Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism

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Dear All, Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is available at: http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-DeterminismLove and Regards,Sreenadh

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh Ji, Devisingh Ji,

 

The Nadi astrology that is described in the article sent by Sreenadh Ji is NOT astrology at all. THAT is why it can be 100% accurate (some times). No REAL Astrologer, however talented can tell you what the "name of your future wife is going to be". There is a simple and true explanation for this "phenomenon". I wish these researchers are contacted me before wasting their time:

 

It is called ..... "Automatic Writing". It is a phenomenon where departed spirits from a different plane "Automatically Write" on these Palm Leaves. It can be done several diffrent ways. The Major events in life that cannot be changed, will happen 100%. The other events may or may not occur depending on free will. Also visibility of events beyond the 2-3 year point (unless it is a Major event) is marginal at best. Any one interested can look at the archives when me and Bhaskar Ji shared our experiences regarding this phenomenon.

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

devisigh <devisingh.rajput Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 1:39:43 AMRe: Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism

Dear Sreenadh JI,Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same technique without modification can not works as it was used in older time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/ piller can not change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure after some more time.-would like to have your comments------------ ------ Regards, DevisinghSreenadh OG wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear All, Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is available at: http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- DeterminismLove and Regards,

Sreenadh

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj JI,

 

The way you are looking and me is quite matching,let me put where i

have added

 

--Palmistry,dream analysis,samundric,nadi leaf,nadi etc all are forms

which was/is used to look into time,these all are astrology in

that sense for looking in future/past/present.

 

--Insight is nothing but the Potential earned by some-one who arouses

while using thouse instruments and i know instrument  can be anything

so not question of instrument it is question of person who is using

that instrument without Insight does he/she get aroused/how much...etc

 

--Nadi leaf was instrument prepared (now better can be prepared) to

decipher and read code easily but the fundamental seems to me was same

as thouse nadi shashatra.

--they try to use number of leaf and see which naadi leaf pattern is

matching same as various naadi shashtra,Brigu,Shukra,Chandra etc

--It is quite possible one may not have all rules memories so that leaf

once match they only pattern will tell everything.

 

--so when one is full of all rules and looking palm leaf easily map

those principle just by looking patterns that is substitute of kundli.

--i have studied on various subjects including naadi

shashtra,Brigu,Shukra,Chandra,Nadi leaf...to me all are having single

foundation and works on base of  minute division,leaf  was used

as instrument to ful fill thouse requirement described.

--leaf design was used was enough to match with people.....now boundry

will getting cross with types of people as Rate if birth is too high

...so further minute division has to be done in order to survive in

future,not single but all of thouse techniques seems good but requires

re-work

 

--what i think we can even prepare best tool compare to that Nadi leaf

(as now we have more choice we can create artificial material )

--Related to wife name prediction,i am not saying that can not

possible,but that has nothing to do with Nadi Leaf Marks patterns it is

beyond that.

--I am fully agree with 2 types of events 1)not tolerable must happens

2)tolerable we can escape smartly

 

--your input is appreciated

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

Manoj Chandran wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh Ji, Devisingh Ji,

 

The Nadi astrology that is described in the article sent by

Sreenadh Ji is NOT astrology at all. THAT is why it can be 100%

accurate (some times). No REAL Astrologer, however talented can tell

you what the "name of your future wife is going to be". There is a

simple and true explanation for this "phenomenon". I wish these

researchers are contacted me before wasting their time:

 

It is called ..... "Automatic Writing". It is a phenomenon where

departed spirits from  a different plane "Automatically Write" on these

Palm Leaves. It can be done several diffrent ways. The Major events in

life that cannot be changed, will happen 100%. The other events may or

may not occur depending on free will. Also visibility of events beyond

the 2-3 year point (unless it is a Major event) is marginal at

best. Any one interested can look at the archives when me and Bhaskar

Ji shared our experiences regarding this phenomenon.

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

 

devisigh <devisingh.rajput >

 

Thu, January 21,

2010 1:39:43 AM

Re:

Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh JI,

 

Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under

study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.

 

Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used

extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same

technique without modification can not works as it was used in older time.so

untill some one try to get essence/foundation/ piller can not

change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure after

some more time.

 

-would like to have your comments

------------ ------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

Sreenadh OG wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

  Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is

available at: http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/

Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm-

Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism

Love and Regards,

Sreenadh

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj ji,

 

Would like to share my personal experience when I visited Nadi astrologer before

marriage. I was given overview of my would be wife's name in terms of number of

letters and some starting and ending combinations. My wife name is exactly

within that overview. I don't know astrologically how it can be calcualted?

 

regds

Dev

 

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh Ji, Devisingh Ji,

>

> The Nadi astrology that is described in the article sent by Sreenadh Ji is

NOT astrology at all. THAT is why it can be 100% accurate (some times). No REAL

Astrologer, however talented can tell you what the  " name of your future wife is

going to be " . There is a simple and true explanation for this " phenomenon " . I

wish these researchers are contacted me before wasting their time:

>

> It is called ..... " Automatic Writing " . It is a phenomenon where departed

spirits from  a different plane " Automatically Write " on these Palm Leaves. It

can be done several diffrent ways. The Major events in life that cannot be

changed, will happen 100%. The other events may or may not occur depending on

free will. Also visibility of events beyond the 2-3 year point (unless it is a

Major event) is marginal at best. Any one interested can look at the archives

when me and Bhaskar Ji shared our experiences regarding this phenomenon.

>

> Regards,

>  -Manoj

>  

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> devisigh <devisingh.rajput

>

> Thu, January 21, 2010 1:39:43 AM

> Re:

Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoros\

copes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism

>

>  

> Dear Sreenadh JI,

>

> Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under study

for last)related to Naadi Leaf.

>

> Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used extensively for

correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same technique without modification

can not works as it was used in older time.so untill some one try to get

essence/foundation/ piller can not change/modify this system so seems that this

will die for sure after some more time.

>

> -would like to have your comments

> ------------ ------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> Sreenadh OG wrote:

>  

> >

> >Dear All,

> >  Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is available

at: http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic

ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question-

of-Will-Versus- Determinism

> >Love and Regards,

> >

> >Sreenadh

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dev JI,

 

I do have great respect for All seniors/non seniors,It is pleasure

anybody share/discuss something as far as anybody do not take that

personal else worth after that.

 

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

axeplex wrote:

 

 

Dear Debiji,

 

Can I put my views? Some parts are definitely required to be changed

but preamble is same. I mean if Nadi reading says the following period

shall be bad. It may be bad but not exactly as interpreted by reader.

 

regds

Dev

 

,

devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh JI,

>

> Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is

under

> study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.

>

> Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used

> extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same

> technique without modification can not works as it was used in

older

> time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/piller

can not

> change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure

after

> some more time.

>

> -would like to have your comments

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> Sreenadh OG wrote:

> >

> > [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Sreenadh OG

included below]

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> > Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is

 

> > available at:

> > http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism

 

> > <http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism>

> > Love and Regards,

> > *Sreenadh*

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Today I had a distinguised couple as my guests for Lunch. that gentleman had

visited Poona to some August Rishi nadi, and seems that he got a Audio CD from

them as predictions after he gave them his thumb print,and eh says that

everyword from it came true in that CD, so much so that the Audio CD mentioned

that his wife would develop sugar problems 3 months back, which she actually

did. The CD also gave names of his family members what they could be etc.... (He

asked me to listen to the CD but as usual I am busy and declined)

 

But this same gentlemans predictions for his daughter did not come true, it

seems when she gave her thumbprint...

 

so the question mark remains.....that at times it is very good and at times

bogus....

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, devisigh <devisingh.rajput

wrote:

>

> Dear Dev JI,

>

> I do have great respect for All seniors/non seniors,It is pleasure

> anybody share/discuss something as far as anybody do not take that

> personal else worth after that.

>

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> axeplex wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Debiji,

> >

> > Can I put my views? Some parts are definitely required to be changed

> > but preamble is same. I mean if Nadi reading says the following period

> > shall be bad. It may be bad but not exactly as interpreted by reader.

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> >

> > <%40>, devisigh

> > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh JI,

> > >

> > > Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under

> > > study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.

> > >

> > > Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used

> > > extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same

> > > technique without modification can not works as it was used in older

> > > time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/piller can not

> > > change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure after

> > > some more time.

> > >

> > > -would like to have your comments

> > > ------------------

> > > Regards,

> > > Devisingh

> > >

> > > Sreenadh OG wrote:

> > > >

> > > > [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Sreenadh OG included below]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is

> > > > available at:

> > > >

> >

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Anci\

ent-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determin\

ism

> >

<http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Anc\

ient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determi\

nism>

> >

> > > >

> >

<http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Anc\

ient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determi\

nism

> >

<http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Anc\

ient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determi\

nism>>

> > > > Love and Regards,

> > > > *Sreenadh*

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar JI,

 

what is the age of that gentleman?and his daughter?

 

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

Bhaskar wrote:

 

 

Today I had a distinguised couple as my guests for Lunch. that

gentleman had visited Poona to some August Rishi nadi, and seems that

he got a Audio CD from them as predictions after he gave them his thumb

print,and eh says that everyword from it came true in that CD, so much

so that the Audio CD mentioned that his wife would develop sugar

problems 3 months back, which she actually did. The CD also gave names

of his family members what they could be etc.... (He asked me to listen

to the CD but as usual I am busy and declined)

 

But this same gentlemans predictions for his daughter did not come

true, it seems when she gave her thumbprint...

 

so the question mark remains.....that at times it is very good and

at times bogus....

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

,

devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:

>

> Dear Dev JI,

>

> I do have great respect for All seniors/non seniors,It is pleasure

 

> anybody share/discuss something as far as anybody do not take that

 

> personal else worth after that.

>

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> axeplex wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Debiji,

> >

> > Can I put my views? Some parts are definitely required to be

changed

> > but preamble is same. I mean if Nadi reading says the

following period

> > shall be bad. It may be bad but not exactly as interpreted by

reader.

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> >

 

> > <%40>,

devisigh

> > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh JI,

> > >

> > > Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala

naadi is under

> > > study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.

> > >

> > > Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that

was used

> > > extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out

now same

> > > technique without modification can not works as it was

used in older

> > > time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/piller

can not

> > > change/modify this system so seems that this will die

for sure after

> > > some more time.

> > >

> > > -would like to have your comments

> > > ------------------

> > > Regards,

> > > Devisingh

> > >

> > > Sreenadh OG wrote:

> > > >

> > > > [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Sreenadh

OG included below]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > Some of you might be interested in the attached

file which is

> > > > available at:

> > > >

> > http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism

 

> > <http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism>

 

> >

> > > >

> > <http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism

 

> > <http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism>>

> > > > Love and Regards,

> > > > *Sreenadh*

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar jiI did some research on these nadi leaves

I have

visited few Nadi Astrologers

in Tamil Nadu. They claim that our horoscopes were written By Agastya centuries

back is totally false. They are basically astrologers whose predictions are

based on your date of birth and time. Then the chart is drawn and predictions

are given on the basis of planetary positions.

 

 

I will

first explain the procedure these nadi astrologers adopt.

First they

take your thumb impression and based on that they pick up a bunch

of leaves written in ancient Tamil. Then personal questions are asked to locate

the exact leaf. Once the leaf is located they ask you to wait. After some time

they come with a note book claiming to be the translation of the

leaf. Then they translate to you in simple Tamil claiming that the horoscope

was written long ago and they are just reading it.

 

 

First they

take the thumb impression which is not necessary. They bring a bunch of leaves

which a common man cannot understand. On the pretext of searching the leaves

they put questions. To my surprise they extracted information of my date of

birth nakshatra

and time. They are so fast and experienced that common man cannot guess it. Then

they ask questions like does your father name start from ka kha gh gha na and

so on. They ask you to answer yes or no. But this is a simple trick to retrieve

your personal information which I can do it myself. Once the required

information is collected, they claim the leaf is found. They read out your

name, father’s name mother’s name etc. They tell your nakshatra and tell you to

come after some time. If you notice that they do not record the first part of

question and answers. One more method to expose them is that once they confirm

that your leaf has been retrieved; ask them to tell the names of your children.

They will not be able to tell because you have not revealed it.

 

Next time you go please record

without their knowledge the first part (Question and answers) and listen. You

will be surprised that unknowingly you have given the information they require.

Now with the date of birth and time they can easily draw the chart with the

planetary positions. As an astrologer they start giving predictions. Being a

student of astrology

I was able to find out. To test them, I asked them about my marriage. He told me

it will happen within one year. I told them that I am not interested in

marriage. So he advised me that the option is left to me. Now if it was written

by agastya he should have told me with authority that I will

marry. By giving the option to me it is very clear that no Rishis has written

about my horoscope and they are just plain astrologers. That is the

reason why people tell me that they told my past correctly but my future

predictions went wrong

 

But at the same time I respect

their knowledge in astrology.

