Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Bhaskarji, Bachelors in Engineering is seen from 9th and not 4th. Regading my participation in Neelam ji's chart, I would if God wants me to. I would not participate because you are saying or insisting. If God wants, I may do so because I respect Neelamji and her approach. Matter equally stands closed from my side also on personal remarks part. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > I m not supposed to participate but You are. Since you have been > speaking much on D charts since last 3 weeks. > > The onus lies on You to participate, or else accept that You know > nothing either on Natal Astrology or D Charts and leave with dignity and > next time make no more proclamations and judgements on Astrology. > > I repeat the 9th house is for higher studies...Does that ring a bell > somewhere ? > > Soniaji did not miss theimportant fact which you had asked for and which > you accepted yourself - Engineering. Now whether she saw the Chart > upside down, or with half eyes closed, or while singing a song, does not > matter. She did predict right from the Natal Chart. Now its your duty > to predict from the D Charts as you have been propogating much of this. > > So get down to practicals instead of further unnecessary discussions > please. > > Yes and nothing personal. I will come to have lunch whenever you invite > me with a smile. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > I shall definitely listen to someone " joh sagar mein dubki lagate > hain " . Par pehle maloom to ho jaye ki uski dubki kitni hai. > > > > She never analysed 9th, you read all the posts and 9th in natal does > not show that. Why don't ypu participate in the charts put by Neelamji. > Both are similar in natal chart. And if you think they are authentic, > how can you distinguish between the two without Divisions. > > > > In future, I shall suggest you to refrain from personal remarks since > I don't make any. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bhai Sahab. > > > > > > Pond mein dubki lagaate lagaate jindagi nikal jayeegi. Meri maaniye, > joh > > > saagar mein roj nahaate hain unki baat manne se aapka hi fayda hai, > mera > > > nahin... > > > > > > She never missed anything. She predcited perfectly about Engineering > in > > > one shot. I would call it a great prediction. The 9th is for higher > > > studies.... > > > > > > We shall put up few charts and ask you to show the profession of the > > > native. Then we shall see who misses what. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > She missed on 9th in natal chart and in 9th in natal chart, it > does > > > not indicate what native attained. > > > > > > > > May be your Guru would have taught you about 8th but I shall > > > experiment it from side. I don't accept anything because someone > says > > > it, even if he is Bejan Daruwala. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sivaji and myself have both commented only after reading your > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > My purpose of commenting afterwards was just to show, that this > is > > > seen > > > > > from the Natal Chart itself. So who says that this cannot be > seen > > > from > > > > > the Natal Chart ? > > > > > > > > > > I had seen Soniaji's comments much before you accepted . And I > was > > > very > > > > > happy to read that she was on the right track. Normal people > would > > > not > > > > > be able to associate the 8th house with technical, is what I > > > marvelled > > > > > when I read her analysis. > > > > > > > > > > The 8th house is connected to technical is something which you > would > > > not > > > > > know having studied what you did. This is not taught in the > normal > > > > > courses. It only comes from a Guru. And a practical and > experienced > > > Guru > > > > > who knows all methods of approaching a chart. > > > > > > > > > > I was not here to appear for any tests, which is why I did not > > > comment > > > > > before. In fact I wanted you to ,and still want you to show on > the > > > new > > > > > charts coming on board, how to determine profession and other > > > matters > > > > > from D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji has provided a start. > > > > > > > > > > Why not try those charts and show the actual potential of the > study > > > and > > > > > knowledge of application you have about D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what > > > Soniaji > > > > > put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her > and > > > her > > > > > efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on > 5th > > > house > > > > > rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in > > > education, > > > > > which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes > before I > > > > > revealed the details. > > > > > > > > > > > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This > is > > > new > > > > > thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would > > > experiment > > > > > it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for > higher > > > > > studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of > engineering > > > by > > > > > Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher > studies. > > > > > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house > and > > > 4th > > > > > lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it > > > very > > > > > well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that > is > > > also > > > > > in 9th in D-24. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " siva " > > > > > sarasalai_siva@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > > > > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education > > > /father > > > > > ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala > Purusha's > > > 4th > > > > > sign cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th > house > > > has > > > > > mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the > > > Experts > > > > > can > > > > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to > the > > > Natal > > > > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny > > > predict > > > > > even one > > > > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing > but > > > use > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional > > > astrology. So > > > > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts > make > > > > > utterly no > > > > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. > It > > > just > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate > it > > > with > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying > always > > > to > > > > > show > > > > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP > just > > > to > > > > > ephasise > > > > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know > is > > > there, > > > > > but > > > > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for > future > > > ? > > > > > There > > > > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish > Groups. > > > Show > > > > > me one > > > > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for > the > > > > > future > > > > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very > important > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If > this > > > is > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these > Groups > > > are > > > > > failures > > > > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a > digestable > > > view > > > > > or > > > > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > > > > > confirmed > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and > Rahu > > > show > > > > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms > technical > > > > > studies > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we > > > need > > > > > the > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " axeplex " > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the > details. > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well > but > > > all > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP > > > along > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " axeplex " > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people > follow > > > 4th > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but > what > > > is > > > > > > > > learning, > > > > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. > > > Both > > > > > 4th and > > > > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not > to > > > get > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence > is > > > not > > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > > > > significances of > > > > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and > has > > > been > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting > results > > > from > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. > Well > > > thanks > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter > > > period. > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing > Sa > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and > 5th > > > is > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you > > > predicted > > > > > till > > > > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. > Anyway, > > > other > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he > take. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect > and > > > that > > > > > from > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not > directly > > > linked > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how > is it > > > not > > > > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords > getting > > > > > connected > > > > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality > of > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth > and > > > eighth > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is > > > currently > > > > > running > > > > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your > > > name, it > > > > > > > > reminds > > > > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in > eighth > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect > and > > > that > > > > > from > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly > > > linked > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in > ninth > > > with > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth > and > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from > it. > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his > education, > > > then i > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail > with > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was > > > continuous > > > > > till > > > > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in > eighth > > > house > > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth > > > with > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth > and > > > sixth > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his > education, > > > then > > > > > i > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that > mail > > > with > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord > > > Saturn > > > > > is > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by > Jupiter.From > > > Moon > > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting > this > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house > from > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these > three > > > is > > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house > lords.Education > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical > education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth > house, > > > > > having no > > > > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from > lagna. > > > But > > > > > Moon in > > > > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give > some > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you > Dasa > > > > > starts > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and > > > Jupiter > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. > > > Rahus > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, > he > > > could > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to > sit > > > for > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can > give > > > > > some > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon > as > > > > > written in > > > > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial > period > > > may > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get > into > > > > > technical > > > > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by > Jupiter.From > > > Moon > > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting > this > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house > from > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these > three > > > is > > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. > > > Education > > > > > should > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, > Balance > > > dasha > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha > to > > > follow > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal > > > education. > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > direct > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own > sign, > > > Mars > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > > > > > education, but > > > > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and > > > Jupiter > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. > > > Rahus > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, > he > > > could > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to > sit > > > for > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can > give > > > > > some > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu > and > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial > period > > > may > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get > into > > > > > technical > > > > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you > write a > > > long > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already > has > > > its > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my > > > previous > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary > > > details > > > > > so > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC > is > > > > > middle of > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as > Rasi > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot > understand > > > what > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any > > > person > > > > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice > any > > > > > event > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot > notice > > > it, > > > > > or it > > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the > necessity > > > of > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice > that > > > > > through KP, > > > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or > > > others > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time > > > reasoning > > > > > out the > > > > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have > > > other > > > > > work > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does > not > > > mean > > > > > that > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional > > > Astrology > > > > > or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their > aversions > > > to > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they > already > > > know > > > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions > > > through > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the > same, > > > so > > > > > that we > > > > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook > > > vegetable > > > > > dish > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not > mean, > > > that > > > > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also > cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with > finding > > > the > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to > identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] > Re: > > > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, > 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, > it > > > may be > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not > matter > > > to > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not > prediction > > > > > though I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest > > > " Factors > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there > where > > > D-12 > > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like > the > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is > having > > > a > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you > make > > > him. > > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has > already > > > > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in > this > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used > traditional > > > and > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single > prediction > > > from > > > > > you in > > > > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions > using > > > the D > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made > through > > > the > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please > now > > > put > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by > way > > > of > > > > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 > > > > > Examples even > > > > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but > > > serve > > > > > the > > > > > > > > food > > > > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an > > > argument > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if > there > > > is no > > > > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to > > > confirm > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D > > > Charts. > > > > > In > > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in > affirmations. > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > > > > > confirmation > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must > look > > > into > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. > But > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. > I > > > > > already > > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP > if > > > you > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, > which > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > astrologers > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies > involved > > > in > > > > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not > > > necessary to > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact > it > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > > well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like > to > > > > > learn from > > > > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has > > > divisions > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births > within > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What > is > > > the > > > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that > can > > > divide > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example > where > > > one > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so > from > > > the D > > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May > be, I > > > > > would > > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an > > > argument > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to > confirm > > > what > > > > > is > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D > Charts. > > > In > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must > look > > > into > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. > But > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if > you > > > > > study > > > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, > > > which > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies > involved > > > in > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if > > > someone > > > > > > > > predicts > > > > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not > necessary > > > to > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In > fact it > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to > predict > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, > one > > > can > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have > been a > > > > > group of > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet > > > placements > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day > also. > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional > > > > > astrology does > > > > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the > > > same > > > > > window. > > > > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the > Navamsha > > > meant > > > > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example > where > > > one > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so > from > > > the D > > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an > > > illustration > > > > > on > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and > > > D-charts > > > > > shall > > > > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read > D-chart > > > can > > > > > read D-1 > > > > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many > people > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not > saying > > > they > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are > also > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore > D-chart. > > > Let > > > > > us > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least > 1000 > > > to > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC > > > window > > > > > and may > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking > at > > > > > D-24, if > > > > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > > > > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or > > > Amsas, it > > > > > has > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology > few > > > days > > > > > back. > > > > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of > Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need > to > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in > > > Shastras. > > > > > KP is > > > > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child > > > without > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot > become > > > adept > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal > > > Chart. > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without > passing > > > the > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after > the > > > > > children is > > > > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am > sure > > > all > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without > using > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what > your > > > > > goodself > > > > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of > > > approach > > > > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach > which > > > one > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in > the > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > > > > > sapthamsa or > > > > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal > Chart, > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study > of > > > the D > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come > without a > > > > > Father. > > > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) > > > home > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will > > > first > > > > > see how > > > > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry > your > > > son > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > > > > > confirmations > > > > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking > of > > > > > searching > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is > also > > > > > true. If > > > > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is > not > > > that > > > > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and > consideration > > > of > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve > which > > > I > > > > > shot. > > > > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in > D > > > > > Charts. I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue > about > > > 2 > > > > > years > > > > > > > > ago, > > > > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this > > > process > > > > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this > time > > > I > > > > > am not > > > > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like > to > > > > > change > > > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next > > > match...This > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually > bother > > > > > searching > > > > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one > book > > > and > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want > to > > > > > encourage > > > > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D > > > Charts. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event > in > > > > > advance. > > > > > > > > SO > > > > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy > for > > > them > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much > adept > > > in > > > > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting > from > > > the > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even > without a > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I > am > > > not > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the > small > > > group > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect > parts > > > in > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my > last > > > mail > > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not > exist. I > > > > > have gone > > > > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before > making > > > > > comments > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I > make > > > any > > > > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such > > > matters > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, > where > > > can > > > > > you > > > > > > > > show > > > > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen > in > > > the > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and > not > > > abour > > > > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring > in KP > > > in > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, > > > start > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or > > > Crystal > > > > > balls > > > > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are > > > trying to > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > > > > predictions, in > > > > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who > is > > > > > negating > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying > so. So > > > > > wheres > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP > Subs > > > and > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the > > > antras of > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient > shastras > > > > > talk of > > > > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, > some > > > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone > uses > > > Amsas > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > > > > identifying an > > > > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience > e.g. > > > for > > > > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the > other > > > uses > > > > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily > > > horoscope > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read > > > chart > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, > > > virtual > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to > > > predict > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but > for > > > blind > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for > > > postmartem > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri > > > Santhanam, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one > will > > > never > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > Charts, > > > in > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the > relevant > > > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri > BV > > > raman > > > > > in > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even > Navamsha > > > > > etc. are > > > > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, > just > > > the > > > > > points > > > > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I > can > > > > > recall as > > > > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal > view > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not > many > > > who > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of > aspects > > > in > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each > his > > > own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not > matter > > > even > > > > > if one > > > > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to > give > > > > > correct > > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and > best > > > > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Moderator, Though I have apologised even though there was no personal remark amde, yet let me clarify my stand. I have used a " Muhaavra " (Idiom) and not made any personal remark. None of us goes toponds to have dips and neither do I go to the ocean to have my bath. This is understood. About " nakal mein bhi akkal " , I used again another muhavraa just to show that what I meant for him could not be reepated for our Dear Neelamji. But after the apology he should have no issues now and show us how D-24 is to be checked. regards, Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Dear moderator, > > Please ask group members to refrain from making personal remarks. I never make any such remarks. > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > I have never copied anyone. You think twice before what you speak. > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > Vijay maalya if he wears white shoes, and i also wear the same, does not > > make me Vijay mallya. If gautam Singhania goes to a particular disco > > which I too visit , does not make me equal to his ranks. > > > > Nakal mein bhi akkal ki jaroorat hai. > > > > Neelamji has proved herself through hundreds and thousands of > > predictions on this Group and others , and participated in thousands of > > discussions and has been allowed to write even on Shri KN Raos Website. > > Plus she has many other qualifications to her credit which I cannot > > disclose without her permission. > > > > When she speaks, there is some weight coming in those words. A faith in > > her justice, the faith in the data she puts up, the knowledge of > > security being connected to her postings. > > > > Where have we seen a single display of analysis on Your part, to know > > You . > > > > And it is You who has been speaking much on D Charts. So now why not > > get down to actually practising what You have preached ? > > > > By the way Neelamji is one of the respected Moderators hereon this > > Group. She is well known to many of us. Just forget her address or > > contact numbers etc. and get down to analysing the D charts of the birth > > data given by neelamji and please give the professions of both the > > natives. > > > > Thank You. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Neelamji and all, > > > > > > Now why shall I participate in chart put by Neelamji. I don't know > > her, her contact address, her details. And what is the authenticity of > > the data she has put. > > > > > > //I am just repeating what Bhaskarji put// > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dev Ji and all, > > > > > > > > Let us get on to the practical side of astrology. I have posted two > > charts > > > > from an authentic source. > > > > Please feel free to discuss the charts so that everyone would have > > some > > > > hands-on experience of reading the charts > > > > Sonia ji has done a wonderful job on the data given by you. > > Similarly, I > > > > invite comments on the two charts, specially on the profession. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 February 2010 15:25, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > I will not participate for each and every chart put up here, by a > > person > > > > > whom I do not know personally, or otherwise through name, contact, > > > > > address, and secondly I would never comment on a chart from such a > > > > > person whom I do not know, when I am not sure about the > > authenticity of > > > > > a chart. I am not here to appear for tests, as and when somebody > > wants > > > > > me to. Rather you should have been participating in the charts put > > up on > > > > > the Groups regularly with your explanations of D Charts if you > > feel they > > > > > are so important. > > > > > > > > > > It is the other way round. Only those who can read the Natal Chart > > well, > > > > > would be able to read the D Charts, otherwise not. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no hiding. Hiding is when someone puts a chart and runs > > away. > > > > > It is you who did not participate after chart was put. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Yes, it is true. One who can read D-chart, can very well read > > natal > > > > > chart. Basic fundas are same. > > > > > > 2)I never said so. I said, if D-charts are used, failure rate > > reduces > > > > > significantly while with natal chart only, it would be higher. The > > day > > > > > we can say " never fail " , Astrology would be accepted by all > > scientists > > > > > in the world. > > > > > > 3)I never made any statement against KP and its efficacy. And > > why > > > > > shall I? Unless and until I eat an apple, why shall I say, it is > > rotten > > > > > or sweet? I only said, it has its own divisions, so does not need > > > > > D-chart or Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting but against some categorical statements > > which have > > > > > > > been made by Shri Dev ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Those who can read D charts can read the Natal Charts > > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) One can fail by just reading the Natal Charts, but if one > > reads > > > > > the D > > > > > > > charts one will never fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will ignore the resentment against KP, but how can one > > justify and > > > > > > > accept the above statements as true ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what does my views matter ? Why not bring in the expertise > > of > > > > > D-24 > > > > > > > Charts now in display? Whos stopping this ? Why not show the > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > from D-24 now, whether Bhaskar agrees or not to the above > > > > > statements, > > > > > > > how is it connected ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will advise that people forget Bhaskar for the time being, > > and all > > > > > > > eugolising and propogation of the importance of D Charts done > > by the > > > > > > > members in question, must now be put in a practical show of > > display, > > > > > > > rather than searching for excuses to avoid this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,and Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > // Let me see what other members have to say.// > > > > > > > > what do they say?When 2members are not understanding each > > others > > > > > point > > > > > > > > of view.They keep silent and donot want to precipitate > > matters by > > > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > sides.Unless we respect other member's point of view so > > called > > > > > > > > discussion becomes argument and then fight!!!which goes on > > and > > > > > > > > on....where TRUTH hides.......!!! > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > gopi > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this and also on your natal chart > > analysis. > > > > > > > Wait! > > > > > > > > Let me see what other members have to say. And who is > > equating KP > > > > > with > > > > > > > > D-charts? It is you. Who is talking of study only D-charts > > without > > > > > > > > natal? It is you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My emphasis is to study divisions along with natal chart. > > > > > Division > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > be studied in the form of D-chart or Amsas (What Sreenadhji > > does). > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > has its own divisions in the form of Sub/ Sub-sub and does > > not > > > > > need > > > > > > > > D-charts or Amsas. If you can not understand this, I can not > > help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the > > > > > Experts > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to > > the > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny > > > > > predict > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing > > but > > > > > use > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional > > > > > astrology. So > > > > > > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts > > make > > > > > > > utterly > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal > > Chart. It > > > > > just > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one > > equate it > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying > > always > > > > > to > > > > > > > > show > > > > > > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP > > just > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ephasise > > > > > > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know > > is > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for > > future > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish > > Groups. > > > > > Show > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting > > for the > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very > > important > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail .. If > > this > > > > > is > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these > > Groups > > > > > are > > > > > > > > failures > > > > > > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a > > digestable > > > > > view > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot > > be > > > > > > > confirmed > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and > > Rahu > > > > > show > > > > > > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms > > technical > > > > > > > > studies > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but > > we > > > > > need > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as > > well but > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply > > KP > > > > > along > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people > > follow > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but > > what > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > learning, > > > > > > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal > > education. > > > > > Both > > > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or > > not to > > > > > get > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and > > intelligence is > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > > > > > > > significances of > > > > > > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and > > has > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting > > results > > > > > from > > > > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. > > Well > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in > > Jupiter > > > > > period. > > > > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter > > aspecing Sa > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house > > and 5th > > > > > is > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > till > > > > > > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. > > Anyway, > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he > > take. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect > > and > > > > > that > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not > > directly > > > > > linked > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how > > is it > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords > > getting > > > > > > > > connected > > > > > > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the > > quality of > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth > > and > > > > > eighth > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is > > > > > currently > > > > > > > > running > > > > > > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read > > your > > > > > name, it > > > > > > > > > > reminds > > > > > > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in > > eighth > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect > > and > > > > > that > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not > > directly > > > > > linked > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in > > ninth > > > > > with > > > > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is > > fifth and > > > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from > > it. > > > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his > > education, > > > > > then i > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that > > mail with > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was > > > > > continuous > > > > > > > > till > > > > > > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in > > eighth > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in > > ninth > > > > > with > > > > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth > > and > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his > > education, > > > > > then > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that > > mail > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth > > lord > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by > > Jupiter.From > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting > > this > > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth > > house from > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these > > three > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house > > lords.Education > > > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical > > education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth > > house, > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from > > lagna. > > > > > But > > > > > > > > Moon in > > > > > > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give > > some > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told > > you Dasa > > > > > > > > starts > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu > > and > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his > > career. > > > > > Rahus > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, > > he > > > > > could > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to > > sit > > > > > for > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas > > can give > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon > > as > > > > > > > written > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial > > period > > > > > may > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly > > get into > > > > > > > > technical > > > > > > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by > > Jupiter.From > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting > > this > > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth > > house from > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these > > three > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. > > > > > Education > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, > > Balance > > > > > dasha > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha > > to > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > direct > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own > > sign, > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > in > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his > > career. > > > > > Rahus > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, > > he > > > > > could > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to > > sit > > > > > for > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas > > can give > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu > > and > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial > > period > > > > > may > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly > > get into > > > > > > > > technical > > > > > > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you > > write a > > > > > long > > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it > > already has > > > > > its > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but > > planetary > > > > > details > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where > > ASC is > > > > > > > middle > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as > > Rasi > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot > > understand > > > > > what > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot > > notice any > > > > > > > event > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot > > notice > > > > > it, > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the > > necessity > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice > > that > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or > > > > > others > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time > > > > > reasoning > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many > > have > > > > > other > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does > > not > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their > > aversions > > > > > to > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they > > already > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about > > predictions > > > > > through > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the > > same, > > > > > so > > > > > > > > that we > > > > > > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > > dish > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not > > mean, > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also > > cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ> > 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with > > finding > > > > > the > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to > > identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex > > axeplex@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > astrology] Re: > > > > > > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, > > 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ> > 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I > > would > > > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, > > it > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not > > matter > > > > > to > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not > > prediction > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the > > latest > > > > > " Factors > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there > > where > > > > > D-12 > > > > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like > > the > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is > > having > > > > > a > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you > > make > > > > > him. > > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has > > already > > > > > > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the > > D > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in > > this > > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used > > traditional > > > > > and > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single > > prediction > > > > > from > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions > > using > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made > > through > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and > > please now > > > > > put > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... > > by way > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me > > 3 > > > > > > > Examples > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes > > but > > > > > serve > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > food > > > > > > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if > > there > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to > > > > > confirm > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm > > D > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in > > affirmations. > > > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is > > no > > > > > > > > confirmation > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must > > look > > > > > into > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. > > But > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect > > apart. I > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, > > which > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies > > involved > > > > > in > > > > > > > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not > > > > > necessary to > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In > > fact it > > > > > is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to > > predict > > > > > well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would > > like to > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has > > > > > divisions > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our > > Traditional > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births > > within > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? > > What is > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that > > can > > > > > divide > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example > > where > > > > > one > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so > > from > > > > > the D > > > > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May > > be, I > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to > > confirm > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D > > Charts. > > > > > In > > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must > > look > > > > > into > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. > > But > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP > > if you > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the > > Shastras, > > > > > which > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies > > involved > > > > > in > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, > > if > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > predicts > > > > > > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is > > illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not > > necessary > > > > > to > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In > > fact it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to > > predict > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to > > logic, one > > > > > can > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have > > been a > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet > > > > > placements > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day > > also. > > > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our > > Traditional > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > window. > > > > > > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the > > Navamsha > > > > > meant > > > > > > > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example > > where > > > > > one > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so > > from > > > > > the D > > > > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an > > > > > illustration > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal > > and > > > > > D-charts > > > > > > > > shall > > > > > > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read > > D-chart > > > > > can > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > D-1 > > > > > > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many > > people > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not > > saying > > > > > they > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are > > also > > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore > > D-chart. > > > > > Let > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at > > least 1000 > > > > > to > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC > > > > > window > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without > > looking at > > > > > > > D-24, > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and > > is > > > > > > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or > > > > > Amsas, it > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology > > few > > > > > days > > > > > > > > back. > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of > > Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we > > need to > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in > > > > > Shastras. > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child > > > > > without > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot > > become > > > > > adept > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the > > Natal > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without > > passing > > > > > the > > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after > > the > > > > > > > > children is > > > > > > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am > > sure > > > > > all > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + > > D > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without > > using > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is > > what your > > > > > > > > goodself > > > > > > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference > > of > > > > > approach > > > > > > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach > > which > > > > > one > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices > > in the > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from > > the > > > > > > > sapthamsa > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal > > Chart, > > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no > > study of > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come > > without a > > > > > > > > Father. > > > > > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D > > Charts) > > > > > home > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you > > will > > > > > first > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to > > marry your > > > > > son > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart > > with > > > > > > > > confirmations > > > > > > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even > > thinking of > > > > > > > > searching > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is > > also > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart > > is not > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and > > consideration > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve > > which > > > > > I > > > > > > > > shot. > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects > > in D > > > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue > > about > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > ago, > > > > > > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in > > this > > > > > process > > > > > > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But > > this time > > > > > I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. > > Like to > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next > > > > > match...This > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually > > bother > > > > > > > > searching > > > > > > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one > > book > > > > > and > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not > > want to > > > > > > > > encourage > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in > > D > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an > > event in > > > > > > > > advance. > > > > > > > > > > SO > > > > > > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy > > for > > > > > them > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much > > adept > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even > > without a > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. > > I am > > > > > not > > > > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is > > a > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the > > small > > > > > group > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect > > parts > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my > > last > > > > > mail > > > > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not > > exist. I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before > > making > > > > > > > > comments > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I > > make > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such > > > > > matters > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, > > where > > > > > can > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > show > > > > > > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be > > seen in > > > > > the > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and > > not > > > > > abour > > > > > > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring > > in KP > > > > > in > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > wil, > > > > > start > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, > > or > > > > > Crystal > > > > > > > > balls > > > > > > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > > > > > > predictions, > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But > > who is > > > > > > > > negating > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying > > so. So > > > > > > > > wheres > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of > > KP Subs > > > > > and > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the > > > > > antras of > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient > > shastras > > > > > > > talk > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, > > some > > > > > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone > > uses > > > > > Amsas > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > > > > > > identifying > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience > > e.g. > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the > > other > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and > > read > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these > > Amsas, > > > > > virtual > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to > > > > > predict > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but > > for > > > > > blind > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear > > Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for > > > > > postmartem > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri > > > > > Santhanam, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one > > will > > > > > never > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > Charts, > > > > > in > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the > > relevant > > > > > > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, > > Shri BV > > > > > raman > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even > > Navamsha > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, > > just > > > > > the > > > > > > > > points > > > > > > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what > > I can > > > > > > > > recall as > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal > > view > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are > > not many > > > > > who > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of > > aspects > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each > > his > > > > > own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not > > matter > > > > > even > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to > > give > > > > > > > correct > > > > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and > > best > > > > > > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! > > See > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! > > See > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear All, Let us close this discussion which is leading us no where, even though the google bandwidth is free, our time is precious!I request everyone to share their views on the two charts and give us some demonstrable techniques to find the differences. Dev ji, even if you do not know me or trust me, try giving your logical analysis for everyone to learn from it. We all learn like that, even from others' mistakes (in this case my wrong data, if at all)! RegardsNeelamLet us rise On 13 February 2010 16:26, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:  Dear Moderator, Though I have apologised even though there was no personal remark amde, yet let me clarify my stand. I have used a " Muhaavra " (Idiom) and not made any personal remark. None of us goes toponds to have dips and neither do I go to the ocean to have my bath. This is understood. About " nakal mein bhi akkal " , I used again another muhavraa just to show that what I meant for him could not be reepated for our Dear Neelamji. But after the apology he should have no issues now and show us how D-24 is to be checked. regards, Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Dear moderator, > > Please ask group members to refrain from making personal remarks. I never make any such remarks. > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > I have never copied anyone. You think twice before what you speak. > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > Vijay maalya if he wears white shoes, and i also wear the same, does not > > make me Vijay mallya. If gautam Singhania goes to a particular disco > > which I too visit , does not make me equal to his ranks. > > > > Nakal mein bhi akkal ki jaroorat hai. > > > > Neelamji has proved herself through hundreds and thousands of > > predictions on this Group and others , and participated in thousands of > > discussions and has been allowed to write even on Shri KN Raos Website. > > Plus she has many other qualifications to her credit which I cannot > > disclose without her permission. > > > > When she speaks, there is some weight coming in those words. A faith in > > her justice, the faith in the data she puts up, the knowledge of > > security being connected to her postings. > > > > Where have we seen a single display of analysis on Your part, to know > > You . > > > > And it is You who has been speaking much on D Charts. So now why not > > get down to actually practising what You have preached ? > > > > By the way Neelamji is one of the respected Moderators hereon this > > Group. She is well known to many of us. Just forget her address or > > contact numbers etc. and get down to analysing the D charts of the birth > > data given by neelamji and please give the professions of both the > > natives. > > > > Thank You. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Neelamji and all, > > > > > > Now why shall I participate in chart put by Neelamji. I don't know > > her, her contact address, her details. And what is the authenticity of > > the data she has put. > > > > > > //I am just repeating what Bhaskarji put// > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dev Ji and all, > > > > > > > > Let us get on to the practical side of astrology. I have posted two > > charts > > > > from an authentic source. > > > > Please feel free to discuss the charts so that everyone would have > > some > > > > hands-on experience of reading the charts > > > > Sonia ji has done a wonderful job on the data given by you. > > Similarly, I > > > > invite comments on the two charts, specially on the profession. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 February 2010 15:25, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > I will not participate for each and every chart put up here, by a > > person > > > > > whom I do not know personally, or otherwise through name, contact, > > > > > address, and secondly I would never comment on a chart from such a > > > > > person whom I do not know, when I am not sure about the > > authenticity of > > > > > a chart. I am not here to appear for tests, as and when somebody > > wants > > > > > me to. Rather you should have been participating in the charts put > > up on > > > > > the Groups regularly with your explanations of D Charts if you > > feel they > > > > > are so important. > > > > > > > > > > It is the other way round. Only those who can read the Natal Chart > > well, > > > > > would be able to read the D Charts, otherwise not. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no hiding. Hiding is when someone puts a chart and runs > > away. > > > > > It is you who did not participate after chart was put. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Yes, it is true. One who can read D-chart, can very well read > > natal > > > > > chart. Basic fundas are same. > > > > > > 2)I never said so. I said, if D-charts are used, failure rate > > reduces > > > > > significantly while with natal chart only, it would be higher. The > > day > > > > > we can say " never fail " , Astrology would be accepted by all > > scientists > > > > > in the world. > > > > > > 3)I never made any statement against KP and its efficacy. And > > why > > > > > shall I? Unless and until I eat an apple, why shall I say, it is > > rotten > > > > > or sweet? I only said, it has its own divisions, so does not need > > > > > D-chart or Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting but against some categorical statements > > which have > > > > > > > been made by Shri Dev ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Those who can read D charts can read the Natal Charts > > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) One can fail by just reading the Natal Charts, but if one > > reads > > > > > the D > > > > > > > charts one will never fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will ignore the resentment against KP, but how can one > > justify and > > > > > > > accept the above statements as true ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what does my views matter ? Why not bring in the expertise > > of > > > > > D-24 > > > > > > > Charts now in display? Whos stopping this ? Why not show the > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > from D-24 now, whether Bhaskar agrees or not to the above > > > > > statements, > > > > > > > how is it connected ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will advise that people forget Bhaskar for the time being, > > and all > > > > > > > eugolising and propogation of the importance of D Charts done > > by the > > > > > > > members in question, must now be put in a practical show of > > display, > > > > > > > rather than searching for excuses to avoid this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,and Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > // Let me see what other members have to say.// > > > > > > > > what do they say?When 2members are not understanding each > > others > > > > > point > > > > > > > > of view.They keep silent and donot want to precipitate > > matters by > > > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > sides.Unless we respect other member's point of view so > > called > > > > > > > > discussion becomes argument and then fight!!!which goes on > > and > > > > > > > > on....where TRUTH hides.......!!! > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > gopi > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this and also on your natal chart > > analysis. > > > > > > > Wait! > > > > > > > > Let me see what other members have to say. And who is > > equating KP > > > > > with > > > > > > > > D-charts? It is you. Who is talking of study only D-charts > > without > > > > > > > > natal? It is you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My emphasis is to study divisions along with natal chart. > > > > > Division > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > be studied in the form of D-chart or Amsas (What Sreenadhji > > does). > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > has its own divisions in the form of Sub/ Sub-sub and does > > not > > > > > need > > > > > > > > D-charts or Amsas. If you can not understand this, I can not > > help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the > > > > > Experts > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to > > the > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny > > > > > predict > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing > > but > > > > > use > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional > > > > > astrology. So > > > > > > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts > > make > > > > > > > utterly > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal > > Chart. It > > > > > just > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one > > equate it > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying > > always > > > > > to > > > > > > > > show > > > > > > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP > > just > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ephasise > > > > > > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know > > is > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for > > future > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish > > Groups. > > > > > Show > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting > > for the > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very > > important > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail .. If > > this > > > > > is > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these > > Groups > > > > > are > > > > > > > > failures > > > > > > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a > > digestable > > > > > view > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot > > be > > > > > > > confirmed > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and > > Rahu > > > > > show > > > > > > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms > > technical > > > > > > > > studies > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but > > we > > > > > need > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as > > well but > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply > > KP > > > > > along > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people > > follow > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but > > what > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > learning, > > > > > > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal > > education. > > > > > Both > > > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or > > not to > > > > > get > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and > > intelligence is > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > > > > > > > significances of > > > > > > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and > > has > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting > > results > > > > > from > > > > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. > > Well > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in > > Jupiter > > > > > period. > > > > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter > > aspecing Sa > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house > > and 5th > > > > > is > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > till > > > > > > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. > > Anyway, > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he > > take. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect > > and > > > > > that > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not > > directly > > > > > linked > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how > > is it > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords > > getting > > > > > > > > connected > > > > > > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the > > quality of > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth > > and > > > > > eighth > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is > > > > > currently > > > > > > > > running > > > > > > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read > > your > > > > > name, it > > > > > > > > > > reminds > > > > > > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in > > eighth > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect > > and > > > > > that > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not > > directly > > > > > linked > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in > > ninth > > > > > with > > > > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is > > fifth and > > > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from > > it. > > > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his > > education, > > > > > then i > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that > > mail with > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was > > > > > continuous > > > > > > > > till > > > > > > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in > > eighth > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in > > ninth > > > > > with > > > > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth > > and > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his > > education, > > > > > then > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that > > mail > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth > > lord > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by > > Jupiter.From > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting > > this > > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth > > house from > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these > > three > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house > > lords.Education > > > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical > > education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth > > house, > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from > > lagna. > > > > > But > > > > > > > > Moon in > > > > > > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give > > some > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told > > you Dasa > > > > > > > > starts > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu > > and > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his > > career. > > > > > Rahus > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, > > he > > > > > could > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to > > sit > > > > > for > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas > > can give > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon > > as > > > > > > > written > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial > > period > > > > > may > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly > > get into > > > > > > > > technical > > > > > > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by > > Jupiter.From > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting > > this > > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth > > house from > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these > > three > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. > > > > > Education > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, > > Balance > > > > > dasha > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha > > to > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > direct > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own > > sign, > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > in > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his > > career. > > > > > Rahus > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, > > he > > > > > could > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to > > sit > > > > > for > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas > > can give > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu > > and > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial > > period > > > > > may > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly > > get into > > > > > > > > technical > > > > > > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you > > write a > > > > > long > > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it > > already has > > > > > its > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but > > planetary > > > > > details > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where > > ASC is > > > > > > > middle > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as > > Rasi > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot > > understand > > > > > what > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot > > notice any > > > > > > > event > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot > > notice > > > > > it, > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the > > necessity > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice > > that > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or > > > > > others > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time > > > > > reasoning > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many > > have > > > > > other > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does > > not > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their > > aversions > > > > > to > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they > > already > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about > > predictions > > > > > through > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the > > same, > > > > > so > > > > > > > > that we > > > > > > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > > dish > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not > > mean, > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also > > cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ> > 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with > > finding > > > > > the > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to > > identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex > > axeplex@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > astrology] Re: > > > > > > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, > > 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ> > 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I > > would > > > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, > > it > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not > > matter > > > > > to > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not > > prediction > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the > > latest > > > > > " Factors > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there > > where > > > > > D-12 > > > > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like > > the > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is > > having > > > > > a > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you > > make > > > > > him. > > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has > > already > > > > > > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the > > D > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in > > this > > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used > > traditional > > > > > and > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single > > prediction > > > > > from > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions > > using > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made > > through > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and > > please now > > > > > put > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... > > by way > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me > > 3 > > > > > > > Examples > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes > > but > > > > > serve > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > food > > > > > > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if > > there > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to > > > > > confirm > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm > > D > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in > > affirmations. > > > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is > > no > > > > > > > > confirmation > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must > > look > > > > > into > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. > > But > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect > > apart. I > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, > > which > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies > > involved > > > > > in > > > > > > > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not > > > > > necessary to > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In > > fact it > > > > > is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to > > predict > > > > > well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would > > like to > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has > > > > > divisions > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our > > Traditional > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births > > within > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? > > What is > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that > > can > > > > > divide > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example > > where > > > > > one > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so > > from > > > > > the D > > > > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May > > be, I > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to > > confirm > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D > > Charts. > > > > > In > > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must > > look > > > > > into > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. > > But > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP > > if you > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the > > Shastras, > > > > > which > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies > > involved > > > > > in > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, > > if > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > predicts > > > > > > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is > > illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not > > necessary > > > > > to > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In > > fact it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to > > predict > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to > > logic, one > > > > > can > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have > > been a > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet > > > > > placements > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day > > also. > > > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our > > Traditional > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > window. > > > > > > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the > > Navamsha > > > > > meant > > > > > > > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example > > where > > > > > one > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so > > from > > > > > the D > > > > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an > > > > > illustration > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal > > and > > > > > D-charts > > > > > > > > shall > > > > > > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read > > D-chart > > > > > can > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > D-1 > > > > > > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many > > people > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not > > saying > > > > > they > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are > > also > > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore > > D-chart. > > > > > Let > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at > > least 1000 > > > > > to > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC > > > > > window > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without > > looking at > > > > > > > D-24, > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and > > is > > > > > > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or > > > > > Amsas, it > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology > > few > > > > > days > > > > > > > > back. > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of > > Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we > > need to > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in > > > > > Shastras. > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child > > > > > without > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot > > become > > > > > adept > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the > > Natal > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without > > passing > > > > > the > > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after > > the > > > > > > > > children is > > > > > > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am > > sure > > > > > all > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + > > D > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without > > using > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is > > what your > > > > > > > > goodself > > > > > > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference > > of > > > > > approach > > > > > > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach > > which > > > > > one > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices > > in the > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from > > the > > > > > > > sapthamsa > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal > > Chart, > > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no > > study of > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come > > without a > > > > > > > > Father. > > > > > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D > > Charts) > > > > > home > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you > > will > > > > > first > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to > > marry your > > > > > son > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart > > with > > > > > > > > confirmations > > > > > > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even > > thinking of > > > > > > > > searching > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is > > also > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart > > is not > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and > > consideration > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve > > which > > > > > I > > > > > > > > shot. > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects > > in D > > > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue > > about > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > ago, > > > > > > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in > > this > > > > > process > > > > > > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But > > this time > > > > > I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. > > Like to > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next > > > > > match...This > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually > > bother > > > > > > > > searching > > > > > > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one > > book > > > > > and > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not > > want to > > > > > > > > encourage > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in > > D > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an > > event in > > > > > > > > advance. > > > > > > > > > > SO > > > > > > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy > > for > > > > > them > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much > > adept > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even > > without a > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. > > I am > > > > > not > > > > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is > > a > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the > > small > > > > > group > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect > > parts > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my > > last > > > > > mail > > > > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not > > exist. I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before > > making > > > > > > > > comments > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I > > make > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such > > > > > matters > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, > > where > > > > > can > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > show > > > > > > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be > > seen in > > > > > the > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and > > not > > > > > abour > > > > > > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring > > in KP > > > > > in > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > wil, > > > > > start > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, > > or > > > > > Crystal > > > > > > > > balls > > > > > > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > > > > > > predictions, > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But > > who is > > > > > > > > negating > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying > > so. So > > > > > > > > wheres > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of > > KP Subs > > > > > and > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the > > > > > antras of > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient > > shastras > > > > > > > talk > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, > > some > > > > > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone > > uses > > > > > Amsas > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > > > > > > identifying > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience > > e.g. > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the > > other > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and > > read > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these > > Amsas, > > > > > virtual > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to > > > > > predict > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but > > for > > > > > blind > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear > > Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for > > > > > postmartem > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri > > > > > Santhanam, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one > > will > > > > > never > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > Charts, > > > > > in > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the > > relevant > > > > > > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, > > Shri BV > > > > > raman > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even > > Navamsha > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, > > just > > > > > the > > > > > > > > points > > > > > > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what > > I can > > > > > > > > recall as > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal > > view > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are > > not many > > > > > who > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of > > aspects > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each > > his > > > > > own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not > > matter > > > > > even > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to > > give > > > > > > > correct > > > > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and > > best > > > > > > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! > > See > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! > > See > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Sorry, I should've said bandwidth!:-)RegardsNeelamOn 13 February 2010 16:43, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: Dear All, Let us close this discussion which is leading us no where, even though the google bandwidth is free, our time is precious!I request everyone to share their views on the two charts and give us some demonstrable techniques to find the differences. Dev ji, even if you do not know me or trust me, try giving your logical analysis for everyone to learn from it. We all learn like that, even from others' mistakes (in this case my wrong data, if at all)! RegardsNeelamLet us rise On 13 February 2010 16:26, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:  Dear Moderator, Though I have apologised even though there was no personal remark amde, yet let me clarify my stand. I have used a " Muhaavra " (Idiom) and not made any personal remark. None of us goes toponds to have dips and neither do I go to the ocean to have my bath. This is understood. About " nakal mein bhi akkal " , I used again another muhavraa just to show that what I meant for him could not be reepated for our Dear Neelamji. But after the apology he should have no issues now and show us how D-24 is to be checked. regards, Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Dear moderator, > > Please ask group members to refrain from making personal remarks. I never make any such remarks. > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > I have never copied anyone. You think twice before what you speak. > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > Vijay maalya if he wears white shoes, and i also wear the same, does not > > make me Vijay mallya. If gautam Singhania goes to a particular disco > > which I too visit , does not make me equal to his ranks. > > > > Nakal mein bhi akkal ki jaroorat hai. > > > > Neelamji has proved herself through hundreds and thousands of > > predictions on this Group and others , and participated in thousands of > > discussions and has been allowed to write even on Shri KN Raos Website. > > Plus she has many other qualifications to her credit which I cannot > > disclose without her permission. > > > > When she speaks, there is some weight coming in those words. A faith in > > her justice, the faith in the data she puts up, the knowledge of > > security being connected to her postings. > > > > Where have we seen a single display of analysis on Your part, to know > > You . > > > > And it is You who has been speaking much on D Charts. So now why not > > get down to actually practising what You have preached ? > > > > By the way Neelamji is one of the respected Moderators hereon this > > Group. She is well known to many of us. Just forget her address or > > contact numbers etc. and get down to analysing the D charts of the birth > > data given by neelamji and please give the professions of both the > > natives. > > > > Thank You. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Neelamji and all, > > > > > > Now why shall I participate in chart put by Neelamji. I don't know > > her, her contact address, her details. And what is the authenticity of > > the data she has put. > > > > > > //I am just repeating what Bhaskarji put// > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dev Ji and all, > > > > > > > > Let us get on to the practical side of astrology. I have posted two > > charts > > > > from an authentic source. > > > > Please feel free to discuss the charts so that everyone would have > > some > > > > hands-on experience of reading the charts > > > > Sonia ji has done a wonderful job on the data given by you. > > Similarly, I > > > > invite comments on the two charts, specially on the profession. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 February 2010 15:25, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > I will not participate for each and every chart put up here, by a > > person > > > > > whom I do not know personally, or otherwise through name, contact, > > > > > address, and secondly I would never comment on a chart from such a > > > > > person whom I do not know, when I am not sure about the > > authenticity of > > > > > a chart. I am not here to appear for tests, as and when somebody > > wants > > > > > me to. Rather you should have been participating in the charts put > > up on > > > > > the Groups regularly with your explanations of D Charts if you > > feel they > > > > > are so important. > > > > > > > > > > It is the other way round. Only those who can read the Natal Chart > > well, > > > > > would be able to read the D Charts, otherwise not. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no hiding. Hiding is when someone puts a chart and runs > > away. > > > > > It is you who did not participate after chart was put. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Yes, it is true. One who can read D-chart, can very well read > > natal > > > > > chart. Basic fundas are same. > > > > > > 2)I never said so. I said, if D-charts are used, failure rate > > reduces > > > > > significantly while with natal chart only, it would be higher. The > > day > > > > > we can say " never fail " , Astrology would be accepted by all > > scientists > > > > > in the world. > > > > > > 3)I never made any statement against KP and its efficacy. And > > why > > > > > shall I? Unless and until I eat an apple, why shall I say, it is > > rotten > > > > > or sweet? I only said, it has its own divisions, so does not need > > > > > D-chart or Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting but against some categorical statements > > which have > > > > > > > been made by Shri Dev ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Those who can read D charts can read the Natal Charts > > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) One can fail by just reading the Natal Charts, but if one > > reads > > > > > the D > > > > > > > charts one will never fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will ignore the resentment against KP, but how can one > > justify and > > > > > > > accept the above statements as true ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what does my views matter ? Why not bring in the expertise > > of > > > > > D-24 > > > > > > > Charts now in display? Whos stopping this ? Why not show the > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > from D-24 now, whether Bhaskar agrees or not to the above > > > > > statements, > > > > > > > how is it connected ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will advise that people forget Bhaskar for the time being, > > and all > > > > > > > eugolising and propogation of the importance of D Charts done > > by the > > > > > > > members in question, must now be put in a practical show of > > display, > > > > > > > rather than searching for excuses to avoid this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,and Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > // Let me see what other members have to say.// > > > > > > > > what do they say?When 2members are not understanding each > > others > > > > > point > > > > > > > > of view.They keep silent and donot want to precipitate > > matters by > > > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > sides.Unless we respect other member's point of view so > > called > > > > > > > > discussion becomes argument and then fight!!!which goes on > > and > > > > > > > > on....where TRUTH hides.......!!! > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > gopi > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this and also on your natal chart > > analysis. > > > > > > > Wait! > > > > > > > > Let me see what other members have to say. And who is > > equating KP > > > > > with > > > > > > > > D-charts? It is you. Who is talking of study only D-charts > > without > > > > > > > > natal? It is you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My emphasis is to study divisions along with natal chart. > > > > > Division > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > be studied in the form of D-chart or Amsas (What Sreenadhji > > does). > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > has its own divisions in the form of Sub/ Sub-sub and does > > not > > > > > need > > > > > > > > D-charts or Amsas. If you can not understand this, I can not > > help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the > > > > > Experts > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to > > the > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny > > > > > predict > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing > > but > > > > > use > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional > > > > > astrology. So > > > > > > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts > > make > > > > > > > utterly > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal > > Chart. It > > > > > just > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one > > equate it > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying > > always > > > > > to > > > > > > > > show > > > > > > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP > > just > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ephasise > > > > > > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know > > is > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for > > future > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish > > Groups. > > > > > Show > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting > > for the > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very > > important > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail .. If > > this > > > > > is > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these > > Groups > > > > > are > > > > > > > > failures > > > > > > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a > > digestable > > > > > view > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot > > be > > > > > > > confirmed > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and > > Rahu > > > > > show > > > > > > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms > > technical > > > > > > > > studies > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but > > we > > > > > need > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as > > well but > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply > > KP > > > > > along > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people > > follow > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but > > what > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > learning, > > > > > > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal > > education. > > > > > Both > > > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or > > not to > > > > > get > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and > > intelligence is > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > > > > > > > significances of > > > > > > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and > > has > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting > > results > > > > > from > > > > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. > > Well > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > <%40yaho\ \ > > ogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in > > Jupiter > > > > > period. > > > > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter > > aspecing Sa > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house > > and 5th > > > > > is > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > till > > > > > > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. > > Anyway, > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he > > take. