Factors for Adoption

February 7, 2010

Res Renu Ji

What are the factors under native gone to adoption

06-03-1997

00:26:00 IST

Delhi

He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

Thank & Regards

suresh awasthi-

February 7, 2010

Neelamji,

True for D-1 but not for D-12. In D-12, one must see 4th house. We are living in

the world where women are equal and can carry on the legacy on their own. In the

given case, 4th lord in D-12 is also affected.

regds

Dev

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Dev ji,

>

> 4H is home, love, mother, etc. when a child gets all that again, it shows

> only a temporary affliction or activation of 3H for movement away from home.

> 9H is for legacy and father's name etc, which get changed when a child is

> adopted. When legal issues are involved or change of dharma, again it is 9H

> which takes come into play.

> Where 8H gets associated and and also 3rd and 10th are badly afflicted while

> activated, we often see a child adopted after parent's demise.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> On 7 February 2010 13:43, axeplex <axeplex wrote:

>

> >

> > Thanks Neelamji,

> >

> > It proves the involvement of Saturn in AD, a planet responsible for

> > adoption. Why 4th house is not being considered in analysis?

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > --- In

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> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Dev ji,

> > >

> > > The couple had applied for adoption in March 1998 but after completing

> > all

> > > formalities etc.,they brought the child home in April.

> > > I don't have the exact date, but can confirm and let you know.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > > On 6 February 2010 13:26, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Sonia ji,

> > > >

> > > > Can we know the date of adoption in this case?

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > > --- In

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> > <%40>,

> >

> > > > Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dev Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > D-4 will be seen because this child went to Orphanage and was later

> > > > adopted by another family. So this boy had change in

> > environment/residence.

> > > > Therefore role of D-4 will come into play.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sonia

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > >

> > > > > To:

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> > <%40>

> >

> > > > > Fri, 5 February, 2010 10:55:56 PM

> > > > > Re: Factors for Adoption

> > > > >

> > > > > Soniaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Why do you need to see D-4 in this case?

> > > > >

> > > > > regds

> > > > > Dev

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta

> > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Case given by Neelam ji has Scorpio Ascendant and Leo navamsha.

> > > > > > 1. We need to see affliction to ninth house and ninth lord in birth

> > > > chart, chaturthamsa and dwadashamsha.

> > > > > > In birth chart, ninth house is aspected by Jupiter, Venus and

> > > > Mars.Where Venus and Mars are causing affliction to ninth house, as

> > sixth

> > > > and twelfth lords.

> > > > > > Ninth lord Moon is placed in second house Mercury and Mars. It is

> > > > aspected by Saturn.In birth chart ninth house/lord are affllicted.

> > > > > > In chaturthamsha, Venus is aspecting ninth house. It is causing

> > slight

> > > > affliction to ninth house.Ninth lord Moon is associated with Saturn,

> > Mars

> > > > and Mercury.Here ninth lord Moon is afflicted.

> > > > > > In D-12 no planet is aspecting ninth house but ninth lord is placed

> > in

> > > > sixth house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Affliction to fourth house/lord.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In birth chart fourth house is under Rahu-Ketu axis and fourth lord

> > > > Saturn a retrogarde and is under the malefic influence of Mars.

> > > > > > In D-4, Rahu-Ketu are placed along 4-10 axis. Fourth lord Saturn is

> > > > associated with Mars, Moon and Mercury.Where Mars and Mercury are sixth

> > and

> > > > eighth lords.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. PAC connection of eighth lord with ninth house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In birth chart eighth and ninth lords, Mercury and Moon are

> > conjunct

> > > > and are placed together in second house.

> > > > > > In D-4 again eighth and ninth lords are mutually aspecting each

> > other.

> > > > This PAC connection of eighth and ninth lord is not present in D-12

> > chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. PAC connection of 6th, 8th , 12th lords with dasha at birth in

> > all

> > > > the vargas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He got dasha of Venus ast birth, the twelfth lord of birth chart,

> > > > placed in third house indicating movement. Venus continues to be the

> > seventh

> > > > and twelfth lord of chaturthamsa, placed in third house unaspected,

> > > > indicating movement.

> > > > > > Please note- Dasha of third house is not good for parents.

> > > > > > In D-12 Venus is sixth lord.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sonia

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology <ancient_indian_

astrology (AT) (DOT)

> > > > com>

> > > > > > Fri, 5 February, 2010 9:19:44 PM

> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Factors for Adoption

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference

> > material

> > > > for adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed

> > > > mother in an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about

> > 3

> > > > months old.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3.12.1997/5/ 55 AM/Panjim, Goa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the

> > factors

> > > > for adoption in this chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

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February 7, 2010

Dear Awasthi ji,Thank you for the interesting case.Could you please tell us:If the family met with an accident/ or the child lost his parents?The adoption was not immediately after birth though the focus of dasha planets is on 4H at birth.

Sat-Sun in navamsha, both exalted means child enjoyed a good Sun-sat period. Vargottam moon in D-4, and exalted Jup aspecting from 6H so indicate a happiness for the child wherever he/she is.Did it happen in Moons MD?

RegardsNeelamOn 7 February 2010 16:22, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87 wrote:

Res Renu Ji

What are the factors under native gone to adoption

06-03-1997

00:26:00 IST

Delhi

He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

Thank & Regards

suresh awasthi-

February 7, 2010

Dear Suresh ji,

The shloka from Phaladeepika, posted by Vishnu ji applies here.

Scorpio lagna and Libra navamsha native.

9H is a movable sign.

Retrograde Sa is posited in 9H. Mars aspects 9H.

9L Moon is afflicted by Ma again.

12L Venus is exalted.

You may also notice that 9H in dwadashamsa and chaturshamsa is also afflicted in

this chart.

4H in lagna, dwadashamsa and chaturshamsa is also afflicted.

Hope this helps.

blessings,

Renu

, Suresh Awasthi

<sureshawasthi87 wrote:

>

> Res Renu Ji

> What are the factors under native gone to adoption

> 06-03-1997

> 00:26:00 IST

> Delhi

> He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

> Â

> Thank & Regards

> suresh awasthi

>

> --- On Sun, 2/7/10, renunw <renunw wrote:

>

> renunw <renunw

> Re: Factors for Adoption - Conditions from

Phaldeepika and Sarvarth chintamani

>

> Sunday, February 7, 2010, 7:39 AM

>

> Â

>

> Dear Vishnu ji,

>

> //'If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined with or

aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong, the child born

is sure to be adopted by another.''//

>

> Thanks for the above.......

>

> This perfectly applies to the case of an adopted girl I mentioned too, though

I did not post BD of the same.

>

> Leo Lagna, 9H a movable sign, aspected by retro Sa from 7H. 12HL Moon is

placed in 9H in lagna and exalted in navamsha.

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Vishnu " <vishnumohanalj@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Neelam Ji,

> >

> > Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.

> >

> > There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to this

> > chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of adoptions

> > too.

> >

> > ''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined

> > with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong,

> > the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''

> >

> > The idea behind the shloka is

> > A.9th house should be a movable sign (or)

> > B.9th lord should be in movable sign

> > C.Saturn's aspect

> > D.12th lord should be strong.

> >

> > In this case,

> >

> > 9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this

> > point is excluded.

> >

> > 9th lord is in dual sign(movable+ fixed) and has the aspect of

> > saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)

> > 12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in

> > navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.

> > Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a trikona

> > and hence strong.

> >

> > Conclusion-

> > In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a sign

> > which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the 12th

> > lord venus is also strong.

> >

> > Regarding the birth of the native-

> >

> > There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani

> >

> > ''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses are associated with the lord

> > of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is the

> > son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''

> >

> > This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with

> > somebody else other than legally wedded partner.

> >

> > Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =Mars

> > In this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.

> >

> > Request-

> > I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into two

> > equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15 degrees.I

> > dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.

> >

> > Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a fixed

> > sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the movable

> > sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.

> >

> > If this division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and Sarvarth

> > Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.

> >

> > Please correct me if i am wrong.

> >

> > Thanks and best wishes

> > vishnu

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference material

> > for

> > > adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.

> > >

> > > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed

> > mother in

> > > an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3 months

> > old.

