Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Dear bhaskarji Thanks for sharing your experience. Just curious to know some additional information regarding your experience. 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or as i read somewhere he can find and tell them to us? 2.How much did he charge? 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by parents. 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached? 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word that he has spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of intuition consistently while reading horoscopes. I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience. Thanks and best wishes vishnu , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Dev ji, > > Just informing you that the Yogiji Shri Manoj ji is talking of, > undoubetdly has spiritual powers, but employs astronomy, maths and > astrology too. My Birth rectification he did by asking his Secretary to > calculate certain formulaes which he himself did mentally, but which his > secretary did on a piece of a paper, with me sitting besides. And all > this he does within minutes and in front of all.... This feat can be > replicated by one who is a seeker and who gets access to learn from a > Guru like him.... > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > Moreover, in both cases we were discussing past events and not > predicting future. I did not know that this group is more about > predicting events, all I knew it is more for discussion. True > predictions do not need the support of astrology always and can even > come through powers like Manojji has referred that of a Yogi. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > I agree, > > > > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering for > the > > > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict > > > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of time. So > > > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions..... I > > > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a > substitute id > > > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in > discussing > > > with both unknown identities. > > > > > > If any person argues that " This prediction should not have come " , > then > > > .. > > > > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction must > be > > > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same. > > > > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction given > and > > > argued against, is wrong. > > > > > > Simply saying that this " is not possible " makes no sense. > > > > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others views, > > > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the person > making > > > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is put > forth > > > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have not > learn > > > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar > > > <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a > good > > > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you > and > > > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your > analysis, > > > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation. > > > > > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the > > > validity/authenticity of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. > Rao. No > > > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are > indeed > > > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. > > > > > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower > level > > > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and > then > > > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even > get > > > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances > one's > > > own abilities. > > > > > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM > > > > Re: Destiny!! > > > > > > > > Â > > > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples > are > > > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. > And > > > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's > > > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the > > > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt > > > related job in case 1. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of > > > knowledge in > > > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic > and > > > give > > > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not > available > > > and mostly > > > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much > > > hand > > > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of > it > > > could've > > > > > been preserved since ages? > > > > > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application > were > > > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and > > > imagine the > > > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL > > > operations!! > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you > feel > > > is > > > > > right. :-) > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of > the > > > classics. I > > > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory > > > part. And I > > > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is > > > better if you > > > > > > can provide > > > > > > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > > > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her > > > analysis > > > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as > Govt > > > related job > > > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's > > > education level. > > > > > > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as > you > > > have > > > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com<ancient_indian_ > > > astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples > that > > > justifies > > > > > > its > > > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ / > > > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points > by > > > great > > > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be > > > questioned. If we > > > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be > referring > > > to > > > > > > hundreds > > > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You > can > > > form > > > > > > your > > > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and > apply > > > on > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by > them. > > > You've > > > > > > shaken > > > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative > > > analysis in a > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read > it > > > correctly > > > > > > or > > > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of > > > saying they > > > > > > are > > > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological > reasoning > > > for > > > > > > saying > > > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically > comment > > > and > > > > > > reject > > > > > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are > > > authentic. Even if > > > > > > I > > > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run > > > quiz on real > > > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written > by > > > any one, > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and > authenticity of > > > data can > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons > have > > > same natal > > > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be > really > > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth > by > > > Sh K N > > > > > > Rao. > > > > > > > > Sh > > > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the > > > differences in two > > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The > following > > > points > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the > difference > > > in the > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional > charts. > > > Here we > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. > > > Changing > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously > > > results > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha > sequence > > > decising > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major > > > difference in > > > > > > > > life's > > > > > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a > > > high ranking > > > > > > > > > government official. > > > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother > and a > > > youngest > > > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His > > > father dies > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on > to > > > become an > > > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more > > > sisters after > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger > > > daughter. His > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and > has > > > correctly > > > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and > with > > > an > > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Vishni ji, 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or as i readsomewhere he can find and tell them to us? He just asked me the birth date and year. And not the time. And within minutes he narrated all the positions of my planets too in my chart. 2.How much did he charge? He does not accept money. Those who have some dignity would normally yet take some offerings which they could deposit in the temple built in the inner rooms of his inhabitance.3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by parents. Better than close. In fact could be said as perfect.4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached? Even for residents of Maharashtra, you will get him only if you are lucky. Even after I took appointment on phone after speaking personally with him, I had to wait from morning 10.30 till evening 7.30 for my turn to come. That too I was not sure for there were hundred people seated around him, and only those were eligible (of His Divine glance) would be asked of their problem. (Do not ask for his number. My Cell phone is lost, and that was 6 years back ) 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word that he hasspiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of intuitionconsistently while reading horoscopes. I had gone there if I remember only once for my chart. He gave me the perfect birth time , and I asked him about my Father who was in ICU for 3 months whether he would survive or not, and he said that do not worry for at least next 3-5 years. He was the only astrologer to have promised that nothing would happen to my father. I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience. One has to reach and Know God, to describe about Him. Same with such venerated Yogis. thanks and regards, Bhaskar. , "Vishnu" <vishnumohanalj wrote:>> Dear bhaskarji> > Thanks for sharing your experience.> > Just curious to know some additional information regarding your experience.> > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or as i read somewhere he can find and tell them to us?> > 2.How much did he charge?> > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by parents.> > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached?> > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word that he has spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of intuition consistently while reading horoscopes.> > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience.> > > Thanks and best wishes> > vishnu> > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > Just informing you that the Yogiji Shri Manoj ji is talking of,> > undoubetdly has spiritual powers, but employs astronomy, maths and> > astrology too. My Birth rectification he did by asking his Secretary to> > calculate certain formulaes which he himself did mentally, but which his> > secretary did on a piece of a paper, with me sitting besides. And all> > this he does within minutes and in front of all.... This feat can be> > replicated by one who is a seeker and who gets access to learn from a> > Guru like him....> > > > best wishes,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > , "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Bhaskarji,> > >> > > Moreover, in both cases we were discussing past events and not> > predicting future. I did not know that this group is more about> > predicting events, all I knew it is more for discussion. True> > predictions do not need the support of astrology always and can even> > come through powers like Manojji has referred that of a Yogi.> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > I agree,> > > >> > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering for> > the> > > > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict> > > > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of time. So> > > > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions..... I> > > > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a> > substitute id> > > > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in> > discussing> > > > with both unknown identities.> > > >> > > > If any person argues that "This prediction should not have come " ,> > then> > > > ..> > > >> > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction must> > be> > > > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same.> > > >> > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction given> > and> > > > argued against, is wrong.> > > >> > > > Simply saying that this "is not possible" makes no sense.> > > >> > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others views,> > > > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the person> > making> > > > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is put> > forth> > > > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have not> > learn> > > > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow.> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , Manoj Kumar> > > > <mouji99@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > >> > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a> > good> > > > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you> > and> > > > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your> > analysis,> > > > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation.> > > > >> > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the> > > > validity/authenticity of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N.> > Rao. No> > > > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are> > indeed> > > > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books.> > > > >> > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower> > level> > > > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and> > then> > > > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even> > get> > > > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances> > one's> > > > own abilities.> > > > >> > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up.> > > > >> > > > > best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ________________________________> > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM> > > > > Re: Destiny!!> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples> > are> > > > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided.> > And> > > > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's> > > > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the> > > > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt> > > > related job in case 1.> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta> > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of> > > > knowledge in> > > > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic> > and> > > > give> > > > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not> > available> > > > and mostly> > > > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much> > > > hand> > > > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of> > it> > > > could've> > > > > > been preserved since ages?> > > > > >> > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application> > were> > > > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and> > > > imagine the> > > > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL> > > > operations!!> > > > > >> > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you> > feel> > > > is> > > > > > right. :-)> > > > > >> > > > > > Best wishes> > > > > > Neelam> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of> > the> > > > classics. I> > > > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory> > > > part. And I> > > > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is> > > > better if you> > > > > > > can provide> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her> > > > analysis> > > > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as> > Govt> > > > related job> > > > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's> > > > education level.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as> > you> > > > have> > > > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History.> > > > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com<ancient_indian_> > > > astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples//> > > > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples> > that> > > > justifies> > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ /> > > > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points> > by> > > > great> > > > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be> > > > questioned. If we> > > > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be> > referring> > > > to> > > > > > > hundreds> > > > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You> > can> > > > form> > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and> > apply> > > > on> > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by> > them.> > > > You've> > > > > > > shaken> > > > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? //> > > > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative> > > > analysis in a> > > > > > > book.> > > > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read> > it> > > > correctly> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of> > > > saying they> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological> > reasoning> > > > for> > > > > > > saying> > > > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically> > comment> > > > and> > > > > > > reject> > > > > > > > an information from such a renowned source.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are> > > > authentic. Even if> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Neelamji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book?> > > > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run> > > > quiz on real> > > > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written> > by> > > > any one,> > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and> > authenticity of> > > > data can> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > be guaranteed.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons> > have> > > > same natal> > > > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be> > really> > > > > > > interesting> > > > > > > > > but has to be real examples.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth> > by> > > > Sh K N> > > > > > > Rao.> > > > > > > > > Sh> > > > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the> > > > differences in two> > > > > > > > > similar> > > > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The> > following> > > > points> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the> > difference> > > > in the> > > > > > > two> > > > > > > > > > destinies.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional> > charts.> > > > Here we> > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not.> > > > Changing> > > > > > > ayanamsha> > > > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously> > > > results> > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > change,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha> > sequence> > > > decising> > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major> > > > difference in> > > > > > > > > life's> > > > > > > > > > patterns.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:*> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a> > > > high ranking> > > > > > > > > > government official.> > > > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother> > and a> > > > youngest> > > > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His> > > > father dies> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > 1987.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on> > to> > > > become an> > > > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more> > > > sisters after> > > > > > > > > him.> > > > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger> > > > daughter. His> > > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status).> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and> > has> > > > correctly> > > > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both.> > > > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and> > with> > > > an> > > > > > > excellent> > > > > > > > > > analysis in support!*> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Bhaskar Ji,Thanks for the prompt replies.From your writing ,i understand that you were lucky to meet a true yogi.It is interesting to know that he does not accepts money .What a person.I will try to find the phone number from some other sources and try to visit him.Hopefully somebody in this group who have also called him will come with phone number for me.I came to know from Google search that her daughter Pinky Karve is doing this over the phone.Looks like Karve yogiji has taught her this secret.I also read that his granddaughter is also trained in this.I just have one question from your response.I am given to understand that//he narrated all the positions of my planets too in my chart.//he has narrated you the planetary positions in your chart.In some charts which are borderline,Moon will be in one nakshatra or nakshatra pada with a particular ayanamsa ''for a given birth time'' and the nakshatra or pada may change with a different ayanamsha.of course these differences occur with other planets also,but more commonly with the moon.when you mean positions,do you mean rashi placement alone or intricate details like nakshatra and pada placements(in other words ,does he give degree placement of the planets)I am aware that with the birth time he gives one can cast a chart and check the degree placements of planets but it will still leave ayanamsa puzzle unsolved,which will not serve the complete purpose for a minority of people whose planetary positions (in padas or rashis)change with some of the popularly followed ayanamsas.I believe you should have also had this thoguht at some point of time after meeting him.please throw more light on this based on your personal experience.Thanks for sharing.Thanks and best wishesvishnu--- On Thu, 2/25/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 4:47 PM Dear Vishni ji, 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or as i readsomewhere he can find and tell them to us? He just asked me the birth date and year. And not the time. And within minutes he narrated all the positions of my planets too in my chart. 2.How much did he charge? He does not accept money. Those who have some dignity would normally yet take some offerings which they could deposit in the temple built in the inner rooms of his inhabitance.3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by parents. Better than close. In fact could be said as perfect.4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached? Even for residents of Maharashtra, you will get him only if you are lucky. Even after I took appointment on phone after speaking personally with him, I had to wait from morning 10.30 till evening 7.30 for my turn to come. That too I was not sure for there were hundred people seated around him, and only those were eligible (of His Divine glance) would be asked of their problem. (Do not ask for his number. My Cell phone is lost, and that was 6 years back ) 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word that he hasspiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of intuitionconsistently while reading horoscopes. I had gone there if I remember only once for my chart. He gave me the perfect birth time , and I asked him about my Father who was in ICU for 3 months whether he would survive or not, and he said that do not worry for at least next 3-5 years. He was the only astrologer to have promised that nothing would happen to my father. I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience. One has to reach and Know God, to describe about Him. Same with such venerated Yogis. thanks and regards, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu" <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear bhaskarji> > Thanks for sharing your experience.> > Just curious to know some additional information regarding your experience.> > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or as i read somewhere he can find and tell them to us?> > 2.How much did he charge?> > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by parents.> > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached?> > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word that he has spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of intuition consistently while reading horoscopes.> > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience.> > > Thanks and best wishes> > vishnu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > Just informing you that the Yogiji Shri Manoj ji is talking of,> > undoubetdly has spiritual powers, but employs astronomy, maths and> > astrology too. My Birth rectification he did by asking his Secretary to> > calculate certain formulaes which he himself did mentally, but which his> > secretary did on a piece of a paper, with me sitting besides. And all> > this he does within minutes and in front of all.... This feat can be> > replicated by one who is a seeker and who gets access to learn from a> > Guru like him....> > > > best wishes,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Bhaskarji,> > >> > > Moreover, in both cases we were discussing past events and not> > predicting future. I did not know that this group is more about> > predicting events, all I knew it is more for discussion. True> > predictions do not need the support of astrology always and can even> > come through powers like Manojji has referred that of a Yogi.> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > I agree,> > > >> > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering for> > the> > > > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict> > > > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of time. So> > > > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions. .... I> > > > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a> > substitute id> > > > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in> > discussing> > > > with both unknown identities.> > > >> > > > If any person argues that "This prediction should not have come " ,> > then> > > > ..> > > >> > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction must> > be> > > > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same.> > > >> > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction given> > and> > > > argued against, is wrong.> > > >> > > > Simply saying that this "is not possible" makes no sense.> > > >> > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others views,> > > > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the person> > making> > > > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is put> > forth> > > > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have not> > learn> > > > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow.> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar> > > > <mouji99@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > >> > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a> > good> > > > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you> > and> > > > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your> > analysis,> > > > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation.