave the " worry " part to the > > Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not earned a penny for myself for about 20 Years, but I > > have > > > > > > earnt lakhs of ruppees for my employer. Is that not enough ? And > > my > > > > > > employer was my own father. You need more informations from me > > ??? then > > > > > > come to my place in Bombay. I will enlighten you further. > > > > > > > > > > > > We are such ordinary people that we cant even carve our own > > destinies, > > > > > > so forget about us looking or being responsible for the destiny > > of our > > > > > > close ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > As a good man, a responsible man, as a res;ponsible father, a > > > > > > responsible husband, a respnsible human being, just go on doing > > your > > > > > > duties, work hard, and after that if pennies comes, or dollars > > comes, we > > > > > > are n ot to worry, that is Gods job. I know this much for sure, > > that HE > > > > > > DOES NOT LEAVE US HUNGRY BEFORE SLEEP, IF WE WORK HARD ENOUGH. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " raiaashish " > > > > > > <raiaashish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > Let me first say sorry to you even if my intention was not to > > cross > > > > > > verify the precious gift given by you. I can't even think in my > > entire > > > > > > life about hurting somebody as revered as you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please cool down and try to read the first query carefully. It > > was > > > > > > about Jupiter in the 7th and it will be only when I take 10.04 > > am as > > > > > > birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please try to put yourself in my shoes. A person who hasn't > > earned a > > > > > > single penny in last 3 years worried about his Kid's future. I > > am not > > > > > > worried about the money here but about the future of the kid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A leaner like me can't even dream about putting one > > Astrologer(Guru) > > > > > > against another. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you mention about your forgiveness, I will assume you > > have not > > > > > > accpeted my apology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " kulbir " > > kulbirbains@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish Ji; > > > > > > > > you have indeed committed a blunder; > > > > > > > > be a gentleman; apologize to Bhaskar Ji; > > > > > > > > it hurts when someone's hard labour which is obtained > > through years > > > > > > of rigorous study is treated like this. > > > > > > > > the rectification of your birth time might seem to be a > > freebie to > > > > > > you but i know only a handful of astrologers are capable of it. > > and no > > > > > > money is sufficient to compensate it. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before flitting from one astrologer to another, and asking > > about > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > confirmations, first dissapprove the hard work done by > > somebody on > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > Birth, and then you are welcome to ask for further info. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We must be " Men " and not " butterflies " . You are being > > utterly > > > > > > > > > ungrateful when you ask someone to confirm what another > > has > > > > > > alfready > > > > > > > > > confirmed for You. prove the previous confirmation as > > wrong > > > > > > > > > astrologically and then talk. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem these days , is that whatever is received for > > free, > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > have much value.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Bhaskarji has indicated in this forum that it can be > > around > > > > > > 10.04 > > > > > > > > > > am.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do You mean by " Bhaskarji has indicated " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not indicated. I have proved it to you that it is > > right. > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > many Astrologers in india can do this for You even if > > you pay > > > > > > them a > > > > > > > > > > Lakh of Rupees ? They cannot do it, because they are not > > all > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > doing this . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ask any astrologer to dissaprove my given birth > > timings . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But again they were silent when you asked in the Group > > about > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > > > time, so what right they have now to dissaprove? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please understand that You have been given the right > > information > > > > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > > > > from accurate precesion use of astrological principles, > > and any > > > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > > > about it, is not going to serve any purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " kulbir " > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbains@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji; > > > > > > > > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you > > some rules > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > will help you. > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps > > > > > > > > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary > > positions at > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > of your birth. > > > > > > > > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking > > writing > > > > > > walking > > > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > 3. study of your house. > > > > > > > > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have > > you > > > > > > > > > strengthened > > > > > > > > > > by your actions and what planets you have spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet > > personally. if > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you > > with > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > little knowledge i have. > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > aashish rai > > > > > > > > > > raiaashish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot > > for > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > reply. > > > > > > > > > > My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's > > 14/11/1965 > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before > > noon. > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > has indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 > > am. the > > > > > > > > > > following are the 2 possibilities for lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st house ââ'¬ " Mars and Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house ââ'¬ " Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd House ââ'¬ " Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th House- Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th House- Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th House ââ'¬ " Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd house ââ'¬ " Mars and Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > 3nd house ââ'¬ " Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th House ââ'¬ " Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th House- Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th House- Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th House- Vacant > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th House ââ'¬ " Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He > > was born > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started > > learning > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > about 6 months to see why I have so many failures in > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbir bains kulbirbains@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re:[ancient_ indian_astrology ] Lalkitab - > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji; > > > > > > > > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only > > lead to > > > > > > vaham. > > > > > > > > > > it will be very kind of you if you could please write > > down the > > > > > > > > > planatary > > > > > > > > > > posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant; > > > > > > > > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i > > have > > > > > > written a > > > > > > > > > > note on it. hope it helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of > > females than > > > > > > males. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious > > or social > > > > > > > > > > institution. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the > > nature of > > > > > > moon. It > > > > > > > > > > is god for him that he retains a practical outlook. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his > > birth > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > he is cremated at his birth place. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts > > his > > > > > > fortune. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage > > due to > > > > > > > > > > hankering after religious matters and this results in > > delay in > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > son. However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 > > to 45 > > > > > > and his > > > > > > > > > > life becomes smoother. > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the > > native > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > large family and good wealth. > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously > > > > > > disciplined, > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially > > in age > > > > > > 25-45. > > > > > > > > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, > > the > > > > > > > > > > nativeââ'¬â " ¢s ancestors are also rich and renowned but > > it is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > > > that he will also be at par with them. He is too much > > devoted > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > > religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on > > roaming for > > > > > > > > > > religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be > > going > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > phase. Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to > > unlawful > > > > > > > > > methods > > > > > > > > > > to collect wealth. His condition will become worst if he > > > > > > accompanies a > > > > > > > > > > false guru or such religious personality. He hankers > > after > > > > > > > > > > recognizationin religious fields in young and middle age > > and > > > > > > > > > > doesnââ'¬â " ¢t cares about his progeny, which results in > > his bad > > > > > > > > > > condition in old age. > > > > > > > > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter > > remains > > > > > > > > > dormant, > > > > > > > > > > the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding > > himself > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > shall have to labour manually. > > > > > > > > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The > > native > > > > > > > > > > doesnââ'¬â " ¢t gets any post with authority, his > > brotherhood > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > doesnââ'¬â " ¢t helps or supports him. > > > > > > > > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , > > Saturn, > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. > > Even his > > > > > > adopted > > > > > > > > > > son will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from > > lung > > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > > > such as asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both > > ends meet > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > difficulty. > > > > > > > > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, > > and in > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age > > of 45. > > > > > > if he > > > > > > > > > > adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 > > and birth > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > son, he himself turns into a failure. > > > > > > > > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad > > will be > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > or at his place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > > > > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29 > > > > > > > > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the > > native or > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in > > 7th and > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > have any earnings from last 3 years. My details are: > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Don:14/11/ 1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 > > Am( as > > > > > > fixed > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > bhaskarji in this forum). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Aashish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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