What supersedes - Mundane or Individual chart

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Dear Members,

 

I would like to start new topic on " What supersedes - Mundane or Individual

chart? " Let us say there is going to be an air crash and individual chart does

not show death for person. Will he survive? (By not catching flight or by any

other way) Or die as per Mundane?

 

regds

Dev

[Guest guest]

He will die as per Mundane. And not survive as per individual.

 

(But then there have been cases which show otherwise, so one cannot confirm this

with 100% guarantee).

 

this is a difficult question, and I doubt if anyone can answer this with surety.

At least I cannot...Let me be honest...

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

>

> I would like to start new topic on " What supersedes - Mundane or Individual

chart? " Let us say there is going to be an air crash and individual chart does

not show death for person. Will he survive? (By not catching flight or by any

other way) Or die as per Mundane?

>

> regds

> Dev

>

[Guest guest]

There's also something called collective karma! When calamities occur, entire civilisations are wiped out! Not all affected charts would necessarily show death. Akaal mrityu is also a known phenomenon for individual charts!

But of course, as Bhaskar jee says, our knowledge is very limited! RegardsNeelam2010/1/2 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

 

 

 

 

 

 

He will die as per Mundane. And not survive as per individual.

 

(But then there have been cases which show otherwise, so one cannot confirm this with 100% guarantee).

 

this is a difficult question, and I doubt if anyone can answer this with surety. At least I cannot...Let me be honest...

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

>

> I would like to start new topic on " What supersedes - Mundane or Individual chart? " Let us say there is going to be an air crash and individual chart does not show death for person. Will he survive? (By not catching flight or by any other way) Or die as per Mundane?

>

> regds

> Dev

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Devji

 

Individual will always take precedence over

Mundane as been proven many times re:Floods/Earthquakes

etc due to God’s grace ….

 

Best wishes ….

 

Jai Sita Ram

 

Ram

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of axeplex

02 January 2010 17:45

 

Subject:

What supersedes - Mundane or Individual chart

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I would like to start new topic on " What supersedes - Mundane or

Individual chart? " Let us say there is going to be an air crash and

individual chart does not show death for person. Will he survive? (By not

catching flight or by any other way) Or die as per Mundane?

 

regds

Dev

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Dev ji,the person will certainly survive if the chart suports longevity in the natal chart with lagna lord more powerful than 8th.I came across such individuals whose charts are not available with me.Love and regards,gopi. , "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Dear Members,> > I would like to start new topic on "What supersedes - Mundane or Individual chart?" Let us say there is going to be an air crash and individual chart does not show death for person. Will he survive? (By not catching flight or by any other way) Or die as per Mundane?> > regds> Dev>

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yes Neelam ji in that case"YES".Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> There's also something called collective karma! When calamities occur,> entire civilisations are wiped out! Not all affected charts would> necessarily show death.> Akaal mrityu is also a known phenomenon for individual charts!> > But of course, as Bhaskar jee says, our knowledge is very limited!> > Regards> Neelam> > > > 2010/1/2 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > >> >> > He will die as per Mundane. And not survive as per individual.> >> > (But then there have been cases which show otherwise, so one cannot confirm> > this with 100% guarantee).> >> > this is a difficult question, and I doubt if anyone can answer this with> > surety. At least I cannot...Let me be honest...> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> >> > <%40>,> > "axeplex" axeplex@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Members,> > >> > > I would like to start new topic on "What supersedes - Mundane or> > Individual chart?" Let us say there is going to be an air crash and> > individual chart does not show death for person. Will he survive? (By not> > catching flight or by any other way) Or die as per Mundane?> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> >> > > >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dev Ji,I agree with Neelam ji, there is a factor of collective karma. I also agree with bhaskar jis views. Just extending the concept of collective karmas, theres a factor of interlinked destiny, when a group of people decide to undertake a particular task at a given time, all the charts point towards that one event. Regards,Soniaaxeplex <axeplex Sent: Sat, 2 January, 2010 11:14:54 PM What supersedes - Mundane or Individual chart

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I would like to start new topic on "What supersedes - Mundane or Individual chart?" Let us say there is going to be an air crash and individual chart does not show death for person. Will he survive? (By not catching flight or by any other way) Or die as per Mundane?

