Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Chakroborthy Ji,Following is my humble opinion.There are various parameters to measure the strength of a GrahaExaltation,debilitation,own house placement,freindly house placements all come under sthana bala.This sthana bala is more important compared to paksha bala for other grahas though other grahas also have paksha bala depending upon the paksha of birthPaksha bala is of special importance to moon ,so says phaladeepika and it also says that the yavanas have told this.Only few classics stress this point.Classics originating in languages other than sanskrit also have not stressed this point.Yet Paksha bala is equally important to determine whether moon will be give benefic results or malefic results.The name "bala" itself in Paksha bala or sthana bala conveys strength is measured.Thanks and best wishesVishnu--- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex <axeplex wrote:axeplex <axeplex Re: Debilitation of Planets Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 6:30 AM Chakrabortyji, I like disagreements more and people who are not YES man. This is how we learn more. My input is why do we consider Uchha bala in calculating Stana Bala in Shada Bala calculation, if it is not related to strength. regds Dev ancient_indian_ astrology, "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Dev-ji, > > I do disagree. IMHO........ . > > Exaltation & strength are not same. Exaltation is more of a qualitative thing. > > A planet can be exalted & weak. It can also be debilitated & strong. > > Moon in 6/7/8th house from Sun ( dwadashi/Trayodashi /Purnima etc) will be strong, Paksha-bal wise. > But it may be debilitated in the same time. > > A man can be highly capable (good strength) but not proper attitude (debilitated) . Similarly a man may not be capable > (lacking strength) but with very good attitude (exalted). > > regards > > Chakraborty > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of axeplex > Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:00 PM > ancient_indian_ astrology > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets > > > > Chiranjiv ji & Charaborty ji, > > What is exaltation? It is strength that planet gains. What is vargottama? It is again strength that planet gains? I am not devising any theory myself. Strength wise Vargottama is considered akin to Exaltation but off course, can never bestow exactly as exaltation. If planet is debilited and Vargottam, at most it can cancel the effect of debilitation but can not gain like exaltation. If planet is placed well and then in Vargottama, only then it can be akin to exaltation. > > In my previous post, I was talking of the native traits and those traits can very well be linked to Ascendant Makara, whose lord is Sat and then on top, it is Vargottama, gaining more strength. > > As per my understanding, Vargottama is considered w.r.t. Navamsa. > Sa in Lagna is not welcome but in the given case, it was in 4th as written by Chiranjiv ji. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Mehta-ji & Dev-ji, > > > > Being Vargottama gives strength. However, what sort of strength is unclear to me. > > > > One way of looking at it is...... using the Natal position of planet as Lagna & navamsa position as placement of the Planet > > Like if I am running Mercury MD, then I can treat natal position of Mercury as Lagna & see wrto this 'Lagna' where does > > the Navamsa of Mercury falls and find out the result from Mercury MD. This practice has a some good name (Probably > > 'Rasi Tulya navamsa ' or 'Navamsa Tulya Rasi' - but I always forget this). > > > > So, a vargottama planet will behave like it is in 'lagna' during its MD. Jupiter, even if debilitated, is welcome in lagna. So, > > a debilitated but Vargottama Lagna is welcome. But Saturn is never welcome. So, debilitated & vargottam Saturn is not > > welcome. As Mercury is quite welcome in lagna, Mercury MD should not have been bad... unless the dispositor (Jup) > > is quite affected. > > > > regards > > > > Chakraborty > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> [ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>] On Behalf Of chiranjiv mehta > > Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:13 PM > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets > > > > > > > > Dear Devji, > > > > True. as Mr Chakraborty said Vargottama does not mean exalation. > > I too have deb planet ( Mercury ) vargottama. Have just passed MD and now next MD nath is also in Mercury nakshatra. > > It has given me losses too. > > What vargottama does is reinforces the planets position albeit in this case as a debilitated planet. > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/2/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ > wrote: > > > > Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ > > > RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets > > "'ancient_indian_ astrology<%27ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>'" <ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>> > > Wednesday, 24 February, 2010, 3:07 PM > > > > > > Dear Dev-ji, > > > > > > You have written, > > > > //Vargottam is considered akin to exaltation// > > > > Please do clarify the point. Being Vargottama may give strength...but is it similar to being exlated ? > > > > I have debilitated Saturn but vargottama.. .have not seen much exaltation effect so far. > > > > regards > > > > Chakraborty > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of axeplex > > Wednesday, February 24, 2010 2:15 PM > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets > > > > > > To add on to what Chiranjivji has written, in the case given by Radhaji, Ascendant is Makara and there is vargottam. Vargottam is considered akin to exaltation, so traits of Sa shall be visible. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://in.mc946. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Radhaji, > > >  > > > In the eg you have given - Makara Lagna - It is safe to assume that this person lives in an old house, must be prone to colds and even consumption, seemingly emotionless and cold etc. This is because Saturn debilitated in 4th house. > > > Yet it will look at its house of exalation in 10th house. Therefore he will be painstakingly hard worker due to slow speed but will get good results. This work will at the cost of 4th house and its significations - like mother, home, reputation, friends circle, heart, health (6th house ) etc.  > > > Now as a Karaka he may have problems in leg ( limping), digestion ( fussy eater or poor in deigesting eaten food ), looks older than normal age etc. > > > This is how I feel planets work. > > >  > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/2/10, axeplex <axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://in.mc946. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 8:54 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Radhaji, > > > > > > Debilited planet may not always be bad. It depends where it is. Exaltation, debilitation etc. are all general dictums. Ju, known as one of the most benefic palnets shall be in exaltation for one year but it does not mean that all natives born in that year would stand benefited from this exaltation. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "aphoton47" <aphoton47@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > I know a person who has Saturn debilitated and vargottama, with Makar lagna, who is the most disciplined and hard-working person I know. > > > > > > > > --Radha > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadji, > > > > > Ã' > > > > > Debilitated planets look at their house of exalation. > > > > > Debilitation affects some parts. > > > > > This atricle presupposes results based on karakatawa that each planet represents. > > > > > I would like to state the following : > > > > > Ã' > > > > > Debilitated planets harm the house they occupy ( obviously ) and do good to the house they gaze but at the cost of the house they occupy for the Jataka. > > > > > Ã' > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/2/10, sreesog <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sreesog <sreesog@> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Debilitation of Planets > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 3:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ã' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > Ã' Ã' The following article is from: http://www.astrolog<http://www.astrolog /> icalmagazine. com/oct2009/ debilitation_ of_planets. phpÃ' > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > ============ ========= > > > > > > > > > > Debilitation of PlanetsA Different Perspective > > > > > > > > > > Both classical and modern works, either in the form of books or technical papers, have discussed the issue of the horoscopic effects of debilitated planets. Various rules have been provided that presumably result in the "cancellation of debilitation" and supposedly make a debilitated planet more effective than an exalted planet or a planet in its own sign. Based on a study of hundreds of horoscopes, the author has concluded that cancellation of debilitation, in the majority of cases, does not remove the inherent negative character imprints of debilitated planets but only provides offsets for material success. This article will only probe the surface of the issue and will be only of an introductory nature, leaving a more scholarly analysis of the issues involved to a future article by other researchers. > > > > > > > > > > The seven planets Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn are debilitated in Libra, Scorpio, Cancer, Pisces, Capricorn, Virgo and Aries. Let us consider some salient points pertaining to each planet so that the reader can extend the ideas further as he or she sees fit. The negative qualities of debilitated planets manifest themselves in slightly different ways, depending on location and ownership. In the example discussions that follow we will consider each planet is isolation from the rest of the horoscope and assume that there are no malefic influences on the planet under consideration, that neechabhanga raja yoga is present, and the that the planet has digbala. > > > > > > > > > > The Sun stands for many things but his primary functions in the human horoscope relate to the ego. When debilitated, persons tends to have an inferiority complexes even though they may have risen to the top of their professions. This will show itself sometimes as arrogance in an attempt to cover up their inferiority complexes. The Sun is the indicator of the strength of the human personality and when debilitated, the person is also likely to be internally weak, while appearing to be strong on the outside. > > > > > > > > > > The Moon represents the mind and when debilitated in a horoscope, the native tends to be extremely suspicious of other people's motives. Such a person often assumes that when two people are talking in their proximity that the two are conspiring in some way against the person. People with debilitated Moons tend to react adversely to any well meaning criticism, because in their mind, they equate criticism with hate, and may become extremely vindictive. > > > > > > > > > > Mars is an indicator of courage in a horoscope. When debilitated, a person tends to be a coward inwardly while putting on a brave front in others. As an example of such false courage one can look at those individuals in mid-level management positions who tend to bully their subordinate while going to extreme lengths of appeasement to keep their own bosses happy. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury represents the intellect and the nervous system. People with debilitated Mercury might be intelligent, assuming that other compensating conditions exist in the horoscope. However, this intelligence tends to be warped and the persons tend to take extreme intellectual positions that are very often at odds with those of a " normal intelligent person." > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is the planet of wisdom, religion and dignity. When debilitated in a horoscope, Jupiter tends to give the individual a veneer of selflessness and dignity but underneath the person tends to be very selfish, undignified and without manners. When linked by ownership or location to a specific house the behavior pattern specific to the house is negatively affected. For instance a person with a debilitated Jupiter ââ'¬" in the tenth or owning the tenth ââ'¬" will on the surface do good deeds to impress the people around him or her. However, behind the surface they will tend to be quite unscrupulous. > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the planet of art, sensuality, affection and love. When debilitated he makes it impossible for the person to truly appreciate art or to give and receive affection. Affection will be conditional at best and perverse at worst. However, the person will tend to display great warmth externally while really being cold inside and totally uncaring for others. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn rules discipline, ascetism, hard work and Karmic responsibilities. A person with a debilitated Saturn will tend to lack discipline and shirk hard work while pretending to be disciplined and being a hard worker. > > > > > > > > > > The above discussions assumed that the planets were debilitated but were otherwise strong by virtue of cancellation of debilitation. What would happen if a planet was debilitated but there was no cancellation? In this case the person would display the same negative traits but without the veneer of hypocrisy covering up his or her negative traits. In that sense, one may even conclude that from the point of view of a person's character one who has debilitated planets without cancellation is better than one with cancellation since at least the element of hypocrisy is not there. > > > > > > > > > > I encourage researchers to take a closer look at debilitated planets from the perspective of a person's innerself rather than in terms of their success in life. 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Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Madam, Lagna Lord Moon and 4th/7th Lord Jupiter ?Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Wed, 24/2/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Debilitation of Planets Date: Wednesday, 24 February, 2010, 11:57 PM Dear Senthil ji,I have given the correct date of birth of Sachin Tendulkar here on the group though there may be many in circulation. This is from the most authentic source, Sachin himself! Please check the chart and see for yourself. Incidentally, this great accomplishment also comes to him in ven-ke-su dasha which he's just switchin over to moon pratyantar. RegardsNeelam On 24 February 2010 22:49, senthil nathan <jpshelters (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Is it not 24th april Neelamji?Senthil --- On Wed, 24/2/10, Girish menon <horamag > wrote: Girish menon <horamag > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planetsancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, 24 February, 2010, 8:43 PM Dear Neelam ji21 April 1973/18.01/MumbaiMadam may be a typo error 1973regardsGirish--- On Wed, 2/24/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planetsancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, February 24, 2010, 6:49 AM Dear All,Sachin Tendulkar's chart makes an excellent study on debilitation and exaltation. You may find some answers.21 April 1973/18.01/MumbaiHe has 3 debilitated planets including LL, Moon, and 4/7 lord Jupiter and two exalted planets Sun and Mars. All planets in special signs!! It is easy to trace the planetary results for sportsmen like Sachin who have a clear and demonstrable phases in life. Career spanning Ketu and Venus mahadashas. 9L Venus with an exalted Sun, aspected by an exalted Mars! Luck with Excellence in sports! What about the debilitated benefics? Is it about fighting spirit that is at its best when benefics are down?I think we were also talking about 8H goodies sometime back!! Wasn't it hidden talent which came to fore in Ketu's mahadasha when he was just about 13-14. Both Venus and Sun are in ketu's star in 8H aspected by exalted 3-8 lord Mars from 5H. Open to discussion.. .RegardsNeelam On 24 February 2010 19:41, Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote: According to Phaladeepika, a vargottam planet should be considered to give results as if it is in his own sign. Thanks and best wishes vishnu --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> wrote: Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in>RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets"'ancient_indian_ astrology'" <ancient_indian_ astrology>Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:57 PM Dear Mehta-ji & Dev-ji, Being Vargottama gives strength. However, what sort of strength is unclear to me. One way of looking at it is...... using the Natal position of planet as Lagna & navamsa position as placement of the Planet Like if I am running Mercury MD, then I can treat natal position of Mercury as Lagna & see wrto this 'Lagna' where does the Navamsa of Mercury falls and find out the result from Mercury MD. This practice has a some good name (Probably 'Rasi Tulya navamsa ' or 'Navamsa Tulya Rasi' - but I always forget this). So, a vargottama planet will behave like it is in 'lagna' during its MD. Jupiter, even if debilitated, is welcome in lagna. So, a debilitated but Vargottama Lagna is welcome. But Saturn is never welcome. So, debilitated & vargottam Saturn is not welcome. As Mercury is quite welcome in lagna, Mercury MD should not have been bad... unless the dispositor (Jup) is quite affected. regards Chakraborty ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of chiranjiv mehtaWednesday, February 24, 2010 4:13 PMancient_indian_ astrologyRE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets Dear Devji, True. as Mr Chakraborty said Vargottama does not mean exalation. I too have deb planet ( Mercury ) vargottama. Have just passed MD and now next MD nath is also in Mercury nakshatra. It has given me losses too. What vargottama does is reinforces the planets position albeit in this case as a debilitated planet. Thanks & Regards Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Wed, 24/2/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> wrote: Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in>RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets"'ancient_indian_ astrology'" <ancient_indian_ astrology>Wednesday, 24 February, 2010, 3:07 PM Dear Dev-ji, You have written, //Vargottam is considered akin to exaltation// Please do clarify the point. Being Vargottama may give strength...but is it similar to being exlated ? I have debilitated Saturn but vargottama.. .have not seen much exaltation effect so far. regards Chakraborty ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of axeplexWednesday, February 24, 2010 2:15 PMancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets To add on to what Chiranjivji has written, in the case given by Radhaji, Ascendant is Makara and there is vargottam. Vargottam is considered akin to exaltation, so traits of Sa shall be visible.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Radhaji,>  > In the eg you have given - Makara Lagna - It is safe to assume that this person lives in an old house, must be prone to colds and even consumption, seemingly emotionless and cold etc. This is because Saturn debilitated in 4th house.> Yet it will look at its house of exalation in 10th house. Therefore he will be painstakingly hard worker due to slow speed but will get good results. This work will at the cost of 4th house and its significations - like mother, home, reputation, friends circle, heart, health (6th house ) etc.  > Now as a Karaka he may have problems in leg ( limping), digestion ( fussy eater or poor in deigesting eaten food ), looks older than normal age etc. > This is how I feel planets work.>  > Thanks & Regards> > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > --- On Tue, 23/2/10, axeplex <axeplex > wrote:> > > axeplex <axeplex >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 8:54 PM> > >  > > > > Radhaji,> > Debilited planet may not always be bad. It depends where it is. Exaltation, debilitation etc. are all general dictums. Ju, known as one of the most benefic palnets shall be in exaltation for one year but it does not mean that all natives born in that year would stand benefited from this exaltation.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "aphoton47" <aphoton47@ ..