> > >

> > > 3.12.1997/5/ 55 AM/Panjim, Goa

> > >

> > > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the factors

> > for

> > > adoption in this chart.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> >

>

February 7, 2010

Respected Neelam Ji,

Mother & Father is alive, and boy taken her mother milk only for three days, as she was

for three days in hospital.

Thanks & Regards

suresh awasthi

.......................................................................................................................--- On Sun, 2/7/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Factors for Adoption Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:23 PM

Dear Awasthi ji,Thank you for the interesting case.Could you please tell us:If the family met with an accident/ or the child lost his parents?The adoption was not immediately after birth though the focus of dasha planets is on 4H at birth.Sat-Sun in navamsha, both exalted means child enjoyed a good Sun-sat period. Vargottam moon in D-4, and exalted Jup aspecting from 6H so indicate a happiness for the child wherever he/she is.Did it happen in Moons MD?RegardsNeelam

On 7 February 2010 16:22, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:

Res Renu Ji

What are the factors under native gone to adoption

06-03-1997

00:26:00 IST

Delhi

He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

Thank & Regards

suresh awasthi-

February 7, 2010

Dear Renu ji,i am not able to tally some of the points here.It is scopio lagna, libra navamsha! Hopw we're takng 6 MAR 1997!RegardsNeelamOn 7 February 2010 22:03, renunw <renunw wrote:

Dear Suresh ji,

The shloka from Phaladeepika, posted by Vishnu ji applies here.

Scorpio lagna and Libra navamsha native.

9H is a movable sign.

Retrograde Sa is posited in 9H. Mars aspects 9H.

9L Moon is afflicted by Ma again.

12L Venus is exalted.

You may also notice that 9H in dwadashamsa and chaturshamsa is also afflicted in this chart.

4H in lagna, dwadashamsa and chaturshamsa is also afflicted.

Hope this helps.

blessings,

Renu

, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87 wrote:

>

> Res Renu Ji

> What are the factors under native gone to adoption

> 06-03-1997

> 00:26:00 IST

> Delhi

> He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

> Â

> Thank & Regards

> suresh awasthi

>

> --- On Sun, 2/7/10, renunw <renunw wrote:

>

> renunw <renunw

> Re: Factors for Adoption - Conditions from Phaldeepika and Sarvarth chintamani

>

> Sunday, February 7, 2010, 7:39 AM

>

> Â

>

> Dear Vishnu ji,

>

> //'If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong, the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''//

>

> Thanks for the above.......

>

> This perfectly applies to the case of an adopted girl I mentioned too, though I did not post BD of the same.

>

> Leo Lagna, 9H a movable sign, aspected by retro Sa from 7H. 12HL Moon is placed in 9H in lagna and exalted in navamsha.

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Vishnu " <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Neelam Ji,

> >

> > Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.

> >

> > There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to this

> > chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of adoptions

> > too.

> >

> > ''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined

> > with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong,

> > the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''

> >

> > The idea behind the shloka is

> > A.9th house should be a movable sign (or)

> > B.9th lord should be in movable sign

> > C.Saturn's aspect

> > D.12th lord should be strong.

> >

> > In this case,

> >

> > 9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this

> > point is excluded.

> >

> > 9th lord is in dual sign(movable+ fixed) and has the aspect of

> > saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)

> > 12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in

> > navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.

> > Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a trikona

> > and hence strong.

> >

> > Conclusion-

> > In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a sign

> > which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the 12th

> > lord venus is also strong.

> >

> > Regarding the birth of the native-

> >

> > There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani

> >

> > ''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses are associated with the lord

> > of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is the

> > son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''

> >

> > This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with

> > somebody else other than legally wedded partner.

> >

> > Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =Mars

> > In this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.

> >

> > Request-

> > I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into two

> > equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15 degrees.I

> > dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.

> >

> > Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a fixed

> > sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the movable

> > sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.

> >

> > If this division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and Sarvarth

> > Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.

> >

> > Please correct me if i am wrong.

> >

> > Thanks and best wishes

> > vishnu

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference material

> > for

> > > adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.

> > >

> > > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed

> > mother in

> > > an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3 months

> > old.

> > >

> > > 3.12.1997/5/ 55 AM/Panjim, Goa

> > >

> > > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the factors

> > for

> > > adoption in this chart.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> >

>

February 7, 2010

Respacted Renu Ji,

Something wrong with chart you made

kindly re check

Rasi chart attached

Thanks & Rgards

suresh awasthi

...................................................................................................

--- On Sun, 2/7/10, renunw <renunw wrote:

renunw <renunw Re: Factors for Adoption Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:33 PM

Dear Suresh ji,The shloka from Phaladeepika, posted by Vishnu ji applies here.Scorpio lagna and Libra navamsha native.9H is a movable sign.Retrograde Sa is posited in 9H. Mars aspects 9H.9L Moon is afflicted by Ma again. 12L Venus is exalted. You may also notice that 9H in dwadashamsa and chaturshamsa is also afflicted in this chart. 4H in lagna, dwadashamsa and chaturshamsa is also afflicted.Hope this helps.blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ ...> wrote:>> Res Renu Ji> What are the factors under native gone to adoption> 06-03-1997> 00:26:00 IST> Delhi>

He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.> Ã‚ > Thank & Regards> suresh awasthi> > --- On Sun, 2/7/10, renunw <renunw wrote:> > > renunw <renunw> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption - Conditions from Phaldeepika and Sarvarth chintamani> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, February 7, 2010, 7:39 AM> > > Ã‚ > > > > Dear Vishnu ji,> > //'If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong, the child born is sure to be adopted by

another.''//> > Thanks for the above.......> > This perfectly applies to the case of an adopted girl I mentioned too, though I did not post BD of the same.> > Leo Lagna, 9H a movable sign, aspected by retro Sa from 7H. 12HL Moon is placed in 9H in lagna and exalted in navamsha.> > blessings,> > Renu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu" <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Neelam Ji,> >> > Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.> >> > There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to this> > chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of adoptions> > too.> >> > ''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined> > with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord

of the 12th, house be strong,> > the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''> >> > The idea behind the shloka is> > A.9th house should be a movable sign (or)> > B.9th lord should be in movable sign> > C.Saturn's aspect> > D.12th lord should be strong.> >> >> > In this case,> >> > 9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this> > point is excluded.> >> > 9th lord is in dual sign(movable+ fixed) and has the aspect of> > saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)> > 12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in> > navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.> > Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a trikona> > and hence strong.> >> >

Conclusion-> > In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a sign> > which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the 12th> > lord venus is also strong.> >> >> > Regarding the birth of the native-> >> > There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani> >> > ''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses are associated with the lord> > of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is the> > son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''> >> >> > This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with> > somebody else other than legally wedded partner.> >> > Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =Mars> > In this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.> >> >

Request-> > I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into two> > equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15 degrees.I> > dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.> >> > Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a fixed> > sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the movable> > sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.> >> > If this division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and Sarvarth> > Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.> >> >> > Please correct me if i am wrong.> >> > Thanks and best wishes> > vishnu> >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta> > <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:>

> >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference material> > for> > > adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.> > >> > > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed> > mother in> > > an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3 months> > old.> > >> > > 3.12.1997/5/ 55 AM/Panjim, Goa> > >> > > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the factors> > for> > > adoption in this chart.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> >>

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February 8, 2010

Dear Neelam ji,

//Hope we're takng 6 MAR 1997!//

Hmm...yes. I get Scorpio lagna and libra navamsa..

blessings,

Renu

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji,

>

> i am not able to tally some of the points here.

> It is scopio lagna, libra navamsha!

>

> Hopw we're takng 6 MAR 1997!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> On 7 February 2010 22:03, renunw <renunw wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Suresh ji,

> >

> > The shloka from Phaladeepika, posted by Vishnu ji applies here.

> >

> > Scorpio lagna and Libra navamsha native.

> >

> > 9H is a movable sign.

> >

> > Retrograde Sa is posited in 9H. Mars aspects 9H.

> >

> > 9L Moon is afflicted by Ma again.

> >

> > 12L Venus is exalted.

> >

> > You may also notice that 9H in dwadashamsa and chaturshamsa is also

> > afflicted in this chart.

> >

> > 4H in lagna, dwadashamsa and chaturshamsa is also afflicted.

> >

> > Hope this helps.