 

regds

Dev

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Actually the collective karma of a group of people carried forward acts upon

such incidents of grave nature, and all have to perish with the oncoming

disaster. But as we know since having read " The Readers Digest " (Not read since

many many years now), or the Newspapers or watching TV, that there are at times

Lone survivors. Who are these ? They must be one among the Group, who after

having committed the henious crime (which attracts this collective punishment)

must have in the meanwhile among the past births,also have collected great

" Punya karm " too, in order to get saved now from being victim of the common

fate. Their fate must be pretty strong to allow them the escape.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> He will die as per Mundane. And not survive as per individual.

>

> (But then there have been cases which show otherwise, so one cannot confirm

this with 100% guarantee).

>

> this is a difficult question, and I doubt if anyone can answer this with

surety. At least I cannot...Let me be honest...

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

>

> , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > I would like to start new topic on " What supersedes - Mundane or Individual

chart? " Let us say there is going to be an air crash and individual chart does

not show death for person. Will he survive? (By not catching flight or by any

other way) Or die as per Mundane?

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

Collective deaths need not necessarily be due to past collective karma of the

affected group.

 

//Although Buddhists believe that man can eventually control his Kammic force,

they do not believe that everything is due to Kamma.

 

They do not ignore the role played by other forces of nature.

 

According to Buddhism, there are five orders or processes (niyamas) which

operate in the physical and mental realms:

 

i. Kamma niyama, order of act and result, e.g., desirable and undesirable

acts produce corresponding good and bad results.

 

ii. Utu niyama, physical (inorganic) order, e.g., seasonal phenomena of

winds and rains.

 

iii. Bija niyama, order of germs or seeds (physical organic order); e.g.,

rice produced from rice-seed, sugary taste from sugar cane or honey, etc. The

scientific theory of cells and genes and the physical similarity of twins may be

ascribed to this order.

 

iv. Citta niyama, order of mind or psychic law, e.g., processes of

consciousness (citta vithi), power of mind, etc.

 

v. Dhamma niyama, order of the norm, e.g., the natural phenomena occurring

at the advent of a Bodhisatta in his last birth, gravitation, etc.

 

Every mental or physical phenomenon could be explained by these all-embracing

five orders or processes which are laws in themselves. Kamma is, therefore, only

one of the five orders that prevail in the universe. //

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> There's also something called collective karma! When calamities occur,

> entire civilisations are wiped out! Not all affected charts would

> necessarily show death.

> Akaal mrityu is also a known phenomenon for individual charts!

>

> But of course, as Bhaskar jee says, our knowledge is very limited!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

> 2010/1/2 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

>

> >

> >

> > He will die as per Mundane. And not survive as per individual.

> >

> > (But then there have been cases which show otherwise, so one cannot confirm

> > this with 100% guarantee).

> >

> > this is a difficult question, and I doubt if anyone can answer this with

> > surety. At least I cannot...Let me be honest...

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > I would like to start new topic on " What supersedes - Mundane or

> > Individual chart? " Let us say there is going to be an air crash and

> > individual chart does not show death for person. Will he survive? (By not

> > catching flight or by any other way) Or die as per Mundane?

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dev JI,

 

with due regards i put my thought as below please do not take seriously

ignore if worth.

 

As a being an astrologer one has answer for all questions with him for

others but when justification need to be taken personally then it

become difficult to convince ourself for some questions.I do not

believe that astrology is science but i know that it is science

co-relates events by means of study of planets and Nakshatra.

 

Some more questions can be added here like........

Number of people and animals lost life in Big wars....say

mahabharat..or world war...or explosion of.Atom Bomb......any future

war..chemical or else

 

It is very difficult to believe that any single one from the died can

not have such surviving combination or transists??

 

My personal opinion is that Everything and Everyone is connected in a

way and rules of cycle works its own.

 

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

axeplex wrote:

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I would like to start new topic on "What supersedes - Mundane or

Individual chart?" Let us say there is going to be an air crash and

individual chart does not show death for person. Will he survive? (By

not catching flight or by any other way) Or die as per Mundane?

