Lalkitab - Palm chart and Horoscope chart.

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Dear Devi Singh Ji;

i have termed this concept as study of X FACTOR.

 

Lalkitab explains this on page 249; 1940 edition;

1. Horoscope has to be erected according to birth time.

2. Horoscope has to be cast according to palm;

horoscope erected on birth data has a lagna which is same for all persons born

in a time slot of approximately 2 hours; but destinies of even twins are not

identical.

So it is possible that both the horoscopes may be different.

 

The job of lalkitab astrologer is to find out this X factor.

the difference may be due to bloodline i.e. paap; punya of his ancestors.

something done by the native in previous life.

more importantly his actions in the present life.

 

both horoscopes are equally important but if the individual's life's

circumstances are not according to these 2 horoscopes; then the X factor has to

be found.

 

Pt ji. writes in the last line of the page. MAGAR ZAROORI BAAT TO YE HOGI KI

FARQ NIKAAL HI LIYA JAVE.

THE IMPORTANT THING WOULD BE THAT THIS DIFFERENCE IS SORTED OUT.

 

Infact this is the very essence , crux of ;lalkitab astrology.

Regards

Kulbir Bains

 

 

, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbirji,

>

> As far as I know chart is supposed to be drawn from palm in Lal Kitab.

> What is the truth? and how does it work?

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ashish ji;

> > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that will help

you.

> > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps

> > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the time of

your birth.

> > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking etc.

> > 3. study of your house.

> > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you strengthened by

your actions and what planets you have spoiled.

> >

> > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then also you

have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little knowledge i

have.

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains

> >

> >

> > , aashish rai <raiaashish@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply. My

birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the place is

Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has indicated in

this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2 possibilities

for lagna.

> > >

> > > 1. Lal kitab kundali

> > >

> > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus

> > > 2nd house †" Vacant

> > > 3rd House †" Saturn

> > > 4th house- Vacant

> > > 5th House- Vacant

> > > 6th House- Rahu

> > > 7th House- Jupiter

> > > 8th House- Moon

> > > 9th house- Vacant

> > > 10th House- Vacant

> > > 11th House †" Sun

> > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu

> > >

> > > 2. Lal kitab kundali

> > >

> > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu

> > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus

> > > 3nd house †" Vacant

> > > 4th House †" Saturn

> > > 5th house- Vacant

> > > 6th House- Vacant

> > > 7th House- Rahu

> > > 8th House- Jupiter

> > > 9th House- Moon

> > > 10th house- Vacant

> > > 11th House- Vacant

> > > 12th House †" Sun

> > >

> > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in 1996. As I

am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6 months to see

why I have so many failures in life.

> > > Aashish

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@>

> > >

> > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM

> > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Rajaashish Ji;

> > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. it will

be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion with

degrees; also degree of ascendant;

> > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a note on

it. hope it helps.

> > >

> > > Jupiter in house no.7

> > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males.

> > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social institution.

> > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It is god

for him that he retains a practical outlook.

> > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise he is

cremated at his birth place.

> > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him.

> > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune.

> > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to hankering

after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son. However a son

is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes smoother.

> > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with large

family and good wealth.

> > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined,

> > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45.

> > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology

> > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s

ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at

par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion.

> > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for religious

discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase. Financial

condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect wealth. His

condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such religious

personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in young and

middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad

condition in old age.

> > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant, the

native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have to

labour manually.

> > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn’t gets

any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or supports him.

> > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus his

progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will

suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He

is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty.

> > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic

capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a

child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself

turns into a failure.

> > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him or at

his place.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >---------- Original message ----------

> > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in >

> > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter

> > > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >Kulbirji Namaskar,

> > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there are

exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any

earnings from last 3 years. My details are:

> > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by

bhaskarji in this forum).

> > > >

> > > >>Regards,

> > > >>Aashish

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in./

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kulbirji,

 

I am not Devi Singh. He is different guy in group.

Your answer leads to more questions:

 

- Unless and until you relate events to two charts, you can not decide whether

to find so caled X factor or not. Strange, I expected Lal Kitab use of palm for

drawing chart as ultimate since then one need not worry of birth time

rectification if palm is being used.

 

- What is X factor? Another chart?

- What related to horoscope chart and what to Palm chart?

 

regds

Dev

 

 

, " kulbir " <kulbirbains

wrote:

>

> Dear Devi Singh Ji;

> i have termed this concept as study of X FACTOR.

>

> Lalkitab explains this on page 249; 1940 edition;

> 1. Horoscope has to be erected according to birth time.

> 2. Horoscope has to be cast according to palm;

> horoscope erected on birth data has a lagna which is same for all persons born

in a time slot of approximately 2 hours; but destinies of even twins are not

identical.

> So it is possible that both the horoscopes may be different.

>

> The job of lalkitab astrologer is to find out this X factor.

> the difference may be due to bloodline i.e. paap; punya of his ancestors.

> something done by the native in previous life.

> more importantly his actions in the present life.

>

> both horoscopes are equally important but if the individual's life's

circumstances are not according to these 2 horoscopes; then the X factor has to

be found.

>

> Pt ji. writes in the last line of the page. MAGAR ZAROORI BAAT TO YE HOGI KI

FARQ NIKAAL HI LIYA JAVE.

> THE IMPORTANT THING WOULD BE THAT THIS DIFFERENCE IS SORTED OUT.

>

> Infact this is the very essence , crux of ;lalkitab astrology.

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains

>

>

> , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbirji,

> >

> > As far as I know chart is supposed to be drawn from palm in Lal Kitab.

> > What is the truth? and how does it work?

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ashish ji;

> > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that will

help you.

> > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps

> > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the time of

your birth.

> > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking etc.

> > > 3. study of your house.

> > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you strengthened by

your actions and what planets you have spoiled.

> > >

> > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then also

you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little

knowledge i have.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > >

> > >

> > > , aashish rai <raiaashish@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply. My

birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the place is

Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has indicated in

this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2 possibilities

for lagna.

> > > >

> > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali

> > > >

> > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus

> > > > 2nd house †" Vacant

> > > > 3rd House †" Saturn

> > > > 4th house- Vacant

> > > > 5th House- Vacant

> > > > 6th House- Rahu

> > > > 7th House- Jupiter

> > > > 8th House- Moon

> > > > 9th house- Vacant

> > > > 10th House- Vacant

> > > > 11th House †" Sun

> > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu

> > > >

> > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali

> > > >

> > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu

> > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus

> > > > 3nd house †" Vacant

> > > > 4th House †" Saturn

> > > > 5th house- Vacant

> > > > 6th House- Vacant

> > > > 7th House- Rahu

> > > > 8th House- Jupiter

> > > > 9th House- Moon

> > > > 10th house- Vacant

> > > > 11th House- Vacant

> > > > 12th House †" Sun

> > > >

> > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in 1996. As

I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6 months to see

why I have so many failures in life.

> > > > Aashish

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@>

> > > >

> > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM

> > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji;

> > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. it

will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion

with degrees; also degree of ascendant;

> > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a note

on it. hope it helps.

