Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear All,We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives having two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and accept the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our course of life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we come to enjoy or suffer in this birth. From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes each person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon is the life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and blood of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique extensions for all of us. The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will vary with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the difference in an individual’s life. The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which is the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as Nakshatra is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of Panchanga. It not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual but also how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by our ancient sages. How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts? I am presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary positions, yet led entirely different lives.Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55 Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna led lives which had no similarity.I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring out the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of us. To start with, let us focus on their profession. RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Neelamji, Thanks for putting this chart. Yes Divisonal Charts will bring out the difference between two twins who are born around the same time and same windows of the Birth Chart. Lets see now how the D-24 Chart Experts come out with their predictions... regards/Bhaskar. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear All, > > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives having > two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and accept > the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our course of > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we come to > enjoy or suffer in this birth. > > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes each > person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon is the > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and blood > of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique > extensions for all of us. > > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a > different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will vary > with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the difference > in an individual's life. > > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which is > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as Nakshatra > is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of Panchanga. It > not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual but also > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially > vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by our > ancient sages. > > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts? I am > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary positions, > yet led entirely different lives.* > > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55 > Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43 > > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna led > lives which had no similarity. > > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring out > the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of us. *To > start with, let us focus on their profession.* > > > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Bhaskar ji,I hope our learned members can come up with their views on these two charts. There's a fair scope of application of all techniques including D-charts. Endless arguments do not serve any purpose, but one example may show us the truth. This is not a quiz to judge anyone's knowledge, but just an exercise to bring out the differences in the two charts. Astrology, like any other branch of knowledge needs a very systematic approach. There are many layers of a horoscope and we must learn to peel them systematically while also viewing carefully what lies beneath each layer. But never forgetting the WHOLE -- i.e. the NATAL CHART! RegardsNeelamOn 13 February 2010 11:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Neelamji, Thanks for putting this chart. Yes Divisonal Charts will bring out the difference between two twins who are born around the same time and same windows of the Birth Chart. Lets see now how the D-24 Chart Experts come out with their predictions... regards/Bhaskar. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear All, > > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives having > two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and accept > the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our course of > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we come to > enjoy or suffer in this birth. > > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes each > person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon is the > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and blood > of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique > extensions for all of us. > > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a > different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will vary > with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the difference > in an individual's life. > > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which is > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as Nakshatra > is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of Panchanga. It > not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual but also > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially > vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by our > ancient sages. > > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts? I am > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary positions, > yet led entirely different lives.* > > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55 > Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43 > > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna led > lives which had no similarity. > > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring out > the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of us. *To > start with, let us focus on their profession.* > > > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Neelam jiI think the second chart ie born on 13th indicates law as profession.Born in Dhanishta nakshatra wiith Ju in 10 and 2nd H aspected by Mars and saturn.I hope other members can add.Thanks and regardsGirish--- On Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Destiny!! Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:21 AM Dear Bhaskar ji,I hope our learned members can come up with their views on these two charts. There's a fair scope of application of all techniques including D-charts. Endless arguments do not serve any purpose, but one example may show us the truth. This is not a quiz to judge anyone's knowledge, but just an exercise to bring out the differences in the two charts. Astrology, like any other branch of knowledge needs a very systematic approach. There are many layers of a horoscope and we must learn to peel them systematically while also viewing carefully what lies beneath each layer. But never forgetting the WHOLE -- i.e. the NATAL CHART! RegardsNeelamOn 13 February 2010 11:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Neelamji, Thanks for putting this chart. Yes Divisonal Charts will bring out the difference between two twins who are born around the same time and same windows of the Birth Chart. Lets see now how the D-24 Chart Experts come out with their predictions. .. regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > Dear All, > > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives having > two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and accept > the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our course of > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we come to > enjoy or suffer in this birth. > > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes each > person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon is the > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and blood > of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique > extensions for all of us. > > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a > different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will vary > with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the difference > in an individual's life. > > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which is > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as Nakshatra > is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of Panchanga. It > not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual but also > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially > vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by our > ancient sages. > > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts? I am > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary positions, > yet led entirely different lives.* > > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55 > Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43 > > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna led > lives which had no similarity. > > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring out > the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of us. *To > start with, let us focus on their profession.* > > > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Girish ji,Thank you for your input. The natives are vrishchik lagna.There may be some error, please check as for both Moon is in Leo which cannot give dhanishtha as birth nakshatra.I request all to mention their ayanamshas used for calculations. That'll help us later in comparing the results for better learning. RegardsNeelamOn 13 February 2010 17:38, Girish menon <horamag wrote: Dear Neelam jiI think the second chart ie born on 13th indicates law as profession.Born in Dhanishta nakshatra wiith Ju in 10 and 2nd H aspected by Mars and saturn.I hope other members can add.Thanks and regards Girish--- On Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Destiny!! Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:21 AM Dear Bhaskar ji,I hope our learned members can come up with their views on these two charts. There's a fair scope of application of all techniques including D-charts. Endless arguments do not serve any purpose, but one example may show us the truth. This is not a quiz to judge anyone's knowledge, but just an exercise to bring out the differences in the two charts. Astrology, like any other branch of knowledge needs a very systematic approach. There are many layers of a horoscope and we must learn to peel them systematically while also viewing carefully what lies beneath each layer. But never forgetting the WHOLE -- i.e. the NATAL CHART! RegardsNeelamOn 13 February 2010 11:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Neelamji, Thanks for putting this chart. Yes Divisonal Charts will bring out the difference between two twins who are born around the same time and same windows of the Birth Chart. Lets see now how the D-24 Chart Experts come out with their predictions. .. regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > Dear All, > > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives having > two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and accept > the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our course of > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we come to > enjoy or suffer in this birth. > > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes each > person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon is the > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and blood > of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique > extensions for all of us. > > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a > different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will vary > with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the difference > in an individual's life. > > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which is > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as Nakshatra > is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of Panchanga. It > not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual but also > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially > vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by our > ancient sages. > > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts? I am > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary positions, > yet led entirely different lives.* > > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55 > Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43 > > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna led > lives which had no similarity. > > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring out > the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of us. *To > start with, let us focus on their profession.* > > > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Neelam jiSorry mistake from my side .Thanks and regardsGirish--- On Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Destiny!! Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 5:00 AM Dear Girish ji,Thank you for your input. The natives are vrishchik lagna.There may be some error, please check as for both Moon is in Leo which cannot give dhanishtha as birth nakshatra.I request all to mention their ayanamshas used for calculations. That'll help us later in comparing the results for better learning. RegardsNeelamOn 13 February 2010 17:38, Girish menon <horamag > wrote: Dear Neelam jiI think the second chart ie born on 13th indicates law as profession.Born in Dhanishta nakshatra wiith Ju in 10 and 2nd H aspected by Mars and saturn.I hope other members can add.Thanks and regards Girish--- On Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!ancient_indian_ astrology Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:21 AM Dear Bhaskar ji,I hope our learned members can come up with their views on these two charts. There's a fair scope of application of all techniques including D-charts. Endless arguments do not serve any purpose, but one example may show us the truth. This is not a quiz to judge anyone's knowledge, but just an exercise to bring out the differences in the two charts. Astrology, like any other branch of knowledge needs a very systematic approach. There are many layers of a horoscope and we must learn to peel them systematically while also viewing carefully what lies beneath each layer. But never forgetting the WHOLE -- i.e. the NATAL CHART! RegardsNeelamOn 13 February 2010 11:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Neelamji, Thanks for putting this chart. Yes Divisonal Charts will bring out the difference between two twins who are born around the same time and same windows of the Birth Chart. Lets see now how the D-24 Chart Experts come out with their predictions. .. regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > Dear All, > > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives having > two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and accept > the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our course of > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we come to > enjoy or suffer in this birth. > > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes each > person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon is the > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and blood > of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique > extensions for all of us. > > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a > different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will vary > with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the difference > in an individual's life. > > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which is > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as Nakshatra > is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of Panchanga. It > not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual but also > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially > vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by our > ancient sages. > > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts? I am > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary positions, > yet led entirely different lives.* > > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55 > Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43 > > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna led > lives which had no similarity. > > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring out > the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of us. *To > start with, let us focus on their profession.* > > > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear All,Let us have some inputs and discussions on the charts, You may use natal charts, nakshatras, D-charts, dashas, or any other technique you can apply to differentiate, but please come up with some outcome. Right or wrong is immaterial. It is only a way to learn. And I hope we're all here to share and learn.Dev ji, I would request you to set the ball rollling, may be applying D-24 and D-10 to check the education and profession. If you have doubt about the time, please feel free to ask any questio to be sure. Others can follow. I am sure Manoj ji, Renu ji, Gopi ji, Sheevani ji, Sreenadh ji, Sreeram ji and many others would be brave enough to venture into this! I am looking forward to an interesting learning experience! Best wishesNeelamOn 13 February 2010 18:43, Girish menon <horamag wrote: Dear Neelam jiSorry mistake from my side .Thanks and regardsGirish--- On Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Destiny!! Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 5:00 AM Dear Girish ji,Thank you for your input. The natives are vrishchik lagna.There may be some error, please check as for both Moon is in Leo which cannot give dhanishtha as birth nakshatra.I request all to mention their ayanamshas used for calculations. That'll help us later in comparing the results for better learning. RegardsNeelamOn 13 February 2010 17:38, Girish menon <horamag > wrote: Dear Neelam jiI think the second chart ie born on 13th indicates law as profession.Born in Dhanishta nakshatra wiith Ju in 10 and 2nd H aspected by Mars and saturn.I hope other members can add.Thanks and regards Girish--- On Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!ancient_indian_ astrology Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:21 AM Dear Bhaskar ji,I hope our learned members can come up with their views on these two charts. There's a fair scope of application of all techniques including D-charts. Endless arguments do not serve any purpose, but one example may show us the truth. This is not a quiz to judge anyone's knowledge, but just an exercise to bring out the differences in the two charts. Astrology, like any other branch of knowledge needs a very systematic approach. There are many layers of a horoscope and we must learn to peel them systematically while also viewing carefully what lies beneath each layer. But never forgetting the WHOLE -- i.e. the NATAL CHART! RegardsNeelamOn 13 February 2010 11:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Neelamji, Thanks for putting this chart. Yes Divisonal Charts will bring out the difference between two twins who are born around the same time and same windows of the Birth Chart. Lets see now how the D-24 Chart Experts come out with their predictions. .. regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > Dear All, > > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives having > two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and accept > the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our course of > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we come to > enjoy or suffer in this birth. > > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes each > person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon is the > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and blood > of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique > extensions for all of us. > > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a > different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will vary > with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the difference > in an individual's life. > > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which is > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as Nakshatra > is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of Panchanga. It > not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual but also > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially > vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by our > ancient sages. > > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts? I am > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary positions, > yet led entirely different lives.* > > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55 > Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43 > > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna led > lives which had no similarity. > > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring out > the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of us. *To > start with, let us focus on their profession.* > > > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear all i just remembered a dialogue from film Sholay"ittina sanatta kuoy hai bhai" (Correct me if i am wrong)ReGirish--- On Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Destiny!! Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 6:31 AM Dear All,Let us have some inputs and discussions on the charts, You may use natal charts, nakshatras, D-charts, dashas, or any other technique you can apply to differentiate, but please come up with some outcome. Right or wrong is immaterial. It is only a way to learn. And I hope we're all here to share and learn.Dev ji, I would request you to set the ball rollling, may be applying D-24 and D-10 to check the education and profession. If you have doubt about the time, please feel free to ask any questio to be sure. Others can follow. I am sure Manoj ji, Renu ji, Gopi ji, Sheevani ji, Sreenadh ji, Sreeram ji and many others would be brave enough to venture into this! I am looking forward to an interesting learning experience! Best wishesNeelamOn 13 February 2010 18:43, Girish menon <horamag > wrote: Dear Neelam jiSorry mistake from my side .Thanks and regardsGirish--- On Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! ancient_indian_ astrologySaturday, February 13, 2010, 5:00 AM Dear Girish ji,Thank you for your input. The natives are vrishchik lagna.There may be some error, please check as for both Moon is in Leo which cannot give dhanishtha as birth nakshatra.I request all to mention their ayanamshas used for calculations. That'll help us later in comparing the results for better learning. RegardsNeelamOn 13 February 2010 17:38, Girish menon <horamag > wrote: Dear Neelam jiI think the second chart ie born on 13th indicates law as profession.Born in Dhanishta nakshatra wiith Ju in 10 and 2nd H aspected by Mars and saturn.I hope other members can add.Thanks and regards Girish--- On Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!ancient_indian_ astrology Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:21 AM Dear Bhaskar ji,I hope our learned members can come up with their views on these two charts. There's a fair scope of application of all techniques including D-charts. Endless arguments do not serve any purpose, but one example may show us the truth. This is not a quiz to judge anyone's knowledge, but just an exercise to bring out the differences in the two charts. Astrology, like any other branch of knowledge needs a very systematic approach. There are many layers of a horoscope and we must learn to peel them systematically while also viewing carefully what lies beneath each layer. But never forgetting the WHOLE -- i.e. the NATAL CHART! RegardsNeelamOn 13 February 2010 11:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Neelamji, Thanks for putting this chart. Yes Divisonal Charts will bring out the difference between two twins who are born around the same time and same windows of the Birth Chart. Lets see now how the D-24 Chart Experts come out with their predictions. .. regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > Dear All, > > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives having > two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and accept > the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our course of > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we come to > enjoy or suffer in this birth. > > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes each > person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon is the > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and blood > of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique > extensions for all of us. > > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a > different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will vary > with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the difference > in an individual's life. > > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which is > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as Nakshatra > is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of Panchanga. It > not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual but also > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially > vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by our > ancient sages. > > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts? I am > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary positions, > yet led entirely different lives.* > > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55 > Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43 > > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna led > lives which had no similarity. > > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring out > the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of us. *To > start with, let us focus on their profession.* > > > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Girish ji,In the wake of ongoing controversies on natal vs D-charts, i thought we should try to learn from a real example.We are all theory masters! When it comes to showing our practical prowess, there is a big SANNATA!! I am glad that you'd taken the lead earlier. I'll appreciate if you can continue with it after the correction. We need to start somewhere! And be ready to learn!RegardsNeelam On 13 February 2010 23:07, Girish menon <horamag wrote: Dear all i just remembered a dialogue from film Sholay " ittina sanatta kuoy hai bhai " (Correct me if i am wrong)ReGirish--- On Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Destiny!! Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 6:31 AM Dear All,Let us have some inputs and discussions on the charts, You may use natal charts, nakshatras, D-charts, dashas, or any other technique you can apply to differentiate, but please come up with some outcome. Right or wrong is immaterial. It is only a way to learn. And I hope we're all here to share and learn.Dev ji, I would request you to set the ball rollling, may be applying D-24 and D-10 to check the education and profession. If you have doubt about the time, please feel free to ask any questio to be sure. Others can follow. I am sure Manoj ji, Renu ji, Gopi ji, Sheevani ji, Sreenadh ji, Sreeram ji and many others would be brave enough to venture into this! I am looking forward to an interesting learning experience! Best wishesNeelamOn 13 February 2010 18:43, Girish menon <horamag > wrote: Dear Neelam jiSorry mistake from my side .Thanks and regardsGirish--- On Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! ancient_indian_ astrologySaturday, February 13, 2010, 5:00 AM Dear Girish ji,Thank you for your input. The natives are vrishchik lagna.There may be some error, please check as for both Moon is in Leo which cannot give dhanishtha as birth nakshatra.I request all to mention their ayanamshas used for calculations. That'll help us later in comparing the results for better learning. RegardsNeelamOn 13 February 2010 17:38, Girish menon <horamag > wrote: Dear Neelam jiI think the second chart ie born on 13th indicates law as profession.Born in Dhanishta nakshatra wiith Ju in 10 and 2nd H aspected by Mars and saturn.I hope other members can add.Thanks and regards Girish--- On Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!ancient_indian_ astrology Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:21 AM Dear Bhaskar ji,I hope our learned members can come up with their views on these two charts. There's a fair scope of application of all techniques including D-charts. Endless arguments do not serve any purpose, but one example may show us the truth. This is not a quiz to judge anyone's knowledge, but just an exercise to bring out the differences in the two charts. Astrology, like any other branch of knowledge needs a very systematic approach. There are many layers of a horoscope and we must learn to peel them systematically while also viewing carefully what lies beneath each layer. But never forgetting the WHOLE -- i.e. the NATAL CHART! RegardsNeelamOn 13 February 2010 11:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Neelamji, Thanks for putting this chart. Yes Divisonal Charts will bring out the difference between two twins who are born around the same time and same windows of the Birth Chart. Lets see now how the D-24 Chart Experts come out with their predictions. .. regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > Dear All, > > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives having > two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and accept > the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our course of > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we come to > enjoy or suffer in this birth. > > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes each > person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon is the > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and blood > of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique > extensions for all of us. > > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a > different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will vary > with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the difference > in an individual's life. > > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which is > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as Nakshatra > is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of Panchanga. It > not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual but also > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially > vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by our > ancient sages. > > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts? I am > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary positions, > yet led entirely different lives.* > > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55 > Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43 > > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna led > lives which had no similarity. > > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring out > the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of us. *To > start with, let us focus on their profession.* > > > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Dear Neelam ji,there is one day diference in their birth.Hope it is correct.Hence they are diferent.There is great RY in 10th and 10L in good condition aswell.10H being leo both must be in a good high even political position/executive position(CEO).case 1 was born in ketu-sat Rahu-mer®.case2 in ven-mer®-ven-ven.with full venusian influence which is a maraka.Hence he could be a spoilt case specially ven being with exalted sat in 12th(loss).Jup went into exaltn into 9th in bhava in case1while there is no change in bhava in case2.We have to consult Dcharts in these kind of cases and confirm what the Rasi chart sugests or shows.Rasi chart of both show they should be in a good position careerwise since 2(wealth)6(job) and 10th(profession/karma) houses/lords are almost same.2,6,10 houses are artha(money)trikonas as we all know and should be fortified for a good materialistic life.All 3H/L are fortified for both in Rasi!!Mo makes all the difference including dasas by change of naksatra as well.Mo have to be checked in D9 for destiny and in D10 for career exclusively along with nakshatra lords.CASE1...Mo in the naks of ketu in 7th while ketu's dispositor in MT with exal sat his bosom friend in12th(abroad) in Rasi.Mo in 11th with ven7,12 of Rasi in D10 while 10L of Rasi in lagna.For anybody to shine in life lumineries should be well placed and powerful as well.Mo's dispositor is in 6H of service with technical planet sat in D10.Present Rah-mer period looks good as well.CASE2...Mo in the naks of ven in 12H of loss with exal 3(effort) and 4(comfirt)lord.MO in 6thH of service in RK axis while the dispositor is debilitated in exchange aswell in6/9 axis in D10 which is no good.Sun 10L of Rasi in 3rd while the dispositor sat is in 8thH of miseries in D10.The present jup-ven does not look good aswell though jup in 10th as a dispositor of ven in2H of maraka in D10......with the above analysis/understanding case1 is a success story in an engineering career,abroad aswell in a high position probably while case 2 is not so!!...There is still a lot in these charts to explore but i am posting it now in a hurry to keep the ball roling.......Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear All,> > Let us have some inputs and discussions on the charts, You may use natal> charts, nakshatras, D-charts, dashas, or any other technique you can apply> to differentiate, but please come up with some outcome.> Right or wrong is immaterial. It is only a way to learn. And I hope we're> all here to share and learn.> > Dev ji, I would request you to set the ball rollling, may be applying D-24> and D-10 to check the education and profession. If you have doubt about the> time, please feel free to ask any questio to be sure.> Others can follow. I am sure Manoj ji, Renu ji, Gopi ji, Sheevani ji,> Sreenadh ji, Sreeram ji and many others would be brave enough to venture> into this! I am looking forward to an interesting learning experience!> > Best wishes> Neelam> > > On 13 February 2010 18:43, Girish menon horamag wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Neelam ji> > Sorry mistake from my side .> >> > Thanks and regards> > Girish> >> > --- On *Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07* wrote:> >> >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07 > Re: Re: Destiny!!> > > > Saturday, February 13, 2010, 5:00 AM> >> >> >> >> > Dear Girish ji,> >> > Thank you for your input. The natives are vrishchik lagna.> > There may be some error, please check as for both Moon is in Leo which> > cannot give dhanishtha as birth nakshatra.> >> > I request all to mention their ayanamshas used for calculations. That'll> > help us later in comparing the results for better learning.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> > On 13 February 2010 17:38, Girish menon horamag <http://mc/compose?to=horamag > > wrote:> >> >>> >>> >> Dear Neelam ji> >> I think the second chart ie born on 13th indicates law as profession.> >> Born in Dhanishta nakshatra wiith Ju in 10 and 2nd H aspected by Mars and> >> saturn.> >> I hope other members can add.> >> Thanks and regards> >> Girish> >>> >> --- On *Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=neelamgupta07 >> >* wrote:> >>> >>> >> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=neelamgupta07 >> >> >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!> >> ancient_indian_ astrology<http://mc/compose?to= > >> Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:21 AM> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Dear Bhaskar ji,> >>> >> I hope our learned members can come up with their views on these two> >> charts. There's a fair scope of application of all techniques including> >> D-charts. Endless arguments do not serve any purpose, but one example may> >> show us the truth. This is not a quiz to judge anyone's knowledge, but just> >> an exercise to bring out the differences in the two charts.> >>> >> Astrology, like any other branch of knowledge needs a very systematic> >> approach. There are many layers of a horoscope and we must learn to peel> >> them systematically while also viewing carefully what lies beneath each> >> layer. But never forgetting the WHOLE -- i.e. the NATAL CHART!> >>> >> Regards> >> Neelam> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> On 13 February 2010 11:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in<http://mc/compose?to=bhaskar_jyotish >> > wrote:> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Dear Neelamji,> >>>> >>> Thanks for putting this chart.> >>>> >>> Yes Divisonal Charts will bring out the difference between two twins who> >>> are born around the same time and same windows of the Birth Chart.> >>>> >>> Lets see now how the D-24 Chart Experts come out with their> >>> predictions. ..> >>>> >>> regards/Bhaskar.> >>>> >>> ancient_indian_ astrology<http://mc/compose?to=%40>,> >>> neelam gupta> >>>> >>> <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> >>> >> >>> > Dear All,> >>> >> >>> > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives> >>> having> >>> > two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and> >>> accept> >>> > the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our> >>> course of> >>> > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we> >>> come to> >>> > enjoy or suffer in this birth.> >>> >> >>> > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes> >>> each> >>> > person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon> >>> is the> >>> > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and> >>> blood> >>> > of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique> >>> > extensions for all of us.> >>> >> >>> > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor> >>> > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a> >>> > different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will> >>> vary> >>> > with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the> >>> difference> >>> > in an individual's life.> >>> >> >>> > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which> >>> is> >>> > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as> >>> Nakshatra> >>> > is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of> >>> Panchanga. It> >>> > not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual> >>> but also> >>> > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially> >>> > vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by> >>> our> >>> > ancient sages.> >>> >> >>> > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts?> >>> I am> >>> > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary> >>> positions,> >>> > yet led entirely different lives.*> >>> >> >>> > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55> >>> > Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43> >>> >> >>> > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna> >>> led> >>> > lives which had no similarity.> >>> >> >>> > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring> >>> out> >>> > the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of> >>> us. *To> >>> > start with, let us focus on their profession.*> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > Regards> >>> > Neelam> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Thank you Gopi ji. That was a good attempt from you!Let me wait for some more responses before I reveal the details, otherwise members might get biased in their opinions.May be we should try to look at education and profession separately. What do you think? I think members are enjoying their Sunday. I am sure our regular participants Manoj ji, Renu ji, Sonia ji, Chandu ji, Chakraborty jee, Mehta ji and many others would surely share thir views.RegardsNeelam On 14 February 2010 11:38, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: Dear Neelam ji,there is one day diference in their birth.Hope it is correct.Hence they are diferent.There is great RY in 10th and 10L in good condition aswell.10H being leo both must be in a good high even political position/executive position(CEO).case 1 was born in ketu-sat Rahu-mer®.case2 in ven-mer®-ven-ven.with full venusian influence which is a maraka.Hence he could be a spoilt case specially ven being with exalted sat in 12th(loss).Jup went into exaltn into 9th in bhava in case1while there is no change in bhava in case2.We have to consult Dcharts in these kind of cases and confirm what the Rasi chart sugests or shows.Rasi chart of both show they should be in a good position careerwise since 2(wealth)6(job) and 10th(profession/karma) houses/lords are almost same.2,6,10 houses are artha(money)trikonas as we all know and should be fortified for a good materialistic life.All 3H/L are fortified for both in Rasi!!Mo makes all the difference including dasas by change of naksatra as well.Mo have to be checked in D9 for destiny and in D10 for career exclusively along with nakshatra lords.CASE1...Mo in the naks of ketu in 7th while ketu's dispositor in MT with exal sat his bosom friend in12th(abroad) in Rasi.Mo in 11th with ven7,12 of Rasi in D10 while 10L of Rasi in lagna.For anybody to shine in life lumineries should be well placed and powerful as well.Mo's dispositor is in 6H of service with technical planet sat in D10.Present Rah-mer period looks good as well.CASE2...Mo in the naks of ven in 12H of loss with exal 3(effort) and 4(comfirt)lord.MO in 6thH of service in RK axis while the dispositor is debilitated in exchange aswell in6/9 axis in D10 which is no good.Sun 10L of Rasi in 3rd while the dispositor sat is in 8thH of miseries in D10.The present jup-ven does not look good aswell though jup in 10th as a dispositor of ven in2H of maraka in D10...... with the above analysis/understanding case1 is a success story in an engineering career,abroad aswell in a high position probably while case 2 is not so!!...There is still a lot in these charts to explore but i am posting it now in a hurry to keep the ball roling....... Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: >> Dear All,> > Let us have some inputs and discussions on the charts, You may use natal> charts, nakshatras, D-charts, dashas, or any other technique you can apply > to differentiate, but please come up with some outcome.> Right or wrong is immaterial. It is only a way to learn. And I hope we're> all here to share and learn.> > Dev ji, I would request you to set the ball rollling, may be applying D-24 > and D-10 to check the education and profession. If you have doubt about the> time, please feel free to ask any questio to be sure.> Others can follow. I am sure Manoj ji, Renu ji, Gopi ji, Sheevani ji, > Sreenadh ji, Sreeram ji and many others would be brave enough to venture> into this! I am looking forward to an interesting learning experience!> > Best wishes> Neelam> > > On 13 February 2010 18:43, Girish menon horamag wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Neelam ji> > Sorry mistake from my side .> >> > Thanks and regards > > Girish> >> > --- On *Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07* wrote:> >> >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07 > Re: Re: Destiny!! > > > > Saturday, February 13, 2010, 5:00 AM> >> >> > > >> > Dear Girish ji,> >> > Thank you for your input. The natives are vrishchik lagna.> > There may be some error, please check as for both Moon is in Leo which> > cannot give dhanishtha as birth nakshatra. > >> > I request all to mention their ayanamshas used for calculations. That'll> > help us later in comparing the results for better learning.> >> > Regards> > Neelam > >> >> > On 13 February 2010 17:38, Girish menon horamag <http://mc/compose?to=horamag > > wrote: > >> >>> >>> >> Dear Neelam ji> >> I think the second chart ie born on 13th indicates law as profession.> >> Born in Dhanishta nakshatra wiith Ju in 10 and 2nd H aspected by Mars and > >> saturn.> >> I hope other members can add.> >> Thanks and regards> >> Girish> >>> >> --- On *Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=neelamgupta07@... > >> >* wrote:> >>> >>> >> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=neelamgupta07@... > >> >> >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!> >> ancient_indian_ astrology<http://mc/compose?to= > >> Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:21 AM> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Dear Bhaskar ji,> >>> >> I hope our learned members can come up with their views on these two > >> charts. There's a fair scope of application of all techniques including> >> D-charts. Endless arguments do not serve any purpose, but one example may> >> show us the truth. This is not a quiz to judge anyone's knowledge, but just > >> an exercise to bring out the differences in the two charts.> >>> >> Astrology, like any other branch of knowledge needs a very systematic> >> approach. There are many layers of a horoscope and we must learn to peel > >> them systematically while also viewing carefully what lies beneath each> >> layer. But never forgetting the WHOLE -- i.e. the NATAL CHART!> >>> >> Regards> >> Neelam > >>> >>> >>> >>> >> On 13 February 2010 11:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in<http://mc/compose?to=bhaskar_jyotish@... > >> > wrote:> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Dear Neelamji,> >>>> >>> Thanks for putting this chart. > >>>> >>> Yes Divisonal Charts will bring out the difference between two twins who> >>> are born around the same time and same windows of the Birth Chart.> >>> > >>> Lets see now how the D-24 Chart Experts come out with their> >>> predictions. ..> >>>> >>> regards/Bhaskar.> >>>> >>> ancient_indian_ astrology<http://mc/compose?to=%40>, > >>> neelam gupta> >>>> >>> <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> >>> >> >>> > Dear All,> >>> > > >>> > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives> >>> having> >>> > two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and> >>> accept > >>> > the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our> >>> course of> >>> > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we> >>> come to > >>> > enjoy or suffer in this birth.> >>> >> >>> > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes> >>> each> >>> > person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon > >>> is the> >>> > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and> >>> blood> >>> > of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique > >>> > extensions for all of us.> >>> >> >>> > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor> >>> > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a > >>> > different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will> >>> vary> >>> > with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the> >>> difference > >>> > in an individual's life.> >>> >> >>> > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which> >>> is> >>> > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as > >>> Nakshatra> >>> > is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of> >>> Panchanga. It> >>> > not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual > >>> but also> >>> > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially> >>> > vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by> >>> our > >>> > ancient sages.> >>> >> >>> > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts?> >>> I am> >>> > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary > >>> positions,> >>> > yet led entirely different lives.*> >>> >> >>> > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55> >>> > Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43 > >>> >> >>> > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna> >>> led> >>> > lives which had no similarity.> >>> > > >>> > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring> >>> out> >>> > the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of> >>> us. *To > >>> > start with, let us focus on their profession.*> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > Regards> >>> > Neelam> >>> > > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 yes Neelam ji,that s why i myself asked you not to rush....//May be we should try to look at education and profession separately. What do> you think?//yes for sure....they are seperate for example D24 and D10!!!Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Thank you Gopi ji. That was a good attempt from you!> Let me wait for some more responses before I reveal the details, otherwise> members might get biased in their opinions.> > May be we should try to look at education and profession separately. What do> you think?> > I think members are enjoying their Sunday. I am sure our regular> participants Manoj ji, Renu ji, Sonia ji, Chandu ji, Chakraborty jee, Mehta> ji and many others would surely share thir views.> > Regards> Neelam> > > On 14 February 2010 11:38, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote:> > >> >> > *Dear Neelam ji,> > there is one day diference in their birth.Hope it is correct.Hence they are> > diferent.There is great> >> > RY in 10th and 10L in good condition aswell.10H being leo both must be in a> > good high even> >> > political position/executive position(CEO).case 1 was born in ketu-sat> > Rahu-mer®.case2 in> >> > ven-mer®-ven-ven.with full venusian influence which is a maraka.Hence he> > could be a spoilt case> >> > specially ven being with exalted sat in 12th(loss).Jup went into exaltn> > into 9th in bhava in> >> > case1while there is no change in bhava in case2.We have to consult Dcharts> > in these kind of> >> > cases and confirm what the Rasi chart sugests or shows.> > Rasi chart of both show they should be in a good position careerwise since> > 2(wealth)6(job) and> >> > 10th(profession/karma) houses/lords are almost same.2,6,10 houses are> > artha(money)trikonas as> >> > we all know and should be fortified for a good materialistic life.All 3H/L> > are fortified for both in> >> > Rasi!!Mo makes all the difference including dasas by change of naksatra as> > well.Mo have to be> >> > checked in D9 for destiny and in D10 for career exclusively along with> > nakshatra lords.> > CASE1...Mo in the naks of ketu in 7th while ketu's dispositor in MT with> > exal sat his bosom friend> >> > in12th(abroad) in Rasi.Mo in 11th with ven7,12 of Rasi in D10 while 10L of> > Rasi in lagna.For> >> > anybody to shine in life lumineries should be well placed and powerful as> > well.Mo's dispositor is in> >> > 6H of service with technical planet sat in D10.Present Rah-mer period looks> > good as well.