 

regds

Dev

[Guest guest]

Ms. Renu ji;

That's great food for thought;

Regards

Kulbir Bains

 

, " renunw " <renunw wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> Collective deaths need not necessarily be due to past collective karma of the

affected group.

>

> //Although Buddhists believe that man can eventually control his Kammic force,

they do not believe that everything is due to Kamma.

>

> They do not ignore the role played by other forces of nature.

>

> According to Buddhism, there are five orders or processes (niyamas) which

operate in the physical and mental realms:

>

> i. Kamma niyama, order of act and result, e.g., desirable and undesirable

acts produce corresponding good and bad results.

>

> ii. Utu niyama, physical (inorganic) order, e.g., seasonal phenomena of

winds and rains.

>

> iii. Bija niyama, order of germs or seeds (physical organic order); e.g.,

rice produced from rice-seed, sugary taste from sugar cane or honey, etc. The

scientific theory of cells and genes and the physical similarity of twins may be

ascribed to this order.

>

> iv. Citta niyama, order of mind or psychic law, e.g., processes of

consciousness (citta vithi), power of mind, etc.

>

> v. Dhamma niyama, order of the norm, e.g., the natural phenomena occurring

at the advent of a Bodhisatta in his last birth, gravitation, etc.

>

> Every mental or physical phenomenon could be explained by these all-embracing

five orders or processes which are laws in themselves. Kamma is, therefore, only

one of the five orders that prevail in the universe. //

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

wrote:

> >

> > There's also something called collective karma! When calamities occur,

> > entire civilisations are wiped out! Not all affected charts would

> > necessarily show death.

> > Akaal mrityu is also a known phenomenon for individual charts!

> >

> > But of course, as Bhaskar jee says, our knowledge is very limited!

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> >

> > 2010/1/2 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > He will die as per Mundane. And not survive as per individual.

> > >

> > > (But then there have been cases which show otherwise, so one cannot

confirm

> > > this with 100% guarantee).

> > >

> > > this is a difficult question, and I doubt if anyone can answer this with

> > > surety. At least I cannot...Let me be honest...

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > >

> > > > I would like to start new topic on " What supersedes - Mundane or

> > > Individual chart? " Let us say there is going to be an air crash and

> > > individual chart does not show death for person. Will he survive? (By not

> > > catching flight or by any other way) Or die as per Mundane?

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ms. Renu ji; please go through " " Ian Stewart, Does God Play Dice? The

Mathematics of Chaos " " .

Regards

Kulbir Bains

 

, " kulbir " <kulbirbains

wrote:

>

> Ms. Renu ji;

> That's great food for thought;

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains

>

> , " renunw " <renunw@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends,

> >

> > Collective deaths need not necessarily be due to past collective karma of

the affected group.

> >

> > //Although Buddhists believe that man can eventually control his Kammic

force, they do not believe that everything is due to Kamma.

> >

> > They do not ignore the role played by other forces of nature.

> >

> > According to Buddhism, there are five orders or processes (niyamas) which

operate in the physical and mental realms:

> >

> > i. Kamma niyama, order of act and result, e.g., desirable and

undesirable acts produce corresponding good and bad results.

> >

> > ii. Utu niyama, physical (inorganic) order, e.g., seasonal phenomena of

winds and rains.

> >

> > iii. Bija niyama, order of germs or seeds (physical organic order);

e.g., rice produced from rice-seed, sugary taste from sugar cane or honey, etc.

The scientific theory of cells and genes and the physical similarity of twins

may be ascribed to this order.

> >

> > iv. Citta niyama, order of mind or psychic law, e.g., processes of

consciousness (citta vithi), power of mind, etc.

> >

> > v. Dhamma niyama, order of the norm, e.g., the natural phenomena

occurring at the advent of a Bodhisatta in his last birth, gravitation, etc.

> >

> > Every mental or physical phenomenon could be explained by these

all-embracing five orders or processes which are laws in themselves. Kamma is,

therefore, only one of the five orders that prevail in the universe. //

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > , neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > There's also something called collective karma! When calamities occur,

> > > entire civilisations are wiped out! Not all affected charts would

> > > necessarily show death.

