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Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm,

 

I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views and

comments on this and most importantly from Astology and Astrologer's

perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to him (as he says in

this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and Astrology becomes just a

Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me.

 

Here's the link

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related

 

What are your views?

 

Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our Ancient

values? and very social fabric called FAMILY?

 

How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you follow

him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please explain...

 

Regards

 

Chandu2Chill

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Dear nanna ji,

 

I am not watching the video link given by you, for I value my every minute and

put it to good use.. I would not like to spend my time in absorbing or

developing anything negative to my nature, culture or characteristics.

 

But let me answer you about following Osho. we must always try to take the

positives in a person if we want to read more of him or like him due to his good

qualities. The negatives must be given benefit of doubts and ignored. In Oshos

case I know and believe that his comments and thinking and opinions must have

certainly changed with his age advancing, with his experience advancing, and

also with seperate and varied groups of audiences he must have addressed on

numerous times of his Life. Therefore nothing strange if his views seem not

becoming, because I knew he was opportunistic and also a good business man, just

like we all are, in our own ways. In thsi world if one wishes success, then one

needs to be diplomatic to changing audiences and has to keep their tastes and

preferences in mind, when addressing them.. for instance I may perhaps by chance

speak something detrimental about Western Astrology in this forum with an Indian

audience,but if I had to address a Western audience I would dare not talk

against western Astrology. This is a bitter truth and we must accept the same...

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " CP " <nanna_id2006 wrote:

>

> Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm,

>

> I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views and

comments on this and most importantly from Astology and Astrologer's

perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to him (as he says in

this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and Astrology becomes just a

Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me.

>

> Here's the link

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related

>

> What are your views?

>

> Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our

Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY?

>

> How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you follow

him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please explain...

>

> Regards

>

> Chandu2Chill

>

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Dear Chandu ji,In any case, OSHO was not a role model for our society! Social norms and institutions like marriage have been changing with time. Right and wrong have been convertible terms, dependant upon popular opinion. OSHO operated on a very primordial level and advocated freedom from social and religious dogmas. A normal person, however, is conditioned by his culture and societal norms and finds it difficult to break the social barriers even though he may wish to. Even now, It is difficult for a young man in India to marry a widow! All because of social ills and taboos. There are many tribes where inherently people live in free societies like the one OSHO talks about. They will, obviously, not get scandalised by his comments. Ultimately it is about our inner happiness. Is the speeding city bred, so-called modern civilized man, any happier than the primitive tribal! We all carry the poisoned and mortal wound of our civilized world!

Height of individualism is enshrined by the liberated and self-reliant Digambar Jain Munis. They are reverred for what they've accomplished, but bound by social norms, we can not follow their footsteps! Regards

Neelam2010/1/12 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

 

 

 

 

 

Dear nanna ji,

 

I am not watching the video link given by you, for I value my every minute and put it to good use.. I would not like to spend my time in absorbing or developing anything negative to my nature, culture or characteristics.

 

But let me answer you about following Osho. we must always try to take the positives in a person if we want to read more of him or like him due to his good qualities. The negatives must be given benefit of doubts and ignored. In Oshos case I know and believe that his comments and thinking and opinions must have certainly changed with his age advancing, with his experience advancing, and also with seperate and varied groups of audiences he must have addressed on numerous times of his Life. Therefore nothing strange if his views seem not becoming, because I knew he was opportunistic and also a good business man, just like we all are, in our own ways. In thsi world if one wishes success, then one needs to be diplomatic to changing audiences and has to keep their tastes and preferences in mind, when addressing them.. for instance I may perhaps by chance speak something detrimental about Western Astrology in this forum with an Indian audience,but if I had to address a Western audience I would dare not talk against western Astrology. This is a bitter truth and we must accept the same...

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

, " CP " <nanna_id2006 wrote:

>

> Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm,

>

> I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views and comments on this and most importantly from Astology and Astrologer's perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to him (as he says in this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and Astrology becomes just a Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me.

>

> Here's the link

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related

>

> What are your views?

>

> Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY?

>

> How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you follow him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please explain...

>

> Regards

>

> Chandu2Chill

>

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Dear Bhaskar ji; true;

If anybody is interested in studying osho. he/she must of all read his ''notes of a madman''.