> wrote:> >> > I know a person who has Saturn debilitated and vargottama, with Makar lagna, who is the most disciplined and hard-working person I know.> > > > --Radha> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadji,> > >  > > > Debilitated planets look at their house of exalation.> > > Debilitation affects some parts. > > > This atricle presupposes results based on karakatawa that each planet represents.> > > I would like to state the following :> > >  > > > Debilitated planets harm the house they occupy ( obviously ) and do good to the house they gaze but at the cost of the house they occupy for the Jataka.> > >  > > > Thanks & Regards> > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/2/10, sreesog <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > sreesog <sreesog@>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Debilitation of Planets> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 3:12 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > >   The following article is from: http://www.astrolog icalmagazine. com/oct2009/ debilitation_ of_planets. php > > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > ============ =========> > > > > > Debilitation of PlanetsA Different Perspective > > > > > > Both classical and modern works, either in the form of books or technical papers, have discussed the issue of the horoscopic effects of debilitated planets. Various rules have been provided that presumably result in the "cancellation of debilitation" and supposedly make a debilitated planet more effective than an exalted planet or a planet in its own sign. Based on a study of hundreds of horoscopes, the author has concluded that cancellation of debilitation, in the majority of cases, does not remove the inherent negative character imprints of debilitated planets but only provides offsets for material success. This article will only probe the surface of the issue and will be only of an introductory nature, leaving a more scholarly analysis of the issues involved to a future article by other researchers. > > > > > > The seven planets Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn are debilitated in Libra, Scorpio, Cancer, Pisces, Capricorn, Virgo and Aries. Let us consider some salient points pertaining to each planet so that the reader can extend the ideas further as he or she sees fit. The negative qualities of debilitated planets manifest themselves in slightly different ways, depending on location and ownership. In the example discussions that follow we will consider each planet is isolation from the rest of the horoscope and assume that there are no malefic influences on the planet under consideration, that neechabhanga raja yoga is present, and the that the planet has digbala. > > > > > > The Sun stands for many things but his primary functions in the human horoscope relate to the ego. When debilitated, persons tends to have an inferiority complexes even though they may have risen to the top of their professions. This will show itself sometimes as arrogance in an attempt to cover up their inferiority complexes. The Sun is the indicator of the strength of the human personality and when debilitated, the person is also likely to be internally weak, while appearing to be strong on the outside. > > > > > > The Moon represents the mind and when debilitated in a horoscope, the native tends to be extremely suspicious of other people's motives. Such a person often assumes that when two people are talking in their proximity that the two are conspiring in some way against the person. People with debilitated Moons tend to react adversely to any well meaning criticism, because in their mind, they equate criticism with hate, and may become extremely vindictive. > > > > > > Mars is an indicator of courage in a horoscope. When debilitated, a person tends to be a coward inwardly while putting on a brave front in others. As an example of such false courage one can look at those individuals in mid-level management positions who tend to bully their subordinate while going to extreme lengths of appeasement to keep their own bosses happy. > > > > > > Mercury represents the intellect and the nervous system. People with debilitated Mercury might be intelligent, assuming that other compensating conditions exist in the horoscope. However, this intelligence tends to be warped and the persons tend to take extreme intellectual positions that are very often at odds with those of a " normal intelligent person." > > > > > > Jupiter is the planet of wisdom, religion and dignity. When debilitated in a horoscope, Jupiter tends to give the individual a veneer of selflessness and dignity but underneath the person tends to be very selfish, undignified and without manners. When linked by ownership or location to a specific house the behavior pattern specific to the house is negatively affected. For instance a person with a debilitated Jupiter â€" in the tenth or owning the tenth â€" will on the surface do good deeds to impress the people around him or her. However, behind the surface they will tend to be quite unscrupulous. > > > > > > Venus is the planet of art, sensuality, affection and love. When debilitated he makes it impossible for the person to truly appreciate art or to give and receive affection. Affection will be conditional at best and perverse at worst. However, the person will tend to display great warmth externally while really being cold inside and totally uncaring for others. > > > > > > Saturn rules discipline, ascetism, hard work and Karmic responsibilities. A person with a debilitated Saturn will tend to lack discipline and shirk hard work while pretending to be disciplined and being a hard worker. > > > > > > The above discussions assumed that the planets were debilitated but were otherwise strong by virtue of cancellation of debilitation. What would happen if a planet was debilitated but there was no cancellation? In this case the person would display the same negative traits but without the veneer of hypocrisy covering up his or her negative traits. In that sense, one may even conclude that from the point of view of a person's character one who has debilitated planets without cancellation is better than one with cancellation since at least the element of hypocrisy is not there. > > > > > > I encourage researchers to take a closer look at debilitated planets from the perspective of a person's innerself rather than in terms of their success in life. I think this area merits much research and study but unfortunately has not received the attention it deserves. > > > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > > > ============ =========> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Dear friends, I have had personal experience with Yogi Karve ji, during one of his visits to Delhi some years back. He is an extremely simply, pious and unassuming person, so much so, that at times you wonder whether such a soul still exists on earth, and that too in India where everyone is so much occupied with thoughts of ladder climbing and kicking the one above. During the meetings, he would simply look at you and describe the planetary position and the date and time and at times the panchang of the moment also. He finds a lot of mention in Shri K.N. Rao's books. This personal experience had a humbling effect. Comig to chart of "Tendua" as I refer to him, debilitated Moon in the third house, sixth lord aspecting sixth house and from Moon exalted Mars in the third house and exalted Sun in the sixth house, what else would one need for a sports person and that too with Venus in Gand Moola nakshatra. regards, Mouji Ram neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 8:19:32 PMRe: Re: Debilitation of Planets Dear All,Sachin Tendulkar's chart makes an excellent study on debilitation and exaltation. You may find some answers.21 April 1973/18.01/MumbaiHe has 3 debilitated planets including LL, Moon, and 4/7 lord Jupiter and two exalted planets Sun and Mars. All planets in special signs!! It is easy to trace the planetary results for sportsmen like Sachin who have a clear and demonstrable phases in life. Career spanning Ketu and Venus mahadashas. 9L Venus with an exalted Sun, aspected by an exalted Mars! Luck with Excellence in sports! What about the debilitated benefics? Is it about fighting spirit that is at its best when benefics are down?I think we were also talking about 8H goodies sometime back!! Wasn't it hidden talent which came to fore in Ketu's mahadasha when he was just about 13-14. Both Venus and Sun are in ketu's star in 8H aspected by exalted 3-8 lord Mars from 5H. Open to discussion.. .RegardsNeelam On 24 February 2010 19:41, Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote: According to Phaladeepika, a vargottam planet should be considered to give results as if it is in his own sign. Thanks and best wishes vishnu --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> wrote: Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in>RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets"'ancient_indian_ astrology'" <ancient_indian_ astrology>Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:57 PM Dear Mehta-ji & Dev-ji, Being Vargottama gives strength. However, what sort of strength is unclear to me. One way of looking at it is...... using the Natal position of planet as Lagna & navamsa position as placement of the Planet Like if I am running Mercury MD, then I can treat natal position of Mercury as Lagna & see wrto this 'Lagna' where does the Navamsa of Mercury falls and find out the result from Mercury MD. This practice has a some good name (Probably 'Rasi Tulya navamsa ' or 'Navamsa Tulya Rasi' - but I always forget this). So, a vargottama planet will behave like it is in 'lagna' during its MD. Jupiter, even if debilitated, is welcome in lagna. So, a debilitated but Vargottama Lagna is welcome. But Saturn is never welcome. So, debilitated & vargottam Saturn is not welcome. As Mercury is quite welcome in lagna, Mercury MD should not have been bad... unless the dispositor (Jup) is quite affected. regards Chakraborty ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of chiranjiv mehtaWednesday, February 24, 2010 4:13 PMancient_indian_ astrologyRE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets Dear Devji, True. as Mr Chakraborty said Vargottama does not mean exalation. I too have deb planet ( Mercury ) vargottama. Have just passed MD and now next MD nath is also in Mercury nakshatra. It has given me losses too. What vargottama does is reinforces the planets position albeit in this case as a debilitated planet. Thanks & Regards Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Wed, 24/2/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> wrote: Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in>RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets"'ancient_indian_ astrology'" <ancient_indian_ astrology>Wednesday, 24 February, 2010, 3:07 PM Dear Dev-ji, You have written, //Vargottam is considered akin to exaltation// Please do clarify the point. Being Vargottama may give strength...but is it similar to being exlated ? I have debilitated Saturn but vargottama.. .have not seen much exaltation effect so far. regards Chakraborty ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of axeplexWednesday, February 24, 2010 2:15 PMancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets To add on to what Chiranjivji has written, in the case given by Radhaji, Ascendant is Makara and there is vargottam. Vargottam is considered akin to exaltation, so traits of Sa shall be visible.