Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Sairamji All 4 pillars(4,7,10kendras) are afflicted by sat and mars.No benefic aspects. If jup is not aspected(5th) lagna, she would have been a physically challenged.Please correct me if I am wrong.thanks & regardsSenthil --- On Tue, 2/3/10, sairam nat <sairaman53 wrote:sairam nat <sairaman53Re: Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Date: Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 8:19 PM Thanks for members for responding the birth details pls note 14 th october 1958 4 00 PM TANJAVUR NAVAMSA LAGNA is rishbha so pls go through and find the reasons for so much suffering in life for this pathetic lady here i find again no self efforts or parihara helps at this fag end of her life further what good and best the kethu in 2nd house in kalapurusha 12th house can do to this native in the incoming periods as dasa prime of marital life is lost charm lost in bringing the children now high sugar and bad health in this 52 years imagine how cruel the planets and lagna can be i always feel about others with some slight discomforts in life how planets and god has blessed them this lady always asking me whether my husband come back and join with me whether my childredn come up before i die whether my children get good jobs and when i will be financially comfortable what is the pariharas she weeps (two sons) however i have no positive answers to the above lamentations it is karma execution with high regards with our group members sairaman --- On Tue, 2/3/10, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete in life ... saiancient_indian_ astrologyTuesday, 2 March, 2010, 4:19 PM Dear Sunil Nairji, Let us have an online welcome party to celebrate your presence.Your grace was missed here. Thanks & Regards Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Tue, 2/3/10, CP <nanna_id2006@ > wrote: CP <nanna_id2006@ >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete in life ... saiancient_indian_ astrologyTuesday, 2 March, 2010, 1:52 PM Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji,Glad to see you back here honestly just few days back i was remembering you!.....Hope to read and learn more from your valuable posts...now once again. Probably after the Jup's Cumbustion is over??...... .:-)With regards and best wishesChandu2Chillancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > Dear respected sai raman ji > > Namaskar > > The data provided seems to b doubtful .pls re check and let us discuss it.Pls post full details with time of birth or rising degree of lagana or navamsa lagna> > rgrds sunil nair> > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ > wrote:> >> > Dear members,> >  > > > > recently i came across a native woman  and suffering is so deep in every sense for long years> >  > >  > >  > > 14 9 1958 tanjavur with kumba lagna kethu in2nd house mars  in 4th venus raghu sun in eighth house jupiter mercury moon in 9th and in 10th saturn raghu star swathi> >  > > husband left family merged with another woman > > just after birth of son coming going torturing> > then 2nd child> >  > > now both sons are grown well educated no job no income extreme financial strain> > helped by old parenets sisters and one brother> >  > > all t the more now high sugar leading to kidney trouble > >  > > many explanations can be given to this horoscope for this condition> >  > > however i observed this point may be some  members are already aware of this combination so they  can ignore otherwise cantake note of this > >  > > kethu is ahead of lagna  from 2nd house and mars in 4th house so all planets leading towards kethu and mars is chasing them from fourth house > >  > > mercury dasa now with saturn bukthi > >  > > moon will conduct  the dasa from 10th house mercury star kettai and it is the 8th of zodiac sign and 10th of lagna so 10/8> >  > > so couldnot be happy with husband children health everthing in life miserable > >  > > however god has given good colour and personality neatness to this woman to weep allthrough life > >  > > as i felt very very bad and was searching for and this new idea that all are between dreaded malefic planets kethu and mars> >  > > if lagna also is caught inthe trap of malefics no escape whatever parihara self efforts produces no results> >  > > financial also heavy loss son went aborad for job after spending  RS 50000 loan came back within a month due to poor health> >  > > expected to turn worst in in ayus longivity  also by march to may 2010 during mercury saturn mars > >  > >  > >  > >  in this hors. kethu moving towards lagna all others leading towards kethu entire lagna and other planets hemmed betwen kethuand mars> >  > > Sairaman> >  > >  > > > > --- On Sun, 28/2/10, Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote:> > > > > > Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Sunday, 28 February, 2010, 11:01 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear bhaskarji> > > > > > Everybody born on this earth is different.> > > > > > Thanks and best wishes> > > > > > vishnu> > > > --- On Sun, 2/28/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Sunday, February 28, 2010, 4:54 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Vishnu Mohan ji,> > > > Day before yesterday, I wanted to get a match making done from one> > Pundit in Bikaner. I called him up, and my first sentence to him was "> > JaiShriKrishna, I am Bhaskar Jyotish from Bombay. How much you charge> > for Match making normally". He mentioned his price and after listening> > to it, you know what I replied him ? I told him "I will not pay you what> > you are asking but will pay you 5 times more. Please give me your Bank> > account Numbers and I will call you tomorrow. " He sent me an sms of his> > Bank account Numbers and next day I called him to tell him that the Bank> > at Bombay say that his account number is not right, and I have arranged> > somebody to personally hand him the money in Bikaner itself who should> > come to his place within half an hour. This good man said "Its okay. Let> > your man come whenever he can. In the meanwhile I have already studied> > the charts.....etc. "> > > > That is the way to approach astrologers and the kind of such people.> > > > You do not like to pay Donation as Fees, is your problem. They have not> > forced you to approach them.> > > > regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Vishnu Mohan> > <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > You had a good experience,you shared it here.> > > I brought forward a bad experience of my friend ,thats it.I didnt know> > who Karve yogi or Pinky karve is as i have not met them.So i dont need> > to badmouth anybody nor thats my intention.> > > I came to know Karve Yogi is a good person only through you.> > > There are various astrologers who charge fee for birth time> > rectifications cum astrology but they are very clear about the fees and> > they dont call it donation.> > > For me if they had call it a fee of Rs.1500 or 10000, Â i wouldnt> > mind ,but i dont entertain anybody who call fee as donation Just like> > what the schools,colleges too.> > > By the way i have written nothing about Yogi Karve,who is said to be> > not attached to money> > > By the way, i know how to rectify Birth time myself and i have learnt> > without losing much sleep .Just that i want to double check with> > somebody who is said to be able to do it with supernatural powers so> > that element of human error is not involved.> > > For me fee is different and donation is different.> > >> > > Thanks and best wishes> > > vishnu> > >> > > --- On Sat, 2/27/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > >> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Saturday, February 27, 2010, 4:10 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Vishnu ji,> > >> > >> > >> > > In fact she has asked you a very less amount and am ashamed that she> > >> > > asked you a less amount. Whether you consider it as a fee or a> > donation,> > >> > > but you are not the person who is going to "Decide". It is their> > >> > > prerogative. In fact one must not go to Astrologers too without any> > >> > > offerings.> > >> > >> > >> > > Intentions of marrying after the "Suhaag raat" is not the right> > >> > > intention my Dear. Its people like you who spoil the face of India, by> > >> > > expecting too much for free.....> > >> > >> > >> > > One should have a strong spinal chord, a sense of manliness, a sense> > of> > >> > > culture heritage, a sense of some educational upbringing, before one> > >> > > approaches. To ask for "Free" is a shame for any Indian . But yet we> > see> > >> > > this happenning all around and everytime. This is the reason I did not> > >> > > give you the phone number before, and dont give it to any Tom Dick and> > >> > > Harry, for I know how people want to grab from others like boneless> > >> > > vegetables and parasites. We have lost our bearings unfortunately.> > >> > >> > >> > > Rs.1500 is not a huge sum. You expected the Yogi to ask you Rs.11- ?> > Or> > >> > > did you wish to offer them Rs.21- as per your intentions after the> > >> > > predictions was made ? These people understand how they are being> > taken> > >> > > for a ride by people like you, and am happy that they have started> > >> > > asking for donations. People like you have taken much advantage of> > Yogi> > >> > > Karveji and his family has suffered a lot due to lack of comforts> > >> > > purchasable by money. Birth rectification is not an ordinary matter.> > One> > >> > > has to study a lot. Practise. Learn the various formulaes. Spend time.> > >> > > Forego sleep and comforts. Its a long process when one ultimately> > learns> > >> > > to do so. And then finally carry the rinabandhan of the native for> > whom> > >> > > one does so... All this for petty money ?> > >> > >> > >> > > And next time do not walk into a salon for a haircut, with only Rs.5-> > in> > >> > > pocket. If one cannot afford then dont go there, and dont cry> > afterwards> > >> > > if you cannot afford their fees, and do not bad mouth good people> > behind> > >> > > their backs.....> > >> > >> > >> > > Any cultured person if approaching an astrologer on phone for> > >> > > predictions must in the first sentence itself make it clear that he> > >> > > wants to pay, and how the payment must be sent, and that he would call> > >> > > back after the payment is made...> > >> > >> > >> > > The moment someone says "I want this " and does not reciprocate what> > he> > >> > > receives in any cash or kind , that moment "Buddhi, Shree, Lajja,> > >> > > Shanti, Keerti" these 5 Devatas leave the body and walk away....