Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm, I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views and comments on this and most importantly from Astology and Astrologer's perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to him (as he says in this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and Astrology becomes just a Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me. Here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related What are your views? Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY? How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you follow him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please explain... Regards Chandu2Chill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Dear nanna ji, I am not watching the video link given by you, for I value my every minute and put it to good use.. I would not like to spend my time in absorbing or developing anything negative to my nature, culture or characteristics. But let me answer you about following Osho. we must always try to take the positives in a person if we want to read more of him or like him due to his good qualities. The negatives must be given benefit of doubts and ignored. In Oshos case I know and believe that his comments and thinking and opinions must have certainly changed with his age advancing, with his experience advancing, and also with seperate and varied groups of audiences he must have addressed on numerous times of his Life. Therefore nothing strange if his views seem not becoming, because I knew he was opportunistic and also a good business man, just like we all are, in our own ways. In thsi world if one wishes success, then one needs to be diplomatic to changing audiences and has to keep their tastes and preferences in mind, when addressing them.. for instance I may perhaps by chance speak something detrimental about Western Astrology in this forum with an Indian audience,but if I had to address a Western audience I would dare not talk against western Astrology. This is a bitter truth and we must accept the same... regards, Bhaskar. , " CP " <nanna_id2006 wrote: > > Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm, > > I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views and comments on this and most importantly from Astology and Astrologer's perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to him (as he says in this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and Astrology becomes just a Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me. > > Here's the link > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related > > What are your views? > > Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY? > > How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you follow him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please explain... > > Regards > > Chandu2Chill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Dear Chandu ji,In any case, OSHO was not a role model for our society! Social norms and institutions like marriage have been changing with time. Right and wrong have been convertible terms, dependant upon popular opinion. OSHO operated on a very primordial level and advocated freedom from social and religious dogmas. A normal person, however, is conditioned by his culture and societal norms and finds it difficult to break the social barriers even though he may wish to. Even now, It is difficult for a young man in India to marry a widow! All because of social ills and taboos. There are many tribes where inherently people live in free societies like the one OSHO talks about. They will, obviously, not get scandalised by his comments. Ultimately it is about our inner happiness. Is the speeding city bred, so-called modern civilized man, any happier than the primitive tribal! We all carry the poisoned and mortal wound of our civilized world! Height of individualism is enshrined by the liberated and self-reliant Digambar Jain Munis. They are reverred for what they've accomplished, but bound by social norms, we can not follow their footsteps! Regards Neelam2010/1/12 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Dear nanna ji, I am not watching the video link given by you, for I value my every minute and put it to good use.. I would not like to spend my time in absorbing or developing anything negative to my nature, culture or characteristics. But let me answer you about following Osho. we must always try to take the positives in a person if we want to read more of him or like him due to his good qualities. The negatives must be given benefit of doubts and ignored. In Oshos case I know and believe that his comments and thinking and opinions must have certainly changed with his age advancing, with his experience advancing, and also with seperate and varied groups of audiences he must have addressed on numerous times of his Life. Therefore nothing strange if his views seem not becoming, because I knew he was opportunistic and also a good business man, just like we all are, in our own ways. In thsi world if one wishes success, then one needs to be diplomatic to changing audiences and has to keep their tastes and preferences in mind, when addressing them.. for instance I may perhaps by chance speak something detrimental about Western Astrology in this forum with an Indian audience,but if I had to address a Western audience I would dare not talk against western Astrology. This is a bitter truth and we must accept the same... regards, Bhaskar. , " CP " <nanna_id2006 wrote: > > Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm, > > I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views and comments on this and most importantly from Astology and Astrologer's perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to him (as he says in this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and Astrology becomes just a Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me. > > Here's the link > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related > > What are your views? > > Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY? > > How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you follow him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please explain... > > Regards > > Chandu2Chill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Dear Bhaskar ji; true; If anybody is interested in studying osho. he/she must of all read his ''notes of a madman''. Regards Kulbir Bains. neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 8:48 pm Re: Re: OSHO: Marriage and Children Dear Chandu ji, In any case, OSHO was not a role model for our society! Social norms and institutions like marriage have been changing with time. Right and wrong have been convertible terms, dependant upon popular opinion. OSHO operated on a very primordial level and advocated freedom from social and religious dogmas. A normal person, however, is conditioned by his culture and societal norms and finds it difficult to break the social barriers even though he may wish to. Even now, It is difficult for a young man in India to marry a widow! All because of social ills and taboos. There are many tribes where inherently people live in free societies like the one OSHO talks about. They will, obviously, not get scandalised by his comments. Ultimately it is about our inner happiness. Is the speeding city bred, so-called modern civilized man, any happier than the primitive tribal! We all carry the poisoned and mortal wound of our civilized world! Height of individualism is enshrined by the liberated and self-reliant Digambar Jain Munis. They are reverred for what they've accomplished, but bound by social norms, we can not follow their footsteps! Regards Neelam 2010/1/12 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> Dear nanna ji, I am not watching the video link given by you, for I value my every minute and put it to good use.. I would not like to spend my time in absorbing or developing anything negative to my nature, culture or characteristics. But let me answer you about following Osho. we must always try to take the positives in a person if we want to read more of him or like him due to his good qualities. The negatives must be given benefit of doubts and ignored. In Oshos case I know and believe that his comments and thinking and opinions must have certainly changed with his age advancing, with his experience advancing, and also with seperate and varied groups of audiences he must have addressed on numerous times of his Life. Therefore nothing strange if his views seem not becoming, because I knew he was opportunistic and also a good business man, just like we all are, in our own ways. In thsi world if one wishes success, then one needs to be diplomatic to changing audiences and has to keep their tastes and preferences in mind, when addressing them.. for instance I may perhaps by chance speak something detrimental about Western Astrology in this forum with an Indian audience,but if I had to address a Western audience I would dare not talk against western Astrology. This is a bitter truth and we must accept the same... regards, Bhaskar. , "CP" <nanna_id2006 wrote: > > Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm, > > I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views and comments on this and most importantly from Astology and Astrologer's perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to him (as he says in this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and Astrology becomes just a Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me. > > Here's the link > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related > > What are your views? > > Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY? > > How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you follow him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please explain... > > Regards > > Chandu2Chill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Dear Chandu2Chill, Let me put some thing...untill you study more...you can not conclude anything before..... --Study more and after that you may realize below points --He was saying 'No Job' for so called Astrologers and 'More Job' to become Astrologer who knows divine science --He never against 'Real values' which are at center point for system to deliver --Any system can not deliver 'real values' at end we can drop and create new system (at least at personal level) but essence is at end that must deliver 'Real Values' --He was not against 'Marriage' that was indeed very good system --Take time and study more with above inputs ------------------ Regards, Devisingh CP wrote: Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm, I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views and comments on this and most importantly from Astology and Astrologer's perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to him (as he says in this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and Astrology becomes just a Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me. Here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related What are your views? Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY? How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you follow him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please explain... Regards Chandu2Chill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Dear Kulbir ji and All, This Madman calls himself, i just saw the cover page of the Notes of a Madman..as BHAGAWAN SHREE RAJANEESH... and in the video he says Bhagawan (GOD)is a rapist...No doubt He is a Controversial Character Anyways one dose not need to squeez the whole Rice in the cooking bowl whether the Rice has been cooked or not. I have seen and interacted on one to one bases with some of the Oshoiets personally long back.. It is common formula of this sick man and his followers to advise you to read his books.. read his A Book what he says there read his B book there what he says I have personally seen and observing What type of People He Attracts and attracted so far.. 90% of them are FAILED MEN and WOMEN in their