Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Dear friends, Here is my take on the article. No Discussions please and those who do not want to read, may stop here instead of coming back with personal remarks or else (I don't want to land in controversies). Any such mail would not be responded by me and I would simply ignore. Also they need to remember it neither helps them nor it affects me. I enjoyed reading this article. Nicely created and wonderfully written. He provided all sort of references, be it positives or negatives from classics and other references. I assumed all of his references would be right. He used word " Hinsak " with reference to Moon in 3rd; I stopped here but assumed that since he has read the reference thoroughly, his understanding of this word would be more correct. So there was some Gold here to learn. I further liked when he wrote down all the negatives associated with Ve being in 8th that we were also discussing and pointing to. From here onwards, I found issues at some places. I did not read Dwi Saptatati-Sama Dasa deeply since if one generic Nakshatra Dasa (VD) is already chosen, it is anyway sufficient. I have not learnt like this, so those who disagree have full right. Though some Dasas can be exclusively used for certain specific areas of life, here two generic Nakshatra Dasas were used. I could not verify first child as daughter and second as son from D-7 of 21st April data. Also, I found some complications visible related to birth. On Rasi Dasa, though I am used to Narayana Rasi Dasa, am not used to Chara Dasa, so I skipped this part. Further, he explained on three awards periods and linked Antar Dasas one with natal chart, second with reference to D-9 and then D-10. Why approach has to be different for each award? Further, he very well raised suspicion on generating wealth based on natal and explained it with Prasara quote and D-charts but why did he skip D-2 and justified it with D-9 & D-10? Interestingly, I tried matching the selected main events using 24th April data using VD Nakshatra Dasa and the Rasi Dasa and could match with this data. In fact, here in D-7, I could find first child as daughter and second as Son without complications. Also from degrees point of view, I found degrees of Ma and Su in natal chart very close to deep exaltation, better than 21st April data. Also he achieved this feat of 200 runs in Ra-Ve. Ve gave its good part in Antar Dasa here and is better and nicely placed in D-10 as compared to 21st April data. Not indulging into which date is right as we are not sure in real sense, I would like to predict his retirement based on 24th April data. I also assumed if he is born in Pune instead of Mumbai (since there are some speculations on that as well in the public) but no planetary position was changing up to D-12 (Parents division). It needed enough guts on my part to say something on personalities like Sachin on whose data, we are still debating. Finally, I thought to give it a try and let it fail, if it happens so. May be there would be learning for me in future! Two periods show his retirement. He would retire from international cricket in 2011 itself, if not after world cup in April-May, it would be in the last 4 months of 2011. (off course plus minus of few days that can be because of software calculation errors etc.) Ultimately everyone is on its own. Those who disagree have full rights to do so. Jai God! regds Devinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Long time back, do not know if you were astrologically active then, one follower of a particular clan of Astrology, Visti Larsen, (now I hear he has also become a guru) proclaimed loudly to find out sex of children through Saptamsha. Obviously, it is clear which school they come from, the moment such a thing is said. He was presented a chart. He went wrong predicting the number and sex of children. And since then, he has been inactive, as far as groups are concerned. There are many people claiming so many things and when they are confronted they fail miserably and present themselves on a platter to scientists to be grilled and laughed at. But sadly, the laughter is not just limited to those few people, it involves the entire astrological fraternity, which is sad. Lets scratch our hearts first to know what lies within before we start painting the town red. best wishes to all Mouji Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 A particular clan, suggests remedial measures of Dus Mahavidyas, at the drop of a hat, as if its soe sy to appease these MahaDevis. Such foolish people have been accorded certificates of Gurus that I shudder at the fate of the recipents of such advices. Some Indians for the sake of cheap money from foreigners will accord even " Jhaduwallahs " certificates of " Guru so n so " . We have suffered this onslaught on our Jyotish forums from such Gurus. Recently one Guru known as " Paramhansa Nithyananda Swamy " in South revered highly as a " Great Guru " had a sex video of his with some south indian starlet, aired on the TV in a expose. This is the state of Indian gurus who bloody call themselves as " Paramhansas " and " Sri Sri Sri......Bhagwaan .... " Which is why I do not like anybody calling me a " Guru " and tell them that I am a normal person, and maybe a senior colleague in astrology, and nothing else. We are better off as normal people instead of wanting or desiring such epithets. To be addressed as a " Guru " one must possess those sterling spiritual qualities and a way of Life too in his daily activities, otherwise its just fooling oneself, God and ones disciples. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Long time back, do not know if you were astrologically active then, one follower of a particular clan of Astrology, Visti Larsen, (now I hear he has also become a guru) proclaimed loudly to find out sex of children through Saptamsha. Obviously, it is clear which school they come from, the moment such a thing is said. He was presented a chart. He went wrong predicting the number and sex of children. And since then, he has been inactive, as far as groups are concerned. > > There are many people claiming so many things and when they are confronted they fail miserably and present themselves on a platter to scientists to be grilled and laughed at. But sadly, the laughter is not just limited to those few people, it involves the entire astrological fraternity, which is sad. > > Lets scratch our hearts first to know what lies within before we start painting the town red. > > best wishes to all > > Mouji Ram > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Dear Dev, Dont run off on a tangent. That mail was simply intended to say that tall claims should not be made unless you are able to substantiate it. Very good if you say that you would simply say, " i disagree.", but many of your posts were not even suggesting that. Maturity has no relation with age. Abuses and such behaviour is a two way passage. Its not one way passage. Moreover, when when gets into an argument over a principle, one needs to prove it through data and analysis. In today's scientific world, no one is going to take your word as gospel truth, so be open. Then, one should not simply say NO because one wants to and wants to adhere to. Your casting aspersions of people of the stature of Maharishi Karve and Shri K.N. Rao were most unwarranted. You are still welcome to discuss astrology but astrology alone. If you have unearthed some principles during your study of 10 years, share it with everyone so that it can be taken forward and not forgotten as our Rishis chose not to share information for want of "worthy" students. Sharing helps and improves the quality of astrology as one man alone cannot bring out all gems of this vast ocean. Enjoy your astrology and allow others to enjoy too. Have fun, best wishes, Mouji Ram axeplex <axeplex Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 11:49:19 AM Re: Sachin's Article Manojji,Then there is an ideology difference and that can very well be understood. But this in no way makes you or anybody comment personally. There are many posts that do not match with my ideology but I do not run after them or start abusing them or making fun of them. I would simply say "I disagee". I don't know your age but this basic maturity exists even with those who are in their twenties how to behave in public forum. By the way, I don't know any Visti Larsen and don't know what his ideology is. regdsDevear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Dear Bhaskar ji,The following is a forward on the "Guru". I am not in agreement or disagreement because I did not follow the incident, but yes, being good or bad is in human nature - and that does not change with anyone's stature ---------- Forwarded message ----------Mercenary attacks against Hindu Ashrams and Preachers?We refer to the smear campaign launched by the Amoral Moron Family Media Empire against Swami Nithyananda. .Take the “footage†aired by Sun TV – it was grainy, vague and the“Swami and the actress†pictured in the so-called bedroom scene werefully clad. The “actor-actress†did not to Bare all before the cameramen and crew.