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Res Renu Ji

> > > What are the factors under native gone to adoption

> > > 06-03-1997

> > > 00:26:00 IST

> > > Delhi

> > > He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

> > > Â

> > > Thank & Regards

> > > suresh awasthi

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 2/7/10, renunw <renunw@> wrote:

> > >

> > > renunw <renunw@>

> > > Re: Factors for Adoption - Conditions

> > from Phaldeepika and Sarvarth chintamani

> > > To:

<%40.\

com>

> > > Sunday, February 7, 2010, 7:39 AM

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > > Dear Vishnu ji,

> > >

> > > //'If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined

> > with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong, the

> > child born is sure to be adopted by another.''//

> > >

> > > Thanks for the above.......

> > >

> > > This perfectly applies to the case of an adopted girl I mentioned too,

> > though I did not post BD of the same.

> > >

> > > Leo Lagna, 9H a movable sign, aspected by retro Sa from 7H. 12HL Moon is

> > placed in 9H in lagna and exalted in navamsha.

> > >

> > > blessings,

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Vishnu "

> > <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.

> > > >

> > > > There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to this

> > > > chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of adoptions

> > > > too.

> > > >

> > > > ''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined

> > > > with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be

> > strong,

> > > > the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''

> > > >

> > > > The idea behind the shloka is

> > > > A.9th house should be a movable sign (or)

> > > > B.9th lord should be in movable sign

> > > > C.Saturn's aspect

> > > > D.12th lord should be strong.

> > > >

> > > > In this case,

> > > >

> > > > 9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this

> > > > point is excluded.

> > > >

> > > > 9th lord is in dual sign(movable+ fixed) and has the aspect of

> > > > saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)

> > > > 12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in

> > > > navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.

> > > > Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a

> > trikona

> > > > and hence strong.

> > > >

> > > > Conclusion-

> > > > In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a

> > sign

> > > > which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the

> > 12th

> > > > lord venus is also strong.

> > > >

> > > > Regarding the birth of the native-

> > > >

> > > > There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani

> > > >

> > > > ''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses are associated with the lord

> > > > of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is the

> > > > son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''

> > > >

> > > > This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with

> > > > somebody else other than legally wedded partner.

> > > >

> > > > Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =Mars

> > > > In this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.

> > > >

> > > > Request-

> > > > I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into two

> > > > equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15 degrees.I

> > > > dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.

> > > >

> > > > Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a fixed

> > > > sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the

> > movable

> > > > sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.

> > > >

> > > > If this division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and Sarvarth

> > > > Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.

> > > >

> > > > Please correct me if i am wrong.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and best wishes

> > > > vishnu

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > > > <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference

> > material

> > > > for

> > > > > adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed

> > > > mother in

> > > > > an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3 months

> > > > old.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3.12.1997/5/ 55 AM/Panjim, Goa

> > > > >

> > > > > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the factors

> > > > for

> > > > > adoption in this chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 8, 2010

Renuji,

Your Lagna is OK but analysis does not match with the planet placement. If using

Jhora, click new and then enter data again. sometimes, there is problem with

software.

regds

Dev

, " renunw " <renunw wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam ji,

>

> //Hope we're takng 6 MAR 1997!//

>

> Hmm...yes. I get Scorpio lagna and libra navamsa..

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renu ji,

> >

> > i am not able to tally some of the points here.

> > It is scopio lagna, libra navamsha!

> >

> > Hopw we're takng 6 MAR 1997!

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> > On 7 February 2010 22:03, renunw <renunw@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Suresh ji,

> > >

> > > The shloka from Phaladeepika, posted by Vishnu ji applies here.

> > >

> > > Scorpio lagna and Libra navamsha native.

> > >

> > > 9H is a movable sign.

> > >

> > > Retrograde Sa is posited in 9H. Mars aspects 9H.

> > >

> > > 9L Moon is afflicted by Ma again.

> > >

> > > 12L Venus is exalted.

> > >

> > > You may also notice that 9H in dwadashamsa and chaturshamsa is also

> > > afflicted in this chart.

> > >

> > > 4H in lagna, dwadashamsa and chaturshamsa is also afflicted.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps.

> > >

> > > blessings,

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Res Renu Ji

> > > > What are the factors under native gone to adoption

> > > > 06-03-1997

> > > > 00:26:00 IST

> > > > Delhi

> > > > He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

> > > > Â

> > > > Thank & Regards

> > > > suresh awasthi

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 2/7/10, renunw <renunw@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > renunw <renunw@>

> > > > Re: Factors for Adoption -

Conditions

> > > from Phaldeepika and Sarvarth chintamani

> > > > To:

<%40.\

com>

> > > > Sunday, February 7, 2010, 7:39 AM

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vishnu ji,

> > > >

> > > > //'If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined

> > > with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong,

the

> > > child born is sure to be adopted by another.''//

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the above.......

> > > >

> > > > This perfectly applies to the case of an adopted girl I mentioned too,

> > > though I did not post BD of the same.

> > > >

> > > > Leo Lagna, 9H a movable sign, aspected by retro Sa from 7H. 12HL Moon is

> > > placed in 9H in lagna and exalted in navamsha.

> > > >

> > > > blessings,

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Vishnu "

> > > <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to

this

> > > > > chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of

adoptions

> > > > > too.

> > > > >

> > > > > ''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined

> > > > > with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be

> > > strong,

> > > > > the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''

> > > > >

> > > > > The idea behind the shloka is

> > > > > A.9th house should be a movable sign (or)

> > > > > B.9th lord should be in movable sign

> > > > > C.Saturn's aspect

> > > > > D.12th lord should be strong.

> > > > >

> > > > > In this case,

> > > > >

> > > > > 9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this

> > > > > point is excluded.

> > > > >

> > > > > 9th lord is in dual sign(movable+ fixed) and has the aspect of

> > > > > saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)

> > > > > 12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in

> > > > > navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.

> > > > > Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a

> > > trikona

> > > > > and hence strong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Conclusion-

> > > > > In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a

> > > sign

> > > > > which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the

> > > 12th

> > > > > lord venus is also strong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding the birth of the native-

> > > > >

> > > > > There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani

> > > > >

> > > > > ''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses are associated with the lord

> > > > > of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is

the

> > > > > son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''

> > > > >

> > > > > This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with

> > > > > somebody else other than legally wedded partner.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =Mars

> > > > > In this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.

> > > > >

> > > > > Request-

> > > > > I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into

two

> > > > > equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15 degrees.I

> > > > > dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.

> > > > >

> > > > > Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a

fixed

> > > > > sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the

> > > movable

> > > > > sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.

> > > > >

> > > > > If this division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and Sarvarth

> > > > > Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please correct me if i am wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and best wishes

> > > > > vishnu

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > > > > <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference

> > > material

> > > > > for

> > > > > > adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed

> > > > > mother in

> > > > > > an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3

months

> > > > > old.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3.12.1997/5/ 55 AM/Panjim, Goa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the

factors

> > > > > for

> > > > > > adoption in this chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 8, 2010

Thanks Dev ji...I will check. I am down with flu...may be the mind is affected

too:(

blessings,

Renu

, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:

>

> Renuji,

>

> Your Lagna is OK but analysis does not match with the planet placement. If

using Jhora, click new and then enter data again. sometimes, there is problem

with software.

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> , " renunw " <renunw@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Neelam ji,

> >

> > //Hope we're takng 6 MAR 1997!//

> >

> > Hmm...yes. I get Scorpio lagna and libra navamsa..

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > , neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renu ji,

> > >

> > > i am not able to tally some of the points here.

> > > It is scopio lagna, libra navamsha!

> > >

> > > Hopw we're takng 6 MAR 1997!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > > On 7 February 2010 22:03, renunw <renunw@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Suresh ji,

> > > >

> > > > The shloka from Phaladeepika, posted by Vishnu ji applies here.

> > > >

> > > > Scorpio lagna and Libra navamsha native.

> > > >

> > > > 9H is a movable sign.

> > > >

> > > > Retrograde Sa is posited in 9H. Mars aspects 9H.

> > > >

> > > > 9L Moon is afflicted by Ma again.

> > > >

> > > > 12L Venus is exalted.

> > > >

> > > > You may also notice that 9H in dwadashamsa and chaturshamsa is also

> > > > afflicted in this chart.

