Factors for Adoption - Conditions from Phaldeepika and Sarvarth chintamani

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Dear Neelam Ji,Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to this chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of adoptions too.''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong, the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''The idea behind the shloka isA.9th house should be a movable sign (or)B.9th lord should be in movable signC.Saturn's aspectD.12th lord should be strong.In this case,9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this point is excluded.9th lord is in dual sign(movable+fixed) and has the aspect of saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a trikona and hence strong.Conclusion-In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a sign which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the 12th lord venus is also strong.Regarding the birth of the native-There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses are associated with the lord of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is the son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with somebody else other than legally wedded partner.Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =MarsIn this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.Request-I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into two equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15 degrees.I dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a fixed sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the movable sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.If this division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and Sarvarth Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.Please correct me if i am wrong.Thanks and best wishesvishnu , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear All,> > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference material for> adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.> > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed mother in> an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3 months old.> > 3.12.1997/5/55 AM/Panjim, Goa> > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the factors for> adoption in this chart.> > Regards> Neelam>

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Dear Vishnu ji,

 

//'If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined with or

aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong, the child born

is sure to be adopted by another.''//

 

Thanks for the above.......

 

This perfectly applies to the case of an adopted girl I mentioned too, though I

did not post BD of the same.

 

Leo Lagna, 9H a movable sign, aspected by retro Sa from 7H. 12HL Moon is placed

in 9H in lagna and exalted in navamsha.

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

 

 

, " Vishnu " <vishnumohanalj

wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam Ji,

>

> Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.

>

> There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to this

> chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of adoptions

> too.

>

> ''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined

> with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong,

> the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''

>

> The idea behind the shloka is

> A.9th house should be a movable sign (or)

> B.9th lord should be in movable sign

> C.Saturn's aspect

> D.12th lord should be strong.

>

>

> In this case,

>

> 9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this

> point is excluded.

>

> 9th lord is in dual sign(movable+fixed) and has the aspect of

> saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)

> 12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in

> navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.

> Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a trikona

> and hence strong.

>

> Conclusion-

> In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a sign

> which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the 12th

> lord venus is also strong.

>

>

> Regarding the birth of the native-

>

> There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani

>

> ''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses are associated with the lord

> of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is the

> son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''

>

>

> This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with

> somebody else other than legally wedded partner.

>

> Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =Mars

> In this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.

>

> Request-

> I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into two

> equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15 degrees.I

> dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.

>

> Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a fixed

> sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the movable

> sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.

>

> If this division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and Sarvarth

> Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.

>

>

> Please correct me if i am wrong.

>

> Thanks and best wishes

> vishnu

>

>

>

> , neelam gupta

> <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference material

> for

> > adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.

> >

> > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed

> mother in

> > an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3 months

> old.

> >

> > 3.12.1997/5/55 AM/Panjim, Goa

> >

> > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the factors

> for

> > adoption in this chart.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

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Dear Vishnu ji,thanks for an educative post.Points are noted and stored in my file.Yes these charts are rare for sure....Love and regards,gopi. , "Vishnu" <vishnumohanalj wrote:>> Dear Neelam Ji,> > Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.> > There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to this> chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of adoptions> too.> > ''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined> with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong,> the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''> > The idea behind the shloka is> A.9th house should be a movable sign (or)> B.9th lord should be in movable sign> C.Saturn's aspect> D.12th lord should be strong.> > > In this case,> > 9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this> point is excluded.> > 9th lord is in dual sign(movable+fixed) and has the aspect of> saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)> 12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in> navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.> Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a trikona> and hence strong.> > Conclusion-> In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a sign> which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the 12th> lord venus is also strong.> > > Regarding the birth of the native-> > There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani> > ''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses are associated with the lord> of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is the> son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''> > > This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with> somebody else other than legally wedded partner.> > Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =Mars> In this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.> > Request-> I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into two> equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15 degrees.I> dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.> > Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a fixed> sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the movable> sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.> > If this division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and Sarvarth> Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.> > > Please correct me if i am wrong.> > Thanks and best wishes> vishnu> > > > , neelam gupta> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear All,> >> > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference material> for> > adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.> >> > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed> mother in> > an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3 months> old.> >> > 3.12.1997/5/55 AM/Panjim, Goa> >> > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the factors> for> > adoption in this chart.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >>