 

 

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

 

 

 

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

 

Mon, 11 Jan 2010 8:48 pm

Re: Re: OSHO: Marriage and Children

 

 

 

Dear Chandu ji,

 

In any case, OSHO was not a role model for our society! Social norms and institutions like marriage have been changing with time. Right and wrong have been convertible terms, dependant upon popular opinion. OSHO operated on a very primordial level and advocated freedom from social and religious dogmas. A normal person, however, is conditioned by his culture and societal norms and finds it difficult to break the social barriers even though he may wish to. Even now, It is difficult for a young man in India to marry a widow! All because of social ills and taboos. There are many tribes where inherently people live in free societies like the one OSHO talks about. They will, obviously, not get scandalised by his comments. Ultimately it is about our inner happiness. Is the speeding city bred, so-called modern civilized man, any happier than the primitive tribal! We all carry the poisoned and mortal wound of our civilized world!

 

Height of individualism is enshrined by the liberated and self-reliant Digambar Jain Munis. They are reverred for what they've accomplished, but bound by social norms, we can not follow their footsteps!

 

Regards

Neelam

 

 

 

2010/1/12 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in>

 

 

 

Dear nanna ji,

 

I am not watching the video link given by you, for I value my every minute and put it to good use.. I would not like to spend my time in absorbing or developing anything negative to my nature, culture or characteristics.

 

But let me answer you about following Osho. we must always try to take the positives in a person if we want to read more of him or like him due to his good qualities. The negatives must be given benefit of doubts and ignored. In Oshos case I know and believe that his comments and thinking and opinions must have certainly changed with his age advancing, with his experience advancing, and also with seperate and varied groups of audiences he must have addressed on numerous times of his Life. Therefore nothing strange if his views seem not becoming, because I knew he was opportunistic and also a good business man, just like we all are, in our own ways. In thsi world if one wishes success, then one needs to be diplomatic to changing audiences and has to keep their tastes and preferences in mind, when addressing them.. for instance I may perhaps by chance speak something detrimental about Western Astrology in this forum with an Indian audience,but if I had to address a Western audience I would dare not talk against western Astrology. This is a bitter truth and we must accept the same...

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "CP" <nanna_id2006 wrote:

>

> Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm,

>

> I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views and comments on this and most importantly from Astology and Astrologer's perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to him (as he says in this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and Astrology becomes just a Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me.

>

> Here's the link

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related

>

> What are your views?

>

> Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY?

>

> How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you follow him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please explain...

>

> Regards

>

> Chandu2Chill

>

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Dear Chandu2Chill,

 

Let me put some thing...untill you study more...you can not conclude

anything before.....

--Study more and after that you may realize below points

--He was saying 'No Job' for so called Astrologers and 'More Job' to

become Astrologer who knows divine science

--He never against 'Real values' which are at center point for system

to deliver

--Any system can not deliver 'real values' at end we can drop and

create new system (at least at personal level) but essence is at end

that must deliver 'Real Values'

--He was not against 'Marriage' that was indeed very good system

 

--Take time and study more with above inputs

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

CP wrote:

 

 

Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm,

 

I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views

and comments on this and most importantly from Astology and

Astrologer's perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to

him (as he says in this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and

Astrology becomes just a Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to

me.

 

Here's the link

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related

 

What are your views?

 

Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our

Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY?

 

How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you

follow him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please

explain...

 

Regards

 

Chandu2Chill

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Dear Kulbir ji and All,

 

This Madman calls himself, i just saw the cover page of the Notes of a

Madman..as BHAGAWAN SHREE RAJANEESH... and in the video he says Bhagawan (GOD)is

a rapist...No doubt He is a Controversial Character

 

Anyways one dose not need to squeez the whole Rice in the cooking bowl whether

the Rice has been cooked or not. I have seen and interacted on one to one bases

with some of the Oshoiets personally long back.. It is common formula of this

sick man and his followers to advise you to read his books.. read his A Book

what he says there read his B book there what he says

 

I have personally seen and observing What type of People He Attracts and

attracted so far.. 90% of them are FAILED MEN and WOMEN in their personal lives

even though they were and are quite successful in their professional life..

 

In my personal view OSHO is a FAILED MAN (i hope you have seen the video link

again i am not asking you or anybody here to waste their precious and productive

time i just put it here for discussion interested one)

 

Just because he decided Not to marry, or his Chart does't support the marriage

(just from astrological point of view) certainly he don't have the Moral Right

to advocate there shouldn't any Marriage in the world at all...even he says

eveybody who have married should get divorce May be as Neelam Ji pointed out

this and many of his other teachings may fits well in some of the Western folks

perhaps now-a-days in East as well, and some the lust and pleasure seeking

mentally ill people.

 

And he talks about (in the Video) Community and Children should be taken care by

the community (in the broader perspective he does make a sense) But what is the

Meaning of Community according to him? without the family and family values?

 

Regards

 

Chandu2Chill

 

, Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains

wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji; true;

> If anybody is interested in studying osho. he/she must of all read his ''notes

of a madman''.