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Radhaji,>  > In the eg you have given - Makara Lagna - It is safe to assume that this person lives in an old house, must be prone to colds and even consumption, seemingly emotionless and cold etc. This is because Saturn debilitated in 4th house.> Yet it will look at its house of exalation in 10th house. Therefore he will be painstakingly hard worker due to slow speed but will get good results. This work will at the cost of 4th house and its significations - like mother, home, reputation, friends circle, heart, health (6th house ) etc.  > Now as a Karaka he may have problems in leg ( limping), digestion ( fussy eater or poor in deigesting eaten food ), looks older than normal age etc. > This is how I feel planets work.>  > Thanks & Regards> > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > --- On Tue, 23/2/10, axeplex <axeplex > wrote:> > > axeplex <axeplex >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 8:54 PM> > >  > > > > Radhaji,> > Debilited planet may not always be bad. It depends where it is. Exaltation, debilitation etc. are all general dictums. Ju, known as one of the most benefic palnets shall be in exaltation for one year but it does not mean that all natives born in that year would stand benefited from this exaltation.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "aphoton47" <aphoton47@ ..> wrote:> >> > I know a person who has Saturn debilitated and vargottama, with Makar lagna, who is the most disciplined and hard-working person I know.> > > > --Radha> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadji,> > >  > > > Debilitated planets look at their house of exalation.> > > Debilitation affects some parts. > > > This atricle presupposes results based on karakatawa that each planet represents.> > > I would like to state the following :> > >  > > > Debilitated planets harm the house they occupy ( obviously ) and do good to the house they gaze but at the cost of the house they occupy for the Jataka.> > >  > > > Thanks & Regards> > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/2/10, sreesog <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > sreesog <sreesog@>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Debilitation of Planets> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 3:12 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > >   The following article is from: http://www.astrolog/ icalmagazine. com/oct2009/ debilitation_ of_planets. php > > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > ============ =========> > > > > > Debilitation of PlanetsA Different Perspective > > > > > > Both classical and modern works, either in the form of books or technical papers, have discussed the issue of the horoscopic effects of debilitated planets. Various rules have been provided that presumably result in the "cancellation of debilitation" and supposedly make a debilitated planet more effective than an exalted planet or a planet in its own sign. Based on a study of hundreds of horoscopes, the author has concluded that cancellation of debilitation, in the majority of cases, does not remove the inherent negative character imprints of debilitated planets but only provides offsets for material success. This article will only probe the surface of the issue and will be only of an introductory nature, leaving a more scholarly analysis of the issues involved to a future article by other researchers. > > > > > > The seven planets Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn are debilitated in Libra, Scorpio, Cancer, Pisces, Capricorn, Virgo and Aries. Let us consider some salient points pertaining to each planet so that the reader can extend the ideas further as he or she sees fit. The negative qualities of debilitated planets manifest themselves in slightly different ways, depending on location and ownership. In the example discussions that follow we will consider each planet is isolation from the rest of the horoscope and assume that there are no malefic influences on the planet under consideration, that neechabhanga raja yoga is present, and the that the planet has digbala. > > > > > > The Sun stands for many things but his primary functions in the human horoscope relate to the ego. When debilitated, persons tends to have an inferiority complexes even though they may have risen to the top of their professions. This will show itself sometimes as arrogance in an attempt to cover up their inferiority complexes. The Sun is the indicator of the strength of the human personality and when debilitated, the person is also likely to be internally weak, while appearing to be strong on the outside. > > > > > > The Moon represents the mind and when debilitated in a horoscope, the native tends to be extremely suspicious of other people's motives. Such a person often assumes that when two people are talking in their proximity that the two are conspiring in some way against the person. People with debilitated Moons tend to react adversely to any well meaning criticism, because in their mind, they equate criticism with hate, and may become extremely vindictive. > > > > > > Mars is an indicator of courage in a horoscope. When debilitated, a person tends to be a coward inwardly while putting on a brave front in others. As an example of such false courage one can look at those individuals in mid-level management positions who tend to bully their subordinate while going to extreme lengths of appeasement to keep their own bosses happy. > > > > > > Mercury represents the intellect and the nervous system. People with debilitated Mercury might be intelligent, assuming that other compensating conditions exist in the horoscope. However, this intelligence tends to be warped and the persons tend to take extreme intellectual positions that are very often at odds with those of a " normal intelligent person." > > > > > > Jupiter is the planet of wisdom, religion and dignity. When debilitated in a horoscope, Jupiter tends to give the individual a veneer of selflessness and dignity but underneath the person tends to be very selfish, undignified and without manners. When linked by ownership or location to a specific house the behavior pattern specific to the house is negatively affected. For instance a person with a debilitated Jupiter â€" in the tenth or owning the tenth â€" will on the surface do good deeds to impress the people around him or her. However, behind the surface they will tend to be quite unscrupulous. > > > > > > Venus is the planet of art, sensuality, affection and love. When debilitated he makes it impossible for the person to truly appreciate art or to give and receive affection. Affection will be conditional at best and perverse at worst. However, the person will tend to display great warmth externally while really being cold inside and totally uncaring for others. > > > > > > Saturn rules discipline, ascetism, hard work and Karmic responsibilities. A person with a debilitated Saturn will tend to lack discipline and shirk hard work while pretending to be disciplined and being a hard worker. > > > > > > The above discussions assumed that the planets were debilitated but were otherwise strong by virtue of cancellation of debilitation. What would happen if a planet was debilitated but there was no cancellation? In this case the person would display the same negative traits but without the veneer of hypocrisy covering up his or her negative traits. In that sense, one may even conclude that from the point of view of a person's character one who has debilitated planets without cancellation is better than one with cancellation since at least the element of hypocrisy is not there. > > > > > > I encourage researchers to take a closer look at debilitated planets from the perspective of a person's innerself rather than in terms of their success in life. I think this area merits much research and study but unfortunately has not received the attention it deserves. > > > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > > > ============ =========> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Dear MadamI think the birth details of sachin is not correct.In his chart he is supposed to have Kaala sarpa dosha for which he had visited Kuke subramaniam. As per your date given he does not have KSY .I have one date which fits 24/4/1973 4.25 pm mumbai.Again i cannot claim authenticity on this time.Thanks and regardsGirish--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:Manoj Kumar <mouji99Re: Re: Debilitation of Planets Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 11:17 PM Dear friends, I have had personal experience with Yogi Karve ji, during one of his visits to Delhi some years back. He is an extremely simply, pious and unassuming person, so much so, that at times you wonder whether such a soul still exists on earth, and that too in India where everyone is so much occupied with thoughts of ladder climbing and kicking the one above. During the meetings, he would simply look at you and describe the planetary position and the date and time and at times the panchang of the moment also. He finds a lot of mention in Shri K.N. Rao's books. This personal experience had a humbling effect. Comig to chart of "Tendua" as I refer to him, debilitated Moon in the third house, sixth lord aspecting sixth house and from Moon exalted Mars in the third house and exalted Sun in the sixth house, what else would one need for a sports person and that too with Venus in Gand Moola nakshatra. regards, Mouji Ram neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>ancient_indian_ astrologyWed, February 24, 2010 8:19:32 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets Dear All,Sachin Tendulkar's chart makes an excellent study on debilitation and exaltation. You may find some answers.21 April 1973/18.01/MumbaiHe has 3 debilitated planets including LL, Moon, and 4/7 lord Jupiter and two exalted planets Sun and Mars. All planets in special signs!! It is easy to trace the planetary results for sportsmen like Sachin who have a clear and demonstrable phases in life. Career spanning Ketu and Venus mahadashas. 