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Dear Vishnu ji,Thanks for giving the classical viewpoints on the issue. I also have seen some cases where 9H has moveble/dual sign aspected by a separative planet like saturn, there can be some alternative family arrangents for the child. E.g child living in hostels under gaurdianship of others. e.g, I have a chart where 9L/12L Jup is in 9H, retrograde and is apsected by saturn from 7H, the child has stayed away from paents when JUP MD started when she went over for studies, etc., to stay with her aunt's family. Whenver 12L gets involved,, we do see movement to another place and when we also see the involvement of 3/8 or both, there may be separation from parentsfor good.

The point about dual lagna getting fised or moveable depending upon the degrees is used to judge nabhas yogas or at times in prashna as I am told by my teachers RegardsNeelam

On 7 February 2010 13:09, renunw <renunw wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vishnu ji,

 

//'If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong, the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''//

 

Thanks for the above.......

 

This perfectly applies to the case of an adopted girl I mentioned too, though I did not post BD of the same.

 

Leo Lagna, 9H a movable sign, aspected by retro Sa from 7H. 12HL Moon is placed in 9H in lagna and exalted in navamsha.

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

, " Vishnu " <vishnumohanalj wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam Ji,

>

> Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.

>

> There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to this

> chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of adoptions

> too.

>

> ''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined

> with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong,

> the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''

>

> The idea behind the shloka is

> A.9th house should be a movable sign (or)

> B.9th lord should be in movable sign

> C.Saturn's aspect

> D.12th lord should be strong.

>

>

> In this case,

>

> 9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this

> point is excluded.

>

> 9th lord is in dual sign(movable+fixed) and has the aspect of

> saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)

> 12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in

> navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.

> Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a trikona

> and hence strong.

>

> Conclusion-

> In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a sign

> which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the 12th

> lord venus is also strong.

>

>

> Regarding the birth of the native-

>

> There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani

>

> ''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses are associated with the lord

> of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is the

> son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''

>

>

> This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with

> somebody else other than legally wedded partner.

>

> Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =Mars

> In this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.

>

> Request-

> I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into two

> equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15 degrees.I

> dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.

>

> Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a fixed

> sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the movable

> sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.

>

> If this division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and Sarvarth

> Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.

>

>

> Please correct me if i am wrong.

>

> Thanks and best wishes

> vishnu

>

>

>

> , neelam gupta

> <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference material

> for

> > adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.

> >

> > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed

> mother in

> > an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3 months

> old.

> >

> > 3.12.1997/5/55 AM/Panjim, Goa

> >

> > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the factors

> for

> > adoption in this chart.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

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Dear All,The poor boy, though was born in unfortunate circumstances, was soon to have a rags to riches story. He found home in a rich household the most loving parents and is not having the best world can offer. Destiny!

RegardsNeelamOn 7 February 2010 13:29, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

Dear Vishnu ji,Thanks for giving the classical viewpoints on the issue. I also have seen some cases where 9H has moveble/dual sign aspected by a separative planet like saturn, there can be some alternative family arrangents for the child. E.g child living in hostels under gaurdianship of others. e.g, I have a chart where 9L/12L Jup is in 9H, retrograde and is apsected by saturn from 7H, the child has stayed away from paents when JUP MD started when she went over for studies, etc., to stay with her aunt's family. Whenver 12L gets involved,, we do see movement to another place and when we also see the involvement of 3/8 or both, there may be separation from parentsfor good.

The point about dual lagna getting fised or moveable depending upon the degrees is used to judge nabhas yogas or at times in prashna as I am told by my teachers RegardsNeelam

 

On 7 February 2010 13:09, renunw <renunw wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vishnu ji,

 

//'If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong, the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''//

 

Thanks for the above.......

 

This perfectly applies to the case of an adopted girl I mentioned too, though I did not post BD of the same.

 

Leo Lagna, 9H a movable sign, aspected by retro Sa from 7H. 12HL Moon is placed in 9H in lagna and exalted in navamsha.

