Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Dear Dev ji, One cannot have a child without going through a marriage, Suhaag raat, and the pains of labour. Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without becoing adept in Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can one become a Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. Father cannot come after the children is born. Its always the Father who comes first in the world. I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, would like to learn how to predcit - a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but is actually impossible. There is no difference of approach actually, instead its the confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach the Natal Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the 5th house, he will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one observes in the 10th house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the Dasamsa. This is how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in isolation. The children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to bring in a daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet the prospective girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is (Natal Chart), and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl (Combine what you notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D Chart). regards, Bhaskar. , "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Bhaskarji,> > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add on to what you have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept in D-charts, working on natal chart is not that difficult since there is difference of approach and consideration of different factors only .> > regds> Dev> > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Devji,> > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find any shloka> > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already exchanged more than a 200> > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was supporting Aspects in> > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all references on aspects> > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in support, rather not in> > support of same. Like to change sides and switch over to the other side> > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable.> > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You will not find it> > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will not say where.> > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in matching already known> > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn forecasting, which> > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are to help students> > and not make it easy for them to connect what has happened already. One> > should be very much adept in predicting from the Natal Chart before> > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact one should be able> > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or with no birth details.> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > , "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Bhaskarji,> > >> > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP sub with D-charts.> > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was saying, aim of both is to> > further divide the small group to reach the individual.> > >> > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know where and if it is> > written somewhere.> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > >> > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have I mentioned that D> > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the Traditional Astrology> > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am fully aware where I> > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally do not leave any> > loose> > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or point any fingers on> > me.> > > > .> > > >> > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka -couplet talking> > about> > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put up this question> > before> > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, which I know fully> > > > well, are there.> > > >> > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, unnecessarily without> > any> > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot Cards then or Jamini, or> > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will all become a mess.> > > >> > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as people following KP use> > the> > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the Traditional Astrologer> > uses> > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. Who says this is> > wrong ?> > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about this. I know the> > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a wrong comparison.> > You> > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D Charts and not the> > subs.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "axeplex"> > <axeplex@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > >> > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though there is nowhere> > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in some concepts. To me,> > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or sub/ sub-sub as per> > KP,> > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the crowd. Sometimes,> > it is> > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in computer, one uses> > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results are same.> > > > >> > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole population by 12, do not> > get> > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd to small groups and> > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ sub-sub help to break the> > > > small groups further.> > > > >> > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches with problem on the> > basis> > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are important.> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books of Shri BV Raman,> > Shri KN> > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life events to aspects in> > > > Varga> > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of aspects being allowed> > in> > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any Shastra says so, then> > > > please> > > > > > quote the relevant shloka.> > > > > >> > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, has explicitly> > mentioned> > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be considered as actual> > positions> > > > of> > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence (Not the exact words,> > just> > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning).> > > > > >> > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, because I feel that> > > > that> > > > > > there are not many who can read the Divisional charts, forget> > about> > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts.> > > > > >> > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > >> > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart upisde down, as long> > as> > > > one> > > > > > is able to give correct predictions.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards and best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Dear Gopi ji, What is in store for SF in the near future? Do you think he will be sentenced to death? What about double transit [sa, Ju], especially when it is Saturn return, consequences? It affects his 9H of fortune? Is it going to affect him adversely? blessings, Renu , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > Dear Renu ji, > that is how it is which is called LEELA(of creator)..... > Regards, > gopi. > , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > Congratulations on your prediction, [though I wish it was > otherwise...ah. not your fault dear].....Gen Sarath Fonseka was arrested > about 20 minutes ago. > > > > A few months ago he was a national war hero, and today a condemned > man! This is the destiny of man!!! > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > further to my analysis of the general's chart i have seen it in > todays > > > papers that he is likely to be > > > > > > court-martialed!!Born in the Dasas of mer-ven-jup(6,8,12 lords) it > is > > > not surprising.Maraka exal in > > > > > > 4th!!In Bhava/chalit 10L moon went into 7H of maraka from 6H of > battle > > > field.Mer 12L joins mars > > > > > > in4thH of comfirt zone already with an exalted maraka aspg moon in > 7th!! > > > which is disturbing scenario.Mars-mer-mars is operating till > 18th/feb. > > > TRANSITS... > > > MARS®deb in 10th,Sat®yk in 12th from lagna and 7th from nat mo > while > > > jup is with natal jup and in 12th from moon and 5th H from lagna > with > > > ven1,8 he is ready for another battle...... > > > Regards, > > > gopi. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Yes Renu Ji. He does.Best wishes.Soniarenunw <renunw Sent: Mon, 8 February, 2010 10:25:02 PM Re: SRILANKA Thanks Sonia ji. I think Sri KN Rao ji considers aspects in divisional charts...isn' t it so? blessings, Renu ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Renu Ji and Gopalkrishna Ji, > > Sorry to have interfered in your discussion. I just wanted to share my experience in this matter, that aspects can be taken in divisional chart. Yes its true some Astrologers do not take aspects they rather go by dispositor of those planets in birth chart. > > Regards, > > Sonia > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > gopalakrishna <gopi_b927@. ..> > ancient_indian_ astrology > Mon, 8 February, 2010 6:57:43 PM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > Dear Renu ji, > // Are aspects valid in divisional charts? // > it is debatable.But i go by my experience.I am not an expert.It is to be answered by experts.But i take asps when they are needed.I am all inclusive.I have seen navamsa asps work in majority of charts. > Warm Regards, > gopi. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" <renunw@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gopi ji. > > > > //Somehow you are looking at positives and i hope i am not looking at negatives.We should be objective i believe// > > > > You are correct..we should face the reality. It's not that you are looking at negatives... your words are a result of his horoscope. It is good that I see another side. Then only I can see where I am wrong and look at the chart more objectively. It's not easy to fight with one's destiny. > > > > Coming to astrology, yes, I noticed Ve though exalted is in 6H. I know it is not good to be biased when analysing charts:) > > > >Are aspects valid in divisional charts? > > > > Thanks Gopi ji...I am learning from all these. > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Renuji, > > > may be the rulers are afraid of his presence logically but this is > > > astrologic.Somehow you are looking at positives and i hope i am not > > > looking at negatives.We should be objective i believe.Even in D4 his > > > mars is a maraka in his own gets activated in mars mahadasa.Is it > > > not?Though L/L ven is exalted he is in6th in RK axis in mutual asp with > > > mo in 12th!Ven is better as 8L in 6th in RK axis(VRY)with the above > > > combination for him to leave the country(if allowed)which is > > > doubtful.Mars is the weakest in shadbala may work out to his advantage > > > to some extent atleast than venus.Anyway right now it looks bad for > > > him.....2nd lord of thought mars aspg 10H of power is his problem while > > > the dispositor is in 12th in mutual asp with 10L in RKaxis!!! > > > Regards, > > > gopi. > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" <renunw@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > You are right....... but I really don't know what crime he committed to > > > get court martialed. The rulers fear his presence.. > > > > > > > > Thanks for looking into this chart again. Initially I thought that > > > when is 12H is being activated that he would leave the country and > > > settle down with his daughters in the US. But the government is not > > > allowing him to go. > > > > > > > > Birth dasa is no easy one and his life has been not a bed of roses for > > > sure, in the battle field, victim of a suicide bomber etc. > > > > > > > > Just a thought, if movement of one's abode could be looked into by > > > Chaturthamsa, dasa lords are well placed in that. Libra lagna rising, > > > Mars is in the 7th in own house. Me is in the 9th in the own house. LL > > > Venus is exalted. > > > > > > > > But as you have shown transits are not favourable to him...let's see > > > what's going to happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna" > > > gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > further to my analysis of the general's chart i have seen it in > > > todays > > > > > papers that he is likely to be > > > > > > > > > > court-martialed! !Born in the Dasas of mer-ven-jup( 6,8,12 lords) it > > > is > > > > > not surprising.Maraka exal in > > > > > > > > > > 4th!!In Bhava/chalit 10L moon went into 7H of maraka from 6H of > > > battle > > > > > field.Mer 12L joins mars > > > > > > > > > > in4thH of comfirt zone already with an exalted maraka aspg moon in > > > 7th!! > > > > > which is disturbing scenario.Mars- mer-mars is operating till > > > 18th/feb. > > > > > TRANSITS... > > > > > MARS®deb in 10th,Sat®yk in 12th from lagna and 7th from nat mo > > > while > > > > > jup is with natal jup and in 12th from moon and 5th H from lagna > > > with > > > > > ven1,8 he is ready for another battle...... > > > > > Regards, > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Dear Renu ji,that's what is LEELA(GOD'S PLAY)which human beings can not comprehend with their little/closed minds.What is good and what is bad is judged by our own minds,which may not be true.Our minds have started even judging GOD!!!.....Regards,gopi. , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Gopi ji,> > What LEELA? What I have noticed is those who indulge in wrong live luxurious lives and those who lead good lives are burdened with worries.> > blessings,> > Renu> > , "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > that is how it is which is called LEELA(of creator).....> > Regards,> > gopi.> > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Gopi ji,> > >> > > Congratulations on your prediction, [though I wish it was> > otherwise...ah. not your fault dear].....Gen Sarath Fonseka was arrested> > about 20 minutes ago.> > >> > > A few months ago he was a national war hero, and today a condemned> > man! This is the destiny of man!!!> > >> > > blessings,> > >> > > Renu> > >> > > , "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > further to my analysis of the general's chart i have seen it in> > todays> > > > papers that he is likely to be> > > >> > > > court-martialed!!Born in the Dasas of mer-ven-jup(6,8,12 lords) it> > is> > > > not surprising.Maraka exal in> > > >> > > > 4th!!In Bhava/chalit 10L moon went into 7H of maraka from 6H of> > battle> > > > field.Mer 12L joins mars> > > >> > > > in4thH of comfirt zone already with an exalted maraka aspg moon in> > 7th!!> > > > which is disturbing scenario.Mars-mer-mars is operating till> > 18th/feb.> > > > TRANSITS...> > > > MARS®deb in 10th,Sat®yk in 12th from lagna and 7th from nat mo> > while> > > > jup is with natal jup and in 12th from moon and 5th H from lagna> > with> > > > ven1,8 he is ready for another battle......> > > > Regards,> > > > gopi.> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Dear Renu ji,the show(leela) must go on..Let's wait and watch in an objective way.....LeavING it to GOD.According to me it is HIS problem.Pl dont make it your problem.Sorry no teaching,just responding....Regards,gopi. , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Gopi ji,> > What is in store for SF in the near future? Do you think he will be sentenced to death? > > What about double transit [sa, Ju], especially when it is Saturn return, consequences? It affects his 9H of fortune? Is it going to affect him adversely?> > blessings,> > Renu> > , "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > that is how it is which is called LEELA(of creator).....> > Regards,> > gopi.> > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Gopi ji,> > >> > > Congratulations on your prediction, [though I wish it was> > otherwise...ah. not your fault dear].....Gen Sarath Fonseka was arrested> > about 20 minutes ago.> > >> > > A few months ago he was a national war hero, and today a condemned> > man! This is the destiny of man!!!> > >> > > blessings,> > >> > > Renu> > >> > > , "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > further to my analysis of the general's chart i have seen it in> > todays> > > > papers that he is likely to be> > > >> > > > court-martialed!!Born in the Dasas of mer-ven-jup(6,8,12 lords) it> > is> > > > not surprising.Maraka exal in> > > >> > > > 4th!!In Bhava/chalit 10L moon went into 7H of maraka from 6H of> > battle> > > > field.Mer 12L joins mars> > > >> > > > in4thH of comfirt zone already with an exalted maraka aspg moon in> > 7th!!> > > > which is disturbing scenario.Mars-mer-mars is operating till> > 18th/feb.> > > > TRANSITS...> > > > MARS®deb in 10th,Sat®yk in 12th from lagna and 7th from nat mo> > while> > > > jup is with natal jup and in 12th from moon and 5th H from lagna> > with> > > > ven1,8 he is ready for another battle......> > > > Regards,> > > > gopi.> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Leela happening very quickly in Kalyuga. Fast results to Karma's. Looks like the creator is also into instant coffee, fast foods.Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 8/2/10, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Re: SRILANKA Date: Monday, 8 February, 2010, 10:52 PM Dear Renu ji,that is how it is which is called LEELA(of creator).... .Regards,gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Gopi ji,> > Congratulations on your prediction, [though I wish it was otherwise... ah. not your fault dear].....Gen Sarath Fonseka was arrested about 20 minutes ago.> > A few months ago he was a national war hero, and today a condemned man! This is the destiny of man!!!> > blessings,> > Renu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > further to my analysis of the general's chart i have seen it in todays> > papers that he is likely to be> > > > court-martialed! !Born in the Dasas of mer-ven-jup( 6,8,12 lords) it is> > not surprising.Maraka exal in> > > > 4th!!In Bhava/chalit 10L moon went into 7H of maraka from 6H of battle> > field.Mer 12L joins mars> > > > in4thH of comfirt zone already with an exalted maraka aspg moon in 7th!!> > which is disturbing scenario.Mars- mer-mars is operating till 18th/feb.> > TRANSITS...> > MARS®deb in 10th,Sat®yk in 12th from lagna and 7th from nat mo while> > jup is with natal jup and in 12th from moon and 5th H from lagna with> > ven1,8 he is ready for another battle......> > Regards,> > gopi.> >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Bhaskarji, I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in isolation. I said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic fundas are same. I am aware that many people in the group are more concerned with natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone has own style. But most of the people are also logical here. And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if we consider next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it does not stand well and is illogical. Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had a big discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept is used in Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather than thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in Shastras but is accepted since it works. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Dev ji, > > One cannot have a child without going through a marriage, Suhaag raat, > and the pains of labour. > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without becoing adept in > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can one become a > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its always the Father who > comes first in the world. > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, would like to > learn how to predcit - > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but is actually > impossible. > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its the > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach the Natal > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the 5th house, he > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one observes in the 10th > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the Dasamsa. This is > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in isolation. The > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to bring in a > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet the prospective > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is (Natal Chart), > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl (Combine what you > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D Chart). > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add on to what you > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept in D-charts, > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there is difference > of approach and consideration of different factors only . > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find any shloka > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already exchanged more than a > 200 > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was supporting > Aspects in > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all references on > aspects > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in support, rather not > in > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch over to the other > side > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You will not find it > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will not say where. > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in matching already > known > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn forecasting, > which > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are to help > students > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has happened already. > One > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the Natal Chart before > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact one should be > able > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or with no birth > details. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP sub with > D-charts. > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was saying, aim of both is > to > > > further divide the small group to reach the individual. > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know where and if it > is > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have I mentioned that > D > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the Traditional > Astrology > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am fully aware > where I > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally do not leave > any > > > loose > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or point any > fingers on > > > me. > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka -couplet talking > > > about > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put up this question > > > before > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, which I know > fully > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, unnecessarily > without > > > any > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot Cards then or > Jamini, or > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will all become a > mess. > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as people following KP > use > > > the > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the Traditional > Astrologer > > > uses > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. Who says this is > > > wrong ? > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about this. I know the > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a wrong > comparison. > > > You > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D Charts and not the > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though there is > nowhere > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in some concepts. To > me, > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or sub/ sub-sub as > per > > > KP, > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the crowd. > Sometimes, > > > it is > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in computer, one > uses > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results are same. > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole population by 12, do > not > > > get > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd to small groups > and > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ sub-sub help to break > the > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches with problem on > the > > > basis > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are important. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books of Shri BV Raman, > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life events to aspects > in > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of aspects being > allowed > > > in > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any Shastra says so, > then > > > > > please > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, has explicitly > > > mentioned > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be considered as actual > > > positions > > > > > of > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence (Not the exact > words, > > > just > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, because I feel > that > > > > > that > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the Divisional charts, > forget > > > about > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart upisde down, as > long > > > as > > > > > one > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Thanks Sonia ji. blessings, Renu , Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta wrote: > > Yes Renu Ji. He does. > > Best wishes. > > Sonia > > > > > ________________________________ > renunw <renunw > > Mon, 8 February, 2010 10:25:02 PM > Re: SRILANKA > > > > Thanks Sonia ji. I think Sri KN Rao ji considers aspects in divisional charts...isn' t it so? > > blessings, > > Renu > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Renu Ji and Gopalkrishna Ji, > > > > Sorry to have interfered in your discussion. I just wanted to share my experience in this matter, that aspects can be taken in divisional chart. Yes its true some Astrologers do not take aspects they rather go by dispositor of those planets in birth chart. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > gopalakrishna <gopi_b927@ ..> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Mon, 8 February, 2010 6:57:43 PM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > // Are aspects valid in divisional charts? // > > it is debatable.But i go by my experience.I am not an expert.It is to be answered by experts.But i take asps when they are needed.I am all inclusive.I have seen navamsa asps work in majority of charts. > > Warm Regards, > > gopi. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji. > > > > > > //Somehow you are looking at positives and i hope i am not looking at negatives.We should be objective i believe// > > > > > > You are correct..we should face the reality. It's not that you are looking at negatives... your words are a result of his horoscope. It is good that I see another side. Then only I can see where I am wrong and look at the chart more objectively. It's not easy to fight with one's destiny. > > > > > > Coming to astrology, yes, I noticed Ve though exalted is in 6H. I know it is not good to be biased when analysing charts:) > > > > > >Are aspects valid in divisional charts? > > > > > > Thanks Gopi ji...I am learning from all these. > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Renuji, > > > > may be the rulers are afraid of his presence logically but this is > > > > astrologic.Somehow you are looking at positives and i hope i am not > > > > looking at negatives.We should be objective i believe.Even in D4 his > > > > mars is a maraka in his own gets activated in mars mahadasa.Is it > > > > not?Though L/L ven is exalted he is in6th in RK axis in mutual asp with > > > > mo in 12th!Ven is better as 8L in 6th in RK axis(VRY)with the above > > > > combination for him to leave the country(if allowed)which is > > > > doubtful.Mars is the weakest in shadbala may work out to his advantage > > > > to some extent atleast than venus.Anyway right now it looks bad for > > > > him.....2nd lord of thought mars aspg 10H of power is his problem while > > > > the dispositor is in 12th in mutual asp with 10L in RKaxis!!! > > > > Regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " <renunw@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > You are right....... but I really don't know what crime he committed to > > > > get court martialed. The rulers fear his presence.. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for looking into this chart again. Initially I thought that > > > > when is 12H is being activated that he would leave the country and > > > > settle down with his daughters in the US. But the government is not > > > > allowing him to go. > > > > > > > > > > Birth dasa is no easy one and his life has been not a bed of roses for > > > > sure, in the battle field, victim of a suicide bomber etc. > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought, if movement of one's abode could be looked into by > > > > Chaturthamsa, dasa lords are well placed in that. Libra lagna rising, > > > > Mars is in the 7th in own house. Me is in the 9th in the own house. LL > > > > Venus is exalted. > > > > > > > > > > But as you have shown transits are not favourable to him...let's see > > > > what's going to happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > further to my analysis of the general's chart i have seen it in > > > > todays > > > > > > papers that he is likely to be > > > > > > > > > > > > court-martialed! !Born in the Dasas of mer-ven-jup( 6,8,12 lords) it > > > > is > > > > > > not surprising.Maraka exal in > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th!!In Bhava/chalit 10L moon went into 7H of maraka from 6H of > > > > battle > > > > > > field.Mer 12L joins mars > > > > > > > > > > > > in4thH of comfirt zone already with an exalted maraka aspg moon in > > > > 7th!! > > > > > > which is disturbing scenario.Mars- mer-mars is operating till > > > > 18th/feb. > > > > > > TRANSITS... > > > > > > MARS®deb in 10th,Sat®yk in 12th from lagna and 7th from nat mo > > > > while > > > > > > jup is with natal jup and in 12th from moon and 5th H from lagna > > > > with > > > > > > ven1,8 he is ready for another battle...... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Dear Gopi ji, Thanks so much for your contribution to this issue. If my mind is evolved to very high levels, sure I can let this be HIS problem and wait...but I am humane...and a mother! Yet, appreciate your good advice...I know you mean well:) blessings, Renu , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > Dear Renu ji, > the show(leela) must go on..Let's wait and watch in an objective > way.....LeavING it to GOD.According to me it is HIS problem.Pl dont make > it your problem.Sorry no teaching,just responding.... > Regards, > gopi. > , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > What is in store for SF in the near future? Do you think he will be > sentenced to death? > > > > What about double transit [sa, Ju], especially when it is Saturn > return, consequences? It affects his 9H of fortune? Is it going to > affect him adversely? > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > that is how it is which is called LEELA(of creator)..... > > > Regards, > > > gopi. > > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > Congratulations on your prediction, [though I wish it was > > > otherwise...ah. not your fault dear].....Gen Sarath Fonseka was > arrested > > > about 20 minutes ago. > > > > > > > > A few months ago he was a national war hero, and today a condemned > > > man! This is the destiny of man!!! > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > further to my analysis of the general's chart i have seen it in > > > todays > > > > > papers that he is likely to be > > > > > > > > > > court-martialed!!Born in the Dasas of mer-ven-jup(6,8,12 lords) > it > > > is > > > > > not surprising.Maraka exal in > > > > > > > > > > 4th!!In Bhava/chalit 10L moon went into 7H of maraka from 6H of > > > battle > > > > > field.Mer 12L joins mars > > > > > > > > > > in4thH of comfirt zone already with an exalted maraka aspg moon > in > > > 7th!! > > > > > which is disturbing scenario.Mars-mer-mars is operating till > > > 18th/feb. > > > > > TRANSITS... > > > > > MARS®deb in 10th,Sat®yk in 12th from lagna and 7th from nat > mo > > > while > > > > > jup is with natal jup and in 12th from moon and 5th H from lagna > > > with > > > > > ven1,8 he is ready for another battle...... > > > > > Regards, > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Dear Renu ji,//Yet, appreciate your good advice...I know you mean well//thanks.I already said it is not teaching.Now i say it is not an advice but just a responsive thought.I have already said the general's 2ndL of thought is aspg 10thH power and11H of success aswell is his problem since 2nL is weakest in shadbala and debilitated in transit in 10th.Unfortunately the same mahadasa is operating.He could have remained a war hero if he did not aspire for power.But Mars will not keep generals quiet specially in it's periods!!At the same time president is running Jup MD the 4L of comfirt and 7L of position giver in Lagna asp by Sat5L forming a sort of RY from 11H of success.....Mars is also involved with sat giving 6/8 comb of VRY as well...Regards,gopi. , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Gopi ji,> > Thanks so much for your contribution to this issue. If my mind is evolved to very high levels, sure I can let this be HIS problem and wait...but I am humane...and a mother!> > Yet, appreciate your good advice...I know you mean well:)> > blessings,> > Renu> > > > > > , "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > the show(leela) must go on..Let's wait and watch in an objective> > way.....LeavING it to GOD.According to me it is HIS problem.Pl dont make> > it your problem.Sorry no teaching,just responding....> > Regards,> > gopi.> > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Gopi ji,> > >> > > What is in store for SF in the near future? Do you think he will be> > sentenced to death?> > >> > > What about double transit [sa, Ju], especially when it is Saturn> > return, consequences? It affects his 9H of fortune? Is it going to> > affect him adversely?> > >> > > blessings,> > >> > > Renu> > >> > > , "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > that is how it is which is called LEELA(of creator).....> > > > Regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > >> > > > > Congratulations on your prediction, [though I wish it was> > > > otherwise...ah. not your fault dear].....Gen Sarath Fonseka was> > arrested> > > > about 20 minutes ago.> > > > >> > > > > A few months ago he was a national war hero, and today a condemned> > > > man! This is the destiny of man!!!> > > > >> > > > > blessings,> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > further to my analysis of the general's chart i have seen it in> > > > todays> > > > > > papers that he is likely to be> > > > > >> > > > > > court-martialed!!Born in the Dasas of mer-ven-jup(6,8,12 lords)> > it> > > > is> > > > > > not surprising.Maraka exal in> > > > > >> > > > > > 4th!!In Bhava/chalit 10L moon went into 7H of maraka from 6H of> > > > battle> > > > > > field.Mer 12L joins mars> > > > > >> > > > > > in4thH of comfirt zone already with an exalted maraka aspg moon> > in> > > > 7th!!> > > > > > which is disturbing scenario.Mars-mer-mars is operating till> > > > 18th/feb.> > > > > > TRANSITS...> > > > > > MARS®deb in 10th,Sat®yk in 12th from lagna and 7th from nat> > mo> > > > while> > > > > > jup is with natal jup and in 12th from moon and 5th H from lagna> > > > with> > > > > > ven1,8 he is ready for another battle......> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > gopi.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Boss, Again we are furthering an argument where there is no oppositions. I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal Chart, theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if one can read the D Chart in affirmations. Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than what is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between shadows(Planets in D Charts) does not make sense. Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will realise is a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level predictions profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to use, due to the intracasy and studies involved in same. //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it does not stand well and is illogical.// This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in order to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or mandatory to check D Charts in order to predict well. //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if we consider next day also. // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to decipher between many births within the same window. What is the Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? Please give us an example where one cannot predict education from the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate the D24 ? thanks and regards, Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Bhaskarji, > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in isolation. I said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic fundas are same. I am aware that many people in the group are more concerned with natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone has own style. > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if we consider next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it does not stand well and is illogical. > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had a big discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept is used in Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather than thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in Shastras but is accepted since it works. > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a marriage, Suhaag raat, > > and the pains of labour. > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without becoing adept in > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can one become a > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its always the Father who > > comes first in the world. > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, would like to > > learn how to predcit - > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but is actually > > impossible. > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its the > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach the Natal > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the 5th house, he > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one observes in the 10th > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the Dasamsa. This is > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in isolation. The > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to bring in a > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet the prospective > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is (Natal Chart), > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl (Combine what you > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D Chart). > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add on to what you > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept in D-charts, > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there is difference > > of approach and consideration of different factors only . > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find any shloka > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already exchanged more than a > > 200 > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was supporting > > Aspects in > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all references on > > aspects > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in support, rather not > > in > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch over to the other > > side > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You will not find it > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will not say where. > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in matching already > > known > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn forecasting, > > which > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are to help > > students > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has happened already. > > One > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the Natal Chart before > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact one should be > > able > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or with no birth > > details. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > <axeplex@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP sub with > > D-charts. > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was saying, aim of both is > > to > > > > further divide the small group to reach the individual. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know where and if it > > is > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have I mentioned that > > D > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the Traditional > > Astrology > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am fully aware > > where I > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally do not leave > > any > > > > loose > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or point any > > fingers on > > > > me. > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka -couplet talking > > > > about > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put up this question > > > > before > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, which I know > > fully > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, unnecessarily > > without > > > > any > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot Cards then or > > Jamini, or > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will all become a > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as people following KP > > use > > > > the > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the Traditional > > Astrologer > > > > uses > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. Who says this is > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about this. I know the > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a wrong > > comparison. > > > > You > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D Charts and not the > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though there is > > nowhere > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in some concepts. To > > me, > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or sub/ sub-sub as > > per > > > > KP, > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the crowd. > > Sometimes, > > > > it is > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in computer, one > > uses > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results are same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole population by 12, do > > not > > > > get > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd to small groups > > and > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ sub-sub help to break > > the > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches with problem on > > the > > > > basis > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books of Shri BV Raman, > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life events to aspects > > in > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of aspects being > > allowed > > > > in > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any Shastra says so, > > then > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, has explicitly > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be considered as actual > > > > positions > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence (Not the exact > > words, > > > > just > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, because I feel > > that > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the Divisional charts, > > forget > > > > about > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart upisde down, as > > long > > > > as > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Bhaskar sir, //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no oppositions.// We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it is anyway unending discussion. //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal Chart, theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if one can read the D Chart in affirmations.// What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You would ignore D-1 or read it as it is. // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than what is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between shadows(Planets in D Charts) does not make sense.// No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my previous mails. // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will realise is a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level predictions profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to use, due to the intracasy and studies involved in same.// No comments. // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in order to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or mandatory to check D Charts in order to predict well.// If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But without bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need D-chart. // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to decipher between many births within the same window. What is the Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at maximum 400 to 800 people. // Please give us an example where one cannot predict education from the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday open to learn. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Boss, > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no oppositions. I > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal Chart, theres > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if one can read > the D Chart in affirmations. > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than what is > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between shadows(Planets in D > Charts) does not make sense. > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will realise is a > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level predictions > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to use, due to > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it does not > stand well and is illogical.// > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in order to > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or mandatory to > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and may be even > more if we consider next day also. // > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to decipher > between many births within the same window. What is the Nakshatra system > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education from the > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate the D24 ? > > thanks and regards, > > Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in isolation. I > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic fundas are > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more concerned with > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone has own style. > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it comes to > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, there would > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with the same > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if we consider > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had a big > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept is used in > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather than > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in Shastras but > is accepted since it works. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a marriage, Suhaag > raat, > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without becoing adept > in > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can one become a > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its always the Father > who > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, would like > to > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but is actually > > > impossible. > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its the > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach the Natal > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the 5th house, he > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one observes in the > 10th > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the Dasamsa. This > is > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in isolation. > The > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to bring in a > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet the > prospective > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is (Natal > Chart), > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl (Combine what you > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D Chart). > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add on to what > you > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept in D-charts, > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there is > difference > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only . > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find any shloka > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already exchanged more > than a > > > 200 > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was supporting > > > Aspects in > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all references on > > > aspects > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in support, rather > not > > > in > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch over to the > other > > > side > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You will not find > it > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will not say > where. > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in matching > already > > > known > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn forecasting, > > > which > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are to help > > > students > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has happened > already. > > > One > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the Natal Chart > before > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact one should > be > > > able > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or with no birth > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP sub with > > > D-charts. > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was saying, aim of > both is > > > to > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know where and if > it > > > is > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have I mentioned > that > > > D > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the Traditional > > > Astrology > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am fully aware > > > where I > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally do not > leave > > > any > > > > > loose > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or point any > > > fingers on > > > > > me. > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka -couplet > talking > > > > > about > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put up this > question > > > > > before > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, which I > know > > > fully > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, unnecessarily > > > without > > > > > any > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot Cards then or > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will all become a > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as people following > KP > > > use > > > > > the > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the Traditional > > > Astrologer > > > > > uses > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. Who says this > is > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about this. I know > the > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a wrong > > > comparison. > > > > > You > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D Charts and not > the > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though there is > > > nowhere > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in some > concepts. To > > > me, > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or sub/ > sub-sub as > > > per > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the crowd. > > > Sometimes, > > > > > it is > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in computer, > one > > > uses > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results are same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole population by > 12, do > > > not > > > > > get > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd to small > groups > > > and > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ sub-sub help to > break > > > the > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches with problem > on > > > the > > > > > basis > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books of Shri BV > Raman, > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life events to > aspects > > > in > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of aspects being > > > allowed > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any Shastra says > so, > > > then > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, has > explicitly > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be considered as > actual > > > > > positions > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence (Not the exact > > > words, > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, because I > feel > > > that > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the Divisional charts, > > > forget > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart upisde down, > as > > > long > > > > > as > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Sir, KP is specialisation. Traditional is normal MBBS. D Charts is the Sonography. A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who can tell you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not need sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X Ray can be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not mean that one cannot predict from the D Charts. You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the times i have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the Why.... I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till date. Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also explain why that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a stand alone basis ? Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what you have been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a months time to do this. So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... regards, Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Bhaskar sir, > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no oppositions.// > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it is anyway unending discussion. > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal Chart, theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if one can read the D Chart in affirmations.// > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You would ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than what is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between shadows(Planets in D Charts) does not make sense.// > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my previous mails. > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will realise is a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level predictions > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to use, due to > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > No comments. > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in order to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or mandatory to check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But without bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need D-chart. > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to decipher between many births within the same window. What is the Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at maximum 400 to 800 people. > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict education from the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday open to learn. > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Boss, > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no oppositions. I > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal Chart, theres > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if one can read > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than what is > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between shadows(Planets in D > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will realise is a > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level predictions > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to use, due to > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it does not > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in order to > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or mandatory to > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and may be even > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to decipher > > between many births within the same window. What is the Nakshatra system > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education from the > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate the D24 ? > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in isolation. I > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic fundas are > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more concerned with > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone has own style. > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it comes to > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, there would > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with the same > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if we consider > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had a big > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept is used in > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather than > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in Shastras but > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a marriage, Suhaag > > raat, > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without becoing adept > > in > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can one become a > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its always the Father > > who > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, would like > > to > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but is actually > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its the > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach the Natal > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the 5th house, he > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one observes in the > > 10th > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the Dasamsa. This > > is > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in isolation. > > The > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to bring in a > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet the > > prospective > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is (Natal > > Chart), > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl (Combine what you > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D Chart). > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > <axeplex@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add on to what > > you > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept in D-charts, > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there is > > difference > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only . > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find any shloka > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already exchanged more > > than a > > > > 200 > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was supporting > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all references on > > > > aspects > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in support, rather > > not > > > > in > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch over to the > > other > > > > side > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You will not find > > it > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will not say > > where. > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in matching > > already > > > > known > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn forecasting, > > > > which > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are to help > > > > students > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has happened > > already. > > > > One > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the Natal Chart > > before > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact one should > > be > > > > able > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or with no birth > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP sub with > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was saying, aim of > > both is > > > > to > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know where and if > > it > > > > is > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have I mentioned > > that > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the Traditional > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am fully aware > > > > where I > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally do not > > leave > > > > any > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or point any > > > > fingers on > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka -couplet > > talking > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put up this > > question > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, which I > > know > > > > fully > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, unnecessarily > > > > without > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot Cards then or > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will all become a > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as people following > > KP > > > > use > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the Traditional > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. Who says this > > is > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about this. I know > > the > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a wrong > > > > comparison. > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D Charts and not > > the > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though there is > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in some > > concepts. To > > > > me, > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or sub/ > > sub-sub as > > > > per > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the crowd. > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in computer, > > one > > > > uses > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results are same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole population by > > 12, do > > > > not > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd to small > > groups > > > > and > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ sub-sub help to > > break > > > > the > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches with problem > > on > > > > the > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books of Shri BV > > Raman, > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life events to > > aspects > > > > in > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of aspects being > > > > allowed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any Shastra says > > so, > > > > then > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, has > > explicitly > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be considered as > > actual > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence (Not the exact > > > > words, > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, because I > > feel > > > > that > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the Divisional charts, > > > > forget > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart upisde down, > > as > > > > long > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Bhaskarji, I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in future. I don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated in many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . You can read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the case for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Sir, > > KP is specialisation. > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who can tell > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not need > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X Ray can > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not mean > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the times i > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the Why.... > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till date. > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also explain why > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a stand alone > basis ? > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what you have > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a months > time to do this. > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > regards, > > Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no oppositions.// > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it is anyway > unending discussion. > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal Chart, > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if one > can read the D Chart in affirmations.// > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You would > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than what > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between shadows(Planets in D > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my previous > mails. > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will realise is > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level predictions > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to use, due to > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > No comments. > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in order > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or mandatory to > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But without > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need D-chart. > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at maximum 400 > to 800 people. > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict education from > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday open to > learn. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no oppositions. I > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal Chart, > theres > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if one can > read > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than what is > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between shadows(Planets in > D > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will realise is a > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level predictions > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to use, due > to > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it does > not > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in order to > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or mandatory to > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > take > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > people > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and may be > even > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > decipher > > > between many births within the same window. What is the Nakshatra > system > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education from > the > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate the D24 ? > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > isolation. I > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic fundas are > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more concerned > with > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone has own > style. > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it comes to > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, there > would > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with the same > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if we > consider > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > education, > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had a big > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept is used > in > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather than > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in Shastras > but > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a marriage, Suhaag > > > raat, > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without becoing > adept > > > in > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can one > become a > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its always the > Father > > > who > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, would > like > > > to > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but is > actually > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its the > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach the > Natal > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the 5th > house, he > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one observes in the > > > 10th > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the Dasamsa. > This > > > is > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > isolation. > > > The > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to bring > in a > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet the > > > prospective > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is (Natal > > > Chart), > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl (Combine what > you > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D Chart). > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add on to > what > > > you > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept in > D-charts, > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there is > > > difference > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only . > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find any > shloka > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already exchanged > more > > > than a > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > supporting > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > references on > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in support, > rather > > > not > > > > > in > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch over to the > > > other > > > > > side > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You will not > find > > > it > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will not say > > > where. > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in matching > > > already > > > > > known > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > forecasting, > > > > > which > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are to help > > > > > students > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has happened > > > already. > > > > > One > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the Natal Chart > > > before > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact one > should > > > be > > > > > able > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or with no > birth > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP sub with > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was saying, aim of > > > both is > > > > > to > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know where > and if > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have I > mentioned > > > that > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the Traditional > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am fully > aware > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally do not > > > leave > > > > > any > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or point > any > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka -couplet > > > talking > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put up this > > > question > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, which I > > > know > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > unnecessarily > > > > > without > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot Cards then > or > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will all > become a > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as people > following > > > KP > > > > > use > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the Traditional > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. Who says > this > > > is > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about this. I > know > > > the > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a wrong > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D Charts and > not > > > the > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " axeplex " > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though there > is > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in some > > > concepts. To > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or sub/ > > > sub-sub as > > > > > per > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the crowd. > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > computer, > > > one > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results are same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole population > by > > > 12, do > > > > > not > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd to > small > > > groups > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ sub-sub help > to > > > break > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches with > problem > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books of Shri > BV > > > Raman, > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life events to > > > aspects > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of aspects > being > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any Shastra > says > > > so, > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, has > > > explicitly > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be considered as > > > actual > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence (Not the > exact > > > > > words, > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, because > I > > > feel > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the Divisional > charts, > > > > > forget > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart upisde > down, > > > as > > > > > long > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Dear Gopi ji, //He could have remained a war hero if he did not aspire for power.But Mars will not keep generals quiet specially in it's periods!!