9L Venus with an exalted Sun, aspected by an exalted Mars! Luck with Excellence in sports! What about the debilitated benefics? Is it about fighting spirit that is at its best when benefics are down?I think we were also talking about 8H goodies sometime back!! Wasn't it hidden talent which came to fore in Ketu's mahadasha when he was just about 13-14. Both Venus and Sun are in ketu's star in 8H aspected by exalted 3-8 lord Mars from 5H. Open to discussion.. .RegardsNeelam On 24 February 2010 19:41, Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote: According to Phaladeepika, a vargottam planet should be considered to give results as if it is in his own sign. Thanks and best wishes vishnu --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> wrote: Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in>RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets"'ancient_indian_ astrology'" <ancient_indian_ astrology>Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:57 PM Dear Mehta-ji & Dev-ji, Being Vargottama gives strength. However, what sort of strength is unclear to me. One way of looking at it is...... using the Natal position of planet as Lagna & navamsa position as placement of the Planet Like if I am running Mercury MD, then I can treat natal position of Mercury as Lagna & see wrto this 'Lagna' where does the Navamsa of Mercury falls and find out the result from Mercury MD. This practice has a some good name (Probably 'Rasi Tulya navamsa ' or 'Navamsa Tulya Rasi' - but I always forget this). So, a vargottama planet will behave like it is in 'lagna' during its MD. Jupiter, even if debilitated, is welcome in lagna. So, a debilitated but Vargottama Lagna is welcome. But Saturn is never welcome. So, debilitated & vargottam Saturn is not welcome. As Mercury is quite welcome in lagna, Mercury MD should not have been bad... unless the dispositor (Jup) is quite affected. regards Chakraborty ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of chiranjiv mehtaWednesday, February 24, 2010 4:13 PMancient_indian_ astrologyRE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets Dear Devji, True. as Mr Chakraborty said Vargottama does not mean exalation. I too have deb planet ( Mercury ) vargottama. Have just passed MD and now next MD nath is also in Mercury nakshatra. It has given me losses too. What vargottama does is reinforces the planets position albeit in this case as a debilitated planet. Thanks & Regards Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Wed, 24/2/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> wrote: Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in>RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets"'ancient_indian_ astrology'" <ancient_indian_ astrology>Wednesday, 24 February, 2010, 3:07 PM Dear Dev-ji, You have written, //Vargottam is considered akin to exaltation// Please do clarify the point. Being Vargottama may give strength...but is it similar to being exlated ? I have debilitated Saturn but vargottama.. .have not seen much exaltation effect so far. regards Chakraborty ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of axeplexWednesday, February 24, 2010 2:15 PMancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets To add on to what Chiranjivji has written, in the case given by Radhaji, Ascendant is Makara and there is vargottam. Vargottam is considered akin to exaltation, so traits of Sa shall be visible.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Radhaji,>  > In the eg you have given - Makara Lagna - It is safe to assume that this person lives in an old house, must be prone to colds and even consumption, seemingly emotionless and cold etc. This is because Saturn debilitated in 4th house.> Yet it will look at its house of exalation in 10th house. Therefore he will be painstakingly hard worker due to slow speed but will get good results. This work will at the cost of 4th house and its significations - like mother, home, reputation, friends circle, heart, health (6th house ) etc.  > Now as a Karaka he may have problems in leg ( limping), digestion ( fussy eater or poor in deigesting eaten food ), looks older than normal age etc. > This is how I feel planets work.>  > Thanks & Regards> > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > --- On Tue, 23/2/10, axeplex <axeplex > wrote:> > > axeplex <axeplex >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 8:54 PM> > >  > > > > Radhaji,> > Debilited planet may not always be bad. It depends where it is. Exaltation, debilitation etc. are all general dictums. Ju, known as one of the most benefic palnets shall be in exaltation for one year but it does not mean that all natives born in that year would stand benefited from this exaltation.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "aphoton47" <aphoton47@ ..> wrote:> >> > I know a person who has Saturn debilitated and vargottama, with Makar lagna, who is the most disciplined and hard-working person I know.> > > > --Radha> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadji,> > >  > > > Debilitated planets look at their house of exalation.> > > Debilitation affects some parts. > > > This atricle presupposes results based on karakatawa that each planet represents.> > > I would like to state the following :> > >  > > > Debilitated planets harm the house they occupy ( obviously ) and do good to the house they gaze but at the cost of the house they occupy for the Jataka.> > >  > > > Thanks & Regards> > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/2/10, sreesog <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > sreesog <sreesog@>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Debilitation of Planets> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 3:12 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > >   The following article is from: http://www.astrolog / icalmagazine. com/oct2009/ debilitation_ of_planets. php > > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > ============ =========> > > > > > Debilitation of PlanetsA Different Perspective > > > > > > Both classical and modern works, either in the form of books or technical papers, have discussed the issue of the horoscopic effects of debilitated planets. Various rules have been provided that presumably result in the "cancellation of debilitation" and supposedly make a debilitated planet more effective than an exalted planet or a planet in its own sign. Based on a study of hundreds of horoscopes, the author has concluded that cancellation of debilitation, in the majority of cases, does not remove the inherent negative character imprints of debilitated planets but only provides offsets for material success. This article will only probe the surface of the issue and will be only of an introductory nature, leaving a more scholarly analysis of the issues involved to a future article by other researchers. > > > > > > The seven planets Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn are debilitated in Libra, Scorpio, Cancer, Pisces, Capricorn, Virgo and Aries. Let us consider some salient points pertaining to each planet so that the reader can extend the ideas further as he or she sees fit. The negative qualities of debilitated planets manifest themselves in slightly different ways, depending on location and ownership. In the example discussions that follow we will consider each planet is isolation from the rest of the horoscope and assume that there are no malefic influences on the planet under consideration, that neechabhanga raja yoga is present, and the that the planet has digbala. > > > > > > The Sun stands for many things but his primary functions in the human horoscope relate to the ego. When debilitated, persons tends to have an inferiority complexes even though they may have risen to the top of their professions. This will show itself sometimes as arrogance in an attempt to cover up their inferiority complexes. The Sun is the indicator of the strength of the human personality and when debilitated, the person is also likely to be internally weak, while appearing to be strong on the outside. > > > > > > The Moon represents the mind and when debilitated in a horoscope, the native tends to be extremely suspicious of other people's motives. Such a person often assumes that when two people are talking in their proximity that the two are conspiring in some way against the person. People with debilitated Moons tend to react adversely to any well meaning criticism, because in their mind, they equate criticism with hate, and may become extremely vindictive. > > > > > > Mars is an indicator of courage in a horoscope. When debilitated, a person tends to be a coward inwardly while putting on a brave front in others. As an example of such false courage one can look at those individuals in mid-level management positions who tend to bully their subordinate while going to extreme lengths of appeasement to keep their own bosses happy. > > > > > > Mercury represents the intellect and the nervous system. People with debilitated Mercury might be intelligent, assuming that other compensating conditions exist in the horoscope. However, this intelligence tends to be warped and the persons tend to take extreme intellectual positions that are very often at odds with those of a " normal intelligent person." > > > > > > Jupiter is the planet of wisdom, religion and dignity. When debilitated in a horoscope, Jupiter tends to give the individual a veneer of selflessness and dignity but underneath the person tends to be very