> > > > >> > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the> > > > validity/authentici ty of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N.> > Rao. No> > > > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are> > indeed> > > > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books.> > > > >> > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower> > level> > > > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and> > then> > > > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even> > get> > > > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances> > one's> > > > own abilities.> > > > >> > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up.> > > > >> > > > > best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples> > are> > > > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided.> > And> > > > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's> > > > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the> > > > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt> > > > related job in case 1.> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta> > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of> > > > knowledge in> > > > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic> > and> > > > give> > > > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not> > available> > > > and mostly> > > > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much> > > > hand> > > > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of> > it> > > > could've> > > > > > been preserved since ages?> > > > > >> > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application> > were> > > > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and> > > > imagine the> > > > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL> > > > operations!!> > > > > >> > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you> > feel> > > > is> > > > > > right. :-)> > > > > >> > > > > > Best wishes> > > > > > Neelam> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of> > the> > > > classics. I> > > > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory> > > > part. And I> > > > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is> > > > better if you> > > > > > > can provide> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her> > > > analysis> > > > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as> > Govt> > > > related job> > > > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's> > > > education level.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as> > you> > > > have> > > > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History.> > > > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com<ancient_indian_> > > > astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples//> > > > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples> > that> > > > justifies> > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ /> > > > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points> > by> > > > great> > > > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be> > > > questioned. If we> > > > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be> > referring> > > > to> > > > > > > hundreds> > > > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You> > can> > > > form> > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and> > apply> > > > on> > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by> > them.> > > > You've> > > > > > > shaken> > > > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? //> > > > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative> > > > analysis in a> > > > > > > book.> > > > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read> > it> > > > correctly> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of> > > > saying they> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological> > reasoning> > > > for> > > > > > > saying> > > > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically> > comment> > > > and> > > > > > > reject> > > > > > > > an information from such a renowned source.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are> > > > authentic. Even if> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Neelamji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book?> > > > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run> > > > quiz on real> > > > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written> > by> > > > any one,> > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and> > authenticity of> > > > data can> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > be guaranteed.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons> > have> > > > same natal> > > > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be> > really> > > > > > > interesting> > > > > > > > > but has to be real examples.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth> > by> > > > Sh K N> > > > > > > Rao.> > > > > > > > > Sh> > > > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the> > > > differences in two> > > > > > > > > similar> > > > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The> > following> > > > points> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the> > difference> > > > in the> > > > > > > two> > > > > > > > > > destinies.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional> > charts.> > > > Here we> > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not.> > > > Changing> > > > > > > ayanamsha> > > > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously> > > > results> > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > change,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha> > sequence> > > > decising> > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major> > > > difference in> > > > > > > > > life's> > > > > > > > > > patterns.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:*> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a> > > > high ranking> > > > > > > > > > government official.> > > > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother> > and a> > > > youngest> > > > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His> > > > father dies> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > 1987.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on> > to> > > > become an> > > > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more> > > > sisters after> > > > > > > > > him.> > > > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger> > > > daughter. His> > > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status).> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and> > has> > > > correctly> > > > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both.> > > > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and> > with> > > > an> > > > > > > excellent> > > > > > > > > > analysis in support!*> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Vishnu ji, When I visited this Great man, I had gone there for not asking him about my chart, but with a problem of my Fathers health and seeking an answer to the same. I had no astrological enquiries in my mind about any type of shades which you mentioned in Your mail. But before I spoke he asked me the date and year of my birth, and after that he begun speaking, and when such personages speak you do not disturb them. When he finished my planetary positions part, he asked me " Yes now tell me... " its then that I spoke about my fathers issue.... When ones Father is in ICU for 3 months and one has to live on the Top floor of the Hospital (Jaslok at Bombay) not knowing what will happen when next, and when one does not get sleep at night too (Because only ICU relatives are allowed to stay at night on the Top floor and every 10 minutes someones Bed No. is called on Phone for God knows various matters and one has to get up fearfully whenever the phone rings ) in such a state of environment theres no question which arises in the mind of the seeker apart then his immediate problem. In any case, with so many hundred around no one talks more than necessary. Everyone is waiting for his turn and wanting you to leave as soon as you can. All come there with their problems. No one comes for astrological discussions over there. Planetary positions to the degrees accuracy can be checked by any smart astrologer and one does not need to go to a Yogi for this. best wishes, Bhaskar. , , Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > Thanks for the prompt replies. > From your writing ,i understand that you were lucky to meet a true yogi.It is interesting to know that he does not accepts money .What a person.I will try to find the phone number from some other sources and try to visit him.Hopefully somebody in this group  who have also called him will come with phone number for me.I came to know from Google search that her daughter Pinky Karve is doing this over the phone.Looks like Karve yogiji has taught her this secret.I also read that his granddaughter is also trained in this. > I just have one question from your response. > I am given to understand that > //he narrated all the positions of my planets too in my chart.// > he has narrated you the planetary positions in your chart.In some charts which are borderline,Moon will be in one nakshatra or nakshatra pada with a particular ayanamsa  ''for a given birth time'' and  the nakshatra or pada may change with a different ayanamsha.of course these differences occur with other planets also,but more commonly with the moon. > when you mean positions,do you mean rashi placement alone or intricate details like nakshatra and pada placements(in other words ,does he give degree placement of the planets) > I am aware that with the birth time he gives one can cast a chart and check the degree placements of  planets but it will still leave ayanamsa puzzle unsolved,which will not serve the complete purpose for a minority of  people whose planetary positions (in padas or rashis)change with some of the popularly followed ayanamsas. > I believe you should have also had this thoguht at some point of time after meeting him. > please throw more light on this based on your personal experience.Thanks for sharing. > > Thanks and best wishes > vishnu > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 4:47 PM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Dear Vishni ji, > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or as i read > somewhere he can find and tell them to us? > He just asked me the birth date and year. And not the time. And within minutes he narrated all the positions of my planets too in my chart. > > 2.How much did he charge? > He does not accept money. Those who have some dignity would normally yet take some offerings which they could deposit in the temple built in the inner rooms of his inhabitance. > > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by parents. > Better than close. In fact could be said as perfect. > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached? > Even for residents of Maharashtra, you will get him only if you are lucky. Even after I took appointment on phone after speaking personally with him, I had to wait from morning 10.30 till evening 7.30 for my turn to come. That too I was not sure for there were hundred people seated around him, and only those were eligible (of His Divine glance) would be asked of their problem. (Do not ask for his number. My Cell phone is lost, and that was 6 years back ) > > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word that he has > spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of intuition > consistently while reading horoscopes. > I had gone there if I remember only once for my chart. He gave me the perfect birth time , and I asked him about my Father who was in ICU for 3 months whether he would survive or not, and he said that do not worry for at least next 3-5 years. He was the only astrologer to have promised that nothing would happen to my father. > > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience. > One has to reach and Know God, to describe about Him. Same with such venerated Yogis. > > thanks and regards, > Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Vishnu " <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear bhaskarji > > > > Thanks for sharing your experience. > > > > Just curious to know some additional information regarding your experience. > > > > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or as i read somewhere he can find and tell them to us? > > > > 2.How much did he charge? > > > > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by parents. > > > > > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached? > > > > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word that he has spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of intuition consistently while reading horoscopes. > > > > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience. > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > > > vishnu > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > Just informing you that the Yogiji Shri Manoj ji is talking of, > > > undoubetdly has spiritual powers, but employs astronomy, maths and > > > astrology too. My Birth rectification he did by asking his Secretary to > > > calculate certain formulaes which he himself did mentally, but which his > > > secretary did on a piece of a paper, with me sitting besides. And all > > > this he does within minutes and in front of all.... This feat can be > > > replicated by one who is a seeker and who gets access to learn from a > > > Guru like him.... > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > Moreover, in both cases we were discussing past events and not > > > predicting future. I did not know that this group is more about > > > predicting events, all I knew it is more for discussion. True > > > predictions do not need the support of astrology always and can even > > > come through powers like Manojji has referred that of a Yogi. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, > > > > > > > > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering for > > > the > > > > > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict > > > > > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of time. So > > > > > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions. ..... I > > > > > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a > > > substitute id > > > > > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in > > > discussing > > > > > with both unknown identities. > > > > > > > > > > If any person argues that " This prediction should not have come " , > > > then > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction must > > > be > > > > > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same. > > > > > > > > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction given > > > and > > > > > argued against, is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Simply saying that this " is not possible " makes no sense. > > > > > > > > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others views, > > > > > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the person > > > making > > > > > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is put > > > forth > > > > > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have not > > > learn > > > > > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar > > > > > <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a > > > good > > > > > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you > > > and > > > > > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your > > > analysis, > > > > > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the > > > > > validity/authentici ty of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. > > > Rao. No > > > > > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are > > > indeed > > > > > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower > > > level > > > > > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and > > > then > > > > > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even > > > get > > > > > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances > > > one's > > > > > own abilities. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples > > > are > > > > > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. > > > And > > > > > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's > > > > > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the > > > > > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt > > > > > related job in case 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of > > > > > knowledge in > > > > > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic > > > and > > > > > give > > > > > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not > > > available > > > > > and mostly > > > > > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much > > > > > hand > > > > > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of > > > it > > > > > could've > > > > > > > been preserved since ages? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application > > > were > > > > > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and > > > > > imagine the > > > > > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL > > > > > operations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you > > > feel > > > > > is > > > > > > > right. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of > > > the > > > > > classics. I > > > > > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory > > > > > part. And I > > > > > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is > > > > > better if you > > > > > > > > can provide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as > > > Govt > > > > > related job > > > > > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's > > > > > education level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as > > > you > > > > > have > > > > > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > > > > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com<ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > > > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples > > > that > > > > > justifies > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ / > > > > > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points > > > by > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be > > > > > questioned. If we > > > > > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be > > > referring > > > > > to > > > > > > > > hundreds > > > > > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You > > > can > > > > > form > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and > > > apply > > > > > on > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by > > > them. > > > > > You've > > > > > > > > shaken > > > > > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > > > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative > > > > > analysis in a > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read > > > it > > > > > correctly > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of > > > > > saying they > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological > > > reasoning > > > > > for > > > > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically > > > comment > > > > > and > > > > > > > > reject > > > > > > > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are > > > > > authentic. Even if > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run > > > > > quiz on real > > > > > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written > > > by > > > > > any one, > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and > > > authenticity of > > > > > data can > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons > > > have > > > > > same natal > > > > > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be > > > really > > > > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth > > > by > > > > > Sh K N > > > > > > > > Rao. > > > > > > > > > > Sh > > > > > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the > > > > > differences in two > > > > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The > > > following > > > > > points > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the > > > difference > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional > > > charts. > > > > > Here we > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. > > > > > Changing > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously > > > > > results > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha > > > sequence > > > > > decising > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major > > > > > difference in > > > > > > > > > > life's > > > > > > > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a > > > > > high ranking > > > > > > > > > > > government official. > > > > > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother > > > and a > > > > > youngest > > > > > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His > > > > > father dies > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on > > > to > > > > > become an > > > > > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more > > > > > sisters after > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger > > > > > daughter. His > > > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and > > > has > > > > > correctly > > > > > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and > > > with > > > > > an > > > > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Dear Bhaskar ji,Thanks for giving a detailed account of the meeting ,the circumstances preceding it and the conduction of the meeting.I do understand the situation you were in when you went to meet Yogiji.Now 6 yrs have elapsed approximately,hope your father is in good health.I agree with your point that one does not need to go to Yogis to find out planets accurate to the degree.We have astrologers for that.Glad to know that a humble personality is recognised by people and at the same time it will make life difficult for people like me outside maharastra to meet him .Thanks and best wishesVIshnu--- On Thu, 2/25/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 7:01 PM Dear Vishnu ji, When I visited this Great man, I had gone there for not asking him about my chart, but with a problem of my Fathers health and seeking an answer to the same. I had no astrological enquiries in my mind about any type of shades which you mentioned in Your mail. But before I spoke he asked me the date and year of my birth, and after that he begun speaking, and when such personages speak you do not disturb them. When he finished my planetary positions part, he asked me "Yes now tell me..." its then that I spoke about my fathers issue.... When ones Father is in ICU for 3 months and one has to live on the Top floor of the Hospital (Jaslok at Bombay) not knowing what will happen when next, and when one does not get sleep at night too (Because only ICU relatives are allowed to stay at night on the Top floor and every 10 minutes someones Bed No. is called on Phone for God knows various matters and one has to get up fearfully whenever the phone rings ) in such a state of environment theres no question which arises in the mind of the seeker apart then his immediate problem. In any case, with so many hundred around no one talks more than necessary. Everyone is waiting for his turn and wanting you to leave as soon as you can. All come there with their problems. No one comes for astrological discussions over there. Planetary positions to the degrees accuracy can be checked by any smart astrologer and one does not need to go to a Yogi for this. best wishes, Bhaskar. , ancient_indian_ astrology, Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > Thanks for the prompt replies. > From your writing ,i understand that you were lucky to meet a true yogi.It is interesting to know that he does not accepts money .What a person.I will try to find the phone number from some other sources and try to visit him.Hopefully somebody in this group  who have also called him will come with phone number for me.I came to know from Google search that her daughter Pinky Karve is doing this over the phone.Looks like Karve yogiji has taught her this secret.I also read that his granddaughter is also trained in this. > I just have one question from your response. > I am given to understand that > //he narrated all the positions of my planets too in my chart.// > he has narrated you the planetary positions in your chart.In some charts which are borderline,Moon will be in one nakshatra or nakshatra pada with a particular ayanamsa  ''for a given birth time'' and  the nakshatra or pada may change with a different ayanamsha.of course these differences occur with other planets also,but more commonly with the moon. > when you mean positions,do you mean rashi placement alone or intricate details like nakshatra and pada placements(in other words ,does he give degree placement of the planets) > I am aware that with the birth time he gives one can cast a chart and check the degree placements of  planets but it will still leave ayanamsa puzzle unsolved,which will not serve the complete purpose for a minority of  people whose planetary positions (in padas or rashis)change with some of the popularly followed ayanamsas. > I believe you should have also had this thoguht at some point of time after meeting him. > please throw more light on this based on your personal experience.Thanks for sharing. > > Thanks and best wishes > vishnu > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve > ancient_indian_ astrology > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 4:47 PM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Dear Vishni ji, > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or as i read > somewhere he can find and tell them to us? > He just asked me the birth date and year. And not the time. And within minutes he narrated all the positions of my planets too in my chart. > > 2.How much did he charge? > He does not accept money. Those who have some dignity would normally yet take some offerings which they could deposit in the temple built in the inner rooms of his inhabitance. > > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by parents. > Better than close. In fact could be said as perfect. > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached? > Even for residents of Maharashtra, you will get him only if you are lucky. Even after I took appointment on phone after speaking personally with him, I had to wait from morning 10.30 till evening 7.30 for my turn to come. That too I was not sure for there were hundred people seated around him, and only those were eligible (of His Divine glance) would be asked of their problem. (Do not ask for his number. My Cell phone is lost, and that was 6 years back ) > > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word that he has > spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of intuition > consistently while reading horoscopes. > I had gone there if I remember only once for my chart. He gave me the perfect birth time , and I asked him about my Father who was in ICU for 3 months whether he would survive or not, and he said that do not worry for at least next 3-5 years. He was the only astrologer to have promised that nothing would happen to my father. > > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience. > One has to reach and Know God, to describe about Him. Same with such venerated Yogis. > > thanks and regards, > Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu" <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear bhaskarji > > > > Thanks for sharing your experience. > > > > Just curious to know some additional information regarding your experience. > > > > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or as i read somewhere he can find and tell them to us? > > > > 2.How much did he charge? > > > > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by parents. > > > > > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached? > > > > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word that he has spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of intuition consistently while reading horoscopes. > > > > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience. > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > > > vishnu > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > Just informing you that the Yogiji Shri Manoj ji is talking of, > > > undoubetdly has spiritual powers, but employs astronomy, maths and > > > astrology too. My Birth rectification he did by asking his Secretary to > > > calculate certain formulaes which he himself did mentally, but which his > > > secretary did on a piece of a paper, with me sitting besides. And all > > > this he does within minutes and in front of all.... This feat can be > > > replicated by one who is a seeker and who gets access to learn from a > > > Guru like him.... > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > Moreover, in both cases we were discussing past events and not > > > predicting future. I did not know that this group is more about > > > predicting events, all I knew it is more for discussion. True > > > predictions do not need the support of astrology always and can even > > > come through powers like Manojji has referred that of a Yogi. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, > > > > > > > > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering for > > > the > > > > > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict > > > > > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of time. So > > > > > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions. ..... I > > > > > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a > > > substitute id > > > > > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in > > > discussing > > > > > with both unknown identities. > > > > > > > > > > If any person argues that "This prediction should not have come " , > > > then > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction must > > > be > > > > > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same. > > > > > > > > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction given > > > and > > > > > argued against, is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Simply saying that this "is not possible" makes no sense. > > > > > > > > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others views, > > > > > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the person > > > making > > > > > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is put > > > forth > > > > > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have not > > > learn > > > > > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar > > > > > <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia did a > > > good > > > > > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on you > > > and > > > > > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your > > > analysis, > > > > > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the > > > > > validity/authentici ty of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. > > > Rao. No > > > > > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are > > > indeed > > > > > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a lower > > > level > > > > > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that and > > > then > > > > > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could even > > > get > > > > > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely enhances > > > one's > > > > > own abilities. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why examples > > > are > > > > > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data provided. > > > And > > > > > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented Sonaiji's > > > > > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with the > > > > > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of Govt > > > > > related job in case 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission of > > > > > knowledge in > > > > > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and cryptic > > > and > > > > > give > > > > > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not > > > available > > > > > and mostly > > > > > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How much > > > > > hand > > > > > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how much of > > > it > > > > > could've > > > > > > > been preserved since ages? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and application > > > were > > > > > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples and > > > > > imagine the > > > > > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for REAL > > > > > operations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what you > > > feel > > > > > is > > > > > > > right. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any of > > > the > > > > > classics. I > > > > > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the theory > > > > > part. And I > > > > > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who is > > > > > better if you > > > > > > > > can provide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession as > > > Govt > > > > > related job > > > > > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on native's > > > > > education level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and as > > > you > > > > > have > > > > > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > > > > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com<ancient_ indian_ > > > > > astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > > > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples > > > that > > > > > justifies > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ / > > > > > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain points > > > by > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be > > > > > questioned. If we > > > > > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be > > > referring > > > > > to > > > > > > > > hundreds > > > > > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. You > > > can > > > > > form > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, and > > > apply > > > > > on > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by > > > them. > > > > > You've > > > > > > > > shaken > > > > > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > > > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative > > > > > analysis in a > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can read > > > it > > > > > correctly > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead of > > > > > saying they > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological > > > reasoning > > > > > for > > > > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically > > > comment > > > > > and > > > > > > > > reject > > > > > > > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are > > > > > authentic. Even if > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always question! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to run > > > > > quiz on real > > > > > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it written > > > by > > > > > any one, > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and > > > authenticity of > > > > > data can > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons > > > have > > > > > same natal > > > > > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would be > > > really > > > > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > com<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and Rebirth > > > by > > > > > Sh K N > > > > > > > > Rao. > > > > > > > > > > Sh > > > > > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the > > > > > differences in two > > > > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The > > > following > > > > > points > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the > > > difference > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional > > > charts. > > > > > Here we > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or not. > > > > > Changing > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and obviously > > > > > results > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha > > > sequence > > > > > decising > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a major > > > > > difference in > > > > > > > > > > life's > > > > > > > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and is a > > > > > high ranking > > > > > > > > > > > government official. > > > > > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger brother > > > and a > > > > > youngest > > > > > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. His > > > > > father dies > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went on > > > to > > > > > become an > > > > > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two more > > > > > sisters after > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a younger > > > > > daughter. His > > > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts and > > > has > > > > > correctly > > > > > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done and > > > with > > > > > an > > > > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Dear Vishnuji I had spoken to Yogi karves daughter over phone and she was able to tell my planetary degrees and birth time,she corrected my time by few minutes.They do not demand money but I did donate.The phone number is available in their website www.yogikarveastrologer.com. As far as other predictions are concerned I dont know as I never asked. He also does visit with her daughter to USA,I have never met them though. Once in the USA astrology conference someone wanted to ask him about a famous ladies birth time,before they mentioned who it was he told the birth chart and other details,it was Princess Diana.This was told to me by a person who was there that time. Regards Sooraj , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Vishni ji, > > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or > as i read > somewhere he can find and tell them to us? > > He just asked me the birth date and year. And not the time. And within > minutes he narrated all the positions of my planets too in my chart. > > 2.How much did he charge? > > He does not accept money. Those who have some dignity would normally yet > take some offerings which they could deposit in the temple built in the > inner rooms of his inhabitance. > > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by > parents. > > Better than close. In fact could be said as perfect. > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached? > > Even for residents of Maharashtra, you will get him only if you are > lucky. Even after I took appointment on phone after speaking personally > with him, I had to wait from morning 10.30 till evening 7.30 for my turn > to come. That too I was not sure for there were hundred people seated > around him, and only those were eligible (of His Divine glance) would be > asked of their problem. (Do not ask for his number. My Cell phone is > lost, and that was 6 years back ) > > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word that > he has > spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of intuition > consistently while reading horoscopes. > > I had gone there if I remember only once for my chart. He gave me the > perfect birth time , and I asked him about my Father who was in ICU for > 3 months whether he would survive or not, and he said that do not worry > for at least next 3-5 years. He was the only astrologer to have promised > that nothing would happen to my father. > > > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience. > > One has to reach and Know God, to describe about Him. Same with such > venerated Yogis. > > thanks and regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > , " Vishnu " > <vishnumohanalj@> wrote: > > > > Dear bhaskarji > > > > Thanks for sharing your experience. > > > > Just curious to know some additional information regarding your > experience. > > > > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or > as i read somewhere he can find and tell them to us? > > > > 2.How much did he charge? > > > > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by > parents. > > > > > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached? > > > > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word > that he has spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of > intuition consistently while reading horoscopes. > > > > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience. > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > > > vishnu > > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > Just informing you that the Yogiji Shri Manoj ji is talking of, > > > undoubetdly has spiritual powers, but employs astronomy, maths and > > > astrology too. My Birth rectification he did by asking his Secretary > to > > > calculate certain formulaes which he himself did mentally, but which > his > > > secretary did on a piece of a paper, with me sitting besides. And > all > > > this he does within minutes and in front of all.... This feat can be > > > replicated by one who is a seeker and who gets access to learn from > a > > > Guru like him.... > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " > <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > Moreover, in both cases we were discussing past events and not > > > predicting future. I did not know that this group is more about > > > predicting events, all I knew it is more for discussion. True > > > predictions do not need the support of astrology always and can even > > > come through powers like Manojji has referred that of a Yogi. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, > > > > > > > > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering > for > > > the > > > > > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict > > > > > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of > time. So > > > > > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and > descriptions..... I > > > > > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a > > > substitute id > > > > > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in > > > discussing > > > > > with both unknown identities. > > > > > > > > > > If any person argues that " This prediction should not have come > " , > > > then > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction > must > > > be > > > > > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same. > > > > > > > > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction > given > > > and > > > > > argued against, is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Simply saying that this " is not possible " makes no sense. > > > > > > > > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others > views, > > > > > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the > person > > > making > > > > > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is > put > > > forth > > > > > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have > not > > > learn > > > > > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar > > > > > <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia > did a > > > good > > > > > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on > you > > > and > > > > > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your > > > analysis, > > > > > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better > explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the > > > > > validity/authenticity of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. > > > Rao. No > > > > > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are > > > indeed > > > > > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a > lower > > > level > > > > > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that > and > > > then > > > > > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could > even > > > get > > > > > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely > enhances > > > one's > > > > > own abilities. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM > > > > > > Re: Destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why > examples > > > are > > > > > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data > provided. > > > And > > > > > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented > Sonaiji's > > > > > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with > the > > > > > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of > Govt > > > > > related job in case 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam > gupta > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission > of > > > > > knowledge in > > > > > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and > cryptic > > > and > > > > > give > > > > > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not > > > available > > > > > and mostly > > > > > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How > much > > > > > hand > > > > > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how > much of > > > it > > > > > could've > > > > > > > been preserved since ages? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and > application > > > were > > > > > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples > and > > > > > imagine the > > > > > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for > REAL > > > > > operations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what > you > > > feel > > > > > is > > > > > > > right. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any > of > > > the > > > > > classics. I > > > > > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the > theory > > > > > part. And I > > > > > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who > is > > > > > better if you > > > > > > > > can provide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession > as > > > Govt > > > > > related job > > > > > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on > native's > > > > > education level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and > as > > > you > > > > > have > > > > > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > > > > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com<ancient_indian_ > > > > > astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > > > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples > > > that > > > > > justifies > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ > / > > > > > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain > points > > > by > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be > > > > > questioned. If we > > > > > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be > > > referring > > > > > to > > > > > > > > hundreds > > > > > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. > You > > > can > > > > > form > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, > and > > > apply > > > > > on > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by > > > them. > > > > > You've > > > > > > > > shaken > > > > > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > > > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative > > > > > analysis in a > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can > read > > > it > > > > > correctly > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead > of > > > > > saying they > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological > > > reasoning > > > > > for > > > > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically > > > comment > > > > > and > > > > > > > > reject > > > > > > > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are > > > > > authentic. Even if > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always > question! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to > run > > > > > quiz on real > > > > > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it > written > > > by > > > > > any one, > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and > > > authenticity of > > > > > data can > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons > > > have > > > > > same natal > > > > > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would > be > > > really > > > > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and > Rebirth > > > by > > > > > Sh K N > > > > > > > > Rao. > > > > > > > > > > Sh > > > > > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the > > > > > differences in two > > > > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The > > > following > > > > > points > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the > > > difference > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional > > > charts. > > > > > Here we > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or > not. > > > > > Changing > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and > obviously > > > > > results > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha > > > sequence > > > > > decising > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a > major > > > > > difference in > > > > > > > > > > life's > > > > > > > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and > is a > > > > > high ranking > > > > > > > > > > > government official. > > > > > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger > brother > > > and a > > > > > youngest > > > > > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. > His > > > > > father dies > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went > on > > > to > > > > > become an > > > > > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two > more > > > > > sisters after > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a > younger > > > > > daughter. His > > > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts > and > > > has > > > > > correctly > > > > > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done > and > > > with > > > > > an > > > > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Yes. One gets overawed and recognise the strength and mercy of the Supreme which dawns on us through such souls. Since most of your queries have been answered by Bhaskar ji, there nothing to add from my side. regards, Mouji Ram Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 1:06:18 AMRe: Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve Dear Bhaskar ji, Thanks for giving a detailed account of the meeting ,the circumstances preceding it and the conduction of the meeting.I do understand the situation you were in when you went to meet Yogiji.Now 6 yrs have elapsed approximately, hope your father is in good health. I agree with your point that one does not need to go to Yogis to find out planets accurate to the degree.We have astrologers for that. Glad to know that a humble personality is recognised by people and at the same time it will make life difficult for people like me outside maharastra to meet him . Thanks and best wishes VIshnu --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karveancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, February 25, 2010, 7:01 PM Dear Vishnu ji,When I visited this Great man, I had gone there for not asking him aboutmy chart, but with a problem of my Fathers health and seeking an answerto the same. I had no astrological enquiries in my mind about any typeof shades which you mentioned in Your mail. But before I spoke he askedme the date and year of my birth, and after that he begun speaking, andwhen such personages speak you do not disturb them. When he finished myplanetary positions part, he asked me "Yes now tell me..." its then thatI spoke about my fathers issue....When ones Father is in ICU for 3 months and one has to live on the Topfloor of the Hospital (Jaslok at Bombay) not knowing what will happenwhen next, and when one does not get sleep at night too (Because onlyICU relatives are allowed to stay at night on the Top floor and every 10minutes someones Bed No. is called on Phone for God knows variousmatters and one has to get up fearfully whenever the phone rings ) insuch a state of environment theres no question which arises in the mindof the seeker apart then his immediate problem.In any case, with so many hundred around no one talks more thannecessary. Everyone is waiting for his turn and wanting you to leave assoon as you can. All come there with their problems. No one comes forastrological discussions over there.Planetary positions to the degrees accuracy can be checked by any smartastrologer and one does not need to go to a Yogi for this.best wishes,Bhaskar.,ancient_indian_ astrology, Vishnu Mohan<vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar Ji,> Thanks for the prompt replies.> From your writing ,i understand that you were lucky to meet a trueyogi.It is interesting to know that he does not accepts money .What aperson.I will try to find the phone number from some other sources andtry to visit him.Hopefully somebody in this group  who have alsocalled him will come with phone number for me.I came to know from Googlesearch that her daughter Pinky Karve is doing this over the phone.Lookslike Karve yogiji has taught her this secret.I also read that hisgranddaughter is also trained in this.> I just have one question from your response.> I am given to understand that> //he narrated all the positions of my planets too in my chart.//> he has narrated you the planetary positions in your chart.In somecharts which are borderline,Moon will be in one nakshatra or nakshatrapada with a particular ayanamsa  ''for a given birth time'' and Âthe nakshatra or pada may change with a different ayanamsha.of coursethese differences occur with other planets also,but more commonly withthe moon.> when you mean positions,do you mean rashi placement alone or intricatedetails like nakshatra and pada placements(in other words ,does he givedegree placement of the planets)> I am aware that with the birth time he gives one can cast a chart andcheck the degree placements of  planets but it will still leaveayanamsa puzzle unsolved,which will not serve the complete purpose for aminority of  people whose planetary positions (in padas orrashis)change with some of the popularly followed ayanamsas.> I believe you should have also had this thoguht at some point of timeafter meeting him.> please throw more light on this based on your personalexperience.Thanks for sharing.>> Thanks and best wishes> vishnu>> --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, February 25, 2010, 4:47 PM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Â>>>>>>>>>> Dear Vishni ji,> 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify oras i read> somewhere he can find and tell them to us?> He just asked me the birth date and year. And not the time. And withinminutes he narrated all the positions of my planets too in my chart.>> 2.How much did he charge?> He does not accept money. Those who have some dignity would normallyyet take some offerings which they could deposit in the temple built inthe inner rooms of his inhabitance.>> 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded byparents.> Better than close. In fact could be said as perfect.>> 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached?> Even for residents of Maharashtra, you will get him only if you arelucky. Even after I took appointment on phone after speakingpersonally with him, I had to wait from morning 10.30 till evening 7.30for my turn to come. That too I was not sure for there were hundredpeople seated around him, and only those were eligible (of His Divineglance) would be asked of their problem. (Do not ask for his number. MyCell phone is lost, and that was 6 years back )>> 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your wordthat he has> spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of intuition> consistently while reading horoscopes.> I had gone there if I remember only once for my chart. He gave me theperfect birth time , and I asked him about my Father who was in ICU for3 months whether he would survive or not, and he said that do not worryfor at least next 3-5 years. He was the only astrologer to have promisedthat nothing would happen to my father.>> I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience.> One has to reach and Know God, to describe about Him. Same with suchvenerated Yogis.>> thanks and regards,> Bhaskar.>> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu"<vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear bhaskarji> >> > Thanks for sharing your experience.> >> > Just curious to know some additional information regarding yourexperience.> >> > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectifyor as i read somewhere he can find and tell them to us?> >> > 2.How much did he charge?> >> > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded byparents.> >> >> > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached?> >> > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your wordthat he has spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount ofintuition consistently while reading horoscopes.> >> > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience.> >> >> > Thanks and best wishes> >> > vishnu> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Dev ji,> > >> > > Just informing you that the Yogiji Shri Manoj ji is talking of,> > > undoubetdly has spiritual powers, but employs astronomy, maths and> > > astrology too. My Birth rectification he did by asking hisSecretary to> > > calculate certain formulaes which he himself did mentally, butwhich his> > > secretary did on a piece of a paper, with me sitting besides. Andall> > > this he does within minutes and in front of all.... This feat canbe> > > replicated by one who is a seeker and who gets access to learnfrom a> > > Guru like him....> > >> > > best wishes,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"<axeplex@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Bhaskarji,> > > >> > > > Moreover, in both cases we were discussing past events and not> > > predicting future. I did not know that this group is more about> > > predicting events, all I knew it is more for discussion. True> > > predictions do not need the support of astrology always and caneven> > > come through powers like Manojji has referred that of a Yogi.> > > >> > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I agree,> > > > >> > > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineeringfor> > > the> > > > > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict> > > > > successfully what any native could be doing at any point oftime. So> > > > > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions..... I> > > > > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a> > > substitute id> > > > > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in> > > discussing> > > > > with both unknown identities.> > > > >> > > > > If any person argues that "This prediction should not havecome " ,> > > then> > > > > ..> > > > >> > > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to whatprediction must> > > be> > > > > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same.> > > > >> > > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the predictiongiven> > > and> > > > > argued against, is wrong.> > > > >> > > > > Simply saying that this "is not possible" makes no sense.> > > > >> > > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, othersviews,> > > > > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for theperson> > > making> > > > > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument isput> > > forth> > > > > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they havenot> > > learn> > > > > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow.> > > > >> > > > > best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, ManojKumar> > > > > <mouji99@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Soniadid a> > > good> > > > > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends onyou> > > and> > > > > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your> > > analysis,> > > > > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a betterexplanation.> > > > > >> > > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the> > > > > validity/authentici ty of data provided in the Books of ShriK.N.> > > Rao. No> > > > > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and weare> > > indeed> > > > > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books.> > > > > >> > > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at alower> > > level> > > > > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see thatand> > > then> > > > > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us couldeven> > > get> > > > > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freelyenhances> > > one's> > > > > own abilities.> > > > > >> > > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up.> > > > > >> > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!> > > > > >> > > > > > Â> > > > > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not whyexamples> > > are> > > > > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the dataprovided.> > > And> > > > > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presentedSonaiji's> > > > > analysis again and please let me know where does it match withthe> > > > > results you have given, apart from just a single indication ofGovt> > > > > related job in case 1.> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelamgupta> > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode oftransmission of> > > > > knowledge in> > > > > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse andcryptic> > > and> > > > > give> > > > > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not> > > available> > > > > and mostly> > > > > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered.How much> > > > > hand> > > > > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and howmuch of> > > it> > > > > could've> > > > > > > been preserved since ages?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory andapplication> > > were> > > > > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practicalexamples and> > > > > imagine the> > > > > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on forREAL> > > > > operations!!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose whatyou> > > feel> > > > > is> > > > > > > right. :-)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Best wishes> > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in anyof> > > the> > > > > classics. I> > > > > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand thetheory> > > > > part. And I> > > > > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the onewho is> > > > > better if you> > > > > > > > can provide> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love readingher> > > > > analysis> > > > > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 professionas> > > Govt> > > > > related job> > > > > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts onnative's> > > > > education level.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher postand as> > > you> > > > > have> > > > > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History.> > > > > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com<ancient_ indian_> > > > > astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples//> > > > > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provideexamples> > > that> > > > > justifies> > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not beguaranteed./ /> > > > > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certainpoints> > > by> > > > > great> > > > > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be> > > > > questioned. If we> > > > > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be> > > referring> > > > > to> > > > > > > > hundreds> > > > > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KNRao. You> > > can> > > > > form> > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike,and> > > apply> > > > > on> > > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information givenby> > > them.> > > > > You've> > > > > > > > shaken> > > > > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? //> > > > > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by fullillustrative> > > > > analysis in a> > > > > > > > book.> > > > > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we canread> > > it> > > > > correctly> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > for the given background information or events.Instead of> > > > > saying they> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological> > > reasoning> > > > > for> > > > > > > > saying> > > > > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot justunscientifically> > > comment> > > > > and> > > > > > > > reject> > > > > > > > > an information from such a renowned source.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are> > > > > authentic. Even if> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can alwaysquestion!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Neelamji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book?> > > > > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would requestto run> > > > > quiz on real> > > > > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be itwritten> > > by> > > > > any one,> > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and> > > authenticity of> > > > > data can> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > be guaranteed.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where bothpersons> > > have> > > > > same natal> > > > > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it wouldbe> > > really> > > > > > > > interesting> > > > > > > > > > but has to be real examples.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > com<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma andRebirth> > > by> > > > > Sh K N> > > > > > > > Rao.> > > > > > > > > > Sh> > > > > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the> > > > > differences in two> > > > > > > > > > similar> > > > > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The> > > following> > > > > points> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the> > > difference> > > > > in the> > > > > > > > two> > > > > > > > > > > destinies.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change thedivisional> > > charts.> > > > > Here we> > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct ornot.> > > > > Changing> > > > > > > > ayanamsha> > > > > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts andobviously> > > > > results> > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > change,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha> > > sequence> > > > > decising> > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make amajor> > > > > difference in> > > > > > > > > > life's> > > > > > > > > > > patterns.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:*> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in historyand is a> > > > > high ranking> > > > > > > > > > > government official.> > > > > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a youngerbrother> > > and a> > > > > youngest> > > > > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs twodaughters. His> > > > > father dies> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > 1987.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer andwent on> > > to> > > > > become an> > > > > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then twomore> > > > > sisters after> > > > > > > > > > him.> > > > > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and ayounger> > > > > daughter. His> > > > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currntstatus).> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in theexercise.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both thecharts and> > > has> > > > > correctly> > > > > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both.> > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed welldone and> > > with> > > > > an> > > > > > > > excellent> > > > > > > > > > > analysis in support!*> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Dear Manoj JiThanks for the reply.Vishnu--- On Fri, 2/26/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:Manoj Kumar <mouji99Re: Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 5:24 AM Yes. One gets overawed and recognise the strength and mercy of the Supreme which dawns on us through such souls. Since most of your queries have been answered by Bhaskar ji, there nothing to add from my side. regards, Mouji Ram Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ >ancient_indian_ astrologyFri, February 26, 2010 1:06:18 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve Dear Bhaskar ji, Thanks for giving a detailed account of the meeting ,the circumstances preceding it and the conduction of the meeting.I do understand the situation you were in when you went to meet Yogiji.Now 6 yrs have elapsed approximately, hope your father is in good health. I agree with your point that one does not need to go to Yogis to find out planets accurate to the degree.We have astrologers for that. Glad to know that a humble personality is recognised by people and at the same time it will make life difficult for people like me outside maharastra to meet him . Thanks and best wishes VIshnu --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karveancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, February 25, 2010, 7:01 PM Dear Vishnu ji,When I visited this Great man, I had gone there for not asking him aboutmy chart, but with a problem of my Fathers health and seeking an answerto the same. I had no astrological enquiries in my mind about any typeof shades which you mentioned in Your mail. But before I spoke he askedme the date and year of my birth, and after that he begun speaking, andwhen such personages speak you do not disturb them. When he finished myplanetary positions part, he asked me "Yes now tell me..." its then thatI spoke about my fathers issue....When ones Father is in ICU for 3 months and one has to live on the Topfloor of the Hospital (Jaslok at Bombay) not knowing what will happenwhen next, and when one does not get sleep at night too (Because onlyICU relatives are allowed to stay at night on the Top floor and every 10minutes someones Bed No. is called on Phone for God knows variousmatters and one has to get up fearfully whenever the phone rings ) insuch a state of environment theres no question which arises in the mindof the seeker apart then his immediate problem.In any case, with so many hundred around no one talks more thannecessary. Everyone is waiting for his turn and wanting you to leave assoon as you can. All come there with their problems. No one comes forastrological discussions over there.Planetary positions to the degrees accuracy can be checked by any smartastrologer and one does not need to go to a Yogi for this.best wishes,Bhaskar.,ancient_indian_ astrology, Vishnu Mohan<vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar Ji,> Thanks for the prompt replies.> From your writing ,i understand that you were lucky to meet a trueyogi.It is interesting to know that he does not accepts money .What aperson.I will try to find the phone number from some other sources andtry to visit him.Hopefully somebody in this group  who have alsocalled him will come with phone number for me.I came to know from Googlesearch that her daughter Pinky Karve is doing this over the phone.Lookslike Karve yogiji has taught her this secret.I also read that hisgranddaughter is also trained in this.> I just have one question from your response.> I am given to understand that> //he narrated all the positions of my planets too in my chart.//> he has narrated you the planetary positions in your chart.In somecharts which are borderline,Moon will be in one nakshatra or nakshatrapada with a particular ayanamsa  ''for a given birth time'' and Âthe nakshatra or pada may change with a different ayanamsha.of coursethese differences occur with other planets also,but more commonly withthe moon.> when you mean positions,do you mean rashi placement alone or intricatedetails like nakshatra and pada placements(in other words ,does he givedegree placement of the planets)> I am aware that with the birth time he gives one can cast a chart andcheck the degree placements of  planets but it will still leaveayanamsa puzzle unsolved,which will not serve the complete purpose for aminority of  people whose planetary positions (in padas orrashis)change with some of the popularly followed ayanamsas.> I believe you should have also had this thoguht at some point of timeafter meeting him.> please throw more light on this based on your personalexperience.Thanks for sharing.>> Thanks and best wishes> vishnu>> --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, February 25, 2010, 4:47 PM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Â>>>>>>>>>> Dear Vishni ji,> 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify oras i read> somewhere he can find and tell them to us?> He just asked me the birth date and year. And not the time. And withinminutes he narrated all the positions of my planets too in my chart.>> 2.How much did he charge?> He does not accept money. Those who have some dignity would normallyyet take some offerings which they could deposit in the temple built inthe inner rooms of his inhabitance.>> 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded byparents.> Better than close. In fact could be said as perfect.>> 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached?> Even for residents of Maharashtra, you will get him only if you arelucky. Even after I took appointment on phone after speakingpersonally with him, I had to wait from morning 10.30 till evening 7.30for my turn to come. That too I was not sure for there were hundredpeople seated around him, and only those were eligible (of His Divineglance) would be asked of their problem. (Do not ask for his number. MyCell phone is lost, and that was 6 years back )>> 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your wordthat he has> spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of intuition> consistently while reading horoscopes.> I had gone there if I remember only once for my chart. He gave me theperfect birth time , and I asked him about my Father who was in ICU for3 months whether he would survive or not, and he said that do not worryfor at least next 3-5 years. He was the only astrologer to have promisedthat nothing would happen to my father.>> I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience.> One has to reach and Know God, to describe about Him. Same with suchvenerated Yogis.>> thanks and regards,> Bhaskar.>> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu"<vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear bhaskarji> >> > Thanks for sharing your experience.> >> > Just curious to know some additional information regarding yourexperience.> >> > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectifyor as i read somewhere he can find and tell them to us?> >> > 2.How much did he charge?> >> > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded byparents.> >> >> > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached?> >> > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your wordthat he has spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount ofintuition consistently while reading horoscopes.> >> > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience.> >> >> > Thanks and best wishes> >> > vishnu> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Dev ji,> > >> > > Just informing you that the Yogiji Shri Manoj ji is talking of,> > > undoubetdly has spiritual powers, but employs astronomy, maths and> > > astrology too. My Birth rectification he did by asking hisSecretary to> > > calculate certain formulaes which he himself did mentally, butwhich his> > > secretary did on a piece of a paper, with me sitting besides. Andall> > > this he does within minutes and in front of all.... This feat canbe> > > replicated by one who is a seeker and who gets access to learnfrom a> > > Guru like him....> > >> > > best wishes,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"<axeplex@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Bhaskarji,> > > >> > > > Moreover, in both cases we were discussing past events and not> > > predicting future. I did not know that this group is more about> > > predicting events, all I knew it is more for discussion. True> > > predictions do not need the support of astrology always and caneven> > > come through powers like Manojji has referred that of a Yogi.> > > >> > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I agree,> > > > >> > > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineeringfor> > > the> > > > > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict> > > > > successfully what any native could be doing at any point oftime. So> > > > > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and descriptions..... I> > > > > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a> > > substitute id> > > > > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in> > > discussing> > > > > with both unknown identities.> > > > >> > > > > If any person argues that "This prediction should not havecome " ,> > > then> > > > > ..> > > > >> > > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to whatprediction must> > > be> > > > > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same.> > > > >> > > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the predictiongiven> > > and> > > > > argued against, is wrong.> > > > >> > > > > Simply saying that this "is not possible" makes no sense.> > > > >> > > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, othersviews,> > > > > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for theperson> > > making> > > > > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument isput> > > forth> > > > > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they havenot> > > learn> > > > > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow.> > > > >> > > > > best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, ManojKumar> > > > > <mouji99@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Soniadid a> > > good> > > > > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends onyou> > > and> > > > > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your> > > analysis,> > > > > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a betterexplanation.> > > > > >> > > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the> > > > > validity/authentici ty of data provided in the Books of ShriK.N.> > > Rao. No> > > > > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and weare> > > indeed> > > > > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books.> > > > > >> > > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at alower> > > level> > > > > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see thatand> > > then> > > > > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us couldeven> > > get> > > > > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freelyenhances> > > one's> > > > > own abilities.> > > > > >> > > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up.> > > > > >> > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!> > > > > >> > > > > > Â> > > > > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not whyexamples> > > are> > > > > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the dataprovided.> > > And> > > > > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presentedSonaiji's> > > > > analysis again and please let me know where does it match withthe> > > > > results you have given, apart from just a single indication ofGovt> > > > > related job in case 1.> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelamgupta> > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode oftransmission of> > > > > knowledge in> > > > > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse andcryptic> > > and> > > > > give> > > > > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not> > > available> > > > > and mostly> > > > > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered.How much> > > > > hand> > > > > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and howmuch of> > > it> > > > > could've> > > > > > > been preserved since ages?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory andapplication> > > were> > > > > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practicalexamples and> > > > > imagine the> > > > > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on forREAL> > > > > operations!!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose whatyou> > > feel> > > > > is> > > > > > > right. :-)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Best wishes> > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in anyof> > > the> > > > > classics. I> > > > > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand thetheory> > > > > part. And I> > > > > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the onewho is> > > > > better if you> > > > > > > > can provide> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love readingher> > > > > analysis> > > > > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 professionas> > > Govt> > > > > related job> > > > > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts onnative's> > > > > education level.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher postand as> > > you> > > > > have> > > > > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History.> > > > > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com<ancient_ indian_> > > > > astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples//> > > > > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provideexamples> > > that> > > > > justifies> > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not beguaranteed./ /> > > > > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certainpoints> > > by> > > > > great> > > > > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be> > > > > questioned. If we> > > > > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be> > > referring> > > > > to> > > > > > > > hundreds> > > > > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KNRao. You> > > can> > > > > form> > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike,and> > > apply> > > > > on> > > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information givenby> > > them.> > > > > You've> > > > > > > > shaken> > > > > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? //> > > > > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by fullillustrative> > > > > analysis in a> > > > > > > > book.> > > > > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we canread> > > it> > > > > correctly> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > for the given background information or events.Instead of> > > > > saying they> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological> > > reasoning> > > > > for> > > > > > > > saying> > > > > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot justunscientifically> > > comment> > > > > and> > > > > > > > reject> > > > > > > > > an information from such a renowned source.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are> > > > > authentic. Even if> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can alwaysquestion!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Neelamji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book?> > > > > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would requestto run> > > > > quiz on real> > > > > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be itwritten> > > by> > > > > any one,> > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and> > > authenticity of> > > > > data can> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > be guaranteed.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where bothpersons> > > have> > > > > same natal> > > > > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it wouldbe> > > really> > > > > > > > interesting> > > > > > > > > > but has to be real examples.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > com<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma andRebirth> > > by> > > > > Sh K N> > > > > > > > Rao.> > > > > > > > > > Sh> > > > > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the> > > > > differences in two> > > > > > > > > > similar> > > > > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The> > > following> > > > > points> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the> > > difference> > > > > in the> > > > > > > > two> > > > > > > > > > > destinies.