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter in house no.7

> > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males.

> > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social

institution.

> > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It is

god for him that he retains a practical outlook.

> > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise he

is cremated at his birth place.

> > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him.

> > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune.

> > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to hankering

after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son. However a son

is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes smoother.

> > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with large

family and good wealth.

> > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined,

> > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45.

> > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology

> > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s

ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at

par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion.

> > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for religious

discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase. Financial

condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect wealth. His

condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such religious

personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in young and

middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his bad

condition in old age.

> > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant, the

native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have to

labour manually.

> > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn’t gets

any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or supports him.

> > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus his

progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will

suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He

is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty.

> > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic

capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a

child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself

turns into a failure.

> > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him or

at his place.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >---------- Original message ----------

> > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in >

> > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter

> > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar,

> > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there are

exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any

earnings from last 3 years. My details are:

> > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by

bhaskarji in this forum).

> > > > >

> > > > >>Regards,

> > > > >>Aashish

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage. http://in./

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Dev,

Remember Mr. Bhaskar termed lalkitab method as TEEDHI KHEER and RADHA HUA DOODH,

Casting a chart from a palm is very tricky;

same lines can be interpreted in many ways; plus when we say palm kundali; it

includes not mere lines/mounts of a palm; we refer to samudrik;

type of hand; height of person; complexion; hair; features; voice; body

language; writing; relatives; relations; his house; surroundings etc. etc.

 

Birth or Natal horoscope serves as a reference point.

it always helps to have a reference point;

in that sense Natal horoscope scores over Palm horoscope.

 

apart from terming this phenomenon as X factor; i have not at all deviated from

what the book says.

 

X factor is not another chart. in my words i would describe this as such. While

analyzing a case, one will come across many charts. Rigorous study/training /

re-re-revision of the subject trains/conditions one's mind.

the various charts have data mixed up like iron is mixed with sand wood etc.

mind becomes a magnet and picks up the iron; i.e. relevant portion from the

various charts.

This is lalkitab method's application.

please feel free to ask anything anytime. It helps me a lot

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

 

 

, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:

>

> Kulbirji,

>

> I am not Devi Singh. He is different guy in group.

> Your answer leads to more questions:

>

> - Unless and until you relate events to two charts, you can not decide whether

to find so caled X factor or not. Strange, I expected Lal Kitab use of palm for

drawing chart as ultimate since then one need not worry of birth time

rectification if palm is being used.

>

> - What is X factor? Another chart?

> - What related to horoscope chart and what to Palm chart?

>

> regds

> Dev

>

>

> , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Devi Singh Ji;

> > i have termed this concept as study of X FACTOR.

> >

> > Lalkitab explains this on page 249; 1940 edition;

> > 1. Horoscope has to be erected according to birth time.

> > 2. Horoscope has to be cast according to palm;

> > horoscope erected on birth data has a lagna which is same for all persons

born in a time slot of approximately 2 hours; but destinies of even twins are

not identical.

> > So it is possible that both the horoscopes may be different.

> >

> > The job of lalkitab astrologer is to find out this X factor.

> > the difference may be due to bloodline i.e. paap; punya of his ancestors.

> > something done by the native in previous life.

> > more importantly his actions in the present life.

> >

> > both horoscopes are equally important but if the individual's life's

circumstances are not according to these 2 horoscopes; then the X factor has to

be found.

> >

> > Pt ji. writes in the last line of the page. MAGAR ZAROORI BAAT TO YE HOGI KI

FARQ NIKAAL HI LIYA JAVE.

> > THE IMPORTANT THING WOULD BE THAT THIS DIFFERENCE IS SORTED OUT.

> >

> > Infact this is the very essence , crux of ;lalkitab astrology.

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains

> >

> >

> > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > >

> > > As far as I know chart is supposed to be drawn from palm in Lal Kitab.

> > > What is the truth? and how does it work?

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ashish ji;

> > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that will

help you.

> > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps

> > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the time

of your birth.

> > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking etc.

> > > > 3. study of your house.

> > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you strengthened by

your actions and what planets you have spoiled.

> > > >

> > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then also

you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little

knowledge i have.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , aashish rai

<raiaashish@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply.

My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the place

is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has indicated

in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2

possibilities for lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali

> > > > >

> > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus

> > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant

> > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn

> > > > > 4th house- Vacant

> > > > > 5th House- Vacant

> > > > > 6th House- Rahu

> > > > > 7th House- Jupiter

> > > > > 8th House- Moon

> > > > > 9th house- Vacant

> > > > > 10th House- Vacant

> > > > > 11th House †" Sun

> > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali

> > > > >

> > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu

> > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus

> > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant

> > > > > 4th House †" Saturn

> > > > > 5th house- Vacant

> > > > > 6th House- Vacant

> > > > > 7th House- Rahu

> > > > > 8th House- Jupiter

> > > > > 9th House- Moon

> > > > > 10th house- Vacant

> > > > > 11th House- Vacant

> > > > > 12th House †" Sun

> > > > >

> > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in 1996.

As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6 months to

see why I have so many failures in life.

> > > > > Aashish

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@>

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM

> > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji;

> > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham. it

will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion

with degrees; also degree of ascendant;

> > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a note

on it. hope it helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter in house no.7

> > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males.

> > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social

institution.

> > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It is

god for him that he retains a practical outlook.

> > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise he

is cremated at his birth place.

> > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him.

> > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune.

> > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to hankering

after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son. However a son

is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes smoother.

> > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with large

family and good wealth.

> > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined,

> > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45.

> > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology

> > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s

ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at

par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion.

> > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for

religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase.

Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect

wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such

religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in

young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his

bad condition in old age.

> > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant,

the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have

to labour manually.

> > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn’t

gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or supports

him.

> > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus his

progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will

suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He

is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty.

> > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic

capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a

child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself

turns into a failure.

> > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him

or at his place.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >---------- Original message ----------

> > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in >

> > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29

> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter

> > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar,

> > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there are

exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any

earnings from last 3 years. My details are:

> > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by

bhaskarji in this forum).

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>Regards,

> > > > > >>Aashish

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage. http://in./

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Tks Kulbirji,

 

While I was thinking of reading Lal Kitab whenever I get time, now my desire is

weakened a bit.

How do you find Lal Kitab? Is it effective? How do you compare it with Hindu

Vedic?

 

regds

Dev

 

, " kulbir " <kulbirbains

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Dev,

> Remember Mr. Bhaskar termed lalkitab method as TEEDHI KHEER and RADHA HUA

DOODH,

> Casting a chart from a palm is very tricky;

> same lines can be interpreted in many ways; plus when we say palm kundali; it

includes not mere lines/mounts of a palm; we refer to samudrik;

> type of hand; height of person; complexion; hair; features; voice; body

language; writing; relatives; relations; his house; surroundings etc. etc.

>

> Birth or Natal horoscope serves as a reference point.

> it always helps to have a reference point;

> in that sense Natal horoscope scores over Palm horoscope.

>

> apart from terming this phenomenon as X factor; i have not at all deviated

from what the book says.