selfish, undignified and without manners. When linked by ownership or location to a specific house the behavior pattern specific to the house is negatively affected. For instance a person with a debilitated Jupiter â€" in the tenth or owning the tenth â€" will on the surface do good deeds to impress the people around him or her. However, behind the surface they will tend to be quite unscrupulous. > > > > > > Venus is the planet of art, sensuality, affection and love. When debilitated he makes it impossible for the person to truly appreciate art or to give and receive affection. Affection will be conditional at best and perverse at worst. However, the person will tend to display great warmth externally while really being cold inside and totally uncaring for others. > > > > > > Saturn rules discipline, ascetism, hard work and Karmic responsibilities. A person with a debilitated Saturn will tend to lack discipline and shirk hard work while pretending to be disciplined and being a hard worker. > > > > > > The above discussions assumed that the planets were debilitated but were otherwise strong by virtue of cancellation of debilitation. What would happen if a planet was debilitated but there was no cancellation? In this case the person would display the same negative traits but without the veneer of hypocrisy covering up his or her negative traits. In that sense, one may even conclude that from the point of view of a person's character one who has debilitated planets without cancellation is better than one with cancellation since at least the element of hypocrisy is not there. > > > > > > I encourage researchers to take a closer look at debilitated planets from the perspective of a person's innerself rather than in terms of their success in life. I think this area merits much research and study but unfortunately has not received the attention it deserves. > > > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > > > ============ =========> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 That is great Manojji, some people have powers that can not be explained. Regarding Tendua chart, let first his birth details be confirmed, then only any analysis is valuable. regds Dev , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Dear friends, > > I have had personal experience with Yogi Karve ji, during one of his visits to Delhi some years back. He is an extremely simply, pious and unassuming person, so much so, that at times you wonder whether such a soul still exists on earth, and that too in India where everyone is so much occupied with thoughts of ladder climbing and kicking the one above. > > During the meetings, he would simply look at you and describe the planetary position and the date and time and at times the panchang of the moment also. He finds a lot of mention in Shri K.N. Rao's books. This personal experience had a humbling effect. > > Comig to chart of " Tendua " as I refer to him, debilitated Moon in the third house, sixth lord aspecting sixth house and from Moon exalted Mars in the third house and exalted Sun in the sixth house, what else would one need for a sports person and that too with Venus in Gand Moola nakshatra. > > regards, > > Mouji Ram > > > > > ________________________________ > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > > Wed, February 24, 2010 8:19:32 PM > Re: Re: Debilitation of Planets > >  > Dear All, > > Sachin Tendulkar's chart makes an excellent study on debilitation and exaltation. You may find some answers. > > 21 April 1973/18.01/Mumbai > > He has 3 debilitated planets including LL, Moon, and 4/7 lord Jupiter and two exalted planets Sun and Mars. All planets in special signs!! > > It is easy to trace the planetary results for sportsmen like Sachin who have a clear and demonstrable phases in life. > > Career spanning Ketu and Venus mahadashas. > > 9L Venus with an exalted Sun, aspected by an exalted Mars! Luck with Excellence in sports! > > What about the debilitated benefics? Is it about fighting spirit that is at its best when benefics are down? > > I think we were also talking about 8H goodies sometime back!! Wasn't it hidden talent which came to fore in Ketu's mahadasha when he was just about 13-14. Both Venus and Sun are in ketu's star in 8H aspected by exalted 3-8 lord Mars from 5H. > > Open to discussion.. . > > Regards > Neelam On 24 February 2010 19:41, Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote: > >  > >According to Phaladeepika, a vargottam planet should be considered to give results as if it is in his own sign. > > > > > >Thanks and best wishes > > > > > >vishnu > > > > > >--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> wrote: > > > > > >>Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> > >>RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets > >> " 'ancient_indian_ astrology' " <ancient_indian_ astrology> > >>Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:57 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Dear Mehta-ji & Dev-ji, > >> > >>Being Vargottama gives strength. However, what sort of strength is unclear to me. > >> > >>One way of looking at it is...... using the Natal position of planet as Lagna & navamsa position as placement of the Planet > >>Like if I am running Mercury MD, then I can treat natal position of Mercury as Lagna & see wrto this 'Lagna' where does > >>the Navamsa of Mercury falls and find out the result from Mercury MD. This practice has a some good name (Probably > >>'Rasi Tulya navamsa ' or 'Navamsa Tulya Rasi' -  but I always forget this). > >> > >>So, a vargottama planet will behave like it is in 'lagna' during its MD.  Jupiter, even if debilitated, is welcome in lagna. So, > >>a debilitated but Vargottama Lagna is welcome.  But Saturn is never welcome. So, debilitated & vargottam Saturn is not > >>welcome.  As Mercury is quite welcome in lagna, Mercury MD should not have been bad... unless the dispositor (Jup) > >>is quite affected. > >> > >>regards > >> > >>Chakraborty > >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ > ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of chiranjiv mehta > >>Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:13 PM > >>ancient_indian_ astrology > >>RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets > >> > >> > >>Dear Devji, > >> > >>True. as Mr Chakraborty said Vargottama does not mean exalation. > >>I too have deb planet ( Mercury ) vargottama. Have just passed MD and now next MD nath is also in Mercury nakshatra. > >>It has given me losses too. > >>What vargottama does is reinforces the planets position albeit in this case as a debilitated planet. > >> > >>Thanks & Regards  > >> > >>Chiranjiv Mehta > >> > >> > >>--- On Wed, 24/2/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> > >>>RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets > >>> " 'ancient_indian_ astrology' " <ancient_indian_ astrology> > >>>Wednesday, 24 February, 2010, 3:07 PM > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Dear Dev-ji, > >>> > >>> > >>>You have written, > >>> > >>>//Vargottam is considered akin to exaltation// > >>> > >>>Please do clarify the point. Being Vargottama may give strength...but is it similar to being exlated ? > >>> > >>>I have debilitated Saturn but vargottama.. .have not seen much exaltation effect so far. > >>> > >>>regards > >>> > >>>Chakraborty  > >>> > >>> > ________________________________ > ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of axeplex > >>>Wednesday, February 24, 2010 2:15 PM > >>>ancient_indian_ astrology > >>>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets > >>> > >>> > >>>To add on to what Chiranjivji has written, in the case given by Radhaji, Ascendant is Makara and there is vargottam. Vargottam is considered akin to exaltation, so traits of Sa shall be visible. > >>> > >>>regds > >>>Dev > >>> > >>>ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Radhaji, > >>>>  > >>>> In the eg you have given - Makara Lagna - It is safe to assume that this person lives in an old house, must be prone to colds and even consumption, seemingly emotionless and cold etc. This is because Saturn debilitated in 4th house. > >>>> Yet it will look at its house of exalation in 10th house. Therefore he will be painstakingly hard worker due to slow speed but will get good results. This work will at the cost of 4th house and its significations - like mother, home, reputation, friends circle, heart, health (6th house ) etc.  > >>>> Now as a Karaka he may have problems in leg ( limping), digestion ( fussy eater or poor in deigesting eaten food ), looks older than normal age etc. > >>>> This is how I feel planets work. > >>>>  > >>>> Thanks & Regards > >>>> > >>>> Chiranjiv Mehta > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --- On Tue, 23/2/10, axeplex <axeplex@ > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> axeplex <axeplex@ > > >>>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets > >>>> ancient_indian_ astrology > >>>> Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 8:54 PM > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>  > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Radhaji, > >>>> > >>>> Debilited planet may not always be bad. It depends where it is. Exaltation, debilitation etc. are all general dictums. Ju, known as one of the most benefic palnets shall be in exaltation for one year but it does not mean that all natives born in that year would stand benefited from this exaltation. > >>>> > >>>> regds > >>>> Dev > >>>> > >>>> ancient_indian_ astrology, " aphoton47 " <aphoton47@ ..> wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > I know a person who has Saturn debilitated and vargottama, with Makar lagna, who is the most disciplined and hard-working person I know. > >>>> > > >>>> > --Radha > >>>> > > >>>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ > wrote: > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Dear Sreenadji, > >>>> > >  > >>>> > > Debilitated planets look at their house of exalation. > >>>> > > Debilitation affects some parts. > >>>> > > This atricle presupposes results based on karakatawa that each planet represents. > >>>> > > I would like to state the following : > >>>> > >  > >>>> > > Debilitated planets harm the house they occupy ( obviously ) and do good to the house they gaze but at the cost of the house they occupy for the Jataka. > >>>> > >  > >>>> > > Thanks & Regards > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Chiranjiv Mehta > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > --- On Tue, 23/2/10, sreesog <sreesog@> wrote: > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > sreesog <sreesog@> > >>>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Debilitation of Planets > >>>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > >>>> > > Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 3:12 PM > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > >  > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Dear All, > >>>> > >   The following article is from: http://www.astrolog/ icalmagazine. com/oct2009/ debilitation_ of_planets. php > >>>> > > Love and regards, > >>>> > > Sreenadh > >>>> > > ============ ========= > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Debilitation of PlanetsA Different Perspective > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Both classical and modern works, either in the form of books or technical papers, have discussed the issue of the horoscopic effects of debilitated planets. Various rules have been provided that presumably result in the " cancellation of debilitation " and supposedly make a debilitated planet more effective than an exalted planet or a planet in its own sign. Based on a study of hundreds of horoscopes, the author has concluded that cancellation of debilitation, in the majority of cases, does not remove the inherent negative character imprints of debilitated planets but only provides offsets for material success. This article will only probe the surface of the issue and will be only of an introductory nature, leaving a more scholarly analysis of the issues involved to a future article by other researchers. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > The seven planets Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn are debilitated in Libra, Scorpio, Cancer, Pisces, Capricorn, Virgo and Aries. Let us consider some salient points pertaining to each planet so that the reader can extend the ideas further as he or she sees fit. The negative qualities of debilitated planets manifest themselves in slightly different ways, depending on location and ownership. In the example discussions that follow we will consider each planet is isolation from the rest of the horoscope and assume that there are no malefic influences on the planet under consideration, that neechabhanga raja yoga is present, and the that the planet has digbala. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > The Sun stands for many things but his primary functions in the human horoscope relate to the ego. When debilitated, persons tends to have an inferiority complexes even though they may have risen to the top of their professions. This will show itself sometimes as arrogance in an attempt to cover up their inferiority complexes. The Sun is the indicator of the strength of the human personality and when debilitated, the person is also likely to be internally weak, while appearing to be strong on the outside. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > The Moon represents the mind and when debilitated in a horoscope, the native tends to be extremely suspicious of other people's motives. Such a person often assumes that when two people are talking in their proximity that the two are conspiring in some way against the person. People with debilitated Moons tend to react adversely to any well meaning criticism, because in their mind, they equate criticism with hate, and may become extremely vindictive. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Mars is an indicator of courage in a horoscope. When debilitated, a person tends to be a coward inwardly while putting on a brave front in others. As an example of such false courage one can look at those individuals in mid-level management positions who tend to bully their subordinate while going to extreme lengths of appeasement to keep their own bosses happy. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Mercury represents the intellect and the nervous system. People with debilitated Mercury might be intelligent, assuming that other compensating conditions exist in the horoscope. However, this intelligence tends to be warped and the persons tend to take extreme intellectual positions that are very often at odds with those of a " normal intelligent person. " > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Jupiter is the planet of wisdom, religion and dignity. When debilitated in a horoscope, Jupiter tends to give the individual a veneer of selflessness and dignity but underneath the person tends to be very selfish, undignified and without manners. When linked by ownership or location to a specific house the behavior pattern specific to the house is negatively affected. For instance a person with a debilitated Jupiter †" in the tenth or owning the tenth †" will on the surface do good deeds to impress the people around him or her. However, behind the surface they will tend to be quite unscrupulous. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Venus is the planet of art, sensuality, affection and love. When debilitated he makes it impossible for the person to truly appreciate art or to give and receive affection. Affection will be conditional at best and perverse at worst. However, the person will tend to display great warmth externally while really being cold inside and totally uncaring for others. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Saturn rules discipline, ascetism, hard work and Karmic responsibilities. A person with a debilitated Saturn will tend to lack discipline and shirk hard work while pretending to be disciplined and being a hard worker. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > The above discussions assumed that the planets were debilitated but were otherwise strong by virtue of cancellation of debilitation. What would happen if a planet was debilitated but there was no cancellation? In this case the person would display the same negative traits but without the veneer of hypocrisy covering up his or her negative traits. In that sense, one may even conclude that from the point of view of a person's character one who has debilitated planets without cancellation is better than one with cancellation since at least the element of hypocrisy is not there. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > I encourage researchers to take a closer look at debilitated planets from the perspective of a person's innerself rather than in terms of their success in life. I think this area merits much research and study but unfortunately has not received the attention it deserves. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Om Tat Sat > >>>> > > > >>>> > > ============ ========= > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./ / in/internetexplo rer/ > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Manoj kumar ji,Thanks for sharing your personal experience.It is indeed interesting to know that he is able to give details of birth just by looking at one 's face.From your Personal experience,how would you explain this feat.Just curious to know,-how long he takes to give the details.-how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by parents.-how much he charges-For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached?Thanks and best wishesvishnu--- On Thu, 2/25/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:Manoj Kumar <mouji99Re: Re: Debilitation of Planets Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 7:17 AM Dear friends, I have had personal experience with Yogi Karve ji, during one of his visits to Delhi some years back. He is an extremely simply, pious and unassuming person, so much so, that at times you wonder whether such a soul still exists on earth, and that too in India where everyone is so much occupied with thoughts of ladder climbing and kicking the one above. During the meetings, he would simply look at you and describe the planetary position and the date and time and at times the panchang of the moment also. He finds a lot of mention in Shri K.N. Rao's books. This personal experience had a humbling effect. Comig to chart of "Tendua" as I refer to him, debilitated Moon in the third house, sixth lord aspecting sixth house and from Moon exalted Mars in the third house and exalted Sun in the sixth house, what else would one need for a sports person and that too with Venus in Gand Moola nakshatra. regards, Mouji Ram neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>ancient_indian_ astrologyWed, February 24, 2010 8:19:32 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets Dear All,Sachin Tendulkar's chart makes an excellent study on debilitation and exaltation. You may find some answers.21 April 1973/18.01/MumbaiHe has 3 debilitated planets including LL, Moon, and 4/7 lord Jupiter and two exalted planets Sun and Mars. All planets in special signs!! It is easy to trace the planetary results for sportsmen like Sachin who have a clear and demonstrable phases in life. Career spanning Ketu and Venus mahadashas. 