 

There was an article about a

nadi astrologer arrested in Mohali few years back. Since my experience

was similar I wish to share this article. Just follow the links

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/45602.cms

 

But

again when I explained this theory to my dear friends they argue that there are

fraud nadis also. If any one can give me address of any genuine Nadis please

mail me the details.

Thanks

and regards

Girish

..

 

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:29 AM

 

 

Today I had a distinguised couple as my guests for Lunch. that gentleman had visited Poona to some August Rishi nadi, and seems that he got a Audio CD from them as predictions after he gave them his thumb print,and eh says that everyword from it came true in that CD, so much so that the Audio CD mentioned that his wife would develop sugar problems 3 months back, which she actually did. The CD also gave names of his family members what they could be etc.... (He asked me to listen to the CD but as usual I am busy and declined)

 

But this same gentlemans predictions for his daughter did not come true, it seems when she gave her thumbprint.. .

 

so the question mark remains..... that at times it is very good and at times bogus....

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh <devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Dev JI,

>

> I do have great respect for All seniors/non seniors,It is pleasure

> anybody share/discuss something as far as anybody do not take that

> personal else worth after that.

>

> ------------ ------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> axeplex wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Debiji,

> >

> > Can I put my views? Some parts are definitely required to be changed

> > but preamble is same. I mean if Nadi reading says the following period

> > shall be bad. It may be bad but not exactly as interpreted by reader.

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, devisigh

> > <devisingh.rajput@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh JI,

> > >

> > > Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under

> > > study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.

> > >

> > > Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used

> > > extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same

> > > technique without modification can not works as it was used in older

> > > time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/ piller can not

> > > change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure after

> > > some more time.

> > >

> > > -would like to have your comments

> > > ------------ ------

> > > Regards,

> > > Devisingh

> > >

> > > Sreenadh OG wrote:

> > > >

> > > > [Attachment( s) <#TopText> from Sreenadh OG included below]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is

> > > > available at:

> > > >

> > http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism

> > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism>

> >

> > > >

> > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism

> > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism>>

> > > > Love and Regards,

> > > > *Sreenadh*

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Devisingh ji,

 

Around 62 and 28 respectively

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

, devisigh <devisingh.rajput

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar JI,

>

> what is the age of that gentleman?and his daughter?

>

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> >

> > Today I had a distinguised couple as my guests for Lunch. that

> > gentleman had visited Poona to some August Rishi nadi, and seems that

> > he got a Audio CD from them as predictions after he gave them his

> > thumb print,and eh says that everyword from it came true in that CD,

> > so much so that the Audio CD mentioned that his wife would develop

> > sugar problems 3 months back, which she actually did. The CD also gave

> > names of his family members what they could be etc.... (He asked me to

> > listen to the CD but as usual I am busy and declined)

> >

> > But this same gentlemans predictions for his daughter did not come

> > true, it seems when she gave her thumbprint...

> >

> > so the question mark remains.....that at times it is very good and at

> > times bogus....

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > <%40>, devisigh

> > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Dev JI,

> > >

> > > I do have great respect for All seniors/non seniors,It is pleasure

> > > anybody share/discuss something as far as anybody do not take that

> > > personal else worth after that.

> > >

> > > ------------------

> > > Regards,

> > > Devisingh

> > >

> > > axeplex wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Debiji,

> > > >

> > > > Can I put my views? Some parts are definitely required to be changed

> > > > but preamble is same. I mean if Nadi reading says the following

> > period

> > > > shall be bad. It may be bad but not exactly as interpreted by reader.

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, devisigh

> > > > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh JI,

> > > > >

> > > > > Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi

> > is under

> > > > > study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used

> > > > > extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same

> > > > > technique without modification can not works as it was used in older

> > > > > time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/piller can not

> > > > > change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure after

> > > > > some more time.

> > > > >

> > > > > -would like to have your comments

> > > > > ------------------

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Devisingh

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh OG wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Sreenadh OG included below]

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is

> > > > > > available at:

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Anci\

ent-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determin\

ism

> >

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ient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determi\

nism>

> >

> > > >

> >

<http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Anc\

ient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determi\

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> >

<http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Anc\

ient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determi\

nism>>

> >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

<http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Anc\

ient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determi\

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> >

<http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Anc\

ient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determi\

nism>

> >

> > > >

> >

<http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Anc\

ient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determi\

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ient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determi\

nism>>>

> > > > > > Love and Regards,

> > > > > > *Sreenadh*

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Girish ji I agree with you. 99% nadi readers are great astrologers.I had the same experience in Vaitheeswarankoil in tamilnad where lot of nadi astrologers are available..Senthil --- On Fri, 22/1/10, Girish menon <horamag wrote:Girish menon <horamagRe: Re: Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism Date: Friday, 22 January, 2010, 7:35 PM

 

 

Dear Bhaskar jiI did some research on these nadi leaves

I have

visited few Nadi Astrologers

in Tamil Nadu. They claim that our horoscopes were written By Agastya centuries

back is totally false. They are basically astrologers whose predictions are

based on your date of birth and time. Then the chart is drawn and predictions

are given on the basis of planetary positions.

I will

first explain the procedure these nadi astrologers adopt. First they

take your thumb impression and based on that they pick up a bunch

of leaves written in ancient Tamil. Then personal questions are asked to locate

the exact leaf. Once the leaf is located they ask you to wait. After some time

they come with a note book claiming to be the translation of the

leaf. Then they translate to you in simple Tamil claiming that the horoscope

was written long ago and they are just reading it.

First they

take the thumb impression which is not necessary. They bring a bunch of leaves

which a common man cannot understand. On the pretext of searching the leaves

they put questions. To my surprise they extracted information of my date of

birth nakshatra

and time. They are so fast and experienced that common man cannot guess it. Then

they ask questions like does your father name start from ka kha gh gha na and

so on. They ask you to answer yes or no. But this is a simple trick to retrieve

your personal information which I can do it myself. Once the required

information is collected, they claim the leaf is found. They read out your

name, father’s name mother’s name etc. They tell your nakshatra and tell you to

come after some time. If you notice that they do not record the first part of

question and answers. One more method to expose them is that once they confirm

that your leaf has been retrieved; ask them to tell the names of your children.

They will not be able to tell because you have not revealed it.

Next time you go please record

without their knowledge the first part (Question and answers) and listen. You

will be surprised that unknowingly you have given the information they require.

Now with the date of birth and time they can easily draw the chart with the

planetary positions. As an astrologer they start giving predictions. Being a

student of astrology

I was able to find out. To test them, I asked them about my marriage. He told me

it will happen within one year. I told them that I am not interested in

marriage. So he advised me that the option is left to me. Now if it was written

by agastya he should have told me with authority that I will

marry. By giving the option to me it is very clear that no Rishis has written

about my horoscope and they are just plain astrologers. That is the

reason why people tell me that they told my past correctly but my future

predictions went wrong

But at the same time I respect

their knowledge in astrology.

There was an article about a

nadi astrologer arrested in Mohali few years back. Since my experience

was similar I wish to share this article. Just follow the links http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/articleshow/ 45602.cms

 

But

again when I explained this theory to my dear friends they argue that there are

fraud nadis also. If any one can give me address of any genuine Nadis please

mail me the details.

Thanks

and regards

Girish . --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinismancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, January 22, 2010, 5:29 AM

 

 

Today I had a distinguised couple as my guests for Lunch. that gentleman had visited Poona to some August Rishi nadi, and seems that he got a Audio CD from them as predictions after he gave them his thumb print,and eh says that everyword from it came true in that CD, so much so that the Audio CD mentioned that his wife would develop sugar problems 3 months back, which she actually did. The CD also gave names of his family members what they could be etc.... (He asked me to listen to the CD but as usual I am busy and declined)

 

But this same gentlemans predictions for his daughter did not come true, it seems when she gave her thumbprint.. .

 

so the question mark remains..... that at times it is very good and at times bogus....

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh <devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Dev JI,

>

> I do have great respect for All seniors/non seniors,It is pleasure

> anybody share/discuss something as far as anybody do not take that

> personal else worth after that.

>

> ------------ ------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> axeplex wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Debiji,

> >

> > Can I put my views? Some parts are definitely required to be changed

> > but preamble is same. I mean if Nadi reading says the following period

> > shall be bad. It may be bad but not exactly as interpreted by reader.

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, devisigh

> > <devisingh.rajput@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh JI,

> > >

> > > Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under

> > > study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.

> > >

> > > Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used

> > > extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same

> > > technique without modification can not works as it was used in older

> > > time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/ piller can not

> > > change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure after

> > > some more time.

> > >

> > > -would like to have your comments

> > > ------------ ------

> > > Regards,

> > > Devisingh

> > >

> > > Sreenadh OG wrote:

> > > >

> > > > [Attachment( s) <#TopText> from Sreenadh OG included below]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is

> > > > available at:

> > > >

> > http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism

> > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism>

> >

> > > >

> > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism

> > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism>>

> > > > Love and Regards,

> > > > *Sreenadh*

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Girish Ji And ALL,

 

You are partially correct. I know how it works, I have seen it work with my own eyes. Here is how it works: There are several modalities:

 

1. There are some families who have done great Pujas/Austerities what ever you might call for Eons and Generations to certain Dieties. Now some people dismiss them as "Tamasic Dieties" BUT NOT all of them are "Tamasic". There are Satvic Dieties also. These Satvic families have been learning this trade from Father to Son. As soon as they get to Puberty, the learning starts. Only Men/Boys can learn this, Women are forbidden from this. By sincere prayers and constant Repetition of the Mantras for the Diety, they gain the favour of such Dieties. Then the flood gates open. They have been passed on by their Forefathers some (note a very very few) Palm Leafs that "Act as Instruments for these Dieties/Beings to communicate with our world. This is what the Westerners call "Automatic Writing".

 

Once you go in to the Nadi place, they get your thumb print and they Go inside --- and they start their prayers and start repeating the Mantra. They carry with them :

 

a) The REAL Palm leafs that are needed for Automatic Writing

b) Several Ancient Palm leafs that have some old writings NOTHING TO DO WITH PREDICTIONS. This is just a facade to make you believe they are thumbing through several leaves.

 

Then the dance begins. The "Entity" starts emptying info about YOU on the "Leaf". The Entity has to "SEARCH" the database in the Astral Plane (Let us call it Akashic Records (AR) for convenience) that matches you. Since the Entity is Not Perfect (only GOD is perfect), it does so by trial and error. BUT when it GETS your "AR", boy you are in for a nice Ride, because it is going to predict some events that you have NO HOPE of changing.

 

2. Seing how these "Original" families are "minting money" several other families have joined the Fun by invoking "Tamasic" Deities of various origins (a famous one being Karna Pisacha). Dealing with these Deities is a dangerous game. The Modus Operandi is similar, BUT MOST of these Deities "Whisper" the information in the Ears of the Nadi Practitioner. Once again he shifts through the Nadi leaves to Fake you out, while infact "Listening closely" to the "entity whispering in his Ears".

 

These Entities have much lower "Success" Rate but can correctly predict Events going to happen within Next Year of so (IF they are pleased with the Nadi Practitioner). If NOT they can give him wrong information and in some cases Haunt him through his Sleep, resulting in Sleep Deprivation and Suicide. One Nadi astrologer my friend knew poured Kerosene and set himself on Fire unable to handle this Entity.

 

3. Now if it so happens (either by case 1 or 2) that the Nadi Person is unable to gather much info from the Diety, what he does is gather your Moon sign. These Deities seem to be able to easily determine the Day of Birth. Time and Place are harder. So in such situaions the Nadi Person uses his rudimentary Knowledge of Astrology to predict some thing (that invariably is a bunch of BS).

 

4. It can also happen that the "Entity" only gives him one or two Major events that are going to happen. So now you will not be satisfied as a customer to just know 2 Events. So in such cases also the Nadi Astrologer "Fills IN" with his rudimentary astro knowledge (primarily using Ju/Sa transits).

 

Some General Comments:

 

a) The older you are, the more accurate the Readings can be: Why? There is more "STuff" in your Akashic Records and so it is easier to Identify you.

b) Corollary to the above, I challenge any one to take a 2 year old or 4 year old child and ask them to give the READING. Cannot happen: Why? Not much info in the AR. On the other hand, if they were just astrologers, what is the problem? They could predict.

 

Final Warning: If some one is unable to handle the BRUTAL Truth, Please Stay AWAY from Nadi Readings. One of my Best Friends was told that his Father will "Lose his Legs" and a range of 2 years was given. My Friend kept this info away from his Father (and rightly so). 14 years later (within about 1 year of the predicted Time Frame) it happened. He was in a bad vehicle accident and they had to amputate his Left Leg. Some things in LIFE CANNOT be changed. THAT is a difficult thing for intelligent minds to accept, but it is the truth.