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change thedivisional> > > charts.> > > > > Here we> > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct ornot.> > > > > Changing> > > > > > > > ayanamsha> > > > > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts andobviously> > > > > results> > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > change,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha> > > sequence> > > > > decising> > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make amajor> > > > > difference in> > > > > > > > > > life's> > > > > > > > > > > patterns.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:*> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in historyand is a> > > > > high ranking> > > > > > > > > > > government official.> > > > > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a youngerbrother> > > and a> > > > > youngest> > > > > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs twodaughters. His> > > > > father dies> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > 1987.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer andwent on> > > to> > > > > become an> > > > > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then twomore> > > > > sisters after> > > > > > > > > > him.> > > > > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and ayounger> > > > > daughter. His> > > > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currntstatus).> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in theexercise.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both thecharts and> > > has> > > > > correctly> > > > > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both.> > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed welldone and> > > with> > > > > an> > > > > > > > excellent> > > > > > > > > > > analysis in support!*> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Dear Sooraj jiThanks for the detailsI got the phone number from one website today morning.Actually there was 1 landline number and 2 cell numbers.I called a cell number and was told that Yogi karve Ji is out of station.I was told to called her daughter on another cell number.till now she has not picked the phone.Hopefully i will talk to her by today evening.Will share the experince soon.By the way do you suggest any particular time of the day to call her ,if you know.Thanks and best wishesVIshnu--- On Fri, 2/26/10, surajyg <jyothikasooraj wrote: surajyg <jyothikasooraj Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 2:32 AM Dear Vishnuji I had spoken to Yogi karves daughter over phone and she was able to tell my planetary degrees and birth time,she corrected my time by few minutes.They do not demand money but I did donate.The phone number is available in their website www.yogikarveastrol oger.com. As far as other predictions are concerned I dont know as I never asked. He also does visit with her daughter to USA,I have never met them though. Once in the USA astrology conference someone wanted to ask him about a famous ladies birth time,before they mentioned who it was he told the birth chart and other details,it was Princess Diana.This was told to me by a person who was there that time. Regards Sooraj ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > Dear Vishni ji, > > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or > as i read > somewhere he can find and tell them to us? > > He just asked me the birth date and year. And not the time. And within > minutes he narrated all the positions of my planets too in my chart. > > 2.How much did he charge? > > He does not accept money. Those who have some dignity would normally yet > take some offerings which they could deposit in the temple built in the > inner rooms of his inhabitance. > > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by > parents. > > Better than close. In fact could be said as perfect. > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached? > > Even for residents of Maharashtra, you will get him only if you are > lucky. Even after I took appointment on phone after speaking personally > with him, I had to wait from morning 10.30 till evening 7.30 for my turn > to come. That too I was not sure for there were hundred people seated > around him, and only those were eligible (of His Divine glance) would be > asked of their problem. (Do not ask for his number. My Cell phone is > lost, and that was 6 years back ) > > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word that > he has > spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of intuition > consistently while reading horoscopes. > > I had gone there if I remember only once for my chart. He gave me the > perfect birth time , and I asked him about my Father who was in ICU for > 3 months whether he would survive or not, and he said that do not worry > for at least next 3-5 years. He was the only astrologer to have promised > that nothing would happen to my father. > > > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience. > > One has to reach and Know God, to describe about Him. Same with such > venerated Yogis. > > thanks and regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu" > <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote: > > > > Dear bhaskarji > > > > Thanks for sharing your experience. > > > > Just curious to know some additional information regarding your > experience. > > > > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or > as i read somewhere he can find and tell them to us? > > > > 2.How much did he charge? > > > > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by > parents. > > > > > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached? > > > > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word > that he has spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of > intuition consistently while reading horoscopes. > > > > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience. > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > > > vishnu > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > Just informing you that the Yogiji Shri Manoj ji is talking of, > > > undoubetdly has spiritual powers, but employs astronomy, maths and > > > astrology too. My Birth rectification he did by asking his Secretary > to > > > calculate certain formulaes which he himself did mentally, but which > his > > > secretary did on a piece of a paper, with me sitting besides. And > all > > > this he does within minutes and in front of all.... This feat can be > > > replicated by one who is a seeker and who gets access to learn from > a > > > Guru like him.... > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" > <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > Moreover, in both cases we were discussing past events and not > > > predicting future. I did not know that this group is more about > > > predicting events, all I knew it is more for discussion. True > > > predictions do not need the support of astrology always and can even > > > come through powers like Manojji has referred that of a Yogi. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, > > > > > > > > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering > for > > > the > > > > > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict > > > > > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of > time. So > > > > > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and > descriptions. .... I > > > > > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a > > > substitute id > > > > > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in > > > discussing > > > > > with both unknown identities. > > > > > > > > > > If any person argues that "This prediction should not have come > " , > > > then > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction > must > > > be > > > > > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same. > > > > > > > > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction > given > > > and > > > > > argued against, is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Simply saying that this "is not possible" makes no sense. > > > > > > > > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others > views, > > > > > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the > person > > > making > > > > > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is > put > > > forth > > > > > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have > not > > > learn > > > > > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar > > > > > <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia > did a > > > good > > > > > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on > you > > > and > > > > > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your > > > analysis, > > > > > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better > explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the > > > > > validity/authentici ty of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. > > > Rao. No > > > > > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are > > > indeed > > > > > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a > lower > > > level > > > > > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that > and > > > then > > > > > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could > even > > > get > > > > > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely > enhances > > > one's > > > > > own abilities. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why > examples > > > are > > > > > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data > provided. > > > And > > > > > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented > Sonaiji's > > > > > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with > the > > > > > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of > Govt > > > > > related job in case 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam > gupta > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission > of > > > > > knowledge in > > > > > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and > cryptic > > > and > > > > > give > > > > > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not > > > available > > > > > and mostly > > > > > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How > much > > > > > hand > > > > > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how > much of > > > it > > > > > could've > > > > > > > been preserved since ages? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and > application > > > were > > > > > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples > and > > > > > imagine the > > > > > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for > REAL > > > > > operations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what > you > > > feel > > > > > is > > > > > > > right. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any > of > > > the > > > > > classics. I > > > > > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the > theory > > > > > part. And I > > > > > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who > is > > > > > better if you > > > > > > > > can provide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession > as > > > Govt > > > > > related job > > > > > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on > native's > > > > > education level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and > as > > > you > > > > > have > > > > > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > > > > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com<ancient_ indian_ > > > > > astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > > > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples > > > that > > > > > justifies > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ > / > > > > > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain > points > > > by > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be > > > > > questioned. If we > > > > > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be > > > referring > > > > > to > > > > > > > > hundreds > > > > > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. > You > > > can > > > > > form > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, > and > > > apply > > > > > on > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by > > > them. > > > > > You've > > > > > > > > shaken > > > > > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > > > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative > > > > > analysis in a > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can > read > > > it > > > > > correctly > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead > of > > > > > saying they > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological > > > reasoning > > > > > for > > > > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically > > > comment > > > > > and > > > > > > > > reject > > > > > > > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are > > > > > authentic. Even if > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always > question! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to > run > > > > > quiz on real > > > > > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it > written > > > by > > > > > any one, > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and > > > authenticity of > > > > > data can > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons > > > have > > > > > same natal > > > > > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would > be > > > really > > > > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > com<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and > Rebirth > > > by > > > > > Sh K N > > > > > > > > Rao. > > > > > > > > > > Sh > > > > > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the > > > > > differences in two > > > > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The > > > following > > > > > points > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the > > > difference > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional > > > charts. > > > > > Here we > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or > not. > > > > > Changing > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and > obviously > > > > > results > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha > > > sequence > > > > > decising > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a > major > > > > > difference in > > > > > > > > > > life's > > > > > > > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and > is a > > > > > high ranking > > > > > > > > > > > government official. > > > > > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger > brother > > > and a > > > > > youngest > > > > > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. > His > > > > > father dies > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went > on > > > to > > > > > become an > > > > > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two > more > > > > > sisters after > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a > younger > > > > > daughter. His > > > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts > and > > > has > > > > > correctly > > > > > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done > and > > > with > > > > > an > > > > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Dear Vishnuji I am not sure if there is any particular time to call.Also,I had called only for the time of birth and had not asked anything else.I think it may be difficult to get in touch with Yogi Karve.Pinky Karve may pick the phone.I had called her in the evening. Regards Sooraj , Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj wrote: > > Dear Sooraj ji > Thanks for the details > I got the phone number from one website today morning.Actually there was 1 landline number and 2 cell numbers. > I called a cell number and was told that Yogi karve Ji is out of station.I was told to called her daughter on another cell number.till now she has not picked the phone.Hopefully i will talk to her by today evening.Will share the experince soon. > By the way do you suggest any particular time of the day to call her ,if you know. > > Thanks and best wishes > VIshnu > > --- On Fri, 2/26/10, surajyg <jyothikasooraj wrote: > > surajyg <jyothikasooraj > Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve > > Friday, February 26, 2010, 2:32 AM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dear Vishnuji > > I had spoken to Yogi karves daughter over phone and she was able to tell my planetary degrees and birth time,she corrected my time by few minutes.They do not demand money but I did donate.The phone number is available in their website www.yogikarveastrol oger.com. > > As far as other predictions are concerned I dont know as I never asked. > > He also does visit with her daughter to USA,I have never met them though. Once in the USA astrology conference someone wanted to ask him about a famous ladies birth time,before they mentioned who it was he told the birth chart and other details,it was Princess Diana.This was told to me by a person who was there that time. > > Regards > > Sooraj > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Vishni ji, > > > > > > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or > > > as i read > > > somewhere he can find and tell them to us? > > > > > > He just asked me the birth date and year. And not the time. And within > > > minutes he narrated all the positions of my planets too in my chart. > > > > > > 2.How much did he charge? > > > > > > He does not accept money. Those who have some dignity would normally yet > > > take some offerings which they could deposit in the temple built in the > > > inner rooms of his inhabitance. > > > > > > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by > > > parents. > > > > > > Better than close. In fact could be said as perfect. > > > > > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached? > > > > > > Even for residents of Maharashtra, you will get him only if you are > > > lucky. Even after I took appointment on phone after speaking personally > > > with him, I had to wait from morning 10.30 till evening 7.30 for my turn > > > to come. That too I was not sure for there were hundred people seated > > > around him, and only those were eligible (of His Divine glance) would be > > > asked of their problem. (Do not ask for his number. My Cell phone is > > > lost, and that was 6 years back ) > > > > > > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word that > > > he has > > > spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of intuition > > > consistently while reading horoscopes. > > > > > > I had gone there if I remember only once for my chart. He gave me the > > > perfect birth time , and I asked him about my Father who was in ICU for > > > 3 months whether he would survive or not, and he said that do not worry > > > for at least next 3-5 years. He was the only astrologer to have promised > > > that nothing would happen to my father. > > > > > > > > > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience. > > > > > > One has to reach and Know God, to describe about Him. Same with such > > > venerated Yogis. > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Vishnu " > > > <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear bhaskarji > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your experience. > > > > > > > > Just curious to know some additional information regarding your > > > experience. > > > > > > > > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or > > > as i read somewhere he can find and tell them to us? > > > > > > > > 2.How much did he charge? > > > > > > > > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by > > > parents. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached? > > > > > > > > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word > > > that he has spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of > > > intuition consistently while reading horoscopes. > > > > > > > > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > > > > > > > vishnu > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > Just informing you that the Yogiji Shri Manoj ji is talking of, > > > > > undoubetdly has spiritual powers, but employs astronomy, maths and > > > > > astrology too. My Birth rectification he did by asking his Secretary > > > to > > > > > calculate certain formulaes which he himself did mentally, but which > > > his > > > > > secretary did on a piece of a paper, with me sitting besides. And > > > all > > > > > this he does within minutes and in front of all.... This feat can be > > > > > replicated by one who is a seeker and who gets access to learn from > > > a > > > > > Guru like him.... > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, in both cases we were discussing past events and not > > > > > predicting future. I did not know that this group is more about > > > > > predicting events, all I knew it is more for discussion. True > > > > > predictions do not need the support of astrology always and can even > > > > > come through powers like Manojji has referred that of a Yogi. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict > > > > > > > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of > > > time. So > > > > > > > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and > > > descriptions. .... I > > > > > > > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a > > > > > substitute id > > > > > > > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in > > > > > discussing > > > > > > > with both unknown identities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any person argues that " This prediction should not have come > > > " , > > > > > then > > > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction > > > must > > > > > be > > > > > > > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction > > > given > > > > > and > > > > > > > argued against, is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Simply saying that this " is not possible " makes no sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others > > > views, > > > > > > > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the > > > person > > > > > making > > > > > > > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is > > > put > > > > > forth > > > > > > > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have > > > not > > > > > learn > > > > > > > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar > > > > > > > <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia > > > did a > > > > > good > > > > > > > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on > > > you > > > > > and > > > > > > > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your > > > > > analysis, > > > > > > > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better > > > explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the > > > > > > > validity/authentici ty of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. > > > > > Rao. No > > > > > > > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are > > > > > indeed > > > > > > > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a > > > lower > > > > > level > > > > > > > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that > > > and > > > > > then > > > > > > > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could > > > even > > > > > get > > > > > > > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely > > > enhances > > > > > one's > > > > > > > own abilities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why > > > examples > > > > > are > > > > > > > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data > > > provided. > > > > > And > > > > > > > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented > > > Sonaiji's > > > > > > > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with > > > the > > > > > > > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of > > > Govt > > > > > > > related job in case 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam > > > gupta > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission > > > of > > > > > > > knowledge in > > > > > > > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and > > > cryptic > > > > > and > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not > > > > > available > > > > > > > and mostly > > > > > > > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How > > > much > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how > > > much of > > > > > it > > > > > > > could've > > > > > > > > > been preserved since ages? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and > > > application > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples > > > and > > > > > > > imagine the > > > > > > > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for > > > REAL > > > > > > > operations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what > > > you > > > > > feel > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > right. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > classics. I > > > > > > > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the > > > theory > > > > > > > part. And I > > > > > > > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who > > > is > > > > > > > better if you > > > > > > > > > > can provide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession > > > as > > > > > Govt > > > > > > > related job > > > > > > > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on > > > native's > > > > > > > education level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and > > > as > > > > > you > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > > > > > > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > com<ancient_ indian_ > > > > > > > astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > > > > > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples > > > > > that > > > > > > > justifies > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain > > > points > > > > > by > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be > > > > > > > questioned. If we > > > > > > > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be > > > > > referring > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > hundreds > > > > > > > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. > > > You > > > > > can > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, > > > and > > > > > apply > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by > > > > > them. > > > > > > > You've > > > > > > > > > > shaken > > > > > > > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > > > > > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative > > > > > > > analysis in a > > > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can > > > read > > > > > it > > > > > > > correctly > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead > > > of > > > > > > > saying they > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological > > > > > reasoning > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically > > > > > comment > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > reject > > > > > > > > > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are > > > > > > > authentic. Even if > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always > > > question! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > > > > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to > > > run > > > > > > > quiz on real > > > > > > > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it > > > written > > > > > by > > > > > > > any one, > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and > > > > > authenticity of > > > > > > > data can > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons > > > > > have > > > > > > > same natal > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would > > > be > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > > > com<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and > > > Rebirth > > > > > by > > > > > > > Sh K N > > > > > > > > > > Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the > > > > > > > differences in two > > > > > > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The > > > > > following > > > > > > > points > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the > > > > > difference > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional > > > > > charts. > > > > > > > Here we > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or > > > not. > > > > > > > Changing > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and > > > obviously > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha > > > > > sequence > > > > > > > decising > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a > > > major > > > > > > > difference in > > > > > > > > > > > > life's > > > > > > > > > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and > > > is a > > > > > > > high ranking > > > > > > > > > > > > > government official. > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger > > > brother > > > > > and a > > > > > > > youngest > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. > > > His > > > > > > > father dies > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went > > > on > > > > > to > > > > > > > become an > > > > > > > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two > > > more > > > > > > > sisters after > > > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a > > > younger > > > > > > > daughter. His > > > > > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts > > > and > > > > > has > > > > > > > correctly > > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done > > > and > > > > > with > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > > > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 She is again a very moody child like her father. She may or may not answer you...bear with it. regards, Mouji Ram surajyg <jyothikasooraj Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 4:30:18 PM Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve Dear VishnujiI am not sure if there is any particular time to call.Also,I had called only for the time of birth and had not asked anything else.I think it may be difficult to get in touch with Yogi Karve.Pinky Karve may pick the phone.I had called her in the evening.RegardsSoorajancient_indian_ astrology, Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sooraj ji> Thanks for the details> I got the phone number from one website today morning.Actually there was 1 landline number and 2 cell numbers.> I called a cell number and was told that Yogi karve Ji is out of station.I was told to called her daughter on another cell number.till now she has not picked the phone.Hopefully i will talk to her by today evening.Will share the experince soon.> By the way do you suggest any particular time of the day to call her ,if you know.> > Thanks and best wishes> VIshnu> > --- On Fri, 2/26/10, surajyg <jyothikasooraj@ ...> wrote:> > surajyg <jyothikasooraj@ ...>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, February 26, 2010, 2:32 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vishnuji> > I had spoken to Yogi karves daughter over phone and she was able to tell my planetary degrees and birth time,she corrected my time by few minutes.They do not demand money but I did donate.The phone number is available in their website www.yogikarveastrol oger.com.> > As far as other predictions are concerned I dont know as I never asked.> > He also does visit with her daughter to USA,I have never met them though. Once in the USA astrology conference someone wanted to ask him about a famous ladies birth time,before they mentioned who it was he told the birth chart and other details,it was Princess Diana.This was told to me by a person who was there that time.> > Regards> > Sooraj> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Vishni ji,> > > > > > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or> > > as i read> > > somewhere he can find and tell them to us?> > > > > > He just asked me the birth date and year. And not the time. And within> > > minutes he narrated all the positions of my planets too in my chart.> > > > > > 2.How much did he charge?> > > > > > He does not accept money. Those who have some dignity would normally yet> > > take some offerings which they could deposit in the temple built in the> > > inner rooms of his inhabitance.> > > > > > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by> > > parents.> > > > > > Better than close. In fact could be said as perfect.> > > > > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached?> > > > > > Even for residents of Maharashtra, you will get him only if you are> > > lucky. Even after I took appointment on phone after speaking personally> > > with him, I had to wait from morning 10.30 till evening 7.30 for my turn> > > to come. That too I was not sure for there were hundred people seated> > > around him, and only those were eligible (of His Divine glance) would be> > > asked of their problem. (Do not ask for his number. My Cell phone is> > > lost, and that was 6 years back )> > > > > > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word that> > > he has> > > spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of intuition> > > consistently while reading horoscopes.> > > > > > I had gone there if I remember only once for my chart. He gave me the> > > perfect birth time , and I asked him about my Father who was in ICU for> > > 3 months whether he would survive or not, and he said that do not worry> > > for at least next 3-5 years. He was the only astrologer to have promised> > > that nothing would happen to my father.> > > > > > > > > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience.> > > > > > One has to reach and Know God, to describe about Him. Same with such> > > venerated Yogis.> > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu"> > > <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear bhaskarji> > > >> > > > Thanks for sharing your experience.> > > >> > > > Just curious to know some additional information regarding your> > > experience.> > > >> > > > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or> > > as i read somewhere he can find and tell them to us?> > > >> > > > 2.How much did he charge?> > > >> > > > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by> > > parents.> > > >> > > >> > > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached?> > > >> > > > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word> > > that he has spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of> > > intuition consistently while reading horoscopes.> > > >> > > > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience.> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks and best wishes> > > >> > > > vishnu> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > >> > > > > Just informing you that the Yogiji Shri Manoj ji is talking of,> > > > > undoubetdly has spiritual powers, but employs astronomy, maths and> > > > > astrology too. My Birth rectification he did by asking his Secretary> > > to> > > > > calculate certain formulaes which he himself did mentally, but which> > > his> > > > > secretary did on a piece of a paper, with me sitting besides. And> > > all> > > > > this he does within minutes and in front of all.... This feat can be> > > > > replicated by one who is a seeker and who gets access to learn from> > > a> > > > > Guru like him....> > > > >> > > > > best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > <axeplex@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Moreover, in both cases we were discussing past events and not> > > > > predicting future. I did not know that this group is more about> > > > > predicting events, all I knew it is more for discussion. True> > > > > predictions do not need the support of astrology always and can even> > > > > come through powers like Manojji has referred that of a Yogi.> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I agree,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering> > > for> > > > > the> > > > > > > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict> > > > > > > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of> > > time. So> > > > > > > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and> > > descriptions. .... I> > > > > > > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a> > > > > substitute id> > > > > > > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in> > > > > discussing> > > > > > > with both unknown identities.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If any person argues that "This prediction should not have come> > > " ,> > > > > then> > > > > > > ..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction> > > must> > > > > be> > > > > > > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction> > > given> > > > > and> > > > > > > argued against, is wrong.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Simply saying that this "is not possible" makes no sense.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others> > > views,> > > > > > > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the> > > person> > > > > making> > > > > > > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is> > > put> > > > > forth> > > > > > > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have> > > not> > > > > learn> > > > > > > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar> > > > > > > <mouji99@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia> > > did a> > > > > good> > > > > > > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on> > > you> > > > > and> > > > > > > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your> > > > > analysis,> > > > > > > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better> > > explanation.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the> > > > > > > validity/authentici ty of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N.> > > > > Rao. No> > > > > > > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are> > > > > indeed> > > > > > > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a> > > lower> > > > > level> > > > > > > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that> > > and> > > > > then> > > > > > > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could> > > even> > > > > get> > > > > > > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely> > > enhances> > > > > one's> > > > > > > own abilities.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why> > > examples> > > > > are> > > > > > > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data> > > provided.> > > > > And> > > > > > > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented> > > Sonaiji's> > > > > > > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with> > > the> > > > > > > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of> > > Govt> > > > > > > related job in case 1.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam> > > gupta> > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission> > > of> > > > > > > knowledge in> > > > > > > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and> > > cryptic> > > > > and> > > > > > > give> > > > > > > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not> > > > > available> > > > > > > and mostly> > > > > > > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How> > > much> > > > > > > hand> > > > > > > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how> > > much of> > > > > it> > > > > > > could've> > > > > > > > > been preserved since ages?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and> > > application> > > > > were> > > > > > > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples> > > and> > > > > > > imagine the> > > > > > > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for> > > REAL> > > > > > > operations!!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what> > > you> > > > > feel> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > right. :-)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Best wishes> > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > classics. I> > > > > > > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the> > > theory> > > > > > > part. And I> > > > > > > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who> > > is> > > > > > > better if you> > > > > > > > > > can provide> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her> > > > > > > analysis> > > > > > > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession> > > as> > > > > Govt> > > > > > > related job> > > > > > > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on> > > native's> > > > > > > education level.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and> > > as> > > > > you> > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History.> > > > > > > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > com<ancient_ indian_> > > > > > > astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples//> > > > > > > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples> > > > > that> > > > > > > justifies> > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./> > > /> > > > > > > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain> > > points> > > > > by> > > > > > > great> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be> > > > > > > questioned. If we> > > > > > > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be> > > > > referring> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > hundreds> > > > > > > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao.> > > You> > > > > can> > > > > > > form> > > > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike,> > > and> > > > > apply> > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by> > > > > them.> > > > > > > You've> > > > > > > > > > shaken> > > > > > > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? //> > > > > > > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative> > > > > > > analysis in a> > > > > > > > > > book.> > > > > > > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can> > > read> > > > > it> > > > > > > correctly> > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead> > > of> > > > > > > saying they> > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological> > > > > reasoning> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > saying> > > > > > > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically> > > > > comment> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > reject> > > > > > > > > > > an information from such a renowned source.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are> > > > > > > authentic. Even if> > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always> > > question!> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book?> > > > > > > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to> > > run> > > > > > > quiz on real> > > > > > > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it> > > written> > > > > by> > > > > > > any one,> > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and> > > > > authenticity of> > > > > > > data can> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > be guaranteed.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons> > > > > have> > > > > > > same natal> > > > > > > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would> > > be> > > > > really> > > > > > > > > > interesting> > > > > > > > > > > > but has to be real examples.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > > com<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and> > > Rebirth> > > > > by> > > > > > > Sh K N> > > > > > > > > > Rao.> > > > > > > > > > > > Sh> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the> > > > > > > differences in two> > > > > > > > > > > > similar> > > > > > > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The> > > > > following> > > > > > > points> > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the> > > > > difference> > > > > > > in the> > > > > > > > > > two> > > > > > > > > > > > > destinies.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional> > > > > charts.> > > > > > > Here we> > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or> > > not.> > > > > > > Changing> > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha> > > > > > > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and> > > obviously> > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > change,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha> > > > > sequence> > > > > > > decising> > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a> > > major> > > > > > > difference in> > > > > > > > > > > > life's> > > > > > > > > > > > > patterns.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:*> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and> > > is a> > > > > > > high ranking> > > > > > > > > > > > > government official.> > > > > > > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger> > > brother> > > > > and a> > > > > > > youngest> > > > > > > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters.> > > His> > > > > > > father dies> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1987.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went> > > on> > > > > to> > > > > > > become an> > > > > > > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two> > > more> > > > > > > sisters after> > > > > > > > > > > > him.> > > > > > > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a> > > younger> > > > > > > daughter. His> > > > > > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status).> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts> > > and> > > > > has> > > > > > > correctly> > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done> > > and> > > > > with> > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > excellent> > > > > > > > > > > > > analysis in support!*> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Thanks again manoj ji and sooraj jiVishnu--- On Fri, 2/26/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:Manoj Kumar <mouji99Re: Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 1:15 PM She is again a very moody child like her father. She may or may not answer you...bear with it. regards, Mouji Ram surajyg <jyothikasooraj@ .co. in>ancient_indian_ astrologyFri, February 26, 2010 4:30:18 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve Dear VishnujiI am not sure if there is any particular time to call.Also,I had called only for the time of birth and had not asked anything else.I think it may be difficult to get in touch with Yogi Karve.Pinky Karve may pick the phone.I had called her in the evening.RegardsSoorajancient_indian_ astrology, Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sooraj ji> Thanks for the details> I got the phone number from one website today morning.Actually there was 1 landline number and 2 cell numbers.> I called a cell number and was told that Yogi karve Ji is out of station.I was told to called her daughter on another cell number.till now she has not picked the phone.Hopefully i will talk to her by today evening.Will share the experince soon.> By the way do you suggest any particular time of the day to call her ,if you know.> > Thanks and best wishes> VIshnu> > --- On Fri, 2/26/10, surajyg <jyothikasooraj@ ...> wrote:> > surajyg <jyothikasooraj@ ...>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, February 26, 2010, 2:32 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vishnuji> > I had spoken to Yogi karves daughter over phone and she was able to tell my planetary degrees and birth time,she corrected my time by few minutes.They do not demand money but I did donate.The phone number is available in their website www.yogikarveastrol oger.com.> > As far as other predictions are concerned I dont know as I never asked.> > He also does visit with her daughter to USA,I have never met them though. Once in the USA astrology conference someone wanted to ask him about a famous ladies birth time,before they mentioned who it was he told the birth chart and other details,it was Princess Diana.This was told to me by a person who was there that time.> > Regards> > Sooraj> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Vishni ji,> > > > > > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or> > > as i read> > > somewhere he can find and tell them to us?> > > > > > He just asked me the birth date and year. And not the time. And within> > > minutes he narrated all the positions of my planets too in my chart.> > > > > > 2.How much did he charge?> > > > > > He does not accept money. Those who have some dignity would normally yet> > > take some offerings which they could deposit in the temple built in the> > > inner rooms of his inhabitance.> > > > > > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by> > > parents.> > > > > > Better than close. In fact could be said as perfect.> > > > > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached?> > > > > > Even for residents of Maharashtra, you will get him only if you are> > > lucky. Even after I took appointment on phone after speaking personally> > > with him, I had to wait from morning 10.30 till evening 7.30 for my turn> > > to come. That too I was not sure for there were hundred people seated> > > around him, and only those were eligible (of His Divine glance) would be> > > asked of their problem. (Do not ask for his number. My Cell phone is> > > lost, and that was 6 years back )> > > > > > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word that> > > he has> > > spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of intuition> > > consistently while reading horoscopes.> > > > > > I had gone there if I remember only once for my chart. He gave me the> > > perfect birth time , and I asked him about my Father who was in ICU for> > > 3 months whether he would survive or not, and he said that do not worry> > > for at least next 3-5 years. He was the only astrologer to have promised> > > that nothing would happen to my father.> > > > > > > > > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience.> > > > > > One has to reach and Know God, to describe about Him. Same with such> > > venerated Yogis.> > > > > > thanks and regards,> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu"> > > <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear bhaskarji> > > >> > > > Thanks for sharing your experience.> > > >> > > > Just curious to know some additional information regarding your> > > experience.> > > >> > > > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or> > > as i read somewhere he can find and tell them to us?> > > >> > > > 2.How much did he charge?> > > >> > > > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by> > > parents.> > > >> > > >> > > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached?> > > >> > > > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word> > > that he has spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of> > > intuition consistently while reading horoscopes.> > > >> > > > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience.> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks and best wishes> > > >> > > > vishnu> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > >> > > > > Just informing you that the Yogiji Shri Manoj ji is talking of,> > > > > undoubetdly has spiritual powers, but employs astronomy, maths and> > > > > astrology too. My Birth rectification he did by asking his Secretary> > > to> > > > > calculate certain formulaes which he himself did mentally, but which> > > his> > > > > secretary did on a piece of a paper, with me sitting besides. And> > > all> > > > > this he does within minutes and in front of all.... This feat can be> > > > > replicated by one who is a seeker and who gets access to learn from> > > a> > > > > Guru like him....> > > > >> > > > > best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > <axeplex@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Moreover, in both cases we were discussing past events and not> > > > > predicting future. I did not know that this group is more about> > > > > predicting events, all I knew it is more for discussion. True> > > > > predictions do not need the support of astrology always and can even> > > > > come through powers like Manojji has referred that of a Yogi.> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I agree,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering> > > for> > > > > the> > > > > > > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict> > > > > > > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of> > > time. So> > > > > > > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and> > > descriptions. .... I> > > > > > > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a> > > > > substitute id> > > > > > > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in> > > > > discussing> > > > > > > with both unknown identities.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If any person argues that "This prediction should not have come> > > " ,> > > > > then> > > > > > > ..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction> > > must> > > > > be> > > > > > > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction> > > given> > > > > and> > > > > > > argued against, is wrong.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Simply saying that this "is not possible" makes no sense.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others> > > views,> > > > > > > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the> > > person> > > > > making> > > > > > > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is> > > put> > > > > forth> > > > > > > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have> > > not> > > > > learn> > > > > > > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar> > > > > > > <mouji99@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia> > > did a> > > > > good> > > > > > > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on> > > you> > > > > and> > > > > > > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your> > > > > analysis,> > > > > > > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better> > > explanation.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the> > > > > > > validity/authentici ty of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N.> > > > > Rao. No> > > > > > > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are> > > > > indeed> > > > > > > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a> > > lower> > > > > level> > > > > > > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that> > > and> > > > > then> > > > > > > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could> > > even> > > > > get> > > > > > > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely> > > enhances> > > > > one's> > > > > > > own abilities.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why> > > examples> > > > > are> > > > > > > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data> > > provided.> > > > > And> > > > > > > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented> > > Sonaiji's> > > > > > > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with> > > the> > > > > > > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of> > > Govt> > > > > > > related job in case 1.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam> > > gupta> > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission> > > of> > > > > > > knowledge in> > > > > > > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and> > > cryptic> > > > > and> > > > > > > give> > > > > > > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not> > > > > available> > > > > > > and mostly> > > > > > > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How> > > much> > > > > > > hand> > > > > > > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how> > > much of> > > > > it> > > > > > > could've> > > > > > > > > been preserved since ages?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and> > > application> > > > > were> > > > > > > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples> > > and> > > > > > > imagine the> > > > > > > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for> > > REAL> > > > > > > operations!!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what> > > you> > > > > feel> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > right. :-)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Best wishes> > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > classics. I> > > > > > > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the> > > theory> > > > > > > part. And I> > > > > > > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who> > > is> > > > > > > better if you> > > > > > > > > > can provide> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her> > > > > > > analysis> > > > > > > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession> > > as> > > > > Govt> > > > > > > related job> > > > > > > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on> > > native's> > > > > > > education level.