> > >> > >> > >> > > regards,> > >> > >> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu"> > >> > > <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Dear Sooraj ji,> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My> > >> > > friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time> > >> > > is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as> > donation> > >> > > for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will> > proceed.My> > >> > > friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to> > donate> > >> > > some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like a fee> > and> > >> > > not a donation.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel> > i> > >> > > cant afford to pay a huge sum.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > lets see how it goes for me.> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Thanks and best wishes> > >> > > >> > >> > > > vishnu> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "surajyg"> > >> > > jyothikasooraj@ wrote:> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Dear Vishnu> > >> > > > > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told> > me> > >> > > about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has> > seen> > >> > > some predictions go way off.> > >> > > > > Regards> > >> > > > > Sooraj> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 dear sai raman ji and all frnds first of all let me thank everyone whoever wish me on my re entry into grp ( i am not naming any one specificaly )Now coming to the chart of this lady +++++++++++++++++++++++When u posted for the first time itself the data was wrong and it can b considered as a bad omen(Nimitta) .when i recvd full details i done a prasna on (2nd of march 2010 ) and lagna was kanya with moon and sat in it and all kendras aflicted which says a sad story also in her chart we can see that 4th house and 10th house is aflicted and both planets aspecting 7th house ( sat, tho lagna lord it is 12th Lord also ) and they r forming famous agni maruta yoga ( this has discussed in grp b4 in dept and detail)also we can see 7th Lord sun and karaka for married life venus is in 8th and debilated .( which explains the problems she has under gone ),also with mandi ( gulika of kerala astrology ) is in 12th house .9th house has moon +merc and jup which shud hav saved the chart as 9th is bagya stan and jup aspect will b a saving grace(as jupiter can aspect all trikonas and when we consider partial dristies the story shud hav been diffrnt ) .but it has givn moon lagna more strenght and it has twisted whole chart which made sat +mars in 2/8 axis ,(more over there is dianya parivartana with venus and merc which made dispositer of jup weak and chart become weak )frm Moon sign also the exchnge is not a good one .also her dasa s was not promising with lot of weakness Now the million dollar question is what is next as u asked ,prashna dont board well for her for coming days and needs to increase iswaranukulya ( even the prashna arooda lagna which got tru kowdies is 8th frm her lagna and moon was transiting in her 8th house frm lagan ----) also jup is in 6th House and all kendras afflicted along with moon but for remedials measures and such things she is advised to consult a real knowledgeble astrolger who is well versed in ashtamangala prashna and if prashna allows she can get some releif frm all this i dont hav much time for grp activities rite nowthis is my quick reply and i will write more later rgrds sunil nair , senthil nathan <jpshelters wrote:>> Sairamji>           All 4 pillars(4,7,10kendras) are afflicted by sat and mars.No benefic aspects.> If jup is not aspected(5th) lagna, she would have been a physically challenged.> Please correct me if I am wrong.> thanks & regards> Senthil> > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, sairam nat sairaman53 wrote:> > sairam nat sairaman53 Re: Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai> > Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 8:19 PM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for members for responding>  > the birth details pls note 14 th october 1958    4 00 PM TANJAVUR     NAVAMSA LAGNA>  > is rishbha>  >  > so pls go through and find the reasons for so much suffering in life for this pathetic lady>  >  > here i find again no self efforts or parihara helps at this fag end of her life>  > further what good  and best the kethu in  2nd house in kalapurusha 12th house can do to this native in the incoming periods as dasa>  > prime of marital life is lost>  > charm lost in bringing the children>  > now high sugar and bad health in this 52 years> imagine how cruel the planets and lagna can be>  >  > i always feel about others with some slight discomforts in life how planets and god has blessed them>  > this lady always asking me whether my husband come back  and join with me whether my childredn come up before i die whether my children get good jobs and when i will be financially comfortable what is the pariharas she weeps (two sons)>  > however i have no positive answers to the above lamentations>  >  > it is karma execution>  > with high regards with our group members>  > sairaman>  >  >  > > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete in life ... sai> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 4:19 PM> > >  > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nairji,>  > Let us have an online welcome party to celebrate your presence.> Your grace was missed here.>  > Thanks & Regards> > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, CP <nanna_id2006@ > wrote:> > > CP <nanna_id2006@ >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete in life ... sai> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 1:52 PM> > >  > > Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji,> > Glad to see you back here honestly just few days back i was remembering you!.....> > Hope to read and learn more from your valuable posts...now once again. Probably after the Jup's Cumbustion is over??...... .:-)> > With regards and best wishes> > Chandu2Chill> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> >> >> > Dear respected sai raman ji> >> > Namaskar> >> > The data provided seems to b doubtful .pls re check and let us discuss it.Pls post full details with time of birth or rising degree of lagana or navamsa lagna> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear members,> > >  > > >> > > recently i came across a native woman  and suffering is so deep in every sense for long years> > >  > > >  > > >  > > > 14 9 1958 tanjavur with kumba lagna kethu in2nd house mars  in 4th venus raghu sun in eighth house jupiter mercury moon in 9th and in 10th saturn raghu star swathi> > >  > > > husband left family merged with another woman> > > just after birth of son coming going torturing> > > then 2nd child> > >  > > > now both sons are grown well educated no job no income extreme financial strain> >> > helped by old parenets sisters and one brother> > >  > > > all t the more now high sugar leading to kidney trouble> > >  > > > many explanations can be given to this horoscope for this condition> > >  > > > however i observed this point may be some  members are already aware of this combination so they  can ignore otherwise cantake note of this > > >  > > > kethu is ahead of lagna  from 2nd house and mars in 4th house so all planets leading towards kethu and mars is chasing them from fourth house> > >  > > > mercury dasa now with saturn bukthi> > >  > > > moon will conduct  the dasa from 10th house mercury star kettai and it is the 8th of zodiac sign and 10th of lagna so 10/8> > >  > > > so couldnot be happy with husband> children health everthing in life miserable> > >  > > > however god has given good colour and personality neatness to this woman to weep allthrough life> > >  > > > as i felt very very bad and was searching for and this new idea that all are between dreaded malefic planets kethu and mars> > >  > > > if lagna also is caught inthe trap of malefics no escape whatever parihara self efforts produces no results> > >  > > > financial also heavy loss son went aborad for job after spending  RS 50000 loan came back within a month due to poor health> > >  > > > expected to turn worst in in ayus longivity  also by march to may 2010 during mercury saturn mars > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  in this hors. kethu moving towards> lagna all others leading towards kethu entire lagna and other planets hemmed betwen kethuand mars> > >  > > > Sairaman> > >  > > >  > > >> > > --- On Sun, 28/2/10, Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, 28 February, 2010, 11:01 AM> > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear bhaskarji> > >> > >> > > Everybody born on this earth is different.> > >> > > >> > > Thanks and best wishes> > >> > >> > > vishnu> > >> > > --- On Sun, 2/28/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, February 28, 2010, 4:54 AM> > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > > Dear Vishnu Mohan ji,> > >> > > Day before yesterday, I wanted to get a match making done from one> > > Pundit in Bikaner. I called him up, and my first sentence to him was "> > > JaiShriKrishna, I am Bhaskar Jyotish from Bombay. How much you charge> > > for Match making normally". He mentioned his price and after listening> > > to it, you> know what I replied him ? I told him "I will not pay you what> > > you are asking but will pay you 5 times more. Please give me your Bank> > > account Numbers and I will call you tomorrow. " He sent me an sms of his> > > Bank account Numbers and next day I called him to tell him that the Bank> > > at Bombay say that his account number is not right, and I have arranged> > > somebody to personally hand him the money in Bikaner itself who should> > > come to his place within half an hour. This good man said "Its okay. Let> > > your man come whenever he can. In the meanwhile I have already studied> > > the charts.....etc. "> > >> > > That is the way to approach astrologers and the kind of such people.> > >> > > You do not like to pay Donation as Fees, is your problem. They have not> > > forced you to approach them.> > >> > >> regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Vishnu Mohan> > > <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > > You had a good experience,you shared it here.> > > > I brought forward a bad experience of my friend ,thats it.I didnt know> > > who Karve yogi or Pinky karve is as i have not met them.So i dont need> > > to badmouth anybody nor thats my intention.> > > > I came to know Karve Yogi is a good person only through you.