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Girish menon <horamag Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 7:05:23 AMRe: Re: Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism

 

 

 

 

Dear Bhaskar jiI did some research on these nadi leaves

I have visited few Nadi Astrologers in Tamil Nadu. They claim that our horoscopes were written By Agastya centuries back is totally false. They are basically astrologers whose predictions are based on your date of birth and time. Then the chart is drawn and predictions are given on the basis of planetary positions.

I will first explain the procedure these nadi astrologers adopt.

First they take your thumb impression and based on that they pick up a bunch of leaves written in ancient Tamil. Then personal questions are asked to locate the exact leaf. Once the leaf is located they ask you to wait. After some time they come with a note book claiming to be the translation of the leaf. Then they translate to you in simple Tamil claiming that the horoscope was written long ago and they are just reading it.

First they take the thumb impression which is not necessary. They bring a bunch of leaves which a common man cannot understand. On the pretext of searching the leaves they put questions. To my surprise they extracted information of my date of birth nakshatra and time. They are so fast and experienced that common man cannot guess it. Then they ask questions like does your father name start from ka kha gh gha na and so on. They ask you to answer yes or no. But this is a simple trick to retrieve your personal information which I can do it myself. Once the required information is collected, they claim the leaf is found. They read out your name, father’s name mother’s name

etc. They tell your nakshatra and tell you to come after some time. If you notice that they do not record the first part of question and answers. One more method to expose them is that once they confirm that your leaf has been retrieved; ask them to tell the names of your children. They will not be able to tell because you have not revealed it.

Next time you go please record without their knowledge the first part (Question and answers) and listen. You will be surprised that unknowingly you have given the information they require. Now with the date of birth and time they can easily draw the chart with the planetary positions. As an astrologer they start giving predictions. Being a student of astrology I was able to find out. To test them, I asked them about my marriage. He told me it will happen within one year. I told them that I am not interested in marriage. So he advised me that the option is left to me. Now if it was written by agastya

he should have told me with authority that I will marry. By giving the option to me it is very clear that no Rishis has written about my horoscope and they are just plain astrologers. That is the reason why people tell me that they told my past correctly but my future predictions went wrong

But at the same time I respect their knowledge in astrology.

There was an article about a nadi astrologer arrested in Mohali few years back. Since my experience was similar I wish to share this article. Just follow the links

http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/articleshow/ 45602.cms

But again when I explained this theory to my dear friends they argue that there are fraud nadis also. If any one can give me address of any genuine Nadis please mail me the details.

Thanks and regards

Girish

..

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinismancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, January 22, 2010, 5:29 AM

Today I had a distinguised couple as my guests for Lunch. that gentleman had visited Poona to some August Rishi nadi, and seems that he got a Audio CD from them as predictions after he gave them his thumb print,and eh says that everyword from it came true in that CD, so much so that the Audio CD mentioned that his wife would develop sugar problems 3 months back, which she actually did. The CD also gave names of his family members what they could be etc.... (He asked me to listen to the CD but as usual I am busy and declined)But this same gentlemans predictions for his daughter did not come true, it seems when she gave her thumbprint.. .so the question mark remains..... that at times it is very good and at times bogus....regards,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh <devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Dev JI,> > I do have great

respect for All seniors/non seniors,It is pleasure > anybody share/discuss something as far as anybody do not take that > personal else worth after that.> > ------------ ------> Regards,> Devisingh> > axeplex wrote:> > > >> > Dear Debiji,> >> > Can I put my views? Some parts are definitely required to be changed > > but preamble is same. I mean if Nadi reading says the following period > > shall be bad. It may be bad but not exactly as interpreted by reader.> >> > regds> > Dev> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, devisigh > > <devisingh.rajput@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh JI,> > >> > > Below is

my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under> > > study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.> > >> > > Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used> > > extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same> > > technique without modification can not works as it was used in older> > > time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/ piller can not> > > change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure after> > > some more time.> > >> > > -would like to have your comments> > > ------------ ------> > > Regards,> > > Devisingh> > >> > > Sreenadh OG wrote:> > > >> > > > [Attachment( s) <#TopText> from Sreenadh OG included

below]> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is> > > > available at:> > > > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco

pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism> > >> > > > > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism>>> > > > Love and Regards,> > > >

*Sreenadh*> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mano jiThis type of reading is a new information for me. Can you please provide me the address.Thanks and regardsGirish--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Re: Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 10:28 AM

 

 

 

Dear Girish Ji And ALL,

 

You are partially correct. I know how it works, I have seen it work with my own eyes. Here is how it works: There are several modalities:

 

1. There are some families who have done great Pujas/Austerities what ever you might call for Eons and Generations to certain Dieties. Now some people dismiss them as "Tamasic Dieties" BUT NOT all of them are "Tamasic". There are Satvic Dieties also. These Satvic families have been learning this trade from Father to Son. As soon as they get to Puberty, the learning starts. Only Men/Boys can learn this, Women are forbidden from this. By sincere prayers and constant Repetition of the Mantras for the Diety, they gain the favour of such Dieties. Then the flood gates open. They have been passed on by their Forefathers some (note a very very few) Palm Leafs that "Act as Instruments for these Dieties/Beings to communicate with our world. This is what the Westerners call "Automatic Writing".

 

Once you go in to the Nadi place, they get your thumb print and they Go inside --- and they start their prayers and start repeating the Mantra. They carry with them :

 

a) The REAL Palm leafs that are needed for Automatic Writing

b) Several Ancient Palm leafs that have some old writings NOTHING TO DO WITH PREDICTIONS. This is just a facade to make you believe they are thumbing through several leaves.

 

Then the dance begins. The "Entity" starts emptying info about YOU on the "Leaf". The Entity has to "SEARCH" the database in the Astral Plane (Let us call it Akashic Records (AR) for convenience) that matches you. Since the Entity is Not Perfect (only GOD is perfect), it does so by trial and error. BUT when it GETS your "AR", boy you are in for a nice Ride, because it is going to predict some events that you have NO HOPE of changing.

 

2. Seing how these "Original" families are "minting money" several other families have joined the Fun by invoking "Tamasic" Deities of various origins (a famous one being Karna Pisacha). Dealing with these Deities is a dangerous game. The Modus Operandi is similar, BUT MOST of these Deities "Whisper" the information in the Ears of the Nadi Practitioner. Once again he shifts through the Nadi leaves to Fake you out, while infact "Listening closely" to the "entity whispering in his Ears".

 

These Entities have much lower "Success" Rate but can correctly predict Events going to happen within Next Year of so (IF they are pleased with the Nadi Practitioner) . If NOT they can give him wrong information and in some cases Haunt him through his Sleep, resulting in Sleep Deprivation and Suicide. One Nadi astrologer my friend knew poured Kerosene and set himself on Fire unable to handle this Entity.

 

3. Now if it so happens (either by case 1 or 2) that the Nadi Person is unable to gather much info from the Diety, what he does is gather your Moon sign. These Deities seem to be able to easily determine the Day of Birth. Time and Place are harder. So in such situaions the Nadi Person uses his rudimentary Knowledge of Astrology to predict some thing (that invariably is a bunch of BS).

 

4. It can also happen that the "Entity" only gives him one or two Major events that are going to happen. So now you will not be satisfied as a customer to just know 2 Events. So in such cases also the Nadi Astrologer "Fills IN" with his rudimentary astro knowledge (primarily using Ju/Sa transits).

 

Some General Comments:

 

a) The older you are, the more accurate the Readings can be: Why? There is more "STuff" in your Akashic Records and so it is easier to Identify you.

b) Corollary to the above, I challenge any one to take a 2 year old or 4 year old child and ask them to give the READING. Cannot happen: Why? Not much info in the AR. On the other hand, if they were just astrologers, what is the problem? They could predict.

 

Final Warning: If some one is unable to handle the BRUTAL Truth, Please Stay AWAY from Nadi Readings. One of my Best Friends was told that his Father will "Lose his Legs" and a range of 2 years was given. My Friend kept this info away from his Father (and rightly so). 14 years later (within about 1 year of the predicted Time Frame) it happened. He was in a bad vehicle accident and they had to amputate his Left Leg. Some things in LIFE CANNOT be changed. THAT is a difficult thing for intelligent minds to accept, but it is the truth.

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Girish menon <horamag >ancient_indian_ astrologyFri, January 22, 2010 7:05:23 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism

 

 

 

 

Dear Bhaskar jiI did some research on these nadi leaves

I have visited few Nadi Astrologers in Tamil Nadu. They claim that our horoscopes were written By Agastya centuries back is totally false. They are basically astrologers whose predictions are based on your date of birth and time. Then the chart is drawn and predictions are given on the basis of planetary positions.

I will first explain the procedure these nadi astrologers adopt.

First they take your thumb impression and based on that they pick up a bunch of leaves written in ancient Tamil. Then personal questions are asked to locate the exact leaf. Once the leaf is located they ask you to wait. After some time they come with a note book claiming to be the translation of the leaf. Then they translate to you in simple Tamil claiming that the horoscope was written long ago and they are just reading it.

First they take the thumb impression which is not necessary. They bring a bunch of leaves which a common man cannot understand. On the pretext of searching the leaves they put questions. To my surprise they extracted information of my date of birth nakshatra and time. They are so fast and experienced that common man cannot guess it. Then they ask questions like does your father name start from ka kha gh gha na and so on. They ask you to answer yes or no. But this is a simple trick to retrieve your personal information which I can do it myself. Once the required information is collected, they claim the leaf is found. They read out your name, father’s name

mother’s name

etc. They tell your nakshatra and tell you to come after some time. If you notice that they do not record the first part of question and answers. One more method to expose them is that once they confirm that your leaf has been retrieved; ask them to tell the names of your children. They will not be able to tell because you have not revealed it.

Next time you go please record without their knowledge the first part (Question and answers) and listen. You will be surprised that unknowingly you have given the information they require. Now with the date of birth and time they can easily draw the chart with the planetary positions. As an astrologer they start giving predictions. Being a student of astrology I was able to find out. To test them, I asked them about my marriage. He told me it will happen within one year. I told them that I am not interested in marriage. So he advised me that the option is left to me. Now if it was written by

agastya

he should have told me with authority that I will marry. By giving the option to me it is very clear that no Rishis has written about my horoscope and they are just plain astrologers. That is the reason why people tell me that they told my past correctly but my future predictions went wrong

But at the same time I respect their knowledge in astrology.

There was an article about a nadi astrologer arrested in Mohali few years back. Since my experience was similar I wish to share this article. Just follow the links

http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/articleshow/ 45602.cms

But again when I explained this theory to my dear friends they argue that there are fraud nadis also. If any one can give me address of any genuine Nadis please mail me the details.

Thanks and regards

Girish

..

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinismancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, January 22, 2010, 5:29 AM

Today I had a distinguised couple as my guests for Lunch. that gentleman had visited Poona to some August Rishi nadi, and seems that he got a Audio CD from them as predictions after he gave them his thumb print,and eh says that everyword from it came true in that CD, so much so that the Audio CD mentioned that his wife would develop sugar problems 3 months back, which she actually did. The CD also gave names of his family members what they could be etc.... (He asked me to listen to the CD but as usual I am busy and declined)But this same gentlemans predictions for his daughter did not come true, it seems when she gave her thumbprint.. .so the question mark remains..... that at times it is very good and at times bogus....regards,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh <devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Dev JI,> > I do have great

respect for All seniors/non seniors,It is pleasure > anybody share/discuss something as far as anybody do not take that > personal else worth after that.> > ------------ ------> Regards,> Devisingh> > axeplex wrote:> > > >> > Dear Debiji,> >> > Can I put my views? Some parts are definitely required to be changed > > but preamble is same. I mean if Nadi reading says the following period > > shall be bad. It may be bad but not exactly as interpreted by reader.> >> > regds> > Dev> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, devisigh > > <devisingh.rajput@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh JI,> > >> > > Below

is

my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under> > > study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.> > >> > > Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used> > > extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same> > > technique without modification can not works as it was used in older> > > time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/ piller can not> > > change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure after> > > some more time.> > >> > > -would like to have your comments> > > ------------ ------> > > Regards,> > > Devisingh> > >> > > Sreenadh OG wrote:> > > >> > > > [Attachment( s) <#TopText> from

Sreenadh OG included

below]> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is> > > > available at:> > > > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm-

Leaf-NadiHorosco

pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism> > >> > > > > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism>>> > > > Love and Regards,> > >

>

*Sreenadh*> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Manojji,

 

Wish I could believe it, but " Dil hai ke maanta nahin " . In my case, when I

visited Nadi 10 years back, He gave me in writing " what was written on leave " in

a notebook. It is Tamil poetry, as confirmed by one of my Tamil friends and

difficult to understand even by one who knows Tamil. Such type of poetry can not

be written in 25 minutes that Reader took after finding my leave. He wrote in a

very good handwriting without any error for 8-10 pages.