>

> X factor is not another chart. in my words i would describe this as such.

While analyzing a case, one will come across many charts. Rigorous

study/training / re-re-revision of the subject trains/conditions one's mind.

> the various charts have data mixed up like iron is mixed with sand wood etc.

> mind becomes a magnet and picks up the iron; i.e. relevant portion from the

various charts.

> This is lalkitab method's application.

> please feel free to ask anything anytime. It helps me a lot

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

>

>

> , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> >

> > Kulbirji,

> >

> > I am not Devi Singh. He is different guy in group.

> > Your answer leads to more questions:

> >

> > - Unless and until you relate events to two charts, you can not decide

whether to find so caled X factor or not. Strange, I expected Lal Kitab use of

palm for drawing chart as ultimate since then one need not worry of birth time

rectification if palm is being used.

> >

> > - What is X factor? Another chart?

> > - What related to horoscope chart and what to Palm chart?

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> >

> > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Devi Singh Ji;

> > > i have termed this concept as study of X FACTOR.

> > >

> > > Lalkitab explains this on page 249; 1940 edition;

> > > 1. Horoscope has to be erected according to birth time.

> > > 2. Horoscope has to be cast according to palm;

> > > horoscope erected on birth data has a lagna which is same for all persons

born in a time slot of approximately 2 hours; but destinies of even twins are

not identical.

> > > So it is possible that both the horoscopes may be different.

> > >

> > > The job of lalkitab astrologer is to find out this X factor.

> > > the difference may be due to bloodline i.e. paap; punya of his ancestors.

> > > something done by the native in previous life.

> > > more importantly his actions in the present life.

> > >

> > > both horoscopes are equally important but if the individual's life's

circumstances are not according to these 2 horoscopes; then the X factor has to

be found.

> > >

> > > Pt ji. writes in the last line of the page. MAGAR ZAROORI BAAT TO YE HOGI

KI FARQ NIKAAL HI LIYA JAVE.

> > > THE IMPORTANT THING WOULD BE THAT THIS DIFFERENCE IS SORTED OUT.

> > >

> > > Infact this is the very essence , crux of ;lalkitab astrology.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > >

> > >

> > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > >

> > > > As far as I know chart is supposed to be drawn from palm in Lal Kitab.

> > > > What is the truth? and how does it work?

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ashish ji;

> > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that

will help you.

> > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps

> > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the time

of your birth.

> > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking

etc.

> > > > > 3. study of your house.

> > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you strengthened

by your actions and what planets you have spoiled.

> > > > >

> > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then

also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little

knowledge i have.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , aashish rai

<raiaashish@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your reply.

My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the place

is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has indicated

in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2

possibilities for lagna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus

> > > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant

> > > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn

> > > > > > 4th house- Vacant

> > > > > > 5th House- Vacant

> > > > > > 6th House- Rahu

> > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter

> > > > > > 8th House- Moon

> > > > > > 9th house- Vacant

> > > > > > 10th House- Vacant

> > > > > > 11th House †" Sun

> > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu

> > > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus

> > > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant

> > > > > > 4th House †" Saturn

> > > > > > 5th house- Vacant

> > > > > > 6th House- Vacant

> > > > > > 7th House- Rahu

> > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter

> > > > > > 9th House- Moon

> > > > > > 10th house- Vacant

> > > > > > 11th House- Vacant

> > > > > > 12th House †" Sun

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in

1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6

months to see why I have so many failures in life.

> > > > > > Aashish

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@>

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM

> > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji;

> > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham.

it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion

with degrees; also degree of ascendant;

> > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a

note on it. hope it helps.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7

> > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than males.

> > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social

institution.

> > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon. It

is god for him that he retains a practical outlook.

> > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth otherwise

he is cremated at his birth place.

> > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him.

> > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune.

> > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to

hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son.

However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes

smoother.

> > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with

large family and good wealth.

> > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined,

> > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45.

> > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology

> > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s

ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at

par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion.

> > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for

religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase.

Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect

wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such

religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in

young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his

bad condition in old age.

> > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains dormant,

the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he shall have

to labour manually.

> > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native doesn’t

gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or supports

him.

> > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus

his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will

suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He

is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty.

> > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic

capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a

child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself

turns into a failure.

> > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with him

or at his place.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >---------- Original message ----------

> > > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in >

> > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29

> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter

> > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar,

> > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there

are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any

earnings from last 3 years. My details are:

> > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed by

bhaskarji in this forum).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>Regards,

> > > > > > >>Aashish

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage. http://in./

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dev ji,

 

Sorry I am speaking in between.

 

Ultimately whether one goes by a Bus, Taxi, or his own car, all reach the same

Movie hall and watch the same picture if they have purchased a Cinema ticket for

the show.

 

Vedic Traditional is a seperate approach though has a lot of common with

Lalkitab, for instance the Devi-Devatas related to the planets and many other

facets.

 

At times Lalkitab is very effective. In fact shockingly effective, but we are

ourselves not competent (I am talking about myself and not about the senior

Experts of Lalkitab)enough to understand how to apply Lalkitab principles so

fall shrt at times in analaysis, but this has nothing to do with Lalkitab. In my

last visit to jaipur,The place where I had put up,one of their family members

had visited a LAlKitab expert in Jaipur, and you will find surprising enough

that the astrologer told the lady within 2 minutes of checking her chart " Did

You loose your handkerchief within last 1 week " ? And the answer was of course

" Yes " . (Please do not ask me the name of this astrologer, as he is inaccesible.)

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:

>

> Tks Kulbirji,

>

> While I was thinking of reading Lal Kitab whenever I get time, now my desire

is weakened a bit.

> How do you find Lal Kitab? Is it effective? How do you compare it with Hindu

Vedic?

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Dev,

> > Remember Mr. Bhaskar termed lalkitab method as TEEDHI KHEER and RADHA HUA

DOODH,

> > Casting a chart from a palm is very tricky;

> > same lines can be interpreted in many ways; plus when we say palm kundali;

it includes not mere lines/mounts of a palm; we refer to samudrik;

> > type of hand; height of person; complexion; hair; features; voice; body

language; writing; relatives; relations; his house; surroundings etc. etc.

> >

> > Birth or Natal horoscope serves as a reference point.

> > it always helps to have a reference point;

> > in that sense Natal horoscope scores over Palm horoscope.

> >

> > apart from terming this phenomenon as X factor; i have not at all deviated

from what the book says.

> >

> > X factor is not another chart. in my words i would describe this as such.

While analyzing a case, one will come across many charts. Rigorous

study/training / re-re-revision of the subject trains/conditions one's mind.

> > the various charts have data mixed up like iron is mixed with sand wood etc.

> > mind becomes a magnet and picks up the iron; i.e. relevant portion from the

various charts.

> > This is lalkitab method's application.

> > please feel free to ask anything anytime. It helps me a lot

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> >

> >

> > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Kulbirji,

> > >

> > > I am not Devi Singh. He is different guy in group.