> > > > There are various astrologers who charge fee for birth time> > > rectifications cum astrology but they are very clear about the fees and> > > they dont call it donation.> > > > For me if they had call it a fee of Rs.1500 or 10000, Â i wouldnt> > > mind ,but i dont entertain anybody who call fee as> donation Just like> > > what the schools,colleges too.> > > > By the way i have written nothing about Yogi Karve,who is said to be> > > not attached to money> > > > By the way, i know how to rectify Birth time myself and i have learnt> > > without losing much sleep .Just that i want to double check with> > > somebody who is said to be able to do it with supernatural powers so> > > that element of human error is not involved.> > > > For me fee is different and donation is different.> > > >> > > > Thanks and best wishes> > > > vishnu> > > >> > > > --- On Sat, 2/27/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > >> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > >> > Saturday, February 27, 2010, 4:10 PM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Vishnu ji,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > In fact she has asked you a very less amount and am ashamed that she> > > >> > > > asked you a less amount. Whether you consider it as a fee or a> > > donation,> > > >> > > > but you are not the person who is going to "Decide". It is their> > >> >> > > > prerogative. In fact one must not go to Astrologers too without any> > > >> > > > offerings.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Intentions of marrying after the "Suhaag raat" is not the right> > > >> > > > intention my Dear. Its people like you who spoil the face of India, by> > > >> > > > expecting too much for free.....> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > One should have a strong spinal chord, a sense of manliness, a sense> > > of> > > >> > > > culture heritage, a sense of some educational upbringing, before one> > > >> > > > approaches. To ask for "Free" is a shame for any Indian . But yet we> > > see> > > >> > > > this happenning all around and everytime. This is the reason I did not> > > >> >> > > give you the phone number before, and dont give it to any Tom Dick and> > > >> > > > Harry, for I know how people want to grab from others like boneless> > > >> > > > vegetables and parasites. We have lost our bearings unfortunately.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Rs.1500 is not a huge sum. You expected the Yogi to ask you Rs.11- ?> > > Or> > > >> > > > did you wish to offer them Rs.21- as per your intentions after the> > > >> > > > predictions was made ? These people understand how they are being> > > taken> > > >> > > > for a ride by people like you, and am happy that they have started> > > >> > > > asking for donations. People like you have taken much advantage of> > > Yogi> > > >> > > > Karveji and his family has suffered a> lot due to lack of comforts> > > >> > > > purchasable by money. Birth rectification is not an ordinary matter.> > > One> > > >> > > > has to study a lot. Practise. Learn the various formulaes. Spend time.> > > >> > > > Forego sleep and comforts. Its a long process when one ultimately> > > learns> > > >> > > > to do so. And then finally carry the rinabandhan of the native for> > > whom> > > >> > > > one does so... All this for petty money ?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > And next time do not walk into a salon for a haircut, with only Rs.5-> > > in> > > >> > > > pocket. If one cannot afford then dont go there, and dont cry> > > afterwards> > > >> > > > if you cannot afford their fees, and do not bad mouth good people> >> > behind> > > >> > > > their backs.....> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Any cultured person if approaching an astrologer on phone for> > > >> > > > predictions must in the first sentence itself make it clear that he> > > >> > > > wants to pay, and how the payment must be sent, and that he would call> > > >> > > > back after the payment is made...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > The moment someone says "I want this " and does not reciprocate what> > > he> > > >> > > > receives in any cash or kind , that moment "Buddhi, Shree, Lajja,> > > >> > > > Shanti, Keerti" these 5 Devatas leave the body and walk away....> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regards,> > > >> > > >> >> > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu"> > > >> > > > <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Dear Sooraj ji,> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My> > > >> > > > friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time> > > >> > > > is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as> > > donation> > > >> > > > for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will> > > proceed.My> > > >> > > > friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to> > >> donate> > > >> > > > some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like a fee> > > and> > > >> > > > not a donation.> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her.> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel> > > i> > > >> > > > cant afford to pay a huge sum.> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > lets see how it goes for me.> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Thanks and best wishes> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > vishnu> > > >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "surajyg"> > > >> > > > jyothikasooraj@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Dear Vishnu> > > >> > > > > > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told> > > me> > > >> > > > about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has> > > seen> > > >> > > > some predictions go way off.> > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > >> > > > > > Sooraj> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Dear Sir I am extremely thankful; to you for your analysis and reply it isdivine science and for people with extreme problems without solutions for long long periods in every dasa there is no sight of relief it seems no pariharas or human efforts can give relief we have to get a valid justification as you said for this kind hors. the rules with practical well known cases appliedfor many hors. can give us good enthusiasm andencouragements in this divine science i am always intersted in cases like this from rags to richeness most sufferings sudden down fall etc etc so that we can learn and enjoy this science with my kind regards sairaman astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala Sent: Wed, 3 March, 2010 6:58:59 PM Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai dear sai raman ji and all frnds first of all let me thank everyone whoever wish me on my re entry into grp ( i am not naming any one specificaly )Now coming to the chart of this lady ++++++++++++ +++++++++ ++When u posted for the first time itself the data was wrong and it can b considered as a bad omen(Nimitta) .when i recvd full details i done a prasna on (2nd of march 2010 ) and lagna was kanya with moon and sat in it and all kendras aflicted which says a sad story also in her chart we can see that 4th house and 10th house is aflicted and both planets aspecting 7th house ( sat, tho lagna lord it is 12th Lord also ) and they r forming famous agni maruta yoga ( this has discussed in grp b4 in dept and detail)also we can see 7th Lord sun and karaka for married life venus is in 8th and debilated .( which explains the problems she has under gone ),also with mandi ( gulika of kerala astrology ) is in 12th house .9th house has moon +merc and jup which shud hav saved the chart as 9th is bagya stan and jup aspect will b a saving grace(as jupiter can aspect all trikonas and when we consider partial dristies the story shud hav been diffrnt ) .but it has givn moon lagna more strenght and it has twisted whole chart which made sat +mars in 2/8 axis ,(more over there is dianya parivartana with venus and merc which made dispositer of jup weak and chart become weak )frm Moon sign also the exchnge is not a good one .also her dasa s was not promising with lot of weakness Now the million dollar question is what is next as u asked ,prashna dont board well for her for coming days and needs to increase iswaranukulya ( even the prashna arooda lagna which got tru kowdies is 8th frm her lagna and moon was transiting in her 8th house frm lagan ----) also jup is in 6th House and all kendras afflicted along with moon but for remedials measures and such things she is advised to consult a real knowledgeble astrolger who is well versed in ashtamangala prashna and if prashna allows she can get some releif frm all this i dont hav much time for grp activities rite nowthis is my quick reply and i will write more later rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, senthil nathan <jpshelters@. ..> wrote:>> Sairamji>           All 4 pillars(4,7, 10kendras) are afflicted by sat and mars.No benefic aspects.> If jup is not aspected(5th) lagna, she would have been a physically challenged.> Please correct me if I am wrong.> thanks & regards> Senthil> > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, sairam nat sairaman53@. .. wrote:> > sairam nat sairaman53@. ..> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 8:19 PM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for members for responding>  > the birth details pls note 14 th october 1958    4 00 PM TANJAVUR     NAVAMSA LAGNA>  > is rishbha>  >  > so pls go through and find the reasons for so much suffering in life for this pathetic lady>  >  > here i find again no self efforts or parihara helps at this fag end of her life>  > further what good  and best the kethu in  2nd house in kalapurusha 12th house can do to this native in the incoming periods as dasa>  > prime of marital life is lost>  > charm lost in bringing the children>  > now high sugar and bad health in this 52 years> imagine how cruel the planets and lagna can be>  >  > i always feel about others with some slight discomforts in life how planets and god has blessed them>  > this lady always asking me whether my husband come back  and join with me whether my childredn come up before i die whether my children get good jobs and when i will be financially comfortable what is the pariharas she weeps (two sons)>  > however i have no positive answers to the above lamentations>  >  > it is karma execution>  > with high regards with our group members>  > sairaman>  >  >  > > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete in life ... sai> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 4:19 PM> > >  > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nairji,>  > Let us have an online welcome party to celebrate your presence.