 

Yes, there are frauds. My another experiece with another Nadi reader has been

totally bad. But, it is in every field.

 

regds

Dev

 

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Girish Ji And ALL,

>

> You are partially correct.  I know how it works, I have seen it work with my

own eyes. Here is how it works: There are several modalities:

>

> 1. There are some families who have done great Pujas/Austerities what ever you

might call for Eons and Generations to certain Dieties. Now some people dismiss

them as " Tamasic Dieties "  BUT NOT all of them are " Tamasic " . There are Satvic

Dieties also. These Satvic families have been learning this trade from Father to

Son. As soon as they get to Puberty, the learning starts. Only Men/Boys

can learn this, Women are forbidden from this. By sincere prayers and constant

Repetition of the Mantras for the Diety, they gain the favour of such Dieties.

Then the flood gates open. They have been passed on by their Forefathers some

(note a very very few) Palm Leafs that " Act as Instruments for these

Dieties/Beings to communicate with our world. This is what the Westerners call

" Automatic Writing " .

>

> Once you go in to the Nadi place, they get your thumb print and they Go

inside --- and they start their prayers and start repeating the Mantra. They

carry with them :

>

> a) The REAL Palm leafs that are needed for Automatic Writing

> b) Several Ancient Palm leafs that have some old writings NOTHING TO DO WITH

PREDICTIONS. This is just a facade to make you believe they are thumbing through

several leaves.

>

> Then the dance begins. The " Entity " starts emptying info about YOU on the

" Leaf " . The Entity has to " SEARCH " the database in the Astral Plane (Let us call

it Akashic Records (AR) for convenience) that matches you. Since the Entity

is Not Perfect (only GOD is perfect), it does so by trial and error. BUT when

it GETS your " AR " , boy you are in for a nice Ride, because it is going to

predict some events that you have NO HOPE of changing.

>

> 2. Seing how these " Original " families are " minting money " several other

families have joined the Fun by invoking " Tamasic " Deities of various origins (a

famous one being Karna Pisacha). Dealing with these Deities is a dangerous

game. The Modus Operandi is similar, BUT MOST of these Deities " Whisper " the

information in the Ears of the Nadi Practitioner. Once again he shifts through

the Nadi leaves to Fake you out, while infact  " Listening closely " to the

" entity whispering in his Ears " .

>

> These Entities have much lower " Success " Rate but can correctly predict

Events going to happen within Next Year of so (IF they are pleased with the Nadi

Practitioner). If NOT they can give him wrong information and in some cases

Haunt him through his Sleep, resulting in Sleep Deprivation and Suicide. One

Nadi astrologer my friend knew poured Kerosene and set himself on Fire unable to

handle this Entity.

>

> 3. Now if it so happens (either by case 1 or 2) that the Nadi Person is

unable to gather much info from the Diety, what he does is gather your Moon

sign. These Deities seem to be able to easily determine the Day of Birth. Time

and Place are harder. So in such situaions the Nadi Person uses his rudimentary

Knowledge of Astrology to predict some thing (that invariably is a bunch of BS).

>

> 4. It can also happen that the " Entity " only gives him one or two Major events

that are going to happen. So now you will not be satisfied as a customer to just

know 2 Events. So in such cases also the Nadi Astrologer " Fills IN " with

his rudimentary astro knowledge (primarily using Ju/Sa transits).

>

> Some General Comments:

>

> a) The older you are, the more accurate the Readings can be: Why? There is

more " STuff " in your Akashic Records and so it is easier to Identify you.

> b) Corollary to the above, I challenge any one to take a 2 year old or 4 year

old child and ask them to give the READING. Cannot happen: Why? Not much info

in the AR. On the other hand, if they were just astrologers, what is the

problem? They could predict.

>

> Final Warning: If some one is unable to handle the BRUTAL Truth, Please Stay

AWAY from Nadi Readings. One of my Best Friends was told that his Father

will  " Lose his Legs "  and a range of 2 years was given. My Friend kept this

info away from his Father (and rightly so). 14 years later (within about 1 year

of the predicted Time Frame) it happened. He was in a bad vehicle accident and

they had to amputate his Left Leg. Some things in LIFE CANNOT be changed. THAT

is a difficult thing for intelligent minds to accept, but it is the truth.

>

> Regards,

>  -Manoj

>  

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Girish menon <horamag

>

> Fri, January 22, 2010 7:05:23 AM

> Re: Re:

Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoros\

copes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism

>

>  

> Dear Bhaskar ji

> I did some research on these nadi leaves

>

> I have visited few  Nadi Astrologers in Tamil Nadu. They claim that our

horoscopes were written By Agastya centuries back is totally false. They are

basically astrologers whose predictions are based on your date of birth and

time. Then the chart is drawn and predictions are given on the basis of

planetary positions.

>  

> I will first explain the procedure these nadi astrologers adopt.

> First they take yourthumb impression and based on that they pick up a bunch of

leaves written in ancient Tamil. Then personal questions are asked to locate the

exact leaf. Once the leaf is located they ask you to wait. After some time they

come with a note book claiming to be the translation of the leaf. Then they

translate to you in simple Tamil claiming that the horoscope was written long

ago and they are just reading it.

>  

> First they take the thumb impression which is not necessary. They bring a

bunch of leaves which a common man cannot understand. On the pretext of

searching the leaves they put questions. To my surprise they extracted

information of my date of birth nakshatra and time. They are so fast and

experienced that common man cannot guess it. Then they ask questions like does

your father name start from ka kha gh gha na and so on. They ask you to answer

yes or no. But this is a simple trick to retrieve your personal information

which I can do it myself. Once the required information is collected, they claim

the leaf is found. They read out your name, father’s name mother’s name etc.

They tell your nakshatra and tell you to come after some time. If you notice

that they do not record the first part of question and answers. One more method

to expose them is that once they confirm that your leaf has been retrieved; ask

them to tell the names of your children. They

> will not be able to tell because you have not revealed it.

>   Next time you go please record without their knowledge the first part

(Question and answers) and listen. You will be surprised that unknowingly you

have given the information they require. Now with the date of birth and time

they can easily draw the chart with the planetary positions. As an astrologer

they start giving predictions. Being a student of astrology I was able to find

out. To test them, I asked them about my marriage. He told me it will happen

within one year. I told them that I am not interested in marriage. So he advised

me that the option is left to me. Now if it was written by agastya he should

have told me with authority that I will marry. By giving the option to me it is

very clear that no Rishis has written about my horoscope and they are just plain

astrologers. That is the reason why people tell me that they told my past

correctly but my future predictions went wrong

>   But at the same time I respect their knowledge in astrology.

>   There was an article about a nadi astrologer arrested in  Mohali few years

back. Since my experience was similar I wish to share this article. Just follow

the links

> http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/articleshow/ 45602.cms

> But again when I explained this theory to my dear friends they argue that

there are fraud nadis also. If any one can give me address of any genuine Nadis

please mail me the details.

> Thanks and regards

> Girish

>  

> .

>  

>

> --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

>

>

> >Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Investigations- on-the-Authentic

ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question-

of-Will-Versus- Determinism

> >ancient_indian_ astrology

> >Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:29 AM

> >

> >

> > 

> >Today I had a distinguised couple as my guests for Lunch. that gentleman had

visited Poona to some August Rishi nadi, and seems that he got a Audio CD from

them as predictions after he gave them his thumb print,and eh says that

everyword from it came true in that CD, so much so that the Audio CD mentioned

that his wife would develop sugar problems 3 months back, which she actually

did. The CD also gave names of his family members what they could be etc.... (He

asked me to listen to the CD but as usual I am busy and declined)

> >

> >But this same gentlemans predictions for his daughter did not come true, it

seems when she gave her thumbprint.. .

> >

> >so the question mark remains..... that at times it is very good and at times

bogus....

> >

> >regards,

> >Bhaskar.

> >

> >ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh

<devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Dev JI,

> >>

> >> I do have great respect for All seniors/non seniors,It is pleasure

> >> anybody share/discuss something as far as anybody do not take that

> >> personal else worth after that.

> >>

> >> ------------ ------

> >> Regards,

> >> Devisingh

> >>

> >> axeplex wrote:

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Dear Debiji,

> >> >

> >> > Can I put my views? Some parts are definitely required to be changed

> >> > but preamble is same. I mean if Nadi reading says the following period

> >> > shall be bad. It may be bad but not exactly as interpreted by reader.

> >> >

> >> > regds

> >> > Dev

> >> >

> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> >> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, devisigh

> >> > <devisingh.rajput@ > wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > Dear Sreenadh JI,

> >> > >

> >> > > Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under

> >> > > study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.

> >> > >

> >> > > Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used

> >> > > extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same

> >> > > technique without modification can not works as it was used in older

> >> > > time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/ piller can not

> >> > > change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure after

> >> > > some more time.

> >> > >

> >> > > -would like to have your comments

> >> > > ------------ ------

> >> > > Regards,

> >> > > Devisingh

> >> > >

> >> > > Sreenadh OG wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > [Attachment( s) <#TopText> from Sreenadh OG included below]

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Dear All,

> >> > > > Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is

> >> > > > available at:

> >> > > >

> >> > http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic

ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question-

of-Will-Versus- Determinism

> >> > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic

ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question-

of-Will-Versus- Determinism>

> >> >

> >> > > >

> >> > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic

ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question-

of-Will-Versus- Determinism

> >> > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic

ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question-

of-Will-Versus- Determinism>>

> >> > > > Love and Regards,

> >> > > > *Sreenadh*

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > >

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj ji,

As per my current understanding the 'technique' behind 'name telling' (not

other things) is an intelligent questioning technique developed through the ages

that depends on the mere 35 alphabets possibility of Tamil and intelligent

classification of names. But may be that I am totally wrong is assigning this to

the WHOLE 'name telling' exercise and it is possible that they are using it ONLY

to CONFIRM one or two names and the remaining they are getting from the leaf

itself.

But I am CERTAIN that the above TECHNIQUE (of intelligent classification of

names and alphabets to identify the name through a few questions) they are using

for SURE.

Note: Anyway I don't know that this " Automatic Writing " is. I think the approach

used by nadi astrologers and palm leafs could be more LOGICAL and NON-SPIRITUAL.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh Ji, Devisingh Ji,

>

> The Nadi astrology that is described in the article sent by Sreenadh Ji is

NOT astrology at all. THAT is why it can be 100% accurate (some times). No REAL

Astrologer, however talented can tell you what the  " name of your future wife is

going to be " . There is a simple and true explanation for this " phenomenon " . I

wish these researchers are contacted me before wasting their time:

>

> It is called ..... " Automatic Writing " . It is a phenomenon where departed

spirits from  a different plane " Automatically Write " on these Palm Leaves. It

can be done several diffrent ways. The Major events in life that cannot be

changed, will happen 100%. The other events may or may not occur depending on

free will. Also visibility of events beyond the 2-3 year point (unless it is a

Major event) is marginal at best. Any one interested can look at the archives

when me and Bhaskar Ji shared our experiences regarding this phenomenon.

>

> Regards,

>  -Manoj

>  

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> devisigh <devisingh.rajput

>

> Thu, January 21, 2010 1:39:43 AM

> Re:

Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoros\

copes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism

>

>  

> Dear Sreenadh JI,

>

> Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under study

for last)related to Naadi Leaf.

>

> Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used extensively for

correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same technique without modification

can not works as it was used in older time.so untill some one try to get

essence/foundation/ piller can not change/modify this system so seems that this

will die for sure after some more time.

>

> -would like to have your comments

> ------------ ------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> Sreenadh OG wrote:

>  

> >

> >Dear All,

> >  Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is available

at: http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic

ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question-

of-Will-Versus- Determinism

> >Love and Regards,

> >

> >Sreenadh

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dev ji,

Me to visited a nadi astrologer and the name of my wife was also given, but it

didn't match even a bit. Even though he successfully told the name of my

father,mother, me etc. (I had consulted using a false name, but he told my

actual name). I think that the credit for the same goes to the perfected

questioning technique (at least for the prime part of it).

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:

>

> Dear Manoj ji,

>

> Would like to share my personal experience when I visited Nadi astrologer

before marriage. I was given overview of my would be wife's name in terms of

number of letters and some starting and ending combinations. My wife name is

exactly within that overview. I don't know astrologically how it can be

calcualted?

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> , Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh Ji, Devisingh Ji,

> >

> > The Nadi astrology that is described in the article sent by Sreenadh Ji is

NOT astrology at all. THAT is why it can be 100% accurate (some times). No REAL

Astrologer, however talented can tell you what the  " name of your future wife is

going to be " . There is a simple and true explanation for this " phenomenon " . I

wish these researchers are contacted me before wasting their time:

> >

> > It is called ..... " Automatic Writing " . It is a phenomenon where departed

spirits from  a different plane " Automatically Write " on these Palm Leaves. It

can be done several diffrent ways. The Major events in life that cannot be

changed, will happen 100%. The other events may or may not occur depending on

free will. Also visibility of events beyond the 2-3 year point (unless it is a

Major event) is marginal at best. Any one interested can look at the archives

when me and Bhaskar Ji shared our experiences regarding this phenomenon.