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

, " Vishnu " <vishnumohanalj wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam Ji,

>

> Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.

>

> There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to this

> chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of adoptions

> too.

>

> ''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined

> with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong,

> the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''

>

> The idea behind the shloka is

> A.9th house should be a movable sign (or)

> B.9th lord should be in movable sign

> C.Saturn's aspect

> D.12th lord should be strong.

>

>

> In this case,

>

> 9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this

> point is excluded.

>

> 9th lord is in dual sign(movable+fixed) and has the aspect of

> saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)

> 12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in

> navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.

> Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a trikona

> and hence strong.

>

> Conclusion-

> In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a sign

> which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the 12th

> lord venus is also strong.

>

>

> Regarding the birth of the native-

>

> There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani

>

> ''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses are associated with the lord

> of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is the

> son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''

>

>

> This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with

> somebody else other than legally wedded partner.

>

> Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =Mars

> In this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.

>

> Request-

> I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into two

> equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15 degrees.I

> dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.

>

> Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a fixed

> sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the movable

> sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.

>

> If this division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and Sarvarth

> Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.

>

>

> Please correct me if i am wrong.

>

> Thanks and best wishes

> vishnu

>

>

>

> , neelam gupta

> <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference material

> for

> > adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.

> >

> > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed

> mother in

> > an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3 months

> old.

> >

> > 3.12.1997/5/55 AM/Panjim, Goa

> >

> > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the factors

> for

> > adoption in this chart.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

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Dear Neelam ji,// not having the best world can offer. Destiny!//Is there a typo i am afraid!!?Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear All,> > The poor boy, though was born in unfortunate circumstances, was soon to have> a rags to riches story. He found home in a rich household the most loving> parents and is not having the best world can offer. Destiny!> > Regards> Neelam> > On 7 February 2010 13:29, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote:> > > Dear Vishnu ji,> >> > Thanks for giving the classical viewpoints on the issue.> > I also have seen some cases where 9H has moveble/dual sign aspected by a> > separative planet like saturn, there can be some alternative family> > arrangents for the child. E.g child living in hostels under gaurdianship of> > others. e.g, I have a chart where 9L/12L Jup is in 9H, retrograde and is> > apsected by saturn from 7H, the child has stayed away from paents when JUP> > MD started when she went over for studies, etc., to stay with her aunt's> > family. Whenver 12L gets involved,, we do see movement to another place and> > when we also see the involvement of 3/8 or both, there may be separation> > from parentsfor good.> >> > The point about dual lagna getting fised or moveable depending upon the> > degrees is used to judge nabhas yogas or at times in prashna as I am told by> > my teachers> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> >> > On 7 February 2010 13:09, renunw renunw wrote:> >> >>> >>> >> Dear Vishnu ji,> >>> >> //'If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined with> >> or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong, the> >> child born is sure to be adopted by another.''//> >>> >> Thanks for the above.......> >>> >> This perfectly applies to the case of an adopted girl I mentioned too,> >> though I did not post BD of the same.> >>> >> Leo Lagna, 9H a movable sign, aspected by retro Sa from 7H. 12HL Moon is> >> placed in 9H in lagna and exalted in navamsha.> >>> >> blessings,> >>> >> Renu> >>> >>> >> <%40>,> >> "Vishnu" vishnumohanalj@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear Neelam Ji,> >> >> >> > Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.> >> >> >> > There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to this> >> > chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of adoptions> >> > too.> >> >> >> > ''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined> >> > with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong,> >> > the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''> >> >> >> > The idea behind the shloka is> >> > A.9th house should be a movable sign (or)> >> > B.9th lord should be in movable sign> >> > C.Saturn's aspect> >> > D.12th lord should be strong.> >> >> >> >> >> > In this case,> >> >> >> > 9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this> >> > point is excluded.> >> >> >> > 9th lord is in dual sign(movable+fixed) and has the aspect of> >> > saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)> >> > 12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in> >> > navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.> >> > Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a trikona> >> > and hence strong.> >> >> >> > Conclusion-> >> > In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a sign> >> > which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the 12th> >> > lord venus is also strong.> >> >> >> >> >> > Regarding the birth of the native-> >> >> >> > There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani> >> >> >> > ''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses are associated with the lord> >> > of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is the> >> > son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''> >> >> >> >> >> > This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with> >> > somebody else other than legally wedded partner.> >> >> >> > Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =Mars> >>> >> > In this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.> >> >> >> > Request-> >> > I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into two> >> > equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15 degrees.I> >> > dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.> >> >> >> > Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a fixed> >> > sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the movable> >> > sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.> >> >> >> > If this division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and Sarvarth> >> > Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.> >> >> >> >> >> > Please correct me if i am wrong.> >> >> >> > Thanks and best wishes> >> > vishnu> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > <%40>,> >> neelam gupta> >> > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> >> > >> >> > > Dear All,> >> > >> >> > > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference material> >> > for> >> > > adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.> >> > >> >> > > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed> >> > mother in> >> > > an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3 months> >> > old.> >> > >> >> > > 3.12.1997/5/55 AM/Panjim, Goa> >> > >> >> > > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the factors> >> > for> >> > > adoption in this chart.> >> > >> >> > > Regards> >> > > Neelam> >> > >> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>