>

>

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

>

> Mon, 11 Jan 2010 8:48 pm

> Re: Re: OSHO: Marriage and Children

>

>

>

>

> Dear Chandu ji,

>

> In any case, OSHO was not a role model for our society! Social norms and

institutions like marriage have been changing with time. Right and wrong have

been convertible terms, dependant upon popular opinion. OSHO operated on a very

primordial level and advocated freedom from social and religious dogmas. A

normal person, however, is conditioned by his culture and societal norms and

finds it difficult to break the social barriers even though he may wish to. Even

now, It is difficult for a young man in India to marry a widow! All because of

social ills and taboos. There are many tribes where inherently people live in

free societies like the one OSHO talks about. They will, obviously, not get

scandalised by his comments. Ultimately it is about our inner happiness. Is the

speeding city bred, so-called modern civilized man, any happier than the

primitive tribal! We all carry the poisoned and mortal wound of our civilized

world!

>

> Height of individualism is enshrined by the liberated and self-reliant

Digambar Jain Munis. They are reverred for what they've accomplished, but bound

by social norms, we can not follow their footsteps!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

>

> 2010/1/12 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

>

>

>

> Dear nanna ji,

>

> I am not watching the video link given by you, for I value my every minute and

put it to good use.. I would not like to spend my time in absorbing or

developing anything negative to my nature, culture or characteristics.

>

> But let me answer you about following Osho. we must always try to take the

positives in a person if we want to read more of him or like him due to his good

qualities. The negatives must be given benefit of doubts and ignored. In Oshos

case I know and believe that his comments and thinking and opinions must have

certainly changed with his age advancing, with his experience advancing, and

also with seperate and varied groups of audiences he must have addressed on

numerous times of his Life. Therefore nothing strange if his views seem not

becoming, because I knew he was opportunistic and also a good business man, just

like we all are, in our own ways. In thsi world if one wishes success, then one

needs to be diplomatic to changing audiences and has to keep their tastes and

preferences in mind, when addressing them.. for instance I may perhaps by chance

speak something detrimental about Western Astrology in this forum with an Indian

audience,but if I had to address a Western audience I would dare not talk

against western Astrology. This is a bitter truth and we must accept the same...

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> , " CP " <nanna_id2006@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm,

> >

> > I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views and

comments on this and most importantly from Astology and Astrologer's

perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to him (as he says in

this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and Astrology becomes just a

Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me.

> >

> > Here's the link

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related

> >

> > What are your views?

> >

> > Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our

Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY?

> >

> > How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you follow

him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please explain...

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Chandu2Chill

> >

>

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Dear Chandu 2 Chill,

 

Chill man..

Chodo kal ki baatein. kal ki baat poorani. naye daur se likhhenge hum milkar

nayi kahaani..

 

Osho good or bad, but I love him for his smartness, for his charishma to attract

the foreigners, for his charm to make these whiteskinned people his followers,

which is by no means an easy task.

He had the parephnarlia to creat a euphoria in America, so much so that he was

considered as a dangerous man..

 

And that man coming from India...Great.

 

yaar hamaare yahan ka villian bhi agar foreign mein jakar kuch naam kamayee toh

hame accha lagta hai. And this guy was no villian but had the glib garb of the

tongue and knew what to talk when. He was not a rapist nor a murderer. He fooled

nobody. One was free to accept him or not. No forceful conversions like the

missionaries or the extremist relgions do or indulge in.

 

I am not eugolising him, but mentioning that if we overlook and ignore the

negatives in his character,then there is much beauty and

adventure in his Life.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

, " CP " <nanna_id2006 wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir ji and All,

>

> This Madman calls himself, i just saw the cover page of the Notes of a

Madman..as BHAGAWAN SHREE RAJANEESH... and in the video he says Bhagawan (GOD)is

a rapist...No doubt He is a Controversial Character

>

> Anyways one dose not need to squeez the whole Rice in the cooking bowl whether

the Rice has been cooked or not. I have seen and interacted on one to one bases

with some of the Oshoiets personally long back.. It is common formula of this

sick man and his followers to advise you to read his books.. read his A Book

what he says there read his B book there what he says

>

> I have personally seen and observing What type of People He Attracts and

attracted so far.. 90% of them are FAILED MEN and WOMEN in their personal lives

even though they were and are quite successful in their professional life..