> >

> > Regards,

> >  -Manoj

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > devisigh <devisingh.rajput@>

> >

> > Thu, January 21, 2010 1:39:43 AM

> > Re:

Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoros\

copes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism

> >

> >  

> > Dear Sreenadh JI,

> >

> > Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under

study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.

> >

> > Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used extensively

for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same technique without

modification can not works as it was used in older time.so untill some one try

to get essence/foundation/ piller can not change/modify this system so seems

that this will die for sure after some more time.

> >

> > -would like to have your comments

> > ------------ ------

> > Regards,

> > Devisingh

> >

> > Sreenadh OG wrote:

> >  

> > >

> > >Dear All,

> > >  Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is available

at: http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic

ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question-

of-Will-Versus- Determinism

> > >Love and Regards,

> > >

> > >Sreenadh

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Girish ji,

* There are many genuine nadi texts the prints of which are available and

published by Madras Manuscript library - This is TURTH.

* Tanjavur (the Birth place of tamil nadi system) based nadi astrologers argue

that they got the nadi texts from Sarasvati Mahal Library - This is a LIE.

Saravsvati Mahal library does not have to do anything with said Nadi leaves.

* It is notable that the navagraha temple ascribed to Mars (significator of

treachery and lie) is in Tanjavooor. It is also notable that " most of the nadi

astrologers in Tanjavoor DO NOT have a palm leaf collection at all! Pointing to

the fact that most of them are cheaters but definitely does have a good mastery

over the questioning technique. - This is TRUTH

Separating wheat from chaff seems to be a difficult act in this area - as long

as some sincere modern day astro scholar directly dives into this subject to

master it and then reveal facts 'as is' to the society (which is yet to happen).

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

 

, Girish menon <horamag

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

> I did some research on these nadi leaves

>

>

>

>

> I have

> visited few  Nadi Astrologers

> in Tamil Nadu. They claim that our horoscopes were written By Agastya

centuries

> back is totally false. They are basically astrologers whose predictions are

> based on your date of birth and time. Then the chart is drawn and predictions

> are given on the basis of planetary positions.

>

>  

>

>

> I will

> first explain the procedure these nadi astrologers adopt.

>

> First they

> take your thumb impression and based on that they pick up a bunch

> of leaves written in ancient Tamil. Then personal questions are asked to

locate

> the exact leaf. Once the leaf is located they ask you to wait. After some time

> they come with a note book claiming to be the translation of the

> leaf. Then they translate to you in simple Tamil claiming that the horoscope

> was written long ago and they are just reading it.

>

>  

>

>

> First they

> take the thumb impression which is not necessary. They bring a bunch of leaves

> which a common man cannot understand. On the pretext of searching the leaves

> they put questions. To my surprise they extracted information of my date of

> birth nakshatra

> and time. They are so fast and experienced that common man cannot guess it.

Then

> they ask questions like does your father name start from ka kha gh gha na and

> so on. They ask you to answer yes or no. But this is a simple trick to

retrieve

> your personal information which I can do it myself. Once the required

> information is collected, they claim the leaf is found. They read out your

> name, father’s name mother’s name etc. They tell your nakshatra and tell

you to

> come after some time. If you notice that they do not record the first part of

> question and answers. One more method to expose them is that once they confirm

> that your leaf has been retrieved; ask them to tell the names of your

children.

> They will not be able to tell because you have not revealed it.

>

>  

> Next time you go please record

> without their knowledge the first part (Question and answers) and listen. You

> will be surprised that unknowingly you have given the information they

require.

> Now with the date of birth and time they can easily draw the chart with the

> planetary positions. As an astrologer they start giving predictions. Being a

> student of astrology

> I was able to find out. To test them, I asked them about my marriage. He told

me

> it will happen within one year. I told them that I am not interested in

> marriage. So he advised me that the option is left to me. Now if it was

written

> by agastya he should have told me with authority that I will

> marry. By giving the option to me it is very clear that no Rishis has written

> about my horoscope and they are just plain astrologers. That is the

> reason why people tell me that they told my past correctly but my future

> predictions went wrong

>

>  

> But at the same time I respect

> their knowledge in astrology.

>

>  

> There was an article about a

> nadi astrologer arrested in  Mohali few years back. Since my experience

> was similar I wish to share this article. Just follow the links

>

> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/45602.cms

>

>

> But

> again when I explained this theory to my dear friends they argue that there

are

> fraud nadis also. If any one can give me address of any genuine Nadis please

> mail me the details.

>

> Thanks

> and regards

>

> Girish

>

>  

>

> .

>

>  

>

>

>

> --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

> Re:

Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoros\

copes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism

>

> Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:29 AM

>

 

>

>

>

Today I had a distinguised couple as my guests for Lunch. that gentleman

had visited Poona to some August Rishi nadi, and seems that he got a Audio CD

from them as predictions after he gave them his thumb print,and eh says that

everyword from it came true in that CD, so much so that the Audio CD mentioned

that his wife would develop sugar problems 3 months back, which she actually

did. The CD also gave names of his family members what they could be etc.... (He

asked me to listen to the CD but as usual I am busy and declined)

>

>

>

> But this same gentlemans predictions for his daughter did not come true, it

seems when she gave her thumbprint.. .

>

>

>

> so the question mark remains..... that at times it is very good and at times

bogus....

>

>

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh

<devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Dev JI,

>

> >

>

> > I do have great respect for All seniors/non seniors,It is pleasure

>

> > anybody share/discuss something as far as anybody do not take that

>

> > personal else worth after that.

>

> >

>

> > ------------ ------

>

> > Regards,

>

> > Devisingh

>

> >

>

> > axeplex wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Debiji,

>

> > >

>

> > > Can I put my views? Some parts are definitely required to be changed

>

> > > but preamble is same. I mean if Nadi reading says the following period

>

> > > shall be bad. It may be bad but not exactly as interpreted by reader.

>

> > >

>

> > > regds

>

> > > Dev

>

> > >

>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, devisigh

>

> > > <devisingh.rajput@ > wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Dear Sreenadh JI,

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under

>

> > > > study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used

>

> > > > extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same

>

> > > > technique without modification can not works as it was used in older

>

> > > > time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/ piller can not

>

> > > > change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure after

>

> > > > some more time.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > -would like to have your comments

>

> > > > ------------ ------

>

> > > > Regards,

>

> > > > Devisingh

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Sreenadh OG wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > [Attachment( s) <#TopText> from Sreenadh OG included below]

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Dear All,

>

> > > > > Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is

>

> > > > > available at:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic

ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question-

of-Will-Versus- Determinism

>

> > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic

ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question-

of-Will-Versus- Determinism>

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic

ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question-

of-Will-Versus- Determinism

>

> > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic

ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question-

of-Will-Versus- Determinism>>

>

> > > > > Love and Regards,

>

> > > > > *Sreenadh*

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji,//Separating wheat from chaff seems to be a difficult act in this area - as long

as some sincere modern day astro scholar directly dives into this subject to

master it and then reveal facts 'as is' to the society (which is yet to happen).//Yes i agree with you.But it is said that these guys have to pass it on to somebody else before they die.It is a dictum i understand.Many reasons were given for that aswell one of them being that it should not get into unscrupulous hands.Love and regards,gopi. , "sreesog" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Girish ji,> * There are many genuine nadi texts the prints of which are available and published by Madras Manuscript library - This is TURTH.> * Tanjavur (the Birth place of tamil nadi system) based nadi astrologers argue that they got the nadi texts from Sarasvati Mahal Library - This is a LIE. Saravsvati Mahal library does not have to do anything with said Nadi leaves.> * It is notable that the navagraha temple ascribed to Mars (significator of treachery and lie) is in Tanjavooor. It is also notable that "most of the nadi astrologers in Tanjavoor DO NOT have a palm leaf collection at all! Pointing to the fact that most of them are cheaters but definitely does have a good mastery over the questioning technique. - This is TRUTH> Separating wheat from chaff seems to be a difficult act in this area - as long as some sincere modern day astro scholar directly dives into this subject to master it and then reveal facts 'as is' to the society (which is yet to happen).> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > > , Girish menon horamag@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar ji> > I did some research on these nadi leaves > > > > > > > > > > I have> > visited few  Nadi Astrologers> > in Tamil Nadu. They claim that our horoscopes were written By Agastya centuries> > back is totally false. They are basically astrologers whose predictions are> > based on your date of birth and time. Then the chart is drawn and predictions> > are given on the basis of planetary positions. > > > >  > > > > > > I will> > first explain the procedure these nadi astrologers adopt. > > > > First they> > take your thumb impression and based on that they pick up a bunch> > of leaves written in ancient Tamil. Then personal questions are asked to locate> > the exact leaf. Once the leaf is located they ask you to wait. After some time> > they come with a note book claiming to be the translation of the> > leaf. Then they translate to you in simple Tamil claiming that the horoscope> > was written long ago and they are just reading it. > > > >  > > > > > > First they> > take the thumb impression which is not necessary. They bring a bunch of leaves> > which a common man cannot understand. On the pretext of searching the leaves> > they put questions. To my surprise they extracted information of my date of> > birth nakshatra> > and time. They are so fast and experienced that common man cannot guess it. Then> > they ask questions like does your father name start from ka kha gh gha na and> > so on. They ask you to answer yes or no. But this is a simple trick to retrieve> > your personal information which I can do it myself. Once the required> > information is collected, they claim the leaf is found. They read out your> > name, father’s name mother’s name etc. They tell your nakshatra and tell you to> > come after some time. If you notice that they do not record the first part of> > question and answers. One more method to expose them is that once they confirm> > that your leaf has been retrieved; ask them to tell the names of your children.> > They will not be able to tell because you have not revealed it. > > > >  > > Next time you go please record> > without their knowledge the first part (Question and answers) and listen. You> > will be surprised that unknowingly you have given the information they require.> > Now with the date of birth and time they can easily draw the chart with the> > planetary positions. As an astrologer they start giving predictions. Being a> > student of astrology> > I was able to find out. To test them, I asked them about my marriage. He told me> > it will happen within one year. I told them that I am not interested in> > marriage. So he advised me that the option is left to me. Now if it was written> > by agastya he should have told me with authority that I will> > marry. By giving the option to me it is very clear that no Rishis has written> > about my horoscope and they are just plain astrologers. That is the> > reason why people tell me that they told my past correctly but my future> > predictions went wrong > > > >  > > But at the same time I respect> > their knowledge in astrology. > > > >  > > There was an article about a> > nadi astrologer arrested in Mohali few years back. Since my experience> > was similar I wish to share this article. Just follow the links > > > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/45602.cms> > > > > > But> > again when I explained this theory to my dear friends they argue that there are> > fraud nadis also. If any one can give me address of any genuine Nadis please> > mail me the details.> > > > Thanks> > and regards> > > > Girish> > > >  > > > > . > > > >  > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > Re: Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism> > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:29 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today I had a distinguised couple as my guests for Lunch. that gentleman had visited Poona to some August Rishi nadi, and seems that he got a Audio CD from them as predictions after he gave them his thumb print,and eh says that everyword from it came true in that CD, so much so that the Audio CD mentioned that his wife would develop sugar problems 3 months back, which she actually did. The CD also gave names of his family members what they could be etc.... (He asked me to listen to the CD but as usual I am busy and declined)> > > > > > > > But this same gentlemans predictions for his daughter did not come true, it seems when she gave her thumbprint.. .> > > > > > > > so the question mark remains..... that at times it is very good and at times bogus....> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh <devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dev JI,> > > > > > > > > > I do have great respect for All seniors/non seniors,It is pleasure > > > > > anybody share/discuss something as far as anybody do not take that > > > > > personal else worth after that.> > > > > > > > > > ------------ ------> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Devisingh> > > > > > > > > > axeplex wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Debiji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Can I put my views? Some parts are definitely required to be changed > > > > > > but preamble is same. I mean if Nadi reading says the following period > > > > > > shall be bad. It may be bad but not exactly as interpreted by reader.> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, devisigh > > > > > > <devisingh.rajput@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh JI,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under> > > > > > > study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used> > > > > > > extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same> > > > > > > technique without modification can not works as it was used in older> > > > > > > time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/ piller can not> > > > > > > change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure after> > > > > > > some more time.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -would like to have your comments> > > > > > > ------------ ------> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Devisingh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sreenadh OG wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > [Attachment( s) <#TopText> from Sreenadh OG included below]> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is> > > > > > > > available at:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism > > > > > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism > > > > > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism>>> > > > > > > > Love and Regards,> > > > > > > > *Sreenadh*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Girish ji,//> I have> visited few  Nadi Astrologers> in Tamil Nadu. They claim that our horoscopes were written By Agastya centuries>