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Dear Gopi ji,Yes! Many thanks for correcting! Pls read as // having the best world can offer!//RegardsNeelamOn 7 February 2010 13:50, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelam ji,// not having the best world can offer. Destiny!//Is there a typo i am afraid!!?Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>> Dear All,> > The poor boy, though was born in unfortunate circumstances, was soon to have> a rags to riches story. He found home in a rich household the most loving

> parents and is not having the best world can offer. Destiny!> > Regards> Neelam> > On 7 February 2010 13:29, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote:>

> > Dear Vishnu ji,> >> > Thanks for giving the classical viewpoints on the issue.> > I also have seen some cases where 9H has moveble/dual sign aspected by a> > separative planet like saturn, there can be some alternative family

> > arrangents for the child. E.g child living in hostels under gaurdianship of> > others. e.g, I have a chart where 9L/12L Jup is in 9H, retrograde and is> > apsected by saturn from 7H, the child has stayed away from paents when JUP

> > MD started when she went over for studies, etc., to stay with her aunt's> > family. Whenver 12L gets involved,, we do see movement to another place and> > when we also see the involvement of 3/8 or both, there may be separation

> > from parentsfor good.> >> > The point about dual lagna getting fised or moveable depending upon the> > degrees is used to judge nabhas yogas or at times in prashna as I am told by

> > my teachers> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> >> > On 7 February 2010 13:09, renunw renunw wrote:> >> >>

> >>> >> Dear Vishnu ji,> >>> >> //'If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined with> >> or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong, the

> >> child born is sure to be adopted by another.''//> >>> >> Thanks for the above.......> >>> >> This perfectly applies to the case of an adopted girl I mentioned too,

> >> though I did not post BD of the same.> >>> >> Leo Lagna, 9H a movable sign, aspected by retro Sa from 7H. 12HL Moon is> >> placed in 9H in lagna and exalted in navamsha.

> >>> >> blessings,> >>> >> Renu> >>> >>> >> <%40>,

> >> " Vishnu " vishnumohanalj@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear Neelam Ji,> >> >> >> > Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.

> >> >> >> > There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to this> >> > chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of adoptions> >> > too.

> >> >> >> > ''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined> >> > with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong,> >> > the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''

> >> >> >> > The idea behind the shloka is> >> > A.9th house should be a movable sign (or)> >> > B.9th lord should be in movable sign> >> > C.Saturn's aspect

> >> > D.12th lord should be strong.> >> >> >> >> >> > In this case,> >> >> >> > 9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this

> >> > point is excluded.> >> >> >> > 9th lord is in dual sign(movable+fixed) and has the aspect of> >> > saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)

> >> > 12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in> >> > navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.> >> > Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a trikona

> >> > and hence strong.> >> >> >> > Conclusion-> >> > In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a sign> >> > which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the 12th

> >> > lord venus is also strong.> >> >> >> >> >> > Regarding the birth of the native-> >> >> >> > There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani

> >> >> >> > ''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses are associated with the lord> >> > of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is the> >> > son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''

> >> >> >> >> >> > This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with> >> > somebody else other than legally wedded partner.> >> >

> >> > Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =Mars> >>> >> > In this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.> >> >> >> > Request-

> >> > I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into two> >> > equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15 degrees.I> >> > dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.