>

> In my personal view OSHO is a FAILED MAN (i hope you have seen the video link

again i am not asking you or anybody here to waste their precious and productive

time i just put it here for discussion interested one)

>

> Just because he decided Not to marry, or his Chart does't support the marriage

(just from astrological point of view) certainly he don't have the Moral Right

to advocate there shouldn't any Marriage in the world at all...even he says

eveybody who have married should get divorce May be as Neelam Ji pointed out

this and many of his other teachings may fits well in some of the Western folks

perhaps now-a-days in East as well, and some the lust and pleasure seeking

mentally ill people.

>

> And he talks about (in the Video) Community and Children should be taken care

by the community (in the broader perspective he does make a sense) But what is

the Meaning of Community according to him? without the family and family values?

>

> Regards

>

> Chandu2Chill

>

> , Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji; true;

> > If anybody is interested in studying osho. he/she must of all read his

''notes of a madman''.

> >

> >

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

> >

> > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 8:48 pm

> > Re: Re: OSHO: Marriage and Children

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Chandu ji,

> >

> > In any case, OSHO was not a role model for our society! Social norms and

institutions like marriage have been changing with time. Right and wrong have

been convertible terms, dependant upon popular opinion. OSHO operated on a very

primordial level and advocated freedom from social and religious dogmas. A

normal person, however, is conditioned by his culture and societal norms and

finds it difficult to break the social barriers even though he may wish to. Even

now, It is difficult for a young man in India to marry a widow! All because of

social ills and taboos. There are many tribes where inherently people live in

free societies like the one OSHO talks about. They will, obviously, not get

scandalised by his comments. Ultimately it is about our inner happiness. Is the

speeding city bred, so-called modern civilized man, any happier than the

primitive tribal! We all carry the poisoned and mortal wound of our civilized

world!

> >

> > Height of individualism is enshrined by the liberated and self-reliant

Digambar Jain Munis. They are reverred for what they've accomplished, but bound

by social norms, we can not follow their footsteps!

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 2010/1/12 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear nanna ji,

> >

> > I am not watching the video link given by you, for I value my every minute

and put it to good use.. I would not like to spend my time in absorbing or

developing anything negative to my nature, culture or characteristics.

> >

> > But let me answer you about following Osho. we must always try to take the

positives in a person if we want to read more of him or like him due to his good

qualities. The negatives must be given benefit of doubts and ignored. In Oshos

case I know and believe that his comments and thinking and opinions must have

certainly changed with his age advancing, with his experience advancing, and

also with seperate and varied groups of audiences he must have addressed on

numerous times of his Life. Therefore nothing strange if his views seem not

becoming, because I knew he was opportunistic and also a good business man, just

like we all are, in our own ways. In thsi world if one wishes success, then one

needs to be diplomatic to changing audiences and has to keep their tastes and

preferences in mind, when addressing them.. for instance I may perhaps by chance

speak something detrimental about Western Astrology in this forum with an Indian

audience,but if I had to address a Western audience I would dare not talk

against western Astrology. This is a bitter truth and we must accept the same...

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > , " CP " <nanna_id2006@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm,

> > >

> > > I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views and

comments on this and most importantly from Astology and Astrologer's

perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to him (as he says in

this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and Astrology becomes just a

Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me.

> > >

> > > Here's the link

> > >

> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related

> > >

> > > What are your views?

> > >

> > > Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our

Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY?

> > >

> > > How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you

follow him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please explain...

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Chandu2Chill

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Chandu2Chill,

 

Let me clear something

--I am not follower of osho

--You are 100% correct from what you are saying i am not denying

anything from that.

--I do not want to write any more (and suffer others) though i have

answer for all of your questions and future questions as well

--I am sorry if follower are suggesting 'read his books'

 

I want to add that 'Beside anything' and all,I am able to seek out that

'Truth is there'

 

--please do not take anything personally

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

CP wrote:

 

 

Dear Kulbir ji and All,

 

This Madman calls himself, i just saw the cover page of the Notes of a

Madman..as BHAGAWAN SHREE RAJANEESH... and in the video he says

Bhagawan (GOD)is a rapist...No doubt He is a Controversial Character

 

Anyways one dose not need to squeez the whole Rice in the cooking bowl

whether the Rice has been cooked or not. I have seen and interacted on

one to one bases with some of the Oshoiets personally long back.. It is

common formula of this sick man and his followers to advise you to read

his books.. read his A Book what he says there read his B book there

what he says

 

I have personally seen and observing What type of People He Attracts

and attracted so far.. 90% of them are FAILED MEN and WOMEN in their

personal lives even though they were and are quite successful in their

professional life..