> Your grace was missed here.>  > Thanks & Regards> > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, CP <nanna_id2006@ > wrote:> > > CP <nanna_id2006@ >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete in life ... sai> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 1:52 PM> > >  > > Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji,> > Glad to see you back here honestly just few days back i was remembering you!.....> > Hope to read and learn more from your valuable posts...now once again. Probably after the Jup's Cumbustion is over??...... .:-)> > With regards and best wishes> > Chandu2Chill> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> >> >> > Dear respected sai raman ji> >> > Namaskar> >> > The data provided seems to b doubtful .pls re check and let us discuss it.Pls post full details with time of birth or rising degree of lagana or navamsa lagna> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear members,> > >  > > >> > > recently i came across a native woman  and suffering is so deep in every sense for long years> > >  > > >  > > >  > > > 14 9 1958 tanjavur with kumba lagna kethu in2nd house mars  in 4th venus raghu sun in eighth house jupiter mercury moon in 9th and in 10th saturn raghu star swathi> > >  > > > husband left family merged with another woman> > > just after birth of son coming going torturing> > > then 2nd child> > >  > > > now both sons are grown well educated no job no income extreme financial strain> >> > helped by old parenets sisters and one brother> > >  > > > all t the more now high sugar leading to kidney trouble> > >  > > > many explanations can be given to this horoscope for this condition> > >  > > > however i observed this point may be some  members are already aware of this combination so they  can ignore otherwise cantake note of this > > >  > > > kethu is ahead of lagna  from 2nd house and mars in 4th house so all planets leading towards kethu and mars is chasing them from fourth house> > >  > > > mercury dasa now with saturn bukthi> > >  > > > moon will conduct  the dasa from 10th house mercury star kettai and it is the 8th of zodiac sign and 10th of lagna so 10/8> > >  > > > so couldnot be happy with husband> children health everthing in life miserable> > >  > > > however god has given good colour and personality neatness to this woman to weep allthrough life> > >  > > > as i felt very very bad and was searching for and this new idea that all are between dreaded malefic planets kethu and mars> > >  > > > if lagna also is caught inthe trap of malefics no escape whatever parihara self efforts produces no results> > >  > > > financial also heavy loss son went aborad for job after spending  RS 50000 loan came back within a month due to poor health> > >  > > > expected to turn worst in in ayus longivity  also by march to may 2010 during mercury saturn mars > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  in this hors. kethu moving towards> lagna all others leading towards kethu entire lagna and other planets hemmed betwen kethuand mars> > >  > > > Sairaman> > >  > > >  > > >> > > --- On Sun, 28/2/10, Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, 28 February, 2010, 11:01 AM> > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear bhaskarji> > >> > >> > > Everybody born on this earth is different.> > >> > > >> > > Thanks and best wishes> > >> > >> > > vishnu> > >> > > --- On Sun, 2/28/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, February 28, 2010, 4:54 AM> > >> > >> > >  > > >> > >> > > Dear Vishnu Mohan ji,> > >> > > Day before yesterday, I wanted to get a match making done from one> > > Pundit in Bikaner. I called him up, and my first sentence to him was "> > > JaiShriKrishna, I am Bhaskar Jyotish from Bombay. How much you charge> > > for Match making normally". He mentioned his price and after listening> > > to it, you> know what I replied him ? I told him "I will not pay you what> > > you are asking but will pay you 5 times more. Please give me your Bank> > > account Numbers and I will call you tomorrow. " He sent me an sms of his> > > Bank account Numbers and next day I called him to tell him that the Bank> > > at Bombay say that his account number is not right, and I have arranged> > > somebody to personally hand him the money in Bikaner itself who should> > > come to his place within half an hour. This good man said "Its okay. Let> > > your man come whenever he can. In the meanwhile I have already studied> > > the charts.....etc. "> > >> > > That is the way to approach astrologers and the kind of such people.> > >> > > You do not like to pay Donation as Fees, is your problem. They have not> > > forced you to approach them.> > >> > >> regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Vishnu Mohan> > > <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > > You had a good experience,you shared it here.> > > > I brought forward a bad experience of my friend ,thats it.I didnt know> > > who Karve yogi or Pinky karve is as i have not met them.So i dont need> > > to badmouth anybody nor thats my intention.> > > > I came to know Karve Yogi is a good person only through you.> > > > There are various astrologers who charge fee for birth time> > > rectifications cum astrology but they are very clear about the fees and> > > they dont call it donation.> > > > For me if they had call it a fee of Rs.1500 or 10000, Â i wouldnt> > > mind ,but i dont entertain anybody who call fee as> donation Just like> > > what the schools,colleges too.> > > > By the way i have written nothing about Yogi Karve,who is said to be> > > not attached to money> > > > By the way, i know how to rectify Birth time myself and i have learnt> > > without losing much sleep .Just that i want to double check with> > > somebody who is said to be able to do it with supernatural powers so> > > that element of human error is not involved.> > > > For me fee is different and donation is different.> > > >> > > > Thanks and best wishes> > > > vishnu> > > >> > > > --- On Sat, 2/27/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > >> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > >> > Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 4:10 PM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Vishnu ji,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > In fact she has asked you a very less amount and am ashamed that she> > > >> > > > asked you a less amount. Whether you consider it as a fee or a> > > donation,> > > >> > > > but you are not the person who is going to "Decide". It is their> > >> >> > > > prerogative. In fact one must not go to Astrologers too without any> > > >> > > > offerings.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Intentions of marrying after the "Suhaag raat" is not the right> > > >> > > > intention my Dear. Its people like you who spoil the face of India, by> > > >> > > > expecting too much for free.....> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > One should have a strong spinal chord, a sense of manliness, a sense> > > of> > > >> > > > culture heritage, a sense of some educational upbringing, before one> > > >> > > > approaches. To ask for "Free" is a shame for any Indian . But yet we> > > see> > > >> > > > this happenning all around and everytime. This is the reason I did not> > > >> >> > > give you the phone number before, and dont give it to any Tom Dick and> > > >> > > > Harry, for I know how people want to grab from others like boneless> > > >> > > > vegetables and parasites. We have lost our bearings unfortunately.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Rs.1500 is not a huge sum. You expected the Yogi to ask you Rs.11- ?> > > Or> > > >> > > > did you wish to offer them Rs.21- as per your intentions after the> > > >> > > > predictions was made ? These people understand how they are being> > > taken> > > >> > > > for a ride by people like you, and am happy that they have started> > > >> > > > asking for donations. People like you have taken much advantage of> > > Yogi> > > >> > > > Karveji and his family has suffered a> lot due to lack of comforts> > > >> > > > purchasable by money. Birth rectification is not an ordinary matter.> > > One> > > >> > > > has to study a lot. Practise. Learn the various formulaes. Spend time.> > > >> > > > Forego sleep and comforts. Its a long process when one ultimately> > > learns> > > >> > > > to do so. And then finally carry the rinabandhan of the native for> > > whom> > > >> > > > one does so... All this for petty money ?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > And next time do not walk into a salon for a haircut, with only Rs.5-> > > in> > > >> > > > pocket. If one cannot afford then dont go there, and dont cry> > > afterwards> > > >> > > > if you cannot afford their fees, and do not bad mouth good people> >> > behind> > > >> > > > their backs.....> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Any cultured person if approaching an astrologer on phone for> > > >> > > > predictions must in the first sentence itself make it clear that he> > > >> > > > wants to pay, and how the payment must be sent, and that he would call> > > >> > > > back after the payment is made...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > The moment someone says "I want this " and does not reciprocate what> > > he> > > >> > > > receives in any cash or kind , that moment "Buddhi, Shree, Lajja,> > > >> > > > Shanti, Keerti" these 5 Devatas leave the body and walk away....> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regards,> > > >> > > >> >> > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu"> > > >> > > > <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Dear Sooraj ji,> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My> > > >> > > > friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time> > > >> > > > is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as> > > donation> > > >> > > > for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will> > > proceed.My> > > >> > > > friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to> > >> donate> > > >> > > > some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like a fee> > > and> > > >> > > > not a donation.> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her.> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel> > > i> > > >> > > > cant afford to pay a huge sum.> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > lets see how it goes for me.> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Thanks and best wishes> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > vishnu> > > >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "surajyg"> > > >> > > > jyothikasooraj@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Dear Vishnu> > > >> > > > > > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told> > > me> > > >> > > > about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has> > > seen> > > >> > > > some predictions go way off.> > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > >> > > > > > Sooraj> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Dear sairaman Ji Many thanks for ur reply and expect many such charts in future too .But i am of the opinion that astrology as a tool can b used and if we take precautions many events can b averted and peace will b the result provided we use it with real intentions let me quote BV Raman here"Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them"Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma"with warm rgrds sunil nair , sairam nat <sairaman53 wrote:>> Dear Sir> > > I am extremely thankful; to you for your analysis and reply> > it isdivine science and for people with extreme problems without solutions for long long periods in every dasa > > there is no sight of relief > > it seems no pariharas or human efforts can give relief> > we have to get a valid justification as you said for this kind hors.> > the rules with practical well known cases appliedfor many hors. can give us good enthusiasm andencouragements in this divine science > > > i am always intersted in cases like this from rags to richeness most sufferings sudden down fall etc etc so that we can learn and enjoy this science> > with my kind regards > > > sairaman> > > ________________________________> astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala > Wed, 3 March, 2010 6:58:59 PM> Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai> >  > dear sai raman ji and all frnds > > first of all let me thank everyone whoever wish me on my re entry into grp ( i am not naming any one specificaly )> > Now coming to the chart of this lady > ++++++++++++ +++++++++ ++> When u posted for the first time itself the data was wrong and it can b considered as a bad omen(Nimitta) .> > when i recvd full details i done a prasna on (2nd of march 2010 ) and lagna was kanya with moon and sat in it and all kendras aflicted which says a sad story > > also in her chart we can see that 4th house and 10th house is aflicted and both planets aspecting 7th house ( sat, tho lagna lord it is 12th Lord also ) and they r forming famous agni maruta yoga ( this has discussed in grp b4 in dept and detail)> also we can see 7th Lord sun and karaka for married life venus is in 8th and debilated .( which explains the problems she has under gone ),also with mandi ( gulika of kerala astrology ) is in 12th house .> 9th house has moon +merc and jup which shud hav saved the chart as 9th is bagya stan and jup aspect will b a saving grace(as jupiter can aspect all trikonas and when we consider partial dristies the story shud hav been diffrnt ) .> but it has givn moon lagna more strenght and it has twisted whole chart which made sat +mars in 2/8 axis ,(more over there is dianya parivartana with venus and merc which made dispositer of jup weak and chart become weak )frm Moon sign also the exchnge is not a good one .also her dasa s was not promising with lot of weakness > > Now the million dollar question is what is next as u asked ,prashna dont board well for her for coming days and needs to increase iswaranukulya ( even the prashna arooda lagna which got tru kowdies is 8th frm her lagna and moon was transiting in her 8th house frm lagan ----) also jup is in 6th House and all kendras afflicted along with moon > > but for remedials measures and such things she is advised to consult a real knowledgeble astrolger who is well versed in ashtamangala prashna and if prashna allows she can get some releif frm all this > > i dont hav much time for grp activities rite now> this is my quick reply and i will write more later > > rgrds sunil nair >  > ancient_indian_ astrology, senthil nathan jpshelters@ ..> wrote:> >> > Sairamji> >           All 4 pillars(4,7, 10kendras) are afflicted by sat and mars.No benefic aspects.> > If jup is not aspected(5th) lagna, she would have been a physically challenged.> > Please correct me if I am wrong.> > thanks & regards> > Senthil> > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, sairam nat sairaman53@ .. wrote:> > > > sairam nat sairaman53@ ..> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 8:19 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for members for responding> >  > > the birth details pls note 14 th october 1958    4 00 PM TANJAVUR     NAVAMSA LAGNA> >  > > is rishbha> >  > >  > > so pls go through and find the reasons for so much suffering in life for this pathetic lady> >  > >  > > here i find again no self efforts or parihara helps at this fag end of her life> >  > > further what good  and best the kethu in  2nd house in kalapurusha 12th house can do to this native in the incoming periods as dasa> >  > > prime of marital life is lost> >  > > charm lost in bringing the children> >  > > now high sugar and bad health in this 52 years> > imagine how cruel the planets and lagna can be> >  > >  > > i always feel about others with some slight discomforts in life how planets and god has blessed them> >  > > this lady always asking me whether my husband come back  and join with me whether my childredn come up before i die whether my children get good jobs and when i will be financially comfortable what is the pariharas she weeps (two sons)> >  > > however i have no positive answers to the above lamentations> >  > >  > > it is karma execution> >  > > with high regards with our group members> >  > > sairaman> >  > >  > >  > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete in life ... sai> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 4:19 PM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nairji,> >  > > Let us have an online welcome party to celebrate your presence.> > Your grace was missed here.> >  > > Thanks & Regards> > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, CP <nanna_id2006@ > wrote:> > > > > > CP <nanna_id2006@ >> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete in life ... sai> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 1:52 PM> > > > > >  > > > > Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji,> > > > Glad to see you back here honestly just few days back i was remembering you!.....> > > > Hope to read and learn more from your valuable posts...now once again. Probably after the Jup's Cumbustion is over??...... .:-)> > > > With regards and best wishes> > > > Chandu2Chill> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear respected sai raman ji> > >> > > Namaskar> > >> > > The data provided seems to b doubtful .pls re check and let us discuss it.Pls post full details with time of birth or rising degree of lagana or navamsa lagna> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear members,> > > >  > > > >> > > > recently i came across a native woman  and suffering is so deep in every sense for long years> > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > 14 9 1958 tanjavur with kumba lagna kethu in2nd house mars  in 4th venus raghu sun in eighth house jupiter mercury moon in 9th and in 10th saturn raghu star swathi> > > >  > > > > husband left family merged with another woman> > > > just after birth of son coming going torturing> > > > then 2nd child> > > >  > > > > now both sons are grown well educated no job no income extreme financial strain> > >> > > helped by old parenets sisters and one brother> > > >  > > > > all t the more now high sugar leading to kidney trouble> > > >  > > > > many explanations can be given to this horoscope for this condition> > > >  > > > > however i observed this point may be some  members are already aware of this combination so they  can ignore otherwise cantake note of this > > > >  > > > > kethu is ahead of lagna  from 2nd house and mars in 4th house so all planets leading towards kethu and mars is chasing them from fourth house> > > >  > > > > mercury dasa now with saturn bukthi> > > >  > > > > moon will conduct  the dasa from 10th house mercury star kettai and it is the 8th of zodiac sign and 10th of lagna so 10/8> > > >  > > > > so couldnot be happy with husband> > children health everthing in life miserable> > > >  > > > > however god has given good colour and personality neatness to this woman to weep allthrough life> > > >  > > > > as i felt very very bad and was searching for and this new idea that all are between dreaded malefic planets kethu and mars> > > >  > > > > if lagna also is caught inthe trap of malefics no escape whatever parihara self efforts produces no results> > > >  > > > > financial also heavy loss son went aborad for job after spending  RS 50000 loan came back within a month due to poor health> > > >  > > > > expected to turn worst in in ayus longivity  also by march to may 2010 during mercury saturn mars > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  in this hors. kethu moving towards> > lagna all others leading towards kethu entire lagna and other planets hemmed betwen kethuand mars> > > >  > > > > Sairaman> > > >  > > > >  > > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 28/2/10, Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ >> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Sunday, 28 February, 2010, 11:01 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >  > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear bhaskarji> > > >> > > >> > > > Everybody born on this earth is different.> > > >> > > > > >> > > > Thanks and best wishes> > > >> > > >> > > > vishnu> > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 2/28/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Sunday, February 28, 2010, 4:54 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >  > > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Vishnu Mohan ji,> > > >> > > > Day before yesterday, I wanted to get a match making done from one> > > > Pundit in Bikaner. I called him up, and my first sentence to him was "> > > > JaiShriKrishna, I am Bhaskar Jyotish from Bombay. How much you charge> > > > for Match making normally". He mentioned his price and after listening> > > > to it, you> > know what I replied him ? I told him "I will not pay you what> > > > you are asking but will pay you 5 times more. Please give me your Bank> > > > account Numbers and I will call you tomorrow. " He sent me an sms of his> > > > Bank account Numbers and next day I called him to tell him that the Bank> > > > at Bombay say that his account number is not right, and I have arranged> > > > somebody to personally hand him the money in Bikaner itself who should> > > > come to his place within half an hour. This good man said "Its okay. Let> > > > your man come whenever he can. In the meanwhile I have already studied> > > > the charts.....etc. "> > > >> > > > That is the way to approach astrologers and the kind of such people.