“They died with their boots on†was an old Hollywood movie. We canname this Movie “They F…d with their clothes on.â€Within minutes, if not hours of the ‘airing’ organised goonsquads have started attacking the ashram and terrorizing devotees.And the Media has already gone to town condemning the Swami,thoroughly trashing his reputation and filling up columns withlibelous conjecture.One paper reports that over 500 poor were fed at his Ashram daily, and that food was there for any body who asked from dawn to dusk – butthat was a one-liner buried in the midst of alleged anger anddisappointments etc of “devoteesâ€.ND Tiwari got much less coverage. Omalur Padiris got away with murdering 15 + girls without much fanfare. And an obviously faked filmwith fully-clad actors has become hard porn evidence for our Media?We are reminded of Jayalalitha’s war against the Kanchi Matam, where the entire machinery of State was misused to frame the Seer. The StateMachinery has not come into play against Swami Nithyananda yet, butthe Media Machine owned and operated by the family of the present CMis just as near “Government-sponsore d†as you can get. The full-page, technicolour coverage is what makes the whole affairstink of an Alien Hand behind the campaign.Current moves for forging unity among the hundreds of Swamis,Pontiffs, Sannidhanams, Peetams, Ashrams and the Exhibitions and conferences organised by them to showcase the charitable, educationaland social-service activities hitherto carried out silently by themall over India, and more particularly in Tamil Nadu is what seems tohave set the Alien-owned cat among the pigeons. The charitable and social work of Hindu Organisations far exceeds the well-publicised(and well-compensated) work by Christian, Islamic orAtheist-family- owned Organisations.Off Shore Money and Off Shore and the Commercial Religions are certainly behind this move. They will Hit and Run once again.But Sathyameva Jayathey – Truth will triumph.--K.Vijayan---------- End Forwarded message ---------- ShankarBhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 11:55:03 AM Re: Sachin's Article A particular clan, suggests remedial measures of Dus Mahavidyas, at the drop of a hat, as if its soe sy to appease these MahaDevis. Such foolish people have been accorded certificates of Gurus that I shudder at the fate of the recipents of such advices. Some Indians for the sake of cheap money from foreigners will accord even "Jhaduwallahs " certificates of "Guru so n so". We have suffered this onslaught on our Jyotish forums from such Gurus. Recently one Guru known as "Paramhansa Nithyananda Swamy" in South revered highly as a "Great Guru" had a sex video of his with some south indian starlet, aired on the TV in a expose. This is the state of Indian gurus who bloody call themselves as "Paramhansas" and " Sri Sri Sri......Bhagwaan ...." Which is why I do not like anybody calling me a "Guru" and tell them that I am a normal person, and maybe a senior colleague in astrology, and nothing else. We are better off as normal people instead of wanting or desiring such epithets. To be addressed as a "Guru" one must possess those sterling spiritual qualities and a way of Life too in his daily activities, otherwise its just fooling oneself, God and ones disciples. best wishes, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: > > Long time back, do not know if you were astrologically active then, one follower of a particular clan of Astrology, Visti Larsen, (now I hear he has also become a guru) proclaimed loudly to find out sex of children through Saptamsha. Obviously, it is clear which school they come from, the moment such a thing is said. He was presented a chart. He went wrong predicting the number and sex of children. And since then, he has been inactive, as far as groups are concerned. > > There are many people claiming so many things and when they are confronted they fail miserably and present themselves on a platter to scientists to be grilled and laughed at. But sadly, the laughter is not just limited to those few people, it involves the entire astrological fraternity, which is sad. > > Lets scratch our hearts first to know what lies within before we start painting the town red. > > best wishes to all > > Mouji Ram > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Dear Shankara ji, Normally smoke does not come without some fire around. We have had cases of Church Priests , we have had cases of a Swaminarayan temple priest too. Just 2 days ago there was one more case of a Baba irunning a sex racket in garb of Bhajans etc. This was shown on TV News Channels. So nothing is impossible in this world. But we do not know the reality, is a true fact. So actually cannot condemn anybody. But this hapenning for sure. You are right about human nature and stature. regards, Bhaskar. , ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > The following is a forward on the " Guru " . I am not in agreement or disagreement because I did not follow the incident, but yes, being good or bad is in human nature - and that does not change with anyone's stature > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > Mercenary attacks against Hindu Ashrams and Preachers? > > We refer to the smear campaign launched by the Amoral Moron Family > Media Empire against Swami Nithyananda. . > > Take the “footage†aired by Sun TV †" it was grainy, vague and the > “Swami and the actress†pictured in the so-called bedroom scene were > fully clad. The “actor-actress†did not to Bare all before the > cameramen and crew. > > “They died with their boots on†was an old Hollywood movie. We can > name this Movie “They F…d with their clothes on.†> > Within minutes, if not hours of the ‘airing’ organised goonsquads have > started attacking the ashram and terrorizing devotees. > > And the Media has already gone to town condemning the Swami, > thoroughly trashing his reputation and filling up columns with > libelous conjecture. > > One paper reports that over 500 poor were fed at his Ashram daily, and > that food was there for any body who asked from dawn to dusk †" but > that was a one-liner buried in the midst of alleged anger and > disappointments etc of “devoteesâ€. > > ND Tiwari got much less coverage. Omalur Padiris got away with > murdering 15 + girls without much fanfare. And an obviously faked film > with fully-clad actors has become hard porn evidence for our Media? > > We are reminded of Jayalalitha’s war against the Kanchi Matam, where > the entire machinery of State was misused to frame the Seer. The State > Machinery has not come into play against Swami Nithyananda yet, but > the Media Machine owned and operated by the family of the present CM > is just as near “Government-sponsore d†as you can get. > > The full-page, technicolour coverage is what makes the whole affair > stink of an Alien Hand behind the campaign. > > Current moves for forging unity among the hundreds of Swamis, > Pontiffs, Sannidhanams, Peetams, Ashrams and the Exhibitions and > conferences organised by them to showcase the charitable, educational > and social-service activities hitherto carried out silently by them > all over India, and more particularly in Tamil Nadu is what seems to > have set the Alien-owned cat among the pigeons. The charitable and > social work of Hindu Organisations far exceeds the well-publicised > (and well-compensated) work by Christian, Islamic or > Atheist-family- owned Organisations. > > Off Shore Money and Off Shore and the Commercial Religions are > certainly behind this move. They will Hit and Run once again. > > But Sathyameva Jayathey †" Truth will triumph. > > -- > K.Vijayan > > ---------- End Forwarded message ---------- > > > > Shankar > > > > > ________________________________ > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > > Thu, March 4, 2010 11:55:03 AM > Re: Sachin's Article > > > > A particular clan, suggests remedial measures of Dus Mahavidyas, at the > drop of a hat, as if its soe sy to appease these MahaDevis. Such foolish > people have been accorded certificates of Gurus that I shudder at the > fate of the recipents of such advices. Some Indians for the sake of > cheap money from foreigners will accord even " Jhaduwallahs " > certificates of " Guru so n so " . We have suffered this onslaught on our > Jyotish forums from such Gurus. > > Recently one Guru known as " Paramhansa Nithyananda Swamy " in South > revered highly as a " Great Guru " had a sex video of his with some south > indian starlet, aired on the TV in a expose. This is the state of Indian > gurus who bloody call themselves as " Paramhansas " and " Sri Sri > Sri......Bhagwaan .... " > > Which is why I do not like anybody calling me a " Guru " and tell them > that I am a normal person, and maybe a senior colleague in astrology, > and nothing else. We are better off as normal people instead of wanting > or desiring such epithets. To be addressed as a " Guru " one must possess > those sterling spiritual qualities and a way of Life too in his daily > activities, otherwise its just fooling oneself, God and ones disciples. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar > mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Long time back, do not know if you were astrologically active then, > one follower of a particular clan of Astrology, Visti Larsen, (now I > hear he has also become a guru) proclaimed loudly to find out sex of > children through Saptamsha. Obviously, it is clear which school they > come from, the moment such a thing is said. He was presented a chart. He > went wrong predicting the number and sex of children. And since then, he > has been inactive, as far as groups are concerned. > > > > There are many people claiming so many things and when they are > confronted they fail miserably and present themselves on a platter to > scientists to be grilled and laughed at. But sadly, the laughter is not > just limited to those few people, it involves the entire astrological > fraternity, which is sad. > > > > Lets scratch our hearts first to know what lies within before we start > painting the town red. > > > > best wishes to all > > > > Mouji Ram > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Dear Friends, As far as astrology (hindu or Indian) is concerned, it is the same. There cannot be any ideological difference there. Yes, the only difference could be in perception and understanding. And that is where logical reasoning and understanding helps. Give us your ideology. We can also benefit from it. And as per my simple understanding, God is only one, known to different people by different names. Shastra says, "ekam satya, vipranaam bahuda vadanti". But "Satya" can only be one. best wishes, Mouji Ram axeplex <axeplex Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 12:59:31 PM Re: Sachin's Article Dear Manoj, // Enjoy your astrology and allow others to enjoy too. //I also mean same thing. I have already written that I would not comment anything on Yogi karveji and KNR ji since I don't have any experience or interaction with them. It is a coincidence that their names was there in Sachin's case. And I just wrote what was visible to me and what my God permitted. When there are ideological differences, no party can satisfy other with any analysis, so I chose better to stay away from it. There are many people I know who follow the ideologies I follow.regdsDev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Namaste Manoj ji Please don’t deride Visti Larsen and his learning/teaching – for what it’s worth I too use Saptamsha (D7) for sex & child birth. Needless to say the Chart has to be fairly accurate re:Birth Time. As the saying goes each to their own!! Best wishes …… Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Manoj Kumar 04 March 2010 05:26 Re: Sachin's Article Long time back, do not know if you were astrologically active then, one follower of a particular clan of Astrology, Visti Larsen, (now I hear he has also become a guru) proclaimed loudly to find out sex of children through Saptamsha. Obviously, it is clear which school they come from, the moment such a thing is said. He was presented a chart. He went wrong predicting the number and sex of children. And since then, he has been inactive, as far as groups are concerned. There are many people claiming so many things and when they are confronted they fail miserably and present themselves on a platter to scientists to be grilled and laughed at. But sadly, the laughter is not just limited to those few people, it involves the entire astrological fraternity, which is sad. Lets scratch our hearts first to know what lies within before we start painting the town red. best wishes to all Mouji Ram Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2721 - Release 03/03/10 19:34:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Mr. Ram Jaswal, No issues. But dont you think an astrologer should be able to correct the saptamsha or any divisional chart? regards, Mouji Ram Ram Jaswal <rkjaswal Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 3:06:33 AMRE: Sachin's Article Namaste Manoj ji Please don’t deride Visti Larsen and his learning/teaching – for what it’s worth I too use Saptamsha (D7) for sex & child birth. Needless to say the Chart has to be fairly accurate re:Birth Time. As the saying goes each to their own!! Best wishes …… Jai Sita Ram Ram ancient_indian_ astrology [ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of Manoj Kumar04 March 2010 05:26ancient_indian_ astrologyRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's Article Long time back, do not know if you were astrologically active then, one follower of a particular clan of Astrology, Visti Larsen, (now I hear he has also become a guru) proclaimed loudly to find out sex of children through Saptamsha. Obviously, it is clear which school they come from, the moment such a thing is said. He was presented a chart. He went wrong predicting the number and sex of children. And since then, he has been inactive, as far as groups are concerned. There are many people claiming so many things and when they are confronted they fail miserably and present themselves on a platter to scientists to be grilled and laughed at. But sadly, the laughter is not just limited to those few people, it involves the entire astrological fraternity, which is sad. Lets scratch our hearts first to know what lies within before we start painting the town red. best wishes to all Mouji Ram Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2721 - Release 03/03/10 19:34:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 No astrologer in the world today can accurately predict the Gender of the unborn child or the born child, through any logical astrological methods, as of date, even if given the most accurate Birth time. Its not the question of deriding Visti Larsen or any astrologer. One does not have problems with individuals on a personal level, only problems with their ideologies . I personally do not have any problem with anybody on these Groups except two of them one is a Pandey, another is a Mishra, and there also have kept quiet because they were born Brahmins, so do not wish to teach them a lesson, but if need be, would do that . regards/Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Manoj ji > > Please don't deride Visti Larsen and his learning/teaching - for what it's > worth I too use Saptamsha (D7) for sex & child birth. Needless to say the > Chart has to be fairly accurate re:Birth Time. > > As the saying goes each to their own!! > > Best wishes .. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Manoj Kumar > 04 March 2010 05:26 > > Re: Sachin's Article > > > Long time back, do not know if you were astrologically active then, one > follower of a particular clan of Astrology, Visti Larsen, (now I hear he has > also become a guru) proclaimed loudly to find out sex of children through > Saptamsha. Obviously, it is clear which school they come from, the moment > such a thing is said. He was presented a chart. He went wrong predicting the > number and sex of children. And since then, he has been inactive, as far as > groups are concerned. > There are many people claiming so many things and when they are confronted > they fail miserably and present themselves on a platter to scientists to be > grilled and laughed at. But sadly, the laughter is not just limited to those > few people, it involves the entire astrological fraternity, which is sad. > > Lets scratch our hearts first to know what lies within before we start > painting the town red. > > best wishes to all > > Mouji Ram > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2721 - Release Date: 03/03/10 > 19:34:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Good . I wanted to also say the same, but did not have the heart to ask him or suggest this.... Love and regards, Bhaskar. , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Mr. Ram Jaswal, > > No issues. But dont you think an astrologer should be able to correct the saptamsha or any divisional chart? > > regards, > > Mouji Ram > > > > > ________________________________ > Ram Jaswal rkjaswal > > Fri, March 5, 2010 3:06:33 AM > RE: Sachin's Article > >  > Namaste