 

In my personal view OSHO is a FAILED MAN (i hope you have seen the

video link again i am not asking you or anybody here to waste their

precious and productive time i just put it here for discussion

interested one)

 

Just because he decided Not to marry, or his Chart does't support the

marriage (just from astrological point of view) certainly he don't have

the Moral Right to advocate there shouldn't any Marriage in the world

at all...even he says eveybody who have married should get divorce May

be as Neelam Ji pointed out this and many of his other teachings may

fits well in some of the Western folks perhaps now-a-days in East as

well, and some the lust and pleasure seeking mentally ill people.

 

And he talks about (in the Video) Community and Children should be

taken care by the community (in the broader perspective he does make a

sense) But what is the Meaning of Community according to him? without

the family and family values?

 

Regards

 

Chandu2Chill

 

,

Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji; true;

> If anybody is interested in studying osho. he/she must of all read

his ''notes of a madman''.

>

>

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

>

> Mon, 11 Jan 2010 8:48 pm

> Re: Re: OSHO: Marriage

and Children

>

>

>

>

> Dear Chandu ji,

>

> In any case, OSHO was not a role model for our society! Social

norms and institutions like marriage have been changing with time.

Right and wrong have been convertible terms, dependant upon popular

opinion. OSHO operated on a very primordial level and advocated freedom

from social and religious dogmas. A normal person, however, is

conditioned by his culture and societal norms and finds it difficult to

break the social barriers even though he may wish to. Even now, It is

difficult for a young man in India to marry a widow! All because of

social ills and taboos. There are many tribes where inherently people

live in free societies like the one OSHO talks about. They will,

obviously, not get scandalised by his comments. Ultimately it is about

our inner happiness. Is the speeding city bred, so-called modern

civilized man, any happier than the primitive tribal! We all carry the

poisoned and mortal wound of our civilized world!

>

> Height of individualism is enshrined by the liberated and

self-reliant Digambar Jain Munis. They are reverred for what they've

accomplished, but bound by social norms, we can not follow their

footsteps!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

>

> 2010/1/12 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

>

>

>

> Dear nanna ji,

>

> I am not watching the video link given by you, for I value my

every minute and put it to good use.. I would not like to spend my time

in absorbing or developing anything negative to my nature, culture or

characteristics.

>

> But let me answer you about following Osho. we must always try to

take the positives in a person if we want to read more of him or like

him due to his good qualities. The negatives must be given benefit of

doubts and ignored. In Oshos case I know and believe that his comments

and thinking and opinions must have certainly changed with his age

advancing, with his experience advancing, and also with seperate and

varied groups of audiences he must have addressed on numerous times of

his Life. Therefore nothing strange if his views seem not becoming,

because I knew he was opportunistic and also a good business man, just

like we all are, in our own ways. In thsi world if one wishes success,

then one needs to be diplomatic to changing audiences and has to keep

their tastes and preferences in mind, when addressing them.. for

instance I may perhaps by chance speak something detrimental about

Western Astrology in this forum with an Indian audience,but if I had to

address a Western audience I would dare not talk against western

Astrology. This is a bitter truth and we must accept the same...

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> ,

"CP" <nanna_id2006@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm,

> >

> > I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know

your views and comments on this and most importantly from Astology and

Astrologer's perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to

him (as he says in this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and

Astrology becomes just a Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to

me.

> >

> > Here's the link

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related

> >

> > What are your views?

> >

> > Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking

against our Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY?

> >

> > How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here?

Why do you follow him? or what made you to follow him if you are

Married? Please explain...

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Chandu2Chill

> >

>

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A simple rule to follow while dealing with all is -

Joh accha lage use apna lo,

Joh boora lage use jaane do...