> > > Your answer leads to more questions:

> > >

> > > - Unless and until you relate events to two charts, you can not decide

whether to find so caled X factor or not. Strange, I expected Lal Kitab use of

palm for drawing chart as ultimate since then one need not worry of birth time

rectification if palm is being used.

> > >

> > > - What is X factor? Another chart?

> > > - What related to horoscope chart and what to Palm chart?

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> > >

> > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Devi Singh Ji;

> > > > i have termed this concept as study of X FACTOR.

> > > >

> > > > Lalkitab explains this on page 249; 1940 edition;

> > > > 1. Horoscope has to be erected according to birth time.

> > > > 2. Horoscope has to be cast according to palm;

> > > > horoscope erected on birth data has a lagna which is same for all

persons born in a time slot of approximately 2 hours; but destinies of even

twins are not identical.

> > > > So it is possible that both the horoscopes may be different.

> > > >

> > > > The job of lalkitab astrologer is to find out this X factor.

> > > > the difference may be due to bloodline i.e. paap; punya of his

ancestors.

> > > > something done by the native in previous life.

> > > > more importantly his actions in the present life.

> > > >

> > > > both horoscopes are equally important but if the individual's life's

circumstances are not according to these 2 horoscopes; then the X factor has to

be found.

> > > >

> > > > Pt ji. writes in the last line of the page. MAGAR ZAROORI BAAT TO YE

HOGI KI FARQ NIKAAL HI LIYA JAVE.

> > > > THE IMPORTANT THING WOULD BE THAT THIS DIFFERENCE IS SORTED OUT.

> > > >

> > > > Infact this is the very essence , crux of ;lalkitab astrology.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > > >

> > > > > As far as I know chart is supposed to be drawn from palm in Lal Kitab.

> > > > > What is the truth? and how does it work?

> > > > >

> > > > > regds

> > > > > Dev

> > > > >

> > > > > , " kulbir "

<kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ashish ji;

> > > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that

will help you.

> > > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps

> > > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the

time of your birth.

> > > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking

etc.

> > > > > > 3. study of your house.

> > > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you

strengthened by your actions and what planets you have spoiled.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then

also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little

knowledge i have.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , aashish rai

<raiaashish@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your

reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the

place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has

indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2

possibilities for lagna.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus

> > > > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant

> > > > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn

> > > > > > > 4th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > 5th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > 6th House- Rahu

> > > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter

> > > > > > > 8th House- Moon

> > > > > > > 9th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > 10th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > 11th House †" Sun

> > > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu

> > > > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus

> > > > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant

> > > > > > > 4th House †" Saturn

> > > > > > > 5th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > 6th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > 7th House- Rahu

> > > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter

> > > > > > > 9th House- Moon

> > > > > > > 10th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > 11th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > 12th House †" Sun

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in

1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6

months to see why I have so many failures in life.

> > > > > > > Aashish

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@>

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji;

> > > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham.

it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion

with degrees; also degree of ascendant;

> > > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a

note on it. hope it helps.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7

> > > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than

males.

> > > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social

institution.

> > > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon.

It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook.

> > > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth

otherwise he is cremated at his birth place.

> > > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him.

> > > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune.

> > > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to

hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son.

However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes

smoother.

> > > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with

large family and good wealth.

> > > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined,

> > > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45.

> > > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology

> > > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s

ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at

par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion.

> > > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for

religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase.

Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect

wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such

religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in

young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his

bad condition in old age.

> > > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains

dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he

shall have to labour manually.

> > > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native

doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or

supports him.

> > > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus

his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will

suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He

is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty.

> > > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic

capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a

child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself

turns into a failure.

> > > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with

him or at his place.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >---------- Original message ----------

> > > > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in >

> > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29

> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter

> > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar,

> > > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there

are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any

earnings from last 3 years. My details are:

> > > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed

by bhaskarji in this forum).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>Regards,

> > > > > > > >>Aashish

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage. http://in./

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Another example -

 

One textile clothes dealer in Surat suddenly started getting business problems,

and also related to staff. n checking his chart thrugh Lalkitab, I questined him

whether did he due to any reason make a hole in the western wall of his house,

and he replied - Yes I have made a hole in the wall for ventinaltions (AC)...

And that fellow was really astonished, and he has now become my permanent client

in astrology, (though I am not interested in him, because he calls up too many

times every week for stupid queries).

 

another example -

Last year one of the members of these Groups who is in Saudi, loved a women in

India whom he wanted to marry, whose chart was apparently not good as per

traditional approach, but when I checked it through LalKitab I noticed smething

and asked the member whether that lady has a mark of a snake on her wrist. He

had never met that lady in his Life and had developed the Love Online, so he

asked for some time. Within two days he called back to say that " yes she has

such a mark " . And he was excited about it. I okayed their marriage, and they did

get married last year..

 

Hope this sends the message across.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Dev ji,

>

> Sorry I am speaking in between.

>

> Ultimately whether one goes by a Bus, Taxi, or his own car, all reach the same

Movie hall and watch the same picture if they have purchased a Cinema ticket for

the show.

>

> Vedic Traditional is a seperate approach though has a lot of common with

Lalkitab, for instance the Devi-Devatas related to the planets and many other

facets.

>

> At times Lalkitab is very effective. In fact shockingly effective, but we are

ourselves not competent (I am talking about myself and not about the senior

Experts of Lalkitab)enough to understand how to apply Lalkitab principles so

fall shrt at times in analaysis, but this has nothing to do with Lalkitab. In my

last visit to jaipur,The place where I had put up,one of their family members

had visited a LAlKitab expert in Jaipur, and you will find surprising enough

that the astrologer told the lady within 2 minutes of checking her chart " Did

You loose your handkerchief within last 1 week " ? And the answer was of course

" Yes " . (Please do not ask me the name of this astrologer, as he is inaccesible.)

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> >

> > Tks Kulbirji,

> >

> > While I was thinking of reading Lal Kitab whenever I get time, now my desire

is weakened a bit.

> > How do you find Lal Kitab? Is it effective? How do you compare it with Hindu

Vedic?

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Dev,

> > > Remember Mr. Bhaskar termed lalkitab method as TEEDHI KHEER and RADHA HUA

DOODH,

> > > Casting a chart from a palm is very tricky;

> > > same lines can be interpreted in many ways; plus when we say palm kundali;

it includes not mere lines/mounts of a palm; we refer to samudrik;

> > > type of hand; height of person; complexion; hair; features; voice; body

language; writing; relatives; relations; his house; surroundings etc. etc.

> > >

> > > Birth or Natal horoscope serves as a reference point.

> > > it always helps to have a reference point;

> > > in that sense Natal horoscope scores over Palm horoscope.

> > >

> > > apart from terming this phenomenon as X factor; i have not at all deviated

from what the book says.

> > >

> > > X factor is not another chart. in my words i would describe this as such.

While analyzing a case, one will come across many charts. Rigorous

study/training / re-re-revision of the subject trains/conditions one's mind.

> > > the various charts have data mixed up like iron is mixed with sand wood

etc.

> > > mind becomes a magnet and picks up the iron; i.e. relevant portion from

the various charts.

> > > This is lalkitab method's application.