> > > >

> > > > 4H in lagna, dwadashamsa and chaturshamsa is also afflicted.

> > > >

> > > > Hope this helps.

> > > >

> > > > blessings,

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > > Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Res Renu Ji

> > > > > What are the factors under native gone to adoption

> > > > > 06-03-1997

> > > > > 00:26:00 IST

> > > > > Delhi

> > > > > He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Thank & Regards

> > > > > suresh awasthi

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 2/7/10, renunw <renunw@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > renunw <renunw@>

> > > > > Re: Factors for Adoption -

Conditions

> > > > from Phaldeepika and Sarvarth chintamani

> > > > > To:

<%40.\

com>

> > > > > Sunday, February 7, 2010, 7:39 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vishnu ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > //'If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined

> > > > with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong,

the

> > > > child born is sure to be adopted by another.''//

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for the above.......

> > > > >

> > > > > This perfectly applies to the case of an adopted girl I mentioned too,

> > > > though I did not post BD of the same.

> > > > >

> > > > > Leo Lagna, 9H a movable sign, aspected by retro Sa from 7H. 12HL Moon

is

> > > > placed in 9H in lagna and exalted in navamsha.

> > > > >

> > > > > blessings,

> > > > >

> > > > > Renu

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Vishnu "

> > > > <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to

this

> > > > > > chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of

adoptions

> > > > > > too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined

> > > > > > with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be

> > > > strong,

> > > > > > the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The idea behind the shloka is

> > > > > > A.9th house should be a movable sign (or)

> > > > > > B.9th lord should be in movable sign

> > > > > > C.Saturn's aspect

> > > > > > D.12th lord should be strong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In this case,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this

> > > > > > point is excluded.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 9th lord is in dual sign(movable+ fixed) and has the aspect of

> > > > > > saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)

> > > > > > 12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in

> > > > > > navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.

> > > > > > Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a

> > > > trikona

> > > > > > and hence strong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Conclusion-

> > > > > > In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a

> > > > sign

> > > > > > which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the

> > > > 12th

> > > > > > lord venus is also strong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding the birth of the native-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses are associated with the

lord

> > > > > > of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is

the

> > > > > > son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with

> > > > > > somebody else other than legally wedded partner.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =Mars

> > > > > > In this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Request-

> > > > > > I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into

two

> > > > > > equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15

degrees.I

> > > > > > dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a

fixed

> > > > > > sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the

> > > > movable

> > > > > > sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If this division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and

Sarvarth

> > > > > > Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please correct me if i am wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and best wishes

> > > > > > vishnu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference

> > > > material

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed

> > > > > > mother in

> > > > > > > an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3

months

> > > > > > old.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3.12.1997/5/ 55 AM/Panjim, Goa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the

factors

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > adoption in this chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 8, 2010

Dear Suresh ji,

Yes, I seem to have gone wrong. Thanks...but I cannot see any attachments. Will

re-do the chart:)

blessings,

Renu

, Suresh Awasthi

<sureshawasthi87 wrote:

>

> Respacted Renu Ji,

> Something wrong with chart you made

> kindly re check

> Rasi chart attached

> Â

> Thanks & Rgards

> suresh awasthi

>

.................................................................................\

...................

> Â

>

> --- On Sun, 2/7/10, renunw <renunw wrote:

>

> renunw <renunw

> Re: Factors for Adoption

>

> Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:33 PM

>

> Â

>

> Dear Suresh ji,

>

> The shloka from Phaladeepika, posted by Vishnu ji applies here.

>

> Scorpio lagna and Libra navamsha native.

>

> 9H is a movable sign.

>

> Retrograde Sa is posited in 9H. Mars aspects 9H.

>

> 9L Moon is afflicted by Ma again.

>

> 12L Venus is exalted.

>

> You may also notice that 9H in dwadashamsa and chaturshamsa is also afflicted

in this chart.

>

> 4H in lagna, dwadashamsa and chaturshamsa is also afflicted.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Suresh Awasthi

<sureshawasthi87@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Res Renu Ji

> > What are the factors under native gone to adoption

> > 06-03-1997

> > 00:26:00 IST

> > Delhi

> > He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

> > Ã‚Â

> > Thank & Regards

> > suresh awasthi

> >

> > --- On Sun, 2/7/10, renunw <renunw@> wrote:

> >

> > renunw <renunw@>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption - Conditions

from Phaldeepika and Sarvarth chintamani

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Sunday, February 7, 2010, 7:39 AM

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > Dear Vishnu ji,

> >

> > //'If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined with

or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong, the child

born is sure to be adopted by another.''//

> >

> > Thanks for the above.......

> >

> > This perfectly applies to the case of an adopted girl I mentioned too,

though I did not post BD of the same.

> >

> > Leo Lagna, 9H a movable sign, aspected by retro Sa from 7H. 12HL Moon is

placed in 9H in lagna and exalted in navamsha.

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Vishnu "

<vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Neelam Ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for the chart.These kind of charts are rare to collect.

> > >

> > > There is a condition in Phaladeepika which partly/fully applies to this

> > > chart .It is a shloka which may be useful in future charts of adoptions

> > > too.

> > >

> > > ''If the 9th house or its lord being in a moveable sign is conjoined

> > > with or aspected by Saturn and if the lord of the 12th, house be strong,

> > > the child born is sure to be adopted by another.''

> > >

> > > The idea behind the shloka is

> > > A.9th house should be a movable sign (or)

> > > B.9th lord should be in movable sign

> > > C.Saturn's aspect

> > > D.12th lord should be strong.

> > >

> > > In this case,

> > >

> > > 9th house is in a movable sign but with no aspect of saturn.So this

> > > point is excluded.

> > >

> > > 9th lord is in dual sign(movable+ fixed) and has the aspect of

> > > saturn(This is the partial application i mentioned)

> > > 12th lord Venus is with benefic Jupiter and is also vargottama in

> > > navamsa,drekkana and dwadasamsa making it very strong.

> > > Its dispositor in rasi and navamsa(ie saturn) is retrograde in a trikona

> > > and hence strong.

> > >

> > > Conclusion-

> > > In other words in this chart,9 H is a movable sign,9th lord is in a sign

> > > which has movable properties and is also aspected by saturn and the 12th

> > > lord venus is also strong.

> > >

> > > Regarding the birth of the native-

> > >

> > > There is a shloka from Sarvarth Chintamani

> > >

> > > ''When the lord of the 4th and 9th houses are associated with the lord

> > > of the Navamsha occupied by the lord of the 6th house,the native is the

> > > son of a paramour of the mother and not his father''

> > >

> > > This shloka shows birth out of illicit relationship of mother with

> > > somebody else other than legally wedded partner.

> > >

> > > Here 4th lord= saturn9th lord = moonNavamsa lord of 6th lord =Mars

> > > In this chart, saturn aspect Moon and Mars.

> > >

> > > Request-

> > > I read some time ago in a classic about dividing the dual sign into two

> > > equal parts of fixed sign and movable sign -each covering 15 degrees.I

> > > dont remember it now exactly.So kindly remind me if possible.

> > >

> > > Faint rememberance - The 15 degrees in dual sign which succeeds a fixed

> > > sign belongs to the fixed part and the remaining which faces the movable

> > > sign belongs to the movable part. And Viceversa.

> > >

> > > If this division is followed,the shloka from Phaladeepika and Sarvarth

> > > Chintamani are well applicable in this chart.

> > >

> > > Please correct me if i am wrong.

> > >

> > > Thanks and best wishes

> > > vishnu

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > > <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > I thank Sonia ji for giving good pointers, and also reference material

> > > for

> > > > adoption. We can have a more meaningful discussion on the topic.

> > > >

> > > > I am giving below birth details of a boy who was left by his unwed

> > > mother in

> > > > an orphanage and adopted by another family when he was about 3 months

> > > old.

> > > >

> > > > 3.12.1997/5/ 55 AM/Panjim, Goa

> > > >

> > > > I request Sonia ji and other learned members to delineate the factors

> > > for

> > > > adoption in this chart.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 8, 2010

Sureshji,

This chart is good example where D-12 is more involved in terms of 4th and 9th

lord affliction. Was it a relative to reltive adoption? Mother would not have

been interested from innner heart but gave in because of Father and Family, a

natural sacrifice.

regds

Dev

, Suresh Awasthi

<sureshawasthi87 wrote:

>

> Respected Neelam Ji,

> Mother & Father is alive, and boy taken her mother milk only for three days,

as she was

> for three days in hospital.