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Chandu 2 Chill,> > Chill man..> Chodo kal ki baatein. kal ki baat poorani. naye daur se likhhenge hum milkar nayi kahaani..> > Osho good or bad, but I love him for his smartness, for his charishma to attract the foreigners, for his charm to make these whiteskinned people his followers, which is by no means an easy task. > He had the parephnarlia to creat a euphoria in America, so much so that he was considered as a dangerous man..> > And that man coming from India...Great.> > yaar hamaare yahan ka villian bhi agar foreign mein jakar kuch naam kamayee toh hame accha lagta hai. And this guy was no villian but had the glib garb of the tongue and knew what to talk when. He was not a rapist nor a murderer. He fooled nobody. One was free to accept him or not. No forceful conversions like the missionaries or the extremist relgions do or indulge in. > > I am not eugolising him, but mentioning that if we overlook and ignore the negatives in his character,then there is much beauty and > adventure in his Life.> > regards/Bhaskar.> > , "CP" nanna_id2006@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir ji and All,> > > > This Madman calls himself, i just saw the cover page of the Notes of a Madman..as BHAGAWAN SHREE RAJANEESH... and in the video he says Bhagawan (GOD)is a rapist...No doubt He is a Controversial Character> > > > Anyways one dose not need to squeez the whole Rice in the cooking bowl whether the Rice has been cooked or not. I have seen and interacted on one to one bases with some of the Oshoiets personally long back.. It is common formula of this sick man and his followers to advise you to read his books.. read his A Book what he says there read his B book there what he says> > > > I have personally seen and observing What type of People He Attracts and attracted so far.. 90% of them are FAILED MEN and WOMEN in their personal lives even though they were and are quite successful in their professional life.. > > > > In my personal view OSHO is a FAILED MAN (i hope you have seen the video link again i am not asking you or anybody here to waste their precious and productive time i just put it here for discussion interested one) > > > > Just because he decided Not to marry, or his Chart does't support the marriage (just from astrological point of view) certainly he don't have the Moral Right to advocate there shouldn't any Marriage in the world at all...even he says eveybody who have married should get divorce May be as Neelam Ji pointed out this and many of his other teachings may fits well in some of the Western folks perhaps now-a-days in East as well, and some the lust and pleasure seeking mentally ill people.> > > > And he talks about (in the Video) Community and Children should be taken care by the community (in the broader perspective he does make a sense) But what is the Meaning of Community according to him? without the family and family values? > > > > Regards> > > > Chandu2Chill> > > > , Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji; true;> > > If anybody is interested in studying osho. he/she must of all read his ''notes of a madman''.> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>> > > > > > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 8:48 pm> > > Re: Re: OSHO: Marriage and Children> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandu ji,> > > > > > In any case, OSHO was not a role model for our society! Social norms and institutions like marriage have been changing with time. Right and wrong have been convertible terms, dependant upon popular opinion. OSHO operated on a very primordial level and advocated freedom from social and religious dogmas. A normal person, however, is conditioned by his culture and societal norms and finds it difficult to break the social barriers even though he may wish to. Even now, It is difficult for a young man in India to marry a widow! All because of social ills and taboos. There are many tribes where inherently people live in free societies like the one OSHO talks about. They will, obviously, not get scandalised by his comments. Ultimately it is about our inner happiness. Is the speeding city bred, so-called modern civilized man, any happier than the primitive tribal! We all carry the poisoned and mortal wound of our civilized world! > > > > > > Height of individualism is enshrined by the liberated and self-reliant Digambar Jain Munis. They are reverred for what they've accomplished, but bound by social norms, we can not follow their footsteps! > > > > > > Regards> > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/1/12 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear nanna ji,> > > > > > I am not watching the video link given by you, for I value my every minute and put it to good use.. I would not like to spend my time in absorbing or developing anything negative to my nature, culture or characteristics. > > > > > > But let me answer you about following Osho. we must always try to take the positives in a person if we want to read more of him or like him due to his good qualities. The negatives must be given benefit of doubts and ignored. In Oshos case I know and believe that his comments and thinking and opinions must have certainly changed with his age advancing, with his experience advancing, and also with seperate and varied groups of audiences he must have addressed on numerous times of his Life. Therefore nothing strange if his views seem not becoming, because I knew he was opportunistic and also a good business man, just like we all are, in our own ways. In thsi world if one wishes success, then one needs to be diplomatic to changing audiences and has to keep their tastes and preferences in mind, when addressing them.. for instance I may perhaps by chance speak something detrimental about Western Astrology in this forum with an Indian audience,but if I had to address a Western audience I would dare not talk against western Astrology. This is a bitter truth and we must accept the same...> > > > > > regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > , "CP" <nanna_id2006@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm,> > > > > > > > I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your views and comments on this and most importantly from Astology and Astrologer's perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to him (as he says in this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and Astrology becomes just a Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me.> > > > > > > > Here's the link> > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related> > > > > > > > What are your views?> > > > > > > > Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking against our Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY?> > > > > > > > How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do you follow him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married? Please explain...> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Chandu 2 Chill ji,

 

// In my personal view OSHO is a FAILED MAN //

 

But in my view he is a SUCCESSFUL MAN.

 

Because he had the best of money, cars, women, luxuries, and big

industrialists, Wealthy foreigners ready to touch his feet and receive

his blessings. He had the charishma of both Power, Money and personal

attraction with a dictum and command over the English language and

subjects he spoke about.

 

If I had so much money, a fleet of cars, all women (Beautiful ones), and

big men around me, and ready to do my bidding , would I not be

considered as Great ? Yes.

 

But the definition of one being " successful " and a " failure " is a

relative term subject to a seperate set of people eyeing a particular

object.