> >> > CASE2...Mo in the naks of ven in 12H of loss with exal 3(effort) and> > 4(comfirt)lord.MO in 6thH of> >> > service in RK axis while the dispositor is debilitated in exchange aswell> > in6/9 axis in D10 which is> >> > no good.Sun 10L of Rasi in 3rd while the dispositor sat is in 8thH of> > miseries in D10.The present jup-ven does not look good aswell though jup in> > 10th as a dispositor of ven in2H of maraka in D10......> > with the above analysis/understanding case1 is a success story in an> > engineering career,abroad aswell in a high position probably while case 2 is> > not so!!...> > There is still a lot in these charts to explore but i am posting it now in> > a hurry to keep the ball roling.......> > Regards,> > gopi.*> >> > , neelam gupta> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Let us have some inputs and discussions on the charts, You may use natal> > > charts, nakshatras, D-charts, dashas, or any other technique you can> > apply> > > to differentiate, but please come up with some outcome.> > > Right or wrong is immaterial. It is only a way to learn. And I hope we're> > > all here to share and learn.> > >> > > Dev ji, I would request you to set the ball rollling, may be applying> > D-24> > > and D-10 to check the education and profession. If you have doubt about> > the> > > time, please feel free to ask any questio to be sure.> > > Others can follow. I am sure Manoj ji, Renu ji, Gopi ji, Sheevani ji,> > > Sreenadh ji, Sreeram ji and many others would be brave enough to venture> > > into this! I am looking forward to an interesting learning experience!> > >> > > Best wishes> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > On 13 February 2010 18:43, Girish menon horamag@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Neelam ji> > > > Sorry mistake from my side .> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards> > > > Girish> > > >> > > > --- On *Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@* wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> >> > > > Re: Re: Destiny!!> > > > > > > > Saturday, February 13, 2010, 5:00 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Girish ji,> > > >> > > > Thank you for your input. The natives are vrishchik lagna.> > > > There may be some error, please check as for both Moon is in Leo which> > > > cannot give dhanishtha as birth nakshatra.> > > >> > > > I request all to mention their ayanamshas used for calculations.> > That'll> > > > help us later in comparing the results for better learning.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > > On 13 February 2010 17:38, Girish menon horamag <> > http://mc/compose?to=horamag@> >> > > > > wrote:> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Dear Neelam ji> > > >> I think the second chart ie born on 13th indicates law as profession.> > > >> Born in Dhanishta nakshatra wiith Ju in 10 and 2nd H aspected by Mars> > and> > > >> saturn.> > > >> I hope other members can add.> > > >> Thanks and regards> > > >> Girish> > > >>> > > >> --- On *Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com<> > http://mc/compose?to=neelamgupta07@> > > >> >* wrote:> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com<> > http://mc/compose?to=neelamgupta07@> >> > > >> >> > > >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!> > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology<> > http://mc/compose?to= > >> > > >> Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:21 AM> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > >>> > > >> I hope our learned members can come up with their views on these two> > > >> charts. There's a fair scope of application of all techniques> > including> > > >> D-charts. Endless arguments do not serve any purpose, but one example> > may> > > >> show us the truth. This is not a quiz to judge anyone's knowledge, but> > just> > > >> an exercise to bring out the differences in the two charts.> > > >>> > > >> Astrology, like any other branch of knowledge needs a very systematic> > > >> approach. There are many layers of a horoscope and we must learn to> > peel> > > >> them systematically while also viewing carefully what lies beneath> > each> > > >> layer. But never forgetting the WHOLE -- i.e. the NATAL CHART!> > > >>> > > >> Regards> > > >> Neelam> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> On 13 February 2010 11:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in<> > http://mc/compose?to=bhaskar_jyotish@> >> > > >> > wrote:> > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> Dear Neelamji,> > > >>>> > > >>> Thanks for putting this chart.> > > >>>> > > >>> Yes Divisonal Charts will bring out the difference between two twins> > who> > > >>> are born around the same time and same windows of the Birth Chart.> > > >>>> > > >>> Lets see now how the D-24 Chart Experts come out with their> > > >>> predictions. ..> > > >>>> > > >>> regards/Bhaskar.> > > >>>> > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology<> > http://mc/compose?to=%40>,> >> > > >>> neelam gupta> > > >>>> > > >>> <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > >>> >> > > >>> > Dear All,> > > >>> >> > > >>> > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives> > > >>> having> > > >>> > two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and> > > >>> accept> > > >>> > the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our> > > >>> course of> > > >>> > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we> > > >>> come to> > > >>> > enjoy or suffer in this birth.> > > >>> >> > > >>> > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What> > makes> > > >>> each> > > >>> > person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body,> > Moon> > > >>> is the> > > >>> > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh> > and> > > >>> blood> > > >>> > of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are> > unique> > > >>> > extensions for all of us.> > > >>> >> > > >>> > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each> > minor> > > >>> > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give> > a> > > >>> > different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna> > will> > > >>> vary> > > >>> > with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the> > > >>> difference> > > >>> > in an individual's life.> > > >>> >> > > >>> > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga> > which> > > >>> is> > > >>> > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as> > > >>> Nakshatra> > > >>> > is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of> > > >>> Panchanga. It> > > >>> > not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual> > > >>> but also> > > >>> > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially> > > >>> > vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology> > by> > > >>> our> > > >>> > ancient sages.> > > >>> >> > > >>> > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar> > charts?> > > >>> I am> > > >>> > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary> > > >>> positions,> > > >>> > yet led entirely different lives.*> > > >>> >> > > >>> > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55> > > >>> > Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43> > > >>> >> > > >>> > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik> > Lagna> > > >>> led> > > >>> > lives which had no similarity.> > > >>> >> > > >>> > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and> > bring> > > >>> out> > > >>> > the differences which can make a good learning experience for all> > of> > > >>> us. *To> > > >>> > start with, let us focus on their profession.*> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> > Regards> > > >>> > Neelam> > > >>> >> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 To Modrator Respacted Neelam Ji, Both are connected to judiciary system could be lawyer or judge 1. He could be connected to real estate. Thanks & regards s.awasthi --- On Sun, 2/14/10, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Re: Destiny!! Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 6:08 AM Dear Neelam ji,there is one day diference in their birth.Hope it is correct.Hence they are diferent.There is great RY in 10th and 10L in good condition aswell.10H being leo both must be in a good high even political position/executive position(CEO) .case 1 was born in ketu-sat Rahu-mer®. case2 in ven-mer®-ven- ven.with full venusian influence which is a maraka.Hence he could be a spoilt case specially ven being with exalted sat in 12th(loss).Jup went into exaltn into 9th in bhava in case1while there is no change in bhava in case2.We have to consult Dcharts in these kind of cases and confirm what the Rasi chart sugests or shows.Rasi chart of both show they should be in a good position careerwise since 2(wealth)6(job) and 10th(profession/ karma) houses/lords are almost same.2,6,10 houses are artha(money) trikonas as we all know and should be fortified for a good materialistic life.All 3H/L are fortified for both in Rasi!!Mo makes all the difference including dasas by change of naksatra as well.Mo have to be checked in D9 for destiny and in D10 for career exclusively along with nakshatra lords.CASE1...Mo in the naks of ketu in 7th while ketu's dispositor in MT with exal sat his bosom friend in12th(abroad) in Rasi.Mo in 11th with ven7,12 of Rasi in D10 while 10L of Rasi in lagna.For anybody to shine in life lumineries should be well placed and powerful as well.Mo's dispositor is in 6H of service with technical planet sat in D10.Present Rah-mer period looks good as well.CASE2...Mo in the naks of ven in 12H of loss with exal 3(effort) and 4(comfirt)lord. MO in 6thH of service in RK axis while the dispositor is debilitated in exchange aswell in6/9 axis in D10 which is no good.Sun 10L of Rasi in 3rd while the dispositor sat is in 8thH of miseries in D10.The present jup-ven does not look good aswell though jup in 10th as a dispositor of ven in2H of maraka in D10......with the above analysis/understand ing case1 is a success story in an engineering career,abroad aswell in a high position probably while case 2 is not so!!...There is still a lot in these charts to explore but i am posting it now in a hurry to keep the ball roling...... .Regards,gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > Let us have some inputs and discussions on the charts, You may use natal> charts, nakshatras, D-charts, dashas, or any other technique you can apply> to differentiate, but please come up with some outcome.> Right or wrong is immaterial. It is only a way to learn. And I hope we're> all here to share and learn.> > Dev ji, I would request you to set the ball rollling, may be applying D-24> and D-10 to check the education and profession. If you have doubt about the> time, please feel free to ask any questio to be sure.> Others can follow. I am sure Manoj ji, Renu ji, Gopi ji, Sheevani ji,> Sreenadh ji, Sreeram ji and many others would be brave enough to venture> into this! I am looking forward to an interesting learning experience!> > Best wishes> Neelam> > > On 13 February 2010 18:43, Girish menon horamag wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Neelam ji> > Sorry mistake from my side .> >> > Thanks and regards> > Girish> >> > --- On *Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...* wrote:> >> >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, February 13, 2010, 5:00 AM> >> >> >> >> > Dear Girish ji,> >> > Thank you for your input. The natives are vrishchik lagna.> > There may be some error, please check as for both Moon is in Leo which> > cannot give dhanishtha as birth nakshatra.> >> > I request all to mention their ayanamshas used for calculations. That'll> > help us later in comparing the results for better learning.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> > On 13 February 2010 17:38, Girish menon horamag <http://mc/compose? to=horamag@ ...> > > wrote:> >> >>> >>> >> Dear Neelam ji> >> I think the second chart ie born on 13th indicates law as profession.> >> Born in Dhanishta nakshatra wiith Ju in 10 and 2nd H aspected by Mars and> >> saturn.> >> I hope other members can add.> >> Thanks and regards> >> Girish> >>> >> --- On *Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com<http://mc/compose? to=neelamgupta07 >> >* wrote:> >>> >>> >> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com<http://mc/compose? to=neelamgupta07 >> >> >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!> >> ancient_indian_ astrology<http://mc/compose? to=ancient_ indian_astrology > >> Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:21 AM> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Dear Bhaskar ji,> >>> >> I hope our learned members can come up with their views on these two> >> charts. There's a fair scope of application of all techniques including> >> D-charts. Endless arguments do not serve any purpose, but one example may> >> show us the truth. This is not a quiz to judge anyone's knowledge, but just> >> an exercise to bring out the differences in the two charts.> >>> >> Astrology, like any other branch of knowledge needs a very systematic> >> approach. There are many layers of a horoscope and we must learn to peel> >> them systematically while also viewing carefully what lies beneath each> >> layer. But never forgetting the WHOLE -- i.e. the NATAL CHART!> >>> >> Regards> >> Neelam> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> On 13 February 2010 11:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in<http://mc/compose? to=bhaskar_ jyotish@. ..> >> > wrote:> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Dear Neelamji,> >>>> >>> Thanks for putting this chart.> >>>> >>> Yes Divisonal Charts will bring out the difference between two twins who> >>> are born around the same time and same windows of the Birth Chart.> >>>> >>> Lets see now how the D-24 Chart Experts come out with their> >>> predictions. ..> >>>> >>> regards/Bhaskar.> >>>> >>> ancient_indian_ astrology<http://mc/compose? to=ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>,> >>> neelam gupta> >>>> >>> <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> >>> >> >>> > Dear All,> >>> >> >>> > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives> >>> having> >>> > two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and> >>> accept> >>> > the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our> >>> course of> >>> > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we> >>> come to> >>> > enjoy or suffer in this birth.> >>> >> >>> > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes> >>> each> >>> > person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon> >>> is the> >>> > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and> >>> blood> >>> > of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique> >>> > extensions for all of us.> >>> >> >>> > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor> >>> > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a> >>> > different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will> >>> vary> >>> > with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the> >>> difference> >>> > in an individual's life.> >>> >> >>> > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which> >>> is> >>> > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as> >>> Nakshatra> >>> > is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of> >>> Panchanga. It> >>> > not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual> >>> but also> >>> > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially> >>> > vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by> >>> our> >>> > ancient sages.> >>> >> >>> > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts?> >>> I am> >>> > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary> >>> positions,> >>> > yet led entirely different lives.*> >>> >> >>> > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55> >>> > Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43> >>> >> >>> > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna> >>> led> >>> > lives which had no similarity.> >>> >> >>> > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring> >>> out> >>> > the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of> >>> us. *To> >>> > start with, let us focus on their profession.*> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > Regards> >>> > Neelam> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Dear Suresh ji,I appreciate your sharing and participation. It will be useful for everyone if brief analysis is given alongwith the reading.Thank you.RegardsNeelamOn 14 February 2010 14:50, Suresh Awasthi <sureshawasthi87 wrote: To Modrator Respacted Neelam Ji, Both are connected to judiciary system could be lawyer or judge 1. He could be connected to real estate. Thanks & regards s.awasthi --- On Sun, 2/14/10, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Re: Destiny!! Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 6:08 AM Dear Neelam ji,there is one day diference in their birth.Hope it is correct.Hence they are diferent.There is great RY in 10th and 10L in good condition aswell.10H being leo both must be in a good high even political position/executive position(CEO) .case 1 was born in ketu-sat Rahu-mer®. case2 in ven-mer®-ven- ven.with full venusian influence which is a maraka.Hence he could be a spoilt case specially ven being with exalted sat in 12th(loss).Jup went into exaltn into 9th in bhava in case1while there is no change in bhava in case2.We have to consult Dcharts in these kind of cases and confirm what the Rasi chart sugests or shows.Rasi chart of both show they should be in a good position careerwise since 2(wealth)6(job) and 10th(profession/ karma) houses/lords are almost same.2,6,10 houses are artha(money) trikonas as we all know and should be fortified for a good materialistic life.All 3H/L are fortified for both in Rasi!!Mo makes all the difference including dasas by change of naksatra as well.Mo have to be checked in D9 for destiny and in D10 for career exclusively along with nakshatra lords. CASE1...Mo in the naks of ketu in 7th while ketu's dispositor in MT with exal sat his bosom friend in12th(abroad) in Rasi.Mo in 11th with ven7,12 of Rasi in D10 while 10L of Rasi in lagna.For anybody to shine in life lumineries should be well placed and powerful as well.Mo's dispositor is in 6H of service with technical planet sat in D10.Present Rah-mer period looks good as well.CASE2...Mo in the naks of ven in 12H of loss with exal 3(effort) and 4(comfirt)lord. MO in 6thH of service in RK axis while the dispositor is debilitated in exchange aswell in6/9 axis in D10 which is no good.Sun 10L of Rasi in 3rd while the dispositor sat is in 8thH of miseries in D10.The present jup-ven does not look good aswell though jup in 10th as a dispositor of ven in2H of maraka in D10......with the above analysis/understand ing case1 is a success story in an engineering career,abroad aswell in a high position probably while case 2 is not so!!... There is still a lot in these charts to explore but i am posting it now in a hurry to keep the ball roling...... .Regards,gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: >> Dear All,> > Let us have some inputs and discussions on the charts, You may use natal> charts, nakshatras, D-charts, dashas, or any other technique you can apply> to differentiate, but please come up with some outcome. > Right or wrong is immaterial. It is only a way to learn. And I hope we're> all here to share and learn.> > Dev ji, I would request you to set the ball rollling, may be applying D-24> and D-10 to check the education and profession. If you have doubt about the> time, please feel free to ask any questio to be sure.> Others can follow. I am sure Manoj ji, Renu ji, Gopi ji, Sheevani ji, > Sreenadh ji, Sreeram ji and many others would be brave enough to venture> into this! I am looking forward to an interesting learning experience!> > Best wishes> Neelam> > > On 13 February 2010 18:43, Girish menon horamag wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Neelam ji> > Sorry mistake from my side .> >> > Thanks and regards> > Girish > >> > --- On *Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...* wrote:> >> >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, February 13, 2010, 5:00 AM> >> >> >> >> > Dear Girish ji,> >> > Thank you for your input. The natives are vrishchik lagna. > > There may be some error, please check as for both Moon is in Leo which> > cannot give dhanishtha as birth nakshatra.> >> > I request all to mention their ayanamshas used for calculations. That'll > > help us later in comparing the results for better learning.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> > On 13 February 2010 17:38, Girish menon horamag <http://mc/compose? to=horamag@ ... > > > wrote:> >> >>> >>> >> Dear Neelam ji> >> I think the second chart ie born on 13th indicates law as profession.> >> Born in Dhanishta nakshatra wiith Ju in 10 and 2nd H aspected by Mars and> >> saturn.> >> I hope other members can add.> >> Thanks and regards> >> Girish > >>> >> --- On *Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com<http://mc/compose? to=neelamgupta07 > >> >* wrote:> >>> >>> >> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com<http://mc/compose? to=neelamgupta07 > >> >> >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!> >> ancient_indian_ astrology<http://mc/compose? to=ancient_ indian_astrology > >> Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:21 AM> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Dear Bhaskar ji,> >>> >> I hope our learned members can come up with their views on these two> >> charts. There's a fair scope of application of all techniques including> >> D-charts. Endless arguments do not serve any purpose, but one example may > >> show us the truth. This is not a quiz to judge anyone's knowledge, but just> >> an exercise to bring out the differences in the two charts.> >>> >> Astrology, like any other branch of knowledge needs a very systematic > >> approach. There are many layers of a horoscope and we must learn to peel> >> them systematically while also viewing carefully what lies beneath each> >> layer. But never forgetting the WHOLE -- i.e. the NATAL CHART! > >>> >> Regards> >> Neelam> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> On 13 February 2010 11:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in<http://mc/compose? to=bhaskar_ jyotish@. ..> >> > wrote: > >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Dear Neelamji,> >>>> >>> Thanks for putting this chart.> >>>> >>> Yes Divisonal Charts will bring out the difference between two twins who > >>> are born around the same time and same windows of the Birth Chart.> >>>> >>> Lets see now how the D-24 Chart Experts come out with their> >>> predictions. .. > >>>> >>> regards/Bhaskar.> >>>> >>> ancient_indian_ astrology<http://mc/compose? to=ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, > >>> neelam gupta> >>>> >>> <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> >>> >> >>> > Dear All,> >>> >> >>> > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives> >>> having > >>> > two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and> >>> accept> >>> > the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our> >>> course of > >>> > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we> >>> come to> >>> > enjoy or suffer in this birth.> >>> >> >>> > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes > >>> each> >>> > person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon> >>> is the> >>> > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and> >>> blood> >>> > of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique> >>> > extensions for all of us. > >>> >> >>> > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor> >>> > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a> >>> > different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will > >>> vary> >>> > with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the> >>> difference> >>> > in an individual's life.> >>> > > >>> > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which> >>> is> >>> > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as> >>> Nakshatra> >>> > is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of> >>> Panchanga. It> >>> > not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual > >>> but also> >>> > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially> >>> > vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by> >>> our > >>> > ancient sages.> >>> >> >>> > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts?> >>> I am> >>> > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary > >>> positions,> >>> > yet led entirely different lives.*> >>> >> >>> > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55> >>> > Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43> >>> >> >>> > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna> >>> led > >>> > lives which had no similarity.> >>> >> >>> > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring> >>> out> >>> > the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of > >>> us. *To> >>> > start with, let us focus on their profession.*> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > Regards> >>> > Neelam > >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Dear Neelamji, I am attempting to give my analysis in reg to the profession of these two native. Both are vrischika lagna and rasi is simha for both but for the Ist native the star is Magha and for the IInd the star is Poorva phalguni. In case of the Ist native. He must have entered his profession during sun mahdasa. sun is his 10th lord placed in 11 with its nakshtra lord being mars. Jupiter and moon are placed in the 10th house. kethu is a determining factor. Kethu is in the 7th and is placed in Mars nakshtra. So in all probablities the Ist native must be a doctor or related to medical field. IInd native: He must have taken up his profession during Rahu dasa. He must have gone abroad to do his specialisation. He must have specialised in Metals. His 10th house nakshtra lord is venus. 10th is occupied by moon and jupiter. nakshtra lord being venus and kethu respectively. 10thlord sun is in mars. so he must be in a profession related to electro metallurgy, taking venus and mars into consideration. In his D-24th chart saturn goes to rishaba house of venus and it is the 12th house to Mithuna amsa. so he must have gone abroad to specialise in the above said areas. I will wait for ur announcement in reg to the nature of profession. regards, k.gopu--- On Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Destiny!! Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 8:01 PM Dear All,Let us have some inputs and discussions on the charts, You may use natal charts, nakshatras, D-charts, dashas, or any other technique you can apply to differentiate, but please come up with some outcome.Right or wrong is immaterial. It is only a way to learn. And I hope we're all here to share and learn.Dev ji, I would request you to set the ball rollling, may be applying D-24 and D-10 to check the education and profession. If you have doubt about the time, please feel free to ask any questio to be sure.Others can follow. I am sure Manoj ji, Renu ji, Gopi ji, Sheevani ji, Sreenadh ji, Sreeram ji and many others would be brave enough to venture into this! I am looking forward to an interesting learning experience!Best wishesNeelam On 13 February 2010 18:43, Girish menon <horamag > wrote: Dear Neelam jiSorry mistake from my side . Thanks and regardsGirish--- On Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!ancient_indian_ astrologySaturday, February 13, 2010, 5:00 AM Dear Girish ji,Thank you for your input. The natives are vrishchik lagna.There may be some error, please check as for both Moon is in Leo which cannot give dhanishtha as birth nakshatra.I request all to mention their ayanamshas used for calculations. That'll help us later in comparing the results for better learning.RegardsNeelam On 13 February 2010 17:38, Girish menon <horamag > wrote: Dear Neelam jiI think the second chart ie born on 13th indicates law as profession.Born in Dhanishta nakshatra wiith Ju in 10 and 2nd H aspected by Mars and saturn.I hope other members can add.Thanks and regardsGirish--- On Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!ancient_indian_ astrologySaturday, February 13, 2010, 1:21 AM Dear Bhaskar ji,I hope our learned members can come up with their views on these two charts. There's a fair scope of application of all techniques including D-charts. Endless arguments do not serve any purpose, but one example may show us the truth. This is not a quiz to judge anyone's knowledge, but just an exercise to bring out the differences in the two charts.Astrology, like any other branch of knowledge needs a very systematic approach. There are many layers of a horoscope and we must learn to peel them systematically while also viewing carefully what lies beneath each layer. But never forgetting the WHOLE -- i.e. the NATAL CHART! RegardsNeelam On 13 February 2010 11:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Neelamji,Thanks for putting this chart.Yes Divisonal Charts will bring out the difference between two twins whoare born around the same time and same windows of the Birth Chart.Lets see now how the D-24 Chart Experts come out with theirpredictions. ..regards/Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,>> We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the nativeshaving> two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand andaccept> the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides ourcourse of> life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which wecome to> enjoy or suffer in this birth.>> From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makeseach> person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moonis the> life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh andblood> of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique> extensions for all of us.>> The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor> variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a> different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna willvary> with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make thedifference> in an individual's life.>> The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga whichis> the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon asNakshatra> is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA ofPanchanga. It> not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individualbut also> how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially> vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology byour> ancient sages.>> *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts?I am> presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetarypositions,> yet led entirely different lives.*>> Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55> Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43>> Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagnaled> lives which had no similarity.>> I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bringout> the differences which can make a good learning experience for all ofus. *To> start with, let us focus on their profession.*>>>> Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Dear Neelam ji, Namaste. I am usually the " odd-ball " type and hence my prediction might well be wayout, but all the same I shall have a crack at the charts. Both charts are essentially similar, both natives could currently be having health issues especially diabetes and raise blood pressure. Native 1 could be having both health issues and career issues currently. Native 2 would be having health issues but career will be stable as currently undergoing Jupiter MD. I see their careers mostly related to jupiter and mercury though mars, venus and shani are also feature strongly. So I would say that their professions are most likely teaching, counselling,consultantcy etc which may be related to a specialised techical field. Both will have several job changes, with govt posts giving only limited success (short periods only) Native 1 would have a rather difficult childhood period and marriage maybe troubled too or even 'no marriage' possible Native 2 will have a troubled period careerwise during rahu MD 1982-2000. He might also have had surgery for hernia or some skin problems. Overall I would say both charts are strong and both have been very bright in their childhood. Both would have foreign trips or connections. Chart 2 is slightly better than chart 1 careerwise. warmest regards Sheevani , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > Dear Neelam ji, > there is one day diference in their birth.Hope it is correct.Hence they > are diferent.There is great > > RY in 10th and 10L in good condition aswell.10H being leo both must be > in a good high even > > political position/executive position(CEO).case 1 was born in ketu-sat > Rahu-mer®.case2 in > > ven-mer®-ven-ven.with full venusian influence which is a maraka.Hence > he could be a spoilt case > > specially ven being with exalted sat in 12th(loss).Jup went into exaltn > into 9th in bhava in > > case1while there is no change in bhava in case2.We have to consult > Dcharts in these kind of > > cases and confirm what the Rasi chart sugests or shows. > Rasi chart of both show they should be in a good position careerwise > since 2(wealth)6(job) and > > 10th(profession/karma) houses/lords are almost same.2,6,10 houses are > artha(money)trikonas as > > we all know and should be fortified for a good materialistic life.All > 3H/L are fortified for both in > > Rasi!!Mo makes all the difference including dasas by change of naksatra > as well.Mo have to be > > checked in D9 for destiny and in D10 for career exclusively along with > nakshatra lords. > CASE1...Mo in the naks of ketu in 7th while ketu's dispositor in MT with > exal sat his bosom friend > > in12th(abroad) in Rasi.Mo in 11th with ven7,12 of Rasi in D10 while 10L > of Rasi in lagna.For > > anybody to shine in life lumineries should be well placed and powerful > as well.Mo's dispositor is in > > 6H of service with technical planet sat in D10.Present Rah-mer period > looks good as well. > > CASE2...Mo in the naks of ven in 12H of loss with exal 3(effort) and > 4(comfirt)lord.MO in 6thH of > > service in RK axis while the dispositor is debilitated in exchange > aswell in6/9 axis in D10 which is > > no good.Sun 10L of Rasi in 3rd while the dispositor sat is in 8thH of > miseries in D10.The present jup-ven does not look good aswell though jup > in 10th as a dispositor of ven in2H of maraka in D10...... > with the above analysis/understanding case1 is a success story