> Thanks & Regards

> suresh awasthi

>

.................................................................................\

.......................................

>

> --- On Sun, 2/7/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

> Re: Factors for Adoption

>

> Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:23 PM

>

> Â

>

> Dear Awasthi ji,

>

> Thank you for the interesting case.

>

> Could you pleaseÂ tell us:

> If the family met with an accident/ or the child lost his parents?

> The adoption was not immediately after birth though the focus of dasha

planetsÂ is on 4H at birth.

> Sat-Sun in navamsha, both exalted means child enjoyed a good Sun-sat period.

> Vargottam moon in D-4, and exalted Jup aspecting from 6H so indicate a

happiness for the child wherever he/she is.

> Did it happen in Moons MD?

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> On 7 February 2010 16:22, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:

>

> Â

>

Res Renu Ji

> What are the factors under native gone to adoption

> 06-03-1997

> 00:26:00 IST

> Delhi

> He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

> Â

> Thank & Regards

> suresh awasthi

>

> -

>

February 8, 2010

Dear Suresh Ji,Kindly give some more details about this child. Born in Suns dasha, with ninth and twelfth lords of birth chart, shift of residence is convincing. In D-4 also Suns role in shift of residence is understood, but followed by MD of Moon, forming a Gaja kesari yoga as well as dhana yoga in birth chart. Trinal lord of D-12 aspected by exalted Jupiter, how can this child go to a poor family?Is this child creative by nature? Dasha of Moon with fifth lord Jupiter, how is his education? Is he intersted in Science subjects?Is this child active in sports?Regards,SoniaSuresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87 Sent: Sun, 7 February, 2010 10:15:57 PM Re: Factors for Adoption

Respected Neelam Ji,

Mother & Father is alive, and boy taken her mother milk only for three days, as she was

for three days in hospital.

Thanks & Regards

suresh awasthi

............. ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .......--- On Sun, 2/7/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Factors for Adoptionancient_indian_ astrologySunday, February 7, 2010, 4:23 PM

Dear Awasthi ji,Thank you for the interesting case.Could you please tell us:If the family met with an accident/ or the child lost his parents?The adoption was not immediately after birth though the focus of dasha planets is on 4H at birth.Sat-Sun in navamsha, both exalted means child enjoyed a good Sun-sat period. Vargottam moon in D-4, and exalted Jup aspecting from 6H so indicate a happiness for the child wherever he/she is.Did it happen in Moons MD?RegardsNeelam

On 7 February 2010 16:22, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:

Res Renu Ji

What are the factors under native gone to adoption

06-03-1997

00:26:00 IST

Delhi

He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

Thank & Regards

suresh awasthi-

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Soniaji,

Sun is with 8th and 12th lord and not 9th and 12th. How shift of residence is

convincing in D-4 in sun Dasa. Can u please explain?

regds

Dev

, Sonia Mehdiratta

<sonia_mehdiratta wrote:

>

> Dear Suresh Ji,

>

> Kindly give some more details about this child. Born in Suns dasha, with ninth

and twelfth lords of birth chart, shift of residence is convincing. In D-4 also

Suns role in shift of residence is understood, but followed by MD of Moon,

forming a Gaja kesari yoga as well as dhana yoga in birth chart. Trinal lord of

D-12 aspected by exalted Jupiter, how can this child go to a poor family?

> Is this child creative by nature? Dasha of Moon with fifth lord Jupiter, how

is his education? Is he intersted in Science subjects?

> Is this child active in sports?

>

> Regards,

>

> Sonia

>

> ________________________________

> Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87

>

> Sun, 7 February, 2010 10:15:57 PM

> Re: Factors for Adoption

>

> Respected Neelam Ji,

> Mother & Father is alive, and boy taken her mother milk only for three days,

as she was

> for three days in hospital.

> Thanks & Regards

> suresh awasthi

> ............ ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .........

.......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .......

>

> --- On Sun, 2/7/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

>

> >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Factors for Adoption

> >ancient_indian_ astrology

> >Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:23 PM

> >

> >Dear Awasthi ji,

> >

> >Thank you for the interesting case.

> >

> >Could you please tell us:

> >If the family met with an accident/ or the child lost his parents?

> >The adoption was not immediately after birth though the focus of dasha

planets is on 4H at birth.

> >Sat-Sun in navamsha, both exalted means child enjoyed a good Sun-sat period.

> >Vargottam moon in D-4, and exalted Jup aspecting from 6H so indicate a

happiness for the child wherever he/she is.

> >Did it happen in Moons MD?

> >

> >Regards

> >Neelam

> >

> >On 7 February 2010 16:22, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:

> >

> >>Res Renu Ji

> >>What are the factors under native gone to adoption

> >>06-03-1997

> >>00:26:00 IST

> >>Delhi

> >>He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

> >>

> >>Thank & Regards

> >>suresh awasthi

> >>

> >>-

> >

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February 8, 2010

Dev Ji,Thanks for correction, i was trying to see the chart from Tula lagna also. Yes its 8th and 12th lord of birth chart. In D-4, Kumbha lagna is rising. Sun is seventh lord in seventh house, the house of travel, aspected by twelfth lord Saturn.Regards,Soniaaxeplex <axeplex Sent: Mon, 8 February, 2010 11:18:33 AM Re: Factors for Adoption

Soniaji,

Sun is with 8th and 12th lord and not 9th and 12th. How shift of residence is convincing in D-4 in sun Dasa. Can u please explain?

regds

Dev

ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Suresh Ji,

>

> Kindly give some more details about this child. Born in Suns dasha, with ninth and twelfth lords of birth chart, shift of residence is convincing. In D-4 also Suns role in shift of residence is understood, but followed by MD of Moon, forming a Gaja kesari yoga as well as dhana yoga in birth chart. Trinal lord of D-12 aspected by exalted Jupiter, how can this child go to a poor family?

> Is this child creative by nature? Dasha of Moon with fifth lord Jupiter, how is his education? Is he intersted in Science subjects?

> Is this child active in sports?

>

> Regards,

>

> Sonia

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ ...>

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sun, 7 February, 2010 10:15:57 PM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption

>

> Respected Neelam Ji,

> Mother & Father is alive, and boy taken her mother milk only for three days, as she was

> for three days in hospital.

> Thanks & Regards

> suresh awasthi

> ............ ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .......

>

> --- On Sun, 2/7/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

>

> >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Factors for Adoption

> >ancient_indian_ astrology

> >Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:23 PM

> >

> >Dear Awasthi ji,

> >

> >Thank you for the interesting case.

> >

> >Could you please tell us:

> >If the family met with an accident/ or the child lost his parents?

> >The adoption was not immediately after birth though the focus of dasha planets is on 4H at birth.

> >Sat-Sun in navamsha, both exalted means child enjoyed a good Sun-sat period.

> >Vargottam moon in D-4, and exalted Jup aspecting from 6H so indicate a happiness for the child wherever he/she is.

> >Did it happen in Moons MD?

> >

> >Regards

> >Neelam

> >

> >On 7 February 2010 16:22, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:

> >

> >>Res Renu Ji

> >>What are the factors under native gone to adoption

> >>06-03-1997

> >>00:26:00 IST

> >>Delhi

> >>He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

> >>

> >>Thank & Regards

> >>suresh awasthi

> >>

> >>-

> >

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Soniaji,

// Sun is seventh lord in seventh house, the house of travel, aspected by

twelfth lord Saturn. //

This does not show change of that order which is mentioned by Sureshji. To me,

this may be case of relative to relative adoption where son would be very well

in touch with at least mother and might be getting support from original family

as well.

regds

Dev

, Sonia Mehdiratta

<sonia_mehdiratta wrote:

>

> Dev Ji,

>

> Thanks for correction, i was trying to see the chart from Tula lagna also. Yes

its 8th and 12th lord of birth chart. In D-4, Kumbha lagna is rising. Sun is

seventh lord in seventh house, the house of travel, aspected by twelfth lord

Saturn.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sonia

>

> ________________________________

> axeplex <axeplex

>

> Mon, 8 February, 2010 11:18:33 AM

> Re: Factors for Adoption

>

> Soniaji,

>

> Sun is with 8th and 12th lord and not 9th and 12th. How shift of residence is

convincing in D-4 in sun Dasa. Can u please explain?