> > > please feel free to ask anything anytime. It helps me a lot

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Kulbirji,

> > > >

> > > > I am not Devi Singh. He is different guy in group.

> > > > Your answer leads to more questions:

> > > >

> > > > - Unless and until you relate events to two charts, you can not decide

whether to find so caled X factor or not. Strange, I expected Lal Kitab use of

palm for drawing chart as ultimate since then one need not worry of birth time

rectification if palm is being used.

> > > >

> > > > - What is X factor? Another chart?

> > > > - What related to horoscope chart and what to Palm chart?

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Devi Singh Ji;

> > > > > i have termed this concept as study of X FACTOR.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lalkitab explains this on page 249; 1940 edition;

> > > > > 1. Horoscope has to be erected according to birth time.

> > > > > 2. Horoscope has to be cast according to palm;

> > > > > horoscope erected on birth data has a lagna which is same for all

persons born in a time slot of approximately 2 hours; but destinies of even

twins are not identical.

> > > > > So it is possible that both the horoscopes may be different.

> > > > >

> > > > > The job of lalkitab astrologer is to find out this X factor.

> > > > > the difference may be due to bloodline i.e. paap; punya of his

ancestors.

> > > > > something done by the native in previous life.

> > > > > more importantly his actions in the present life.

> > > > >

> > > > > both horoscopes are equally important but if the individual's life's

circumstances are not according to these 2 horoscopes; then the X factor has to

be found.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pt ji. writes in the last line of the page. MAGAR ZAROORI BAAT TO YE

HOGI KI FARQ NIKAAL HI LIYA JAVE.

> > > > > THE IMPORTANT THING WOULD BE THAT THIS DIFFERENCE IS SORTED OUT.

> > > > >

> > > > > Infact this is the very essence , crux of ;lalkitab astrology.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as I know chart is supposed to be drawn from palm in Lal

Kitab.

> > > > > > What is the truth? and how does it work?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regds

> > > > > > Dev

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " kulbir "

<kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji;

> > > > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that

will help you.

> > > > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps

> > > > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the

time of your birth.

> > > > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking

etc.

> > > > > > > 3. study of your house.

> > > > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you

strengthened by your actions and what planets you have spoiled.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then

also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little

knowledge i have.

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , aashish rai

<raiaashish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your

reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the

place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has

indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2

possibilities for lagna.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus

> > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant

> > > > > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn

> > > > > > > > 4th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > > 5th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > > 6th House- Rahu

> > > > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter

> > > > > > > > 8th House- Moon

> > > > > > > > 9th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > > 10th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > > 11th House †" Sun

> > > > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu

> > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus

> > > > > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant

> > > > > > > > 4th House †" Saturn

> > > > > > > > 5th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > > 6th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > > 7th House- Rahu

> > > > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter

> > > > > > > > 9th House- Moon

> > > > > > > > 10th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > > 11th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > > 12th House †" Sun

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in

1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6

months to see why I have so many failures in life.

> > > > > > > > Aashish

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@>

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji;

> > > > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to

vaham. it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary

posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant;

> > > > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written

a note on it. hope it helps.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7

> > > > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than

males.

> > > > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social

institution.

> > > > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon.

It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook.

> > > > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth

otherwise he is cremated at his birth place.

> > > > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him.

> > > > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his

fortune.

> > > > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to

hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son.

However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes

smoother.

> > > > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with

large family and good wealth.

> > > > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined,

> > > > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age

25-45.

> > > > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology

> > > > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the

native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will

also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion.

> > > > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for

religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase.

Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect

wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such

religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in

young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his

bad condition in old age.

> > > > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains

dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he

shall have to labour manually.

> > > > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native

doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or

supports him.

> > > > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn,

venus his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son

will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as

asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty.

> > > > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in

malefic capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he

adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he

himself turns into a failure.

> > > > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with

him or at his place.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ----------

> > > > > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in >

> > > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29

> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter

> > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar,

> > > > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or

there are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have

any earnings from last 3 years. My details are:

> > > > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as

fixed by bhaskarji in this forum).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>Aashish

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage. http://in./

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Dev;

There is nothing more Vedic and Sanatan than Lalkitab.

I find it very effective.

Urdu script has caused many misconceptions but the plain truth is that it was

the language of the day.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji wrote Zafarnama in Persian but that doesn't mean that it is

muslim oriented.

We communicate in English but that doesn't mean that we are deviating from

basics or we give preference to christian culture and beliefs.

 

Generally there are 4 stages in course of study of lalkitab student.

 

1. One learns about the book or sees a commentary kept alongside other books of

astrology and peeps in. he reads his planetary position and is impressed by the

symptoms and simple remedies.

2. He gets hold of translations / transliterations of 42 and 52 edition; jumps

straight to planet description first and reads symptoms and remedies. now he

becomes an expert and starts analyzing other peoples horoscopes also. It is a

great ego booster.

3. Generally most students are happy and satisfied at this stage but those with

inquisitive spirit realise sooner or later that they have missed the most

important/vital part i.e. Grammar.

4. Now starts the real journey. the slate of mind is wiped out clean; very

difficult to LET GO. and study begins afresh.

 

Regards

Kulbir Bains

 

 

 

 

, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:

>

> Tks Kulbirji,

>

> While I was thinking of reading Lal Kitab whenever I get time, now my desire

is weakened a bit.

> How do you find Lal Kitab? Is it effective? How do you compare it with Hindu

Vedic?

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Dev,

> > Remember Mr. Bhaskar termed lalkitab method as TEEDHI KHEER and RADHA HUA

DOODH,

> > Casting a chart from a palm is very tricky;

> > same lines can be interpreted in many ways; plus when we say palm kundali;

it includes not mere lines/mounts of a palm; we refer to samudrik;

> > type of hand; height of person; complexion; hair; features; voice; body

language; writing; relatives; relations; his house; surroundings etc. etc.

> >

> > Birth or Natal horoscope serves as a reference point.

> > it always helps to have a reference point;

> > in that sense Natal horoscope scores over Palm horoscope.

> >

> > apart from terming this phenomenon as X factor; i have not at all deviated

from what the book says.

> >

> > X factor is not another chart. in my words i would describe this as such.

While analyzing a case, one will come across many charts. Rigorous

study/training / re-re-revision of the subject trains/conditions one's mind.

> > the various charts have data mixed up like iron is mixed with sand wood etc.

> > mind becomes a magnet and picks up the iron; i.e. relevant portion from the

various charts.

> > This is lalkitab method's application.

> > please feel free to ask anything anytime. It helps me a lot

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> >

> >

> > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Kulbirji,

> > >

> > > I am not Devi Singh. He is different guy in group.

> > > Your answer leads to more questions:

> > >

> > > - Unless and until you relate events to two charts, you can not decide

whether to find so caled X factor or not. Strange, I expected Lal Kitab use of

palm for drawing chart as ultimate since then one need not worry of birth time

rectification if palm is being used.

> > >

> > > - What is X factor? Another chart?

> > > - What related to horoscope chart and what to Palm chart?

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> > >

> > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Devi Singh Ji;

> > > > i have termed this concept as study of X FACTOR.