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect > > and > > > > > that > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not > > directly > > > > > linked > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how > > is it > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords > > getting > > > > > > > > connected > > > > > > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the > > quality of > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth > > and > > > > > eighth > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is > > > > > currently > > > > > > > > running > > > > > > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read > > your > > > > > name, it > > > > > > > > > > reminds > > > > > > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in > > eighth > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect > > and > > > > > that > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not > > directly > > > > > linked > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in > > ninth > > > > > with > > > > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is > > fifth and > > > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from > > it. > > > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his > > education, > > > > > then i > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that > > mail with > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was > > > > > continuous > > > > > > > > till > > > > > > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in > > eighth > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in > > ninth > > > > > with > > > > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth > > and > > > > > sixth > > > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his > > education, > > > > > then > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that > > mail > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth > > lord > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by > > Jupiter.From > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting > > this > > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth > > house from > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these > > three > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house > > lords.Education > > > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical > > education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth > > house, > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from > > lagna. > > > > > But > > > > > > > > Moon in > > > > > > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give > > some > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told > > you Dasa > > > > > > > > starts > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu > > and > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his > > career. > > > > > Rahus > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, > > he > > > > > could > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to > > sit > > > > > for > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas > > can give > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon > > as > > > > > > > written > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial > > period > > > > > may > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly > > get into > > > > > > > > technical > > > > > > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by > > Jupiter.From > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > sign, > > > > > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > > > > > > debilitated, > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting > > this > > > > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth > > house from > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these > > three > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. > > > > > Education > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, > > Balance > > > > > dasha > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha > > to > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > direct > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own > > sign, > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > in > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his > > career. > > > > > Rahus > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, > > he > > > > > could > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to > > sit > > > > > for > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas > > can give > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu > > and > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial > > period > > > > > may > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly > > get into > > > > > > > > technical > > > > > > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you > > write a > > > > > long > > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it > > already has > > > > > its > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but > > planetary > > > > > details > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where > > ASC is > > > > > > > middle > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as > > Rasi > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot > > understand > > > > > what > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot > > notice any > > > > > > > event > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot > > notice > > > > > it, > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the > > necessity > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice > > that > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or > > > > > others > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time > > > > > reasoning > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many > > have > > > > > other > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does > > not > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their > > aversions > > > > > to > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they > > already > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about > > predictions > > > > > through > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the > > same, > > > > > so > > > > > > > > that we > > > > > > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > > dish > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not > > mean, > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also > > cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ> > 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with > > finding > > > > > the > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to > > identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex > > axeplex@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > astrology] Re: > > > > > > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, > > 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ> > 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I > > would > > > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, > > it > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not > > matter > > > > > to > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not > > prediction > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the > > latest > > > > > " Factors > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there > > where > > > > > D-12 > > > > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like > > the > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is > > having > > > > > a > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you > > make > > > > > him. > > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has > > already > > > > > > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the > > D > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in > > this > > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used > > traditional > > > > > and > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single > > prediction > > > > > from > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions > > using > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made > > through > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and > > please now > > > > > put > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... > > by way > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me > > 3 > > > > > > > Examples > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes > > but > > > > > serve > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > food > > > > > > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if > > there > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to > > > > > confirm > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm > > D > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in > > affirmations. > > > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is > > no > > > > > > > > confirmation > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must > > look > > > > > into > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. > > But > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect > > apart. I > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, > > which > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies > > involved > > > > > in > > > > > > > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not > > > > > necessary to > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In > > fact it > > > > > is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to > > predict > > > > > well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would > > like to > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has > > > > > divisions > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our > > Traditional > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births > > within > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? > > What is > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that > > can > > > > > divide > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example > > where > > > > > one > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so > > from > > > > > the D > > > > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May > > be, I > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to > > confirm > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D > > Charts. > > > > > In > > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must > > look > > > > > into > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. > > But > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP > > if you > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the > > Shastras, > > > > > which > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies > > involved > > > > > in > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, > > if > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > predicts > > > > > > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is > > illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not > > necessary > > > > > to > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In > > fact it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to > > predict > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to > > logic, one > > > > > can > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have > > been a > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet > > > > > placements > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day > > also. > > > > > // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our > > Traditional > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > window. > > > > > > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the > > Navamsha > > > > > meant > > > > > > > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example > > where > > > > > one > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so > > from > > > > > the D > > > > > > > 24 > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an > > > > > illustration > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal > > and > > > > > D-charts > > > > > > > > shall > > > > > > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read > > D-chart > > > > > can > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > D-1 > > > > > > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many > > people > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not > > saying > > > > > they > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are > > also > > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore > > D-chart. > > > > > Let > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at > > least 1000 > > > > > to > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC > > > > > window > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without > > looking at > > > > > > > D-24, > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and > > is > > > > > > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or > > > > > Amsas, it > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology > > few > > > > > days > > > > > > > > back. > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of > > Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we > > need to > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in > > > > > Shastras. > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child > > > > > without > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot > > become > > > > > adept > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the > > Natal > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without > > passing > > > > > the > > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after > > the > > > > > > > > children is > > > > > > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am > > sure > > > > > all > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + > > D > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without > > using > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is > > what your > > > > > > > > goodself > > > > > > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference > > of > > > > > approach > > > > > > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach > > which > > > > > one > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices > > in the > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from > > the > > > > > > > sapthamsa > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal > > Chart, > > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no > > study of > > > > > the D > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come > > without a > > > > > > > > Father. > > > > > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D > > Charts) > > > > > home > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you > > will > > > > > first > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to > > marry your > > > > > son > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart > > with > > > > > > > > confirmations > > > > > > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even > > thinking of > > > > > > > > searching > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is > > also > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart > > is not > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and > > consideration > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve > > which > > > > > I > > > > > > > > shot. > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects > > in D > > > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue > > about > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > > > ago, > > > > > > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in > > this > > > > > process > > > > > > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But > > this time > > > > > I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. > > Like to > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next > > > > > match...This > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually > > bother > > > > > > > > searching > > > > > > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one > > book > > > > > and > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not > > want to > > > > > > > > encourage > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in > > D > > > > > Charts. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an > > event in > > > > > > > > advance. > > > > > > > > > > SO > > > > > > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy > > for > > > > > them > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much > > adept > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even > > without a > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. > > I am > > > > > not > > > > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is > > a > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the > > small > > > > > group > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect > > parts > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my > > last > > > > > mail > > > > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not > > exist. I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before > > making > > > > > > > > comments > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I > > make > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such > > > > > matters > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, > > where > > > > > can > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > show > > > > > > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be > > seen in > > > > > the > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and > > not > > > > > abour > > > > > > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring > > in KP > > > > > in > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > wil, > > > > > start > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, > > or > > > > > Crystal > > > > > > > > balls > > > > > > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > > > > > > predictions, > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But > > who is > > > > > > > > negating > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying > > so. So > > > > > > > > wheres > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of > > KP Subs > > > > > and > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the > > > > > antras of > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient > > shastras > > > > > > > talk > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, > > some > > > > > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone > > uses > > > > > Amsas > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > > > > > > identifying > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience > > e.g. > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the > > other > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and > > read > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these > > Amsas, > > > > > virtual > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to > > > > > predict > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but > > for > > > > > blind > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear > > Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for > > > > > postmartem > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri > > > > > Santhanam, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one > > will > > > > > never > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > Charts, > > > > > in > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the > > relevant > > > > > > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, > > Shri BV > > > > > raman > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even > > Navamsha > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, > > just > > > > > the > > > > > > > > points > > > > > > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what > > I can > > > > > > > > recall as > > > > > > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal > > view > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are > > not many > > > > > who > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of > > aspects > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each > > his > > > > > own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not > > matter > > > > > even > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to > > give > > > > > > > correct > > > > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and > > best > > > > > > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 I invite Dear Siva ji to now clearly show what professions the D-24 charts in the natives of the birth details given by Neelamji shows. Of course we are awaiting the inputs from Shri Dev Sahab. best wishes,Bhaskar. , " siva " <sarasalai_siva wrote: > > || om namo narayana || > > Namaskar list, > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ). > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th sign cancer. > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > siva > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > Charts ? > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > > thought ? > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > > from > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies > > and > > > inclinations. > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > > other > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > before > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and > > 2nd > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > learning, > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > , Sonia Mehdiratta > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > exactly > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > discussed > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for > > the > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope > > it > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > members > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > 2nd > > > house, > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > houses > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > reminds > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > 2nd > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > lord. > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > lord > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > will > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > nakshatra > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > placed > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > but > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > has > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > > from > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > > be > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > lord > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > change > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > placed > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > but > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > has > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > > be > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > > be > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > > be > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > > to > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > lord > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > change > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > > I > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > > that > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > > from > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > > also > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > > the > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > about. > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > > from > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > vegetable > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > > come > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > > have > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > strongly > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > > family > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > suspected. > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > > where > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > > food > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > fact > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > > in > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > between > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > > wrote > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > > does > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > Navamsha > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > > learn > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > > seen > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > > it > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > between > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > well, > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > have > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > predicts > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > > at > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > > how > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > > group > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > > take > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > > be > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > > to > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > > what > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > > chart > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > Charts > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > > So > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > > it. > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > different > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > > have > > > already > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > > ago, > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > rummaged > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > > sides > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > > it > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > > want > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > > SO > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > > chart > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > D-charts, > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > properly. > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > > on > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > > show > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > > this > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > > the > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > indications > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > keyboard > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > charts, > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > > one > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Namaste Dev ji I concur with you that Higher Education certainly has to be seen by 9th Hse/Lord though personally prefer using 5th Hse for Education as opposed from 4th Hse ……. Just wondering whether only Mars in 9th Hse of D24 signifies Engineering OR whether you feel there are other combinations as well? Best wishes …. Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of axeplex 13 February 2010 09:49 Subject: Re: SRILANKA Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I revealed the details. //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This is new thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment it in some charts before I can comment on this. You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also in 9th in D-24. regds Dev , " siva " <sarasalai_siva wrote: > > || om namo narayana || > > Namaskar list, > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ). > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th sign cancer. > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > siva > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > Charts ? > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > > thought ? > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > > from > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies > > and > > > inclinations. > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > > other > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > before > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and > > 2nd > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > learning, > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > , Sonia Mehdiratta > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > exactly > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > discussed > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for > > the > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope > > it > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > members > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > 2nd > > > house, > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > houses > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > reminds > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > 2nd > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > lord. > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > lord > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > will > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > nakshatra > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > placed > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > but > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > has > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > > from > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > > be > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > lord > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > change > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > placed > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > but > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > has > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > > be > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > > be > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > > be > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > > to > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > lord > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > change > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > > I > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > > that > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > > from > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > > also > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > > the > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > about. > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > > from > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > vegetable > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing ..or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > > come > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > > have > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > strongly > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > > family > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > suspected. > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > > where > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > > food > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > fact > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > > in > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > between > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > > wrote > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > > does > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > Navamsha > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > > learn > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > > seen > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > > it > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > between > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > well, > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > have > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > predicts > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > > at > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > > how > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > > group > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > > take > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > > be > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > > to > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > > what > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > > chart > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > Charts > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > > So > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > > it. > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > different > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > > have > > > already > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > > ago, > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > rummaged > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > > sides > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > > it > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > > want > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > > SO > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > > chart > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > D-charts, > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > properly. > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > > on > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > > show > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > > this > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > > the > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > indications > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > keyboard > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > charts, > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > > one > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 By the way, was just wondering whether the D-24 is to be studied for Education ???? Or for Siddhis ? Shouldnt in that case D-20 be looked for ? Or for Worship, Pooja and meditations ? Or shouldnt the D-10 be looked for which will show the actual manifestation of the education in work ? Or the other way round to confirm the Education ? I am a bit of confused. My suspicions and uncertainity will only be alleviated now, when Shri Dev Sahab, and Shri Siva Sahab will give their prediction on the Profession of both the natives by explaining from the D-24 Chart. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Dev ji > > I concur with you that Higher Education certainly has to be seen by 9th Hse/Lord though personally prefer using 5th Hse for Education as opposed from 4th Hse ……. > > Just wondering whether only Mars in 9th Hse of D24 signifies Engineering OR whether you feel there are other combinations as well? > > Best wishes …. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > On Behalf Of axeplex > 13 February 2010 09:49 > > Re: SRILANKA > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I revealed the details. > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This is new thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also in 9th in D-24. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " siva " sarasalai_siva@ wrote: > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ). > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th sign cancer. > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > siva > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > Charts ? > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > > > thought ? > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > > > from > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies > > > and > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > > > other > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > before > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and > > > 2nd > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > learning, > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , Sonia Mehdiratta > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > exactly > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > discussed > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for > > > the > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope > > > it > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > members > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > > 2nd > > > > house, > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > houses > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > reminds > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > > 2nd > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > > lord. > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > lord > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > > will > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > nakshatra > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > placed > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > > but > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > > has > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > > > from > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > > > be > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > lord > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > change > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > placed > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > > but > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > > has > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > > > be > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > > > be > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > > > be > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > > > to > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > lord > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > change > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > > > I > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > > > that > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > > > from > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > > > also > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > > > the > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > about. > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > > > from > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > vegetable > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > > > come > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > > > have > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > strongly > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > > > family > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > suspected. > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > > > where > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > > > food > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > > fact > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > > > in > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > > > wrote > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > > > does > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > Navamsha > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > > > learn > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > > > seen > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > > > it > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > well, > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > > have > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > predicts > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > > > at > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > > > how > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > > > group > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > > > take > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > > > be > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > > > to > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > > > what > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > > > chart > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > Charts > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > > > So > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > > > it. > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > different > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > > > have > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > > > ago, > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > rummaged > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > > > sides > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > > > it > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > > > want > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > > > SO > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > > > chart > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > D-charts, > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > properly. > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > > > on > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > > > show > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > > > this > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > > > the > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > indications > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > keyboard > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > charts, > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > > > one > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear All,There are two important but separate issues. One is education and the other is profession. One may be educated in one line and pursue a career in the same or connected line. Or, one may earn a degree in some subject and take a turn to earn a living in another. On how to check education there are varying views and a very clear north-south divide. Anyhow, the logic that I have been taught and I follow is this:2H: Education at home or early kindergarten education where it is more like imparting of values and traditions. 4H: Formal education at school and college which one pursues as a routine through the system available to him/her.5H: Education by personal choice and training. 5H is house of vivek and budhhi. When one eapplied his own buddhi and vivek to choose a subject, it is 5H. That is why the courses chosen for professional careers fall in this house. 5H also includes all kinds of trainings and self learning. 9H: This is for higher education but more oriented towards wisdom than learning or education. That is why study of religious texts, philosophy, astrology, research, etc would come under 9H.All other houses, whenever involved with these houses through placements or dashas and antars would give their significations to the subject studied or job aquired. Bhaskar ji has listed some results of 8H when it gets involved with houses of education/profession. There may be many more as we have unlimited options in both education and profession available these days. List is almost endless and would also depend on desh-kaal-patra. For profession, 10H is primarily important, but since profession must bring money and involves day-to-day work, we have 2 and 6 getting involved with it. Through dashas and placement of planets in the houses involved, we can find the linkage between education and profession. I am just sharing what I have learnt. They can be readily applied on the charts for quick judgement.Hope this helps. Those who do not agree plesae feel free to ignore!RegardsNeelam On 13 February 2010 17:31, Ram Jaswal <rkjaswal wrote:  Namaste Dev ji  I concur with you that Higher Education certainly has to be seen by 9th Hse/Lord though personally prefer using 5th Hse for Education as opposed from 4th Hse …….  Just wondering whether only Mars in 9th Hse of D24 signifies Engineering OR whether you feel there are other combinations as well?  Best wishes ….  Jai Sita Ram  Ram  On Behalf Of axeplex 13 February 2010 09:49 Subject: Re: SRILANKA   Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I revealed the details. //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This is new thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment it in some charts before I can comment on this. You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also in 9th in D-24. regds Dev , " siva " <sarasalai_siva wrote: > > || om namo narayana || > > Namaskar list, > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ). > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th sign cancer. > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > siva > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > Charts ? > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > > thought ? > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > > from > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies > > and > > > inclinations. > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > > other > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > before > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and > > 2nd > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > learning, > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > , Sonia Mehdiratta > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > exactly > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > discussed > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for > > the > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope > > it > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > members > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > 2nd > > > house, > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > houses > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > reminds > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > 2nd > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > lord. > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > lord > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > will > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > nakshatra > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > placed > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > but > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > has > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > > from > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > > be > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > lord > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > change > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > placed > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > but > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > has > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > > be > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > > be > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > > be > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > > to > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > lord > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > change > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > > I > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > > that > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > > from > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > > also > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > > the > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > about. > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > > from > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > vegetable > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing ..or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > > come > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > > have > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > strongly > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > > family > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > suspected. > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > > where > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > > food > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > fact > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > > in > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > between > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > > wrote > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > > does > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > Navamsha > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > > learn > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > > seen > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > > it > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > between > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > well, > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > have > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > predicts > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > > at > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > > how > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > > group > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > > take > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > > be > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > > to > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > > what > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > > chart > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > Charts > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > > So > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > > it. > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > different > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > > have > > > already > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > > ago, > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > rummaged > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > > sides > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > > it > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > > want > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > > SO > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > > chart > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > D-charts, > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > properly. > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > > on > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > > show > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > > this > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > > the > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > indications > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > keyboard > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > charts, > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > > one > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Hi Ramji, Thanks for concurrence. I have already written a set of group prefers 5th house for basic. It is with what you are comfortable. To me, both 4th and 5th are important. Without 5th (learning), 4th (education can not come. Apart from Mars, I have found Ra, Me. regds Dev , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Dev ji > > I concur with you that Higher Education certainly has to be seen by 9th Hse/Lord though personally prefer using 5th Hse for Education as opposed from 4th Hse ……. > > Just wondering whether only Mars in 9th Hse of D24 signifies Engineering OR whether you feel there are other combinations as well? > > Best wishes …. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > On Behalf Of axeplex > 13 February 2010 09:49 > > Re: SRILANKA > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I revealed the details. > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This is new thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also in 9th in D-24. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " siva " <sarasalai_siva@> wrote: > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ). > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th sign cancer. > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > siva > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > Charts ? > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > > > thought ? > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > > > from > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies > > > and > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > > > other > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > before > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and > > > 2nd > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > learning, > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , Sonia Mehdiratta > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > exactly > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > discussed > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for > > > the > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope > > > it > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > members > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > > 2nd > > > > house, > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > houses > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > reminds > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > > 2nd > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > > lord. > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > lord > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > > will > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > nakshatra > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > placed > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > > but > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > > has > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > > > from > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > > > be > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > lord > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > change > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > placed > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > > but > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > > has > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > > > be > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > > > be > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > > > be > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > > > to > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > lord > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > change > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > > > I > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > > > that > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > > > from > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > > > also > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > > > the > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > about. > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > > > from > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > vegetable > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > > > come > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > > > have > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > strongly > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > > > family > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > suspected. > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > > > where > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > > > food > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > > fact > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > > > in > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > > > wrote > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > > > does > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > Navamsha > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > > > learn > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > > > seen > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > > > it > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > well, > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > > have > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > predicts > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > > > at > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > > > how > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > > > group > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > > > take > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > > > be > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > > > to > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > > > what > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > > > chart > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > Charts > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > > > So > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > > > it. > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > different > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > > > have > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > > > ago, > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > rummaged > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > > > sides > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > > > it > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > > > want > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > > > SO > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > > > chart > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > D-charts, > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > properly. > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > > > on > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > > > show > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > > > this > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > > > the > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > indications > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > keyboard > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > charts, > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > > > one > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Namaste Bhaskarji Very good questions ….. Per Sage Parasara : Rasi – D1 – Physical existence Hora – D2 – Wealth Drekkana – D3 – Happiness through co-borns Chaturthamsa – D4 – Fortunes, residence, properties Panchamsa – D5 – Fame, authority Shashthamsa – D6 – Health troubles Saptamsa – D7 – Children, grandchildren Ashtamsa – D8 – Sudden unexpected problems, litigations Navamsa – D9 – spouse, partners, inner self Dasamsa – D10 – career, position & achievements in society Rudramsa – D11 – Death and destruction Dwadasamsa – D12 – parents, blood relatives of parents Shodasamsa – D16 – happiness/un-happiness from conveyances Vimsamsa – D20 – religious/spiritual activities Chaturvimsamsa – D24 – Learning, knowledge and education Nakshatramsa – D27 – inherent nature, strengths and weaknesses Trimsamsa – D30 – evils and punishments, sub-conscious self Khavedamsa – D40 – Auspicious and inauspicious events Akshavedamsa – D45 – All matters Shashtyamsa – D60 - All matters, past life Karma Hope this helps? Best wishes …. Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Bhaskar 13 February 2010 12:22 Subject: Re: SRILANKA By the way, was just wondering whether the D-24 is to be studied for Education ???? Or for Siddhis ? Shouldnt in that case D-20 be looked for ? Or for Worship, Pooja and meditations ? Or shouldnt the D-10 be looked for which will show the actual manifestation of the education in work ? Or the other way round to confirm the Education ? I am a bit of confused. My suspicions and uncertainity will only be alleviated now, when Shri Dev Sahab, and Shri Siva Sahab will give their prediction on the Profession of both the natives by explaining from the D-24 Chart. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Dev ji > > I concur with you that Higher Education certainly has to be seen by 9th Hse/Lord though personally prefer using 5th Hse for Education as opposed from 4th Hse ……. > > Just wondering whether only Mars in 9th Hse of D24 signifies Engineering OR whether you feel there are other combinations as well? > > Best wishes …. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > On Behalf Of axeplex > 13 February 2010 09:49 > > Re: SRILANKA > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I revealed the details. > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This is new thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also in 9th in D-24. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " siva " sarasalai_siva@ wrote: > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ). > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th sign cancer. > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > siva > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > Charts ? > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > > > thought ? > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > > > from > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies > > > and > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > > > other > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > before > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and > > > 2nd > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > learning, > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , Sonia Mehdiratta > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > exactly > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > discussed > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for > > > the > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope > > > it > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > members > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > > 2nd > > > > house, > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > houses > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > reminds > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > > 2nd > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > > lord. > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > lord > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > > will > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > nakshatra > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > placed > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > > but > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > > has > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > > > from > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > > > be > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > lord > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > change > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > placed > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > > but > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > > has > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > > > be > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > > > be > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > > > be > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > > > to > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > lord > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > change > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > > > I > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > > > that > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > > > from > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > > > also > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > > > the > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > about. > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > > > from > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > vegetable > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > > > come > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > > > have > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > strongly > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > > > family > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > suspected. > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > > > where > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > > > food > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > > fact > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > > > in > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > > > wrote > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > > > does > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > Navamsha > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > > > learn > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > > > seen > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > > > it > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > well, > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > > have > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > predicts > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > > > at > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > > > how > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > > > group > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > > > take > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > > > be > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > > > to > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > > > what > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > > > chart > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > Charts > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > > > So > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > > > it. > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > different > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > > > have > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > > > ago, > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > rummaged > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > > > sides > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > > > it > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > > > want > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > > > SO > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > > > chart > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > D-charts, > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > properly. > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > > > on > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > > > show > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > > > this > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > > > the > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > indications > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > keyboard > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > charts, > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > > > one > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Namaste Devji Thanks for the reply and Yes as you say each to there own (?) ….. Again for Engineering are you solely looking at 9th Hse placements in D24 OR do you consider aspects as well?  Also out of interest How have you related Mer to Engineering? Thanks and best wishes …. Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of axeplex 13 February 2010 12:48 Subject: Re: SRILANKA Hi Ramji, Thanks for concurrence. I have already written a set of group prefers 5th house for basic. It is with what you are comfortable. To me, both 4th and 5th are important. Without 5th (learning), 4th (education can not come. Apart from Mars, I have found Ra, Me. regds Dev , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Dev ji > > I concur with you that Higher Education certainly has to be seen by 9th Hse/Lord though personally prefer using 5th Hse for Education as opposed from 4th Hse ……. > > Just wondering whether only Mars in 9th Hse of D24 signifies Engineering OR whether you feel there are other combinations as well? > > Best wishes …. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > On Behalf Of axeplex > 13 February 2010 09:49 > > Re: SRILANKA > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I revealed the details. > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This is new thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also in 9th in D-24. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " siva " <sarasalai_siva@> wrote: > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ). > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th sign cancer. > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > siva > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > Charts ? > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > > > thought ? > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > > > from > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies > > > and > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > > > other > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > before > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and > > > 2nd > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > learning, > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , Sonia Mehdiratta > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > exactly > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > discussed > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for > > > the > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope > > > it > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > members > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > > 2nd > > > > house, > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > houses > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > reminds > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > > 2nd > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > > lord. > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > lord > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > > will > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > nakshatra > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > placed > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > > but > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > > has > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > > > from > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > > > be > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > lord > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > change > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Sonia > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > placed > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > > but > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > > has > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > > > be > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > > > be > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > > > be > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > > > to > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > lord > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > change > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > > > I > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > > > that > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > > > from > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > > > also > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > > > the > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > about. > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > > > from > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > vegetable > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > > > come > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > > > have > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > strongly > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > > > family > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > suspected. > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > > > where > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > > > food > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > > fact > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > > > in > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > > > wrote > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > > > does > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > Navamsha > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > > > learn > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > > > seen > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > > > it > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > well, > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > > have > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > predicts > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > > > at > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > > > how > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > > > group > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > > > take > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > > > be > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > > > to > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > > > what > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > > > chart > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > Charts > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > > > So > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > > > it. > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > different > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > > > have > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > > > ago, > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > rummaged > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > > > sides > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > > > it > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > > > want > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > > > SO > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > > > chart > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > D-charts, > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > properly. > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > > > on > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > > > show > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > > > this > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > > > the > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > indications > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > keyboard > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > charts, > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > > > one > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Dev ji, So Mr. Bejan Daruwala is the most authentic astrologer in your belief. RegardsKulbir Bains axeplex <axeplex Sent: Sat, 13 February, 2010 2:16:12 AM Re: SRILANKA She missed on 9th in natal chart and in 9th in natal chart, it does not indicate what native attained.May be your Guru would have taught you about 8th but I shall experiment it from side. I don't accept anything because someone says it, even if he is Bejan Daruwala.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > Sivaji and myself have both commented only after reading your analysis.> > My purpose of commenting afterwards was just to show, that this is seen> from the Natal Chart itself. So who says that this cannot be seen from> the Natal Chart ?> > I had seen Soniaji's comments much before you accepted . And I was very> happy to read that she was on the right track. Normal people would not> be able to associate the 8th house with technical, is what I marvelled> when I read her analysis.> > The 8th house is connected to technical is something which you would not> know having studied what you did. This is not taught in the normal> courses. It only comes from a Guru. And a practical and experienced Guru> who knows all methods of approaching a chart.> > I was not here to appear for any tests, which is why I did not comment> before. In fact I wanted you to ,and still want you to show on the new> charts coming on board, how to determine profession and other matters> from D Charts.> > Neelamji has provided a start.> > Why not try those charts and show the actual potential of the study and> knowledge of application you have about D Charts.> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@>> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji,> >> > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit.> >> > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji> put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her> efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house> rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education,> which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I> revealed the details.> >> > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination. // This is new> thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment> it in some charts before I can comment on this.> >> > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher> studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by> Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies.> > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th> lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very> well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also> in 9th in D-24.> >> > regds> > Dev> >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "siva"> sarasalai_siva@ wrote:> > >> > > || om namo narayana ||> > >> > > Namaskar list,> > >> > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother )> > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father> ).> > >> > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th> sign cancer..> > >> > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has> mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field.> > >> > > siva> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts> can> > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal> > > > Charts ?> > > >> > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict> even one> > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart.> > > >> > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use> of the> > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology.. So> > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make> utterly no> > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just> needs> > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with> the D> > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to> show> > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to> ephasise> > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there,> but> > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ?> There> > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show> me one> > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the> future> > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important> otherwise> > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is> failure> > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are> failures> > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view> or> > > > thought ?> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > >> > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be> confirmed> > > > from> > > > > the Natal Chart.> > > > >> > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show> > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc.> > > > >> > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical> studies> > > > and> > > > > inclinations.> > > > >> > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need> the> > > > other> > > > > charts to look from ?> > > > >> > > > > Please explain.> > > > >> > > > > regards,Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> axeplex@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Soniaji and all,> > > > > >> > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details.> > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am> > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all> > > > before> > > > > jupiter dasa.> > > > > >> > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along> with> > > > > native chart now and arrive at result.> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> axeplex@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th> and> > > > 2nd> > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is> > > > learning,> > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both> 4th and> > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get> the> > > > > education but education is 4th.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> Mehdiratta> > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not> > > > exactly> > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning.> > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other> significances of> > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been> > > > discussed> > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from> 4th> > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks> for> > > > the> > > > > information.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period.> Hope> > > > it> > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc.> > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is> for> > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted> till> > > > > bachelors.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other> > > > members> > > > > don't seem interested.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take.> > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that> from> > > > 2nd> > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked> with> > > > > 5th. And> > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 '> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not> > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting> connected> > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention.> > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of> education> > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth> > > > houses> > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education.> > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently> running> > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it> > > > reminds> > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein....> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth> house> > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that> from> > > > 2nd> > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked> with> > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with> sixth> > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and> sixth> > > > lord.> > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i> will> > > > > share other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with> nakshatra> > > > > details. //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous> till> > > > > Bachelors.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> Sonia> > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house> > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter.> > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with> sixth> > > > lord> > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun.> > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth> lord.> > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it.> > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then> i> > > > will> > > > > share other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with> > > > nakshatra> > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn> is> > > > placed> > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon> sign,> > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is> debilitated,> > > > but> > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this> planetary> > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from> Mercury> > > > has> > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education> should be> > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common?> > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house,> having no> > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But> Moon in> > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some> disturbance> > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.//> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa> starts> > > > from> > > > > Moon?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter> will> > > > be> > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus> sign> > > > lord> > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could> also> > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for> some> > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give> some> > > > change> > > > > in educational stream.//> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as> written in> > > > > earlier mail.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may> not be> > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into> technical> > > > > education and will do well.//> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> Sonia> > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is> > > > placed> > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon> sign,> > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is> debilitated,> > > > but> > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this> planetary> > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from> Mercury> > > > has> > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education> should> > > > be> > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha> will> > > > be> > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars.> > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow> will> > > > be> > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education.> All> > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct> connection> > > > to> > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars> in> > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in> education, but> > > > > overall dasha will be fine.> > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter> will be> > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus> sign> > > > lord> > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could> also> > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for> some> > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give> some> > > > change> > > > > in educational stream.> > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and> Jupiter> > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on.> > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may> not be> > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into> technical> > > > > education and will do well.> > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long> mail.> > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its> own> > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous> mail.> > > > I> > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details> so> > > > that> > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon> > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet> > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet> > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet> > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu> > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is> middle of> > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi> chart.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what> I> > > > > understood. That> > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person> > > > specific.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any> event> > > > from> > > > > the Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it,> or it> > > > > cannot be> > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of> the D> > > > > Charts to locate> > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology..> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that> through KP,> > > > > does not> > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others> cannot> > > > > notice it through> > > > > > > > > > > > KP.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning> out the> > > > > why for every> > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other> work> > > > also> > > > > to do instead> > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean> that> > > > the> > > > > chart has> > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology> or KP.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to> any> > > > > system, but rather> > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know> > > > about.> > > > > If for> > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through> D> > > > > Charts, then please> > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so> that we> > > > > can learn more> > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable> dish> > > > from> > > > > Banana leaves> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that> > > > vegetable> > > > > cannot be> > > > > > > > > > > > made> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > Suresh Awasthi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the> matter> > > > > with D-12, D1> > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would> definitely> > > > come> > > > > back in> > > > > > > > > > > > future. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be> even> > > > > three months.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to> me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction> though I> > > > have> > > > > participated> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors> for> > > > > Adoption". You> > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12> > > > strongly> > > > > predicts the> > > > > > > > > > > > case> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > > > com,> > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the> normal> > > > family> > > > > Doctor who> > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a> problem.> > > > > He does not> > > > > > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him.> BUT> > > > > Sonography or an X> > > > > > > > > > > > Ray> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already> > > > suspected.> > > > > This does not> > > > > > > > > > > > mean> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this> Group,> > > > where> > > > > 80% of the> > > > > > > > > > > > times> > > > > > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and> also> > > > > explained the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from> you in> > > > > this Group till> > > > > > > > > > > > > > date.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D> Charts> > > > > and also> > > > > > > > > > > > explain> > > > > > > > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the> Natal> > > > > Chart on a> > > > > > > > > > > > stand> > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put> on> > > > > display all what> > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of> > > > > illustrations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3> Examples even> > > > > if I give you a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > months> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve> the> > > > food> > > > > here...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > > > > com, "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument> where> > > > > there is no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no> > > > > opposition since it> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm> what is> > > > > seen in Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts.> In> > > > fact> > > > > it is better> > > > > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no> confirmation> > > > in> > > > > D-chart? You> > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into> what> > > > > works, rather> > > > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But> aspects> > > > > between> > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I> already> > > > wrote> > > > > in one of my> > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you> study> > > > > well, you will> > > > > > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which> uses> > > > > Nakshtra level> > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers> have> > > > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in> same.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to> study> > > > > the D Charts in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > order> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is> not> > > > > nessessary or> > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to> learn from> > > > > you. But> > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions> and> > > > > does not need> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional> astrology> > > > does> > > > > not teach us> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the> same> > > > > window. What is the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the> > > > Navamsha> > > > > meant for ? //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide> the> > > > > group to at> > > > > > > > > > > > maximum> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one> cannot> > > > > predict> > > > > > > > > > > > education> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D> 24> > > > > Chart. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I> would> > > > learn> > > > > but am anyday> > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > > > > com, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument> where> > > > > there is no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what> is> > > > seen> > > > > in Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In> fact> > > > it> > > > > is better if> > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into> what> > > > > works, rather than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But> aspects> > > > > between> > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you> study> > > > well,> > > > > you will> > > > > > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which> uses> > > > > Nakshtra level> > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day> astrologers> > > > have> > > > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in> same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone> > > > predicts> > > > > education, it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to> study> > > > > the D Charts in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is> not> > > > > nessessary or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict> well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can> not> > > > > ignore D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > Let us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a> group of> > > > at> > > > > least 1000 to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements> in the> > > > > ASC window and> > > > > > > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional> astrology does> > > > > not teach us to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same> window.> > > > > What is the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant> for ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one> cannot> > > > > predict education> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D> 24> > > > > Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration> on> > > > how> > > > > to calculate> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts> shall> > > > > be studied in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can> read D-1> > > > > also. Basic> > > > > > > > > > > > fundas> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in> the> > > > group> > > > > are more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they> are> > > > > wrong. Everyone> > > > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also> logical> > > > > here. And when it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let> us> > > > take> > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to> 2000> > > > > people born with> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window> and may> > > > be> > > > > even more if> > > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at> D-24, if> > > > > someone predicts> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is> illogical.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it> has> > > > to> > > > > exist. We had> > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > big> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days> back.> > > > > Whatever concept> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > used> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to> consider> > > > what> > > > > works. Rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras.> KP is> > > > > not written in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without> going> > > > > through a> > > > > > > > > > > > marriage,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept> in D> > > > > Charts without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart.> Please> > > > > tell me how can> > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the> normal> > > > > MBBS Degree.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the> children is> > > > > born. Its> > > > > > > > > > > > always> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all> the> > > > > members here too,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using> Natal> > > > > Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your> goodself> > > > > suggested, but> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach> > > > > actually, instead its> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one> has> > > > > taken to approach> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the> Natal> > > > chart> > > > > for say the> > > > > > > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the> sapthamsa or> > > > > what one> > > > > > > > > > > > observes in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will> be> > > > > conformed from the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D> > > > Charts> > > > > can be done in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a> Father.> > > > So> > > > > if you want to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home> and are> > > > > going to meet> > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first> see how> > > > > her Father is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son> with> > > > > that Girl> > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine> > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with> confirmations> > > > > from the D> > > > > > > > > > > > Chart).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of> searching> > > > it.> > > > > Just to add> > > > > > > > > > > > on to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also> true. If> > > > > someone is adept> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that> > > > > difficult since there> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of> > > > different> > > > > factors only> > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> astrology@> > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I> shot.> > > > > Nobody will find> > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D> Charts. I> > > > have> > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2> years> > > > ago,> > > > > where I was> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process> > > > rummaged> > > > > through all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I> am not> > > > > standing in> > > > > > > > > > > > support,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to> change> > > > sides> > > > > and switch> > > > > > > > > > > > over to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This> makes> > > > it> > > > > enjoyable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother> searching> > > > > for this. You> > > > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and> one> > > > > Line, which I will> > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to> encourage> > > > > astrologers in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts..> I> > > > want> > > > > them to learn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in> advance.> > > > SO> > > > > my efforts are> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them> to> > > > > connect what has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in> > > > > predicting from the> > > > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the> other> > > > > Charts. In fact> > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a> birth> > > > chart> > > > > in hand or> > > > > > > > > > > > with no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> astrology@> > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not> saying> > > > > to compare KP> > > > > > > > > > > > sub> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong> > > > > comparison. I was> > > > > > > > > > > > saying,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group> to> > > > > reach the> > > > > > > > > > > > individual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in> > > > D-charts,> > > > > I don't know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > where> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> astrology@> > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail> > > > properly.> > > > > Nowhere have> > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I> have gone> > > > > through the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making> comments> > > > on> > > > > same. So I am> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any> > > > > statement and normally> > > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters> for> > > > > anybody to argue or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > point> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can> you> > > > show> > > > > me any shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the> D> > > > > Charts. I have put> > > > > > > > > > > > up> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour> > > > > existence of D Charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in> every> > > > > mail please,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start> talking> > > > > about Tarot> > > > > > > > > > > > Cards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal> balls> > > > > and this will> > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to> say> > > > > that just as> > > > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute> predictions, in> > > > > same way the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is> negating> > > > this> > > > > ? I am not.> > > > > > > > > > > > Who> > > > > > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So> wheres> > > > the> > > > > issue about> > > > > > > > > > > > this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and> D> > > > > Charts, but thats a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of> every> > > > > planetwith D> > > > > > > > > > > > Charts> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > astrology@> > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras> talk of> > > > > divisions. Though> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some> > > > indications> > > > > are there in> > > > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas> or> > > > > virtual D-chart or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about> identifying an> > > > > individual in the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for> > > > > selecting an option in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses> > > > keyboard> > > > > but results> > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope> that> > > > > divides whole> > > > > > > > > > > > > > population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart> which> > > > > divides the crowd> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual> charts> > > > > and sub/> > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub> > > > > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict> when> > > > > somone approaches> > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind> > > > charts,> > > > > divisions are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > astrology@ .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem> of> > > > > Charts , in books> > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam,> and> > > > > relating the Life> > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never> find> > > > > the mention of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in> any> > > > > Shastra. If any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant> shloka.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman> in> > > > one> > > > > of his books,> > > > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha> etc. are> > > > > not to be> > > > > > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the> points> > > > > of influence> > > > > > > > > > > > (Not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can> recall as> > > > > the meaning).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does> not> > > > > matter in aspects,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who> can> > > > > read the> > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in> > > > > Divisional Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even> if one> > > > > reads the chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give> correct> > > > > predictions.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best> wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 No, Kulbirji, it is not so. I was looking for some name and he is the most famous name that came in to my mind. In reality, it could be even you, if you can convince me. (offcourse logically) regds Dev , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Dear Dev ji, > So Mr. Bejan Daruwala is the most authentic astrologer in your belief. >  Regards > Kulbir Bains > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Sat, 13 February, 2010 2:16:12 AM > Re: SRILANKA > >  > She missed on 9th in natal chart and in 9th in natal chart, it does not indicate what native attained. > > May be your Guru would have taught you about 8th but I shall experiment it from side. I don't accept anything because someone says it, even if he is Bejan Daruwala. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Sivaji and myself have both commented only after reading your analysis. > > > > My purpose of commenting afterwards was just to show, that this is seen > > from the Natal Chart itself. So who says that this cannot be seen from > > the Natal Chart ? > > > > I had seen Soniaji's comments much before you accepted . And I was very > > happy to read that she was on the right track. Normal people would not > > be able to associate the 8th house with technical, is what I marvelled > > when I read her analysis. > > > > The 8th house is connected to technical is something which you would not > > know having studied what you did. This is not taught in the normal > > courses. It only comes from a Guru. And a practical and experienced Guru > > who knows all methods of approaching a chart. > > > > I was not here to appear for any tests, which is why I did not comment > > before. In fact I wanted you to ,and still want you to show on the new > > charts coming on board, how to determine profession and other matters > > from D Charts. > > > > Neelamji has provided a start. > > > > Why not try those charts and show the actual potential of the study and > > knowledge of application you have about D Charts. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > > > > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > > > > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji > > put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her > > efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house > > rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, > > which was not.. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I > > revealed the details. > > > > > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination. // This is new > > thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment > > it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > > > > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher > > studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by > > Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th > > lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very > > well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also > > in 9th in D-24. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " siva " > > sarasalai_siva@ wrote: > > > > > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father > > ). > > > > > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th > > sign cancer. > > > > > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has > > mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts > > can > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict > > even one > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use > > of the > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology.. So > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make > > utterly no > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just > > needs > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with > > the D > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to > > show > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to > > ephasise > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, > > but > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? > > There > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups.. Show > > me one > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > > future > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > > otherwise > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is > > failure > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are > > failures > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view > > or > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > > confirmed > > > > > from > > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > > studies > > > > > and > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need > > the > > > > > other > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > axeplex@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > > > before > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along > > with > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > axeplex@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th > > and > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > > > learning, > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both > > 4th and > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get > > the > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > > > exactly > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > significances of > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > > > discussed > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from > > 4th > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. > > Hope > > > > > it > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is > > for > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted > > till > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > > > members > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > from > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > with > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > > connected > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > > education > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > > > houses > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently > > running > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > > > reminds > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > house > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > from > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > with > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > sixth > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > sixth > > > > > lord. > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > will > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > nakshatra > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous > > till > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > Sonia > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > sixth > > > > > lord > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > lord. > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then > > i > > > > > will > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn > > is > > > > > placed > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > sign, > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > debilitated, > > > > > but > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > planetary > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > Mercury > > > > > has > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > should be > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, > > having no > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But > > Moon in > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > > disturbance > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > > starts > > > > > from > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > sign > > > > > lord > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > also > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > some > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > some > > > > > change > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as > > written in > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may > > not be > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > technical > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > Sonia > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > > > placed > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > sign, > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > debilitated, > > > > > but > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > planetary > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > Mercury > > > > > has > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > > should > > > > > be > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. > > All > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > > connection > > > > > to > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars > > in > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > > education, but > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > will be > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > sign > > > > > lord > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > also > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > some > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > some > > > > > change > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and > > Jupiter > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may > > not be > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > technical > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long > > mail. > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its > > own > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous > > mail. > > > > > I > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details > > so > > > > > that > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is > > middle of > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what > > I > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any > > event > > > > > from > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, > > or it > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of > > the D > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that > > through KP, > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others > > cannot > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning > > out the > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other > > work > > > > > also > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean > > that > > > > > the > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology > > or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to > > any > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > > > about. > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through > > D > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so > > that we > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable > > dish > > > > > from > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the > > matter > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > > definitely > > > > > come > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be > > even > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction > > though I > > > > > have > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors > > for > > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > > > strongly > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the > > normal > > > > > family > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a > > problem. > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. > > BUT > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this > > Group, > > > > > where > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and > > also > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from > > you in > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D > > Charts > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the > > Natal > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put > > on > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 > > Examples even > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve > > the > > > > > food > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument > > where > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm > > what is > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. > > In > > > > > fact > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > > confirmation > > > > > in > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into > > what > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But > > aspects > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I > > already > > > > > wrote > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > study > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which > > uses > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > have > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to > > study > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is > > not > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to > > learn from > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions > > and > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > > astrology > > > > > does > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the > > same > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide > > the > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one > > cannot > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > > 24 > > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I > > would > > > > > learn > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . > > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument > > where > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what > > is > > > > > seen > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > fact > > > > > it > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into > > what > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But > > aspects > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > study > > > > > well, > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which > > uses > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > astrologers > > > > > have > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > > > predicts > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to > > study > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is > > not > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can > > not > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a > > group of > > > > > at > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements > > in the > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional > > astrology does > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same > > window. > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one > > cannot > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > > 24 > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration > > on > > > > > how > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts > > shall > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can > > read D-1 > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in > > the > > > > > group > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they > > are > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > > logical > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let > > us > > > > > take > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to > > 2000 > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window > > and may > > > > > be > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at > > D-24, if > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it > > has > > > > > to > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days > > back. > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > > consider > > > > > what > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. > > KP is > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without > > going > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept > > in D > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. > > Please > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the > > normal > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > > children is > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all > > the > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using > > Natal > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > > goodself > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one > > has > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the > > Natal > > > > > chart > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > > sapthamsa or > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will > > be > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > > > Charts > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > > Father. > > > > > So > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home > > and are > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first > > see how > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son > > with > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > > confirmations > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > > searching > > > > > it. > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also > > true. If > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > > > different > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I > > shot. > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D > > Charts. I > > > > > have > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 > > years > > > > > ago, > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I > > am not > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same.. Like to > > change > > > > > sides > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This > > makes > > > > > it > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > > searching > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and > > one > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > > encourage > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. > > I > > > > > want > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > > advance. > > > > > SO > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them > > to > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the > > other > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a > > birth > > > > > chart > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not > > saying > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group > > to > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > > > properly. > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I > > have gone > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > > comments > > > > > on > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters > > for > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can > > you > > > > > show > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the > > D > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in > > every > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start > > talking > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal > > balls > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to > > say > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > predictions, in > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > > negating > > > > > this > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > > wheres > > > > > the > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and > > D > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of > > every > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras > > talk of > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > > indications > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas > > or > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > identifying an > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope > > that > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart > > which > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual > > charts > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict > > when > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > > > charts, > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem > > of > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, > > and > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never > > find > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in > > any > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman > > in > > > > > one > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha > > etc. are > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the > > points > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > > recall as > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does > > not > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who > > can > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even > > if one > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give > > correct > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Ramji, You can read from 9th. No plantary aspect consideration in this case. Mercury since we have software in today's world. regds Dev , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Devji > > Thanks for the reply and Yes as you say each to there own (?) ….. > > Again for Engineering are you solely looking at 9th Hse placements in D24 OR do you consider aspects as well? > > Also out of interest How have you related Mer to Engineering? > > Thanks and best wishes …. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > On Behalf Of axeplex > 13 February 2010 12:48 > > Re: SRILANKA > > > Hi Ramji, > > Thanks for concurrence. I have already written a set of group prefers 5th house for basic. It is with what you are comfortable. To me, both 4th and 5th are important. Without 5th (learning), 4th (education can not come. > > Apart from Mars, I have found Ra, Me. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Dev ji > > > > I concur with you that Higher Education certainly has to be seen by 9th Hse/Lord though personally prefer using 5th Hse for Education as opposed from 4th Hse ……. > > > > Just wondering whether only Mars in 9th Hse of D24 signifies Engineering OR whether you feel there are other combinations as well? > > > > Best wishes …. > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology [ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology ] On Behalf Of axeplex > > 13 February 2010 09:49 > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I revealed the details. > > > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This is new thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also in 9th in D-24. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " siva " <sarasalai_siva@> wrote: > > > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ). > > > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th sign cancer. > > > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > > > siva > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > > > > from > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies > > > > and > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > > > > other > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > > before > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and > > > > 2nd > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > > learning, > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, Sonia Mehdiratta > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > > exactly > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > > discussed > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for > > > > the > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope > > > > it > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > > members > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > > > 2nd > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > > houses > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > > reminds > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > > > 2nd > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > > > lord. > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > > lord > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > > > will > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > nakshatra > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > > placed > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > > > but > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > > > has > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > > > > from > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > > > > be > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > > lord > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > > change > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > > placed > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > > > but > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > > > has > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > > > > be > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > > > > be > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > > > > be > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > > > > to > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > > lord > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > > change > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > > > > I > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > > > > that > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > > > > from > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > > > > also > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > > > > the > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > > about. > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > > > > from > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > > vegetable > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > > > > come > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > > > > have > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > > strongly > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > > > > family > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > suspected. > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > > > > where > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > > > > food > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > > > fact > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > > > > in > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > > > > wrote > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > > > > does > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > > Navamsha > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > > > > learn > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > > > > seen > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > > > > it > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > > well, > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > > > have > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > > predicts > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > > > > at > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > > > > how > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > > > > group > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > > > > take > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > > > > be > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > > > > to > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > > > > what > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > > > > chart > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > > Charts > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > > > > So > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > > > > it. > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > > different > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > > > > have > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > > > > ago, > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > > rummaged > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > > > > sides > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > > > > it > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > > > > want > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > > > > SO > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > > > > chart > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > > D-charts, > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > > properly. > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > > > > on > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > > > > show > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > > > > this > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > > > > the > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > indications > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > > keyboard > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > > charts, > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > > > > one > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Sir, The topic being discussed is not my field. I just got anxious to know as to what greatness did your goodself saw in Mr. Daruwala. RegardsKulbir Bains axeplex <axeplex Sent: Sat, 13 February, 2010 9:38:58 AM Re: SRILANKA No, Kulbirji, it is not so. I was looking for some name and he is the most famous name that came in to my mind.In reality, it could be even you, if you can convince me. (offcourse logically)regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Dev ji,> So Mr. Bejan Daruwala is the most authentic astrologer in your belief.>  Regards> Kulbir Bains > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> axeplex <axeplex >> ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com> Sat, 13 February, 2010 2:16:12 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> >  > She missed on 9th in natal chart and in 9th in natal chart, it does not indicate what native attained.> > May be your Guru would have taught you about 8th but I shall experiment it from side. I don't accept anything because someone says it, even if he is Bejan Daruwala.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > Sivaji and myself have both commented only after reading your analysis.> > > > My purpose of commenting afterwards was just to show, that this is seen> > from the Natal Chart itself. So who says that this cannot be seen from> > the Natal Chart ?> > > > I had seen Soniaji's comments much before you accepted . And I was very> > happy to read that she was on the right track. Normal people would not> > be able to associate the 8th house with technical, is what I marvelled> > when I read her analysis.> > > > The 8th house is connected to technical is something which you would not> > know having studied what you did. This is not taught in the normal> > courses.. It only comes from a Guru. And a practical and experienced Guru> > who knows all methods of approaching a chart.> > > > I was not here to appear for any tests, which is why I did not comment> > before. In fact I wanted you to ,and still want you to show on the new> > charts coming on board, how to determine profession and other matters> > from D Charts.> > > > Neelamji has provided a start.> > > > Why not try those charts and show the actual potential of the study and> > knowledge of application you have about D Charts.> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji,> > >> > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit.> > >> > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji> > put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her> > efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house> > rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education,> > which was not.. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I> > revealed the details.> > >> > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination. // This is new> > thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment> > it in some charts before I can comment on this.> > >> > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher> > studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by> > Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies.> > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th> > lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very> > well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also> > in 9th in D-24.> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "siva"> > sarasalai_siva@ wrote:> > > >> > > > || om namo narayana ||> > > >> > > > Namaskar list,> > > >> > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother )> > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father> > ).> > > >> > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th> > sign cancer.> > > >> > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has> > mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field.> > > >> > > > siva> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts> > can> > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal> > > > > Charts ?> > > > >> > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict> > even one> > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart.> > > > >> > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use> > of the> > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology.. So> > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make> > utterly no> > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just> > needs> > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with> > the D> > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to> > show> > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to> > ephasise> > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there,> > but> > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ?> > There> > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups.. Show> > me one> > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the> > future> > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important> > otherwise> > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is> > failure> > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are> > failures> > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view> > or> > > > > thought ?> > > > >> > > > > best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > >> > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be> > confirmed> > > > > from> > > > > > the Natal Chart.> > > > > >> > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House.. Mars and Rahu show> > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical> > studies> > > > > and> > > > > > inclinations.> > > > > >> > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need> > the> > > > > other> > > > > > charts to look from ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Please explain.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > axeplex@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Soniaji and all,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details.> > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am> > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all> > > > > before> > > > > > jupiter dasa.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along> > with> > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > axeplex@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th> > and> > > > > 2nd> > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is> > > > > learning,> > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both> > 4th and> > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get> > the> > > > > > education but education is 4th.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> > Mehdiratta> > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not> > > > > exactly> > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning.> > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other> > significances of> > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been> > > > > discussed> > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from> > 4th> > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks> > for> > > > > the> > > > > > information.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period.> > Hope> > > > > it> > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc.> > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is> > for> > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted> > till> > > > > > bachelors.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other> > > > > members> > > > > > don't seem interested.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take.> > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that> > from> > > > > 2nd> > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked> > with> > > > > > 5th. And> > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 '> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not> > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting> > connected> > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention.> > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of> > education> > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth> > > > > houses> > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education.> > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently> > running> > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it> > > > > reminds> > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein....> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth> > house> > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that> > from> > > > > 2nd> > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked> > with> > > > > > 5th.. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with> > sixth> > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and> > sixth> > > > > lord.> > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor..> > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i> > will> > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with> > nakshatra> > > > > > details. //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous> > till> > > > > > Bachelors.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > Sonia> > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house> > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter.> > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with> > sixth> > > > > lord> > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun.> > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth> > lord.> > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it.> > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then> > i> > > > > will> > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with> > > > > nakshatra> > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn> > is> > > > > placed> > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon> > sign,> > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is> > debilitated,> > > > > but> > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this> > planetary> > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from> > Mercury> > > > > has> > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education> > should be> > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. //> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common?> > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house,> > having no> > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But> > Moon in> > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some> > disturbance> > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa> > starts> > > > > from> > > > > > Moon?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter> > will> > > > > be> > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus> > sign> > > > > lord> > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could> > also> > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for> > some> > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give> > some> > > > > change> > > > > > in educational stream.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as> > written in> > > > > > earlier mail.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may> > not be> > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into> > technical> > > > > > education and will do well.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > Sonia> > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is> > > > > placed> > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon> > sign,> > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is> > debilitated,> > > > > but> > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this> > planetary> > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from> > Mercury> > > > > has> > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education> > should> > > > > be> > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha> > will> > > > > be> > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars.> > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow> > will> > > > > be> > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education.> > All> > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct> > connection> > > > > to> > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars> > in> > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in> > education, but> > > > > > overall dasha will be fine.> > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter> > will be> > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus> > sign> > > > > lord> > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could> > also> > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for> > some> > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give> > some> > > > > change> > > > > > in educational stream.> > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and> > Jupiter> > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on.> > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may> > not be> > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into> > technical> > > > > > education and will do well.> > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long> > mail.> > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its> > own> > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous> > mail.> > > > > I> > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details> > so> > > > > that> > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon> > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet> > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet> > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu> > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is> > middle of> > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi> > chart.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what> > I> > > > > > understood. That> > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person> > > > > specific.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any> > event> > > > > from> > > > > > the Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it,> > or it> > > > > > cannot be> > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of> > the D> > > > > > Charts to locate> > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that> > through KP,> > > > > > does not> > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others> > cannot> > > > > > notice it through> > > > > > > > > > > > > KP.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning> > out the> > > > > > why for every> > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other> > work> > > > > also> > > > > > to do instead> > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean> > that> > > > > the> > > > > > chart has> > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology> > or KP.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to> > any> > > > > > system, but rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know> > > > > about.> > > > > > If for> > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through> > D> > > > > > Charts, then please> > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so> > that we> > > > > > can learn more> > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable> > dish> > > > > from> > > > > > Banana leaves> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that> > > > > vegetable> > > > > > cannot be> > > > > > > > > > > > > made> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > Suresh Awasthi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the> > matter> > > > > > with D-12, D1> > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would> > definitely> > > > > come> > > > > > back in> > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be> > even> > > > > > three months.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to> > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction> > though I> > > > > have> > > > > > participated> > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors> > for> > > > > > Adoption". You> > > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12> > > > > strongly> > > > > > predicts the> > > > > > > > > > > > > case> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the> > normal> > > > > family> > > > > > Doctor who> > > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a> > problem.> > > > > > He does not> > > > > > > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him.> > BUT> > > > > > Sonography or an X> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already> > > > > suspected.> > > > > > This does not> > > > > > > > > > > > > mean> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this> > Group,> > > > > where> > > > > > 80% of the> > > > > > > > > > > > > times> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and> > also> > > > > > explained the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from> > you in> > > > > > this Group till> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D> > Charts> > > > > > and also> > > > > > > > > > > > > explain> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the> > Natal> > > > > > Chart on a> > > > > > > > > > > > > stand> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put> > on> > > > > > display all what> > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of> > > > > > illustrations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3> > Examples even> > > > > > if I give you a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve> > the> > > > > food> > > > > > here...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > > com, "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument> > where> > > > > > there is no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no> > > > > > opposition since it> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm> > what is> > > > > > seen in Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts.> > In> > > > > fact> > > > > > it is better> > > > > > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations.. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no> > confirmation> > > > > in> > > > > > D-chart? You> > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into> > what> > > > > > works, rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But> > aspects> > > > > > between> > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I> > already> > > > > wrote> > > > > > in one of my> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you> > study> > > > > > well, you will> > > > > > > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which> > uses> > > > > > Nakshtra level> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers> > have> > > > > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in> > same.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to> > study> > > > > > the D Charts in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is> > not> > > > > > nessessary or> > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to> > learn from> > > > > > you. But> > > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions> > and> > > > > > does not need> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional> > astrology> > > > > does> > > > > > not teach us> > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the> > same> > > > > > window. What is the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the> > > > > Navamsha> > > > > > meant for ? //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide> > the> > > > > > group to at> > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one> > cannot> > > > > > predict> > > > > > > > > > > > > education> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D> > 24> > > > > > Chart. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I> > would> > > > > learn> > > > > > but am anyday> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > > com, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument> > where> > > > > > there is no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what> > is> > > > > seen> > > > > > in Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In> > fact> > > > > it> > > > > > is better if> > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into> > what> > > > > > works, rather than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But> > aspects> > > > > > between> > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you> > study> > > > > well,> > > > > > you will> > > > > > > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which> > uses> > > > > > Nakshtra level> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day> > astrologers> > > > > have> > > > > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in> > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone> > > > > predicts> > > > > > education, it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to> > study> > > > > > the D Charts in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is> > not> > > > > > nessessary or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict> > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can> > not> > > > > > ignore D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a> > group of> > > > > at> > > > > > least 1000 to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements> > in the> > > > > > ASC window and> > > > > > > > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional> > astrology does> > > > > > not teach us to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same> > window.> > > > > > What is the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant> > for ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one> > cannot> > > > > > predict education> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D> > 24> > > > > > Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration> > on> > > > > how> > > > > > to calculate> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts> > shall> > > > > > be studied in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can> > read D-1> > > > > > also. Basic> > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in> > the> > > > > group> > > > > > are more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they> > are> > > > > > wrong. Everyone> > > > > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also> > logical> > > > > > here. And when it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let> > us> > > > > take> > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to> > 2000> > > > > > people born with> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window> > and may> > > > > be> > > > > > even more if> > > > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at> > D-24, if> > > > > > someone predicts> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is> > illogical.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it> > has> > > > > to> > > > > > exist. We had> > > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days> > back.> > > > > > Whatever concept> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to> > consider> > > > > what> > > > > > works. Rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras.> > KP is> > > > > > not written in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without> > going> > > > > > through a> > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept> > in D> > > > > > Charts without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart.> > Please> > > > > > tell me how can> > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the> > normal> > > > > > MBBS Degree.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the> > children is> > > > > > born. Its> > > > > > > > > > > > > always> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all> > the> > > > > > members here too,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using> > Natal> > > > > > Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your> > goodself> > > > > > suggested, but> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach> > > > > > actually, instead its> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one> > has> > > > > > taken to approach> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the> > Natal> > > > > chart> > > > > > for say the> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the> > sapthamsa or> > > > > > what one> > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will> > be> > > > > > conformed from the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D> > > > > Charts> > > > > > can be done in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a> > Father.> > > > > So> > > > > > if you want to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home> > and are> > > > > > going to meet> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first> > see how> > > > > > her Father is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son> > with> > > > > > that Girl> > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with> > confirmations> > > > > > from the D> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of> > searching> > > > > it.