 

To a middle class man happy with his family who has a wife loving him ,

Rajneesh may not be a successful person. In that case neither

" Prabhupada " nor " Tulsidasa " nor " Meerabai " , nor " Buddha " nor even

" Lord Rama " were successful in being happy as being family men. But they

were utmost successul in other areas.

 

From a materialistic point of view Osho was utmost successful. But from

a spiritual point of view maybe just his arudha was strong, but not his

real Self. But then who are we to judge who is what ? But we are talking

only what was apparently viewable to all.

 

In same way the former characters whom I mentioned may not have been

succcessful householders, but were greatly successful as Spiritual

Giants.

 

But let me be honest. I would not be considered successful by talking

sweetly and nicely and humbly and about God, in this world, if I have no

money in my pockets. But if I have a good bank balance, costly cars,

beautiful women-great wealth and luxuries around me, then this is what

is called as being Successful. Therefore let us not be hypocrites in our

utterances.

 

Try inviting the media, press, film actors actresses and the best Models

and Top Brass of Indian elite society, by writing " Namaste " on your

invitation Card and calling them to your humble abode in a dilapitated

old bungalow of your which you have rented for the purpose. And nobody

will come.

 

But write " Hey Buddy, you are invited to my party on my Boat tonight

where you will enjoy the best of whisky, women and food " and if You sign

it as Vijay Mallya , then just check how many will clamour for even a

short glimpse of the party. This is being known as " Successful " in

todays world. A true fact. And nothing wrong in this. In this world of

Maya, one needs " Maya " by his side.

 

So do I.

 

and so do you, whether you accept it or not...

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar..

 

 

 

 

 

, " CP " <nanna_id2006

wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir ji and All,

>

> This Madman calls himself, i just saw the cover page of the Notes of a

Madman..as BHAGAWAN SHREE RAJANEESH... and in the video he says Bhagawan

(GOD)is a rapist...No doubt He is a Controversial Character

>

> Anyways one dose not need to squeez the whole Rice in the cooking bowl

whether the Rice has been cooked or not. I have seen and interacted on

one to one bases with some of the Oshoiets personally long back.. It is

common formula of this sick man and his followers to advise you to read

his books.. read his A Book what he says there read his B book there

what he says

>

> I have personally seen and observing What type of People He Attracts

and attracted so far.. 90% of them are FAILED MEN and WOMEN in their

personal lives even though they were and are quite successful in their

professional life..

>

> In my personal view OSHO is a FAILED MAN (i hope you have seen the

video link again i am not asking you or anybody here to waste their

precious and productive time i just put it here for discussion

interested one)

>

> Just because he decided Not to marry, or his Chart does't support the

marriage (just from astrological point of view) certainly he don't have

the Moral Right to advocate there shouldn't any Marriage in the world at

all...even he says eveybody who have married should get divorce May be

as Neelam Ji pointed out this and many of his other teachings may fits

well in some of the Western folks perhaps now-a-days in East as well,

and some the lust and pleasure seeking mentally ill people.

>

> And he talks about (in the Video) Community and Children should be

taken care by the community (in the broader perspective he does make a

sense) But what is the Meaning of Community according to him? without

the family and family values?

>

> Regards

>

> Chandu2Chill

>

> , Kulbir Bains

kulbirbains@ wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji; true;

> > If anybody is interested in studying osho. he/she must of all read

his ''notes of a madman''.

> >

> >

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@

> >

> > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 8:48 pm

> > Re: Re: OSHO: Marriage and

Children

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Chandu ji,

> >

> > In any case, OSHO was not a role model for our society! Social norms

and institutions like marriage have been changing with time. Right and

wrong have been convertible terms, dependant upon popular opinion. OSHO

operated on a very primordial level and advocated freedom from social

and religious dogmas. A normal person, however, is conditioned by his

culture and societal norms and finds it difficult to break the social

barriers even though he may wish to. Even now, It is difficult for a

young man in India to marry a widow! All because of social ills and

taboos. There are many tribes where inherently people live in free

societies like the one OSHO talks about. They will, obviously, not get

scandalised by his comments. Ultimately it is about our inner happiness.

Is the speeding city bred, so-called modern civilized man, any happier

than the primitive tribal! We all carry the poisoned and mortal wound of

our civilized world!

> >

> > Height of individualism is enshrined by the liberated and

self-reliant Digambar Jain Munis. They are reverred for what they've

accomplished, but bound by social norms, we can not follow their

footsteps!