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta

<sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Suresh Ji,

> >

> > Kindly give some more details about this child. Born in Suns dasha, with

ninth and twelfth lords of birth chart, shift of residence is convincing. In D-4

also Suns role in shift of residence is understood, but followed by MD of Moon,

forming a Gaja kesari yoga as well as dhana yoga in birth chart. Trinal lord of

D-12 aspected by exalted Jupiter, how can this child go to a poor family?

> > Is this child creative by nature? Dasha of Moon with fifth lord Jupiter, how

is his education? Is he intersted in Science subjects?

> > Is this child active in sports?

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sonia

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ ...>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Sun, 7 February, 2010 10:15:57 PM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption

> >

> > Respected Neelam Ji,

> > Mother & Father is alive, and boy taken her mother milk only for three days,

as she was

> > for three days in hospital.

> > Thanks & Regards

> > suresh awasthi

> > ............ ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .........

.......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .......

> >

> > --- On Sun, 2/7/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Factors for Adoption

> > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:23 PM

> > >

> > >Dear Awasthi ji,

> > >

> > >Thank you for the interesting case.

> > >

> > >Could you please tell us:

> > >If the family met with an accident/ or the child lost his parents?

> > >The adoption was not immediately after birth though the focus of dasha

planets is on 4H at birth.

> > >Sat-Sun in navamsha, both exalted means child enjoyed a good Sun-sat

period.

> > >Vargottam moon in D-4, and exalted Jup aspecting from 6H so indicate a

happiness for the child wherever he/she is.

> > >Did it happen in Moons MD?

> > >

> > >Regards

> > >Neelam

> > >

> > >On 7 February 2010 16:22, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > >>Res Renu Ji

> > >>What are the factors under native gone to adoption

> > >>06-03-1997

> > >>00:26:00 IST

> > >>Delhi

> > >>He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

> > >>

> > >>Thank & Regards

> > >>suresh awasthi

> > >>

> > >>-

> > >

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February 8, 2010

Dev Ji,Even if its a relative to relative change childs residence is changing. In D-4 my aim is mainly to see does dasha indicate this changes residence/environment. The only reason i asked him for more details is because chart is presenting a very different story from what Suresh Ji is has mentioned.Moon is placed in third house of birth chart with Jupiter. In D-3 also Moon is placed in eleventh house and is aspected by Jupiter the lagna lord of D-3. If we take first dreshkona then Moon comes to third house. Does it mean he has more coborns?Unless we are sure about birth time in this case, there is no point applying the parameters of adoption.Regards,Soniaaxeplex <axeplex Sent: Mon, 8 February, 2010 11:46:26 AM Re: Factors for Adoption

Soniaji,

// Sun is seventh lord in seventh house, the house of travel, aspected by twelfth lord Saturn. //

This does not show change of that order which is mentioned by Sureshji. To me, this may be case of relative to relative adoption where son would be very well in touch with at least mother and might be getting support from original family as well.

regds

Dev

ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dev Ji,

>

> Thanks for correction, i was trying to see the chart from Tula lagna also. Yes its 8th and 12th lord of birth chart. In D-4, Kumbha lagna is rising. Sun is seventh lord in seventh house, the house of travel, aspected by twelfth lord Saturn.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sonia

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> axeplex <axeplex >

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Mon, 8 February, 2010 11:18:33 AM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption

>

> Soniaji,

>

> Sun is with 8th and 12th lord and not 9th and 12th. How shift of residence is convincing in D-4 in sun Dasa. Can u please explain?

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Suresh Ji,

> >

> > Kindly give some more details about this child. Born in Suns dasha, with ninth and twelfth lords of birth chart, shift of residence is convincing. In D-4 also Suns role in shift of residence is understood, but followed by MD of Moon, forming a Gaja kesari yoga as well as dhana yoga in birth chart. Trinal lord of D-12 aspected by exalted Jupiter, how can this child go to a poor family?

> > Is this child creative by nature? Dasha of Moon with fifth lord Jupiter, how is his education? Is he intersted in Science subjects?

> > Is this child active in sports?

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sonia

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ ...>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Sun, 7 February, 2010 10:15:57 PM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption

> >

> > Respected Neelam Ji,

> > Mother & Father is alive, and boy taken her mother milk only for three days, as she was

> > for three days in hospital.

> > Thanks & Regards

> > suresh awasthi

> > ............ ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .......

> >

> > --- On Sun, 2/7/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Factors for Adoption

> > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:23 PM

> > >

> > >Dear Awasthi ji,

> > >

> > >Thank you for the interesting case.

> > >

> > >Could you please tell us:

> > >If the family met with an accident/ or the child lost his parents?

> > >The adoption was not immediately after birth though the focus of dasha planets is on 4H at birth.

> > >Sat-Sun in navamsha, both exalted means child enjoyed a good Sun-sat period.

> > >Vargottam moon in D-4, and exalted Jup aspecting from 6H so indicate a happiness for the child wherever he/she is.

> > >Did it happen in Moons MD?

> > >

> > >Regards

> > >Neelam

> > >

> > >On 7 February 2010 16:22, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:

> > >

> > >>Res Renu Ji

> > >>What are the factors under native gone to adoption

> > >>06-03-1997

> > >>00:26:00 IST

> > >>Delhi

> > >>He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

> > >>

> > >>Thank & Regards

> > >>suresh awasthi

> > >>

> > >>-

> > >

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Respacted Renu Ji,

Attachment in Word File

Rasi & navansa chart

Thanks & Regards

suresh awasthi

1 of 1 File(s)

Doc1.docx

February 8, 2010

Dear Dev Ji,

Yes It is relative to relative

With Regards

suresh awasthi

February 8, 2010

Respacted Sonia Ji,

His new father runs a small grocery shop and his mother is mother sister, he is not good in

studies but vary intelligent,he do not play much out door sports as now days children do not

play, whole day front of t.v

what more detail you want I will provide

With Regards

suresh

February 8, 2010

Suresh Ji,Thanks a lot for these inputs. Please answer the following questions-1. How is his mothers health since 1999, any serious health aliments last year?2. Any shift in residence?3. Was his school/place of education changed last year? Has there been distraction in his studies?4. Does he have coborns? How many?5. I feel he is a creative child.Apart from this please let me know any other past event in case you are aware of it.Regards,SoniaSuresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87 Sent: Mon, 8 February, 2010 3:16:15 PM Re: Factors for Adoption

Respacted Sonia Ji,

His new father runs a small grocery shop and his mother is mother sister, he is not good in

studies but vary intelligent, he do not play much out door sports as now days children do not

play, whole day front of t.v

what more detail you want I will provide

With Regards

suresh

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Soniaji,

What does mere aspect of Ju suggests? Anyway, you can recall the marana karaka

concept here.

regds

Dev

, Sonia Mehdiratta

<sonia_mehdiratta wrote:

>

> Dev Ji,

>

> Even if its a relative to relative change childs residence is changing. In D-4

my aim is mainly to see does dasha indicate this changes residence/environment.

The only reason i asked him for more details is because chart is presenting a

very different story from what Suresh Ji is has mentioned.

> Moon is placed in third house of birth chart with Jupiter. In D-3 also Moon is

placed in eleventh house and is aspected by Jupiter the lagna lord of D-3. If we

take first dreshkona then Moon comes to third house. Does it mean he has more

coborns?

> Unless we are sure about birth time in this case, there is no point applying

the parameters of adoption.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sonia

>

> ________________________________

> axeplex <axeplex

>

> Mon, 8 February, 2010 11:46:26 AM

> Re: Factors for Adoption

>

> Soniaji,

>

> // Sun is seventh lord in seventh house, the house of travel, aspected by

twelfth lord Saturn. //

>

> This does not show change of that order which is mentioned by Sureshji. To me,

this may be case of relative to relative adoption where son would be very well

in touch with at least mother and might be getting support from original family

as well.

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta

<sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dev Ji,

> >

> > Thanks for correction, i was trying to see the chart from Tula lagna also.