Manoj ji >  > Please don’t deride Visti Larsen and his learning/teaching †" for what it’s worth I too use Saptamsha (D7) for sex & child birth. Needless to say the Chart has to be fairly accurate re:Birth Time. >  > As the saying goes each to their own!! >  > Best wishes …… >  > Jai Sita Ram >  > Ram >  > > ________________________________ > > ancient_indian_ astrology [ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of Manoj Kumar > 04 March 2010 05:26 > ancient_indian_ astrology > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's Article >  >  > Long time back, do not know if you were astrologically active then, one follower of a particular clan of Astrology, Visti Larsen, (now I hear he has also become a guru) proclaimed loudly to find out sex of children through Saptamsha. Obviously, it is clear which school they come from, the moment such a thing is said. He was presented a chart. He went wrong predicting the number and sex of children. And since then, he has been inactive, as far as groups are concerned. > There are many people claiming so many things and when they are confronted they fail miserably and present themselves on a platter to scientists to be grilled and laughed at. But sadly, the laughter is not just limited to those few people, it involves the entire astrological fraternity, which is sad. >  > Lets scratch our hearts first to know what lies within before we start painting the town red. >  > best wishes to all >  > Mouji Ram >  > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2721 - Release Date: 03/03/10 19:34:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Namaste Manoj ji Yes of course - though Not necessarily as easy as it sounds (?) .. Best wishes ... Jai Sita Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Namaste Bhaskar ji Re:prediction from an accurate Birth time - never say never as predictions even come true from wrong Birth times ... Inaddition what makes you think your ideology is Any better than others - after all its purely based around ones own interpretation/thoughts that have become ingrained over time .. Live and let live should be the mantra .... Best wishes .. Jai Sita Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Namaste Ram Jaswal ji, I dont have any ideologies, and neither stick to any.. I just stick to certain norms, ethics and understandings. Predictions can come wrong from a righ birth time too. Predictions can come right from a wrong birth time too. Predictions can come without even erecting a Birth Chart. No issues over here. But prediction of gender cannot come correct more than 50% of the times predictions are made, whatever astrological methods one may use, and however accurate the birth time may be. This has been proved by many stalwarts before us, who are still living and who have documented proof of the same, so I am not going to waste time over here. There are more important issues in Life, as to when one will get a job, when one wil get cured, when will one get married, when one will have a child, etc.etc. Astrology is not even meant for such matters, but meant for more spiritual. But this is Kaliyuga so we use astrology for such matters, otherwise astrological deductions are required for implementations on a higher scale. About divisional charts, one needs to be a MBBS Doctor first, thereafter one may specialise in a particular area. But unfortunately doing MBBS in astrology is also not everyones cup of tea. If one cannot predict from a normal Natal Chart, then how will he predict using another chart as an aid ? One without using Navamsa divisions or Kp or any other method, by just using transits on Natal positions in a Khokha Kundli should be able to predict what is going to happen when, even without looking Vimsottari dasha. If one can do this, then he is qualified to study further about Divisional charts. Tell me how many can do this ? best wishes, Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > Re:prediction from an accurate Birth time - never say never as predictions > even come true from wrong Birth times ... > > Inaddition what makes you think your ideology is Any better than others - > after all its purely based around ones own interpretation/thoughts that > have become ingrained over time .. > > Live and let live should be the mantra .... > > Best wishes .. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Dear Ram Jaswal JI I was absent frm all grps very long time .So i dont know what has happened in this period.U r very educated and cultured man Last 2 days i find ur replies are always in negetiv sense ( at least i think so ) .Pls help us to carry on discussions in constructiv manner .I agree with the content of mail but the way it is presented was the problem i hav 1000 times exprnced this .even thru own exprnce and 3rd party accounts of predictions being full filled with incorrect data even last day i hav discussed same with sreenadh ji too .At present i am in Tamil nadu I got a chart which is wrongly erected ( i came to know this laterwhen i got it translated frm Tamil and the Lagan was wrong )and i go by sprishtanga lagna and prashna for prediction later it has prooved correct even when he came to tell me abt this prediction ,i asked other events in his life and all prooved that the Lagna was wrong In many part of Tamilnadu they take and use a diffrnt panchanga ( Vakya )and says this is our tradition and when confrnted with question s those pundits has no answers.even many dont know how to predict than some cosmetic soothing wordings to customers and customer is happy and astrologer is happy .Very pathetic is the traditional astrological scene in TN where once various sidhas Lived and nourished our culture tru various contributions in various traditional fields .Even the new generation dont know such a treasure is waiting to b explored such is vastness of the Tamil astrolical and various treatises .so i look forward frm u more creativ suggestions and discussions once we had in past rgrds sunil nair , "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal wrote:>> Namaste Bhaskar ji> > Re:prediction from an accurate Birth time - never say never as predictions> even come true from wrong Birth times ...> > Inaddition what makes you think your ideology is Any better than others -> after all its purely based around ones own interpretation/thoughts that> have become ingrained over time ..> > Live and let live should be the mantra ....> > Best wishes ..> > Jai Sita Ram> > Ram> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Anyone here can attempt to prove me wrong. I can give the data of 10 people alongwith the date of their Birth of child. This saves you trouble as I am not here to test anyone. That is not my right . Neither do I have right to sit on seat of a Judge and pass judements. So i will provide all information if one requires except the gender of the chid which I can give to the Owner of the Group, and can disclose after one has put his presentations here. If one scores 8 predictions as right, then one can reasonably assume of his having some hold over the Divisional Charts. But it would be expected from the Astrologer to present his analysis alongwith. regards/Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Namaste Ram Jaswal ji, > > I dont have any ideologies, and neither stick to any.. I just stick to > certain norms, ethics and understandings. > > Predictions can come wrong from a righ birth time too. > > Predictions can come right from a wrong birth time too. > > Predictions can come without even erecting a Birth Chart. > > No issues over here. > > But prediction of gender cannot come correct more than 50% of the times > predictions are made, whatever astrological methods one may use, and > however accurate the birth time may be. This has been proved by many > stalwarts before us, who are still living and who have documented proof > of the same, so I am not going to waste time over here. > > There are more important issues in Life, as to when one will get a job, > when one wil get cured, when will one get married, when one will have a > child, etc.etc. Astrology is not even meant for such matters, but meant > for more spiritual. But this is Kaliyuga so we use astrology for such > matters, otherwise astrological deductions are required for > implementations on a higher scale. > > About divisional charts, one needs to be a MBBS Doctor first, thereafter > one may specialise in a particular area. But unfortunately doing MBBS in > astrology is also not everyones cup of tea. If one cannot predict from a > normal Natal Chart, then how will he predict using another chart as an > aid ? > > One without using Navamsa divisions or Kp or any other method, by just > using transits on Natal positions in a Khokha Kundli should be able to > predict what