personal lives even though they were and are quite successful in their professional life.. In my personal view OSHO is a FAILED MAN (i hope you have seen the video link again i am not asking you or anybody here to waste their precious and productive time i just put it here for discussion interested one) Just because he decided Not to marry, or his Chart does't support the marriage (just from astrological point of view) certainly he don't have the Moral Right to advocate there shouldn't any Marriage in the world at all...even he says eveybody who have married should get divorce May be as Neelam Ji pointed out this and many of his other teachings may fits well in some of the Western folks perhaps now-a-days in East as well, and some the lust and pleasure seeking mentally ill people. And he talks about (in the Video) Community and Children should be taken care by the community (in the broader perspective he does make a sense) But what is the Meaning of Community according to him? without the family and family values? Regards Chandu2Chill , Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji; true; > If anybody is interested in studying osho. he/she must of all read his ''notes of a madman''. > > > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 8:48 pm > Re: Re: OSHO: Marriage and Children > > > > > Dear Chandu ji, > > In any case, OSHO was not a role model for our society! Social norms and institutions like marriage have been changing with time. Right and wrong have been convertible terms, dependant upon popular opinion. OSHO operated on a very primordial level and advocated freedom from social and religious dogmas. A normal person, however, is conditioned by his culture and societal norms and finds it difficult to break the social barriers even though he may wish to. Even now, It is difficult for a young man in India to marry a widow! All because of social ills and taboos. There are many tribes where inherently people live in free societies like the one OSHO talks about. They will, obviously, not get scandalised by his comments. Ultimately it is about our inner happiness. Is the speeding city bred, so-called modern civilized man, any happier than the primitive tribal! We all carry the poisoned and mortal wound of our civilized world! > > Height of individualism is enshrined by the liberated and self-reliant Digambar Jain Munis. They are reverred for what they've accomplished, but bound by social norms, we can not follow their footsteps! > > Regards > Neelam > > > > > 2010/1/12 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > > > Dear nanna ji, > > I am not watching the video link given by you, for I value my every minute and put it to good use.. I would not like to spend my time in absorbing or developing anything negative to my nature, culture or characteristics. > > But let me answer you about following Osho. we must always try to take the positives in a person if we want to read more of him or like him due to his good qualities. The negatives must be given benefit of doubts and ignored. In Oshos case I know and believe that his comments and thinking and opinions must have certainly changed with his age advancing, with his experience advancing, and also with seperate and varied groups of audiences he must have addressed on numerous times of his Life. Therefore nothing strange if his views seem not becoming, because I knew he was opportunistic and also a good business man, just like we all are, in our own ways. In thsi world if one wishes success, then one needs to be diplomatic to changing audiences and has to keep their tastes and preferences in mind, when addressing them.. for instance I may perhaps by chance speak something detrimental about Western Astrology in this forum with an Indian audience,but if I had to address a Western audience I would dare not talk against western Astrology. This is a bitter truth and we must accept the same... > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , " CP " <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm, > > > > I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views and comments on this and most importantly from Astology and Astrologer's perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to him (as he says in this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and Astrology becomes just a Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me. > > > > Here's the link > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related > > > > What are your views? > > > > Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY? > > > > How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you follow him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please explain... > > > > Regards > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Dear Chandu 2 Chill, Chill man.. Chodo kal ki baatein. kal ki baat poorani. naye daur se likhhenge hum milkar nayi kahaani.. Osho good or bad, but I love him for his smartness, for his charishma to attract the foreigners, for his charm to make these whiteskinned people his followers, which is by no means an easy task. He had the parephnarlia to creat a euphoria in America, so much so that he was considered as a dangerous man.. And that man coming from India...Great. yaar hamaare yahan ka villian bhi agar foreign mein jakar kuch naam kamayee toh hame accha lagta hai. And this guy was no villian but had the glib garb of the tongue and knew what to talk when. He was not a rapist nor a murderer. He fooled nobody. One was free to accept him or not. No forceful conversions like the missionaries or the extremist relgions do or indulge in. I am not eugolising him, but mentioning that if we overlook and ignore the negatives in his character,then there is much beauty and adventure in his Life. regards/Bhaskar. , " CP " <nanna_id2006 wrote: > > Dear Kulbir ji and All, > > This Madman calls himself, i just saw the cover page of the Notes of a Madman..as BHAGAWAN SHREE RAJANEESH... and in the video he says Bhagawan (GOD)is a rapist...No doubt He is a Controversial Character > > Anyways one