Yes its 8th and 12th lord of birth chart. In D-4, Kumbha lagna is rising. Sun is

seventh lord in seventh house, the house of travel, aspected by twelfth lord

Saturn.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sonia

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > axeplex <axeplex@ >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Mon, 8 February, 2010 11:18:33 AM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption

> >

> > Soniaji,

> >

> > Sun is with 8th and 12th lord and not 9th and 12th. How shift of residence

is convincing in D-4 in sun Dasa. Can u please explain?

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta

<sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Suresh Ji,

> > >

> > > Kindly give some more details about this child. Born in Suns dasha, with

ninth and twelfth lords of birth chart, shift of residence is convincing. In D-4

also Suns role in shift of residence is understood, but followed by MD of Moon,

forming a Gaja kesari yoga as well as dhana yoga in birth chart. Trinal lord of

D-12 aspected by exalted Jupiter, how can this child go to a poor family?

> > > Is this child creative by nature? Dasha of Moon with fifth lord Jupiter,

how is his education? Is he intersted in Science subjects?

> > > Is this child active in sports?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sonia

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ ...>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Sun, 7 February, 2010 10:15:57 PM

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption

> > >

> > > Respected Neelam Ji,

> > > Mother & Father is alive, and boy taken her mother milk only for three

days, as she was

> > > for three days in hospital.

> > > Thanks & Regards

> > > suresh awasthi

> > > ............ ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .........

.......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .......

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 2/7/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Factors for Adoption

> > > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > >Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:23 PM

> > > >

> > > >Dear Awasthi ji,

> > > >

> > > >Thank you for the interesting case.

> > > >

> > > >Could you please tell us:

> > > >If the family met with an accident/ or the child lost his parents?

> > > >The adoption was not immediately after birth though the focus of dasha

planets is on 4H at birth.

> > > >Sat-Sun in navamsha, both exalted means child enjoyed a good Sun-sat

period.

> > > >Vargottam moon in D-4, and exalted Jup aspecting from 6H so indicate a

happiness for the child wherever he/she is.

> > > >Did it happen in Moons MD?

> > > >

> > > >Regards

> > > >Neelam

> > > >

> > > >On 7 February 2010 16:22, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >>Res Renu Ji

> > > >>What are the factors under native gone to adoption

> > > >>06-03-1997

> > > >>00:26:00 IST

> > > >>Delhi

> > > >>He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

> > > >>

> > > >>Thank & Regards

> > > >>suresh awasthi

> > > >>

> > > >>-

> > > >

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February 8, 2010

Dev Ji,In birth chart, if we are taking scorpio lagna Moon and Jupiter are placed in third house. According to one principle, dasha connected to third house/third lord,elevnth house/lord, Mars or Jupiter can give coborns. In birth chart Moon the dasha lord with Jupiter is placed in third house. In D-3 Chart, according to the birth time given second dreshkon is rising. Moon is placed in eleventh house aspected by Jupiter the lagna lord of dreshkon chart. So my question was does this child have coborns?If birth time is changed and first dreshkon is taken, then Moon will come to third house as scorpio lagna will rise in D-3. It will be aspected by third lord Saturn. This again indicates coborns. I want to confirm this chart thats why i asked this question.Regards,

Soniaaxeplex <axeplex Sent: Mon, 8 February, 2010 7:57:51 PM Re: Factors for Adoption

Soniaji,

What does mere aspect of Ju suggests? Anyway, you can recall the marana karaka concept here.

regds

Dev

ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dev Ji,

>

> Even if its a relative to relative change childs residence is changing. In D-4 my aim is mainly to see does dasha indicate this changes residence/environme nt. The only reason i asked him for more details is because chart is presenting a very different story from what Suresh Ji is has mentioned.

> Moon is placed in third house of birth chart with Jupiter. In D-3 also Moon is placed in eleventh house and is aspected by Jupiter the lagna lord of D-3. If we take first dreshkona then Moon comes to third house. Does it mean he has more coborns?

> Unless we are sure about birth time in this case, there is no point applying the parameters of adoption.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sonia

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> axeplex <axeplex >

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Mon, 8 February, 2010 11:46:26 AM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption

>

> Soniaji,

>

> // Sun is seventh lord in seventh house, the house of travel, aspected by twelfth lord Saturn. //

>

> This does not show change of that order which is mentioned by Sureshji. To me, this may be case of relative to relative adoption where son would be very well in touch with at least mother and might be getting support from original family as well.

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dev Ji,

> >

> > Thanks for correction, i was trying to see the chart from Tula lagna also. Yes its 8th and 12th lord of birth chart. In D-4, Kumbha lagna is rising. Sun is seventh lord in seventh house, the house of travel, aspected by twelfth lord Saturn.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sonia

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > axeplex <axeplex@ >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Mon, 8 February, 2010 11:18:33 AM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption

> >

> > Soniaji,

> >

> > Sun is with 8th and 12th lord and not 9th and 12th. How shift of residence is convincing in D-4 in sun Dasa. Can u please explain?

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Suresh Ji,

> > >

> > > Kindly give some more details about this child. Born in Suns dasha, with ninth and twelfth lords of birth chart, shift of residence is convincing. In D-4 also Suns role in shift of residence is understood, but followed by MD of Moon, forming a Gaja kesari yoga as well as dhana yoga in birth chart. Trinal lord of D-12 aspected by exalted Jupiter, how can this child go to a poor family?

> > > Is this child creative by nature? Dasha of Moon with fifth lord Jupiter, how is his education? Is he intersted in Science subjects?

> > > Is this child active in sports?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sonia

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ ...>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Sun, 7 February, 2010 10:15:57 PM

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption

> > >

> > > Respected Neelam Ji,

> > > Mother & Father is alive, and boy taken her mother milk only for three days, as she was

> > > for three days in hospital.

> > > Thanks & Regards

> > > suresh awasthi

> > > ............ ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .......

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 2/7/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Factors for Adoption

> > > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > >Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:23 PM

> > > >

> > > >Dear Awasthi ji,

> > > >

> > > >Thank you for the interesting case.

> > > >

> > > >Could you please tell us:

> > > >If the family met with an accident/ or the child lost his parents?

> > > >The adoption was not immediately after birth though the focus of dasha planets is on 4H at birth.

> > > >Sat-Sun in navamsha, both exalted means child enjoyed a good Sun-sat period.

> > > >Vargottam moon in D-4, and exalted Jup aspecting from 6H so indicate a happiness for the child wherever he/she is.

> > > >Did it happen in Moons MD?

> > > >

> > > >Regards

> > > >Neelam

> > > >

> > > >On 7 February 2010 16:22, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >>Res Renu Ji

> > > >>What are the factors under native gone to adoption

> > > >>06-03-1997

> > > >>00:26:00 IST

> > > >>Delhi

> > > >>He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

> > > >>

> > > >>Thank & Regards

> > > >>suresh awasthi

> > > >>

> > > >>-

> > > >

> > >

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February 8, 2010

Sonia ji,

Have alread written in my previous posting that Ju is weakened by Maran Karaka.

regds

Dev

, Sonia Mehdiratta

<sonia_mehdiratta wrote:

>

> Dev Ji,

>

> In birth chart, if we are taking scorpio lagna Moon and Jupiter are placed in

third house.

> According to one principle, dasha connected to third house/third lord,elevnth

house/lord, Mars or Jupiter can give coborns. In birth chart Moon the dasha lord

with Jupiter is placed in third house. In D-3 Chart, according to the birth time

given second dreshkon is rising. Moon is placed in eleventh house aspected by

Jupiter the lagna lord of dreshkon chart. So my question was does this child

have coborns?

> If birth time is changed and first dreshkon is taken, then Moon will come to

third house as scorpio lagna will rise in D-3. It will be aspected by third lord

Saturn. This again indicates coborns. I want to confirm this chart thats why i

asked this question.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sonia

>

> ________________________________

> axeplex <axeplex

>

> Mon, 8 February, 2010 7:57:51 PM

> Re: Factors for Adoption

>

> Soniaji,

>

> What does mere aspect of Ju suggests? Anyway, you can recall the marana karaka

concept here.

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta

<sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dev Ji,

> >

> > Even if its a relative to relative change childs residence is changing. In

D-4 my aim is mainly to see does dasha indicate this changes residence/environme

nt. The only reason i asked him for more details is because chart is presenting

a very different story from what Suresh Ji is has mentioned.