> > > > > > Just to add> > > > > > > > > > > > > on to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also> > true. If> > > > > > someone is adept> > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that> > > > > > difficult since there> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of> > > > > different> > > > > > factors only> > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > astrology@> > > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I> > shot.> > > > > > Nobody will find> > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D> > Charts. I> > > > > have> > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2> > years> > > > > ago,> > > > > > where I was> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process> > > > > rummaged> > > > > > through all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I> > am not> > > > > > standing in> > > > > > > > > > > > > support,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same.. Like to> > change> > > > > sides> > > > > > and switch> > > > > > > > > > > > > over to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This> > makes> > > > > it> > > > > > enjoyable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother> > searching> > > > > > for this. You> > > > > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and> > one> > > > > > Line, which I will> > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to> > encourage> > > > > > astrologers in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts.> > I> > > > > want> > > > > > them to learn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in> > advance.> > > > > SO> > > > > > my efforts are> > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them> > to> > > > > > connect what has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in> > > > > > predicting from the> > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the> > other> > > > > > Charts. In fact> > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a> > birth> > > > > chart> > > > > > in hand or> > > > > > > > > > > > > with no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > astrology@> > > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not> > saying> > > > > > to compare KP> > > > > > > > > > > > > sub> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong> > > > > > comparison. I was> > > > > > > > > > > > > saying,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group> > to> > > > > > reach the> > > > > > > > > > > > > individual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in> > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > I don't know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > astrology@> > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail> > > > > properly.> > > > > > Nowhere have> > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I> > have gone> > > > > > through the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making> > comments> > > > > on> > > > > > same. So I am> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any> > > > > > statement and normally> > > > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters> > for> > > > > > anybody to argue or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can> > you> > > > > show> > > > > > me any shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the> > D> > > > > > Charts. I have put> > > > > > > > > > > > > up> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour> > > > > > existence of D Charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in> > every> > > > > > mail please,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start> > talking> > > > > > about Tarot> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal> > balls> > > > > > and this will> > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to> > say> > > > > > that just as> > > > > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute> > predictions, in> > > > > > same way the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is> > negating> > > > > this> > > > > > ? I am not.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Who> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So> > wheres> > > > > the> > > > > > issue about> > > > > > > > > > > > > this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and> > D> > > > > > Charts, but thats a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of> > every> > > > > > planetwith D> > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > astrology@> > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras> > talk of> > > > > > divisions. Though> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some> > > > > indications> > > > > > are there in> > > > > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts.. To> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas> > or> > > > > > virtual D-chart or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about> > identifying an> > > > > > individual in the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for> > > > > > selecting an option in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses> > > > > keyboard> > > > > > but results> > > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope> > that> > > > > > divides whole> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart> > which> > > > > > divides the crowd> > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual> > charts> > > > > > and sub/> > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict> > when> > > > > > somone approaches> > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind> > > > > charts,> > > > > > divisions are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > > astrology@ .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem> > of> > > > > > Charts , in books> > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam,> > and> > > > > > relating the Life> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never> > find> > > > > > the mention of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in> > any> > > > > > Shastra. If any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant> > shloka.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman> > in> > > > > one> > > > > > of his books,> > > > > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha> > etc. are> > > > > > not to be> > > > > > > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the> > points> > > > > > of influence> > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can> > recall as> > > > > > the meaning).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does> > not> > > > > > matter in aspects,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who> > can> > > > > > read the> > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in> > > > > > Divisional Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even> > if one> > > > > > reads the chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give> > correct> > > > > > predictions.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best> > wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your> > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your> > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your> > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Dev ji,Sorry to intervene here. I had not cast the chart in question and was not actually into this discussion. But I wish to clear a few points here.Mercury cannot be called a planet of engineering though it has come to represent computers and software in today's professional scenario. A mercury working for a fashion designer and a mercury for an architect would do the same job on the computer. The core line of mercury would be accounts, astrology, sports, entertainment, writing, publishing, so on and so forth For engineering, 9H is not the house, sincee engineering is hardly higher education. It is just a graduation where no deep study is required. It is seen from 5H (or 4H by some). The planets responsble for engineering are malefics, specially saturn (machines ) and ketu (parts) combination. Mars adds to fire type of works and Sun to electrical, etc. In the chart given by you, saturn is both 4L/5L and connects 2/5/10 houses, all related to profession. Iit also aspects 6L of work and labour. 10H has ketu and is aspected by 5L saturn. Hence professional education for him. Saturn from 8H aspects 2H house of earning. Jupiter is 3/6 lord in 2H in Anuradha, All this pushes this person into engineering, not the 9H. Long dasha of Rahu also has everything to do with asturn and rahu-ketu, but not mercury. He coul've gone for archeological, mining, civil, etc. and learnt software after finishing his engineering course in an appropriate dasha. This is from what I have learnt. Please feel free to disagree.RegardsNeelamOn 13 February 2010 23:31, axeplex <axeplex wrote:  Ramji, You can read from 9th. No plantary aspect consideration in this case. Mercury since we have software in today's world. regds Dev , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Devji > > Thanks for the reply and Yes as you say each to there own (?) ….. > > Again for Engineering are you solely looking at 9th Hse placements in D24 OR do you consider aspects as well? > > Also out of interest How have you related Mer to Engineering? > > Thanks and best wishes …. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > On Behalf Of axeplex > 13 February 2010 12:48 > > Re: SRILANKA > > > Hi Ramji, > > Thanks for concurrence. I have already written a set of group prefers 5th house for basic. It is with what you are comfortable. To me, both 4th and 5th are important. Without 5th (learning), 4th (education can not come. > > Apart from Mars, I have found Ra, Me. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Dev ji > > > > I concur with you that Higher Education certainly has to be seen by 9th Hse/Lord though personally prefer using 5th Hse for Education as opposed from 4th Hse ……. > > > > Just wondering whether only Mars in 9th Hse of D24 signifies Engineering OR whether you feel there are other combinations as well? > > > > Best wishes …. > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology [ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology ] On Behalf Of axeplex > > 13 February 2010 09:49 > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, which was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I revealed the details. > > > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This is new thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also in 9th in D-24. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " siva " <sarasalai_siva@> wrote: > > > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ). > > > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th sign cancer. > > > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > > > siva > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict even one > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of the > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make utterly no > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just needs > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with the D > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to show > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to ephasise > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, but > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? There > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me one > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the future > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important otherwise > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is failure > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are failures > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be confirmed > > > > from > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical studies > > > > and > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > > > > other > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > > before > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along with > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th and > > > > 2nd > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > > learning, > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th and > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get the > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com, Sonia Mehdiratta > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > > exactly > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other significances of > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > > discussed > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from 4th > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks for > > > > the > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. Hope > > > > it > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is for > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted till > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > > members > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > > > 2nd > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting connected > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of education > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > > houses > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently running > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > > reminds > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that from > > > > 2nd > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked with > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > > > lord. > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i will > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with nakshatra > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous till > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with sixth > > > > lord > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth lord. > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > > > will > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > nakshatra > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > > placed > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > > > but > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > > > has > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education should be > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having no > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa starts > > > > from > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will > > > > be > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > > lord > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > > change > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written in > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > > placed > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon sign, > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is debilitated, > > > > but > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this planetary > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from Mercury > > > > has > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education should > > > > be > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha will > > > > be > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow will > > > > be > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. All > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct connection > > > > to > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars in > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in education, but > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter will be > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus sign > > > > lord > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could also > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for some > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > > change > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and Jupiter > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not be > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into technical > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long mail. > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its own > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous mail. > > > > I > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details so > > > > that > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle of > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what I > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any event > > > > from > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, or it > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of the D > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through KP, > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others cannot > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out the > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other work > > > > also > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean that > > > > the > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > > about. > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so that we > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable dish > > > > from > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > > vegetable > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the matter > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would definitely > > > > come > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be even > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though I > > > > have > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors for > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > > strongly > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > com, > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > > > > family > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a problem. > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. BUT > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > suspected. > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this Group, > > > > where > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and also > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from you in > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D Charts > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the Natal > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put on > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples even > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve the > > > > food > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument where > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm what is > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > > > fact > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no confirmation > > > > in > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I already > > > > wrote > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers have > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn from > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions and > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional astrology > > > > does > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the same > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > > Navamsha > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide the > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one cannot > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I would > > > > learn > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument where > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what is > > > > seen > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In fact > > > > it > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into what > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you study > > > > well, > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > > > have > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > > predicts > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to study > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is not > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can not > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a group of > > > > at > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in the > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology does > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same window. > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one cannot > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D 24 > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration on > > > > how > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts shall > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can read D-1 > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in the > > > > group > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they are > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also logical > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let us > > > > take > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to 2000 > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and may > > > > be > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, if > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it has > > > > to > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days back. > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to consider > > > > what > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. KP is > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without going > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept in D > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. Please > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the normal > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the children is > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all the > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using Natal > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your goodself > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one has > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the Natal > > > > chart > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the sapthamsa or > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > > Charts > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a Father. > > > > So > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and are > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first see how > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son with > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with confirmations > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of searching > > > > it. > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. If > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > > different > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I shot. > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. I > > > > have > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 years > > > > ago, > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > > rummaged > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am not > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > > > > sides > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This makes > > > > it > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother searching > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and one > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to encourage > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. I > > > > want > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in advance. > > > > SO > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them to > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the other > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > > > > chart > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not saying > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group to > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > > D-charts, > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > > properly. > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have gone > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making comments > > > > on > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can you > > > > show > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in every > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start talking > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal balls > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to say > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute predictions, in > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is negating > > > > this > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So wheres > > > > the > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and D > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of every > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > astrology@ > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk of > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > indications > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas or > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying an > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > > keyboard > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope that > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart which > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual charts > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict when > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > > charts, > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem of > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, and > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never find > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in any > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman in > > > > one > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. are > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the points > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can recall as > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does not > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who can > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if one > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Dear Neelamji, You are always welcome. There is nothing like intervention in a virtual group. Here are my inputs on what you have said. Dear Dev ji, // Mercury cannot be called a planet of engineering though it has come to represent computers and software in today's professional scenario. // If you read my post, I have written I have seen it practically for software. //For engineering, 9H is not the house, sincee engineering is hardly higher education. It is just a graduation where no deep study is required. It is seen from 5H (or 4H by some). // There is an ideology difference here. What I have learnt is 9th and not 5th or 4th for Bachelors. So you may please keep your ideology, I keep mine. It does not matter if end result is same, though I am open to experiment your ideology if I could. // The planets responsble for engineering are malefics, specially saturn (machines ) and ketu (parts) combination. Mars adds to fire type of works and Sun to electrical, etc. // I could not understand this. Was it response to what I wrote (But I never wrote like this) or you are adding something. // In the chart given by you, saturn is both 4L/5L and connects 2/5/10 houses, all related to profession. Iit also aspects 6L of work and labour. 10H has ketu and is aspected by 5L saturn. Hence professional education for him. Saturn from 8H aspects 2H house of earning. Jupiter is 3/6 lord in 2H in Anuradha, All this pushes this person into engineering, not the 9H. Long dasha of Rahu also has everything to do with asturn and rahu-ketu, but not mercury. He coul've gone for archeological, mining, civil, etc. and learnt software after finishing his engineering course in an appropriate dasha.// Profession wise what you have analysed seems more valuable but we were discussing education. Rahu can behave like Saturn, yes. But how its Dasa can give the results of aspects that Saturn has. I have not learnt like this. If you read my post, I have not referenced Mercury for this case. Ramji asked me about other planets that I have seen and I answered the same. If you differ, you have full right. regds Dev , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Dev ji, > > Sorry to intervene here. I had not cast the chart in question and was not > actually into this discussion. > But I wish to clear a few points here. > > *Mercury cannot be called a planet of engineering* though it has come to > represent computers and software in today's professional scenario. > A mercury working for a fashion designer and a mercury for an architect > would do the same job on the computer. > The core line of mercury would be accounts, astrology, sports, > entertainment, writing, publishing, so on and so forth > > *For engineering, 9H is not the house,* sincee engineering is hardly higher > education. It is just a graduation where no deep study is required. > It is seen from 5H (or 4H by some). > > *The planets responsble for engineering are malefics, specially saturn > (machines ) and ketu (parts) combination. * > Mars adds to fire type of works and Sun to electrical, etc. > > In the chart given by you, saturn is both 4L/5L and connects 2/5/10 houses, > all related to profession. Iit also aspects 6L of work and labour. 10H has > ketu and is aspected by 5L saturn. Hence professional education for him. > Saturn from 8H aspects 2H house of earning. Jupiter is 3/6 lord in 2H in > Anuradha, All this pushes this person into engineering, not the 9H. > > Long dasha of Rahu also has everything to do with asturn and rahu-ketu, but > not mercury. He coul've gone for archeological, mining, civil, etc. and > learnt software after finishing his engineering course in an appropriate > dasha. > > This is from what I have learnt. Please feel free to disagree. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > On 13 February 2010 23:31, axeplex <axeplex wrote: > > > > > > > Ramji, > > > > You can read from 9th. No plantary aspect consideration in this case. > > Mercury since we have software in today's world. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Devji > > > > > > Thanks for the reply and Yes as you say each to there own (?) ….. > > > > > > Again for Engineering are you solely looking at 9th Hse placements in D24 > > OR do you consider aspects as well? > > > > > > Also out of interest How have you related Mer to Engineering? > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes …. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > <%40.\ com>[ > > <%40.\ com>] > > On Behalf Of axeplex > > > 13 February 2010 12:48 > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > Hi Ramji, > > > > > > Thanks for concurrence. I have already written a set of group prefers 5th > > house for basic. It is with what you are comfortable. To me, both 4th and > > 5th are important. Without 5th (learning), 4th (education can not come. > > > > > > Apart from Mars, I have found Ra, Me. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ < > > %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > > astrology <astrology%40>, " Ram Jaswal " > > <rkjaswal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Dev ji > > > > > > > > I concur with you that Higher Education certainly has to be seen by 9th > > Hse/Lord though personally prefer using 5th Hse for Education as opposed > > from 4th Hse ……. > > > > > > > > Just wondering whether only Mars in 9th Hse of D24 signifies > > Engineering OR whether you feel there are other combinations as well? > > > > > > > > Best wishes …. > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ < > > %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > > astrology <astrology%40> [ > > ancient_indian_ <%40<%2540\ >> > > astrology <astrology%40>] On Behalf Of > > axeplex > > > > 13 February 2010 09:49 > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40<%2540\ >> > > astrology <astrology%40> > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > > > > > > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji > > put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her > > efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house > > rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, which > > was not. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I revealed the > > details. > > > > > > > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination.// This is new > > thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment it > > in some charts before I can comment on this. > > > > > > > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher > > studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by Mars, > > it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > > > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th > > lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very well > > indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also in 9th > > in D-24. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ < > > %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40<astrology%2540>> > > ps.com, " siva " <sarasalai_siva@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > > > > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father ). > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th > > sign cancer. > > > > > > > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has > > mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ < > > %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40<astrology%2540>> > > ps.com, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts can > > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict > > even one > > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use of > > the > > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology. So > > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make > > utterly no > > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just > > needs > > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with > > the D > > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to > > show > > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to > > ephasise > > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, > > but > > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? > > There > > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups. Show me > > one > > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > > future > > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > > otherwise > > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is > > failure > > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are > > failures > > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view or > > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ < > > %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40<astrology%2540>> > > ps.com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > > confirmed > > > > > > from > > > > > > > the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House. Mars and Rahu show > > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > > studies > > > > > > and > > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need the > > > > > > other > > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ < > > %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40<astrology%2540>> > > ps.com, " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > > > > before > > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along > > with > > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ < > > %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40<astrology%2540>> > > ps.com, " axeplex " axeplex@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th > > and > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > > > > learning, > > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both 4th > > and > > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get > > the > > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ < > > %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40<astrology%2540>> > > ps.com, Sonia Mehdiratta > > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > significances of > > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from > > 4th > > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ < > > %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > > astrology@grou <astrology%40<astrology%2540>> > > ps.com > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. > > Hope > > > > > > it > > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is > > for > > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted > > till > > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > > > > members > > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > from > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > with > > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > > connected > > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > > education > > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently > > running > > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > > > > reminds > > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > from > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > with > > > > > > > 5th. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > sixth > > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > will > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > nakshatra > > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous > > till > > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > Sonia > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > sixth > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > lord. > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then > > i > > > > > > will > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > sign, > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > debilitated, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > planetary > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > Mercury > > > > > > has > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > should be > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, having > > no > > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But > > Moon in > > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > > disturbance > > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > > starts > > > > > > from > > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > sign > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > also > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > some > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > > > > change > > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as written > > in > > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may > > not be > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > technical > > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > Sonia > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > sign, > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > debilitated, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > planetary > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > Mercury > > > > > > has > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > > should > > > > > > be > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. > > All > > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > > connection > > > > > > to > > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars > > in > > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > > education, but > > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > will be > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > sign > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > also > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > some > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give some > > > > > > change > > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and > > Jupiter > > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may not > > be > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > technical > > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long > > mail. > > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its > > own > > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous > > mail. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details > > so > > > > > > that > > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is middle > > of > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what > > I > > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any > > event > > > > > > from > > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, > > or it > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of > > the D > > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that through > > KP, > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others > > cannot > > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning out > > the > > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other > > work > > > > > > also > > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean > > that > > > > > > the > > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology or > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to any > > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through D > > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so > > that we > > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable > > dish > > > > > > from > > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, > > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†> > 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÂ\ ¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the > > matter > > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†> > 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÂ\ ¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > > definitely > > > > > > come > > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be > > even > > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction though > > I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors > > for > > > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology (AT) (DOT) > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the normal > > > > > > family > > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a > > problem. > > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. > > BUT > > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this > > Group, > > > > > > where > > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and > > also > > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from > > you in > > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D > > Charts > > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the > > Natal > > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put > > on > > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 Examples > > even > > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve > > the > > > > > > food > > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology (AT) (DOT) > > > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument > > where > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm > > what is > > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. > > In > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > > confirmation > > > > > > in > > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into > > what > > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But aspects > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I > > already > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > study > > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which uses > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > have > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to > > study > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is > > not > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to learn > > from > > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions > > and > > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > > astrology > > > > > > does > > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the > > same > > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide > > the > > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one > > cannot > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > > 24 > > > > > > > Chart. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I > > would > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology (AT) (DOT) > > > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument > > where > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what > > is > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > fact > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into > > what > > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But > > aspects > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > study > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which > > uses > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > astrologers > > > > > > have > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > > > > predicts > > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to > > study > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is > > not > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can > > not > > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a > > group of > > > > > > at > > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements in > > the > > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional astrology > > does > > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same > > window. > > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one > > cannot > > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > > 24 > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration > > on > > > > > > how > > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts > > shall > > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can > > read D-1 > > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in > > the > > > > > > group > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they > > are > > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > > logical > > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let > > us > > > > > > take > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to > > 2000 > > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window and > > may > > > > > > be > > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at D-24, > > if > > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it > > has > > > > > > to > > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days > > back. > > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > > consider > > > > > > what > > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. > > KP is > > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without > > going > > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept > > in D > > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. > > Please > > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the > > normal > > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > > children is > > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all > > the > > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using > > Natal > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > > goodself > > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one > > has > > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the > > Natal > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > > sapthamsa or > > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will be > > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > > Father. > > > > > > So > > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home and > > are > > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first > > see how > > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son > > with > > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > > confirmations > > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > > searching > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also true. > > If > > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > > > > different > > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I > > shot. > > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D Charts. > > I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 > > years > > > > > > ago, > > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I am > > not > > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same. Like to change > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This > > makes > > > > > > it > > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > > searching > > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and > > one > > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > > encourage > > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. > > I > > > > > > want > > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > > advance. > > > > > > SO > > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them > > to > > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the > > other > > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a birth > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not > > saying > > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group > > to > > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I have > > gone > > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > > comments > > > > > > on > > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters for > > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can > > you > > > > > > show > > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the D > > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in > > every > > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start > > talking > > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal > > balls > > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to > > say > > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > predictions, in > > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > > negating > > > > > > this > > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > > wheres > > > > > > the > > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and > > D > > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of > > every > > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras talk > > of > > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas > > or > > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about identifying > > an > > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope > > that > > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart > > which > > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual > > charts > > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict > > when > > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem > > of > > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, > > and > > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never > > find > > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in > > any > > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman > > in > > > > > > one > > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha etc. > > are > > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the > > points > > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > > recall as > > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does > > not > > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who > > can > > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even if > > one > > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give correct > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Dear Mr. Dev,Has Mr. Daruwlal produced some work or contributed in the field of study of Divisional Charts.If you continue with the practice of picking things at Random; Chances are there, you may strike gold.Logic - Band Ghadhi Bhi Din Mein Do Dafa Sahi Samay Dikhati Hai.Even a dead watch hands show exact time two times in 24 hours. RegardsKulbir BainsLalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb Sent: Sat, 13 February, 2010 10:05:03 AMRe: Re: SRILANKA Sir, The topic being discussed is not my field. I just got anxious to know as to what greatness did your goodself saw in Mr. Daruwala. RegardsKulbir Bains axeplex <axeplex >ancient_indian_ astrologySat, 13 February, 2010 9:38:58 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA No, Kulbirji, it is not so. I was looking for some name and he is the most famous name that came in to my mind.In reality, it could be even you, if you can convince me. (offcourse logically)regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Dev ji,> So Mr. Bejan Daruwala is the most authentic astrologer in your belief.