back is totally false.// Yes, this should be true. I too believe the same and have similar experience. //They are basically astrologers whose predictions are> based on your date of birth and time. Then the chart is drawn and predictions>

are given on the basis of planetary positions. // This is true only regarding the future predictions which are given based on TRANSIT (especially of Jupiter). Most of these nadi astrologers, even though WELL TRAINED in the techniques (such as questioning etc) they use, is or may not be good astrologers. Most possibly they are well-versed in the TECHNIQUES they use but NOT in general astrology. //> First they take the thumb impression which is not necessary. // This is not true. Based on thumb impression ALONE they are able to successfully arrive at the 60 year cycle year on which the native took birth. This is truly amazing! When I visited a nadi astrologer, the first reading (before any questions) he gave me was my exact year of birth based on my thumb impression alone! This is an area that needs real research, which could turn out much informative.//They bring a bunch of leaves> which a common man cannot understand.// True. And most of these leaves are not original and not written in any traditional script like grandha lipi. In most cases the leaves would be just a tool to cheat the customer, and most of those nadi astrologers don't have a palm leaf collection at all! //On the pretext of searching the leaves> they put questions. To my

surprise they extracted information of my date of> birth nakshatra> and time. They are so fast and experienced that common

man cannot guess it. Then> they ask questions like does your father name start from ka kha gh gha na and> so on. They ask you to answer yes or no. But this is a simple trick to retrieve> your

personal information which I can do it myself. Once the required>

information is collected, they claim the leaf is found. They read out your> name, father’s name mother’s name etc. They tell your nakshatra and tell you to> come after some time. If you notice that they do not record the first part of> question and answers. // EXACT! You got it! Me too has the same opinion. :)//One more method to expose them is that once they confirm> that your leaf has been retrieved; ask them to tell the names of your children.> They will not be able to tell because you have not revealed it. // No! They will tell you a story and give you some clues regarding your children's name (which will never come true) , because they know for sure that it cannot be verified at that time (if it is regarding future children). If you had already revealed that you have children, then definitely they would have collected that information as well and told you the name of your children. :)//> Next time you go please record> without their knowledge the first part (Question and answers) and listen. You> will be surprised that unknowingly you have given the information they require.>

Now with the date of birth and time they can easily draw the chart with

the> planetary positions. As an astrologer they start giving predictions. Being a> student of astrology> I was able to find out. To test them, I asked them about my marriage. He told me>

it will happen within one year. I told them that I am not interested in>

marriage. So he advised me that the option is left to me. Now if it was

written> by agastya he should have told me with authority that I

will> marry. By giving the option to me it is very clear that no

Rishis has written> about my horoscope and they are just plain astrologers. That is the> reason why people tell me that they told my past correctly but my future> predictions went wrong // I enjoyed it, and agree with it. :)//> But at the same time I respect> their knowledge in astrology. // Yes, me too. I appreciate the mastery they have in the techniques they use!!! It is truly wonderful! Love and regards,Sreenadh , senthil nathan <jpshelters wrote:>> Girish ji I agree with you. 99% nadi readers are great astrologers.I had the same experience in Vaitheeswarankoil in tamilnad where lot of nadi astrologers are available..> > Senthil > > > --- On Fri, 22/1/10, Girish menon horamag wrote:> > Girish menon horamag Re: Re: Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism> > Friday, 22 January, 2010, 7:35 PM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji> I did some research on these nadi leaves > > > I have> visited few  Nadi Astrologers> in Tamil Nadu. They claim that our horoscopes were written By Agastya centuries> back is totally false. They are basically astrologers whose predictions are> based on your date of birth and time. Then the chart is drawn and predictions> are given on the basis of planetary positions. > >  > > > I will> first explain the procedure these nadi astrologers adopt. > > First they> take your thumb impression and based on that they pick up a bunch> of leaves written in ancient Tamil. Then personal questions are asked to locate> the exact leaf. Once the leaf is located they ask you to wait. After some time> they come with a note book claiming to be the translation of the> leaf. Then they translate to you in simple Tamil claiming that the horoscope> was written long ago and they are just reading it. > >  > > > First they> take the thumb impression which is not necessary. They bring a bunch of leaves> which a common man cannot understand. On the pretext of searching the leaves> they put questions. To my surprise they extracted information of my date of> birth nakshatra> and time. They are so fast and experienced that common man cannot guess it. Then> they ask questions like does your father name start from ka kha gh gha na and> so on. They ask you to answer yes or no. But this is a simple trick to retrieve> your personal information which I can do it myself. Once the required> information is collected, they claim the leaf is found. They read out your> name, father’s name mother’s name etc. They tell your nakshatra and tell you to> come after some time. If you notice that they do not record the first part of> question and answers. One more method to expose them is that once they confirm> that your leaf has been retrieved; ask them to tell the names of your children.> They will not be able to tell because you have not revealed it. > >  > Next time you go please record> without their knowledge the first part (Question and answers) and listen. You> will be surprised that unknowingly you have given the information they require.> Now with the date of birth and time they can easily draw the chart with the> planetary positions. As an astrologer they start giving predictions. Being a> student of astrology> I was able to find out. To test them, I asked them about my marriage. He told me> it will happen within one year. I told them that I am not interested in> marriage. So he advised me that the option is left to me. Now if it was written> by agastya he should have told me with authority that I will> marry. By giving the option to me it is very clear that no Rishis has written> about my horoscope and they are just plain astrologers. That is the> reason why people tell me that they told my past correctly but my future> predictions went wrong > >  > But at the same time I respect> their knowledge in astrology. > >  > There was an article about a> nadi astrologer arrested in Mohali few years back. Since my experience> was similar I wish to share this article. Just follow the links > > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/articleshow/ 45602.cms> > > But> again when I explained this theory to my dear friends they argue that there are> fraud nadis also. If any one can give me address of any genuine Nadis please> mail me the details.> > Thanks> and regards> > Girish > >  > > . > >  > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:29 AM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Today I had a distinguised couple as my guests for Lunch. that gentleman had visited Poona to some August Rishi nadi, and seems that he got a Audio CD from them as predictions after he gave them his thumb print,and eh says that everyword from it came true in that CD, so much so that the Audio CD mentioned that his wife would develop sugar problems 3 months back, which she actually did. The CD also gave names of his family members what they could be etc.... (He asked me to listen to the CD but as usual I am busy and declined)> > > > But this same gentlemans predictions for his daughter did not come true, it seems when she gave her thumbprint.. .> > > > so the question mark remains..... that at times it is very good and at times bogus....> > > > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh <devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dev JI,> > > > > > I do have great respect for All seniors/non seniors,It is pleasure > > > anybody share/discuss something as far as anybody do not take that > > > personal else worth after that.> > > > > > ------------ ------> > > Regards,> > > Devisingh> > > > > > axeplex wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > Dear Debiji,> > > >> > > > Can I put my views? Some parts are definitely required to be changed > > > > but preamble is same. I mean if Nadi reading says the following period > > > > shall be bad. It may be bad but not exactly as interpreted by reader.> > > >> > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, devisigh > > > > <devisingh.rajput@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh JI,> > > > >> > > > > Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under> > > > > study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.> > > > >> > > > > Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used> > > > > extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same> > > > > technique without modification can not works as it was used in older> > > > > time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/ piller can not> > > > > change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure after> > > > > some more time.> > > > >> > > > > -would like to have your comments> > > > > ------------ ------> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Devisingh> > > > >> > > > > Sreenadh OG wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > [Attachment( s) <#TopText> from Sreenadh OG included below]> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is> > > > > > available at:> > > > > > > > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism > > > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism > > > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism>>> > > > > > Love and Regards,> > > > > > *Sreenadh*> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Dear Sreenadh jiWhen I visited a nadi

astrologer, the first reading (before any questions) he gave me was my

exact year of birth based on my thumb impression alone! This is an area

that needs real research, which could turn out much informative.This is indeed amazing and as you said a proper study can be informative since thumb is unique for every individual. I have heard (Not seen) about some astrologers giving predictions purely based on thumb readings.RegardsGirish--- On Fri, 1/22/10, sreesog <sreesog wrote:sreesog <sreesog Re: Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-DeterminismTo:

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Dear Girish ji,//> I have> visited few  Nadi Astrologers> in Tamil Nadu. They claim that our horoscopes were written By Agastya centuries>

back is totally false.// Yes, this should be true. I too believe the same and have similar experience. //They are basically astrologers whose predictions are> based on your date of birth and time. Then the chart is drawn and predictions>

are given on the basis of planetary positions. // This is true only regarding the future predictions which are given based on TRANSIT (especially of Jupiter). Most of these nadi astrologers, even though WELL TRAINED in the techniques (such as questioning etc) they use, is or may not be good astrologers. Most possibly they are well-versed in the TECHNIQUES they use but NOT in general astrology. //> First they take the thumb impression which is not necessary. // This is not true. Based on thumb impression ALONE they are able to successfully arrive at the 60 year cycle year on which the native took birth. This is truly amazing! When I visited a nadi astrologer, the first reading (before any questions) he gave me was my exact year of birth based on my thumb impression alone! This is an area that needs real research, which could turn out much informative.//They bring a bunch of leaves> which a common man cannot understand./ / True. And most of these leaves are not original and not written in any traditional script like grandha lipi. In most cases the leaves would be just a tool to cheat the customer, and most of those nadi astrologers don't have a palm leaf collection at all! //On the pretext of searching the leaves> they put questions. To my

surprise they extracted information of my date of> birth nakshatra> and time. They are so fast and experienced that common

man cannot guess it. Then> they ask questions like does your father name start from ka kha gh gha na and> so on. They ask you to answer yes or no. But this is a simple trick to retrieve> your

personal information which I can do it myself. Once the required>

information is collected, they claim the leaf is found. They read out your> name, father’s name mother’s name etc. They tell your nakshatra and tell you to> come after some time. If you notice that they do not record the first part of> question and answers. // EXACT! You got it! Me too has the same opinion. :)//One more method to expose them is that once they confirm> that your leaf has been retrieved; ask them to tell the names of your children.> They will not be able to tell because you have not revealed it. // No! They will tell you a story and give you some clues regarding your children's name (which will never come true) , because they know for sure that it cannot be verified at that time (if it is regarding future children). If you had already revealed that you have children, then definitely they would have collected that information as well and told you the name of your children. :)//> Next time you go please record> without their knowledge the first part (Question and answers) and listen. You> will be surprised that unknowingly you have given the information they require.>

Now with the date of birth and time they can easily draw the chart with

the> planetary positions. As an astrologer they start giving predictions. Being a> student of astrology> I was able to find out. To test them, I asked them about my marriage. He told me>

it will happen within one year. I told them that I am not interested in>

marriage. So he advised me that the option is left to me. Now if it was

written> by agastya he should have told me with authority that I

will> marry. By giving the option to me it is very clear that no

Rishis has written> about my horoscope and they are just plain astrologers. That is the> reason why people tell me that they told my past correctly but my future> predictions went wrong // I enjoyed it, and agree with it. :)//> But at the same time I respect> their knowledge in astrology. // Yes, me too. I appreciate the mastery they have in the techniques they use!!! It is truly wonderful! Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, senthil nathan <jpshelters@. ..> wrote:>> Girish ji I agree with you. 99% nadi readers are great astrologers. I had the same experience in Vaitheeswarankoil in tamilnad where lot of nadi astrologers are available..> > Senthil > > > --- On Fri, 22/1/10, Girish menon horamag wrote:> > Girish menon horamag Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, 22 January, 2010, 7:35 PM> > > > >

> > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji> I did some research on these nadi leaves > > > I have> visited few  Nadi Astrologers> in Tamil Nadu. They claim that our horoscopes were written By Agastya centuries> back is totally false. They are basically astrologers whose predictions are> based on your date of birth and time. Then the chart is drawn and predictions> are given on the basis of planetary positions. > >  > > > I will> first explain the procedure these nadi astrologers adopt. > > First they> take your thumb impression and based on that they pick up a bunch> of leaves written in ancient Tamil. Then personal questions are asked to locate> the exact leaf. Once the leaf is

located they ask you to wait. After some time> they come with a note book claiming to be the translation of the> leaf. Then they translate to you in simple Tamil claiming that the horoscope> was written long ago and they are just reading it. > > Â > > > First they> take the thumb impression which is not necessary. They bring a bunch of leaves> which a common man cannot understand. On the pretext of searching the leaves> they put questions. To my surprise they extracted information of my date of> birth nakshatra> and time. They are so fast and experienced that common man cannot guess it. Then> they ask questions like does your father name start from ka kha gh gha na and> so on. They ask you to answer yes or no. But this is a simple trick to retrieve> your personal information which I can do it myself. Once the required>

information is collected, they claim the leaf is found. They read out your> name, father’s name mother’s name etc. They tell your nakshatra and tell you to> come after some time. If you notice that they do not record the first part of> question and answers. One more method to expose them is that once they confirm> that your leaf has been retrieved; ask them to tell the names of your children.> They will not be able to tell because you have not revealed it. > >  > Next time you go please record> without their knowledge the first part (Question and answers) and listen. You> will be surprised that unknowingly you have given the information they require.> Now with the date of birth and time they can easily draw the chart with the> planetary positions. As an astrologer they start giving predictions. Being a> student of astrology> I was able

to find out. To test them, I asked them about my marriage. He told me> it will happen within one year. I told them that I am not interested in> marriage. So he advised me that the option is left to me. Now if it was written> by agastya he should have told me with authority that I will> marry. By giving the option to me it is very clear that no Rishis has written> about my horoscope and they are just plain astrologers. That is the> reason why people tell me that they told my past correctly but my future> predictions went wrong > >  > But at the same time I respect> their knowledge in astrology. > >  > There was an article about a> nadi astrologer arrested in Mohali few years back. Since my experience> was similar I wish to share this article. Just follow the links > > http://timesofindia .indiatimes.

com/articleshow/ 45602.cms> > > But> again when I explained this theory to my dear friends they argue that there are> fraud nadis also. If any one can give me address of any genuine Nadis please> mail me the details.> > Thanks> and regards> > Girish > > Â > > . > > Â > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:29 AM> > > > > > > > Â >

> > > > > > Today I had a distinguised couple as my guests for Lunch. that gentleman had visited Poona to some August Rishi nadi, and seems that he got a Audio CD from them as predictions after he gave them his thumb print,and eh says that everyword from it came true in that CD, so much so that the Audio CD mentioned that his wife would develop sugar problems 3 months back, which she actually did. The CD also gave names of his family members what they could be etc.... (He asked me to listen to the CD but as usual I am busy and declined)> > > > But this same gentlemans predictions for his daughter did not come true, it seems when she gave her thumbprint.. .> > > > so the question mark remains..... that at times it is very good and at times bogus....> > > > regards,> > Bhaskar.> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh <devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dev JI,> > > > > > I do have great respect for All seniors/non seniors,It is pleasure > > > anybody share/discuss something as far as anybody do not take that > > > personal else worth after that.> > > > > > ------------ ------> > > Regards,> > > Devisingh> > > > > > axeplex wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > Dear Debiji,> > > >> > > > Can I put my views? Some parts are definitely required to be changed > > > > but preamble is same. I mean if Nadi reading says the following period > > > >

shall be bad. It may be bad but not exactly as interpreted by reader.> > > >> > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, devisigh > > > > <devisingh.rajput@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh JI,> > > > >> > > > > Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under> > > > > study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.> > > > >> > > > > Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used> > > > > extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same> > > >

> technique without modification can not works as it was used in older> > > > > time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/ piller can not> > > > > change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure after> > > > > some more time.> > > > >> > > > > -would like to have your comments> > > > > ------------ ------> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Devisingh> > > > >> > > > > Sreenadh OG wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > [Attachment( s) <#TopText> from Sreenadh OG included below]> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > Some of you might be

interested in the attached file which is> > > > > > available at:> > > > > > > > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism > > > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism > > > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm-

Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism>>> > > > > > Love and Regards,> > > > > > *Sreenadh*> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/>

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Dear Manoj ji,Congrats for a good writeup.Many people claim that they know what is NADI and even write books without truth.You gave the inside information correctly.Yes that's how it goes.I myself went to one in Chenni(tambaram) when i was working there.1st time he could not find my leaf.(so he said) and gave another appointment.When i went again he said he found it.The reading he gave was 90% wrong.But hebrought out the chart along with names.(Deities).//Some things in LIFE CANNOT be changed. THAT is a difficult thing for intelligent minds to accept, but it is the truth.//We have to accept Reality with Realistic mind(budhi),not with inteligent mind i suppose......Love and regards,gopi. , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Girish Ji And ALL,> > You are partially correct.  I know how it works, I have seen it work with my own eyes. Here is how it works: There are several modalities:> > 1. There are some families who have done great Pujas/Austerities what ever you might call for Eons and Generations to certain Dieties. Now some people dismiss them as "Tamasic Dieties" BUT NOT all of them are "Tamasic". There are Satvic Dieties also. These Satvic families have been learning this trade from Father to Son. As soon as they get to Puberty, the learning starts. Only Men/Boys can learn this, Women are forbidden from this. By sincere prayers and constant Repetition of the Mantras for the Diety, they gain the favour of such Dieties. Then the flood gates open. They have been passed on by their Forefathers some (note a very very few) Palm Leafs that "Act as Instruments for these Dieties/Beings to communicate with our world. This is what the Westerners call "Automatic Writing".> > Once you go in to the Nadi place, they get your thumb print and they Go inside --- and they start their prayers and start repeating the Mantra. They carry with them :> > a) The REAL Palm leafs that are needed for Automatic Writing> b) Several Ancient Palm leafs that have some old writings NOTHING TO DO WITH PREDICTIONS. This is just a facade to make you believe they are thumbing through several leaves.> > Then the dance begins. The "Entity" starts emptying info about YOU on the "Leaf". The Entity has to "SEARCH" the database in the Astral Plane (Let us call it Akashic Records (AR) for convenience) that matches you. Since the Entity is Not Perfect (only GOD is perfect), it does so by trial and error. BUT when it GETS your "AR", boy you are in for a nice Ride, because it is going to predict some events that you have NO HOPE of changing.> > 2. Seing how these "Original" families are "minting money" several other families have joined the Fun by invoking "Tamasic" Deities of various origins (a famous one being Karna Pisacha). Dealing with these Deities is a dangerous game. The Modus Operandi is similar, BUT MOST of these Deities "Whisper" the information in the Ears of the Nadi Practitioner. Once again he shifts through the Nadi leaves to Fake you out, while infact "Listening closely" to the "entity whispering in his Ears".> > These Entities have much lower "Success" Rate but can correctly predict Events going to happen within Next Year of so (IF they are pleased with the Nadi Practitioner). If NOT they can give him wrong information and in some cases Haunt him through his Sleep, resulting in Sleep Deprivation and Suicide. One Nadi astrologer my friend knew poured Kerosene and set himself on Fire unable to handle this Entity.> > 3. Now if it so happens (either by case 1 or 2) that the Nadi Person is unable to gather much info from the Diety, what he does is gather your Moon sign. These Deities seem to be able to easily determine the Day of Birth. Time and Place are harder. So in such situaions the Nadi Person uses his rudimentary Knowledge of Astrology to predict some thing (that invariably is a bunch of BS).> > 4. It can also happen that the "Entity" only gives him one or two Major events that are going to happen. So now you will not be satisfied as a customer to just know 2 Events. So in such cases also the Nadi Astrologer "Fills IN" with his rudimentary astro knowledge (primarily using Ju/Sa transits).> > Some General Comments:> > a) The older you are, the more accurate the Readings can be: Why? There is more "STuff" in your Akashic Records and so it is easier to Identify you.> b) Corollary to the above, I challenge any one to take a 2 year old or 4 year old child and ask them to give the READING. Cannot happen: Why? Not much info in the AR. On the other hand, if they were just astrologers, what is the problem? They could predict.> > Final Warning: If some one is unable to handle the BRUTAL Truth, Please Stay AWAY from Nadi Readings. One of my Best Friends was told that his Father will "Lose his Legs" and a range of 2 years was given. My Friend kept this info away from his Father (and rightly so). 14 years later (within about 1 year of the predicted Time Frame) it happened. He was in a bad vehicle accident and they had to amputate his Left Leg. Some things in LIFE CANNOT be changed. THAT is a difficult thing for intelligent minds to accept, but it is the truth.> > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > ________________________________> Girish menon horamag > Fri, January 22, 2010 7:05:23 AM> Re: Re: Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism> >  > Dear Bhaskar ji> I did some research on these nadi leaves > > I have visited few  Nadi Astrologers in Tamil Nadu. They claim that our horoscopes were written By Agastya centuries back is totally false. They are basically astrologers whose predictions are based on your date of birth and time. Then the chart is drawn and predictions are given on the basis of planetary positions. >  > I will first explain the procedure these nadi astrologers adopt. > First they take yourthumb impression and based on that they pick up a bunch of leaves written in ancient Tamil. Then personal questions are asked to locate the exact leaf. Once the leaf is located they ask you to wait. After some time they come with a note book claiming to be the translation of the leaf. Then they translate to you in simple Tamil claiming that the horoscope was written long ago and they are just reading it. >  > First they take the thumb impression which is not necessary. They bring a bunch of leaves which a common man cannot understand. On the pretext of searching the leaves they put questions. To my surprise they extracted information of my date of birth nakshatra and time. They are so fast and experienced that common man cannot guess it. Then they ask questions like does your father name start from ka kha gh gha na and so on. They ask you to answer yes or no. But this is a simple trick to retrieve your personal information which I can do it myself. Once the required information is collected, they claim the leaf is found. They read out your name, father’s name mother’s name etc. They tell your nakshatra and tell you to come after some time. If you notice that they do not record the first part of question and answers. One more method to expose them is that once they confirm that your leaf has been retrieved; ask them to tell the names of your children. They> will not be able to tell because you have not revealed it. >  Next time you go please record without their knowledge the first part (Question and answers) and listen. You will be surprised that unknowingly you have given the information they require. Now with the date of birth and time they can easily draw the chart with the planetary positions. As an astrologer they start giving predictions. Being a student of astrology I was able to find out. To test them, I asked them about my marriage. He told me it will happen within one year. I told them that I am not interested in marriage. So he advised me that the option is left to me. Now if it was written by agastya he should have told me with authority that I will marry. By giving the option to me it is very clear that no Rishis has written about my horoscope and they are just plain astrologers. That is the reason why people tell me that they told my past correctly but my future predictions went wrong >  But at the same time I respect their knowledge in astrology. >  There was an article about a nadi astrologer arrested in Mohali few years back. Since my experience was similar I wish to share this article. Just follow the links > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/articleshow/ 45602.cms > But again when I explained this theory to my dear friends they argue that there are fraud nadis also. If any one can give me address of any genuine Nadis please mail me the details.> Thanks and regards> Girish>  > . >  > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> > > >Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism> >ancient_indian_ astrology> >Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:29 AM> >> >> > > >Today I had a distinguised couple as my guests for Lunch. that gentleman had visited Poona to some August Rishi nadi, and seems that he got a Audio CD from them as predictions after he gave them his thumb print,and eh says that everyword from it came true in that CD, so much so that the Audio CD mentioned that his wife would develop sugar problems 3 months back, which she actually did. The CD also gave names of his family members what they could be etc.... (He asked me to listen to the CD but as usual I am busy and declined)> >> >But this same gentlemans predictions for his daughter did not come true, it seems when she gave her thumbprint.. .> >> >so the question mark remains..... that at times it is very good and at times bogus....> >> >regards,> >Bhaskar.> >> >ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh <devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:> >>> >> Dear Dev JI,> >> > >> I do have great respect for All seniors/non seniors,It is pleasure > >> anybody share/discuss something as far as anybody do not take that > >> personal else worth after that.> >> > >> ------------ ------> >> Regards,> >> Devisingh> >> > >> axeplex wrote:> >> > > >> >> >> > Dear Debiji,> >> >> >> > Can I put my views? Some parts are definitely required to be changed > >> > but preamble is same. I mean if Nadi reading says the following period > >> > shall be bad. It may be bad but not exactly as interpreted by reader.> >> >> >> > regds> >> > Dev> >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology > >> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, devisigh > >> > <devisingh.rajput@ > wrote:> >> > >> >> > > Dear Sreenadh JI,> >> > >> >> > > Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under> >> > > study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.> >> > >> >> > > Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used> >> > > extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same> >> > > technique without modification can not works as it was used in older> >> > > time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/ piller can not> >> > > change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure after> >> > > some more time.> >> > >> >> > > -would like to have your comments> >> > > ------------ ------> >> > > Regards,> >> > > Devisingh> >> > >> >> > > Sreenadh OG wrote:> >> > > >> >> > > > [Attachment( s) <#TopText> from Sreenadh OG included below]> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > Dear All,> >> > > > Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is> >> > > > available at:> >> > > > > >> > http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism > >> > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism> > >> >> >> > > > > >> > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism > >> > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism>>> >> > > > Love and Regards,> >> > > > *Sreenadh*> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Girish Ji,

 

Most Nadi astrologers are using this type of reading, but they will not divulge it to you. Any way if you look for Kagabujandar Jeeva Nadi or Agastiyar (or Agathiyar) Jeeva Nadi then some times the Nadi astrologer will let you see the information appear out of thin air on the "Palm Leaf". These are "Satwick" Nadi's and the astrologers have to be pious to be mediums of these Nadis (or the Nadi reading will "stop" and they will die a horrible death).