> >> >> >> > Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a fixed> >> > sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the movable> >> > sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.

> >> >> >> > If this division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and Sarvarth> >> > Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.> >> >> >> >

> >> > Please correct me if i am wrong.> >> >> >> > Thanks and best wishes> >> > vishnu> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> > <%40>,

> >> neelam gupta> >> > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> >> > >> >> > > Dear All,> >> > >> >> > > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference material

> >> > for> >> > > adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.> >> > >> >> > > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed

> >> > mother in> >> > > an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3 months> >> > old.> >> > >> >> > > 3.12.1997/5/55 AM/Panjim, Goa

> >> > >> >> > > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the factors> >> > for> >> > > adoption in this chart.> >> > >

> >> > > Regards> >> > > Neelam> >> > >> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>

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Dear Neelam ji,we could see through the chart hence my doubt....Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Gopi ji,> > Yes! Many thanks for correcting!> Pls read as // having the best world can offer!//> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > On 7 February 2010 13:50, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote:> > >> >> > *Dear Neelam ji,> > //* not having the best world can offer. Destiny!//> > *Is there a typo i am afraid!!?> > Regards,> > gopi.> > *> > , neelam gupta> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > The poor boy, though was born in unfortunate circumstances, was soon to> > have> > > a rags to riches story. He found home in a rich household the most loving> > > parents and is* not having the best world can offer. Destiny!*> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > > On 7 February 2010 13:29, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > > Dear Vishnu ji,> > > >> > > > Thanks for giving the classical viewpoints on the issue.> > > > I also have seen some cases where 9H has moveble/dual sign aspected by> > a> > > > separative planet like saturn, there can be some alternative family> > > > arrangents for the child. E.g child living in hostels under> > gaurdianship of> > > > others. e.g, I have a chart where 9L/12L Jup is in 9H, retrograde and> > is> > > > apsected by saturn from 7H, the child has stayed away from paents when> > JUP> > > > MD started when she went over for studies, etc., to stay with her> > aunt's> > > > family. Whenver 12L gets involved,, we do see movement to another place> > and> > > > when we also see the involvement of 3/8 or both, there may be> > separation> > > > from parentsfor good.> > > >> > > > The point about dual lagna getting fised or moveable depending upon the> > > > degrees is used to judge nabhas yogas or at times in prashna as I am> > told by> > > > my teachers> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 7 February 2010 13:09, renunw renunw@ wrote:> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Dear Vishnu ji,> > > >>> > > >> //'If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined> > with> > > >> or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong,> > the> > > >> child born is sure to be adopted by another.''//> > > >>> > > >> Thanks for the above.......> > > >>> > > >> This perfectly applies to the case of an adopted girl I mentioned too,> > > >> though I did not post BD of the same.> > > >>> > > >> Leo Lagna, 9H a movable sign, aspected by retro Sa from 7H. 12HL Moon> > is> > > >> placed in 9H in lagna and exalted in navamsha.> > > >>> > > >> blessings,> > > >>> > > >> Renu> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > <%40>,> >> > > >> "Vishnu" vishnumohanalj@ wrote:> > > >> >> > > >> > Dear Neelam Ji,> > > >> >> > > >> > Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.> > > >> >> > > >> > There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to> > this> > > >> > chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of> > adoptions> > > >> > too.> > > >> >> > > >> > ''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined> > > >> > with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be> > strong,> > > >> > the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''> > > >> >> > > >> > The idea behind the shloka is> > > >> > A.9th house should be a movable sign (or)> > > >> > B.9th lord should be in movable sign> > > >> > C.Saturn's aspect> > > >> > D.12th lord should be strong.> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > In this case,> > > >> >> > > >> > 9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this> > > >> > point is excluded.> > > >> >> > > >> > 9th lord is in dual sign(movable+fixed) and has the aspect of> > > >> > saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)> > > >> > 12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in> > > >> > navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.> > > >> > Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a> > trikona> > > >> > and hence strong.> > > >> >> > > >> > Conclusion-> > > >> > In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a> > sign> > > >> > which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the> > 12th> > > >> > lord venus is also strong.> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > Regarding the birth of the native-> > > >> >> > > >> > There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani> > > >> >> > > >> > ''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses are associated with the> > lord> > > >> > of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is> > the> > > >> > son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with> > > >> > somebody else other than legally wedded partner.> > > >> >> > > >> > Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =Mars> > > >>> > > >> > In this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.> > > >> >> > > >> > Request-> > > >> > I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into> > two> > > >> > equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15> > degrees.I> > > >> > dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.> > > >> >> > > >> > Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a> > fixed> > > >> > sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the> > movable> > > >> > sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.> > > >> >> > > >> > If this division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and> > Sarvarth> > > >> > Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > Please correct me if i am wrong.> > > >> >> > > >> > Thanks and best wishes> > > >> > vishnu> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > <%40>,> >> > > >> neelam gupta> > > >> > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > > >> > >> > > >> > > Dear All,> > > >> > >> > > >> > > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference> > material> > > >> > for> > > >> > > adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.> > > >> > >> > > >> > > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed> > > >> > mother in> > > >> > > an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3> > months> > > >> > old.> > > >> > >> > > >> > > 3.12.1997/5/55 AM/Panjim, Goa> > > >> > >> > > >> > > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the> > factors> > > >> > for> > > >> > > adoption in this chart.> > > >> > >> > > >> > > Regards> > > >> > > Neelam> > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >>