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 2010/1/12 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear nanna ji,

> >

> > I am not watching the video link given by you, for I value my every

minute and put it to good use.. I would not like to spend my time in

absorbing or developing anything negative to my nature, culture or

characteristics.

> >

> > But let me answer you about following Osho. we must always try to

take the positives in a person if we want to read more of him or like

him due to his good qualities. The negatives must be given benefit of

doubts and ignored. In Oshos case I know and believe that his comments

and thinking and opinions must have certainly changed with his age

advancing, with his experience advancing, and also with seperate and

varied groups of audiences he must have addressed on numerous times of

his Life. Therefore nothing strange if his views seem not becoming,

because I knew he was opportunistic and also a good business man, just

like we all are, in our own ways. In thsi world if one wishes success,

then one needs to be diplomatic to changing audiences and has to keep

their tastes and preferences in mind, when addressing them.. for

instance I may perhaps by chance speak something detrimental about

Western Astrology in this forum with an Indian audience,but if I had to

address a Western audience I would dare not talk against western

Astrology. This is a bitter truth and we must accept the same...

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > , " CP "

<nanna_id2006@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All and Some of the OSHO's followers in this fourm,

> > >

> > > I came across this OSHO's Advise??? and would like to know your

views and comments on this and most importantly from Astology and

Astrologer's perspective, if anybody and everybody follows according to

him (as he says in this Video) there will be No Job for Astrologers and

Astrology becomes just a Garbage Theory/Science/Art according to me.

> > >

> > > Here's the link

> > >

> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I & feature=related

> > >

> > > What are your views?

> > >

> > > Is he Not promoting a fatherless society? is he not talking

against our Ancient values? and very social fabric called FAMILY?

> > >

> > > How many among our group are Married and follow OSHO here? Why do

you follow him? or what made you to follow him if you are Married?

Please explain...

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Chandu2Chill

> > >

> >

>

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Respected members,

 

Osho advocated certain issues which we find atrocious to accept.Osho was much

ahead of his times and talked in a language which is very different in our

limited understanding.

 

It is easy to comment on people, it would be easier to note and understand

his perspective from his shoes. His understanding and explanations on various

subject, including astrology and man-woman relation is different, not simply

what we would like to infer. Please go through his creations " And the flowers

showered " , and his versions to meditations also. Osho has been mis-understood.

 

regards

Rumki

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Dear Rukmi ji;

Once a learned scholsr advised me ; whenever you start reading a book, tear and throw the pages in starting that give introduction about the author.

when one reads a book knowing that the article/book has been written by osho, the opinion is totally different from that if the authorship is not known.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:05 PM, rumki <rumki64 wrote:

 

 

 

 

Respected members,Osho advocated certain issues which we find atrocious to accept.Osho was much ahead of his times and talked in a language which is very different in our limited understanding.

It is easy to comment on people, it would be easier to note and understand his perspective from his shoes. His understanding and explanations on various subject, including astrology and man-woman relation is different, not simply what we would like to infer. Please go through his creations " And the flowers showered " , and his versions to meditations also. Osho has been mis-understood.

regardsRumki

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Dear Rumki JI,

 

//talked in a language which is very different//

--I want to add that he has talked in very simple and local language

which generally peoples are speaking

 

//Osho has been mis-understood//

--It has to be no wonder,there is time for every season,it is seed

which is very important.

 

I personally feels not to advocate any-one for Osho,It is quite

possible he will get what he want and not that what is supposed to come.

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

rumki wrote:

 

 

 

 

Respected members,

 

Osho advocated certain issues which we find atrocious to accept.Osho

was much ahead of his times and talked in a language which is very

different in our limited understanding.

 

It is easy to comment on people, it would be easier to note and

understand his perspective from his shoes. His understanding and

explanations on various subject, including astrology and man-woman

relation is different, not simply what we would like to infer. Please

go through his creations "And the flowers showered", and his versions

to meditations also. Osho has been mis-understood.

 

regards

Rumki

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Bhaiyon aur ladies (Not baheno)

 

In a Restaurant all the dishes served may not be good or tasty or delicious. You

Order for those which you know are good and enjoy them. baaki chodo na. Agar

Hotel hi pasand nahin toh us galli mein hi mat jao na Bhai.Joh pasand hai usme

jao na. Koi nahin rokta apne ko.

 

Same way for osho. Read the his books which you like. Among the books you read,

the chapters which you do not savour, just flip those pages away. And if You

dont like Osho, then dont read his books at all. In case you like someone else

then talk about the other someone else.

 

magar mare hue aadmi ke baare hum jinde log aapas mein kyun itna bahaas kar

frahen hain. Kya apne paas koi aur kaam nahin hai ?

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

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