is going to happen when, even without looking Vimsottari > dasha. If one can do this, then he is qualified to study further about > Divisional charts. Tell me how many can do this ? > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " Ram Jaswal " > rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > Re:prediction from an accurate Birth time - never say never as > predictions > > even come true from wrong Birth times ... > > > > Inaddition what makes you think your ideology is Any better than > others - > > after all its purely based around ones own interpretation/thoughts > that > > have become ingrained over time .. > > > > Live and let live should be the mantra .... > > > > Best wishes .. > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Bhai Sahab, What conditions ? I dont understand the meaning of this word.. regards, Bhaskar. , devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar JI, > > Provide me charts (both male and female)with Birth details and Date of > marriage..... Without condition i will not provide Analysis..... > > ------------------ > Regards, > Devisingh > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > Anyone here can attempt to prove me wrong. > > > > I can give the data of 10 people alongwith the date of their Birth of > > child. This saves you trouble as I am not here to test anyone. That is > > not my right . Neither do I have right to sit on seat of a Judge and > > pass judements. So i will provide all information if one requires except > > the gender of the chid which I can give to the Owner of the Group, and > > can disclose after one has put his presentations here. If one scores 8 > > predictions as right, then one can reasonably assume of his having some > > hold over the Divisional Charts. But it would be expected from the > > Astrologer to present his analysis alongwith. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Ram Jaswal ji, > > > > > > I dont have any ideologies, and neither stick to any.. I just stick to > > > certain norms, ethics and understandings. > > > > > > Predictions can come wrong from a righ birth time too. > > > > > > Predictions can come right from a wrong birth time too. > > > > > > Predictions can come without even erecting a Birth Chart. > > > > > > No issues over here. > > > > > > But prediction of gender cannot come correct more than 50% of the > > times > > > predictions are made, whatever astrological methods one may use, and > > > however accurate the birth time may be. This has been proved by many > > > stalwarts before us, who are still living and who have documented > > proof > > > of the same, so I am not going to waste time over here. > > > > > > There are more important issues in Life, as to when one will get a > > job, > > > when one wil get cured, when will one get married, when one will have > > a > > > child, etc.etc. Astrology is not even meant for such matters, but > > meant > > > for more spiritual. But this is Kaliyuga so we use astrology for such > > > matters, otherwise astrological deductions are required for > > > implementations on a higher scale. > > > > > > About divisional charts, one needs to be a MBBS Doctor first, > > thereafter > > > one may specialise in a particular area. But unfortunately doing MBBS > > in > > > astrology is also not everyones cup of tea. If one cannot predict from > > a > > > normal Natal Chart, then how will he predict using another chart as an > > > aid ? > > > > > > One without using Navamsa divisions or Kp or any other method, by just > > > using transits on Natal positions in a Khokha Kundli should be able to > > > predict what is going to happen when, even without looking Vimsottari > > > dasha. If one can do this, then he is qualified to study further about > > > Divisional charts. Tell me how many can do this ? > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, " Ram Jaswal " > > > rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > Re:prediction from an accurate Birth time - never say never as > > > predictions > > > > even come true from wrong Birth times ... > > > > > > > > Inaddition what makes you think your ideology is Any better than > > > others - > > > > after all its purely based around ones own interpretation/thoughts > > > that > > > > have become ingrained over time .. > > > > > > > > Live and let live should be the mantra .... > > > > > > > > Best wishes .. > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 dear Devisingh ji, Forget it. This is an astrology forum. Any predictions coming without analysis and that too from a person who has never displayed a singe anaysis here, makes no meaning. If You check my website you wi find that I am a " Dowser " too. This means that if I come to your house and ask you to give me some normal thread of few inches length, and the rudraksha bead in your neck, if you are wearing one, or in absence of this, any small object lying in your house, I will use the thread and that object to predict everything about, you, your family members, and even those who have not yet been born in your family. But this is not astrology. In absence of above, even if I sit down with my eyes closed for 10 minutes and then beun answerin your queries, i will still be on the mark, if too many questions are not put up by You. But again this is also not astrology. If you wish to predict gender without giving astrological analysis as supporting your predictions, then what it means, we can clearly understand. You need not fear of explaining why you cannot do this. We know why you cant do this. It has been proved time and again that when you are asked to authenticate your claims you back out with goose pimples. regards, Bhaskar. , devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar JI, > > //But it would be expected from the Astrologer to present his analysis > alongwith.// > > I will not do this.....hope this helps > > ------------------ > Regards, > Devisingh > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhai Sahab, > > > > What conditions ? I dont understand the meaning of this word.. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, devisigh > > devisingh.rajput@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar JI, > > > > > > Provide me charts (both male and female)with Birth details and Date of > > > marriage..... Without condition i will not provide Analysis..... > > > > > > ------------------ > > > Regards, > > > Devisingh > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone here can attempt to prove me wrong. > > > > > > > > I can give the data of 10 people alongwith the date of their Birth > > of > > > > child. This saves you trouble as I am not here to test anyone. That > > is > > > > not my right . Neither do I have right to sit on seat of a Judge and > > > > pass judements. So i will provide all information if one requires > > except > > > > the gender of the chid which I can give to the Owner of the Group, > > and > > > > can disclose after one has put his presentations here. If one scores > > 8 > > > > predictions as right, then one can reasonably assume of his having > > some > > > > hold over the Divisional Charts. But it would be expected from the > > > > Astrologer to present his analysis alongwith. > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, " Bhaskar " > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Ram Jaswal ji, > > > > > > > > > > I dont have any ideologies, and neither stick to any.. I just > > stick to > > > > > certain norms, ethics and understandings. > > > > > > > > > > Predictions can come wrong from a righ birth time too. > > > > > > > > > > Predictions can come right from a wrong birth time too. > > > > > > > > > > Predictions can come without even erecting a Birth Chart. > > > > > > > > > > No issues over here. > > > > > > > > > > But prediction of gender cannot come correct more than 50% of the > > > > times > > > > > predictions are made, whatever astrological methods one may use, > > and > > > > > however accurate the birth time may be. This has been proved by > > many > > > > > stalwarts before us, who are still living and who have documented > > > > proof > > > > > of the same, so I am not going to waste time over here. > > > > > > > > > > There are more important issues in Life, as to when one will get a > > > > job, > > > > > when one wil get cured, when will one get married, when one will > > have > > > > a > > > > > child, etc.etc. Astrology is not even meant for such matters, but > > > > meant > > > > > for more spiritual. But this is Kaliyuga so we use astrology for > > such > > > > > matters, otherwise astrological deductions are required for > > > > > implementations on a higher scale. > > > > > > > > > > About divisional charts, one needs to be a MBBS Doctor first, > > > > thereafter > > > > > one may specialise in a particular area. But unfortunately doing > > MBBS > > > > in > > > > > astrology is also not everyones cup of tea. If one cannot predict > > from > > > > a > > > > > normal Natal Chart, then how will he predict using another chart > > as an > > > > > aid ? > > > > > > > > > > One without using Navamsa divisions or Kp or any other method, by > > just > > > > > using transits on Natal positions in a Khokha Kundli should be > > able to > > > > > predict what is going to happen when, even without looking > > Vimsottari > > > > > dasha. If one can do this, then he is qualified to study further > > about > > > > > Divisional charts. Tell me how many can do this ? > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, " Ram Jaswal " > > > > > rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Re:prediction from an accurate Birth time - never say never as > > > > > predictions > > > > > > even come true from wrong Birth times ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Inaddition what makes you think your ideology is Any better than > > > > > others - > > > > > > after all its purely based around ones own > > interpretation/thoughts > > > > > that > > > > > > have become ingrained over time .. > > > > > > > > > > > > Live and let live should be the mantra .... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes .. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Namaste Bhaskar ji I wouldn’t say one needs to be “highly” qualified to be able to use D-Charts – like anything in life one uses whatever is easy and makes sense to use …… Please don’t think one is being “extra” intelligent/bright in predicting Gender based upon Natal & D7 charts? Yes 50% chances of being right/wrong are always there as after all the child can only either be a Male or a Female ….. Regarding predicting using Transits – I assume you already know about Prof Choudhry’s SA teachings/Group though he doesn’t profess in propounding the use of D-Charts with his teachings/method …… Best wishes ……. Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Bhaskar 06 March 2010 05:05 Subject: Re: Sachin's Article Namaste Ram Jaswal ji, I dont have any ideologies, and neither stick to any.. I just stick to certain norms, ethics and understandings. Predictions can come wrong from a righ birth time too. Predictions can come right from a wrong birth time too. Predictions can come without even erecting a Birth Chart. No issues over here. But prediction of gender cannot come correct more than 50% of the times predictions are made, whatever astrological methods one may use, and however accurate the birth time may be. This has been proved by many stalwarts before us, who are still living and who have documented proof of the same, so I am not going to waste time over here. There are more important issues in Life, as to when one will get a job, when one wil get cured, when will one get married, when one will have a child, etc.etc. Astrology is not even meant for such matters, but meant for more spiritual. But this is Kaliyuga so we use astrology for such matters, otherwise astrological deductions are required for implementations on a higher scale. About divisional charts, one needs to be a MBBS Doctor first, thereafter one may specialise in a particular area. But unfortunately doing MBBS in astrology is also not everyones cup of tea. If one cannot predict from a normal Natal Chart, then how will he predict using another chart as an aid ? One without using Navamsa divisions or Kp or any other method, by just using transits on Natal positions in a Khokha Kundli should be able to predict what is going to happen when, even without looking Vimsottari dasha. If one can do this, then he is qualified to study further about Divisional charts. Tell me how many can do this ? best wishes, Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > Re:prediction from an accurate Birth time - never say never as predictions > even come true from wrong Birth times ... > > Inaddition what makes you think your ideology is Any better than others - > after all its purely based around ones own interpretation/thoughts that > have become ingrained over time .. > > Live and let live should be the mantra .... > > Best wishes .. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2726 - Release 03/06/10 07:39:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Namaste Bhaskar ji I have No desire in wanting to prove you Right or Wrong But if you are prepared to provide the Data in the form of: Both Parents DOB, POB and whether Child’s info is 1st Child/2nd Child etc I am happy to show use of Jaimini’s D7 principles re:Gender of child – note No personal credit is being professed here ……. Best wishes ….. Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Bhaskar 06 March 2010 08:07 Subject: Re: Sachin's Article Anyone here can attempt to prove me wrong. I can give the data of 10 people alongwith the date of their Birth of child. This saves you trouble as I am not here to test anyone. That is not my right . Neither do I have right to sit on seat of a Judge and pass judements. So i will provide all information if one requires except the gender of the chid which I can give to the Owner of the Group, and can disclose after one has put his presentations here. If one scores 8 predictions as right, then one can reasonably assume of his having some hold over the Divisional Charts. But it would be expected from the Astrologer to present his analysis alongwith. regards/Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Namaste Ram Jaswal ji, > > I dont have any ideologies, and neither stick to any.. I just stick to > certain norms, ethics and understandings. > > Predictions can come wrong from a righ birth time too. > > Predictions can come right from a wrong birth time too. > > Predictions can come without even erecting a Birth Chart. > > No issues over here. > > But prediction of gender cannot come correct more than 50% of the times > predictions are made, whatever astrological methods one may use, and > however accurate the birth time may be. This has been proved by many > stalwarts before us, who are still living and who have documented proof > of the same, so I am not going to waste time over here. > > There are more important issues in Life, as to when one will get a job, > when one wil get cured, when will one get married, when one will have a > child, etc.etc. Astrology is not even meant for such matters, but meant > for more spiritual. But this is Kaliyuga so we use astrology for such > matters, otherwise astrological deductions are required for > implementations on a higher scale. > > About divisional charts, one needs to be a MBBS Doctor first, thereafter > one may specialise in a particular area. But unfortunately doing MBBS in > astrology is also not everyones cup of tea. If one cannot predict from a > normal Natal Chart, then how will he predict using another chart as an > aid ? > > One without using Navamsa divisions or Kp or any other method, by just > using transits on Natal positions in a Khokha Kundli should be able to > predict what is going to happen when, even without looking Vimsottari > dasha. If one can do this, then he is qualified to study further about > Divisional charts. Tell me how many can do this ? > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " Ram Jaswal " > rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > Re:prediction from an accurate Birth time - never say never as > predictions > > even come true from wrong Birth times ... > > > > Inaddition what makes you think your ideology is Any better than > others - > > after all its purely based around ones own interpretation/thoughts > that > > have become ingrained over time .. > > > > Live and let live should be the mantra .... > > > > Best wishes .. > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2726 - Release 03/06/10 07:39:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Namaste Sunil ji Apologies for having sounded negative to you and others – it wasn’t deliberately written so ….. I was merely attempting to suggest to Bhaskar ji to take others comments in a lighter way as opposed from taking them in a personal manner …. Yes as you mentioned let this Group discuss Ancient Astrology as it’s meant to and enlighten one with more knowledge and wisdom ……. Best wishes as ever ……. Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of astro_tellerkerala 06 March 2010 05:59 Subject: Re: Sachin's Article Dear Ram Jaswal JI I was absent frm all grps very long time .So i dont know what has happened in this period. U r very educated and cultured man Last 2 days i find ur replies are always in negetiv sense ( at least i think so ) .Pls help us to carry on discussions in constructiv manner .I agree with the content of mail but the way it is presented was the problem i hav 1000 times exprnced this .even thru own exprnce and 3rd party accounts of predictions being full filled with incorrect data even last day i hav discussed same with sreenadh ji too . At present i am in Tamil nadu I got a chart which is wrongly erected ( i came to know this laterwhen i got it translated frm Tamil and the Lagan was wrong )and i go by sprishtanga lagna and prashna for prediction later it has prooved correct even when he came to tell me abt this predicti on ,i asked other events in his life and all prooved that the Lagna was wrong In many part of Tamilnadu they take and use a diffrnt panchanga ( Vakya )and says this is our tradition and when confrnted with question s those pundits has no answers. even many dont know how to predict than some cosmetic soothing wordings to customers and customer is happy and astrologer is happy . Very pathetic is the traditional astrological scene in TN where once various sidhas Lived and nourished our culture tru various contributions in various traditional fields .Even the new generation dont know such a treasure is waiting to b explored such is vastness of the Tamil astrolical and various treatises . so i look forward frm u more creativ suggestions and discussions once we had in past rgrds sunil nair , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Bhas kar ji > > Re:prediction from an accurate Birth time - never say never as predictions > even come true from wrong Birth times ... > > Inaddition what makes you think your ideology is Any better than others - > after all its purely based around ones own interpretation/thoughts that > have become ingrained over time .. > > Live and let live should be the mantra .... > > Best wishes .. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2726 - Release 03/06/10 07:39:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Namaste Jaswal ji. By 50% I meant, 50 predictions out of an 100 made, turning right. regards, Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > I wouldn't say one needs to be " highly " qualified to be able to use D-Charts > - like anything in life one uses whatever is easy and makes sense to use .. > > Please don't think one is being " extra " intelligent/bright in predicting > Gender based upon Natal & D7 charts? Yes 50% chances of being right/wrong > are always there as after all the child can only either be a Male or a > Female ... > > Regarding predicting using Transits - I assume you already know about Prof > Choudhry's SA teachings/Group though he doesn't profess in propounding the > use of D-Charts with his teachings/method .. > > Best wishes ... > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar > 06 March 2010 05:05 > > Re: Sachin's Article > > > > Namaste Ram Jaswal ji, > > I dont have any ideologies, and neither stick to any.. I just stick to > certain norms, ethics and understandings. > > Predictions can come wrong from a righ birth time too. > > Predictions can come right from a wrong birth time too. > > Predictions can come without even erecting a Birth Chart. > > No issues over here. > > But prediction of gender cannot come correct more than 50% of the times > predictions are made, whatever astrological methods one may use, and > however accurate the birth time may be. This has been proved by many > stalwarts before us, who are still living and who have documented proof > of the same, so I am not going to waste time over here. > > There are more important issues in Life, as to when one will get a job, > when one wil get cured, when will one get married, when one will have a > child, etc.etc. Astrology is not even meant for such matters, but meant > for more spiritual. But this is Kaliyuga so we use astrology for such > matters, otherwise astrological deductions are required for > implementations on a higher scale. > > About divisional charts, one needs to be a MBBS Doctor first, thereafter > one may specialise in a particular area. But unfortunately doing MBBS in > astrology is also not everyones cup of tea. If one cannot predict from a > normal Natal Chart, then how will he predict using another chart as an > aid ? > > One without using Navamsa divisions or Kp or any other method, by just > using transits on Natal positions in a Khokha Kundli should be able to > predict what is going to happen when, even without looking Vimsottari > dasha. If one can do this, then he is qualified to study further about > Divisional charts. Tell me how many can do this ? > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " > rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > Re:prediction from an accurate Birth time - never say never as > predictions > > even come true from wrong Birth times ... > > > > Inaddition what makes you think your ideology is Any better than > others - > > after all its purely based around ones own interpretation/thoughts > that > > have become ingrained over time .. > > > > Live and let live should be the mantra .... > > > > Best wishes .. > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2726 - Release Date: 03/06/10 > 07:39:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Dear Ram Jaswal Ji, //as after all the child can only either be a Male or a Female …..//What about hermaphrodites?Regards Kulbir Bains--- On Sat, 6/3/10, Ram Jaswal <rkjaswal wrote:Ram Jaswal <rkjaswalRE: Re: Sachin's Article Date: Saturday, 6 March, 2010, 11:55 AM Namaste Bhaskar ji I wouldn’t say one needs to be “highly†qualified to be able to use D-Charts – like anything in life one uses whatever is easy and makes sense to use …… Please don’t think one is being “extra†intelligent/ bright in predicting Gender based upon Natal & D7 charts? Yes 50% chances of being right/wrong are always there as after all the child can only either be a Male or a Female ….. Regarding predicting using Transits – I assume you already know about Prof Choudhry’s SA teachings/Group though he doesn’t profess in propounding the use of D-Charts with his teachings/method …… Best wishes ……. Jai Sita Ram Ram ancient_indian_ astrology [ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of Bhaskar 06 March 2010 05:05 ancient_indian_ astrology Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's Article Namaste Ram Jaswal ji, I dont have any ideologies, and neither stick to any.. I just stick to certain norms, ethics and understandings. Predictions can come wrong from a righ birth time too. Predictions can come right from a wrong birth time too. Predictions can come without even erecting a Birth Chart. No issues over here. But prediction of gender cannot come correct more than 50% of the times predictions are made, whatever astrological methods one may use, and however accurate the birth time may be. This has been proved by many stalwarts before us, who are still living and who have documented proof of the same, so I am not going to waste time over here. There are more important issues in Life, as to when one will get a job, when one wil get cured, when will one get married, when one will have a child, etc.etc. Astrology is not even meant for such matters, but meant for more spiritual. But this is Kaliyuga so we use astrology for such matters, otherwise astrological deductions are required for implementations on a higher scale. About divisional charts, one needs to be a MBBS Doctor first, thereafter one may specialise in a particular area. But unfortunately doing MBBS in astrology is also not everyones cup of tea. If one cannot predict from a normal Natal Chart, then how will he predict using another chart as an aid ? One without using Navamsa divisions or Kp or any other method, by just using transits on Natal positions in a Khokha Kundli should be able to predict what is going to happen when, even without looking Vimsottari dasha. If one can do this, then he is qualified to study further about Divisional charts. Tell me how many can do this ? best wishes, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal@.. .> wrote: > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > Re:prediction from an accurate Birth time - never say never as predictions > even come true from wrong Birth times ... > > Inaddition what makes you think your ideology is Any better than others - > after all its purely based around ones own interpretation/ thoughts that > have become ingrained over time .. > > Live and let live should be the mantra .... > > Best wishes .. > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2726 - Release 03/06/10 07:39:00 Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Dear Jaswal Sahab, Namaste, I am always eager to learn through anyone, junior or senior by age or experience, or by any way. I am also flexible person and always attentive and receptive to any new approaches or scientific form of astrological study . In Your case if you are ready to share the Jamini knowledge , then nothing like it. I would be most glad to provide you the data. please give me two days time. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > I have No desire in wanting to prove you Right or Wrong But if you are > prepared to provide the Data in the form of: > Both Parents DOB, POB and whether Child's info is 1st Child/2nd Child etc > > I am happy to show use of Jaimini's D7 principles re:Gender of child - note > No personal credit is being professed here ... > > Best wishes ... > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar > 06 March 2010 08:07 > > Re: Sachin's Article > > > > Anyone here can attempt to prove me wrong. > > I can give the data of 10 people alongwith the date of their Birth of > child. This saves you trouble as I am not here to test anyone. That is > not my right . Neither do I have right to sit on seat of a Judge and > pass judements. So i will provide all information if one requires except > the gender of the chid which I can give to the Owner of the Group, and > can disclose after one has put his presentations here. If one scores 8 > predictions as right, then one can reasonably assume of his having some > hold over the Divisional Charts. But it would be expected from the > Astrologer to present his analysis alongwith. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Ram Jaswal ji, > > > > I dont have any ideologies, and neither stick to any.. I just stick to > > certain norms, ethics and understandings. > > > > Predictions can come wrong from a righ birth time too. > > > > Predictions can come right from a wrong birth time too. > > > > Predictions can come without even erecting a Birth Chart. > > > > No issues over here. > > > > But prediction of gender cannot come correct more than 50% of the > times > > predictions are made, whatever astrological methods one may use, and > > however accurate the birth time may be. This has been proved by many > > stalwarts before us, who are still living and who have documented > proof > > of the same, so I am not going to waste time over here. > > > > There are more important issues in Life, as to when one will get a > job, > > when one wil get cured, when will one get married, when one will have > a > > child, etc.etc. Astrology is not even meant for such matters, but > meant > > for more spiritual. But this is Kaliyuga so we use astrology for such > > matters, otherwise astrological deductions are required for > > implementations on a higher scale. > > > > About divisional charts, one needs to be a MBBS Doctor first, > thereafter > > one may specialise in a particular area. But unfortunately doing MBBS > in > > astrology is also not everyones cup of tea. If one cannot predict from > a > > normal Natal Chart, then how will he predict using another chart as an > > aid ? > > > > One without using Navamsa divisions or Kp or any other method, by just > > using transits on Natal positions in a Khokha Kundli should be able to > > predict what is going to happen when, even without looking Vimsottari > > dasha. If one can do this, then he is qualified to study further about > > Divisional charts. Tell me how many can do this ? > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " > > rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > Re:prediction from an accurate Birth time - never say never as > > predictions > > > even come true from wrong Birth times ... > > > > > > Inaddition what makes you think your ideology is Any better than > > others - > > > after all its purely based around ones own interpretation/thoughts > > that > > > have become ingrained over time .. > > > > > > Live and let live should be the mantra .... > > > > > > Best wishes .. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2726 - Release Date: 03/06/10 > 07:39:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Namaste Bhaskar ji Always happy to share what “little” knowledge I have learnt – But please note I am No Master in Jaimini or Jyotish for that matter …. As far as Learning goes what’s important is sharing/passing on of knowledge/Vidya whatever their Age eg young child teaching you a foreign language that they inturn have learnt at school etc Hope you won’t mind waiting till next weekend for my reply as generally too Busy during the week ……. Best wishes as ever …… Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Bhaskar 06 March 2010 12:45 Subject: Re: Sachin's Article Dear Jaswal Sahab, Namaste, I am always eager to learn through anyone, junior or senior by age or experience, or by any way. I am also flexible person and always attentive and receptive to any new approaches or scientific form of astrological study . In Your case if you are ready to share the Jamini knowledge , then nothing like it. I would be most glad to provide you the data. please give me two days time. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > I have No desire in wanting to prove you Right or Wrong But if you are > prepared to provide the Data in the form of: > Both Parents DOB, POB and whether Child's info is 1st Child/2nd Child etc > > I am happy to show use of Jaimini's D7 principles re:Gender of child - note > No personal credit is being professed here ... > > Best wishes ... > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar > 06 March 2010 08:07 > > Re: Sachin's Article > > > > Anyone here can attempt to prove me wrong. > > I can give the data of 10 people alongwith the date of their Birth of > child. This saves you trouble as I am not here to test anyone. That is > not my right . Neither do I have right to sit on seat of a Judge and > pass judements. So i will provide all information if one requires except > the gender of the chid which I can give to the Owner of the Group, and > can disclose after one has put his presentations here. If one scores 8 > predictions as right, then one can reasonably assume of his having some > hold over the Divisional Charts. But it would be expected from the > Astrologer to present his analysis alongwith. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Ram Jaswal ji, > > > > I dont have any ideologies, and neither stick to any.. I just stick to > > certain norms, ethics and understandings. > > > > Predictions can come wrong from a righ birth time too. > > > > Predictions can come right from a wrong birth time too. > > > > Predictions can come without even erecting a Birth Chart. > > > > No issues over here. > > > > But prediction of gender cannot come correct more than 50% of the > times > > predictions are made, whatever astrological methods one may use, and > > however accurate the birth time may be. This has been proved by many > > stalwarts before us, who are still living and who have documented > proof > > of the same, so I am not going to waste time over here. > > > > There are more important issues in Life, as to when one will get a > job, > > when one wil get cured, when will one get married, when one will have > a > > child, etc.etc. Astrology is not even meant for such matters, but > meant > > for more spiritual. But this is Kaliyuga so we use astrology for such > > matters, otherwise astrological deductions are required for > > implementations on a higher scale. > > > > About divisional charts, one needs to be a MBBS Doctor first, > thereafter > > one may specialise in a particular area. But unfortunately doing MBBS > in > > astrology is also not everyones cup of tea. If one cannot predict from > a > > normal Natal Chart, then how will he predict using another chart as an > > aid ? > > > > One without using Navamsa divisions or Kp or any other method, by just > > using transits on Natal positions in a Khokha Kundli should be able to > > predict what is going to happen when, even without looking Vimsottari > > dasha. If one can do this, then he is qualified to study further about > > Divisional charts. Tell me how many can do this ? > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> > astrology , " Ram Jaswal " > > rkjaswal@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Bhaskar ji > > > > > > Re:prediction from an accurate Birth time - never say never as > > predictions > > > even come true from wrong Birth times ... > > > > > > Inaddition what makes you think your ideology is Any better than > > others - > > > after all its purely based around ones own interpretation/thoughts > > that > > > have become ingrained over time .. > > > > > > Live and let live should be the mantra .... > > > > > > Best wishes .. > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2726 - Release Date: 03/06/10 > 07:39:00 > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2726 - Release 03/06/10 07:39:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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