> > > >

> > > > Lalkitab explains this on page 249; 1940 edition;

> > > > 1. Horoscope has to be erected according to birth time.

> > > > 2. Horoscope has to be cast according to palm;

> > > > horoscope erected on birth data has a lagna which is same for all

persons born in a time slot of approximately 2 hours; but destinies of even

twins are not identical.

> > > > So it is possible that both the horoscopes may be different.

> > > >

> > > > The job of lalkitab astrologer is to find out this X factor.

> > > > the difference may be due to bloodline i.e. paap; punya of his

ancestors.

> > > > something done by the native in previous life.

> > > > more importantly his actions in the present life.

> > > >

> > > > both horoscopes are equally important but if the individual's life's

circumstances are not according to these 2 horoscopes; then the X factor has to

be found.

> > > >

> > > > Pt ji. writes in the last line of the page. MAGAR ZAROORI BAAT TO YE

HOGI KI FARQ NIKAAL HI LIYA JAVE.

> > > > THE IMPORTANT THING WOULD BE THAT THIS DIFFERENCE IS SORTED OUT.

> > > >

> > > > Infact this is the very essence , crux of ;lalkitab astrology.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > > >

> > > > > As far as I know chart is supposed to be drawn from palm in Lal Kitab.

> > > > > What is the truth? and how does it work?

> > > > >

> > > > > regds

> > > > > Dev

> > > > >

> > > > > , " kulbir "

<kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ashish ji;

> > > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that

will help you.

> > > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps

> > > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the

time of your birth.

> > > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking

etc.

> > > > > > 3. study of your house.

> > > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you

strengthened by your actions and what planets you have spoiled.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then

also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little

knowledge i have.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , aashish rai

<raiaashish@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your

reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the

place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has

indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2

possibilities for lagna.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus

> > > > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant

> > > > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn

> > > > > > > 4th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > 5th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > 6th House- Rahu

> > > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter

> > > > > > > 8th House- Moon

> > > > > > > 9th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > 10th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > 11th House †" Sun

> > > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu

> > > > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus

> > > > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant

> > > > > > > 4th House †" Saturn

> > > > > > > 5th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > 6th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > 7th House- Rahu

> > > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter

> > > > > > > 9th House- Moon

> > > > > > > 10th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > 11th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > 12th House †" Sun

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in

1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6

months to see why I have so many failures in life.

> > > > > > > Aashish

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@>

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji;

> > > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to vaham.

it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary posion

with degrees; also degree of ascendant;

> > > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written a

note on it. hope it helps.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7

> > > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than

males.

> > > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social

institution.

> > > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon.

It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook.

> > > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth

otherwise he is cremated at his birth place.

> > > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him.

> > > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his fortune.

> > > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to

hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son.

However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes

smoother.

> > > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with

large family and good wealth.

> > > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined,

> > > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age 25-45.

> > > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology

> > > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the native’s

ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will also be at

par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion.

> > > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for

religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase.

Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect

wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such

religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in

young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his

bad condition in old age.

> > > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains

dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he

shall have to labour manually.

> > > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native

doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or

supports him.

> > > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn, venus

his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son will

suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as asthama. He

is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty.

> > > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in malefic

capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he adopts a

child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he himself

turns into a failure.

> > > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with

him or at his place.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >---------- Original message ----------

> > > > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in >

> > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29

> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter

> > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar,

> > > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or there

are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have any

earnings from last 3 years. My details are:

> > > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as fixed

by bhaskarji in this forum).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>Regards,

> > > > > > > >>Aashish

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage. http://in./

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,

 

You can always speak in between since this is a general forum for discussion.

 

Your examples are quite interesting. Very well said that all routes leads to one

destination.

 

regds

Dev

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Dev ji,

>

> Sorry I am speaking in between.

>

> Ultimately whether one goes by a Bus, Taxi, or his own car, all reach the same

Movie hall and watch the same picture if they have purchased a Cinema ticket for

the show.

>

> Vedic Traditional is a seperate approach though has a lot of common with

Lalkitab, for instance the Devi-Devatas related to the planets and many other

facets.

>

> At times Lalkitab is very effective. In fact shockingly effective, but we are

ourselves not competent (I am talking about myself and not about the senior

Experts of Lalkitab)enough to understand how to apply Lalkitab principles so

fall shrt at times in analaysis, but this has nothing to do with Lalkitab. In my

last visit to jaipur,The place where I had put up,one of their family members

had visited a LAlKitab expert in Jaipur, and you will find surprising enough

that the astrologer told the lady within 2 minutes of checking her chart " Did

You loose your handkerchief within last 1 week " ? And the answer was of course

" Yes " . (Please do not ask me the name of this astrologer, as he is inaccesible.)

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> >

> > Tks Kulbirji,

> >

> > While I was thinking of reading Lal Kitab whenever I get time, now my desire

is weakened a bit.

> > How do you find Lal Kitab? Is it effective? How do you compare it with Hindu

Vedic?

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Dev,

> > > Remember Mr. Bhaskar termed lalkitab method as TEEDHI KHEER and RADHA HUA

DOODH,

> > > Casting a chart from a palm is very tricky;

> > > same lines can be interpreted in many ways; plus when we say palm kundali;

it includes not mere lines/mounts of a palm; we refer to samudrik;

> > > type of hand; height of person; complexion; hair; features; voice; body

language; writing; relatives; relations; his house; surroundings etc. etc.

> > >

> > > Birth or Natal horoscope serves as a reference point.

> > > it always helps to have a reference point;

> > > in that sense Natal horoscope scores over Palm horoscope.

> > >

> > > apart from terming this phenomenon as X factor; i have not at all deviated

from what the book says.

> > >

> > > X factor is not another chart. in my words i would describe this as such.

While analyzing a case, one will come across many charts. Rigorous

study/training / re-re-revision of the subject trains/conditions one's mind.

> > > the various charts have data mixed up like iron is mixed with sand wood

etc.

> > > mind becomes a magnet and picks up the iron; i.e. relevant portion from

the various charts.

> > > This is lalkitab method's application.

> > > please feel free to ask anything anytime. It helps me a lot

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Kulbirji,

> > > >

> > > > I am not Devi Singh. He is different guy in group.

> > > > Your answer leads to more questions:

> > > >

> > > > - Unless and until you relate events to two charts, you can not decide

whether to find so caled X factor or not. Strange, I expected Lal Kitab use of

palm for drawing chart as ultimate since then one need not worry of birth time

rectification if palm is being used.

> > > >

> > > > - What is X factor? Another chart?

> > > > - What related to horoscope chart and what to Palm chart?

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Devi Singh Ji;

> > > > > i have termed this concept as study of X FACTOR.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lalkitab explains this on page 249; 1940 edition;

> > > > > 1. Horoscope has to be erected according to birth time.

> > > > > 2. Horoscope has to be cast according to palm;

> > > > > horoscope erected on birth data has a lagna which is same for all

persons born in a time slot of approximately 2 hours; but destinies of even

twins are not identical.

> > > > > So it is possible that both the horoscopes may be different.