dose not need to squeez the whole Rice in the cooking bowl whether the Rice has been cooked or not. I have seen and interacted on one to one bases with some of the Oshoiets personally long back.. It is common formula of this sick man and his followers to advise you to read his books.. read his A Book what he says there read his B book there what he says > > I have personally seen and observing What type of People He Attracts and attracted so far.. 90% of them are FAILED MEN and WOMEN in their personal lives even though they were and are quite successful in their professional life.. > > In my personal view OSHO is a FAILED MAN (i hope you have seen the video link again i am not asking you or anybody here to waste their precious and productive time i just put it here for discussion interested one) > > Just because he decided Not to marry, or his Chart does't support the marriage (just from astrological point of view) certainly he don't have the Moral Right to advocate there shouldn't any Marriage in the world at all...even he says eveybody who have married should get divorce May be as Neelam Ji pointed out this and many of his other teachings may fits well in some of the Western folks perhaps now-a-days in East as well, and some the lust and pleasure seeking mentally ill people. > > And he talks about (in the Video) Community and Children should be taken care by the community (in the broader perspective he does make a sense) But what is the Meaning of Community according to him? without the family and family values? > > Regards > > Chandu2Chill > > , Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji; true; > > If anybody is interested in studying osho. he/she must of all read his ''notes of a madman''. > > > > > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 8:48 pm > > Re: Re: OSHO: Marriage and Children > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandu ji, > > > > In any case, OSHO was not a role model for our society! Social norms and institutions like marriage have been changing with time. Right and wrong have been convertible terms, dependant upon popular opinion. OSHO operated on a very primordial level and advocated freedom from social and religious dogmas. A normal person, however, is conditioned by his culture and societal norms and finds it difficult to break the social barriers even though he may wish to. Even now, It is difficult for a young man in India to marry a widow! All because of social ills and taboos. There are many tribes where inherently people live in free societies like the one OSHO talks about. They will, obviously, not get scandalised by his comments. Ultimately it is about our inner happiness. Is the speeding city bred, so-called modern civilized man, any happier than the primitive tribal! We all carry the poisoned and mortal wound of our civilized world! > > > > Height of individualism is enshrined by the liberated and self-reliant Digambar Jain Munis. They are reverred for what they've accomplished, but bound by social norms, we can not follow their footsteps! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2010/1/12 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > Dear nanna ji, > > > > I am not watching the video link given by you, for I value my every minute and put it to good use.. I would not like to spend my time in absorbing or developing anything negative to my nature, culture or characteristics. > > > > But let me answer you about following Osho. we must always try to take the positives in a person if we want to read more of him or like him due to his good qualities. The negatives must be given benefit of doubts and ignored. In Oshos case I know and believe that his comments and thinking and opinions must have certainly changed with his age advancing, with his experience advancing, and also with seperate and varied groups of audiences he must have addressed on numerous times of his Life. Therefore nothing strange if his views seem not becoming, because I knew he was opportunistic and also a good business man, just like we all are, in our own ways. In thsi world if one wishes success, then one needs to be diplomatic to changing audiences and has to keep their tastes and preferences in mind, when addressing them.. for instance I may perhaps by chance speak something detrimental about Western Astrology in this forum with an Indian audience,but if I had to address a Western audience I would dare not talk against western Astrology. This is a bitter truth and we must accept the same... > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " CP " <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm, > > > > > > I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views and comments on this and most importantly from Astology and Astrologer's perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to him (as he says in this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and Astrology becomes just a Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me. > > > > > > Here's the link > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related > > > > > > What are your views? > > > > > > Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY? > > > > > > How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you follow him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please explain... > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Dear Chandu2Chill, Let me clear something --I am not follower of osho --You are 100% correct from what you are saying i am not denying anything from that. --I do not want to write any more (and suffer others) though i have answer for all of your questions and future questions as well --I am sorry if follower are suggesting 'read his books' I want to add that 'Beside anything' and all,I am able to seek out that 'Truth is there' --please do not take anything personally ------------------ Regards, Devisingh CP wrote: Dear Kulbir ji and All, This Madman calls himself, i just saw the cover page of the Notes of a Madman..as BHAGAWAN SHREE RAJANEESH... and in the video he says Bhagawan (GOD)is a