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Dear Renu Ji,You are most welcome.Thanks and best wishesVishnu--- On Sun, 2/7/10, renunw <renunw wrote:renunw <renunw Re: Factors for Adoption - Conditions from Phaldeepika and Sarvarth chintamani Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 7:39 AM

 

 

Dear Vishnu ji,

 

//'If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong, the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''//

 

Thanks for the above.......

 

This perfectly applies to the case of an adopted girl I mentioned too, though I did not post BD of the same.

 

Leo Lagna, 9H a movable sign, aspected by retro Sa from 7H. 12HL Moon is placed in 9H in lagna and exalted in navamsha.

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu" <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam Ji,

>

> Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.

>

> There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to this

> chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of adoptions

> too.

>

> ''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined

> with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong,

> the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''

>

> The idea behind the shloka is

> A.9th house should be a movable sign (or)

> B.9th lord should be in movable sign

> C.Saturn's aspect

> D.12th lord should be strong.

>

>

> In this case,

>

> 9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this

> point is excluded.

>

> 9th lord is in dual sign(movable+ fixed) and has the aspect of

> saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)

> 12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in

> navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.

> Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a trikona

> and hence strong.

>

> Conclusion-

> In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a sign

> which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the 12th

> lord venus is also strong.

>

>

> Regarding the birth of the native-

>

> There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani

>

> ''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses are associated with the lord

> of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is the

> son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''

>

>

> This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with

> somebody else other than legally wedded partner.

>

> Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =Mars

> In this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.

>

> Request-

> I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into two

> equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15 degrees.I

> dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.

>

> Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a fixed

> sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the movable

> sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.

>

> If this division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and Sarvarth

> Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.

>

>

> Please correct me if i am wrong.

>

> Thanks and best wishes

> vishnu

>

>

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference material

> for

> > adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.

> >

> > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed

> mother in

> > an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3 months

> old.