> > > >> > > > You do not like to pay Donation as Fees, is your problem. They have not> > > > forced you to approach them.> > > >> > > >> > regards,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Vishnu Mohan> > > > <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > > > You had a good experience,you shared it here.> > > > > I brought forward a bad experience of my friend ,thats it.I didnt know> > > > who Karve yogi or Pinky karve is as i have not met them.So i dont need> > > > to badmouth anybody nor thats my intention.> > > > > I came to know Karve Yogi is a good person only through you.> > > > > There are various astrologers who charge fee for birth time> > > > rectifications cum astrology but they are very clear about the fees and> > > > they dont call it donation.> > > > > For me if they had call it a fee of Rs.1500 or 10000, ÃÆ'‚ i wouldnt> > > > mind ,but i dont entertain anybody who call fee as> > donation Just like> > > > what the schools,colleges too.> > > > > By the way i have written nothing about Yogi Karve,who is said to be> > > > not attached to money> > > > > By the way, i know how to rectify Birth time myself and i have learnt> > > > without losing much sleep .Just that i want to double check with> > > > somebody who is said to be able to do it with supernatural powers so> > > > that element of human error is not involved.> > > > > For me fee is different and donation is different.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and best wishes> > > > > vishnu> > > > >> > > > > --- On Sat, 2/27/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > >> > > Saturday, February 27, 2010, 4:10 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ÃÆ'‚> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vishnu ji,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > In fact she has asked you a very less amount and am ashamed that she> > > > >> > > > > asked you a less amount. Whether you consider it as a fee or a> > > > donation,> > > > >> > > > > but you are not the person who is going to "Decide". It is their> > > >> > >> > > > > prerogative. In fact one must not go to Astrologers too without any> > > > >> > > > > offerings.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Intentions of marrying after the "Suhaag raat" is not the right> > > > >> > > > > intention my Dear. Its people like you who spoil the face of India, by> > > > >> > > > > expecting too much for free.....> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > One should have a strong spinal chord, a sense of manliness, a sense> > > > of> > > > >> > > > > culture heritage, a sense of some educational upbringing, before one> > > > >> > > > > approaches. To ask for "Free" is a shame for any Indian . But yet we> > > > see> > > > >> > > > > this happenning all around and everytime. This is the reason I did not> > > > >> > >> > > > give you the phone number before, and dont give it to any Tom Dick and> > > > >> > > > > Harry, for I know how people want to grab from others like boneless> > > > >> > > > > vegetables and parasites. We have lost our bearings unfortunately.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Rs.1500 is not a huge sum. You expected the Yogi to ask you Rs.11- ?> > > > Or> > > > >> > > > > did you wish to offer them Rs.21- as per your intentions after the> > > > >> > > > > predictions was made ? These people understand how they are being> > > > taken> > > > >> > > > > for a ride by people like you, and am happy that they have started> > > > >> > > > > asking for donations. People like you have taken much advantage of> > > > Yogi> > > > >> > > > > Karveji and his family has suffered a> > lot due to lack of comforts> > > > >> > > > > purchasable by money. Birth rectification is not an ordinary matter.> > > > One> > > > >> > > > > has to study a lot. Practise. Learn the various formulaes. Spend time.> > > > >> > > > > Forego sleep and comforts. Its a long process when one ultimately> > > > learns> > > > >> > > > > to do so. And then finally carry the rinabandhan of the native for> > > > whom> > > > >> > > > > one does so... All this for petty money ?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > And next time do not walk into a salon for a haircut, with only Rs.5-> > > > in> > > > >> > > > > pocket. If one cannot afford then dont go there, and dont cry> > > > afterwards> > > > >> > > > > if you cannot afford their fees, and do not bad mouth good people> > >> > > behind> > > > >> > > > > their backs.....> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Any cultured person if approaching an astrologer on phone for> > > > >> > > > > predictions must in the first sentence itself make it clear that he> > > > >> > > > > wants to pay, and how the payment must be sent, and that he would call> > > > >> > > > > back after the payment is made...> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > The moment someone says "I want this " and does not reciprocate what> > > > he> > > > >> > > > > receives in any cash or kind , that moment "Buddhi, Shree, Lajja,> > > > >> > > > > Shanti, Keerti" these 5 Devatas leave the body and walk away....> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu"> > > > >> > > > > <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sooraj ji,> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My> > > > >> > > > > friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time> > > > >> > > > > is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as> > > > donation> > > > >> > > > > for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will> > > > proceed.My> > > > >> > > > > friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to> > > >> > donate> > > > >> > > > > some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like a fee> > > > and> > > > >> > > > > not a donation.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel> > > > i> > > > >> > > > > cant afford to pay a huge sum.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > lets see how it goes for me.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and best wishes> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > vishnu> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "surajyg"> > > > >> > > > > jyothikasooraj@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Vishnu> > > > >> > > > > > > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told> > > > me> > > > >> > > > > about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has> > > > seen> > > > >> > > > > some predictions go way off.> > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > > > Sooraj> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Dear Sunilji, Can really major events be prevented? I would like to learn, if it is possible, how? I request you to enlighten on the same. regds Dev , " astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Dear sairaman Ji > > Many thanks for ur reply and expect many such charts in future too . > > But i am of the opinion that astrology as a tool can b used and if we > take precautions many events can b averted and peace will b the result > provided we use it with real intentions > > let me quote BV Raman here > > " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma " > > with warm rgrds sunil nair > , sairam nat > <sairaman53@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir > > > > > > I am extremely thankful; to you for your analysis and reply > > > > it isdivine science and for people with extreme problems without > solutions for long long periods in every dasa > > > > there is no sight of relief > > > > it seems no pariharas or human efforts can give relief > > > > we have to get a valid justification as you said for this kind hors. > > > > the rules with practical well known cases appliedfor many hors. can > give us good enthusiasm andencouragements in this divine science > > > > > > i am always intersted in cases like this from rags to richeness most > sufferings sudden down fall etc etc so that we can learn and enjoy this > science > > > > with my kind regards > > > > > > sairaman > > > > > > ________________________________ > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ > > > > Wed, 3 March, 2010 6:58:59 PM > > Re: suffering complete 232010 ... > sai > > > >  > > dear sai raman ji and all frnds > > > > first of all let me thank everyone whoever wish me on my re entry into > grp ( i am not naming any one specificaly ) > > > > Now coming to the chart of this lady > > ++++++++++++ +++++++++ ++ > > When u posted for the first time itself the data was wrong and it can > b considered as a bad omen(Nimitta) . > > > > when i recvd full details i done a prasna on (2nd of march 2010 ) and > lagna was kanya with moon and sat in it and all kendras aflicted which > says a sad story > > > > also in her chart we can see that 4th house and 10th house is aflicted > and both planets aspecting 7th house ( sat, tho lagna lord it is 12th > Lord also ) and they r forming famous agni maruta yoga ( this has > discussed in grp b4 in dept and detail) > > also we can see 7th Lord sun and karaka for married life venus is in > 8th and debilated .