rapist...No doubt He is a Controversial Character Anyways one dose not need to squeez the whole Rice in the cooking bowl whether the Rice has been cooked or not. I have seen and interacted on one to one bases with some of the Oshoiets personally long back.. It is common formula of this sick man and his followers to advise you to read his books.. read his A Book what he says there read his B book there what he says I have personally seen and observing What type of People He Attracts and attracted so far.. 90% of them are FAILED MEN and WOMEN in their personal lives even though they were and are quite successful in their professional life.. In my personal view OSHO is a FAILED MAN (i hope you have seen the video link again i am not asking you or anybody here to waste their precious and productive time i just put it here for discussion interested one) Just because he decided Not to marry, or his Chart does't support the marriage (just from astrological point of view) certainly he don't have the Moral Right to advocate there shouldn't any Marriage in the world at all...even he says eveybody who have married should get divorce May be as Neelam Ji pointed out this and many of his other teachings may fits well in some of the Western folks perhaps now-a-days in East as well, and some the lust and pleasure seeking mentally ill people. And he talks about (in the Video) Community and Children should be taken care by the community (in the broader perspective he does make a sense) But what is the Meaning of Community according to him? without the family and family values? Regards Chandu2Chill , Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji; true; > If anybody is interested in studying osho. he/she must of all read his ''notes of a madman''. > > > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 8:48 pm > Re: Re: OSHO: Marriage and Children > > > > > Dear Chandu ji, > > In any case, OSHO was not a role model for our society! Social norms and institutions like marriage have been changing with time. Right and wrong have been convertible terms, dependant upon popular opinion. OSHO operated on a very primordial level and advocated freedom from social and religious dogmas. A normal person, however, is conditioned by his culture and societal norms and finds it difficult to break the social barriers even though he may wish to. Even now, It is difficult for a young man in India to marry a widow! All because of social ills and taboos. There are many tribes where inherently people live in free societies like the one OSHO talks about. They will, obviously, not get scandalised by his comments. Ultimately it is about our inner happiness. Is the speeding city bred, so-called modern civilized man, any happier than the primitive tribal! We all carry the poisoned and mortal wound of our civilized world! > > Height of individualism is enshrined by the liberated and self-reliant Digambar Jain Munis. They are reverred for what they've accomplished, but bound by social norms, we can not follow their footsteps! > > Regards > Neelam > > > > > 2010/1/12 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > > > Dear nanna ji, > > I am not watching the video link given by you, for I value my every minute and put it to good use.. I would not like to spend my time in absorbing or developing anything negative to my nature, culture or characteristics. > > But let me answer you about following Osho. we must always try to take the positives in a person if we want to read more of him or like him due to his good qualities. The negatives must be given benefit of doubts and ignored. In Oshos case I know and believe that his comments and thinking and opinions must have certainly changed with his age advancing, with his experience advancing, and also with seperate and varied groups of audiences he must have addressed on numerous times of his Life. Therefore nothing strange if his views seem not becoming, because I knew he was opportunistic and also a good business man, just like we all are, in our own ways. In thsi world if one wishes success, then one needs to be diplomatic to changing audiences and has to keep their tastes and preferences in mind, when addressing them.. for instance I may perhaps by chance speak something detrimental about Western Astrology in this forum with an Indian audience,but if I had to address a Western audience I would dare not talk against western Astrology. This is a bitter truth and we must accept the same... > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , "CP" <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm, > > > > I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views and comments on this and most importantly from Astology and Astrologer's perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to him (as he says in this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and Astrology becomes just a Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me. > > > > Here's the link > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related > > > > What are your views? > > > > Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY? > > > > How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you follow him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please explain... > > > > Regards > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 A simple rule to follow while dealing with all is - Joh accha lage use apna lo, Joh boora lage use jaane do... best wishes, Bhaskar. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Chandu 2 Chill,> > Chill man..> Chodo kal ki baatein. kal ki baat poorani. naye daur se likhhenge hum milkar nayi kahaani..> > Osho good or bad, but I love him for his smartness, for his charishma to attract the foreigners, for his charm to make these whiteskinned people his followers, which is by no means an easy task. > He had the parephnarlia to creat a euphoria in America, so much so that he was considered as a dangerous man..> > And that man coming from India...Great.