> > > > >

> > > > > The job of lalkitab astrologer is to find out this X factor.

> > > > > the difference may be due to bloodline i.e. paap; punya of his

ancestors.

> > > > > something done by the native in previous life.

> > > > > more importantly his actions in the present life.

> > > > >

> > > > > both horoscopes are equally important but if the individual's life's

circumstances are not according to these 2 horoscopes; then the X factor has to

be found.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pt ji. writes in the last line of the page. MAGAR ZAROORI BAAT TO YE

HOGI KI FARQ NIKAAL HI LIYA JAVE.

> > > > > THE IMPORTANT THING WOULD BE THAT THIS DIFFERENCE IS SORTED OUT.

> > > > >

> > > > > Infact this is the very essence , crux of ;lalkitab astrology.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as I know chart is supposed to be drawn from palm in Lal

Kitab.

> > > > > > What is the truth? and how does it work?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regds

> > > > > > Dev

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " kulbir "

<kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji;

> > > > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules that

will help you.

> > > > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps

> > > > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at the

time of your birth.

> > > > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing walking

etc.

> > > > > > > 3. study of your house.

> > > > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you

strengthened by your actions and what planets you have spoiled.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if then

also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever little

knowledge i have.

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , aashish rai

<raiaashish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your

reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the

place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has

indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2

possibilities for lagna.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus

> > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant

> > > > > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn

> > > > > > > > 4th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > > 5th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > > 6th House- Rahu

> > > > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter

> > > > > > > > 8th House- Moon

> > > > > > > > 9th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > > 10th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > > 11th House †" Sun

> > > > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu

> > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus

> > > > > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant

> > > > > > > > 4th House †" Saturn

> > > > > > > > 5th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > > 6th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > > 7th House- Rahu

> > > > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter

> > > > > > > > 9th House- Moon

> > > > > > > > 10th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > > 11th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > > 12th House †" Sun

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born in

1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6

months to see why I have so many failures in life.

> > > > > > > > Aashish

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@>

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji;

> > > > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to

vaham. it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary

posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant;

> > > > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have written

a note on it. hope it helps.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7

> > > > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than

males.

> > > > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social

institution.

> > > > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of moon.

It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook.

> > > > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth

otherwise he is cremated at his birth place.

> > > > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him.

> > > > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his

fortune.

> > > > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to

hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son.

However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes

smoother.

> > > > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native with

large family and good wealth.

> > > > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously disciplined,

> > > > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age

25-45.

> > > > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology

> > > > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the

native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will

also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion.

> > > > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for

religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase.

Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect

wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such

religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in

young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his

bad condition in old age.

> > > > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains

dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he

shall have to labour manually.

> > > > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native

doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or

supports him.

> > > > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn,

venus his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son

will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as

asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty.

> > > > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in

malefic capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he

adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he

himself turns into a failure.

> > > > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be with

him or at his place.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ----------

> > > > > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in >

> > > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29

> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter

> > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar,

> > > > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or

there are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have

any earnings from last 3 years. My details are:

> > > > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as

fixed by bhaskarji in this forum).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>Aashish

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage. http://in./

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Bhaskar ji,

Kyon bachon se mazak karte ho.

the very purpose of participating in groups is to get in touch with learned

people like your goodself.

Mr. Yograj Prabhakar kept on insisting that i meet a scholar from Kerala to

learn finer nuisances of lalkitab. But i had a notion that only Punjabis

(erstwhile punjab including himachal and haryana) know about lalkitab.

But as you now Prabhakar ji is a good teacher. He brought copy of notes of that

scholar for me.

It literally swept the ground underneath my feet.

These granths are not jagir of any particular people. They belong to humanity.

Regards.

Kulbir Bains.

 

, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

>

> You can always speak in between since this is a general forum for discussion.

>

> Your examples are quite interesting. Very well said that all routes leads to

one destination.

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dev ji,

> >

> > Sorry I am speaking in between.

> >

> > Ultimately whether one goes by a Bus, Taxi, or his own car, all reach the

same Movie hall and watch the same picture if they have purchased a Cinema

ticket for the show.

> >

> > Vedic Traditional is a seperate approach though has a lot of common with

Lalkitab, for instance the Devi-Devatas related to the planets and many other

facets.

> >

> > At times Lalkitab is very effective. In fact shockingly effective, but we

are ourselves not competent (I am talking about myself and not about the senior

Experts of Lalkitab)enough to understand how to apply Lalkitab principles so

fall shrt at times in analaysis, but this has nothing to do with Lalkitab. In my

last visit to jaipur,The place where I had put up,one of their family members

had visited a LAlKitab expert in Jaipur, and you will find surprising enough

that the astrologer told the lady within 2 minutes of checking her chart " Did

You loose your handkerchief within last 1 week " ? And the answer was of course

" Yes " . (Please do not ask me the name of this astrologer, as he is inaccesible.)

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Tks Kulbirji,

> > >

> > > While I was thinking of reading Lal Kitab whenever I get time, now my

desire is weakened a bit.

> > > How do you find Lal Kitab? Is it effective? How do you compare it with

Hindu Vedic?

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Dev,

> > > > Remember Mr. Bhaskar termed lalkitab method as TEEDHI KHEER and RADHA

HUA DOODH,

> > > > Casting a chart from a palm is very tricky;

> > > > same lines can be interpreted in many ways; plus when we say palm

kundali; it includes not mere lines/mounts of a palm; we refer to samudrik;

> > > > type of hand; height of person; complexion; hair; features; voice; body

language; writing; relatives; relations; his house; surroundings etc. etc.

> > > >

> > > > Birth or Natal horoscope serves as a reference point.

> > > > it always helps to have a reference point;

> > > > in that sense Natal horoscope scores over Palm horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > apart from terming this phenomenon as X factor; i have not at all

deviated from what the book says.

> > > >

> > > > X factor is not another chart. in my words i would describe this as

such. While analyzing a case, one will come across many charts. Rigorous

study/training / re-re-revision of the subject trains/conditions one's mind.

> > > > the various charts have data mixed up like iron is mixed with sand wood

etc.

> > > > mind becomes a magnet and picks up the iron; i.e. relevant portion from

the various charts.

> > > > This is lalkitab method's application.

> > > > please feel free to ask anything anytime. It helps me a lot

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Kulbirji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am not Devi Singh. He is different guy in group.

> > > > > Your answer leads to more questions:

> > > > >

> > > > > - Unless and until you relate events to two charts, you can not decide

whether to find so caled X factor or not. Strange, I expected Lal Kitab use of

palm for drawing chart as ultimate since then one need not worry of birth time

rectification if palm is being used.

> > > > >

> > > > > - What is X factor? Another chart?

> > > > > - What related to horoscope chart and what to Palm chart?

> > > > >

> > > > > regds

> > > > > Dev

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " kulbir "

<kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Devi Singh Ji;

> > > > > > i have termed this concept as study of X FACTOR.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lalkitab explains this on page 249; 1940 edition;

> > > > > > 1. Horoscope has to be erected according to birth time.