> > > Akaal mrityu is also a known phenomenon for individual charts!

> > >

> > > But of course, as Bhaskar jee says, our knowledge is very limited!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 2010/1/2 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > He will die as per Mundane. And not survive as per individual.

> > > >

> > > > (But then there have been cases which show otherwise, so one cannot

confirm

> > > > this with 100% guarantee).

> > > >

> > > > this is a difficult question, and I doubt if anyone can answer this with

> > > > surety. At least I cannot...Let me be honest...

> > > >

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > >

> > > > > I would like to start new topic on " What supersedes - Mundane or

> > > > Individual chart? " Let us say there is going to be an air crash and

> > > > individual chart does not show death for person. Will he survive? (By

not

> > > > catching flight or by any other way) Or die as per Mundane?

> > > > >

> > > > > regds

> > > > > Dev

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rightly said Deviji.

My personal opinion and also on basis of replies to this post, I can say that

Mundane supersedes in most of the cases and there are very few cases of

individual survivals. It also means that we should not take any age calculated

as granted.

 

To me, Astrology can be clasified as science but unlike Maths or Chemistry. It

could more symbolize as statistical science. It is about probabilities and

deviations.

 

regds

Dev

 

, devisigh <devisingh.rajput

wrote:

>

> Dear Dev JI,

>

> with due regards i put my thought as below please do not take seriously

> ignore if worth.

>

> As a being an astrologer one has answer for all questions with him for

> others but when justification need to be taken personally then it become

> difficult to convince ourself for some questions.I do not believe that

> astrology is science but i know that it is science co-relates events by

> means of study of planets and Nakshatra.

>

> Some more questions can be added here like........

> Number of people and animals lost life in Big wars....say mahabharat..or

> world war...or explosion of.Atom Bomb......any future war..chemical or else

>

> It is very difficult to believe that any single one from the died can

> not have such surviving combination or transists??

>

> My personal opinion is that Everything and Everyone is connected in a

> way and rules of cycle works its own.

>

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> axeplex wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > I would like to start new topic on " What supersedes - Mundane or

> > Individual chart? " Let us say there is going to be an air crash and

> > individual chart does not show death for person. Will he survive? (By

> > not catching flight or by any other way) Or die as per Mundane?

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

HI Dev Ji,

 

I am a new joinee in this group. Wish you all a very happy new year.

 

Your question was very good I could not help myself writing of my beliefs if it could be of any help. I believe that any thing in life is subjected to the energies around us that could be energies of our star placement, good karmas, blessings etc.

Any accident or incident is an outcome of these forces coming together. If a person is well shielded with the good karmas and strong forces the probability of survival is more. People who could be on the safest side too face accidents very unexpected. example in a train crash there were hardly any surviviors in one bogie but only one could survive of 50 passengers. similarly in a house a kid fell under a television and got critical, where as a child fell off 1st floor and was sound without a scratch on the body.

 

Though this is just a belief of how things work? charts come in picture when the incident takes place and one needs to analyse post event to justify to why and how it happenned whereas these forces are constantly around us in various forms to protect or shield.

 

It could be a second debate that then why these harm in certain occassions and protect in some?

 

Regards

Nidhi--- On Tue, 5/1/10, axeplex <axeplex wrote:

axeplex <axeplex Re: What supersedes - Mundane or Individual chart Date: Tuesday, 5 January, 2010, 12:30 PM

Rightly said Deviji.My personal opinion and also on basis of replies to this post, I can say that Mundane supersedes in most of the cases and there are very few cases of individual survivals. It also means that we should not take any age calculated as granted.To me, Astrology can be clasified as science but unlike Maths or Chemistry. It could more symbolize as statistical science. It is about probabilities and deviations.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh <devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Dev JI,> > with due regards i put my thought as below please do not take seriously > ignore if worth.> > As a being an astrologer one has answer for all

questions with him for > others but when justification need to be taken personally then it become > difficult to convince ourself for some questions.I do not believe that > astrology is science but i know that it is science co-relates events by > means of study of planets and Nakshatra.> > Some more questions can be added here like........> Number of people and animals lost life in Big wars....say mahabharat.. or > world war...or explosion of.Atom Bomb......any future war..chemical or else> > It is very difficult to believe that any single one from the died can > not have such surviving combination or transists??> > My personal opinion is that Everything and Everyone is connected in a > way and rules of cycle works its own.> > ------------ ------> Regards,> Devisingh> > axeplex wrote:> > >