( which explains the problems she has under gone > ),also with mandi ( gulika of kerala astrology ) is in 12th house . > > 9th house has moon +merc and jup which shud hav saved the chart as 9th > is bagya stan and jup aspect will b a saving grace(as jupiter can aspect > all trikonas and when we consider partial dristies the story shud hav > been diffrnt ) . > > but it has givn moon lagna more strenght and it has twisted whole > chart which made sat +mars in 2/8 axis ,(more over there is dianya > parivartana with venus and merc which made dispositer of jup weak and > chart become weak )frm Moon sign also the exchnge is not a good one > .also her dasa s was not promising with lot of weakness > > > > Now the million dollar question is what is next as u asked ,prashna > dont board well for her for coming days and needs to increase > iswaranukulya ( even the prashna arooda lagna which got tru kowdies > is 8th frm her lagna and moon was transiting in her 8th house frm lagan > ----) also jup is in 6th House and all kendras afflicted along with moon > > > > but for remedials measures and such things she is advised to > consult a real knowledgeble astrolger who is well versed in ashtamangala > prashna and if prashna allows she can get some releif frm all this > > > > i dont hav much time for grp activities rite now > > this is my quick reply and i will write more later > > > > rgrds sunil nair > >  > > ancient_indian_ astrology, senthil nathan > jpshelters@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Sairamji > > >         >   All 4 pillars(4,7, 10kendras) are afflicted by sat and > mars.No benefic aspects. > > > If jup is not aspected(5th) lagna, she would have been a physically > challenged. > > > Please correct me if I am wrong. > > > thanks & regards > > > Senthil > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, sairam nat sairaman53@ .. wrote: > > > > > > sairam nat sairaman53@ .. > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete > 232010 ... sai > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 8:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for members for responding > > >  > > > the birth details pls note 14 th > october 1958    4 00 > PM TANJAVUR     NAVAMSA > LAGNA > > >  > > > is rishbha > > >  > > >  > > > so pls go through and find the reasons for so much suffering > in life for this pathetic lady > > >  > > >  > > > here i find again no self efforts or parihara helps at this fag end > of her life > > >  > > > further what good  and best the kethu in  2nd > house in kalapurusha 12th house can do to this native in the incoming > periods as dasa > > >  > > > prime of marital life is lost > > >  > > > charm lost in bringing the children > > >  > > > now high sugar and bad health in this 52 years > > > imagine how cruel the planets and lagna can > be > > >  > > >  > > > i always feel about others with some slight discomforts in life how > planets and god has blessed them > > >  > > > this lady always asking me whether my husband come back >  and join with me whether my childredn come up before i die > whether my children get good jobs and when i will be financially > comfortable what is the pariharas she weeps (two sons) > > >  > > > however i have no positive answers to the above lamentations > > >  > > >  > > > it is karma execution > > >  > > > with high regards with our group members > > >  > > > sairaman > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete in > life ... sai > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 4:19 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nairji, > > >  > > > Let us have an online welcome party to celebrate your presence. > > > Your grace was missed here. > > >  > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, CP <nanna_id2006@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > CP <nanna_id2006@ > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete in life > ... sai > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 1:52 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji, > > > > > > Glad to see you back here honestly just few days back i was > remembering you!..... > > > > > > Hope to read and learn more from your valuable posts...now once > again. Probably after the Jup's Cumbustion is over??...... .:-) > > > > > > With regards and best wishes > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear respected sai raman ji > > > > > > > > Namaskar > > > > > > > > The data provided seems to b doubtful .pls re check and let us > discuss it.Pls post full details with time of birth or rising degree of > lagana or navamsa lagna > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat > <sairaman53@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > recently i came across a native woman  > and suffering is so deep in every sense for long years > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > > > 14 9 1958 tanjavur with kumba lagna kethu in2nd > house mars  in 4th venus raghu sun in > eighth house jupiter mercury moon in 9th and in 10th > saturn raghu star swathi > > > > >  > > > > > husband left family merged with another woman > > > > > just after birth of son coming going torturing > > > > > then 2nd child > > > > >  > > > > > now both sons are grown well educated no job no income extreme > financial strain > > > > > > > > helped by old parenets sisters and one brother > > > > >  > > > > > all t the more now high sugar leading to kidney trouble > > > > >  > > > > > many explanations can be given to this horoscope for this > condition > > > > >  > > > > > however i observed this point may be some >  members are already aware of this > combination so they  can ignore otherwise cantake note of > this > > > > >  > > > > > kethu is ahead of lagna  from 2nd > house and mars in 4th house so all planets leading towards kethu and > mars is chasing them from fourth house > > > > >  > > > > > mercury dasa now with saturn bukthi > > > > >  > > > > > moon will conduct  the dasa from > 10th house mercury star kettai and it is the 8th of zodiac sign and 10th > of lagna so 10/8 > > > > >  > > > > > so couldnot be happy with husband > > > children health everthing in life miserable > > > > >  > > > > > however god has given good colour and personality > neatness to this woman to weep allthrough life > > > > >  > > > > > as i felt very very bad and was searching for > and this new idea that all are between dreaded malefic planets kethu and > mars > > > > >  > > > > > if lagna also is caught inthe trap of malefics no escape > whatever parihara self efforts produces no results > > > > >  > > > > > financial also heavy loss son went aborad for job after > spending  RS 50000 loan came back within > a month due to poor health > > > > >  > > > > > expected to turn worst in in ayus longivity  also > by march to may 2010 during mercury saturn > mars > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > > >  in this hors. kethu moving towards > > > lagna all others leading towards kethu entire lagna and other > planets hemmed betwen kethuand mars > > > > >  > > > > > Sairaman > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 28/2/10, Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi > karve > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sunday, 28 February, 2010, 11:01 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everybody born on this earth is different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vishnu > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/28/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sunday, February 28, 2010, 4:54 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vishnu Mohan ji, > > > > > > > > > > Day before yesterday, I wanted to get a match making done from > one > > > > > Pundit in Bikaner. I called him up, and my first sentence to him > was " > > > > > JaiShriKrishna, I am Bhaskar Jyotish from Bombay. How much you > charge > > > > > for Match making normally " . He mentioned his price and after > listening > > > > > to it, you > > > know what I replied him ? I told him " I will not pay you what > > > > > you are asking but will pay you 5 times more. Please give me > your Bank > > > > > account Numbers and I will call you tomorrow. " He sent me an > sms of his > > > > > Bank account Numbers and next day I called him to tell him that > the Bank > > > > > at Bombay say that his account number is not right, and I have > arranged > > > > > somebody to personally hand him the money in Bikaner itself who > should > > > > > come to his place within half an hour. This good man said " Its > okay. Let > > > > > your man come whenever he can. In the meanwhile I have already > studied > > > > > the charts.....etc. " > > > > > > > > > > That is the way to approach astrologers and the kind of such > people. > > > > > > > > > > You do not like to pay Donation as Fees, is your problem. They > have not > > > > > forced you to approach them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Vishnu Mohan > > > > > <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > You had a good experience,you shared it here. > > > > > > I brought forward a bad experience of my friend ,thats it.I > didnt know > > > > > who Karve yogi or Pinky karve is as i have not met them.So i > dont need > > > > > to badmouth anybody nor thats my intention. > > > > > > I came to know Karve Yogi is a good person only through you. > > > > > > There are various astrologers who charge fee for birth time > > > > > rectifications cum astrology but they are very clear about the > fees and > > > > > they dont call it donation. > > > > > > For me if they had call it a fee of Rs.1500 or 10000, > ÃÆ'‚ i wouldnt > > > > > mind ,but i dont entertain anybody who call fee as > > > donation Just like > > > > > what the schools,colleges too. > > > > > > By the way i have written nothing about Yogi Karve,who is said > to be > > > > > not attached to money > > > > > > By the way, i know how to rectify Birth time myself and i have > learnt > > > > > without losing much sleep .Just that i want to double check with > > > > > somebody who is said to be able to do it with supernatural > powers so > > > > > that element of human error is not involved. > > > > > > For me fee is different and donation is different. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > > > > > vishnu > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/27/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Saturday, February 27, 2010, 4:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishnu ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact she has asked you a very less amount and am ashamed > that she > > > > > > > > > > > > asked you a less amount. Whether you consider it as a fee or a > > > > > donation, > > > > > > > > > > > > but you are not the person who is going to " Decide " . It is > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prerogative. In fact one must not go to Astrologers too > without any > > > > > > > > > > > > offerings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Intentions of marrying after the " Suhaag raat " is not the > right > > > > > > > > > > > > intention my Dear. Its people like you who spoil the face of > India, by > > > > > > > > > > > > expecting too much for free..