> > > > > > 2. Horoscope has to be cast according to palm;

> > > > > > horoscope erected on birth data has a lagna which is same for all

persons born in a time slot of approximately 2 hours; but destinies of even

twins are not identical.

> > > > > > So it is possible that both the horoscopes may be different.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The job of lalkitab astrologer is to find out this X factor.

> > > > > > the difference may be due to bloodline i.e. paap; punya of his

ancestors.

> > > > > > something done by the native in previous life.

> > > > > > more importantly his actions in the present life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > both horoscopes are equally important but if the individual's life's

circumstances are not according to these 2 horoscopes; then the X factor has to

be found.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pt ji. writes in the last line of the page. MAGAR ZAROORI BAAT TO YE

HOGI KI FARQ NIKAAL HI LIYA JAVE.

> > > > > > THE IMPORTANT THING WOULD BE THAT THIS DIFFERENCE IS SORTED OUT.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Infact this is the very essence , crux of ;lalkitab astrology.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " axeplex "

<axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far as I know chart is supposed to be drawn from palm in Lal

Kitab.

> > > > > > > What is the truth? and how does it work?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regds

> > > > > > > Dev

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " kulbir "

<kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Ashish ji;

> > > > > > > > if you want lalkitab consultation, let me tell you some rules

that will help you.

> > > > > > > > lalkitab analysis consists of 4 steps

> > > > > > > > 1. study of you horoscope erected from planetary positions at

the time of your birth.

> > > > > > > > 2. study of your palm, physique, manner of talking writing

walking etc.

> > > > > > > > 3. study of your house.

> > > > > > > > 3. your actions in this life time, what planets have you

strengthened by your actions and what planets you have spoiled.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > so consult some professional whom you can meet personally. if

then also you have some doubts. i am always there to help you with whatever

little knowledge i have.

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , aashish rai

<raiaashish@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbirji,

> > > > > > > > > Let me first wish you a Happy New year. Thanks a lot for your

reply. My birth time is not recorded hence the problem. It's 14/11/1965 and the

place is Ara/Arrah Bihar. It's after sunrise and before noon. Bhaskarji has

indicated in this forum that it can be around 10.04 am. the following are the 2

possibilities for lagna.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. Lal kitab kundali

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1st house †" Mars and Venus

> > > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Vacant

> > > > > > > > > 3rd House †" Saturn

> > > > > > > > > 4th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > > > 5th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > > > 6th House- Rahu

> > > > > > > > > 7th House- Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > 8th House- Moon

> > > > > > > > > 9th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > > > 10th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > > > 11th House †" Sun

> > > > > > > > > 12th House- Mer, Ketu

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. Lal kitab kundali

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1st House- Mer, Ketu

> > > > > > > > > 2nd house †" Mars and Venus

> > > > > > > > > 3nd house †" Vacant

> > > > > > > > > 4th House †" Saturn

> > > > > > > > > 5th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > > > 6th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > > > 7th House- Rahu

> > > > > > > > > 8th House- Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > 9th House- Moon

> > > > > > > > > 10th house- Vacant

> > > > > > > > > 11th House- Vacant

> > > > > > > > > 12th House †" Sun

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am the Eldest son. I have only one child(son). He was born

in 1996. As I am jobless from last 3 years, started learning astrology about 6

months to see why I have so many failures in life.

> > > > > > > > > Aashish

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > kulbir bains <kulbirbains@>

> > > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Fri, 1 January, 2010 8:48:57 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: Lalkitab - Jupiter

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rajaashish Ji;

> > > > > > > > > Decision taken on placement of one planet will only lead to

vaham. it will be very kind of you if you could please write down the planatary

posion with degrees; also degree of ascendant;

> > > > > > > > > as far as jupiter in 7 is concerned in isolation i have

written a note on it. hope it helps.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter in house no.7

> > > > > > > > > 1. This position is better in the horoscope of females than

males.

> > > > > > > > > 2. Gets some post with authority in some religious or social

institution.

> > > > > > > > > 3. the natives fiscal position depends upon the nature of

moon. It is god for him that he retains a practical outlook.

> > > > > > > > > 4. generally death takes place at the place of his birth

otherwise he is cremated at his birth place.

> > > > > > > > > 5. journeys are fruitful for him.

> > > > > > > > > 6. the dowry that his wife brings in marriage boosts his

fortune.

> > > > > > > > > 7. disrespects his duties towards house and marriage due to

hankering after religious matters and this results in delay in birth of son.

However a son is born to him in the age span of 34 to 45 and his life becomes

smoother.

> > > > > > > > > 8. when Saturn is in house no 7 or 9 it blesses the native

with large family and good wealth.

> > > > > > > > > 9. when ketu is benefic, the native is religiously

disciplined,

> > > > > > > > > 10. when rahu is benefic, rich and just especially in age

25-45.

> > > > > > > > > 11. when sun in house no 1 inclined towards astrology

> > > > > > > > > 12. when house no 1,2,5,9,12 have sun, moon, mars, the

native’s ancestors are also rich and renowned but it is not sure that he will

also be at par with them. He is too much devoted towards religion.

> > > > > > > > > 13. mars or mercury malefic, the native keeps on roaming for

religious discourses etc. his sister or aunt will be going through a bad phase.

Financial condition is not sound. Can resort to unlawful methods to collect

wealth. His condition will become worst if he accompanies a false guru or such

religious personality. He hankers after recognizationin religious fields in

young and middle age and doesn’t cares about his progeny, which results in his

bad condition in old age.

> > > > > > > > > 14. when house no 1 and 2 are vacant, i.e. Jupiter remains

dormant, the native may be a gold mine for others but for feeding himself he

shall have to labour manually.

> > > > > > > > > 15. when Jupiter turns malefic in this house. The native

doesn’t gets any post with authority, his brotherhood also doesn’t helps or

supports him.

> > > > > > > > > 16. when house no 1,2,5,7.9,12 have mercury, rahu , Saturn,

venus his progeny suffers especially if venus becomes weak. Even his adopted son

will suffer. Father or grandfather will suffer from lung diseases such as

asthama. He is not worldly smart. Makes both ends meet with difficulty.

> > > > > > > > > 17. when house no 2,4,6,11,12 have mercury,Saturn, and in

malefic capacity. The native longs for birth of son till the age of 45. if he

adopts a child that also suffers. May stammer After 45 and birth of his son, he

himself turns into a failure.

> > > > > > > > > 18. in malefic results rattis or items or mars bad will be

with him or at his place.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >---------- Original message ----------

> > > > > > > > > >" raiaashish " < raiaashish (AT) (DOT) co.in >

> > > > > > > > > >28 Dec 09 07:17:29

> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Lalkitab - Jupiter

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> > > > > > > > > >Kulbirji Namaskar,

> > > > > > > > > >>Is Jupiter in 7th always bad for the sons of the native or

there are exceptions? I am little worried as my Jupiter is in 7th and don't have

any earnings from last 3 years. My details are:

> > > > > > > > > >>Don:14/11/1965, Pob: ara/arrah (bihar), tob: 10:04 Am( as

fixed by bhaskarji in this forum).

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> > > > > > > > > >>Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >>Aashish

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