in an > engineering career,abroad aswell in a high position probably while case > 2 is not so!!... > There is still a lot in these charts to explore but i am posting it now > in a hurry to keep the ball roling....... > Regards, > gopi. > , neelam gupta > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Let us have some inputs and discussions on the charts, You may use > natal > > charts, nakshatras, D-charts, dashas, or any other technique you can > apply > > to differentiate, but please come up with some outcome. > > Right or wrong is immaterial. It is only a way to learn. And I hope > we're > > all here to share and learn. > > > > Dev ji, I would request you to set the ball rollling, may be applying > D-24 > > and D-10 to check the education and profession. If you have doubt > about the > > time, please feel free to ask any questio to be sure. > > Others can follow. I am sure Manoj ji, Renu ji, Gopi ji, Sheevani ji, > > Sreenadh ji, Sreeram ji and many others would be brave enough to > venture > > into this! I am looking forward to an interesting learning experience! > > > > Best wishes > > Neelam > > > > > > On 13 February 2010 18:43, Girish menon horamag@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji > > > Sorry mistake from my side . > > > > > > Thanks and regards > > > Girish > > > > > > --- On *Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@* wrote: > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > Re: Re: Destiny!! > > > > > > Saturday, February 13, 2010, 5:00 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Girish ji, > > > > > > Thank you for your input. The natives are vrishchik lagna. > > > There may be some error, please check as for both Moon is in Leo > which > > > cannot give dhanishtha as birth nakshatra. > > > > > > I request all to mention their ayanamshas used for calculations. > That'll > > > help us later in comparing the results for better learning. > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > On 13 February 2010 17:38, Girish menon horamag (AT) (DOT) > com<http://mc/compose?to=horamag@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> Dear Neelam ji > > >> I think the second chart ie born on 13th indicates law as > profession. > > >> Born in Dhanishta nakshatra wiith Ju in 10 and 2nd H aspected by > Mars and > > >> saturn. > > >> I hope other members can add. > > >> Thanks and regards > > >> Girish > > >> > > >> --- On *Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=neelamgupta07@ > > >> >* wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=neelamgupta07@ > > >> > > > >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com<http://mc/compose?to= > > >> Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:21 AM > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Dear Bhaskar ji, > > >> > > >> I hope our learned members can come up with their views on these > two > > >> charts. There's a fair scope of application of all techniques > including > > >> D-charts. Endless arguments do not serve any purpose, but one > example may > > >> show us the truth. This is not a quiz to judge anyone's knowledge, > but just > > >> an exercise to bring out the differences in the two charts. > > >> > > >> Astrology, like any other branch of knowledge needs a very > systematic > > >> approach. There are many layers of a horoscope and we must learn to > peel > > >> them systematically while also viewing carefully what lies beneath > each > > >> layer. But never forgetting the WHOLE -- i.e. the NATAL CHART! > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> Neelam > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On 13 February 2010 11:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. > in<http://mc/compose?to=bhaskar_jyotish@ > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Dear Neelamji, > > >>> > > >>> Thanks for putting this chart. > > >>> > > >>> Yes Divisonal Charts will bring out the difference between two > twins who > > >>> are born around the same time and same windows of the Birth Chart. > > >>> > > >>> Lets see now how the D-24 Chart Experts come out with their > > >>> predictions. .. > > >>> > > >>> regards/Bhaskar. > > >>> > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com<http://mc/compose?to=%40>, > > >>> neelam gupta > > >>> > > >>> <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > Dear All, > > >>> > > > >>> > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the > natives > > >>> having > > >>> > two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand > and > > >>> accept > > >>> > the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides > our > > >>> course of > > >>> > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which > we > > >>> come to > > >>> > enjoy or suffer in this birth. > > >>> > > > >>> > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What > makes > > >>> each > > >>> > person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, > Moon > > >>> is the > > >>> > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh > and > > >>> blood > > >>> > of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are > unique > > >>> > extensions for all of us. > > >>> > > > >>> > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each > minor > > >>> > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to > give a > > >>> > different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna > will > > >>> vary > > >>> > with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the > > >>> difference > > >>> > in an individual's life. > > >>> > > > >>> > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga > which > > >>> is > > >>> > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as > > >>> Nakshatra > > >>> > is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of > > >>> Panchanga. It > > >>> > not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an > individual > > >>> but also > > >>> > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, > especially > > >>> > vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive > astrology by > > >>> our > > >>> > ancient sages. > > >>> > > > >>> > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar > charts? > > >>> I am > > >>> > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary > > >>> positions, > > >>> > yet led entirely different lives.* > > >>> > > > >>> > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55 > > >>> > Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43 > > >>> > > > >>> > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik > Lagna > > >>> led > > >>> > lives which had no similarity. > > >>> > > > >>> > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and > bring > > >>> out > > >>> > the differences which can make a good learning experience for > all of > > >>> us. *To > > >>> > start with, let us focus on their profession.* > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > Regards > > >>> > Neelam > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Dear Neelam ji, What I meant to say, but not put clearly is that both natives would have good qualifictions in some techical subject, eg law, medicine or enginering etc but professionally they will be in either consultancy, teaching/lecturing or advisory roles warmest regards Sheevani , " Sheevani " <sheevani147 wrote: > > Dear Neelam ji, > > Namaste. > > I am usually the " odd-ball " type and hence my prediction might well be wayout, but all the same I shall have a crack at the charts. > > Both charts are essentially similar, both natives could currently be having health issues especially diabetes and raise blood pressure. Native 1 could be having both health issues and career issues currently. Native 2 would be having health issues but career will be stable as currently undergoing Jupiter MD. > > I see their careers mostly related to jupiter and mercury though mars, venus and shani are also feature strongly. So I would say that their professions are most likely teaching, counselling,consultantcy etc which may be related to a specialised techical field. Both will have several job changes, with govt posts giving only limited success (short periods only) > > Native 1 would have a rather difficult childhood period and marriage maybe troubled too or even 'no marriage' possible > > Native 2 will have a troubled period careerwise during rahu MD 1982-2000. He might also have had surgery for hernia or some skin problems. > > Overall I would say both charts are strong and both have been very bright in their childhood. Both would have foreign trips or connections. > > Chart 2 is slightly better than chart 1 careerwise. > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > > , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > there is one day diference in their birth.Hope it is correct.Hence they > > are diferent.There is great > > > > RY in 10th and 10L in good condition aswell.10H being leo both must be > > in a good high even > > > > political position/executive position(CEO).case 1 was born in ketu-sat > > Rahu-mer®.case2 in > > > > ven-mer®-ven-ven.with full venusian influence which is a maraka.Hence > > he could be a spoilt case > > > > specially ven being with exalted sat in 12th(loss).Jup went into exaltn > > into 9th in bhava in > > > > case1while there is no change in bhava in case2.We have to consult > > Dcharts in these kind of > > > > cases and confirm what the Rasi chart sugests or shows. > > Rasi chart of both show they should be in a good position careerwise > > since 2(wealth)6(job) and > > > > 10th(profession/karma) houses/lords are almost same.2,6,10 houses are > > artha(money)trikonas as > > > > we all know and should be fortified for a good materialistic life.All > > 3H/L are fortified for both in > > > > Rasi!!Mo makes all the difference including dasas by change of naksatra > > as well.Mo have to be > > > > checked in D9 for destiny and in D10 for career exclusively along with > > nakshatra lords. > > CASE1...Mo in the naks of ketu in 7th while ketu's dispositor in MT with > > exal sat his bosom friend > > > > in12th(abroad) in Rasi.Mo in 11th with ven7,12 of Rasi in D10 while 10L > > of Rasi in lagna.For > > > > anybody to shine in life lumineries should be well placed and powerful > > as well.Mo's dispositor is in > > > > 6H of service with technical planet sat in D10.Present Rah-mer period > > looks good as well. > > > > CASE2...Mo in the naks of ven in 12H of loss with exal 3(effort) and > > 4(comfirt)lord.MO in 6thH of > > > > service in RK axis while the dispositor is debilitated in exchange > > aswell in6/9 axis in D10 which is > > > > no good.Sun 10L of Rasi in 3rd while the dispositor sat is in 8thH of > > miseries in D10.The present jup-ven does not look good aswell though jup > > in 10th as a dispositor of ven in2H of maraka in D10...... > > with the above analysis/understanding case1 is a success story in an > > engineering career,abroad aswell in a high position probably while case > > 2 is not so!!... > > There is still a lot in these charts to explore but i am posting it now > > in a hurry to keep the ball roling....... > > Regards, > > gopi. > > , neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Let us have some inputs and discussions on the charts, You may use > > natal > > > charts, nakshatras, D-charts, dashas, or any other technique you can > > apply > > > to differentiate, but please come up with some outcome. > > > Right or wrong is immaterial. It is only a way to learn. And I hope > > we're > > > all here to share and learn. > > > > > > Dev ji, I would request you to set the ball rollling, may be applying > > D-24 > > > and D-10 to check the education and profession. If you have doubt > > about the > > > time, please feel free to ask any questio to be sure. > > > Others can follow. I am sure Manoj ji, Renu ji, Gopi ji, Sheevani ji, > > > Sreenadh ji, Sreeram ji and many others would be brave enough to > > venture > > > into this! I am looking forward to an interesting learning experience! > > > > > > Best wishes > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > On 13 February 2010 18:43, Girish menon horamag@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji > > > > Sorry mistake from my side . > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards > > > > Girish > > > > > > > > --- On *Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > Re: Re: Destiny!! > > > > > > > > Saturday, February 13, 2010, 5:00 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Girish ji, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your input. The natives are vrishchik lagna. > > > > There may be some error, please check as for both Moon is in Leo > > which > > > > cannot give dhanishtha as birth nakshatra. > > > > > > > > I request all to mention their ayanamshas used for calculations. > > That'll > > > > help us later in comparing the results for better learning. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 February 2010 17:38, Girish menon horamag (AT) (DOT) > > com<http://mc/compose?to=horamag@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Dear Neelam ji > > > >> I think the second chart ie born on 13th indicates law as > > profession. > > > >> Born in Dhanishta nakshatra wiith Ju in 10 and 2nd H aspected by > > Mars and > > > >> saturn. > > > >> I hope other members can add. > > > >> Thanks and regards > > > >> Girish > > > >> > > > >> --- On *Sat, 2/13/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > > gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=neelamgupta07@ > > > >> >* wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > > gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=neelamgupta07@ > > > >> > > > > >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! > > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com<http://mc/compose?to= > > > >> Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:21 AM > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > >> > > > >> I hope our learned members can come up with their views on these > > two > > > >> charts. There's a fair scope of application of all techniques > > including > > > >> D-charts. Endless arguments do not serve any purpose, but one > > example may > > > >> show us the truth. This is not a quiz to judge anyone's knowledge, > > but just > > > >> an exercise to bring out the differences in the two charts. > > > >> > > > >> Astrology, like any other branch of knowledge needs a very > > systematic > > > >> approach. There are many layers of a horoscope and we must learn to > > peel > > > >> them systematically while also viewing carefully what lies beneath > > each > > > >> layer. But never forgetting the WHOLE -- i.e. the NATAL CHART! > > > >> > > > >> Regards > > > >> Neelam > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 13 February 2010 11:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. > > in<http://mc/compose?to=bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Dear Neelamji, > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks for putting this chart. > > > >>> > > > >>> Yes Divisonal Charts will bring out the difference between two > > twins who > > > >>> are born around the same time and same windows of the Birth Chart. > > > >>> > > > >>> Lets see now how the D-24 Chart Experts come out with their > > > >>> predictions. .. > > > >>> > > > >>> regards/Bhaskar. > > > >>> > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com<http://mc/compose?to=%40>, > > > >>> neelam gupta > > > >>> > > > >>> <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Dear All, > > > >>> > > > > >>> > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the > > natives > > > >>> having > > > >>> > two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand > > and > > > >>> accept > > > >>> > the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides > > our > > > >>> course of > > > >>> > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which > > we > > > >>> come to > > > >>> > enjoy or suffer in this birth. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What > > makes > > > >>> each > > > >>> > person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, > > Moon > > > >>> is the > > > >>> > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh > > and > > > >>> blood > > > >>> > of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are > > unique > > > >>> > extensions for all of us. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each > > minor > > > >>> > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to > > give a > > > >>> > different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna > > will > > > >>> vary > > > >>> > with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the > > > >>> difference > > > >>> > in an individual's life. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga > > which > > > >>> is > > > >>> > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as > > > >>> Nakshatra > > > >>> > is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of > > > >>> Panchanga. It > > > >>> > not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an > > individual > > > >>> but also > > > >>> > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, > > especially > > > >>> > vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive > > astrology by > > > >>> our > > > >>> > ancient sages. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar > > charts? > > > >>> I am > > > >>> > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary > > > >>> positions, > > > >>> > yet led entirely different lives.* > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55 > > > >>> > Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43 > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik > > Lagna > > > >>> led > > > >>> > lives which had no similarity. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and > > bring > > > >>> out > > > >>> > the differences which can make a good learning experience for > > all of > > > >>> us. *To > > > >>> > start with, let us focus on their profession.* > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Regards > > > >>> > Neelam > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Dear Neelam ji, Please hold on for a day or two...thanks. blessings, Renu , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear All, > > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives having > two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and accept > the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our course of > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we come to > enjoy or suffer in this birth. > > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes each > person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon is the > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and blood > of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique > extensions for all of us. > > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a > different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will vary > with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the difference > in an individual's life. > > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which is > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as Nakshatra > is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of Panchanga. It > not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual but also > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially > vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by our > ancient sages. > > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts? I am > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary positions, > yet led entirely different lives.* > > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55 > Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43 > > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna led > lives which had no similarity. > > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring out > the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of us. *To > start with, let us focus on their profession.* > > > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Sure Renu ji. We are in no hurry! Please take your time. I know you'll do a systematic analysis.RegardsNeelamOn 15 February 2010 08:00, renunw <renunw wrote: Dear Neelam ji, Please hold on for a day or two...thanks. blessings, Renu , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear All, > > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives having > two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and accept > the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our course of > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we come to > enjoy or suffer in this birth. > > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes each > person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon is the > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and blood > of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique > extensions for all of us. > > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a > different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will vary > with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the difference > in an individual's life. > > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which is > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as Nakshatra > is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of Panchanga. It > not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual but also > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially > vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by our > ancient sages. > > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts? I am > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary positions, > yet led entirely different lives.* > > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55 > Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43 > > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna led > lives which had no similarity. > > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring out > the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of us. *To > start with, let us focus on their profession.* > > > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Dear Neelam Ji,You are right Sunday is for relaxation. Now I am attempting the two charts you have presented before the group.Basic birth chart is same in both the cases. Difference is in Janm nakshatras( therefore dashas) and divisional charts.In the birth charts, fifth lord Jupiter is placed in tenth house with ninth lord Moon.Connection of fifth and tenth houses is an indication towards professional education or education linked with profession.But this 5th and 10th connection is not getting repeated from chandra lagna.Fifth house from lagna is aspected Sun, Mercury and Mars.Where Mercury is in exaltation sign. Influences of these planets on fifth house from lagna is an indicative of technical education. From Moon sign fifth house is under the influence of Mars, Saturn and Jupiter. It is again indicating technical education.This is common to both the charts.Case-1, This person was born in Ketu/Saturn dasha, followed by complete 20 yrs of Venus mahadasha, placed in twelfth house as twelfth lord with third and fourth lord Saturn. Venus indicates travelling and shift of resdience, which is further confirmed by D-4.Venus with third lord exalted saturn in birth chart and being third lord of D-3 indicates, younger siblings born during this dasha.Now Venus is the planet shaping up his education mainly. Venus has no direct connections with 5th house/lord in birth chart.In D-24, Venus is placed in kendra in Jupiters sign. It is not influenced by the fifth house/lord in this chart or the lagna lord of this chart. It certainly raises a question about overall quality of his education during this mahadasha. Venus other than its placement in odd sign with Saturn is not giving much basis for technical education.This is followed by Suns dasha. The tenth lord placed in eleventh house with Mars and eleventh lord Mercury. Sun is lord of profession. In D-10 it is placed in lagna which indicated a period for starting professional life.Sun-Mars combination in birth chart and Sun aspected by Mars in D-10 is mostly indicating Government related job. But a start at low level which will improve in future dashas.Another observation is in Case-1 fifth house of D-10 is aspected by Venus and Moon two non technical planets.In case-2, birth takes place in Venus/Mercury dasha, far end of Venus dasha. Promise for siblings is here also.Dashas which are giving foundations to his education are Sun, Moon and Mars. Dashas which indicate more of technical education.In case2 he gets dasha of tenth lord Sun very eary in life. At such an early age results of Sun in eleventh house with eleventh lord will have to come to him through his fathers prosperity.Mahadasha of Mars would be the starting point in his career. Mars is also the lagna lord of D-10 placed in ninth house.Sun, Moon and Mars have connections with houses of wealth and gains. Getting these dasha since childhood is an indicative of prosperous background.Though in both the cases, eleventh house is associated with three planets, but dasha wise Case-1 gets dashas related to this house after the age of 21 whereas in case-2 it is from childhood. Here dashas strongly indicate destiny.Regards,Sonianeelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sat, 13 February, 2010 11:32:20 AM Destiny!! Dear All,We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives having two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and accept the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our course of life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we come to enjoy or suffer in this birth. From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes each person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon is the life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and blood of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique extensions for all of us. The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will vary with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the difference in an individual’s life. The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which is the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as Nakshatra is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of Panchanga. It not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual but also how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by our ancient sages. How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts? I am presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary positions, yet led entirely different lives.Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55 Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna led lives which had no similarity.I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring out the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of us. To start with, let us focus on their profession. RegardsNeelam The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Dear Neelam Ji, I need some extra time too .... may be by end of week. 8H & Ke keeping me busy . Regards, -Manoj neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 11:57:38 PMRe: Re: Destiny!! Sure Renu ji. We are in no hurry! Please take your time. I know you'll do a systematic analysis.RegardsNeelam On 15 February 2010 08:00, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Neelam ji,Please hold on for a day or two...thanks.blessings,Renu ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > Dear All,> > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives having> two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and accept> the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our course of> life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we come to> enjoy or suffer in this birth.> > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes each> person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon is the> life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and blood> of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique> extensions for all of us.> > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor> variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a> different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will vary> with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the difference> in an individual's life.> > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which is> the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as Nakshatra> is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of Panchanga. It> not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual but also> how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially> vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by our> ancient sages.> > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts? I am> presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary positions,> yet led entirely different lives.*> > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55> Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43> > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna led> lives which had no similarity.> > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring out> the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of us. *To> start with, let us focus on their profession.*> > > > Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Dear Manoj ji,Don't worry! Once you've reached 8th, House no 9 is not far!!Let us wait till the weekend. I'll reveal the details next week!Wish you the bestNeelam On 15 February 2010 20:31, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: Dear Neelam Ji, I need some extra time too .... may be by end of week. 8H & Ke keeping me busy . Regards, -Manoj neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sun, February 14, 2010 11:57:38 PMRe: Re: Destiny!! Sure Renu ji. We are in no hurry! Please take your time. I know you'll do a systematic analysis.RegardsNeelam On 15 February 2010 08:00, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Neelam ji,Please hold on for a day or two...thanks.blessings,Renu ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > Dear All,> > We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives having> two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and accept> the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our course of > life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we come to> enjoy or suffer in this birth.> > From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes each> person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon is the > life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and blood> of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique> extensions for all of us.> > The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor > variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a> different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will vary> with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the difference> in an individual's life.> > The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which is > the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as Nakshatra> is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of Panchanga. It> not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual but also > how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially> vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by our> ancient sages.> > *How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts? I am > presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary positions,> yet led entirely different lives.*> > Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55> Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43> > Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna led> lives which had no similarity.> > I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring out > the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of us. *To> start with, let us focus on their profession.*> > > > Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Dear Sonia ji,Thank you for your interesting and logical analysis! I am sorry, I cannot yet reveal the details as some of the members are yet to attempt.Nonetheless, I hope you've inspired and motivated others to participate too. That is how we learn. I again request Dev ji, Siva ji and others who use D-charts to try this exercise. I also request those who do not us D-charts but use divisions to try and show us how to differentiate between the two charts.And again, there may be others using some other specific technique, may also demonstrate their skills. Astrology is a vast ocean, there is no limit to the dips in its divinity and there is no end to the pearls we get with each dip!!RegardsNeelamOn 15 February 2010 19:20, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta wrote: Dear Neelam Ji,You are right Sunday is for relaxation. Now I am attempting the two charts you have presented before the group. Basic birth chart is same in both the cases. Difference is in Janm nakshatras( therefore dashas) and divisional charts.In the birth charts, fifth lord Jupiter is placed in tenth house with ninth lord Moon.Connection of fifth and tenth houses is an indication towards professional education or education linked with profession.But this 5th and 10th connection is not getting repeated from chandra lagna. Fifth house from lagna is aspected Sun, Mercury and Mars.Where Mercury is in exaltation sign. Influences of these planets on fifth house from lagna is an indicative of technical education. From Moon sign fifth house is under the influence of Mars, Saturn and Jupiter. It is again indicating technical education.This is common to both the charts.Case-1, This person was born in Ketu/Saturn dasha, followed by complete 20 yrs of Venus mahadasha, placed in twelfth house as twelfth lord with third and fourth lord Saturn. Venus indicates travelling and shift of resdience, which is further confirmed by D-4. Venus with third lord exalted saturn in birth chart and being third lord of D-3 indicates, younger siblings born during this dasha.Now Venus is the planet shaping up his education mainly. Venus has no direct connections with 5th house/lord in birth chart. In D-24, Venus is placed in kendra in Jupiters sign. It is not influenced by the fifth house/lord in this chart or the lagna lord of this chart. It certainly raises a question about overall quality of his education during this mahadasha. Venus other than its placement in odd sign with Saturn is not giving much basis for technical education.This is followed by Suns dasha. The tenth lord placed in eleventh house with Mars and eleventh lord Mercury. Sun is lord of profession. In D-10 it is placed in lagna which indicated a period for starting professional life. Sun-Mars combination in birth chart and Sun aspected by Mars in D-10 is mostly indicating Government related job. But a start at low level which will improve in future dashas.Another observation is in Case-1 fifth house of D-10 is aspected by Venus and Moon two non technical planets. In case-2, birth takes place in Venus/Mercury dasha, far end of Venus dasha. Promise for siblings is here also.Dashas which are giving foundations to his education are Sun, Moon and Mars. Dashas which indicate more of technical education. In case2 he gets dasha of tenth lord Sun very eary in life. At such an early age results of Sun in eleventh house with eleventh lord will have to come to him through his fathers prosperity.Mahadasha of Mars would be the starting point in his career. Mars is also the lagna lord of D-10 placed in ninth house.Sun, Moon and Mars have connections with houses of wealth and gains. Getting these dasha since childhood is an indicative of prosperous background. Though in both the cases, eleventh house is associated with three planets, but dasha wise Case-1 gets dashas related to this house after the age of 21 whereas in case-2 it is from childhood. Here dashas strongly indicate destiny. Regards,Sonia neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sat, 13 February, 2010 11:32:20 AM Destiny!! Dear All,We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives having two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and accept the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our course of life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we come to enjoy or suffer in this birth. From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes each person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon is the life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and blood of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique extensions for all of us. The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will vary with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the difference in an individual’s life. The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which is the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as Nakshatra is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of Panchanga. It not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual but also how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by our ancient sages. How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts? I am presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary positions, yet led entirely different lives.Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55 Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna led lives which had no similarity. I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring out the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of us. To start with, let us focus on their profession. RegardsNeelam The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Not a problem Neelam Ji. Heartiest congrats for your successful prediction. God bless you.Best wishes.Sonianeelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Mon, 15 February, 2010 9:03:35 PMRe: Destiny!! Dear Sonia ji,Thank you for your interesting and logical analysis! I am sorry, I cannot yet reveal the details as some of the members are yet to attempt.Nonetheless, I hope you've inspired and motivated others to participate too. That is how we learn. I again request Dev ji, Siva ji and others who use D-charts to try this exercise. I also request those who do not us D-charts but use divisions to try and show us how to differentiate between the two charts.And again, there may be others using some other specific technique, may also demonstrate their skills. Astrology is a vast ocean, there is no limit to the dips in its divinity and there is no end to the pearls we get with each dip!!RegardsNeelamOn 15 February 2010 19:20, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ > wrote: Dear Neelam Ji,You are right Sunday is for relaxation. Now I am attempting the two charts you have presented before the group. Basic birth chart is same in both the cases. Difference is in Janm nakshatras( therefore dashas) and divisional charts.In the birth charts, fifth lord Jupiter is placed in tenth house with ninth lord Moon.Connection of fifth and tenth houses is an indication towards professional education or education linked with profession.But this 5th and 10th connection is not getting repeated from chandra lagna. Fifth house from lagna is aspected Sun, Mercury and Mars.Where Mercury is in exaltation sign. Influences of these planets on fifth house from lagna is an indicative of technical education. From Moon sign fifth house is under the influence of Mars, Saturn and Jupiter. It is again indicating technical education.This is common to both the charts.Case-1, This person was born in Ketu/Saturn dasha, followed by complete 20 yrs of Venus mahadasha, placed in twelfth house as twelfth lord with third and fourth lord Saturn. Venus indicates travelling and shift of resdience, which is further confirmed by D-4. Venus with third lord exalted saturn in birth chart and being third lord of D-3 indicates, younger siblings born during this dasha.Now Venus is the planet shaping up his education mainly. Venus has no direct connections with 5th house/lord in birth chart. In D-24, Venus is placed in kendra in Jupiters sign. It is not influenced by the fifth house/lord in this chart or the lagna lord of this chart. It certainly raises a question about overall quality of his education during this mahadasha. Venus other than its placement in odd sign with Saturn is not giving much basis for technical education.This is followed by Suns dasha. The tenth lord placed in eleventh house with Mars and eleventh lord Mercury. Sun is lord of profession. In D-10 it is placed in lagna which indicated a period for starting professional life. Sun-Mars combination in birth chart and Sun aspected by Mars in D-10 is mostly indicating Government related job. But a start at low level which will improve in future dashas.Another observation is in Case-1 fifth house of D-10 is aspected by Venus and Moon two non technical planets. In case-2, birth takes place in Venus/Mercury dasha, far end of Venus dasha. Promise for siblings is here also.Dashas which are giving foundations to his education are Sun, Moon and Mars. Dashas which indicate more of technical education. In case2 he gets dasha of tenth lord Sun very eary in life. At such an early age results of Sun in eleventh house with eleventh lord will have to come to him through his fathers prosperity.Mahadasha of Mars would be the starting point in his career. Mars is also the lagna lord of D-10 placed in ninth house.Sun, Moon and Mars have connections with houses of wealth and gains. Getting these dasha since childhood is an indicative of prosperous background. Though in both the cases, eleventh house is associated with three planets, but dasha wise Case-1 gets dashas related to this house after the age of 21 whereas in case-2 it is from childhood. Here dashas strongly indicate destiny. Regards,Sonia neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>ancient_indian_ astrology <ancient_indian_ astrology> Sat, 13 February, 2010 11:32:20 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Destiny!! Dear All,We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives having two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and accept the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our course of life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we come to enjoy or suffer in this birth. From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes each person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon is the life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and blood of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique extensions for all of us. The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will vary with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the difference in an individual’s life. The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which is the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as Nakshatra is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of Panchanga. It not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual but also how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by our ancient sages. How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts? I am presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary positions, yet led entirely different lives.Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55 Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna led lives which had no similarity. I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring out the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of us. To start with, let us focus on their profession. RegardsNeelam The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. 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Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Dear NeealamjiA small lil effort frm my side1st native born on 12th oct 55The native will be having a profession related to exports,mostly working for a software consultancy firm. The MD of moon would have been a golden one where he would have made a hell lot of money.. AL/UL conjoined would have given him a very passionate relationship & a love marriage to tht same person,but i think the afflcition to venus and AK ,DK in 2/12 relationship in Rasi would have led to some sort of disturabances in his married life after ensuring a wonderful child.The wife would have come from a very rich and affluent family background ...this person probably is an MBAThe second native having birth on the next day,probably shows a very tormentous relationship whereby i guess even his image would have falllen down due to too much malice in the relationship,probably the thing would have been dragged to court bringing ill fame .The second person's D-24 shows lack of aptitude as far as formal education is concernd , i doubt if he ever persuaded a graduate course ..The 2nd person would have started his own business setup in MArs MD that is frm 75 to 82 and his business would have done good in that period ,but after that Rahu MD would have led to losses in business might be due to some sort of fraud and thus would have him compelled to accept a service..this person would have lots of accumulated debts pending against him ..my humble efforts in deciphering a wonderful puzzle called LIFERegardsdeepen thakkar--- On Mon, 15/2/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Destiny!! Date: Monday, 15 February, 2010, 9:03 PM Dear Sonia ji,Thank you for your interesting and logical analysis! I am sorry, I cannot yet reveal the details as some of the members are yet to attempt.Nonetheless, I hope you've inspired and motivated others to participate too. That is how we learn. I again request Dev ji, Siva ji and others who use D-charts to try this exercise. I also request those who do not us D-charts but use divisions to try and show us how to differentiate between the two charts.And again, there may be others using some other specific technique, may also demonstrate their skills. Astrology is a vast ocean, there is no limit to the dips in its divinity and there is no end to the pearls we get with each dip!!RegardsNeelamOn 15 February 2010 19:20, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ > wrote: Dear Neelam Ji,You are right Sunday is for relaxation. Now I am attempting the two charts you have presented before the group. Basic birth chart is same in both the cases. Difference is in Janm nakshatras( therefore dashas) and divisional charts.In the birth charts, fifth lord Jupiter is placed in tenth house with ninth lord Moon.Connection of fifth and tenth houses is an indication towards professional education or education linked with profession.But this 5th and 10th connection is not getting repeated from chandra lagna. Fifth house from lagna is aspected Sun, Mercury and Mars.Where Mercury is in exaltation sign. Influences of these planets on fifth house from lagna is an indicative of technical education. From Moon sign fifth house is under the influence of Mars, Saturn and Jupiter. It is again indicating technical education.This is common to both the charts.Case-1, This person was born in Ketu/Saturn dasha, followed by complete 20 yrs of Venus mahadasha, placed in twelfth house as twelfth lord with third and fourth lord Saturn. Venus indicates travelling and shift of resdience, which is further confirmed by D-4. Venus with third lord exalted saturn in birth chart and being third lord of D-3 indicates, younger siblings born during this dasha.Now Venus is the planet shaping up his education mainly. Venus has no direct connections with 5th house/lord in birth chart. In D-24, Venus is placed in kendra in Jupiters sign. It is not influenced by the fifth house/lord in this chart or the lagna lord of this chart. It certainly raises a question about overall quality of his education during this mahadasha. Venus other than its placement in odd sign with Saturn is not giving much basis for technical education.This is followed by Suns dasha. The tenth lord placed in eleventh house with Mars and eleventh lord Mercury. Sun is lord of profession. In D-10 it is placed in lagna which indicated a period for starting professional life. Sun-Mars combination in birth chart and Sun aspected by Mars in D-10 is mostly indicating Government related job. But a start at low level which will improve in future dashas.Another observation is in Case-1 fifth house of D-10 is aspected by Venus and Moon two non technical planets. In case-2, birth takes place in Venus/Mercury dasha, far end of Venus dasha. Promise for siblings is here also.Dashas which are giving foundations to his education are Sun, Moon and Mars. Dashas which indicate more of technical education. In case2 he gets dasha of tenth lord Sun very eary in life. At such an early age results of Sun in eleventh house with eleventh lord will have to come to him through his fathers prosperity.Mahadasha of Mars would be the starting point in his career. Mars is also the lagna lord of D-10 placed in ninth house.Sun, Moon and Mars have connections with houses of wealth and gains. Getting these dasha since childhood is an indicative of prosperous background. Though in both the cases, eleventh house is associated with three planets, but dasha wise Case-1 gets dashas related to this house after the age of 21 whereas in case-2 it is from childhood. Here dashas strongly indicate destiny. Regards,Sonia neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>ancient_indian_ astrology <ancient_indian_ astrology> Sat, 13 February, 2010 11:32:20 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Destiny!! Dear All,We have always debated and wondered why the destiny of the natives having two very similar charts are so widely different. We understand and accept the role of previous karma which actually defines and decides our course of life and destiny in the current life.This is the prarabdh which we come to enjoy or suffer in this birth. From where would the differences in this prarabdh emerge? What makes each person unique and how to see that in a chart? Lagna is the body, Moon is the life force and Sun is the soul. All other planets form the flesh and blood of the horoscope. But there are are LIMBS and ANGAS which are unique extensions for all of us. The LIMBS of the horoscope are the divisional charts, where each minor variation in time gets magnified in the particular division to give a different course in life. The divisional charts and their lagna will vary with the changing degrees of natal lagna and that would make the difference in an individual’s life. The topic of tithi raised by Sreenadh ji points to the Panchanga which is the basis of casting a chart. This allows us to focus on Moon as Nakshatra is the mansion of Moon and one of the most important ANGA of Panchanga. It not only reveals a lot about the life force (Moon) of an individual but also how it progresses through the dashas. Nakshatra dashas, especially vimshottri have been given much importance in predictive astrology by our ancient sages. How we can distinguish such subtle differences in two similar charts? I am presenting two charts of individuals who have similar planetary positions, yet led entirely different lives.Case 1: 12 Oct 1955/10.15 am/26N51, 80E55 Case 2: 13 Oct 1955/10.15 am/29N10, 75E43Let us try to see why these two individuals with same Vrishchik Lagna led lives which had no similarity. I invite all learned members to comment on these two charts and bring out the differences which can make a good learning experience for all of us. To start with, let us focus on their profession. RegardsNeelam The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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