9L Venus with an exalted Sun, aspected by an exalted Mars! Luck with Excellence in sports! What about the debilitated benefics? Is it about fighting spirit that is at its best when benefics are down?I think we were also talking about 8H goodies sometime back!! Wasn't it hidden talent which came to fore in Ketu's mahadasha when he was just about 13-14. Both Venus and Sun are in ketu's star in 8H aspected by exalted 3-8 lord Mars from 5H. Open to discussion.. .RegardsNeelam On 24 February 2010 19:41, Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote: According to Phaladeepika, a vargottam planet should be considered to give results as if it is in his own sign. Thanks and best wishes vishnu --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> wrote: Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in>RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets"'ancient_indian_ astrology'" <ancient_indian_ astrology>Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:57 PM Dear Mehta-ji & Dev-ji, Being Vargottama gives strength. However, what sort of strength is unclear to me. One way of looking at it is...... using the Natal position of planet as Lagna & navamsa position as placement of the Planet Like if I am running Mercury MD, then I can treat natal position of Mercury as Lagna & see wrto this 'Lagna' where does the Navamsa of Mercury falls and find out the result from Mercury MD. This practice has a some good name (Probably 'Rasi Tulya navamsa ' or 'Navamsa Tulya Rasi' - but I always forget this). So, a vargottama planet will behave like it is in 'lagna' during its MD. Jupiter, even if debilitated, is welcome in lagna. So, a debilitated but Vargottama Lagna is welcome. But Saturn is never welcome. So, debilitated & vargottam Saturn is not welcome. As Mercury is quite welcome in lagna, Mercury MD should not have been bad... unless the dispositor (Jup) is quite affected. regards Chakraborty ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of chiranjiv mehtaWednesday, February 24, 2010 4:13 PMancient_indian_ astrologyRE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets Dear Devji, True. as Mr Chakraborty said Vargottama does not mean exalation. I too have deb planet ( Mercury ) vargottama. Have just passed MD and now next MD nath is also in Mercury nakshatra. It has given me losses too. What vargottama does is reinforces the planets position albeit in this case as a debilitated planet. Thanks & Regards Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Wed, 24/2/10, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in> wrote: Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2@ iocl.co.in>RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets"'ancient_indian_ astrology'" <ancient_indian_ astrology>Wednesday, 24 February, 2010, 3:07 PM Dear Dev-ji, You have written, //Vargottam is considered akin to exaltation// Please do clarify the point. Being Vargottama may give strength...but is it similar to being exlated ? I have debilitated Saturn but vargottama.. .have not seen much exaltation effect so far. regards Chakraborty ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of axeplexWednesday, February 24, 2010 2:15 PMancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets To add on to what Chiranjivji has written, in the case given by Radhaji, Ascendant is Makara and there is vargottam. Vargottam is considered akin to exaltation, so traits of Sa shall be visible.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Radhaji,>  > In the eg you have given - Makara Lagna - It is safe to assume that this person lives in an old house, must be prone to colds and even consumption, seemingly emotionless and cold etc. This is because Saturn debilitated in 4th house.> Yet it will look at its house of exalation in 10th house. Therefore he will be painstakingly hard worker due to slow speed but will get good results. This work will at the cost of 4th house and its significations - like mother, home, reputation, friends circle, heart, health (6th house ) etc.  > Now as a Karaka he may have problems in leg ( limping), digestion ( fussy eater or poor in deigesting eaten food ), looks older than normal age etc. > This is how I feel planets work.>  > Thanks & Regards> > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > --- On Tue, 23/2/10, axeplex <axeplex > wrote:> > > axeplex <axeplex >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Debilitation of Planets> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 8:54 PM> > >  > > > > Radhaji,> > Debilited planet may not always be bad. It depends where it is. Exaltation, debilitation etc. are all general dictums. Ju, known as one of the most benefic palnets shall be in exaltation for one year but it does not mean that all natives born in that year would stand benefited from this exaltation.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "aphoton47" <aphoton47@ ..> wrote:> >> > I know a person who has Saturn debilitated and vargottama, with Makar lagna, who is the most disciplined and hard-working person I know.> > > > --Radha> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadji,> > >  > > > Debilitated planets look at their house of exalation.> > > Debilitation affects some parts. > > > This atricle presupposes results based on karakatawa that each planet represents.> > > I would like to state the following :> > >  > > > Debilitated planets harm the house they occupy ( obviously ) and do good to the house they gaze but at the cost of the house they occupy for the Jataka.> > >  > > > Thanks & Regards> > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/2/10, sreesog <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > sreesog <sreesog@>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Debilitation of Planets> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 3:12 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > >   The following article is from: http://www.astrolog / icalmagazine. com/oct2009/ debilitation_ of_planets. php > > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > ============ =========> > > > > > Debilitation of PlanetsA Different Perspective > > > > > > Both classical and modern works, either in the form of books or technical papers, have discussed the issue of the horoscopic effects of debilitated planets. Various rules have been provided that presumably result in the "cancellation of debilitation" and supposedly make a debilitated planet more effective than an exalted planet or a planet in its own sign. Based on a study of hundreds of horoscopes, the author has concluded that cancellation of debilitation, in the majority of cases, does not remove the inherent negative character imprints of debilitated planets but only provides offsets for material success. This article will only probe the surface of the issue and will be only of an introductory nature, leaving a more scholarly analysis of the issues involved to a future article by other researchers. > > > > > > The seven planets Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn are debilitated in Libra, Scorpio, Cancer, Pisces, Capricorn, Virgo and Aries. Let us consider some salient points pertaining to each planet so that the reader can extend the ideas further as he or she sees fit. The negative qualities of debilitated planets manifest themselves in slightly different ways, depending on location and ownership. In the example discussions that follow we will consider each planet is isolation from the rest of the horoscope and assume that there are no malefic influences on the planet under consideration, that neechabhanga raja yoga is present, and the that the planet has digbala. > > > > > > The Sun stands for many things but his primary functions in the human horoscope relate to the ego. When debilitated, persons tends to have an inferiority complexes even though they may have risen to the top of their professions. This will show itself sometimes as arrogance in an attempt to cover up their inferiority complexes. The Sun is the indicator of the strength of the human personality and when debilitated, the person is also likely to be internally weak, while appearing to be strong on the outside. > > > > > > The Moon represents the mind and when debilitated in a horoscope, the native tends to be extremely suspicious of other people's motives. Such a person often assumes that when two people are talking in their proximity that the two are conspiring in some way against the person. People with debilitated Moons tend to react adversely to any well meaning criticism, because in their mind, they equate criticism with hate, and may become extremely vindictive. > > > > > > Mars is an indicator of courage in a horoscope. When debilitated, a person tends to be a coward inwardly while putting on a brave front in others. As an example of such false courage one can look at those individuals in mid-level management positions who tend to bully their subordinate while going to extreme lengths of appeasement to keep their own bosses happy. > > > > > > Mercury represents the intellect and the nervous system. People with debilitated Mercury might be intelligent, assuming that other compensating conditions exist in the horoscope. However, this intelligence tends to be warped and the persons tend to take extreme intellectual positions that are very often at odds with those of a " normal intelligent person." > > > > > > Jupiter is the planet of wisdom, religion and dignity. When debilitated in a horoscope, Jupiter tends to give the individual a veneer of selflessness and dignity but underneath the person tends to be very selfish, undignified and without manners. When linked by ownership or location to a specific house the behavior pattern specific to the house is negatively affected. For instance a person with a debilitated Jupiter â€" in the tenth or owning the tenth â€" will on the surface do good deeds to impress the people around him or her. However, behind the surface they will tend to be quite unscrupulous. > > > > > > Venus is the planet of art, sensuality, affection and love. When debilitated he makes it impossible for the person to truly appreciate art or to give and receive affection. Affection will be conditional at best and perverse at worst. However, the person will tend to display great warmth externally while really being cold inside and totally uncaring for others. > > > > > > Saturn rules discipline, ascetism, hard work and Karmic responsibilities. A person with a debilitated Saturn will tend to lack discipline and shirk hard work while pretending to be disciplined and being a hard worker. > > > > > > The above discussions assumed that the planets were debilitated but were otherwise strong by virtue of cancellation of debilitation. What would happen if a planet was debilitated but there was no cancellation? In this case the person would display the same negative traits but without the veneer of hypocrisy covering up his or her negative traits. In that sense, one may even conclude that from the point of view of a person's character one who has debilitated planets without cancellation is better than one with cancellation since at least the element of hypocrisy is not there. > > > > > > I encourage researchers to take a closer look at debilitated planets from the perspective of a person's innerself rather than in terms of their success in life. I think this area merits much research and study but unfortunately has not received the attention it deserves. > > > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > > > ============ =========> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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