>> > Dear Members,> >> > I would like to start new topic on "What supersedes - Mundane or > > Individual chart?" Let us say there is going to be an air crash and > > individual chart does not show death for person. Will he survive? (By > > not catching flight or by any other way) Or die as per Mundane?> >> > regds> > Dev> >> >>

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[Guest guest]

//I believe that any thing in life is subjected to the energies around us that

could be energies of our star placement, good karmas, blessings etc.

Any accident or incident is an outcome of these forces coming together. If a

person is well shielded with the good karmas and strong forces the probability

of survival is more. People who could be on the safest side too face accidents

very unexpected. example in a train crash there were hardly any surviviors in

one bogie but only one could survive of 50 passengers. similarly in a house a

kid fell under a television and got critical, where as a child fell off 1st

floor and was sound without a scratch on the body.

//

 

Nice...

 

Vijay Goel

Jaipur

 

, nidhi kaushik <bunny17_in

wrote:

>

> HI Dev Ji,

>  

> I am a new joinee in this group. Wish you all a very happy new year.

>  

> Your question was very good I could not help myself writing of my beliefs if

it could be of any help. I believe that any thing in life is subjected to the

energies around us that could be energies of our star placement, good karmas,

blessings etc.

> Any accident or incident is an outcome of these forces coming together. If a

person is well shielded with the good karmas and strong forces the probability

of survival is more. People who could be on the safest side too face accidents

very unexpected. example in a train crash there were hardly any surviviors in

one bogie but only one could survive of 50 passengers. similarly in a house a

kid fell under a television and got critical, where as a child fell off 1st

floor and was sound without a scratch on the body.

>  

> Though this is just a belief of how things work?  charts come in picture when

the incident takes place and one needs to analyse post event to justify to why

and how it happenned whereas these forces are constantly around us in various

forms to protect or shield.

>  

> It could be a second debate that then why these harm in certain occassions and

protect in some?

>  

> Regards

> Nidhi

>

> --- On Tue, 5/1/10, axeplex <axeplex wrote:

>

>

> axeplex <axeplex

> Re: What supersedes - Mundane or

Individual chart

>

> Tuesday, 5 January, 2010, 12:30 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Rightly said Deviji.

> My personal opinion and also on basis of replies to this post, I can say that

Mundane supersedes in most of the cases and there are very few cases of

individual survivals. It also means that we should not take any age calculated

as granted.

>

> To me, Astrology can be clasified as science but unlike Maths or Chemistry. It

could more symbolize as statistical science. It is about probabilities and

deviations.

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh

<devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dev JI,

> >

> > with due regards i put my thought as below please do not take seriously

> > ignore if worth.

> >

> > As a being an astrologer one has answer for all questions with him for

> > others but when justification need to be taken personally then it become

> > difficult to convince ourself for some questions.I do not believe that

> > astrology is science but i know that it is science co-relates events by

> > means of study of planets and Nakshatra.

> >

> > Some more questions can be added here like........

> > Number of people and animals lost life in Big wars....say mahabharat.. or

> > world war...or explosion of.Atom Bomb......any future war..chemical or else

> >

> > It is very difficult to believe that any single one from the died can

> > not have such surviving combination or transists??

> >

> > My personal opinion is that Everything and Everyone is connected in a

> > way and rules of cycle works its own.

> >

> > ------------ ------

> > Regards,

> > Devisingh

> >

> > axeplex wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > I would like to start new topic on " What supersedes - Mundane or

> > > Individual chart? " Let us say there is going to be an air crash and

> > > individual chart does not show death for person. Will he survive? (By

> > > not catching flight or by any other way) Or die as per Mundane?

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

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