> > yaar hamaare yahan ka villian bhi agar foreign mein jakar kuch naam kamayee toh hame accha lagta hai. And this guy was no villian but had the glib garb of the tongue and knew what to talk when. He was not a rapist nor a murderer. He fooled nobody. One was free to accept him or not. No forceful conversions like the missionaries or the extremist relgions do or indulge in. > > I am not eugolising him, but mentioning that if we overlook and ignore the negatives in his character,then there is much beauty and > adventure in his Life.> > regards/Bhaskar.> > , "CP" nanna_id2006@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir ji and All,> > > > This Madman calls himself, i just saw the cover page of the Notes of a Madman..as BHAGAWAN SHREE RAJANEESH... and in the video he says Bhagawan (GOD)is a rapist...No doubt He is a Controversial Character> > > > Anyways one dose not need to squeez the whole Rice in the cooking bowl whether the Rice has been cooked or not. I have seen and interacted on one to one bases with some of the Oshoiets personally long back.. It is common formula of this sick man and his followers to advise you to read his books.. read his A Book what he says there read his B book there what he says> > > > I have personally seen and observing What type of People He Attracts and attracted so far.. 90% of them are FAILED MEN and WOMEN in their personal lives even though they were and are quite successful in their professional life.. > > > > In my personal view OSHO is a FAILED MAN (i hope you have seen the video link again i am not asking you or anybody here to waste their precious and productive time i just put it here for discussion interested one) > > > > Just because he decided Not to marry, or his Chart does't support the marriage (just from astrological point of view) certainly he don't have the Moral Right to advocate there shouldn't any Marriage in the world at all...even he says eveybody who have married should get divorce May be as Neelam Ji pointed out this and many of his other teachings may fits well in some of the Western folks perhaps now-a-days in East as well, and some the lust and pleasure seeking mentally ill people.> > > > And he talks about (in the Video) Community and Children should be taken care by the community (in the broader perspective he does make a sense) But what is the Meaning of Community according to him? without the family and family values? > > > > Regards> > > > Chandu2Chill> > > > , Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji; true;> > > If anybody is interested in studying osho. he/she must of all read his ''notes of a madman''.> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>> > > > > > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 8:48 pm> > > Re: Re: OSHO: Marriage and Children> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,> > > > > > In any case, OSHO was not a role model for our society! Social norms and institutions like marriage have been changing with time. Right and wrong have been convertible terms, dependant upon popular opinion. OSHO operated on a very primordial level and advocated freedom from social and religious dogmas. A normal person, however, is conditioned by his culture and societal norms and finds it difficult to break the social barriers even though he may wish to. Even now, It is difficult for a young man in India to marry a widow! All because of social ills and taboos. There are many tribes where inherently people live in free societies like the one OSHO talks about. They will, obviously, not get scandalised by his comments. Ultimately it is about our inner happiness. Is the speeding city bred, so-called modern civilized man, any happier than the primitive tribal! We all carry the poisoned and mortal wound of our civilized world! > > > > > > Height of individualism is enshrined by the liberated and self-reliant Digambar Jain Munis. They are reverred for what they've accomplished, but bound by social norms, we can not follow their footsteps! > > > > > > Regards> > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/1/12 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear nanna ji,> > > > > > I am not watching the video link given by you, for I value my every minute and put it to good use.. I would not like to spend my time in absorbing or developing anything negative to my nature, culture or characteristics. > > > > > > But let me answer you about following Osho. we must always try to take the positives in a person if we want to read more of him or like him due to his good qualities. The negatives must be given benefit of doubts and ignored. In Oshos case I know and believe that his comments and thinking and opinions must have certainly changed with his age advancing, with his experience advancing, and also with seperate and varied groups of audiences he must have addressed on numerous times of his Life. Therefore nothing strange if his views seem not becoming, because I knew he was opportunistic and also a good business man, just like we all are, in our own ways. In thsi world if one wishes success, then one needs to be diplomatic to changing audiences and has to keep their tastes and preferences in mind, when addressing them.. for instance I may perhaps by chance speak something detrimental about Western Astrology in this forum with an Indian audience,but if I had to address a Western audience I would dare not talk against western Astrology. This is a bitter truth and we must accept the same...> > > > > > regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > , "CP" <nanna_id2006@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm,> > > > > > > > I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views and comments on this and most importantly from Astology and Astrologer's perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to him (as he says in this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and Astrology becomes just a Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me.> > > > > > > > Here's the link> > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related> > > > > > > > What are your views?> > > > > > > > Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY?> > > > > > > > How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you follow him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please explain...> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Dear Chandu 2 Chill ji, // In my personal view OSHO is a FAILED MAN // But in my view he is a SUCCESSFUL MAN. Because he had the best of money, cars, women, luxuries, and big industrialists, Wealthy foreigners ready to touch his feet and receive his blessings. He had the charishma of both Power, Money and personal attraction with a dictum and command over the English language and subjects he spoke about. If I had so much money, a fleet of cars, all women (Beautiful ones), and big men around me, and ready to do my bidding , would I not be considered as Great ? Yes. But the definition of one being " successful " and a " failure " is a relative term subject to a seperate set of people eyeing a particular object. To a middle class man happy with his family who has a wife loving him , Rajneesh may not be a successful person. In that case neither " Prabhupada " nor " Tulsidasa " nor " Meerabai " , nor " Buddha " nor even " Lord Rama " were successful in being happy as being family men. But they were utmost successul in other areas. From a materialistic point of view Osho was utmost successful. But from a spiritual point of view maybe just his arudha was strong, but not his real Self. But then who are we to judge who is what ? But we are talking only what was apparently viewable to all. In same way the former characters whom I mentioned may not have been succcessful householders, but were greatly successful as Spiritual Giants. But let me be honest. I would not be considered successful by talking sweetly and nicely and humbly and about God, in this world, if I have no money in my pockets. But if I have a good bank balance, costly cars, beautiful women-great wealth and luxuries around me, then this is what is called as being Successful. Therefore let us not be hypocrites in our utterances. Try inviting the media, press, film actors actresses and the best Models and Top Brass of Indian elite society, by writing " Namaste " on your invitation Card and calling them to your humble abode in a dilapitated old bungalow of your which you have rented for the purpose. And nobody will come. But write " Hey Buddy, you are invited to my party on my Boat tonight where you will enjoy the best of whisky, women and food " and if You sign it as Vijay Mallya , then just check how many will clamour for even a short glimpse of the party. This is being known as " Successful " in todays world. A true fact. And nothing wrong in this. In this world of Maya, one needs " Maya " by his side. So do I. and so do you, whether you accept it or not... best wishes, Bhaskar.. , " CP " <nanna_id2006 wrote: > > Dear Kulbir ji and All, > > This Madman calls himself, i just saw the cover page of the Notes of a Madman..as BHAGAWAN SHREE RAJANEESH... and in the video he says Bhagawan (GOD)is a rapist...No doubt He is a Controversial Character > > Anyways one dose not need to squeez the whole Rice in the cooking bowl whether the Rice has been cooked or not. I have seen and interacted on one to one bases with some of the Oshoiets personally long back.. It is common formula of this sick man and his followers to advise you to read his books.. read his A Book what he says there read his B book there what he says > > I have personally seen and observing What type of People He Attracts and attracted so far.. 90% of them are FAILED MEN and WOMEN in their personal lives even though they were and are quite successful in their professional life.. > > In my personal view OSHO is a FAILED MAN (i hope you have seen the video link again i am not asking you or anybody here to waste their precious and productive time i just put it here for discussion interested one) > > Just because he decided Not to marry, or his Chart does't support the marriage (just from astrological point of view) certainly he don't have the Moral Right to advocate there shouldn't any Marriage in the world at all...even he says eveybody who have married should get divorce May be as Neelam Ji pointed out this and many of his other teachings may fits well in some of the Western folks perhaps now-a-days in East as well, and some the lust and pleasure seeking mentally ill people. > > And he talks about (in the Video) Community and Children should be taken care by the community (in the broader perspective he does make a sense) But what is the Meaning of Community according to him? without the family and family values? > > Regards > > Chandu2Chill > > , Kulbir Bains kulbirbains@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji; true; > > If anybody is interested in studying osho. he/she must of all read his ''notes of a madman''. > > > > > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 8:48 pm > > Re: Re: OSHO: Marriage and Children > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandu ji, > > > > In any case, OSHO was not a role model for our society! Social norms and institutions like marriage have been changing with time. Right and wrong have been convertible terms, dependant upon popular opinion. OSHO operated on a very primordial level and advocated freedom from social and religious dogmas. A normal person, however, is conditioned by his culture and societal norms and finds it difficult to break the social barriers even though he may wish to. Even now, It is difficult for a young man in India to marry a widow! All because of social ills and taboos. There are many tribes where inherently people live in free societies like the one OSHO talks about. They will, obviously, not get scandalised by his comments. Ultimately it is about our inner happiness. Is the speeding city bred, so-called modern civilized man, any happier than the primitive tribal! We all carry the poisoned and mortal wound of our civilized world! > > > > Height of individualism is enshrined by the liberated and self-reliant Digambar Jain Munis. They are reverred for what they've accomplished, but bound by social norms, we can not follow their footsteps! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2010/1/12 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > > > Dear nanna ji, > > > > I am not watching the video link given by you, for I value my every minute and put it to good use.. I would not like to spend my time in absorbing or developing anything negative to my nature, culture or characteristics. > > > > But let me answer you about following Osho. we must always try to take the positives in a person if we want to read more of him or like him due to his good qualities. The negatives must be given benefit of doubts and ignored. In Oshos case I know and believe that his comments and thinking and opinions must have certainly changed with his age advancing, with his experience advancing, and also with seperate and varied groups of audiences he must have addressed on numerous times of his Life. Therefore nothing strange if his views seem not becoming, because I knew he was opportunistic and also a good business man, just like we all are, in our own ways. In thsi world if one wishes success, then one needs to be diplomatic to changing audiences and has to keep their tastes and preferences in mind, when addressing them.. for instance I may perhaps by chance speak something detrimental about Western Astrology in this forum with an Indian audience,but if I had to address a Western audience I would dare not talk against western Astrology. This is a bitter truth and we must accept the same... > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " CP " <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm, > > > > > > I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views and comments on this and most importantly from Astology and Astrologer's perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to him (as he says in this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and Astrology becomes just a Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me. > > > > > > Here's the link > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related > > > > > > What are your views? > > > > > > Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY? > > > > > > How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you follow him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please explain... > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Respected members, Osho advocated certain issues which we find atrocious to accept.Osho was much ahead of his times and talked in a language which is very different in our limited understanding. It is easy to comment on people, it would be easier to note and understand his perspective from his shoes. His understanding and explanations on various subject, including astrology and man-woman relation is different, not simply what we would like to infer. Please go through his creations " And the flowers showered " , and his versions to meditations also. Osho has been mis-understood. regards Rumki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Dear Rukmi ji; Once a learned scholsr advised me ; whenever you start reading a book, tear and throw the pages in starting that give introduction about the author. when one reads a book knowing that the article/book has been written by osho, the opinion is totally different from that if the authorship is not known. Regards Kulbir Bains. On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:05 PM, rumki <rumki64 wrote: Respected members,Osho advocated certain issues which we find atrocious to accept.Osho was much ahead of his times and talked in a language which is very different in our limited understanding. It is easy to comment on people, it would be easier to note and understand his perspective from his shoes. His understanding and explanations on various subject, including astrology and man-woman relation is different, not simply what we would like to infer. Please go through his creations " And the flowers showered " , and his versions to meditations also. Osho has been mis-understood. regardsRumki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Dear Rumki JI, //talked in a language which is very different// --I want to add that he has talked in very simple and local language which generally peoples are speaking //Osho has been mis-understood// --It has to be no wonder,there is time for every season,it is seed which is very important. I personally feels not to advocate any-one for Osho,It is quite possible he will get what he want and not that what is supposed to come. ------------------ Regards, Devisingh rumki wrote: Respected members, Osho advocated certain issues which we find atrocious to accept.Osho was much ahead of his times and talked in a language which is very different in our limited understanding. It is easy to comment on people, it would be easier to note and understand his perspective from his shoes. His understanding and explanations on various subject, including astrology and man-woman relation is different, not simply what we would like to infer. Please go through his creations "And the flowers showered", and his versions to meditations also. Osho has been mis-understood. regards Rumki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Bhaiyon aur ladies (Not baheno) In a Restaurant all the dishes served may not be good or tasty or delicious. You Order for those which you know are good and enjoy them. baaki chodo na. Agar Hotel hi pasand nahin toh us galli mein hi mat jao na Bhai.Joh pasand hai usme jao na. Koi nahin rokta apne ko. Same way for osho. Read the his books which you like. Among the books you read, the chapters which you do not savour, just flip those pages away. And if You dont like Osho, then dont read his books at all. In case you like someone else then talk about the other someone else. magar mare hue aadmi ke baare hum jinde log aapas mein kyun itna bahaas kar frahen hain. Kya apne paas koi aur kaam nahin hai ? regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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