// No doubt about it... blessings, Renu , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > Dear Renu ji, > //Yet, appreciate your good advice...I know you mean well// > thanks.I already said it is not teaching.Now i say it is not an advice > but just a responsive thought. > I have already said the general's 2ndL of thought is aspg 10thH power > and11H of success aswell is his problem since 2nL is weakest in shadbala > and debilitated in transit in 10th.Unfortunately the same mahadasa is > operating.He could have remained a war hero if he did not aspire for > power.But Mars will not keep generals quiet specially in it's periods!! > At the same time president is running Jup MD the 4L of comfirt and 7L of > position giver in Lagna asp by Sat5L forming a sort of RY from 11H of > success.....Mars is also involved with sat giving 6/8 comb of VRY as > well... > Regards, > gopi. > , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > Thanks so much for your contribution to this issue. If my mind is > evolved to very high levels, sure I can let this be HIS problem and > wait...but I am humane...and a mother! > > > > Yet, appreciate your good advice...I know you mean well:) > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > the show(leela) must go on..Let's wait and watch in an objective > > > way.....LeavING it to GOD.According to me it is HIS problem.Pl dont > make > > > it your problem.Sorry no teaching,just responding.... > > > Regards, > > > gopi. > > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > What is in store for SF in the near future? Do you think he will > be > > > sentenced to death? > > > > > > > > What about double transit [sa, Ju], especially when it is Saturn > > > return, consequences? It affects his 9H of fortune? Is it going to > > > affect him adversely? > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > that is how it is which is called LEELA(of creator)..... > > > > > Regards, > > > > > gopi. > > > > > , " renunw " > <renunw@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations on your prediction, [though I wish it was > > > > > otherwise...ah. not your fault dear].....Gen Sarath Fonseka was > > > arrested > > > > > about 20 minutes ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > A few months ago he was a national war hero, and today a > condemned > > > > > man! This is the destiny of man!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > > further to my analysis of the general's chart i have seen it > in > > > > > todays > > > > > > > papers that he is likely to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > court-martialed!!Born in the Dasas of mer-ven-jup(6,8,12 > lords) > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > > not surprising.Maraka exal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th!!In Bhava/chalit 10L moon went into 7H of maraka from 6H > of > > > > > battle > > > > > > > field.Mer 12L joins mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in4thH of comfirt zone already with an exalted maraka aspg > moon > > > in > > > > > 7th!! > > > > > > > which is disturbing scenario.Mars-mer-mars is operating till > > > > > 18th/feb. > > > > > > > TRANSITS... > > > > > > > MARS®deb in 10th,Sat®yk in 12th from lagna and 7th from > nat > > > mo > > > > > while > > > > > > > jup is with natal jup and in 12th from moon and 5th H from > lagna > > > > > with > > > > > > > ven1,8 he is ready for another battle...... > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Dear All Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 or chart made as K.P shows nothing .or I not able to identify With Regards suresh awasthi --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex <axeplex wrote: axeplex <axeplex Re: SRILANKA Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM Bhaskarji,I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in future. I don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated in many discussions including the latest "Factors for Adoption". You can read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the case for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > Sir,> > KP is specialisation.> > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > D Charts is the Sonography.> > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who can tell> you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not need> sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X Ray can> be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not mean> that one cannot predict from the D Charts.> > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the times i> have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the Why....> > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till date.> Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also explain why> that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a stand alone> basis ?> > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what you have> been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations.> > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a months> time to do this.> > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here...> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@>> wrote:> >> > Bhaskar sir,> >> > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no oppositions. //> >> > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it is anyway> unending discussion.> >> > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal Chart,> theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if one> can read the D Chart in affirmations. //> >> > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You would> ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> >> > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than what> is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between shadows(Planets in D> Charts) does not make sense.//> >> > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my previous> mails.> >> > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will realise is> a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level predictions> > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to use, due to> > the intracasy and studies involved in same.//> >> > No comments.> >> > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in order> to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or mandatory to> check D Charts in order to predict well.//> >> > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But without> bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need D-chart.> >> > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to> decipher between many births within the same window. What is the> Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? //> >> > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at maximum 400> to 800 people.> >> > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict education from> the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. //> >> > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday open to> learn.> >> > regds> > Dev> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Boss,> > >> > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no oppositions. I> > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal Chart,> theres> > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if one can> read> > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > >> > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than what is> > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between shadows(Planets in> D> > > Charts) does not make sense.> > >> > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will realise is a> > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level predictions> > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to use, due> to> > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.> > >> > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it does> not> > > stand well and is illogical.//> > >> > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in order to> > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or mandatory to> > > check D Charts in order to predict well.> > >> > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us> take> > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000> people> > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and may be> even> > > more if we consider next day also. //> > >> > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to> decipher> > > between many births within the same window. What is the Nakshatra> system> > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ?> > >> > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education from> the> > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart.> > >> > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate the D24 ?> > >> > > thanks and regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> <axeplex@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Bhaskarji,> > > >> > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in> isolation. I> > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic fundas are> > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more concerned> with> > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone has own> style.> > > >> > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it comes to> > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, there> would> > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with the same> > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if we> consider> > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts> education,> > > it does not stand well and is illogical.> > > >> > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had a big> > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept is used> in> > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas.> > > >> > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather than> > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in Shastras> but> > > is accepted since it works.> > > >> > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > >> > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a marriage, Suhaag> > > raat,> > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > >> > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without becoing> adept> > > in> > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can one> become a> > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree.> > > > >> > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its always the> Father> > > who> > > > > comes first in the world.> > > > >> > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, would> like> > > to> > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > >> > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts.> > > > >> > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart.> > > > >> > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but is> actually> > > > > impossible.> > > > >> > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its the> > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach the> Natal> > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the 5th> house, he> > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one observes in the> > > 10th> > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the Dasamsa.> This> > > is> > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in> isolation.> > > The> > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to bring> in a> > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet the> > > prospective> > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is (Natal> > > Chart),> > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl (Combine what> you> > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D Chart).> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > <axeplex@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add on to> what> > > you> > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept in> D-charts,> > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there is> > > difference> > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only .> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find any> shloka> > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already exchanged> more> > > than a> > > > > 200> > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was> supporting> > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all> references on> > > > > aspects> > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in support,> rather> > > not> > > > > in> > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch over to the> > > other> > > > > side> > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You will not> find> > > it> > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will not say> > > where.> > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in matching> > > already> > > > > known> > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn> forecasting,> > > > > which> > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are to help> > > > > students> > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has happened> > > already.> > > > > One> > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the Natal Chart> > > before> > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact one> should> > > be> > > > > able> > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or with no> birth> > > > > details.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP sub with> > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was saying, aim of> > > both is> > > > > to> > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the individual.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know where> and if> > > it> > > > > is> > > > > > > written somewhere.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have I> mentioned> > > that> > > > > D> > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the Traditional> > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am fully> aware> > > > > where I> > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally do not> > > leave> > > > > any> > > > > > > loose> > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or point> any> > > > > fingers on> > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka -couplet> > > talking> > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put up this> > > question> > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, which I> > > know> > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > well, are there.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please,> unnecessarily> > > > > without> > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot Cards then> or> > > > > Jamini, or> > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will all> become a> > > > > mess.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as people> following> > > KP> > > > > use> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the Traditional> > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. Who says> this> > > is> > > > > > > wrong ?> > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about this. I> know> > > the> > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a wrong> > > > > comparison.> > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D Charts and> not> > > the> > > > > > > subs.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "axeplex"> > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though there> is> > > > > nowhere> > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in some> > > concepts. To> > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or sub/> > > sub-sub as> > > > > per> > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the crowd.> > > > > Sometimes,> > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in> computer,> > > one> > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results are same.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole population> by> > > 12, do> > > > > not> > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd to> small> > > groups> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ sub-sub help> to> > > break> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > small groups further.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches with> problem> > > on> > > > > the> > > > > > > basis> > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are> important.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books of Shri> BV> > > Raman,> > > > > > > Shri KN> > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life events to> > > aspects> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > Varga> > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of aspects> being> > > > > allowed> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any Shastra> says> > > so,> > > > > then> > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, has> > > explicitly> > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be considered as> > > actual> > > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence (Not the> exact> > > > > words,> > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning).> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, because> I> > > feel> > > > > that> > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the Divisional> charts,> > > > > forget> > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart upisde> down,> > > as> > > > > long> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Dear all, Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves and am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be made from banana leaves, or others also cannot. Bhaskar. , Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87 wrote:>> Dear All> Â > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 or chart made as K.P> shows nothing .or I not able to identify> With Regards> suresh awasthi> > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex wrote:> > > axeplex axeplex Re: SRILANKA> > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM> > > Â > > > > Bhaskarji,> > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in future. I don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated in many discussions including the latest "Factors for Adoption". You can read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the case for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > Sir,> > > > KP is specialisation.> > > > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > > > D Charts is the Sonography.> > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who can tell> > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not need> > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X Ray can> > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not mean> > that one cannot predict from the D Charts.> > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the times i> > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the Why....> > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till date.> > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also explain why> > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a stand alone> > basis ?> > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what you have> > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations.> > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a months> > time to do this.> > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here...> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Bhaskar sir,> > >> > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no oppositions. //> > >> > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it is anyway> > unending discussion.> > >> > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal Chart,> > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if one> > can read the D Chart in affirmations. //> > >> > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You would> > ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> > >> > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than what> > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between shadows(Planets in D> > Charts) does not make sense.//> > >> > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my previous> > mails.> > >> > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will realise is> > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level predictions> > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to use, due to> > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.//> > >> > > No comments.> > >> > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in order> > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or mandatory to> > check D Charts in order to predict well.//> > >> > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But without> > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need D-chart.> > >> > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to> > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the> > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? //> > >> > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at maximum 400> > to 800 people.> > >> > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict education from> > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. //> > >> > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday open to> > learn.> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Boss,> > > >> > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no oppositions. I> > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal Chart,> > theres> > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if one can> > read> > > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > > >> > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than what is> > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between shadows(Planets in> > D> > > > Charts) does not make sense.> > > >> > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will realise is a> > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level predictions> > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to use, due> > to> > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.> > > >> > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it does> > not> > > > stand well and is illogical.//> > > >> > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in order to> > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or mandatory to> > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.> > > >> > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us> > take> > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000> > people> > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and may be> > even> > > > more if we consider next day also. //> > > >> > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to> > decipher> > > > between many births within the same window. What is the Nakshatra> > system> > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ?> > > >> > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education from> > the> > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart.> > > >> > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate the D24 ?> > > >> > > > thanks and regards,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > <axeplex@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > >> > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in> > isolation. I> > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic fundas are> > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more concerned> > with> > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone has own> > style.> > > > >> > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it comes to> > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, there> > would> > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with the same> > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if we> > consider> > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts> > education,> > > > it does not stand well and is illogical.> > > > >> > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had a big> > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept is used> > in> > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas.> > > > >> > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather than> > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in Shastras> > but> > > > is accepted since it works.> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a marriage, Suhaag> > > > raat,> > > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > > >> > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without becoing> > adept> > > > in> > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can one> > become a> > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree.> > > > > >> > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its always the> > Father> > > > who> > > > > > comes first in the world.> > > > > >> > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, would> > like> > > > to> > > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > > >> > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts.> > > > > >> > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart.> > > > > >> > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but is> > actually> > > > > > impossible.> > > > > >> > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its the> > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach the> > Natal> > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the 5th> > house, he> > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one observes in the> > > > 10th> > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the Dasamsa.> > This> > > > is> > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in> > isolation.> > > > The> > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to bring> > in a> > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet the> > > > prospective> > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is (Natal> > > > Chart),> > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl (Combine what> > you> > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D Chart).> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add on to> > what> > > > you> > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept in> > D-charts,> > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there is> > > > difference> > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find any> > shloka> > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already exchanged> > more> > > > than a> > > > > > 200> > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was> > supporting> > > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all> > references on> > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in support,> > rather> > > > not> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch over to the> > > > other> > > > > > side> > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You will not> > find> > > > it> > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will not say> > > > where.> > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in matching> > > > already> > > > > > known> > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn> > forecasting,> > > > > > which> > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are to help> > > > > > students> > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has happened> > > > already.> > > > > > One> > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the Natal Chart> > > > before> > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact one> > should> > > > be> > > > > > able> > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or with no> > birth> > > > > > details.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP sub with> > > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was saying, aim of> > > > both is> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the individual.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know where> > and if> > > > it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > written somewhere.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have I> > mentioned> > > > that> > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the Traditional> > > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am fully> > aware> > > > > > where I> > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally do not> > > > leave> > > > > > any> > > > > > > > loose> > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or point> > any> > > > > > fingers on> > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka -couplet> > > > talking> > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put up this> > > > question> > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, which I> > > > know> > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > well, are there.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please,> > unnecessarily> > > > > > without> > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot Cards then> > or> > > > > > Jamini, or> > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will all> > become a> > > > > > mess.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as people> > following> > > > KP> > > > > > use> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the Traditional> > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. Who says> > this> > > > is> > > > > > > > wrong ?> > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about this. I> > know> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a wrong> > > > > > comparison.> > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D Charts and> > not> > > > the> > > > > > > > subs.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though there> > is> > > > > > nowhere> > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in some> > > > concepts. To> > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or sub/> > > > sub-sub as> > > > > > per> > > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the crowd.> > > > > > Sometimes,> > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in> > computer,> > > > one> > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results are same.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole population> > by> > > > 12, do> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd to> > small> > > > groups> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ sub-sub help> > to> > > > break> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > small groups further.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches with> > problem> > > > on> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > basis> > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are> > important.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books of Shri> > BV> > > > Raman,> > > > > > > > Shri KN> > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life events to> > > > aspects> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > Varga> > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of aspects> > being> > > > > > allowed> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any Shastra> > says> > > > so,> > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, has> > > > explicitly> > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be considered as> > > > actual> > > > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence (Not the> > exact> > > > > > words,> > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, because> > I> > > > feel> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the Divisional> > charts,> > > > > > forget> > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart upisde> > down,> > > > as> > > > > > long> > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Bhaskarji, I could not understand what you mean? regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear all, > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves and > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be made > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > Bhaskar. > > > , Suresh Awasthi > <sureshawasthi87@> wrote: > > > > Dear All > > Â > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 or > chart made as K.P > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > With Regards > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in future. I > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated in > many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . You can > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the case > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who can > tell > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not need > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X Ray > can > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not mean > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the times > i > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the > Why.... > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till > date. > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also explain > why > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a stand > alone > > > basis ? > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what you > have > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a > months > > > time to do this. > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it is > anyway > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal Chart, > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if > one > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You would > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > what > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between shadows(Planets > in D > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my > previous > > > mails. > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will realise > is > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > predictions > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to use, > due to > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > order > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or mandatory > to > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But without > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > D-chart. > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at maximum > 400 > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > from > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday > open to > > > learn. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > oppositions. I > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal Chart, > > > theres > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if one > can > > > read > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > what is > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between shadows(Planets > in > > > D > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will realise > is a > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > predictions > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to use, > due > > > to > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it > does > > > not > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > order to > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > mandatory to > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > > > take > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to > 2000 > > > people > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and may > be > > > even > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > decipher > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > Nakshatra > > > system > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > from > > > the > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate the > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > > > isolation. I > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic fundas > are > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > concerned > > > with > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone has > own > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it > comes to > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, there > > > would > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with the > same > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if we > > > consider > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > education, > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had a > big > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept is > used > > > in > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather > than > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in > Shastras > > > but > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a marriage, > Suhaag > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without > becoing > > > adept > > > > > in > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can one > > > become a > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its always > the > > > Father > > > > > who > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, > would > > > like > > > > > to > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but is > > > actually > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its the > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach the > > > Natal > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the 5th > > > house, he > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one observes in > the > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the > Dasamsa. > > > This > > > > > is > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > > > isolation. > > > > > The > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to > bring > > > in a > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet the > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is > (Natal > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl (Combine > what > > > you > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " axeplex " > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add on to > > > what > > > > > you > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept in > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there is > > > > > difference > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find any > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already exchanged > > > more > > > > > than a > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > > > supporting > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > > > references on > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in support, > > > rather > > > > > not > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch over to > the > > > > > other > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You will > not > > > find > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will not > say > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in > matching > > > > > already > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are to > help > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has > happened > > > > > already. > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the Natal > Chart > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact one > > > should > > > > > be > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or with no > > > birth > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " axeplex " > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP sub > with > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was saying, > aim of > > > > > both is > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know > where > > > and if > > > > > it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have I > > > mentioned > > > > > that > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > Traditional > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am > fully > > > aware > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally do > not > > > > > leave > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or > point > > > any > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka > -couplet > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put up > this > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, > which I > > > > > know > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot Cards > then > > > or > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will all > > > become a > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as people > > > following > > > > > KP > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > Traditional > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. Who > says > > > this > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about this. > I > > > know > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a > wrong > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D Charts > and > > > not > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though > there > > > is > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in some > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or > sub/ > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the > crowd. > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > > > computer, > > > > > one > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results are > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > population > > > by > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd to > > > small > > > > > groups > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ sub-sub > help > > > to > > > > > break > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches with > > > problem > > > > > on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books of > Shri > > > BV > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life > events to > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of > aspects > > > being > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any > Shastra > > > says > > > > > so, > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, has > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be considered > as > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence (Not > the > > > exact > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, > because > > > I > > > > > feel > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the Divisional > > > charts, > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart > upisde > > > down, > > > > > as > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Dear Dev ji, This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That mail was given in general and not to any person specific. I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate that event. This is not right astrology. I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through KP. One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more about how to predict through the same. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Bhaskarji, > > I could not understand what you mean? > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves and > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be made > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Suresh Awasthi > > <sureshawasthi87@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All > > > Â > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 or > > chart made as K.P > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > With Regards > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in future. I > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated in > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . You can > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the case > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who can > > tell > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not need > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X Ray > > can > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not mean > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the times > > i > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the > > Why.... > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till > > date. > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also explain > > why > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a stand > > alone > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what you > > have > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a > > months > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > <axeplex@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it is > > anyway > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal Chart, > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if > > one > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You would > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > > what > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between shadows(Planets > > in D > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my > > previous > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will realise > > is > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > predictions > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to use, > > due to > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > order > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or mandatory > > to > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But without > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at maximum > > 400 > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > > from > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday > > open to > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > oppositions. I > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal Chart, > > > > theres > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if one > > can > > > > read > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > > what is > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between shadows(Planets > > in > > > > D > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will realise > > is a > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > predictions > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to use, > > due > > > > to > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it > > does > > > > not > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > order to > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > mandatory to > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > > > > take > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to > > 2000 > > > > people > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and may > > be > > > > even > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > > decipher > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > Nakshatra > > > > system > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > > from > > > > the > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate the > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic fundas > > are > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > concerned > > > > with > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone has > > own > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it > > comes to > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, there > > > > would > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with the > > same > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if we > > > > consider > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > education, > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had a > > big > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept is > > used > > > > in > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather > > than > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in > > Shastras > > > > but > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a marriage, > > Suhaag > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without > > becoing > > > > adept > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can one > > > > become a > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its always > > the > > > > Father > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, > > would > > > > like > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but is > > > > actually > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its the > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach the > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the 5th > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one observes in > > the > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the > > Dasamsa. > > > > This > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > > > > isolation. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to > > bring > > > > in a > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet the > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is > > (Natal > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl (Combine > > what > > > > you > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " axeplex " > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add on to > > > > what > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept in > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there is > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find any > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already exchanged > > > > more > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > > > > references on > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in support, > > > > rather > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch over to > > the > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You will > > not > > > > find > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will not > > say > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in > > matching > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are to > > help > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has > > happened > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the Natal > > Chart > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact one > > > > should > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or with no > > > > birth > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP sub > > with > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was saying, > > aim of > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know > > where > > > > and if > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have I > > > > mentioned > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > Traditional > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am > > fully > > > > aware > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally do > > not > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or > > point > > > > any > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka > > -couplet > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put up > > this > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, > > which I > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot Cards > > then > > > > or > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will all > > > > become a > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as people > > > > following > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > Traditional > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. Who > > says > > > > this > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about this. > > I > > > > know > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a > > wrong > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D Charts > > and > > > > not > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though > > there > > > > is > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in some > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or > > sub/ > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the > > crowd. > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > > > > computer, > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results are > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > population > > > > by > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd to > > > > small > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ sub-sub > > help > > > > to > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches with > > > > problem > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books of > > Shri > > > > BV > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life > > events to > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of > > aspects > > > > being > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any > > Shastra > > > > says > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, has > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be considered > > as > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence (Not > > the > > > > exact > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, > > because > > > > I > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the Divisional > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart > > upisde > > > > down, > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Bhaskarji, I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. Asc - Libra - No Planet 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter 3rd - Sag - No Planet 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon 5th - Aquarius - No planet 6th - Pisces - No planet 7th - Aries - No Planet 8th - Taurus - Saturn 9th - Gemini - No planet 10th - Cancer - Ketu 11th - Leo - No Planet 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Dev ji, > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate > that event. This is not right astrology. > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through > KP. > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more > about how to predict through the same. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves > and > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > made > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , Suresh Awasthi > > > <sureshawasthi87@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > Â > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 > or > > > chart made as K.P > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > With Regards > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > future. I > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated > in > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . You > can > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the > case > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who > can > > > tell > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > need > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X > Ray > > > can > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not > mean > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the > times > > > i > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till > > > date. > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > explain > > > why > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > stand > > > alone > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what > you > > > have > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a > > > months > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it > is > > > anyway > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > Chart, > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > if > > > one > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You > would > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > than > > > what > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > shadows(Planets > > > in D > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my > > > previous > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > realise > > > is > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > predictions > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > use, > > > due to > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > order > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > mandatory > > > to > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > without > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us > to > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > maximum > > > 400 > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > education > > > from > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday > > > open to > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > Chart, > > > > > theres > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if > one > > > can > > > > > read > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > > > what is > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > shadows(Planets > > > in > > > > > D > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > realise > > > is a > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > predictions > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > use, > > > due > > > > > to > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > order to > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > Let us > > > > > take > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > 2000 > > > > > people > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and > may > > > be > > > > > even > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > Nakshatra > > > > > system > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate > the > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " axeplex " > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > fundas > > > are > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > concerned > > > > > with > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone > has > > > own > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it > > > comes to > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, > there > > > > > would > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with > the > > > same > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if > we > > > > > consider > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > > education, > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had > a > > > big > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept > is > > > used > > > > > in > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather > > > than > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in > > > Shastras > > > > > but > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > marriage, > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without > > > becoing > > > > > adept > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can > one > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > always > > > the > > > > > Father > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, > > > would > > > > > like > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but > is > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its > the > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach > the > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the > 5th > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > observes in > > > the > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > This > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to > > > bring > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet > the > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is > > > (Natal > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > (Combine > > > what > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add > on to > > > > > what > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept > in > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there > is > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find > any > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > exchanged > > > > > more > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > support, > > > > > rather > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > over to > > > the > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You > will > > > not > > > > > find > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will > not > > > say > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in > > > matching > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are > to > > > help > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has > > > happened > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > Natal > > > Chart > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact > one > > > > > should > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > with no > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP > sub > > > with > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > saying, > > > aim of > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know > > > where > > > > > and if > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have > I > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am > > > fully > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally > do > > > not > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or > > > point > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka > > > -couplet > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put > up > > > this > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, > > > which I > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > Cards > > > then > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will > all > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > people > > > > > following > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. > Who > > > says > > > > > this > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about > this. > > > I > > > > > know > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D > Charts > > > and > > > > > not > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in > some > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or > > > sub/ > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results > are > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > population > > > > > by > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd > to > > > > > small > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > sub-sub > > > help > > > > > to > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches > with > > > > > problem > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books > of > > > Shri > > > > > BV > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life > > > events to > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of > > > aspects > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any > > > Shastra > > > > > says > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, > has > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > considered > > > as > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence > (Not > > > the > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, > > > because > > > > > I > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > Divisional > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart > > > upisde > > > > > down, > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Dear Dev ji, Please explain Sir. I did not understand what has been displayed here Sir. Where is the explanation of the D Chart Sir ? How to study the same Sir ? How is it made Sir ? Which D Chart are you explaining us first, Sir ? I like to wrote long mails Sir. This time I have written a short one because it seems you do not like my long mails Sir. regards, Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Bhaskarji, > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > 6th - Pisces - No planet > 7th - Aries - No Planet > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > 9th - Gemini - No planet > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > 11th - Leo - No Planet > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > regds > Dev > > > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through > > KP. > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves > > and > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > made > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Suresh Awasthi > > > > <sureshawasthi87@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > Â > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 > > or > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > With Regards > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > future. I > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated > > in > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . You > > can > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the > > case > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who > > can > > > > tell > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > need > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X > > Ray > > > > can > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not > > mean > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the > > times > > > > i > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till > > > > date. > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > explain > > > > why > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > stand > > > > alone > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what > > you > > > > have > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a > > > > months > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it > > is > > > > anyway > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > Chart, > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > > if > > > > one > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You > > would > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > than > > > > what > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > shadows(Planets > > > > in D > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my > > > > previous > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > realise > > > > is > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > predictions > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > use, > > > > due to > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > order > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > mandatory > > > > to > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > without > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us > > to > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > maximum > > > > 400 > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > education > > > > from > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday > > > > open to > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > Chart, > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if > > one > > > > can > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > > > > what is > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > shadows(Planets > > > > in > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > realise > > > > is a > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > use, > > > > due > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it > > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > > order to > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > > Let us > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > > 2000 > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and > > may > > > > be > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate > > the > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " axeplex " > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > fundas > > > > are > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > concerned > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone > > has > > > > own > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, > > there > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with > > the > > > > same > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if > > we > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had > > a > > > > big > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept > > is > > > > used > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather > > > > than > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in > > > > Shastras > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > marriage, > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without > > > > becoing > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can > > one > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > always > > > > the > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, > > > > would > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but > > is > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its > > the > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach > > the > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the > > 5th > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > observes in > > > > the > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to > > > > bring > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet > > the > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > (Combine > > > > what > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add > > on to > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept > > in > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there > > is > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find > > any > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > exchanged > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > support, > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > over to > > > > the > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You > > will > > > > not > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will > > not > > > > say > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in > > > > matching > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are > > to > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has > > > > happened > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > Natal > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact > > one > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > with no > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP > > sub > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > saying, > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know > > > > where > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have > > I > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am > > > > fully > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally > > do > > > > not > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or > > > > point > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put > > up > > > > this > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, > > > > which I > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > Cards > > > > then > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will > > all > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > people > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. > > Who > > > > says > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about > > this. > > > > I > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D > > Charts > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in > > some > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results > > are > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > population > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd > > to > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > sub-sub > > > > help > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches > > with > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books > > of > > > > Shri > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life > > > > events to > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of > > > > aspects > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any > > > > Shastra > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, > > has > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > considered > > > > as > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence > > (Not > > > > the > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, > > > > because > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > Divisional > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart > > > > upisde > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Dear Dev JI, You have,Really a great spirit and very much open....too good If i am not mistaken then your question for discussion related to education is not something school teaching,it is for how sharp that native is in terms of brain ? Below are my finding from chart.... It does not seems to me very good/higher education rather it seems native will have a required education which can make him very good for making calculation. --hope this works ------------------ Regards, Devisingh axeplex wrote: Bhaskarji, I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. Asc - Libra - No Planet 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter 3rd - Sag - No Planet 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon 5th - Aquarius - No planet 6th - Pisces - No planet 7th - Aries - No Planet 8th - Taurus - Saturn 9th - Gemini - No planet 10th - Cancer - Ketu 11th - Leo - No Planet 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. regds Dev , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Dev ji, > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. That > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to locate > that event. This is not right astrology. > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it through > KP. > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for every > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do instead > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but rather > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then please > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn more > about how to predict through the same. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > , "axeplex" <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , "Bhaskar" > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana leaves > and > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > made > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , Suresh Awasthi > > > <sureshawasthi87@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > Â > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, D1 > or > > > chart made as K.P > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > With Regards > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > future. I > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three months. > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have participated > in > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors for Adoption". You > can > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts the > case > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor who > can > > > tell > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > need > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or an X > Ray > > > can > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does not > mean > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of the > times > > > i > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained the > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group till > > > date. > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > explain > > > why > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > stand > > > alone > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all what > you > > > have > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give you a > > > months > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "axeplex" > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since it > is > > > anyway > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > Chart, > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > if > > > one > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? You > would > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > than > > > what > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > shadows(Planets > > > in D > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of my > > > previous > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > realise > > > is > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > predictions > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > use, > > > due to > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > order > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > mandatory > > > to > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > without > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us > to > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > maximum > > > 400 > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > education > > > from > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am anyday > > > open to > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "Bhaskar" > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > Chart, > > > > > theres > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better if > one > > > can > > > > > read > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather than > > > what is > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > shadows(Planets > > > in > > > > > D > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > realise > > > is a > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > predictions > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > use, > > > due > > > > > to > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts education, it > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts in > > > order to > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore D-chart. > Let us > > > > > take > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > 2000 > > > > > people > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window and > may > > > be > > > > > even > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach us to > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > Nakshatra > > > > > system > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict education > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to calculate > the > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > "axeplex" > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied in > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > fundas > > > are > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > concerned > > > > > with > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. Everyone > has > > > own > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when it > > > comes to > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take education, > there > > > > > would > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born with > the > > > same > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more if > we > > > > > consider > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > > > > education, > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We had > a > > > big > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever concept > is > > > used > > > > > in > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. Rather > > > than > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written in > > > Shastras > > > > > but > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > marriage, > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts without > > > becoing > > > > > adept > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how can > one > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > always > > > the > > > > > Father > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here too, > > > would > > > > > like > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, but > is > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead its > the > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to approach > the > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say the > 5th > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > observes in > > > the > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from the > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > This > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be done in > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you want to > > > bring > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to meet > the > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father is > > > (Natal > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > (Combine > > > what > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to add > on to > > > > > what > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is adept > in > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since there > is > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors only > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will find > any > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > exchanged > > > > > more > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I was > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through all > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > support, > > > > > rather > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > over to > > > the > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. You > will > > > not > > > > > find > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I will > not > > > say > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers in > > > matching > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to learn > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts are > to > > > help > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what has > > > happened > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > Natal > > > Chart > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In fact > one > > > > > should > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > with no > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare KP > sub > > > with > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > saying, > > > aim of > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't know > > > where > > > > > and if > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere have > I > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I am > > > fully > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and normally > do > > > not > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue or > > > point > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any shloka > > > -couplet > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have put > up > > > this > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D Charts, > > > which I > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > Cards > > > then > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this will > all > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > people > > > > > following > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am not. > Who > > > says > > > > > this > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue about > this. > > > I > > > > > know > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but thats a > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith D > Charts > > > and > > > > > not > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. Though > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there in > some > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual D-chart or > > > sub/ > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in the > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an option in > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but results > are > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > population > > > > > by > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the crowd > to > > > > > small > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > sub-sub > > > help > > > > > to > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone approaches > with > > > > > problem > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions are > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in books > of > > > Shri > > > > > BV > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the Life > > > events to > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention of > > > aspects > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If any > > > Shastra > > > > > says > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his books, > has > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > considered > > > as > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of influence > (Not > > > the > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in aspects, > > > because > > > > > I > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > Divisional > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the chart > > > upisde > > > > > down, > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 I definitely like your long mail, sir. I have presented you a chart D-1 with planet placement. I expect people to come up with analysis based on this only. We would discuss D-charts later, sir. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Dev ji, > > Please explain Sir. I did not understand what has been displayed here > Sir. > > Where is the explanation of the D Chart Sir ? > > How to study the same Sir ? > > How is it made Sir ? > > Which D Chart are you explaining us first, Sir ? > > I like to wrote long mails Sir. This time I have written a short one > because it seems you do not like my long mails Sir. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, > I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. > Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am > presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither > D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. > That > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to > locate > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it > through > > > KP. > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for > every > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do > instead > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but > rather > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then > please > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn > more > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana > leaves > > > and > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > > made > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Suresh Awasthi > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, > D1 > > > or > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > > future. I > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three > months. > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have > participated > > > in > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . > You > > > can > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts > the > > > case > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor > who > > > can > > > > > tell > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > > need > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or > an X > > > Ray > > > > > can > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does > not > > > mean > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of > the > > > times > > > > > i > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained > the > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group > till > > > > > date. > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > > explain > > > > > why > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > > stand > > > > > alone > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all > what > > > you > > > > > have > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give > you a > > > > > months > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " axeplex " > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since > it > > > is > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in > Natal > > > Chart, > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is > better > > > if > > > > > one > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? > You > > > would > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > > than > > > > > what > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > in D > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of > my > > > > > previous > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > realise > > > > > is > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > use, > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D > Charts in > > > > > order > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > mandatory > > > > > to > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > > without > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach > us > > > to > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is > the > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for > ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > > maximum > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > education > > > > > from > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am > anyday > > > > > open to > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > Chart, > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > if > > > one > > > > > can > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > than > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > in > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > realise > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten > to > > > use, > > > > > due > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > education, it > > > > > does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts > in > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore > D-chart. > > > Let us > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least > 1000 to > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window > and > > > may > > > > > be > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach > us to > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict > education > > > > > from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to > calculate > > > the > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied > in > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > > fundas > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. > Everyone > > > has > > > > > own > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when > it > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take > education, > > > there > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born > with > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more > if > > > we > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone > predicts > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We > had > > > a > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever > concept > > > is > > > > > used > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. > Rather > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written > in > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > > marriage, > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts > without > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how > can > > > one > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS > Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > > always > > > > > the > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here > too, > > > > > would > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, > but > > > is > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead > its > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to > approach > > > the > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say > the > > > 5th > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > > observes in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from > the > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be > done in > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you > want to > > > > > bring > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to > meet > > > the > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father > is > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > > (Combine > > > > > what > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to > add > > > on to > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is > adept > > > in > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since > there > > > is > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors > only > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will > find > > > any > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > > exchanged > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I > was > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through > all > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > > support, > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > > over to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. > You > > > will > > > > > not > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I > will > > > not > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers > in > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to > learn > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts > are > > > to > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what > has > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > > Natal > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In > fact > > > one > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > > with no > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare > KP > > > sub > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > > saying, > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't > know > > > > > where > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere > have > > > I > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I > am > > > > > fully > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and > normally > > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue > or > > > > > point > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any > shloka > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have > put > > > up > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D > Charts, > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > > Cards > > > > > then > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this > will > > > all > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > > people > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am > not. > > > Who > > > > > says > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue > about > > > this. > > > > > I > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but > thats a > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith > D > > > Charts > > > > > and > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. > Though > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there > in > > > some > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual > D-chart or > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in > the > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an > option in > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but > results > > > are > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > > population > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the > crowd > > > to > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > > sub-sub > > > > > help > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone > approaches > > > with > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions > are > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in > books > > > of > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the > Life > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention > of > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If > any > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his > books, > > > has > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > > considered > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of > influence > > > (Not > > > > > the > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the > meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in > aspects, > > > > > because > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > > Divisional > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the > chart > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Sir, I have 20 charts to study daily for 365 days. If You are expecting me to discuss this, then I am sorry. I am just awaiting to learn and not in an advising mode at the moment. In any case these days I take up only authenticated charts on public forums for discussions. And no personal charts, unless the motives are clear. best regards, Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > I definitely like your long mail, sir. > I have presented you a chart D-1 with planet placement. > I expect people to come up with analysis based on this only. > We would discuss D-charts later, sir. > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > Please explain Sir. I did not understand what has been displayed here > > Sir. > > > > Where is the explanation of the D Chart Sir ? > > > > How to study the same Sir ? > > > > How is it made Sir ? > > > > Which D Chart are you explaining us first, Sir ? > > > > I like to wrote long mails Sir. This time I have written a short one > > because it seems you do not like my long mails Sir. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, > > I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. > > Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am > > presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither > > D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. > > That > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to > > locate > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it > > through > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for > > every > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do > > instead > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but > > rather > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then > > please > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn > > more > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > <axeplex@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana > > leaves > > > > and > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > > > made > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, > > D1 > > > > or > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > > > future. I > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three > > months. > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have > > participated > > > > in > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . > > You > > > > can > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts > > the > > > > case > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor > > who > > > > can > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > > > need > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or > > an X > > > > Ray > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does > > not > > > > mean > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of > > the > > > > times > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained > > the > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group > > till > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > > > explain > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > > > stand > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all > > what > > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give > > you a > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " axeplex " > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since > > it > > > > is > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in > > Natal > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is > > better > > > > if > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? > > You > > > > would > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > > > than > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of > > my > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > realise > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > > use, > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D > > Charts in > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > mandatory > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > > > without > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach > > us > > > > to > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is > > the > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for > > ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > > > maximum > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > > education > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am > > anyday > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > > if > > > > one > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > than > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > realise > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten > > to > > > > use, > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > education, it > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts > > in > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore > > D-chart. > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least > > 1000 to > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window > > and > > > > may > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach > > us to > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > education > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to > > calculate > > > > the > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied > > in > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > > > fundas > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. > > Everyone > > > > has > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when > > it > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take > > education, > > > > there > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born > > with > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more > > if > > > > we > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone > > predicts > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We > > had > > > > a > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever > > concept > > > > is > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. > > Rather > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written > > in > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > > > marriage, > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts > > without > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how > > can > > > > one > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS > > Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > > > always > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here > > too, > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, > > but > > > > is > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead > > its > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to > > approach > > > > the > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say > > the > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > > > observes in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from > > the > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be > > done in > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you > > want to > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to > > meet > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father > > is > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > > > (Combine > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to > > add > > > > on to > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is > > adept > > > > in > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since > > there > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors > > only > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will > > find > > > > any > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I > > was > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through > > all > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > > > support, > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > > > over to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. > > You > > > > will > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I > > will > > > > not > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers > > in > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to > > learn > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts > > are > > > > to > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what > > has > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > > > Natal > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In > > fact > > > > one > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > > > with no > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare > > KP > > > > sub > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > > > saying, > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't > > know > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere > > have > > > > I > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I > > am > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and > > normally > > > > do > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue > > or > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any > > shloka > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have > > put > > > > up > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D > > Charts, > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > > > Cards > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this > > will > > > > all > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > > > people > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am > > not. > > > > Who > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue > > about > > > > this. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but > > thats a > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith > > D > > > > Charts > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. > > Though > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there > > in > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual > > D-chart or > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in > > the > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an > > option in > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but > > results > > > > are > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the > > crowd > > > > to > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone > > approaches > > > > with > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions > > are > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in > > books > > > > of > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the > > Life > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention > > of > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If > > any > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his > > books, > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > > > considered > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of > > influence > > > > (Not > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the > > meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in > > aspects, > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the > > chart > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 I am presenting details again with Nakshtra as well. sir, i am also in receiving mode because if I can learn out of it, nothing like that. discussion on education. I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. Asc - Libra - No Planet 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter 3rd - Sag - No Planet 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon 5th - Aquarius - No planet 6th - Pisces - No planet 7th - Aries - No Planet 8th - Taurus - Saturn 9th - Gemini - No planet 10th - Cancer - Ketu 11th - Leo - No Planet 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury Nakshatra and Lord information: ASC - Swati - Rahu Sun - Hasta - Moon Moon - Srav - Moon Mars - Srav - Moon Me - U. Phalguni - Sun Ju - Anu - Sa Ve - Hasta - Moon Sa - Rohini - Moon Ra - Srav - Moon Ke - Asre - Mer Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. regds Dev , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > I definitely like your long mail, sir. > I have presented you a chart D-1 with planet placement. > I expect people to come up with analysis based on this only. > We would discuss D-charts later, sir. > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > Please explain Sir. I did not understand what has been displayed here > > Sir. > > > > Where is the explanation of the D Chart Sir ? > > > > How to study the same Sir ? > > > > How is it made Sir ? > > > > Which D Chart are you explaining us first, Sir ? > > > > I like to wrote long mails Sir. This time I have written a short one > > because it seems you do not like my long mails Sir. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. Personally, > > I never said anything on KP since it already has its own divisions. > > Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. I am > > presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so that neither > > D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of house > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I understood. > > That > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person specific. > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event from the Natal > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it cannot be > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D Charts to > > locate > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, does not > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot notice it > > through > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the why for > > every > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work also to do > > instead > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that the chart has > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any system, but > > rather > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know about. If for > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D Charts, then > > please > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we can learn > > more > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > <axeplex@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish from Banana > > leaves > > > > and > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that vegetable cannot be > > > > made > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter with D-12, > > D1 > > > > or > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely come back in > > > > future. I > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even three > > months. > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I have > > participated > > > > in > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for Adoption " . > > You > > > > can > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 strongly predicts > > the > > > > case > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal family Doctor > > who > > > > can > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. He does not > > > > need > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT Sonography or > > an X > > > > Ray > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already suspected. This does > > not > > > > mean > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, where 80% of > > the > > > > times > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also explained > > the > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in this Group > > till > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts and also > > > > explain > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal Chart on a > > > > stand > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on display all > > what > > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even if I give > > you a > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the food here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " axeplex " > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no opposition since > > it > > > > is > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is seen in > > Natal > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is > > better > > > > if > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation in D-chart? > > You > > > > would > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > > > than > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already wrote in one of > > my > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > realise > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten to > > > > use, > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study the D > > Charts in > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > mandatory > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from you. But > > > > without > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and does not need > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach > > us > > > > to > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same window. What is > > the > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for > > ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the group to at > > > > maximum > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > > > education > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would learn but am > > anyday > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where there is no > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is seen in Natal > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact it is better > > if > > > > one > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what works, rather > > than > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects between > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study well, you will > > > > realise > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses Nakshtra level > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have forgotten > > to > > > > use, > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone predicts > > education, it > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study the D Charts > > in > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not nessessary or > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not ignore > > D-chart. > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of at least > > 1000 to > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the ASC window > > and > > > > may > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does not teach > > us to > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. What is the > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot predict > > education > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on how to > > calculate > > > > the > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall be studied > > in > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 also. Basic > > > > fundas > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the group are more > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are wrong. > > Everyone > > > > has > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical here. And when > > it > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us take > > education, > > > > there > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 people born > > with > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may be even more > > if > > > > we > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if someone > > predicts > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has to exist. We > > had > > > > a > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. Whatever > > concept > > > > is > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider what works. > > Rather > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is not written > > in > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going through a > > > > marriage, > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D Charts > > without > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please tell me how > > can > > > > one > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal MBBS > > Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is born. Its > > > > always > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the members here > > too, > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself suggested, > > but > > > > is > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach actually, instead > > its > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has taken to > > approach > > > > the > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal chart for say > > the > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or what one > > > > observes in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be conformed from > > the > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D Charts can be > > done in > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. So if you > > want to > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are going to > > meet > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how her Father > > is > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with that Girl > > > > (Combine > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations from the D > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching it. Just to > > add > > > > on to > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If someone is > > adept > > > > in > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that difficult since > > there > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of different factors > > only > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. Nobody will > > find > > > > any > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I have already > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years ago, where I > > was > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process rummaged through > > all > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not standing in > > > > support, > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change sides and switch > > > > over to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes it > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching for this. > > You > > > > will > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one Line, which I > > will > > > > not > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage astrologers > > in > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I want them to > > learn > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. SO my efforts > > are > > > > to > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to connect what > > has > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in predicting from the > > > > Natal > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other Charts. In > > fact > > > > one > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth chart in hand or > > > > with no > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying to compare > > KP > > > > sub > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong comparison. I was > > > > saying, > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to reach the > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in D-charts, I don't > > know > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail properly. Nowhere > > have > > > > I > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone through the > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments on same. So I > > am > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any statement and > > normally > > > > do > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for anybody to argue > > or > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you show me any > > shloka > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D Charts. I have > > put > > > > up > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour existence of D > > Charts, > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every mail please, > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking about Tarot > > > > Cards > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls and this > > will > > > > all > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say that just as > > > > people > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in same way the > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating this ? I am > > not. > > > > Who > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres the issue > > about > > > > this. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D Charts, but > > thats a > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every planetwith > > D > > > > Charts > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of divisions. > > Though > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some indications are there > > in > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or virtual > > D-chart or > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an individual in > > the > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for selecting an > > option in > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses keyboard but > > results > > > > are > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that divides whole > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which divides the > > crowd > > > > to > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts and sub/ > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when somone > > approaches > > > > with > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind charts, divisions > > are > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of Charts , in > > books > > > > of > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and relating the > > Life > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find the mention > > of > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any Shastra. If > > any > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in one of his > > books, > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are not to be > > > > considered > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points of > > influence > > > > (Not > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as the > > meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not matter in > > aspects, > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can read the > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one reads the > > chart > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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