>  Regards> Kulbir Bains > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> axeplex <axeplex >> ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com> Sat, 13 February, 2010 2:16:12 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> >  > She missed on 9th in natal chart and in 9th in natal chart, it does not indicate what native attained.> > May be your Guru would have taught you about 8th but I shall experiment it from side. I don't accept anything because someone says it, even if he is Bejan Daruwala.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > Sivaji and myself have both commented only after reading your analysis.> > > > My purpose of commenting afterwards was just to show, that this is seen> > from the Natal Chart itself. So who says that this cannot be seen from> > the Natal Chart ?> > > > I had seen Soniaji's comments much before you accepted . And I was very> > happy to read that she was on the right track. Normal people would not> > be able to associate the 8th house with technical, is what I marvelled> > when I read her analysis.> > > > The 8th house is connected to technical is something which you would not> > know having studied what you did. This is not taught in the normal> > courses.. It only comes from a Guru. And a practical and experienced Guru> > who knows all methods of approaching a chart.> > > > I was not here to appear for any tests, which is why I did not comment> > before. In fact I wanted you to ,and still want you to show on the new> > charts coming on board, how to determine profession and other matters> > from D Charts.> > > > Neelamji has provided a start.> > > > Why not try those charts and show the actual potential of the study and> > knowledge of application you have about D Charts.> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji,> > >> > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit.> > >> > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji> > put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her> > efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house> > rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education,> > which was not.. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I> > revealed the details.> > >> > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination. // This is new> > thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment> > it in some charts before I can comment on this.> > >> > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher> > studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by> > Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies.> > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th> > lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very> > well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also> > in 9th in D-24.> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "siva"> > sarasalai_siva@ wrote:> > > >> > > > || om namo narayana ||> > > >> > > > Namaskar list,> > > >> > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother )> > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father> > ).> > > >> > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th> > sign cancer.> > > >> > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has> > mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field.> > > >> > > > siva> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts> > can> > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal> > > > > Charts ?> > > > >> > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict> > even one> > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart.> > > > >> > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use> > of the> > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology.. So> > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make> > utterly no> > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just> > needs> > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with> > the D> > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to> > show> > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to> > ephasise> > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there,> > but> > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ?> > There> > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups.. Show> > me one> > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the> > future> > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important> > otherwise> > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is> > failure> > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are> > failures> > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view> > or> > > > > thought ?> > > > >> > > > > best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > >> > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be> > confirmed> > > > > from> > > > > > the Natal Chart.> > > > > >> > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House.. Mars and Rahu show> > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical> > studies> > > > > and> > > > > > inclinations.> > > > > >> > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need> > the> > > > > other> > > > > > charts to look from ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Please explain.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > axeplex@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Soniaji and all,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details.> > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am> > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all> > > > > before> > > > > > jupiter dasa.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along> > with> > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > axeplex@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th> > and> > > > > 2nd> > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is> > > > > learning,> > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education. Both> > 4th and> > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get> > the> > > > > > education but education is 4th.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> > Mehdiratta> > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not> > > > > exactly> > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning.> > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other> > significances of> > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been> > > > > discussed> > > > > > in Bhawan many times. I am sure you must be getting results from> > 4th> > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks> > for> > > > > the> > > > > > information.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period.> > Hope> > > > > it> > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc.> > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is> > for> > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted> > till> > > > > > bachelors.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other> > > > > members> > > > > > don't seem interested.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia> > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ....> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take.> > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that> > from> > > > > 2nd> > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked> > with> > > > > > 5th. And> > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 '> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not> > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting> > connected> > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention.> > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of> > education> > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth> > > > > houses> > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education.> > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently> > running> > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it> > > > > reminds> > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein....> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth> > house> > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that> > from> > > > > 2nd> > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked> > with> > > > > > 5th.. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with> > sixth> > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and> > sixth> > > > > lord.> > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor..> > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i> > will> > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with> > nakshatra> > > > > > details. //> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous> > till> > > > > > Bachelors.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > Sonia> > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house> > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter.> > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with> > sixth> > > > > lord> > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun.> > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth> > lord.> > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it.> > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor.> > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then> > i> > > > > will> > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical.> > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with> > > > > nakshatra> > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn> > is> > > > > placed> > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon> > sign,> > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is> > debilitated,> > > > > but> > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this> > planetary> > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from> > Mercury> > > > > has> > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education> > should be> > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. //> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common?> > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house,> > having no> > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But> > Moon in> > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some> > disturbance> > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa> > starts> > > > > from> > > > > > Moon?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter> > will> > > > > be> > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus> > sign> > > > > lord> > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could> > also> > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for> > some> > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give> > some> > > > > change> > > > > > in educational stream.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as> > written in> > > > > > earlier mail.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may> > not be> > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into> > technical> > > > > > education and will do well.//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > Sonia> > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is> > > > > placed> > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon> > sign,> > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is> > debilitated,> > > > > but> > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this> > planetary> > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from> > Mercury> > > > > has> > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is> > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education> > should> > > > > be> > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha> > will> > > > > be> > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars.> > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow> > will> > > > > be> > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education.> > All> > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct> > connection> > > > > to> > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars> > in> > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in> > education, but> > > > > > overall dasha will be fine.> > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter> > will be> > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus> > sign> > > > > lord> > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could> > also> > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for> > some> > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give> > some> > > > > change> > > > > > in educational stream.> > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and> > Jupiter> > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on.> > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may> > not be> > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into> > technical> > > > > > education and will do well.> > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long> > mail.> > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its> > own> > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous> > mail.> > > > > I> > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details> > so> > > > > that> > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon> > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet> > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet> > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu> > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet> > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is> > middle of> > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi> > chart.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what> > I> > > > > > understood. That> > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person> > > > > specific.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any> > event> > > > > from> > > > > > the Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it,> > or it> > > > > > cannot be> > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of> > the D> > > > > > Charts to locate> > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that> > through KP,> > > > > > does not> > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others> > cannot> > > > > > notice it through> > > > > > > > > > > > > KP.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning> > out the> > > > > > why for every> > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum. Many have other> > work> > > > > also> > > > > > to do instead> > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean> > that> > > > > the> > > > > > chart has> > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology> > or KP.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to> > any> > > > > > system, but rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know> > > > > about.> > > > > > If for> > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through> > D> > > > > > Charts, then please> > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so> > that we> > > > > > can learn more> > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable> > dish> > > > > from> > > > > > Banana leaves> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that> > > > > vegetable> > > > > > cannot be> > > > > > > > > > > > > made> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > Suresh Awasthi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the> > matter> > > > > > with D-12, D1> > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > SRILANKA> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would> > definitely> > > > > come> > > > > > back in> > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be> > even> > > > > > three months.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to> > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction> > though I> > > > > have> > > > > > participated> > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors> > for> > > > > > Adoption". You> > > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12> > > > > strongly> > > > > > predicts the> > > > > > > > > > > > > case> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the> > normal> > > > > family> > > > > > Doctor who> > > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a> > problem.> > > > > > He does not> > > > > > > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him.> > BUT> > > > > > Sonography or an X> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already> > > > > suspected.> > > > > > This does not> > > > > > > > > > > > > mean> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this> > Group,> > > > > where> > > > > > 80% of the> > > > > > > > > > > > > times> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and> > also> > > > > > explained the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from> > you in> > > > > > this Group till> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D> > Charts> > > > > > and also> > > > > > > > > > > > > explain> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the> > Natal> > > > > > Chart on a> > > > > > > > > > > > > stand> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put> > on> > > > > > display all what> > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of> > > > > > illustrations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3> > Examples even> > > > > > if I give you a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve> > the> > > > > food> > > > > > here...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > > com, "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument> > where> > > > > > there is no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no> > > > > > opposition since it> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm> > what is> > > > > > seen in Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts.> > In> > > > > fact> > > > > > it is better> > > > > > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. . //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no> > confirmation> > > > > in> > > > > > D-chart? You> > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into> > what> > > > > > works, rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But> > aspects> > > > > > between> > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I> > already> > > > > wrote> > > > > > in one of my> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you> > study> > > > > > well, you will> > > > > > > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which> > uses> > > > > > Nakshtra level> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers> > have> > > > > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in> > same.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false.. It is not necessary to> > study> > > > > > the D Charts in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is> > not> > > > > > nessessary or> > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to> > learn from> > > > > > you. But> > > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions> > and> > > > > > does not need> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional> > astrology> > > > > does> > > > > > not teach us> > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the> > same> > > > > > window. What is the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the> > > > > Navamsha> > > > > > meant for ? //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2..5 that can divide> > the> > > > > > group to at> > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one> > cannot> > > > > > predict> > > > > > > > > > > > > education> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D> > 24> > > > > > Chart. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I> > would> > > > > learn> > > > > > but am anyday> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > > com, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument> > where> > > > > > there is no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what> > is> > > > > seen> > > > > > in Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In> > fact> > > > > it> > > > > > is better if> > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into> > what> > > > > > works, rather than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But> > aspects> > > > > > between> > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you> > study> > > > > well,> > > > > > you will> > > > > > > > > > > > > realise> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which> > uses> > > > > > Nakshtra level> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day> > astrologers> > > > > have> > > > > > forgotten to> > > > > > > > > > > > > use,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in> > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone> > > > > predicts> > > > > > education, it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to> > study> > > > > > the D Charts in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is> > not> > > > > > nessessary or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict> > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can> > not> > > > > > ignore D-chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a> > group of> > > > > at> > > > > > least 1000 to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements> > in the> > > > > > ASC window and> > > > > > > > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. //> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional> > astrology does> > > > > > not teach us to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same> > window.> > > > > > What is the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant> > for ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one> > cannot> > > > > > predict education> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D> > 24> > > > > > Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration> > on> > > > > how> > > > > > to calculate> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts> > shall> > > > > > be studied in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can> > read D-1> > > > > > also. Basic> > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in> > the> > > > > group> > > > > > are more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they> > are> > > > > > wrong. Everyone> > > > > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also> > logical> > > > > > here. And when it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let> > us> > > > > take> > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to> > 2000> > > > > > people born with> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window> > and may> > > > > be> > > > > > even more if> > > > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at> > D-24, if> > > > > > someone predicts> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is> > illogical.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it> > has> > > > > to> > > > > > exist. We had> > > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days> > back.> > > > > > Whatever concept> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to> > consider> > > > > what> > > > > > works. Rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras..> > KP is> > > > > > not written in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without> > going> > > > > > through a> > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept> > in D> > > > > > Charts without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart.> > Please> > > > > > tell me how can> > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the> > normal> > > > > > MBBS Degree.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the> > children is> > > > > > born. Its> > > > > > > > > > > > > always> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all> > the> > > > > > members here too,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using> > Natal> > > > > > Chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your> > goodself> > > > > > suggested, but> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach> > > > > > actually, instead its> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one> > has> > > > > > taken to approach> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the> > Natal> > > > > chart> > > > > > for say the> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the> > sapthamsa or> > > > > > what one> > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will> > be> > > > > > conformed from the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D> > > > > Charts> > > > > > can be done in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a> > Father.> > > > > So> > > > > > if you want to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home> > and are> > > > > > going to meet> > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first> > see how> > > > > > her Father is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart),> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son> > with> > > > > > that Girl> > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with> > confirmations> > > > > > from the D> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of> > searching> > > > > it.> > > > > > Just to add> > > > > > > > > > > > > on to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also> > true.. If> > > > > > someone is adept> > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that> > > > > > difficult since there> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of> > > > > different> > > > > > factors only> > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > astrology@> > > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I> > shot.> > > > > > Nobody will find> > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D> > Charts. I> > > > > have> > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2> > years> > > > > ago,> > > > > > where I was> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process> > > > > rummaged> > > > > > through all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I> > am not> > > > > > standing in> > > > > > > > > > > > > support,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same.. Like to> > change> > > > > sides> > > > > > and switch> > > > > > > > > > > > > over to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This> > makes> > > > > it> > > > > > enjoyable.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother> > searching> > > > > > for this. You> > > > > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and> > one> > > > > > Line, which I will> > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to> > encourage> > > > > > astrologers in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts.> > I> > > > > want> > > > > > them to learn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in> > advance.> > > > > SO> > > > > > my efforts are> > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them> > to> > > > > > connect what has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in> > > > > > predicting from the> > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the> > other> > > > > > Charts. In fact> > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a> > birth> > > > > chart> > > > > > in hand or> > > > > > > > > > > > > with no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > astrology@> > > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not> > saying> > > > > > to compare KP> > > > > > > > > > > > > sub> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong> > > > > > comparison. I was> > > > > > > > > > > > > saying,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group> > to> > > > > > reach the> > > > > > > > > > > > > individual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in> > > > > D-charts,> > > > > > I don't know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > astrology@> > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail> > > > > properly.> > > > > > Nowhere have> > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I> > have gone> > > > > > through the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making> > comments> > > > > on> > > > > > same. So I am> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any> > > > > > statement and normally> > > > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters> > for> > > > > > anybody to argue or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can> > you> > > > > show> > > > > > me any shloka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the> > D> > > > > > Charts. I have put> > > > > > > > > > > > > up> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour> > > > > > existence of D Charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in> > every> > > > > > mail please,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start> > talking> > > > > > about Tarot> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal> > balls> > > > > > and this will> > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to> > say> > > > > > that just as> > > > > > > > > > > > > people> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute> > predictions, in> > > > > > same way the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is> > negating> > > > > this> > > > > > ? I am not.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Who> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So> > wheres> > > > > the> > > > > > issue about> > > > > > > > > > > > > this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and> > D> > > > > > Charts, but thats a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of> > every> > > > > > planetwith D> > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > astrology@> > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras> > talk of> > > > > > divisions. Though> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some> > > > > indications> > > > > > are there in> > > > > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts.. To> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas> > or> > > > > > virtual D-chart or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about> > identifying an> > > > > > individual in the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for> > > > > > selecting an option in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses> > > > > keyboard> > > > > > but results> > > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope> > that> > > > > > divides whole> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart> > which> > > > > > divides the crowd> > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual> > charts> > > > > > and sub/> > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict> > when> > > > > > somone approaches> > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind> > > > > charts,> > > > > > divisions are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > > > astrology@ .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem> > of> > > > > > Charts , in books> > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam,> > and> > > > > > relating the Life> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never> > find> > > > > > the mention of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in> > any> > > > > > Shastra. If any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant> > shloka.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman> > in> > > > > one> > > > > > of his books,> > > > > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha> > etc. are> > > > > > not to be> > > > > > > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the> > points> > > > > > of influence> > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can> > recall as> > > > > > the meaning).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does> > not> > > > > > matter in aspects,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who> > can> > > > > > read the> > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in> > > > > > Divisional Charts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even> > if one> > > > > > reads the chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give> > correct> > > > > > predictions.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best> > wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Now, what is your problem? Neither that mail was marked to you nor Bejan Daruwala was compared to knowing Divisional charts in that mail because that mail was not related to divisional chart. If you have enmity with Daruwala, it is your problem. //Logic - Band Ghadhi Bhi Din Mein Do Dafa Sahi Samay Dikhati Hai.// I liked it and I also mean the same thing. regds Dev , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Dear Mr. Dev, > Has Mr. Daruwlal produced some work or contributed in the field of study of Divisional Charts. > If you continue with the practice of picking things at Random; Chances are there, you may strike gold. > Logic - Band Ghadhi Bhi Din Mein Do Dafa Sahi Samay Dikhati Hai. > Even a dead watch hands show exact time two times in 24 hours. > Regards > Kulbir Bains > > > > > ________________________________ > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb > > Sat, 13 February, 2010 10:05:03 AM > Re: Re: SRILANKA > > > Sir, > The topic being discussed is not my field. > I just got anxious to know as to what greatness did your goodself saw in Mr. Daruwala. > Regards > Kulbir Bains > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sat, 13 February, 2010 9:38:58 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > No, Kulbirji, it is not so. I was looking for some name and he is the most famous name that came in to my mind. > > In reality, it could be even you, if you can convince me. (offcourse logically) > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > So Mr. Bejan Daruwala is the most authentic astrologer in your belief. > >  Regards > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sat, 13 February, 2010 2:16:12 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > >  > > She missed on 9th in natal chart and in 9th in natal chart, it does not indicate what native attained. > > > > May be your Guru would have taught you about 8th but I shall experiment it from side. I don't accept anything because someone says it, even if he is Bejan Daruwala. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sivaji and myself have both commented only after reading your analysis. > > > > > > My purpose of commenting afterwards was just to show, that this is seen > > > from the Natal Chart itself. So who says that this cannot be seen from > > > the Natal Chart ? > > > > > > I had seen Soniaji's comments much before you accepted . And I was very > > > happy to read that she was on the right track. Normal people would not > > > be able to associate the 8th house with technical, is what I marvelled > > > when I read her analysis. > > > > > > The 8th house is connected to technical is something which you would not > > > know having studied what you did. This is not taught in the normal > > > courses.. It only comes from a Guru. And a practical and experienced Guru > > > who knows all methods of approaching a chart. > > > > > > I was not here to appear for any tests, which is why I did not comment > > > before. In fact I wanted you to ,and still want you to show on the new > > > charts coming on board, how to determine profession and other matters > > > from D Charts. > > > > > > Neelamji has provided a start. > > > > > > Why not try those charts and show the actual potential of the study and > > > knowledge of application you have about D Charts. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > > > > > > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji > > > put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her > > > efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house > > > rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, > > > which was not.. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I > > > revealed the details. > > > > > > > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination. // This is new > > > thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment > > > it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > > > > > > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher > > > studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by > > > Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > > > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th > > > lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very > > > well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also > > > in 9th in D-24. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " siva " > > > sarasalai_siva@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > > > > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father > > > ). > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th > > > sign cancer. > > > > > > > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has > > > mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts > > > can > > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict > > > even one > > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use > > > of the > > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology.. So > > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make > > > utterly no > > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just > > > needs > > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with > > > the D > > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to > > > show > > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to > > > ephasise > > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, > > > but > > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? > > > There > > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups.. Show > > > me one > > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > > > future > > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > > > otherwise > > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is > > > failure > > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are > > > failures > > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view > > > or > > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > > > confirmed > > > > > > from > > > > > > > the Natal Chart.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House.. Mars and Rahu show > > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > > > studies > > > > > > and > > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need > > > the > > > > > > other > > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > > > > before > > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along > > > with > > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th > > > and > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > > > > learning, > > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education.. Both > > > 4th and > > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get > > > the > > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > > significances of > > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > in Bhawan many times.. I am sure you must be getting results from > > > 4th > > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .. com > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. > > > Hope > > > > > > it > > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is > > > for > > > > > > > intelligence. There is no break in education as you predicted > > > till > > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > > > > members > > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > > from > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > > with > > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > > > connected > > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > > > education > > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently > > > running > > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > > > > reminds > > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > > house > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > > from > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > > with > > > > > > > 5th.. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > > sixth > > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > > sixth > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.. > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > > will > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous > > > till > > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > Sonia > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > > sixth > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > > lord. > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then > > > i > > > > > > will > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn > > > is > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > > sign, > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > debilitated, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > planetary > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > Mercury > > > > > > has > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > > should be > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, > > > having no > > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But > > > Moon in > > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > > > disturbance > > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > > > starts > > > > > > from > > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > > sign > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > > also > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > > some > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > > some > > > > > > change > > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as > > > written in > > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may > > > not be > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > technical > > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > Sonia > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > > sign, > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > debilitated, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > planetary > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > Mercury > > > > > > has > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > > > should > > > > > > be > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. > > > All > > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > > > connection > > > > > > to > > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars > > > in > > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > > > education, but > > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > > will be > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > > sign > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > > also > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > > some > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > > some > > > > > > change > > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may > > > not be > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > technical > > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long > > > mail. > > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its > > > own > > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous > > > mail. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details > > > so > > > > > > that > > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is > > > middle of > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what > > > I > > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any > > > event > > > > > > from > > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, > > > or it > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of > > > the D > > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that > > > through KP, > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others > > > cannot > > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning > > > out the > > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum.. Many have other > > > work > > > > > > also > > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean > > > that > > > > > > the > > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology > > > or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to > > > any > > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through > > > D > > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so > > > that we > > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable > > > dish > > > > > > from > > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the > > > matter > > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > > > definitely > > > > > > come > > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be > > > even > > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction > > > though I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest " Factors > > > for > > > > > > > Adoption " . You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the > > > normal > > > > > > family > > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a > > > problem. > > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. > > > BUT > > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this > > > Group, > > > > > > where > > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and > > > also > > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from > > > you in > > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D > > > Charts > > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the > > > Natal > > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put > > > on > > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 > > > Examples even > > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve > > > the > > > > > > food > > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > com, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument > > > where > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm > > > what is > > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. > > > In > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. . // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > > > confirmation > > > > > > in > > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into > > > what > > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But > > > aspects > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I > > > already > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > > study > > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which > > > uses > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > > have > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to > > > study > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is > > > not > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to > > > learn from > > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions > > > and > > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > > > astrology > > > > > > does > > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the > > > same > > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2.5 that can divide > > > the > > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one > > > cannot > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > > > 24 > > > > > > > Chart.. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I > > > would > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > com, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument > > > where > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what > > > is > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > > fact > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into > > > what > > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But > > > aspects > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > > study > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which > > > uses > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > astrologers > > > > > > have > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > > > > predicts > > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to > > > study > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is > > > not > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can > > > not > > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a > > > group of > > > > > > at > > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements > > > in the > > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional > > > astrology does > > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same > > > window. > > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant > > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one > > > cannot > > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > > > 24 > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration > > > on > > > > > > how > > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts > > > shall > > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can > > > read D-1 > > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in > > > the > > > > > > group > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they > > > are > > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > > > logical > > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let > > > us > > > > > > take > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > 2000 > > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window > > > and may > > > > > > be > > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at > > > D-24, if > > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it > > > has > > > > > > to > > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days > > > back. > > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > > > consider > > > > > > what > > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. > > > KP is > > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without > > > going > > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept > > > in D > > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. > > > Please > > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the > > > normal > > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > > > children is > > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all > > > the > > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using > > > Natal > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > > > goodself > > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one > > > has > > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the > > > Natal > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > > > sapthamsa or > > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will > > > be > > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > > > Father. > > > > > > So > > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home > > > and are > > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first > > > see how > > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son > > > with > > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > > > confirmations > > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > > > searching > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also > > > true. If > > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > > > > different > > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I > > > shot. > > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D > > > Charts. I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 > > > years > > > > > > ago, > > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I > > > am not > > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same.. Like to > > > change > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This > > > makes > > > > > > it > > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > > > searching > > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and > > > one > > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > > > encourage > > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. > > > I > > > > > > want > > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > > > advance. > > > > > > SO > > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them > > > to > > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the > > > other > > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a > > > birth > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > .. com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not > > > saying > > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group > > > to > > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I > > > have gone > > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > > > comments > > > > > > on > > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters > > > for > > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can > > > you > > > > > > show > > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the > > > D > > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in > > > every > > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start > > > talking > > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal > > > balls > > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to > > > say > > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > > predictions, in > > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > > > negating > > > > > > this > > > > > > > ? I am not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > > > wheres > > > > > > the > > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and > > > D > > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of > > > every > > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras > > > talk of > > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts.. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas > > > or > > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > > identifying an > > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope > > > that > > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart > > > which > > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual > > > charts > > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict > > > when > > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem > > > of > > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, > > > and > > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never > > > find > > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in > > > any > > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman > > > in > > > > > > one > > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha > > > etc. are > > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the > > > points > > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > > > recall as > > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does > > > not > > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who > > > can > > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even > > > if one > > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give > > > correct > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best > > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Dear Dev,My problem is that i am learning from you all.When you throw a name at random i have to find out about him.This wastes my time. RegardsKulbir Bainsaxeplex <axeplex Sent: Sun, 14 February, 2010 12:26:32 AM Re: SRILANKA Now, what is your problem? Neither that mail was marked to you nor Bejan Daruwala was compared to knowing Divisional charts in that mail because that mail was not related to divisional chart. If you have enmity with Daruwala, it is your problem. //Logic - Band Ghadhi Bhi Din Mein Do Dafa Sahi Samay Dikhati Hai.// I liked it and I also mean the same thing. regds Dev ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ....> wrote: > > Dear Mr. Dev, > Has Mr. Daruwlal produced some work or contributed in the field of study of Divisional Charts. > If you continue with the practice of picking things at Random; Chances are there, you may strike gold. > Logic - Band Ghadhi Bhi Din Mein Do Dafa Sahi Samay Dikhati Hai. > Even a dead watch hands show exact time two times in 24 hours. > Regards > Kulbir Bains > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sat, 13 February, 2010 10:05:03 AM > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > Sir, > The topic being discussed is not my field. > I just got anxious to know as to what greatness did your goodself saw in Mr. Daruwala. > Regards > Kulbir Bains > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > axeplex <axeplex > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sat, 13 February, 2010 9:38:58 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > No, Kulbirji, it is not so. I was looking for some name and he is the most famous name that came in to my mind. > > In reality, it could be even you, if you can convince me. (offcourse logically) > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > So Mr. Bejan Daruwala is the most authentic astrologer in your belief. > >  Regards > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sat, 13 February, 2010 2:16:12 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > >  > > She missed on 9th in natal chart and in 9th in natal chart, it does not indicate what native attained. > > > > May be your Guru would have taught you about 8th but I shall experiment it from side. I don't accept anything because someone says it, even if he is Bejan Daruwala. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sivaji and myself have both commented only after reading your analysis. > > > > > > My purpose of commenting afterwards was just to show, that this is seen > > > from the Natal Chart itself. So who says that this cannot be seen from > > > the Natal Chart ? > > > > > > I had seen Soniaji's comments much before you accepted . And I was very > > > happy to read that she was on the right track. Normal people would not > > > be able to associate the 8th house with technical, is what I marvelled > > > when I read her analysis. > > > > > > The 8th house is connected to technical is something which you would not > > > know having studied what you did. This is not taught in the normal > > > courses.. It only comes from a Guru. And a practical and experienced Guru > > > who knows all methods of approaching a chart. > > > > > > I was not here to appear for any tests, which is why I did not comment > > > before. In fact I wanted you to ,and still want you to show on the new > > > charts coming on board, how to determine profession and other matters > > > from D Charts. > > > > > > Neelamji has provided a start. > > > > > > Why not try those charts and show the actual potential of the study and > > > knowledge of application you have about D Charts. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, Soniaji and Sivaji, > > > > > > > > Sivaji has nicely analysed a bit. > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, in your analysis, you more or less said same what Soniaji > > > put in her analysis before I revealed the details. Kudos to her and her > > > efforts. She analysed in a logical manner though emphasized on 5th house > > > rather than 4th. But she arrived at there would be break in education, > > > which was not.. I would have loved you to put your 2 minutes before I > > > revealed the details. > > > > > > > > //4th in 8th shows technical education or inclination. // This is new > > > thing for me as I have never come across such thing and would experiment > > > it in some charts before I can comment on this. > > > > > > > > You missed 9th house in your analysis which is studied for higher > > > studies. In natal chart, though it gives indication of engineering by > > > Mars, it does not show education of that level w.r.t higher studies. > > > > If you see D-24, 4th and 9th lord are together in 9th house and 4th > > > lord and 9th lord, both are strong. With MArs in 9th in D-24, it very > > > well indicates engineering. Lord of 9th of natal is Mercury that is also > > > in 9th in D-24. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "siva" > > > sarasalai_siva@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || om namo narayana || > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar list, > > > > > > > > > > First mother teaches the child ( 4 H mother ) > > > > > Then father teaches the child ( 9H is for higher education /father > > > ). > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is for all knowledge and exalated in the Kala Purusha's 4th > > > sign cancer. > > > > > > > > > > 30 -Sep 1971 8:25 AM Bombay. In his chart in D-24 - 9th house has > > > mars, in own house. Clearly shows engineering field. > > > > > > > > > > siva > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now shall I place some D24 charts on Board, so that the Experts > > > can > > > > > > comment on same and predict from same, without access to the Natal > > > > > > Charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I can place 10 Charts, and I doubt if anybody can eveny predict > > > even one > > > > > > of them properly to the mark without help from the Natal Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > I once again confirm to the ignorants that KP is nothing but use > > > of the > > > > > > Nakshatras which is the inetgral part of Traditional astrology.. So > > > > > > anybody foolishly trying to equate it with the D Charts make > > > utterly no > > > > > > sense, or nonsense. KP does not even need the Natal Chart. It just > > > needs > > > > > > the planetary degrees and positions. So how can one equate it with > > > the D > > > > > > Charts ? Why this resentment towards KP, and why trying always to > > > show > > > > > > that KP is different method ? Why always bringing in KP just to > > > ephasise > > > > > > the importance of D Charts, which importance we all know is there, > > > but > > > > > > how many have actually used D Charts for predicting for future ? > > > There > > > > > > must be more than 5 Lakhs postings on these Jyotish Groups.. Show > > > me one > > > > > > example of any astrologer who has been seen predicting for the > > > future > > > > > > from D Charts. And these people are saying its very important > > > otherwise > > > > > > just looking at Natal Chart and predicting may fail . If this is > > > failure > > > > > > then it means all these astrologers working on these Groups are > > > failures > > > > > > and must have done wrong predictions ? Is this a digestable view > > > or > > > > > > thought ? > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity asking you, what is that cannot be > > > confirmed > > > > > > from > > > > > > > the Natal Chart.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education is to be seen from the 5th House.. Mars and Rahu show > > > > > > > Engioneering, Metals, Boilers, frunaces etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lord of the 4th is in the 8th, which confirms technical > > > studies > > > > > > and > > > > > > > inclinations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is that, cannot be seen from the Natal Chart but we need > > > the > > > > > > other > > > > > > > charts to look from ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now since nobody is trying, I would reveal the details. > > > > > > > > DoB: 30-09-1971, Place is Mumbai, Time is 8:25 am > > > > > > > > Native did engineering and further did masters as well but all > > > > > > before > > > > > > > jupiter dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can easily read D-24 or use D-24 Amsas or apply KP along > > > with > > > > > > > native chart now and arrive at result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two theories on this. One set of people follow 4th > > > and > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > set 5th. 5th is for learning, Yes, as per Prasara but what is > > > > > > learning, > > > > > > > it is capability, intelligence. 4th is formal education.. Both > > > 4th and > > > > > > > 5th are seen to judge that person has capability or not to get > > > the > > > > > > > education but education is 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > Mehdiratta > > > > > > > <sonia_mehdiratta@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing about formal education and intelligence is not > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > as you have written. Fifth house is for learning. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to chapter 13 of BPHS. Among other > > > significances of > > > > > > > fifth house is learning.It is a debatable subject and has been > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > in Bhawan many times.. I am sure you must be getting results from > > > 4th > > > > > > > house but i have my own observations in this matter. Well thanks > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . . com > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 9:18:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did engineering but studied nothing in Jupiter period. > > > Hope > > > > > > it > > > > > > > answers your other questions related to Jupiter aspecing Sa etc. > > > > > > > > > > By the way, formal education is from 4th house and 5th is > > > for > > > > > > > intelligence.. There is no break in education as you predicted > > > till > > > > > > > bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want to try more or I shall close this. Anyway, other > > > > > > members > > > > > > > don't seem interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell me what line of education did he take. > > > > > > > > > > > 'Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > > from > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > > with > > > > > > > 5th. And > > > > > > > > > > > also there is no Dasa till 2004 ' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is aspecting fifth lord Saturn, so how is it not > > > > > > > directly linked? When we are seeing the houses/lords getting > > > connected > > > > > > > to fifth house/lord, this certainly needs a mention. > > > > > > > > > > > Sir dashas will definitely influence the quality of > > > education > > > > > > > and its type. But repeated connection of fifth, sixth and eighth > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > in this horoscope will certainly have its say in his education. > > > > > > > > > > > What did he do after Bachelors? Since he is currently > > > running > > > > > > > the dasha of Jupiter, mutually aspecting fifth lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 3:17:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a song with Sonia and moment I read your name, it > > > > > > reminds > > > > > > > me that. .... Lighter vein.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth > > > house > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, 6th lord Ju is involved but it is aspect and that > > > from > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > house, 6th shall not come in picture, Ju is not directly linked > > > with > > > > > > > 5th.. And also there is no Dasa till 2004 // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > > sixth > > > > > > > lord Mercury and eighth lord Sun. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true, conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and > > > sixth > > > > > > lord. > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th is Valid if Sa Dasa is involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // That is how i mentioned the common factor.. > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then i > > > will > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > details. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no disturbance in education. It was continuous > > > till > > > > > > > Bachelors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > Sonia > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From lagna fifth lord Saturn is placed in eighth house > > > > > > > aspected by sixth lord Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > From Moon, fifth lord is Venus placed in ninth with > > > sixth > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > Mercury and eighth lord Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > From Mercury ( significator) Saturn is fifth and sixth > > > lord. > > > > > > > Eighth lord from Mercury is Mars, placed in fifth from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how i mentioned the common factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly give me the feed back about his education, then > > > i > > > > > > will > > > > > > > share other point- technical or non technical. > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this analysis before you posted that mail with > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 11 February, 2010 2:39:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soniaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn > > > is > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > > sign, > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > debilitated, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > planetary > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > Mercury > > > > > > has > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house lords.Education > > > should be > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come 5th, 6th and 8th is common? > > > > > > > > > > > > On what basis, you are saying technical education? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // All these planets are placed in fourth house, > > > having no > > > > > > > direct connection to fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But > > > Moon in > > > > > > > own sign, Mars in exaltation sign, will although give some > > > disturbance > > > > > > > in education, but overall dasha will be fine.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall I consider this or not after I told you Dasa > > > starts > > > > > > from > > > > > > > Moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > > sign > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > > also > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > > some > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > > some > > > > > > change > > > > > > > in educational stream.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate since Dasa starts from Moon as > > > written in > > > > > > > earlier mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // In matters of education i feel initial period may > > > not be > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > technical > > > > > > > education and will do well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shall come back on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > Sonia > > > > > > > Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we just see the basic chart, fifth lord Saturn is > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in eighth house in friendly sign, aspected by Jupiter.From Moon > > > sign, > > > > > > > Capricorn, fifth house has Saturn. Fifth lord Venus is > > > debilitated, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > with exalted Mercury and Sun, no planet is aspecting this > > > planetary > > > > > > > conjunction. Mercury is in exaltation sign, fifth house from > > > Mercury > > > > > > has > > > > > > > exalted Mars, Rahu and Moon. Common factor from these three is > > > > > > > combination of fifth, sixth and eighth house/lords. Education > > > should > > > > > > be > > > > > > > technical, with breaks/changes. Moon in Capricorn, Balance dasha > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > either Sun, Moon or Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Broadly if he gets Sun balance, then dasha to follow > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > Moon , Mars and Rahu when he will complete his formal education. > > > All > > > > > > > these planets are placed in fourth house, having no direct > > > connection > > > > > > to > > > > > > > fifth house or fifth lord from lagna. But Moon in own sign, Mars > > > in > > > > > > > exaltation sign, will although give some disturbance in > > > education, but > > > > > > > overall dasha will be fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Balance is of Moon, then Mars, Rahu and Jupiter > > > will be > > > > > > > broadly giving him education and will shape his career. Rahus > > > sign > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > is Saturn placed in eighth house, aspected by Jupiter, he could > > > also > > > > > > > take up some educational stream where he will have to sit for > > > some > > > > > > > competitive exams. Both Jupiter and Rahu mahadashas can give > > > some > > > > > > change > > > > > > > in educational stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If dasha balance is of Mars then also Rahu and > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > mahadashas will be the ones we need to focus on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In matters of education i feel initial period may > > > not be > > > > > > > very promising but later in life, he will certainly get into > > > technical > > > > > > > education and will do well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your inputs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 10 February, 2010 6:57:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this, sir. When you explain, you write a long > > > mail. > > > > > > > Personally, I never said anything on KP since it already has its > > > own > > > > > > > divisions. Anyway, I already closed the argument in my previous > > > mail. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > am presenting here the first chart for discussionon education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not giving birth details but planetary details > > > so > > > > > > that > > > > > > > neither D-chart nor Amsa nor KP is used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc - Libra - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd - Scorpio - Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd - Sag - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th - Capricorn - Ra, Ma, Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th - Aquarius - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th - Pisces - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th - Aries - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th - Taurus - Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th - Gemini - No planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th - Cancer - Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th - Leo - No Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th - Virgo - Sun, Venus, Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava chart (As per Vedic concept)where ASC is > > > middle of > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No change in any planet placement, same as Rasi > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This does not matter if one cannot understand what > > > I > > > > > > > understood. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail was given in general and not to any person > > > > > > specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually meant that if one cannot notice any > > > event > > > > > > from > > > > > > > the Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart does not mean that others cannot notice it, > > > or it > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed, or there is essentially the necessity of > > > the D > > > > > > > Charts to locate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that event. This is not right astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also meant that if one cannot notice that > > > through KP, > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neecessarily mean that KP is at fault or others > > > cannot > > > > > > > notice it through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot practically spend his time reasoning > > > out the > > > > > > > why for every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscope put here on the Forum.. Many have other > > > work > > > > > > also > > > > > > > to do instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of just engaging in this work. This does not mean > > > that > > > > > > the > > > > > > > chart has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed the norms of normal Traditional Astrology > > > or KP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I advice members not to show their aversions to > > > any > > > > > > > system, but rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend their time on sharing what they already know > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > If for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance they know more about predictions through > > > D > > > > > > > Charts, then please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up with the pointers regarding the same, so > > > that we > > > > > > > can learn more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how to predict through the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > > "axeplex" <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not understand what you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I have never leant to cook vegetable > > > dish > > > > > > from > > > > > > > Banana leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am imcompetent to do so, does not mean, that > > > > > > vegetable > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banana leaves, or others also cannot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com, > > > > > > > Suresh Awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshawasthi87@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I am agree with Dev Ji with finding the > > > matter > > > > > > > with D-12, D1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart made as K.P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows nothing .or I not able to identify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suresh awasthi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > > SRILANKA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am closing this argument. I would > > > definitely > > > > > > come > > > > > > > back in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know when. You said one month, it may be > > > even > > > > > > > three months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you call it, it does not matter to > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My aim in this group is not prediction > > > though I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > participated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many discussions including the latest "Factors > > > for > > > > > > > Adoption". You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read the second chart given there where D-12 > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > predicts the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 4th and 9th while D-1 does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP is specialisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional is normal MBBS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts is the Sonography.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Traditional Astroloegr is like the > > > normal > > > > > > family > > > > > > > Doctor who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you which part of your body is having a > > > problem. > > > > > > > He does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sonography for every visit you make him. > > > BUT > > > > > > > Sonography or an X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be used to confirm what he has already > > > > > > suspected. > > > > > > > This does not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one cannot predict from the D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must check my predictions in this > > > Group, > > > > > > where > > > > > > > 80% of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have not used KP, but used traditional and > > > also > > > > > > > explained the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen a single prediction from > > > you in > > > > > > > this Group till > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you make some predictions using the D > > > Charts > > > > > > > and also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that prediction cannot be made through the > > > Natal > > > > > > > Chart on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets stop this talking and please now put > > > on > > > > > > > display all what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been propogating uptil now.... by way of > > > > > > > illustrations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt if you could even get me 3 > > > Examples even > > > > > > > if I give you a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets not talk about recipes but serve > > > the > > > > > > food > > > > > > > here... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > com, "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Again we are furthering an argument > > > where > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can close the argument if there is no > > > > > > > opposition since it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unending discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I have already said that to confirm > > > what is > > > > > > > seen in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. > > > In > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > it is better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can read the D Chart in affirmations. . // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will you do if there is no > > > confirmation > > > > > > in > > > > > > > D-chart? You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignore D-1 or read it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Yes I agree , that we must look into > > > what > > > > > > > works, rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is written or not, in Shastras. But > > > aspects > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments on the aspect apart. I > > > already > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > in one of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > > study > > > > > > > well, you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a integral part of the Shastras, which > > > uses > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day astrologers > > > have > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > > same.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is false. It is not necessary to > > > study > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict for educations. In fact it is > > > not > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict well.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do that. I would like to > > > learn from > > > > > > > you. But > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bringing KP since KP already has divisions > > > and > > > > > > > does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Who says that our Traditional > > > astrology > > > > > > does > > > > > > > not teach us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher between many births within the > > > same > > > > > > > window. What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra system meant for ? What is the > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > > meant for ? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra divides by 2..5 that can divide > > > the > > > > > > > group to at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maximum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 800 people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // Please give us an example where one > > > cannot > > > > > > > predict > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > > > 24 > > > > > > > Chart.. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall come back on this. May be, I > > > would > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > but am anyday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > . > > > > > > > com, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again we are furthering an argument > > > where > > > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oppositions. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have already said that to confirm what > > > is > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > in Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theres > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing wrong to confirm D Charts. In > > > fact > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is better if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the D Chart in affirmations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I agree , that we must look into > > > what > > > > > > > works, rather than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written or not, in Shastras. But > > > aspects > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadows(Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts) does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again You brought in KP. KP if you > > > study > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integral part of the Shastras, which > > > uses > > > > > > > Nakshtra level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profusely, which present day > > > astrologers > > > > > > have > > > > > > > forgotten to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the intracasy and studies involved in > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Without looking at D-24, if someone > > > > > > predicts > > > > > > > education, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand well and is illogical.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is false. It is not necessary to > > > study > > > > > > > the D Charts in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predict for educations. In fact it is > > > not > > > > > > > nessessary or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandatory to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check D Charts in order to predict > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //And when it comes to logic, one can > > > not > > > > > > > ignore D-chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, there would have been a > > > group of > > > > > > at > > > > > > > least 1000 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born with the same planet placements > > > in the > > > > > > > ASC window and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more if we consider next day also. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says that our Traditional > > > astrology does > > > > > > > not teach us to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decipher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between many births within the same > > > window. > > > > > > > What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meant for ? What is the Navamsha meant > > > for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give us an example where one > > > cannot > > > > > > > predict education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart, but can do so from the D > > > 24 > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please can you show us an illustration > > > on > > > > > > how > > > > > > > to calculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D24 ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that natal and D-charts > > > shall > > > > > > > be studied in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said a guy who can read D-chart can > > > read D-1 > > > > > > > also. Basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. I am aware that many people in > > > the > > > > > > group > > > > > > > are more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natal chart. And I am not saying they > > > are > > > > > > > wrong. Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most of the people are also > > > logical > > > > > > > here. And when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic, one can not ignore D-chart. Let > > > us > > > > > > take > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been a group of at least 1000 to > > > 2000 > > > > > > > people born with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet placements in the ASC window > > > and may > > > > > > be > > > > > > > even more if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next day also. Without looking at > > > D-24, if > > > > > > > someone predicts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not stand well and is > > > illogical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether D-chart is used or Amsas, it > > > has > > > > > > to > > > > > > > exist. We had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion on Nadi astrology few days > > > back. > > > > > > > Whatever concept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, it stands because of Amsas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, sometimes we need to > > > consider > > > > > > what > > > > > > > works. Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking what is written in Shastras. > > > KP is > > > > > > > not written in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accepted since it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot have a child without > > > going > > > > > > > through a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suhaag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the pains of labour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same way, one cannot become adept > > > in D > > > > > > > Charts without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becoing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting from the Natal Chart. > > > Please > > > > > > > tell me how can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brain Surgeon without passing the > > > normal > > > > > > > MBBS Degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father cannot come after the > > > children is > > > > > > > born. Its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes first in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to , and am sure all > > > the > > > > > > > members here too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to predcit - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Using Natal Charts + D Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Only D Charts without using > > > Natal > > > > > > > Chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter option is what your > > > goodself > > > > > > > suggested, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no difference of approach > > > > > > > actually, instead its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation of approach which one > > > has > > > > > > > taken to approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart. What one notices in the > > > Natal > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > for say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will confirm that from the > > > sapthamsa or > > > > > > > what one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observes in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house from the Natal Chart, will > > > be > > > > > > > conformed from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how it goes, and no study of the D > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > can be done in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children cannot come without a > > > Father. > > > > > > So > > > > > > > if you want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter in law (D Charts) home > > > and are > > > > > > > going to meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prospective > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl for a match, you will first > > > see how > > > > > > > her Father is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then proceed to marry your son > > > with > > > > > > > that Girl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Combine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice in Natal Chart with > > > confirmations > > > > > > > from the D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > > > > > . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not even thinking of > > > searching > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > Just to add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have written, reverse is also > > > true. If > > > > > > > someone is adept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on natal chart is not that > > > > > > > difficult since there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of approach and consideration of > > > > > > different > > > > > > > factors only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > .. com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ace serve which I > > > shot. > > > > > > > Nobody will find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confirming aspects in D > > > Charts. I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exchanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mails on this issue about 2 > > > years > > > > > > ago, > > > > > > > where I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts, and in this process > > > > > > rummaged > > > > > > > through all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on D Charts. But this time I > > > am not > > > > > > > standing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support of same.. Like to > > > change > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > and switch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to play the next match...This > > > makes > > > > > > it > > > > > > > enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do not actually bother > > > searching > > > > > > > for this. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere, except one book and > > > one > > > > > > > Line, which I will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I do not want to > > > encourage > > > > > > > astrologers in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to aspects in D Charts. > > > I > > > > > > want > > > > > > > them to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forecasting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is predicting an event in > > > advance. > > > > > > SO > > > > > > > my efforts are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > students > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not make it easy for them > > > to > > > > > > > connect what has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be very much adept in > > > > > > > predicting from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving to predicting from the > > > other > > > > > > > Charts. In fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict even without a > > > birth > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > in hand or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > . . com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You misunderstood. I am not > > > saying > > > > > > > to compare KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D-charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Off course, that is a wrong > > > > > > > comparison. I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aim of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further divide the small group > > > to > > > > > > > reach the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, on aspect parts in > > > > > > D-charts, > > > > > > > I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read my last mail > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > Nowhere have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts do not exist. I > > > have gone > > > > > > > through the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies before making > > > comments > > > > > > on > > > > > > > same. So I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand whenever I make any > > > > > > > statement and normally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pockets in such matters > > > for > > > > > > > anybody to argue or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking, where can > > > you > > > > > > show > > > > > > > me any shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -couplet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects to be seen in the > > > D > > > > > > > Charts. I have put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the members and not abour > > > > > > > existence of D Charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well, are there... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And do not bring in KP in > > > every > > > > > > > mail please, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I wil, start > > > talking > > > > > > > about Tarot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jamini, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nadi, or Runes, or Crystal > > > balls > > > > > > > and this will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I belive you are trying to > > > say > > > > > > > that just as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs for minute > > > predictions, in > > > > > > > same way the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Traditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D Charts. But who is > > > negating > > > > > > this > > > > > > > ? I am not.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying so. So > > > wheres > > > > > > the > > > > > > > issue about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparision of KP Subs and > > > D > > > > > > > Charts, but thats a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must compare the antras of > > > every > > > > > > > planetwith D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > astrology@ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "axeplex" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All ancient shastras > > > talk of > > > > > > > divisions. Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written D-chart, some > > > > > > indications > > > > > > > are there in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts.. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether someone uses Amsas > > > or > > > > > > > virtual D-chart or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is all about > > > identifying an > > > > > > > individual in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user convenience e.g. for > > > > > > > selecting an option in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mouse and the other uses > > > > > > keyboard > > > > > > > but results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see Daily horoscope > > > that > > > > > > > divides whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12, do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied and read chart > > > which > > > > > > > divides the crowd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then these Amsas, virtual > > > charts > > > > > > > and sub/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small groups further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easy to predict > > > when > > > > > > > somone approaches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of D-1 only but for blind > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > divisions are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > > > > astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for postmartem > > > of > > > > > > > Charts , in books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri KN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao, Shri Santhanam, > > > and > > > > > > > relating the Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charts, one will never > > > find > > > > > > > the mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional Charts, in > > > any > > > > > > > Shastra. If any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the relevant > > > shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, Shri BV raman > > > in > > > > > > one > > > > > > > of his books, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicitly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that even Navamsha > > > etc. are > > > > > > > not to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planets, just the > > > points > > > > > > > of influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quoting what I can > > > recall as > > > > > > > the meaning). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My personal view does > > > not > > > > > > > matter in aspects, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are not many who > > > can > > > > > > > read the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking of aspects in > > > > > > > Divisional Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But to each his own, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does not matter even > > > if one > > > > > > > reads the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upisde > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is able to give > > > correct > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best > > > wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality.. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > > > Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Dear Neelam jithis is in response to data provided by youthe native born on 12 oct 1955.I feel the native is in medical profession, the reason is as followsthe house no 5 & 6 are well connected.Jupiter 5th lord is aspecting 6th houseMars 6th lord is aspecting 5th house, such combination i have observed many times in medical students charts.also jupiter(5th lord) is in Leo and its lord sun is with Mars(6th lord) associating 5th & 6th houses.not only this this but thru sudarshanchakra.from Moon, 5th lord is again Jupiter and is aspecting 5th house from moon and the 6th lord from moon i.e saturn is also aspecting 5th house from moon( connecting 5th & 6th houses).from Sun 5th and 6th lord is exalted saturn though its not aspecting 5 or 6th houses from sun but it is aspecting 6th house from lagna.Asc lord Mars also aspects 6th house( probably gives inclination towards controling Rog, Rin & Shatru) hence medical line.i have taken 5th & 6th house for medical studies b'cos 5th house is for studies in general and 6th indicates diseases, hence native may have inclination to study about disease( medical science).Also moon being in kendra helps native in understanding people pysche, this attribute is helpful in medical profession.well the other chart cannot say much b'cos few things changes and the above method cannot differentiate much between the two.thanks and Regards Amit Desai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Namaste Dev ji Thanks for the reply ….. What IF there are No Graha’s in the 9th Hse in D24 – are you suggesting then that there is No chance of Higher Education? Interesting re:Mer for Software – my personal preference would be Rahu as Software as it doesn’t have any physical attributes associated with it (?) …… Thanks and regards ….. Jai Sita Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Namaste Neelam ji Afraid I don’t agree with your comment “engineering is hardly higher education. It is just a graduation where no deep study is required “ – Universities wouldn’t be teaching Engineering if that indeed was the case (?) ….. Best wishes ….. Jai Sita Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Namaste Jaswalji, I will explain how it does not qualify for the 9th. A person doing B.Com actually does not qualify for the 9th. But a person doing PhD does qualify for the 9th. Same way if a student who has just studied uptil 12th standard in school, and then joined a Engineering Course, without going for the next 3 years to complete B.Com, also does not qualify for the 9th house. Hope this helps... regards, Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Neelam ji > > Afraid I don’t agree with your comment “engineering is hardly higher education. It is just a graduation where no deep study is required “ †" Universities wouldn’t be teaching Engineering if that indeed was the case (?) ….. > > Best wishes ….. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Ramji, You can always read from 9th and see the influences on it. I have never come across Rahu for software, so can't comment. I am with you on 9th for engineering. Research is not indicated by 9th. This is what I have learnt. regds Dev , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Dev ji > > Thanks for the reply ….. > > What IF there are No Graha’s in the 9th Hse in D24 †" are you suggesting then that there is No chance of Higher Education? > > Interesting re:Mer for Software †" my personal preference would be Rahu as Software as it doesn’t have any physical attributes associated with it (?) …… > > Thanks and regards ….. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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