> >

> > 3.12.1997/5/ 55 AM/Panjim, Goa

> >

> > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the factors

> for

> > adoption in this chart.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

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Dear Gopi ji,You are welcome.Thanks and best wishesVishnu--- On Sun, 2/7/10, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote:gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Re: Factors for Adoption - Conditions from Phaldeepika and Sarvarth chintamani Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 7:50 AM

 

 

 

Dear Vishnu ji,thanks for an educative post.Points are noted and stored in my file.Yes these charts are rare for sure....Love and regards,gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu" <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Neelam Ji,> > Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.> > There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to this> chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of adoptions> too.> > ''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined> with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong,> the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''> > The idea behind the shloka is> A.9th house should be a movable sign (or)> B.9th lord should be in movable sign> C.Saturn's aspect> D.12th

lord should be strong.> > > In this case,> > 9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this> point is excluded.> > 9th lord is in dual sign(movable+ fixed) and has the aspect of> saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)> 12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in> navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.> Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a trikona> and hence strong.> > Conclusion-> In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a sign> which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the 12th> lord venus is also strong.> > > Regarding the birth of the native-> > There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani> > ''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses

are associated with the lord> of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is the> son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''> > > This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with> somebody else other than legally wedded partner.> > Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =Mars> In this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.> > Request-> I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into two> equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15 degrees.I> dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.> > Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a fixed> sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the movable> sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.> > If this

division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and Sarvarth> Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.> > > Please correct me if i am wrong.> > Thanks and best wishes> vishnu> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear All,> >> > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference material> for> > adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.> >> > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed> mother in> > an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3 months> old.> >> > 3.12.1997/5/ 55 AM/Panjim, Goa> >> > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the factors> for>

> adoption in this chart.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >>

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Dear Neelamji,Thanks for the additional points.//The point about dual lagna getting fised or moveable depending upon the degrees is used to judge nabhas yogas or at times in prashna as I am told by my teachers//Yes,i am aware that is of much use in Prashna.Just looking for the source to confirm its authenticity again.Thanks and best wishesvishnu --- On Sun, 2/7/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Factors for Adoption - Conditions from Phaldeepika and Sarvarth chintamaniTo:

Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 7:59 AM

 

 

Dear Vishnu ji,Thanks for giving the classical viewpoints on the issue. I also have seen some cases where 9H has moveble/dual sign aspected by a separative planet like saturn, there can be some alternative family arrangents for the child. E.g child living in hostels under gaurdianship of others. e.g, I have a chart where 9L/12L Jup is in 9H, retrograde and is apsected by saturn from 7H, the child has stayed away from paents when JUP MD started when she went over for studies, etc., to stay with her aunt's family. Whenver 12L gets involved,, we do see movement to another place and when we also see the involvement of 3/8 or both, there may be separation from parentsfor good.

The point about dual lagna getting fised or moveable depending upon the degrees is used to judge nabhas yogas or at times in prashna as I am told by my teachers RegardsNeelam

On 7 February 2010 13:09, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vishnu ji,

 

//'If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong, the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''//

 

Thanks for the above.......

 

This perfectly applies to the case of an adopted girl I mentioned too, though I did not post BD of the same.

 

Leo Lagna, 9H a movable sign, aspected by retro Sa from 7H. 12HL Moon is placed in 9H in lagna and exalted in navamsha.

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu" <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam Ji,

>

> Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.

>

> There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to this

> chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of adoptions

> too.

>

> ''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined

> with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong,

> the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''

>

> The idea behind the shloka is

> A.9th house should be a movable sign (or)

> B.9th lord should be in movable sign

> C.Saturn's aspect

> D.12th lord should be strong.

>

>

> In this case,

>

> 9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this

> point is excluded.

>

> 9th lord is in dual sign(movable+ fixed) and has the aspect of

> saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)

> 12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in

> navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.

> Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a trikona

> and hence strong.

>

> Conclusion-

> In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a sign

> which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the 12th

> lord venus is also strong.

>

>

> Regarding the birth of the native-

>

> There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani

>

> ''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses are associated with the lord

> of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is the

> son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''

>

>

> This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with

> somebody else other than legally wedded partner.

>

> Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =Mars

> In this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.

>

> Request-

> I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into two

> equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15 degrees.I

> dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.

>

> Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a fixed

> sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the movable

> sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.

>

> If this division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and Sarvarth

> Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.

>

>

> Please correct me if i am wrong.

>

> Thanks and best wishes

> vishnu

>

>

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference material

> for

> > adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.

> >

> > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed

> mother in

> > an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3 months

> old.

> >

> > 3.12.1997/5/ 55 AM/Panjim, Goa

> >

> > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the factors

> for

> > adoption in this chart.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>