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and> > > as> > > > > you> > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History.> > > > > > > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > com<ancient_ indian_> > > > > > > astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples//> > > > > > > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples> > > > > that> > > > > > > justifies> > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./> > > /> > > > > > > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain> > > points> > > > > by> > > > > > > great> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be> > > > > > > questioned. If we> > > > > > > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be> > > > > referring> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > hundreds> > > > > > > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao.> > > You> > > > > can> > > > > > > form> > > > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike,> > > and> > > > > apply> > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by> > > > > them.> > > > > > > You've> > > > > > > > > > shaken> > > > > > > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? //> > > > > > > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative> > > > > > > analysis in a> > > > > > > > > > book.> > > > > > > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can> > > read> > > > > it> > > > > > > correctly> > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead> > > of> > > > > > > saying they> > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological> > > > > reasoning> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > saying> > > > > > > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically> > > > > comment> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > reject> > > > > > > > > > > an information from such a renowned source.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are> > > > > > > authentic. Even if> > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always> > > question!> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book?> > > > > > > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to> > > run> > > > > > > quiz on real> > > > > > > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it> > > written> > > > > by> > > > > > > any one,> > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and> > > > > authenticity of> > > > > > > data can> > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > be guaranteed.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons> > > > > have> > > > > > > same natal> > > > > > > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would> > > be> > > > > really> > > > > > > > > > interesting> > > > > > > > > > > > but has to be real examples.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > > com<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and> > > Rebirth> > > > > by> > > > > > > Sh K N> > > > > > > > > > Rao.> > > > > > > > > > > > Sh> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the> > > > > > > differences in two> > > > > > > > > > > > similar> > > > > > > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The> > > > > following> > > > > > > points> > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the> > > > > difference> > > > > > > in the> > > > > > > > > > two> > > > > > > > > > > > > destinies.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional> > > > > charts.> > > > > > > Here we> > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or> > > not.> > > > > > > Changing> > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha> > > > > > > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and> > > obviously> > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > change,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha> > > > > sequence> > > > > > > decising> > > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a> > > major> > > > > > > difference in> > > > > > > > > > > > life's> > > > > > > > > > > > > patterns.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:*> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and> > > is a> > > > > > > high ranking> > > > > > > > > > > > > government official.> > > > > > > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger> > > brother> > > > > and a> > > > > > > youngest> > > > > > > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters.> > > His> > > > > > > father dies> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1987.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went> > > on> > > > > to> > > > > > > become an> > > > > > > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two> > > more> > > > > > > sisters after> > > > > > > > > > > > him.> > > > > > > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a> > > younger> > > > > > > daughter. His> > > > > > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status).> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts> > > and> > > > > has> > > > > > > correctly> > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done> > > and> > > > > with> > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > excellent> > > > > > > > > > > > > analysis in support!*> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Dear Vishnu Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told me about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has seen some predictions go way off. Regards Sooraj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Kue ke paas jaate raho.... Lota daalte raho... kabhi na kabhi toh paani nikalega hi Bhai. No one can help us here, except our own efforts and intentions..... > > , Vishnu Mohan vishnumohanalj@ wrote: > > > > Dear Sooraj ji > > Thanks for the details > > I got the phone number from one website today morning.Actually there was 1 landline number and 2 cell numbers. > > I called a cell number and was told that Yogi karve Ji is out of station.I was told to called her daughter on another cell number.till now she has not picked the phone.Hopefully i will talk to her by today evening.Will share the experince soon. > > By the way do you suggest any particular time of the day to call her ,if you know. > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > VIshnu > > > > --- On Fri, 2/26/10, surajyg jyothikasooraj@ wrote: > > > > surajyg jyothikasooraj@ > > Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve > > > > Friday, February 26, 2010, 2:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vishnuji > > > > I had spoken to Yogi karves daughter over phone and she was able to tell my planetary degrees and birth time,she corrected my time by few minutes.They do not demand money but I did donate.The phone number is available in their website www.yogikarveastrol oger.com. > > > > As far as other predictions are concerned I dont know as I never asked. > > > > He also does visit with her daughter to USA,I have never met them though. Once in the USA astrology conference someone wanted to ask him about a famous ladies birth time,before they mentioned who it was he told the birth chart and other details,it was Princess Diana.This was told to me by a person who was there that time. > > > > Regards > > > > Sooraj > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vishni ji, > > > > > > > > > > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or > > > > > as i read > > > > > somewhere he can find and tell them to us? > > > > > > > > > > He just asked me the birth date and year. And not the time. And within > > > > > minutes he narrated all the positions of my planets too in my chart. > > > > > > > > > > 2.How much did he charge? > > > > > > > > > > He does not accept money. Those who have some dignity would normally yet > > > > > take some offerings which they could deposit in the temple built in the > > > > > inner rooms of his inhabitance. > > > > > > > > > > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by > > > > > parents. > > > > > > > > > > Better than close. In fact could be said as perfect. > > > > > > > > > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached? > > > > > > > > > > Even for residents of Maharashtra, you will get him only if you are > > > > > lucky. Even after I took appointment on phone after speaking personally > > > > > with him, I had to wait from morning 10.30 till evening 7.30 for my turn > > > > > to come. That too I was not sure for there were hundred people seated > > > > > around him, and only those were eligible (of His Divine glance) would be > > > > > asked of their problem. (Do not ask for his number. My Cell phone is > > > > > lost, and that was 6 years back ) > > > > > > > > > > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word that > > > > > he has > > > > > spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of intuition > > > > > consistently while reading horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > I had gone there if I remember only once for my chart. He gave me the > > > > > perfect birth time , and I asked him about my Father who was in ICU for > > > > > 3 months whether he would survive or not, and he said that do not worry > > > > > for at least next 3-5 years. He was the only astrologer to have promised > > > > > that nothing would happen to my father. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience. > > > > > > > > > > One has to reach and Know God, to describe about Him. Same with such > > > > > venerated Yogis. > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Vishnu " > > > > > <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just curious to know some additional information regarding your > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.Did you supply your birth date and time to him for him to rectify or > > > > > as i read somewhere he can find and tell them to us? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.How much did he charge? > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.how close the data is when compared with the details recorded by > > > > > parents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.For non-residents of Maharastra,how can he be reached? > > > > > > > > > > > > 5.How accurate do you think his predictions are?Going by your word > > > > > that he has spiritual powers,i guess he could be having a fair amount of > > > > > intuition consistently while reading horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised only 2 persons in total have shared their experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > vishnu > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just informing you that the Yogiji Shri Manoj ji is talking of, > > > > > > > undoubetdly has spiritual powers, but employs astronomy, maths and > > > > > > > astrology too. My Birth rectification he did by asking his Secretary > > > > > to > > > > > > > calculate certain formulaes which he himself did mentally, but which > > > > > his > > > > > > > secretary did on a piece of a paper, with me sitting besides. And > > > > > all > > > > > > > this he does within minutes and in front of all.... This feat can be > > > > > > > replicated by one who is a seeker and who gets access to learn from > > > > > a > > > > > > > Guru like him.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, in both cases we were discussing past events and not > > > > > > > predicting future. I did not know that this group is more about > > > > > > > predicting events, all I knew it is more for discussion. True > > > > > > > predictions do not need the support of astrology always and can even > > > > > > > come through powers like Manojji has referred that of a Yogi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In some earlier example Soniaji correctly predict Engineering > > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > native. Not many of us can at all times or frequently predict > > > > > > > > > successfully what any native could be doing at any point of > > > > > time. So > > > > > > > > > hats off to Sonia ji for clear cut analysis and > > > > > descriptions. .... I > > > > > > > > > just hope that she is a real id and a real lady, and not a > > > > > > > substitute id > > > > > > > > > made here by another lady member, and we are not engaged in > > > > > > > discussing > > > > > > > > > with both unknown identities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any person argues that " This prediction should not have come > > > > > " , > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) a counter argument must be put forward as to what prediction > > > > > must > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > given from the available variables, and the Why of the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) a counter argument must also be put up why the prediction > > > > > given > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > argued against, is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Simply saying that this " is not possible " makes no sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the time passing remarks against people, books, others > > > > > views, > > > > > > > > > propounding new theories does not hold good esteem for the > > > > > person > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > it. One would be listened to, only if astrological argument is > > > > > put > > > > > > > forth > > > > > > > > > in a astrological forum. Judges are not required if they have > > > > > not > > > > > > > learn > > > > > > > > > law. This is a simple logic which all must follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar > > > > > > > > > <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, Neelam ji and others are of the opinion that Sonia > > > > > did a > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > job of analysing the complex horoscopes. Now it all depends on > > > > > you > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > your perceptions that whether she did it or not. If in your > > > > > > > analysis, > > > > > > > > > she did not do, then fine, leave it or offer a better > > > > > explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know whether we are in a position to question the > > > > > > > > > validity/authentici ty of data provided in the Books of Shri K.N. > > > > > > > Rao. No > > > > > > > > > other living astrologer can match him in his stature and we are > > > > > > > indeed > > > > > > > > > indebted to him for providing knowledge through his books. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonia said in her analysis that this man would start at a > > > > > lower > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > and rise high in Government. Atleast she was able to see that > > > > > and > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > credit should be given to her. Honestly, how many of us could > > > > > even > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > near to that. Appreciation is a gift, which given freely > > > > > enhances > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > own abilities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well done Sonia and Keep it up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Thu, February 25, 2010 1:47:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, Surely examples help. But question was not why > > > > > examples > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > presented in books, it was the authenticity of the data > > > > > provided. > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > let us leave aside the authenticity part, I have presented > > > > > Sonaiji's > > > > > > > > > analysis again and please let me know where does it match with > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > results you have given, apart from just a single indication of > > > > > Govt > > > > > > > > > related job in case 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam > > > > > gupta > > > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev ji, perhaps you are forgetting the mode of transmission > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > knowledge in > > > > > > > > > > > those days and why ancient scholars had to be terse and > > > > > cryptic > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > barely theories. Such vast publication systems were not > > > > > > > available > > > > > > > > > and mostly > > > > > > > > > > > it was by word of mouth that information was delivered. How > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > written stuff one can leave behind in a lifetime and how > > > > > much of > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > could've > > > > > > > > > > > been preserved since ages? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all learn by examples as is said. If theory and > > > > > application > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > > sufficient then all systems would abolish practical examples > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > imagine the > > > > > > > > > > > state of medicine where one would read books and go on for > > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > > operations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow, your path is yours and you are free to choose what > > > > > you > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > right. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 12:30, axeplex axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, I have not seen a single example quoted in any > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > classics. I > > > > > > > > > > > > also read examples of books but more to understand the > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > part. And I > > > > > > > > > > > > don't go by big names, to me even you could be the one who > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > better if you > > > > > > > > > > > > can provide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why I asked for analysis from you: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due respect to Soniaji's analysis (I love reading her > > > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > > > everytime she puts), she has indicated Case 1 profession > > > > > as > > > > > > > Govt > > > > > > > > > related job > > > > > > > > > > > > starting with low level. She also raised doubts on > > > > > native's > > > > > > > > > education level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we say Govt official, it is generally higher post and > > > > > as > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > written High level Govt official with PG in History. > > > > > > > > > > > > Case II, she has not indicated on profession of native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > > > com<ancient_ indian_ > > > > > > > > > astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised at your response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //I would request to run quiz on real examples// > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are REAL examples. What else is real? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Book, be it written by any one, would provide examples > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > justifies > > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory and authenticity of data can not be guaranteed./ > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > > > If charts are given as examples to elucidate certain > > > > > points > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers of the stature of Sh KN Rao they cannot be > > > > > > > > > questioned. If we > > > > > > > > > > > > > start doubting such luminaries, then we should not be > > > > > > > referring > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > hundreds > > > > > > > > > > > > > of books written by the greats like BV Raman and KN Rao. > > > > > You > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > opinion about their theories and follow what you iike, > > > > > and > > > > > > > apply > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know, but you cannot doubt the information given by > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > You've > > > > > > > > > > > > shaken > > > > > > > > > > > > > the whole learning system of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Where is the analysis of book? // > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every chart need not be accompanied by full illustrative > > > > > > > > > analysis in a > > > > > > > > > > > > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is for us to take the charts and see whether we can > > > > > read > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > correctly > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the given background information or events. Instead > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > saying they > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > not authentic you should have given your astrological > > > > > > > reasoning > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, then we can debate. One cannot just unscientifically > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > reject > > > > > > > > > > > > > an information from such a renowned source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do not agree, please feel free to ignore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I share information and charts from sources I know are > > > > > > > > > authentic. Even if > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > give so-called REAL charts, skeptics can always > > > > > question! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 10:58, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the analysis of book? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though the charts were interesting, I would request to > > > > > run > > > > > > > > > quiz on real > > > > > > > > > > > > > > examples rather than taken from book. Book, be it > > > > > written > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > any one, > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provide examples that justifies its theory and > > > > > > > authenticity of > > > > > > > > > data can > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, if you have real examples where both persons > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > same natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, same Moon Nakshatra, same Dasa flow, it would > > > > > be > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but has to be real examples. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > > > > > > > com<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had taken the two cases from te book Karma and > > > > > Rebirth > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > Sh K N > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rao has taught us how to scientifically check the > > > > > > > > > differences in two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts and then arrive at correct conclusion. The > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > points > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > change in the two charts which will make all the > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > destinies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of lagna which will change the divisional > > > > > > > charts. > > > > > > > > > Here we > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come to know if the ayanamsha used is correct or > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > Changing > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should produce different divisional charts and > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude of moon which will create a unique dasha > > > > > > > sequence > > > > > > > > > decising > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet gains priority at what time of life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaimini karkas can undergo a change which make a > > > > > major > > > > > > > > > difference in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > patterns. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From the information given in the book:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1: The person is a postgraduate in history and > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > high ranking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > government official. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is the eldest of siblings and has a younger > > > > > brother > > > > > > > and a > > > > > > > > > youngest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister. He got married in 1981 and hs two daughters. > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > father dies > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1987. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 2: The person qualified as an engineer and went > > > > > on > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > become an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > industrialist. He has an elder sister and then two > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > sisters after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He married in August 1984 and has a son and a > > > > > younger > > > > > > > > > daughter. His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was alive in 2000 (I do not know the currnt status). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thank everyone for participating in the exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sonia ji is quite on the mark with both the charts > > > > > and > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > correctly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted education and profession for both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations Sonia ji, that was indeed well done > > > > > and > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > analysis in support!* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Dear Sooraj ji, Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as donation for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will proceed.My friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to donate some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like a fee and not a donation. I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her. Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel i cant afford to pay a huge sum. lets see how it goes for me. Thanks and best wishes vishnu , " surajyg " <jyothikasooraj wrote: > > > Dear Vishnu > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told me about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has seen some predictions go way off. > Regards > Sooraj > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Dear Vishnu I am also confused with this messages from Sooraj ji and yours. Hope you can understand Thanks and Regards Girish Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told me about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has seen some predictions go way off. > Regards > Sooraj Dear Sooraj ji, Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as donation for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will proceed.My friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to donate some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like a fee and not a donation. I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her. Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel i cant afford to pay a huge sum. lets see how it goes for me. Thanks and best wishes vishnu. --- On Sat, 2/27/10, Vishnu <vishnumohanalj wrote:Vishnu <vishnumohanalj Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 6:59 AM Dear Sooraj ji, Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as donation for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will proceed.My friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to donate some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like a fee and not a donation. I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her. Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel i cant afford to pay a huge sum. lets see how it goes for me. Thanks and best wishes vishnu ancient_indian_ astrology, "surajyg" <jyothikasooraj@ ...> wrote: > > > Dear Vishnu > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told me about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has seen some predictions go way off. > Regards > Sooraj > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Dear GirishYes sooraj Ji message was about how accurate the predictions are.Bhaskarji had told that when he approached the service was free.Manoj ji indirectly confirmed this as he said he does not differ from the views of Bhaskar ji.My message was about the update i told yesterday i will give after the encounter on phone.Actually I gave my friend's experience now.My experience will follow soon.Thanks and best wishesVIshnu--- On Sat, 2/27/10, Girish menon <horamag wrote:Girish menon <horamagRe: Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 3:17 PM Dear Vishnu I am also confused with this messages from Sooraj ji and yours. Hope you can understand Thanks and Regards Girish Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told me about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has seen some predictions go way off. > Regards > Sooraj Dear Sooraj ji, Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as donation for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will proceed.My friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to donate some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like a fee and not a donation. I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her. Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel i cant afford to pay a huge sum. lets see how it goes for me. Thanks and best wishes vishnu. --- On Sat, 2/27/10, Vishnu <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote:Vishnu <vishnumohanalj@ >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karveancient_indian_ astrologySaturday, February 27, 2010, 6:59 AM Dear Sooraj ji, Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as donation for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will proceed.My friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to donate some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like a fee and not a donation. I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her. Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel i cant afford to pay a huge sum. lets see how it goes for me. Thanks and best wishes vishnu ancient_indian_ astrology, "surajyg" <jyothikasooraj@ ...> wrote: > > > Dear Vishnu > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told me about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has seen some predictions go way off. > Regards > Sooraj > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Vishnu ji, In fact she has asked you a very less amount and am ashamed that she asked you a less amount. Whether you consider it as a fee or a donation, but you are not the person who is going to " Decide " . It is their prerogative. In fact one must not go to Astrologers too without any offerings. Intentions of marrying after the " Suhaag raat " is not the right intention my Dear. Its people like you who spoil the face of India, by expecting too much for free..... One should have a strong spinal chord, a sense of manliness, a sense of culture heritage, a sense of some educational upbringing, before one approaches. To ask for " Free " is a shame for any Indian . But yet we see this happenning all around and everytime. This is the reason I did not give you the phone number before, and dont give it to any Tom Dick and Harry, for I know how people want to grab from others like boneless vegetables and parasites. We have lost our bearings unfortunately. Rs.1500 is not a huge sum. You expected the Yogi to ask you Rs.11- ? Or did you wish to offer them Rs.21- as per your intentions after the predictions was made ? These people understand how they are being taken for a ride by people like you, and am happy that they have started asking for donations. People like you have taken much advantage of Yogi Karveji and his family has suffered a lot due to lack of comforts purchasable by money. Birth rectification is not an ordinary matter. One has to study a lot. Practise. Learn the various formulaes. Spend time. Forego sleep and comforts. Its a long process when one ultimately learns to do so. And then finally carry the rinabandhan of the native for whom one does so... All this for petty money ? And next time do not walk into a salon for a haircut, with only Rs.5- in pocket. If one cannot afford then dont go there, and dont cry afterwards if you cannot afford their fees, and do not bad mouth good people behind their backs..... Any cultured person if approaching an astrologer on phone for predictions must in the first sentence itself make it clear that he wants to pay, and how the payment must be sent, and that he would call back after the payment is made... The moment someone says " I want this " and does not reciprocate what he receives in any cash or kind , that moment " Buddhi, Shree, Lajja, Shanti, Keerti " these 5 Devatas leave the body and walk away.... regards, Bhaskar. , " Vishnu " <vishnumohanalj wrote: > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as donation for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will proceed.My friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to donate some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like a fee and not a donation. > > I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her. > > Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel i cant afford to pay a huge sum. > > lets see how it goes for me. > > > Thanks and best wishes > > vishnu > > > , " surajyg " jyothikasooraj@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vishnu > > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told me about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has seen some predictions go way off. > > Regards > > Sooraj > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Moreover, Bhaskar ji, I have seen, yogi Karve ji to donate all money that he has in his poket at the first sight of a temple or even a picture of God and with a family to look after. A man totally unattached to money and material things and these people ..... dont blame me if I say the real things about such people....even casting aspertions at such anoble soul..... Kaliyuga at its best..... Mouji Ram Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 8:10:42 AM Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve Vishnu ji,In fact she has asked you a very less amount and am ashamed that sheasked you a less amount. Whether you consider it as a fee or a donation,but you are not the person who is going to "Decide". It is theirprerogative. In fact one must not go to Astrologers too without anyofferings.Intentions of marrying after the "Suhaag raat" is not the rightintention my Dear. Its people like you who spoil the face of India, byexpecting too much for free.....One should have a strong spinal chord, a sense of manliness, a sense ofculture heritage, a sense of some educational upbringing, before oneapproaches. To ask for "Free" is a shame for any Indian . But yet we seethis happenning all around and everytime. This is the reason I did notgive you the phone number before, and dont give it to any Tom Dick andHarry, for I know how people want to grab from others like bonelessvegetables and parasites. We have lost our bearings unfortunately.Rs.1500 is not a huge sum. You expected the Yogi to ask you Rs.11- ? Ordid you wish to offer them Rs.21- as per your intentions after thepredictions was made ? These people understand how they are being takenfor a ride by people like you, and am happy that they have startedasking for donations. People like you have taken much advantage of YogiKarveji and his family has suffered a lot due to lack of comfortspurchasable by money. Birth rectification is not an ordinary matter. Onehas to study a lot. Practise. Learn the various formulaes. Spend time.Forego sleep and comforts. Its a long process when one ultimately learnsto do so. And then finally carry the rinabandhan of the native for whomone does so... All this for petty money ?And next time do not walk into a salon for a haircut, with only Rs.5- inpocket. If one cannot afford then dont go there, and dont cry afterwardsif you cannot afford their fees, and do not bad mouth good people behindtheir backs.....Any cultured person if approaching an astrologer on phone forpredictions must in the first sentence itself make it clear that hewants to pay, and how the payment must be sent, and that he would callback after the payment is made...The moment someone says "I want this " and does not reciprocate what hereceives in any cash or kind , that moment "Buddhi, Shree, Lajja,Shanti, Keerti" these 5 Devatas leave the body and walk away....regards,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu"<vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sooraj ji,>> Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.Myfriend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth timeis doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as donationfor birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will proceed.Myfriend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to donatesome amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like a fee andnot a donation.>> I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her.>> Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel icant afford to pay a huge sum.>> lets see how it goes for me.>>> Thanks and best wishes>> vishnu>>> ancient_indian_ astrology, "surajyg"jyothikasooraj@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Vishnu> > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told meabout Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has seensome predictions go way off.> > Regards> > Sooraj> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Daer Vishnuji and Girishji I had called Pinky Karve around year ago. At that time she did not tell me she charged a particular amount.I think it has probably changed now. Hope this has cleared the confusion. Regards Sooraj , Girish menon <horamag wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vishnu > > I am also confused with this messages from Sooraj ji and > yours. > > Hope you can understand > > Thanks and Regards > > Girish > > Â > > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who > told me about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has seen > some predictions go way off. > > > Regards > > > Sooraj > > Â > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > > > Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My friend was > able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time is doubtful.She > told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as donation for birth time > rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will proceed.My friend said he cannot > afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to donate some amount of money after > the prediction and this seemed like a fee and not a donation. > > > > I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her. > > > > Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel i cant > afford to pay a huge sum. > > > > lets see how it goes for me. > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > > > vishnu. > > > > --- On Sat, 2/27/10, Vishnu <vishnumohanalj wrote: > > Vishnu <vishnumohanalj > Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve > > Saturday, February 27, 2010, 6:59 AM > Â > > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > > > Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as donation for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will proceed.My friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to donate some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like a fee and not a donation. > > > > I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her. > > > > Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel i cant afford to pay a huge sum. > > > > lets see how it goes for me. > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > > > vishnu > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " surajyg " <jyothikasooraj@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Vishnu > > > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told me about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has seen some predictions go way off. > > > Regards > > > Sooraj > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Dear friends, Kavi, Ravi , and Yogi... The Kavi has a limit to the vocaubalry he knows. The Sun has a limit to where it can shine, and cannot enter closed dark rooms. The Yogi too has his limitations. Expecting a Yogi to be 100% right is a fallacy which only we humans can be subjected to. That man is answering queries of hundreds of people every day. He has to use and excersise his mind and spiritual powers to a breaking limit. If he makes some mistakes in the process, then it is we whose naseeb is bad, and cannot blame the Yogi for that. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " surajyg " <jyothikasooraj wrote: > > > Daer Vishnuji and Girishji > I had called Pinky Karve around year ago. > At that time she did not tell me she charged a particular amount.I think it has probably changed now. > Hope this has cleared the confusion. > Regards > Sooraj > > > > > , Girish menon horamag@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vishnu > > > > I am also confused with this messages from Sooraj ji and > > yours. > > > > Hope you can understand > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Girish > > > > Â > > > > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who > > told me about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has seen > > some predictions go way off. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Sooraj > > > > Â > > > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > > > > > > > Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My friend was > > able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time is doubtful.She > > told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as donation for birth time > > rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will proceed.My friend said he cannot > > afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to donate some amount of money after > > the prediction and this seemed like a fee and not a donation. > > > > > > > > I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her. > > > > > > > > Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel i cant > > afford to pay a huge sum. > > > > > > > > lets see how it goes for me. > > > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > > > > > > > vishnu. > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/27/10, Vishnu vishnumohanalj@ wrote: > > > > Vishnu vishnumohanalj@ > > Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve > > > > Saturday, February 27, 2010, 6:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > > > > > > > Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as donation for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will proceed.My friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to donate some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like a fee and not a donation. > > > > > > > > I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her. > > > > > > > > Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel i cant afford to pay a huge sum. > > > > > > > > lets see how it goes for me. > > > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > > > > > > > vishnu > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " surajyg " <jyothikasooraj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vishnu > > > > > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told me about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has seen some predictions go way off. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Sooraj > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Dear Vishnuji One person in the past was selling tickets for consultation with Yogi Karve and Karveji had no clue about it.So they have been taken advantage of in a horrible way.Also Karveji and his family had to face a lot of poverty.I feel Pinky Karve is just living the way one should in this materialistic world otherwise she too will be taken advantage of. Regards Sooraj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Dear BhaskarjiYou had a good experience,you shared it here.I brought forward a bad experience of my friend ,thats it.I didnt know who Karve yogi or Pinky karve is as i have not met them.So i dont need to badmouth anybody nor thats my intention.I came to know Karve Yogi is a good person only through you.There are various astrologers who charge fee for birth time rectifications cum astrology but they are very clear about the fees and they dont call it donation.For me if they had call it a fee of Rs.1500 or 10000, i wouldnt mind ,but i dont entertain anybody who call fee as donation Just like what the schools,colleges too.By the way i have written nothing about Yogi Karve,who is said to be not attached to moneyBy the way, i know how to rectify Birth time myself and i have learnt without losing much sleep .Just that i want to double check with somebody who is said to be able to do it with supernatural powers so that element of human error is not involved.For me fee is different and donation is different.Thanks and best wishesvishnu--- On Sat, 2/27/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 4:10 PM Vishnu ji, In fact she has asked you a very less amount and am ashamed that she asked you a less amount. Whether you consider it as a fee or a donation, but you are not the person who is going to "Decide". It is their prerogative. In fact one must not go to Astrologers too without any offerings. Intentions of marrying after the "Suhaag raat" is not the right intention my Dear. Its people like you who spoil the face of India, by expecting too much for free..... One should have a strong spinal chord, a sense of manliness, a sense of culture heritage, a sense of some educational upbringing, before one approaches. To ask for "Free" is a shame for any Indian . But yet we see this happenning all around and everytime. This is the reason I did not give you the phone number before, and dont give it to any Tom Dick and Harry, for I know how people want to grab from others like boneless vegetables and parasites. We have lost our bearings unfortunately. Rs.1500 is not a huge sum. You expected the Yogi to ask you Rs.11- ? Or did you wish to offer them Rs.21- as per your intentions after the predictions was made ? These people understand how they are being taken for a ride by people like you, and am happy that they have started asking for donations. People like you have taken much advantage of Yogi Karveji and his family has suffered a lot due to lack of comforts purchasable by money. Birth rectification is not an ordinary matter. One has to study a lot. Practise. Learn the various formulaes. Spend time. Forego sleep and comforts. Its a long process when one ultimately learns to do so. And then finally carry the rinabandhan of the native for whom one does so... All this for petty money ? And next time do not walk into a salon for a haircut, with only Rs.5- in pocket. If one cannot afford then dont go there, and dont cry afterwards if you cannot afford their fees, and do not bad mouth good people behind their backs..... Any cultured person if approaching an astrologer on phone for predictions must in the first sentence itself make it clear that he wants to pay, and how the payment must be sent, and that he would call back after the payment is made... The moment someone says "I want this " and does not reciprocate what he receives in any cash or kind , that moment "Buddhi, Shree, Lajja, Shanti, Keerti" these 5 Devatas leave the body and walk away.... regards, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu" <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as donation for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will proceed.My friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to donate some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like a fee and not a donation. > > I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her. > > Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel i cant afford to pay a huge sum. > > lets see how it goes for me. > > > Thanks and best wishes > > vishnu > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "surajyg" jyothikasooraj@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vishnu > > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told me about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has seen some predictions go way off. > > Regards > > Sooraj > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Dear Suraj jiI think the times have changed(1 year) or it is one unique incidentLet me try from my side and see how it goesthanks and best wishesvishnu--- On Sat, 2/27/10, surajyg <jyothikasooraj wrote:surajyg <jyothikasooraj Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 4:19 PM Daer Vishnuji and Girishji I had called Pinky Karve around year ago. At that time she did not tell me she charged a particular amount.I think it has probably changed now. Hope this has cleared the confusion. Regards Sooraj ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish menon <horamag > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vishnu > > I am also confused with this messages from Sooraj ji and > yours. > > Hope you can understand > > Thanks and Regards > > Girish > > Â > > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who > told me about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has seen > some predictions go way off. > > > Regards > > > Sooraj > > Â > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > > > Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My friend was > able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time is doubtful.She > told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as donation for birth time > rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will proceed.My friend said he cannot > afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to donate some amount of money after > the prediction and this seemed like a fee and not a donation. > > > > I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her. > > > > Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel i cant > afford to pay a huge sum. > > > > lets see how it goes for me. > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > > > vishnu. > > > > --- On Sat, 2/27/10, Vishnu <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote: > > Vishnu <vishnumohanalj@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve > ancient_indian_ astrology > Saturday, February 27, 2010, 6:59 AM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > > > Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as donation for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will proceed.My friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to donate some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like a fee and not a donation. > > > > I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her. > > > > Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel i cant afford to pay a huge sum. > > > > lets see how it goes for me. > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > > > vishnu > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "surajyg" <jyothikasooraj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Vishnu > > > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told me about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has seen some predictions go way off. > > > Regards > > > Sooraj > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Dear Bhaskarji//People like you have taken much advantage of YogiKarveji and his family has suffered a lot due to lack of comfortspurchasable by money.////if you cannot afford their fees, and do not bad mouth good people behindtheir backs...//No personal remarks pls.I know enough English to write personal remarks against anybody but i dont want to argue and waste my time and energy as those resources are limited and do not come back.Anyway thanks for sharing your experience at the start.Thanks and best wishesVishnu.--- On Sat, 2/27/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 4:10 PM Vishnu ji, In fact she has asked you a very less amount and am ashamed that she asked you a less amount. Whether you consider it as a fee or a donation, but you are not the person who is going to "Decide". It is their prerogative. In fact one must not go to Astrologers too without any offerings. Intentions of marrying after the "Suhaag raat" is not the right intention my Dear. Its people like you who spoil the face of India, by expecting too much for free..... One should have a strong spinal chord, a sense of manliness, a sense of culture heritage, a sense of some educational upbringing, before one approaches. To ask for "Free" is a shame for any Indian . But yet we see this happenning all around and everytime. This is the reason I did not give you the phone number before, and dont give it to any Tom Dick and Harry, for I know how people want to grab from others like boneless vegetables and parasites. We have lost our bearings unfortunately. Rs.1500 is not a huge sum. You expected the Yogi to ask you Rs.11- ? Or did you wish to offer them Rs.21- as per your intentions after the predictions was made ? These people understand how they are being taken for a ride by people like you, and am happy that they have started asking for donations. People like you have taken much advantage of Yogi Karveji and his family has suffered a lot due to lack of comforts purchasable by money. Birth rectification is not an ordinary matter. One has to study a lot. Practise. Learn the various formulaes. Spend time. Forego sleep and comforts. Its a long process when one ultimately learns to do so. And then finally carry the rinabandhan of the native for whom one does so... All this for petty money ? And next time do not walk into a salon for a haircut, with only Rs.5- in pocket. If one cannot afford then dont go there, and dont cry afterwards if you cannot afford their fees, and do not bad mouth good people behind their backs..... Any cultured person if approaching an astrologer on phone for predictions must in the first sentence itself make it clear that he wants to pay, and how the payment must be sent, and that he would call back after the payment is made... The moment someone says "I want this " and does not reciprocate what he receives in any cash or kind , that moment "Buddhi, Shree, Lajja, Shanti, Keerti" these 5 Devatas leave the body and walk away.... regards, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu" <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as donation for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will proceed.My friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to donate some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like a fee and not a donation. > > I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her. > > Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel i cant afford to pay a huge sum. > > lets see how it goes for me. > > > Thanks and best wishes > > vishnu > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "surajyg" jyothikasooraj@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vishnu > > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told me about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has seen some predictions go way off. > > Regards > > Sooraj > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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