> > Moon is placed in third house of birth chart with Jupiter. In D-3 also Moon

is placed in eleventh house and is aspected by Jupiter the lagna lord of D-3. If

we take first dreshkona then Moon comes to third house. Does it mean he has more

coborns?

> > Unless we are sure about birth time in this case, there is no point applying

the parameters of adoption.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sonia

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > axeplex <axeplex@ >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Mon, 8 February, 2010 11:46:26 AM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption

> >

> > Soniaji,

> >

> > // Sun is seventh lord in seventh house, the house of travel, aspected by

twelfth lord Saturn. //

> >

> > This does not show change of that order which is mentioned by Sureshji. To

me, this may be case of relative to relative adoption where son would be very

well in touch with at least mother and might be getting support from original

family as well.

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta

<sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dev Ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for correction, i was trying to see the chart from Tula lagna also.

Yes its 8th and 12th lord of birth chart. In D-4, Kumbha lagna is rising. Sun is

seventh lord in seventh house, the house of travel, aspected by twelfth lord

Saturn.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sonia

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > axeplex <axeplex@ >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Mon, 8 February, 2010 11:18:33 AM

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption

> > >

> > > Soniaji,

> > >

> > > Sun is with 8th and 12th lord and not 9th and 12th. How shift of residence

is convincing in D-4 in sun Dasa. Can u please explain?

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta

<sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Suresh Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Kindly give some more details about this child. Born in Suns dasha, with

ninth and twelfth lords of birth chart, shift of residence is convincing. In D-4

also Suns role in shift of residence is understood, but followed by MD of Moon,

forming a Gaja kesari yoga as well as dhana yoga in birth chart. Trinal lord of

D-12 aspected by exalted Jupiter, how can this child go to a poor family?

> > > > Is this child creative by nature? Dasha of Moon with fifth lord Jupiter,

how is his education? Is he intersted in Science subjects?

> > > > Is this child active in sports?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sonia

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ ...>

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Sun, 7 February, 2010 10:15:57 PM

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption

> > > >

> > > > Respected Neelam Ji,

> > > > Mother & Father is alive, and boy taken her mother milk only for three

days, as she was

> > > > for three days in hospital.

> > > > Thanks & Regards

> > > > suresh awasthi

> > > > ............ ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .........

.......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .......

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 2/7/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> > > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Factors for Adoption

> > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > >Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:23 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >Dear Awasthi ji,

> > > > >

> > > > >Thank you for the interesting case.

> > > > >

> > > > >Could you please tell us:

> > > > >If the family met with an accident/ or the child lost his parents?

> > > > >The adoption was not immediately after birth though the focus of dasha

planets is on 4H at birth.

> > > > >Sat-Sun in navamsha, both exalted means child enjoyed a good Sun-sat

period.

> > > > >Vargottam moon in D-4, and exalted Jup aspecting from 6H so indicate a

happiness for the child wherever he/she is.

> > > > >Did it happen in Moons MD?

> > > > >

> > > > >Regards

> > > > >Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > >On 7 February 2010 16:22, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >>Res Renu Ji

> > > > >>What are the factors under native gone to adoption

> > > > >>06-03-1997

> > > > >>00:26:00 IST

> > > > >>Delhi

> > > > >>He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

> > > > >>

> > > > >>Thank & Regards

> > > > >>suresh awasthi

> > > > >>

> > > > >>-

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!

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> > > >

> > >

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> > >

> >

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February 8, 2010

Kindly elaborate this statement. thanksaxeplex <axeplex Sent: Mon, 8 February, 2010 8:13:27 PM Re: Factors for Adoption

Sonia ji,

Have alread written in my previous posting that Ju is weakened by Maran Karaka.

regds

Dev

ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dev Ji,

>

> In birth chart, if we are taking scorpio lagna Moon and Jupiter are placed in third house.

> According to one principle, dasha connected to third house/third lord,elevnth house/lord, Mars or Jupiter can give coborns. In birth chart Moon the dasha lord with Jupiter is placed in third house. In D-3 Chart, according to the birth time given second dreshkon is rising. Moon is placed in eleventh house aspected by Jupiter the lagna lord of dreshkon chart. So my question was does this child have coborns?

> If birth time is changed and first dreshkon is taken, then Moon will come to third house as scorpio lagna will rise in D-3. It will be aspected by third lord Saturn. This again indicates coborns. I want to confirm this chart thats why i asked this question.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sonia

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> axeplex <axeplex >

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Mon, 8 February, 2010 7:57:51 PM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption

>

> Soniaji,

>

> What does mere aspect of Ju suggests? Anyway, you can recall the marana karaka concept here.

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dev Ji,

> >

> > Even if its a relative to relative change childs residence is changing. In D-4 my aim is mainly to see does dasha indicate this changes residence/environme nt. The only reason i asked him for more details is because chart is presenting a very different story from what Suresh Ji is has mentioned.

> > Moon is placed in third house of birth chart with Jupiter. In D-3 also Moon is placed in eleventh house and is aspected by Jupiter the lagna lord of D-3. If we take first dreshkona then Moon comes to third house. Does it mean he has more coborns?

> > Unless we are sure about birth time in this case, there is no point applying the parameters of adoption.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sonia

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > axeplex <axeplex@ >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Mon, 8 February, 2010 11:46:26 AM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption

> >

> > Soniaji,

> >

> > // Sun is seventh lord in seventh house, the house of travel, aspected by twelfth lord Saturn. //

> >

> > This does not show change of that order which is mentioned by Sureshji. To me, this may be case of relative to relative adoption where son would be very well in touch with at least mother and might be getting support from original family as well.

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dev Ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for correction, i was trying to see the chart from Tula lagna also. Yes its 8th and 12th lord of birth chart. In D-4, Kumbha lagna is rising. Sun is seventh lord in seventh house, the house of travel, aspected by twelfth lord Saturn.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sonia

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > axeplex <axeplex@ >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Mon, 8 February, 2010 11:18:33 AM

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption

> > >

> > > Soniaji,

> > >

> > > Sun is with 8th and 12th lord and not 9th and 12th. How shift of residence is convincing in D-4 in sun Dasa. Can u please explain?

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Suresh Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Kindly give some more details about this child. Born in Suns dasha, with ninth and twelfth lords of birth chart, shift of residence is convincing. In D-4 also Suns role in shift of residence is understood, but followed by MD of Moon, forming a Gaja kesari yoga as well as dhana yoga in birth chart. Trinal lord of D-12 aspected by exalted Jupiter, how can this child go to a poor family?

> > > > Is this child creative by nature? Dasha of Moon with fifth lord Jupiter, how is his education? Is he intersted in Science subjects?

> > > > Is this child active in sports?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sonia

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ ...>

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Sun, 7 February, 2010 10:15:57 PM

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Factors for Adoption

> > > >

> > > > Respected Neelam Ji,

> > > > Mother & Father is alive, and boy taken her mother milk only for three days, as she was

> > > > for three days in hospital.

> > > > Thanks & Regards

> > > > suresh awasthi

> > > > ............ ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... ......... .......

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 2/7/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> > > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Factors for Adoption

> > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > >Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:23 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >Dear Awasthi ji,

> > > > >

> > > > >Thank you for the interesting case.

> > > > >

> > > > >Could you please tell us:

> > > > >If the family met with an accident/ or the child lost his parents?

> > > > >The adoption was not immediately after birth though the focus of dasha planets is on 4H at birth.

> > > > >Sat-Sun in navamsha, both exalted means child enjoyed a good Sun-sat period.

> > > > >Vargottam moon in D-4, and exalted Jup aspecting from 6H so indicate a happiness for the child wherever he/she is.

> > > > >Did it happen in Moons MD?

> > > > >

> > > > >Regards

> > > > >Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > >On 7 February 2010 16:22, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >>Res Renu Ji

> > > > >>What are the factors under native gone to adoption

> > > > >>06-03-1997

> > > > >>00:26:00 IST

> > > > >>Delhi

> > > > >>He is from vary rich family and gone to poor family in adoption.

> > > > >>

> > > > >>Thank & Regards

> > > > >>suresh awasthi

> > > > >>

> > > > >>-

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

> > > >

> > >

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> > >

> >

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> >

>

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>

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