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Girish menon <horamag Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 9:57:04 PMRe: Re: Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism

 

 

 

 

Dear Mano jiThis type of reading is a new information for me. Can you please provide me the address.Thanks and regardsGirish--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinismancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, January 22, 2010, 10:28 AM

 

 

 

Dear Girish Ji And ALL,

 

You are partially correct. I know how it works, I have seen it work with my own eyes. Here is how it works: There are several modalities:

 

1. There are some families who have done great Pujas/Austerities what ever you might call for Eons and Generations to certain Dieties. Now some people dismiss them as "Tamasic Dieties" BUT NOT all of them are "Tamasic". There are Satvic Dieties also. These Satvic families have been learning this trade from Father to Son. As soon as they get to Puberty, the learning starts. Only Men/Boys can learn this, Women are forbidden from this. By sincere prayers and constant Repetition of the Mantras for the Diety, they gain the favour of such Dieties. Then the flood gates open. They have been passed on by their Forefathers some (note a very very few) Palm Leafs that "Act as Instruments for these Dieties/Beings to communicate with our world. This is what the Westerners call "Automatic Writing".

 

Once you go in to the Nadi place, they get your thumb print and they Go inside --- and they start their prayers and start repeating the Mantra. They carry with them :

 

a) The REAL Palm leafs that are needed for Automatic Writing

b) Several Ancient Palm leafs that have some old writings NOTHING TO DO WITH PREDICTIONS. This is just a facade to make you believe they are thumbing through several leaves.

 

Then the dance begins. The "Entity" starts emptying info about YOU on the "Leaf". The Entity has to "SEARCH" the database in the Astral Plane (Let us call it Akashic Records (AR) for convenience) that matches you. Since the Entity is Not Perfect (only GOD is perfect), it does so by trial and error. BUT when it GETS your "AR", boy you are in for a nice Ride, because it is going to predict some events that you have NO HOPE of changing.

 

2. Seing how these "Original" families are "minting money" several other families have joined the Fun by invoking "Tamasic" Deities of various origins (a famous one being Karna Pisacha). Dealing with these Deities is a dangerous game. The Modus Operandi is similar, BUT MOST of these Deities "Whisper" the information in the Ears of the Nadi Practitioner. Once again he shifts through the Nadi leaves to Fake you out, while infact "Listening closely" to the "entity whispering in his Ears".

 

These Entities have much lower "Success" Rate but can correctly predict Events going to happen within Next Year of so (IF they are pleased with the Nadi Practitioner) . If NOT they can give him wrong information and in some cases Haunt him through his Sleep, resulting in Sleep Deprivation and Suicide. One Nadi astrologer my friend knew poured Kerosene and set himself on Fire unable to handle this Entity.

 

3. Now if it so happens (either by case 1 or 2) that the Nadi Person is unable to gather much info from the Diety, what he does is gather your Moon sign. These Deities seem to be able to easily determine the Day of Birth. Time and Place are harder. So in such situaions the Nadi Person uses his rudimentary Knowledge of Astrology to predict some thing (that invariably is a bunch of BS).

 

4. It can also happen that the "Entity" only gives him one or two Major events that are going to happen. So now you will not be satisfied as a customer to just know 2 Events. So in such cases also the Nadi Astrologer "Fills IN" with his rudimentary astro knowledge (primarily using Ju/Sa transits).

 

Some General Comments:

 

a) The older you are, the more accurate the Readings can be: Why? There is more "STuff" in your Akashic Records and so it is easier to Identify you.

b) Corollary to the above, I challenge any one to take a 2 year old or 4 year old child and ask them to give the READING. Cannot happen: Why? Not much info in the AR. On the other hand, if they were just astrologers, what is the problem? They could predict.

 

Final Warning: If some one is unable to handle the BRUTAL Truth, Please Stay AWAY from Nadi Readings. One of my Best Friends was told that his Father will "Lose his Legs" and a range of 2 years was given. My Friend kept this info away from his Father (and rightly so). 14 years later (within about 1 year of the predicted Time Frame) it happened. He was in a bad vehicle accident and they had to amputate his Left Leg. Some things in LIFE CANNOT be changed. THAT is a difficult thing for intelligent minds to accept, but it is the truth.

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Girish menon <horamag >ancient_indian_ astrologyFri, January 22, 2010 7:05:23 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism

 

 

 

 

Dear Bhaskar jiI did some research on these nadi leaves

I have visited few Nadi Astrologers in Tamil Nadu. They claim that our horoscopes were written By Agastya centuries back is totally false. They are basically astrologers whose predictions are based on your date of birth and time. Then the chart is drawn and predictions are given on the basis of planetary positions.

I will first explain the procedure these nadi astrologers adopt.

First they take your thumb impression and based on that they pick up a bunch of leaves written in ancient Tamil. Then personal questions are asked to locate the exact leaf. Once the leaf is located they ask you to wait. After some time they come with a note book claiming to be the translation of the leaf. Then they translate to you in simple Tamil claiming that the horoscope was written long ago and they are just reading it.

First they take the thumb impression which is not necessary. They bring a bunch of leaves which a common man cannot understand. On the pretext of searching the leaves they put questions. To my surprise they extracted information of my date of birth nakshatra and time. They are so fast and experienced that common man cannot guess it. Then they ask questions like does your father name start from ka kha gh gha na and so on. They ask you to answer yes or no. But this is a simple trick to retrieve your personal information which I can do it myself. Once the required information is collected, they claim the leaf is found. They read out your name, father’s name mother’s name

etc. They tell your nakshatra and tell you to come after some time. If you notice that they do not record the first part of question and answers. One more method to expose them is that once they confirm that your leaf has been retrieved; ask them to tell the names of your children. They will not be able to tell because you have not revealed it.

Next time you go please record without their knowledge the first part (Question and answers) and listen. You will be surprised that unknowingly you have given the information they require. Now with the date of birth and time they can easily draw the chart with the planetary positions. As an astrologer they start giving predictions. Being a student of astrology I was able to find out. To test them, I asked them about my marriage. He told me it will happen within one year. I told them that I am not interested in marriage. So he advised me that the option is left to me. Now if it was written by agastya

he should have told me with authority that I will marry. By giving the option to me it is very clear that no Rishis has written about my horoscope and they are just plain astrologers. That is the reason why people tell me that they told my past correctly but my future predictions went wrong

But at the same time I respect their knowledge in astrology.

There was an article about a nadi astrologer arrested in Mohali few years back. Since my experience was similar I wish to share this article. Just follow the links

http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/articleshow/ 45602.cms

But again when I explained this theory to my dear friends they argue that there are fraud nadis also. If any one can give me address of any genuine Nadis please mail me the details.

Thanks and regards

Girish

..

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinismancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, January 22, 2010, 5:29 AM

Today I had a distinguised couple as my guests for Lunch. that gentleman had visited Poona to some August Rishi nadi, and seems that he got a Audio CD from them as predictions after he gave them his thumb print,and eh says that everyword from it came true in that CD, so much so that the Audio CD mentioned that his wife would develop sugar problems 3 months back, which she actually did. The CD also gave names of his family members what they could be etc.... (He asked me to listen to the CD but as usual I am busy and declined)But this same gentlemans predictions for his daughter did not come true, it seems when she gave her thumbprint.. .so the question mark remains..... that at times it is very good and at times bogus....regards,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh <devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Dev JI,> > I do have great

respect for All seniors/non seniors,It is pleasure > anybody share/discuss something as far as anybody do not take that > personal else worth after that.> > ------------ ------> Regards,> Devisingh> > axeplex wrote:> > > >> > Dear Debiji,> >> > Can I put my views? Some parts are definitely required to be changed > > but preamble is same. I mean if Nadi reading says the following period > > shall be bad. It may be bad but not exactly as interpreted by reader.> >> > regds> > Dev> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, devisigh > > <devisingh.rajput@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh JI,> > >> > > Below is

my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under> > > study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.> > >> > > Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used> > > extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same> > > technique without modification can not works as it was used in older> > > time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/ piller can not> > > change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure after> > > some more time.> > >> > > -would like to have your comments> > > ------------ ------> > > Regards,> > > Devisingh> > >> > > Sreenadh OG wrote:> > > >> > > > [Attachment( s) <#TopText> from Sreenadh

OG included below]> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is> > > > available at:> > > > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm-

Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism> > >> > > > > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism > > <http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism>>> > > > Love and Regards,>

> > > *Sreenadh*> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenath JI,

 

Yes,Time will pass away,we will be no more in some or any form at

anywhere in world it seems that it will be live.

 

--hope to become nakshatra (never decay)

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

 

sreesog wrote:

 

 

Dear Devi Singh ji,

//Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a

time when that was used

extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same

technique without modification can not works as it was used in older

time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/piller can

not

change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure after

some more time.//

I agree with you, but believes that enough study to revive this

branch of astrology will happen in near future by sincere individuals.

The branch of knowledge is so beautiful and attracting that there will

certainly comeup real researchers who will not let that happen I trust.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

,

devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh JI,

>

> Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is

under

> study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.

>

> Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used

> extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same

> technique without modification can not works as it was used in

older

> time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/piller

can not

> change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure

after

> some more time.

>

> -would like to have your comments

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> Sreenadh OG wrote:

> >

> > [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Sreenadh OG

included below]

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> > Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is

 

> > available at:

> > http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism

 

> > <http://www.scribd.com/doc/8754829/Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism>

> > Love and Regards,

> > *Sreenadh*

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh Ji,

 

You are an extremely intelligent man (I think every one in this forum will agree . If you decided to consult and keep your name a secret (by using a false one), how did the Nadi Astrologer manage to extract your name through the questioing technique?

 

Yes, you are absolutely correct they use a secret and very sophisticated questioning technique. That is the Business Part. The sad part is in the olden days by Grandfather used to say that only 1 out of 100 people will "find" their Nadi. But these days almost every one "finds" the Nadi. How? Because they fool people.

 

I know it is difficult to believe what I wrote, but it is the truth. However a majority of people get fooled with pesudo astrology readings. Once a while people will get accurate Readings using the method I described. But being skeptical is good and is a great strength

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

sreesog <sreesog Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:38:10 PM Re: Investigations-on-the-Authenticity-of-the-Ancient-Indian-Ola-Palm-Leaf-NadiHoroscopes-and-the-Question-of-Will-Versus-Determinism

Dear Dev ji,Me to visited a nadi astrologer and the name of my wife was also given, but it didn't match even a bit. Even though he successfully told the name of my father,mother, me etc. (I had consulted using a false name, but he told my actual name). I think that the credit for the same goes to the perfected questioning technique (at least for the prime part of it).Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex > wrote:>> Dear Manoj ji,> > Would like to share my personal experience when I visited Nadi astrologer before marriage. I was given overview of my would be wife's name in terms of number of letters and some starting and ending combinations. My wife name is exactly within that overview.

I don't know astrologically how it can be calcualted?> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh Ji, Devisingh Ji,> > > > The Nadi astrology that is described in the article sent by Sreenadh Ji is NOT astrology at all. THAT is why it can be 100% accurate (some times). No REAL Astrologer, however talented can tell you what the "name of your future wife is going to be". There is a simple and true explanation for this "phenomenon" . I wish these researchers are contacted me before wasting their time:> > > > It is called ..... "Automatic Writing". It is a phenomenon where departed spirits fromÂ

a different plane "Automatically Write" on these Palm Leaves. It can be done several diffrent ways. The Major events in life that cannot be changed, will happen 100%. The other events may or may not occur depending on free will. Also visibility of events beyond the 2-3 year point (unless it is a Major event) is marginal at best. Any one interested can look at the archives when me and Bhaskar Ji shared our experiences regarding this phenomenon.> > > > Regards,> >  -Manoj> >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > devisigh <devisingh.rajput@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thu, January 21, 2010

1:39:43 AM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism> > > > Â > > Dear Sreenadh JI,> > > > Below is my result from my extensive study (chandra-kala naadi is under study for last)related to Naadi Leaf.> > > > Nadi Astrology was correct once upon a time when that was used extensively for correct prediction,as time gets pass out now same technique without modification can not works as it was used in older time.so untill some one try to get essence/foundation/ piller can not change/modify this system so seems that this will die for sure after some more time.> > > > -would like to have your comments> > ------------ ------ > > Regards, > >

Devisingh> > > > Sreenadh OG wrote: > > Â > > >> > >Dear All,> > >Â Some of you might be interested in the attached file which is available at: http://www.scribd. com/doc/8754829/ Investigations- on-the-Authentic ity-of-the- Ancient-Indian- Ola-Palm- Leaf-NadiHorosco pes-and-the- Question- of-Will-Versus- Determinism> > >Love and Regards,> > >> > >Sreenadh > > >> >>