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should have a strong spinal chord, a sense of manliness, a > sense > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > culture heritage, a sense of some educational upbringing, > before one > > > > > > > > > > > > approaches. To ask for " Free " is a shame for any Indian . But > yet we > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > this happenning all around and everytime. This is the reason I > did not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give you the phone number before, and dont give it to any Tom > Dick and > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry, for I know how people want to grab from others like > boneless > > > > > > > > > > > > vegetables and parasites. We have lost our bearings > unfortunately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rs.1500 is not a huge sum. You expected the Yogi to ask you > Rs.11- ? > > > > > Or > > > > > > > > > > > > did you wish to offer them Rs.21- as per your intentions after > the > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions was made ? These people understand how they are > being > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > for a ride by people like you, and am happy that they have > started > > > > > > > > > > > > asking for donations. People like you have taken much > advantage of > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > Karveji and his family has suffered a > > > lot due to lack of comforts > > > > > > > > > > > > purchasable by money. Birth rectification is not an ordinary > matter. > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > has to study a lot. Practise. Learn the various formulaes. > Spend time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Forego sleep and comforts. Its a long process when one > ultimately > > > > > learns > > > > > > > > > > > > to do so. And then finally carry the rinabandhan of the native > for > > > > > whom > > > > > > > > > > > > one does so... All this for petty money ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And next time do not walk into a salon for a haircut, with > only Rs.5- > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > pocket. If one cannot afford then dont go there, and dont cry > > > > > afterwards > > > > > > > > > > > > if you cannot afford their fees, and do not bad mouth good > people > > > > > > > > behind > > > > > > > > > > > > their backs..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any cultured person if approaching an astrologer on phone for > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions must in the first sentence itself make it clear > that he > > > > > > > > > > > > wants to pay, and how the payment must be sent, and that he > would call > > > > > > > > > > > > back after the payment is made... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The moment someone says " I want this " and does not > reciprocate what > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > receives in any cash or kind , that moment " Buddhi, Shree, > Lajja, > > > > > > > > > > > > Shanti, Keerti " these 5 Devatas leave the body and walk > away.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Vishnu " > > > > > > > > > > > > <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi > Karve.My > > > > > > > > > > > > friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his > birth time > > > > > > > > > > > > is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as > > > > > donation > > > > > > > > > > > > for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will > > > > > proceed.My > > > > > > > > > > > > friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions > to > > > > > > > > donate > > > > > > > > > > > > some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like > a fee > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > not a donation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to > her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free > service,still i feel > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > cant afford to pay a huge sum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lets see how it goes for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vishnu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " surajyg " > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothikasooraj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vishnu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person > who told > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he > has > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > some predictions go way off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sooraj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Dear Dev Ji Many thanks for ur mail and ur subsequent question .I dont know that if u r of Opinion that all destiny is some thing Like fixed Iron pillars and cant b changed and pourusham and manushikam efforts has of no use ,then why we sent our kids to school if it is ( i mean education and vidya )promised in their chart .Why our poor farmers toiling in hot sun to produce food for us??why we need patri melapak ( matchting ) and what is the use of astrology after all.If everything is predetermined and our subsequent Karma has no effect at all.Any way First let us predict major events very well in advance with precision and then i am sure we can prevent and avert many bad events .but due to lack of time and subjuct may go beyond the scope of the grp which discuss only astrological finer points and this has to b exprnced personaly than teach or enlighten somebody .I am telling this with strong evidences ( but pls dont ask me to reproduce here as some r like confession secrets ) and exprnces.One question to u -We blv Maya originated frm Brahmam ( not Lord Brahma ) and why maya catching every body and but cud not influence brahmam itself???when u find answers i am sure u will b answered in its own way .But any memebrs in grp if interested pls join in discussion and i am realy tied to diffrnt schedules but still i may add one or two paragraphs frm time to time.rgrds sunil nair , "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > Can really major events be prevented?> I would like to learn, if it is possible, how? I request you to enlighten on the same.> > regds> Dev> > > > , "astro_tellerkerala" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear sairaman Ji> > > > Many thanks for ur reply and expect many such charts in future too .> > > > But i am of the opinion that astrology as a tool can b used and if we> > take precautions many events can b averted and peace will b the result> > provided we use it with real intentions> > > > let me quote BV Raman here> > > > "Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control> > Them"Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma"> > > > with warm rgrds sunil nair> > , sairam nat> > <sairaman53@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sir> > >> > >> > > I am extremely thankful; to you for your analysis and reply> > >> > > it isdivine science and for people with extreme problems without> > solutions for long long periods in every dasa> > >> > > there is no sight of relief> > >> > > it seems no pariharas or human efforts can give relief> > >> > > we have to get a valid justification as you said for this kind hors.> > >> > > the rules with practical well known cases appliedfor many hors. can> > give us good enthusiasm andencouragements in this divine science> > >> > >> > > i am always intersted in cases like this from rags to richeness most> > sufferings sudden down fall etc etc so that we can learn and enjoy this> > science> > >> > > with my kind regards> > >> > >> > > sairaman> > >> > >> > > ________________________________> > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > Wed, 3 March, 2010 6:58:59 PM> > > Re: suffering complete 232010 ...> > sai> > >> > > Â> > > dear sai raman ji and all frnds> > >> > > first of all let me thank everyone whoever wish me on my re entry into> > grp ( i am not naming any one specificaly )> > >> > > Now coming to the chart of this lady> > > ++++++++++++ +++++++++ ++> > > When u posted for the first time itself the data was wrong and it can> > b considered as a bad omen(Nimitta) .> > >> > > when i recvd full details i done a prasna on (2nd of march 2010 ) and> > lagna was kanya with moon and sat in it and all kendras aflicted which> > says a sad story> > >> > > also in her chart we can see that 4th house and 10th house is aflicted> > and both planets aspecting 7th house ( sat, tho lagna lord it is 12th> > Lord also ) and they r forming famous agni maruta yoga ( this has> > discussed in grp b4 in dept and detail)> > > also we can see 7th Lord sun and karaka for married life venus is in> > 8th and debilated .( which explains the problems she has under gone> > ),also with mandi ( gulika of kerala astrology ) is in 12th house .> > > 9th house has moon +merc and jup which shud hav saved the chart as 9th> > is bagya stan and jup aspect will b a saving grace(as jupiter can aspect> > all trikonas and when we consider partial dristies the story shud hav> > been diffrnt ) .> > > but it has givn moon lagna more strenght and it has twisted whole> > chart which made sat +mars in 2/8 axis ,(more over there is dianya> > parivartana with venus and merc which made dispositer of jup weak and> > chart become weak )frm Moon sign also the exchnge is not a good one> > .also her dasa s was not promising with lot of weakness> > >> > > Now the million dollar question is what is next as u asked ,prashna> > dont board well for her for coming days and needs to increase> > iswaranukulya ( even the prashna arooda lagna which got tru kowdies> > is 8th frm her lagna and moon was transiting in her 8th house frm lagan> > ----) also jup is in 6th House and all kendras afflicted along with moon> > >> > > but for remedials measures and such things she is advised to> > consult a real knowledgeble astrolger who is well versed in ashtamangala> > prashna and if prashna allows she can get some releif frm all this> > >> > > i dont hav much time for grp activities rite now> > > this is my quick reply and i will write more later> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > > Â> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, senthil nathan> > jpshelters@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > Sairamji> > > >        ÂÂ> >   All 4 pillars(4,7, 10kendras) are afflicted by sat and> > mars.No benefic aspects.> > > > If jup is not aspected(5th) lagna, she would have been a physically> > challenged.> > > > Please correct me if I am wrong.> > > > thanks & regards> > > > Senthil> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, sairam nat sairaman53@ .. wrote:> > > >> > > > sairam nat sairaman53@ ..> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete> > 232010 ... sai> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 8:19 PM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks for members for responding> > > > ÂÂ> > > > the birth details pls note 14 th > > october 1958    4 00 > > PM TANJAVUR     NAVAMSA> > LAGNA> > > > ÂÂ> > > > is rishbha> > > > ÂÂ> > > > ÂÂ> > > > so pls go through and find the reasons for so much suffering> > in life for this pathetic lady> > > > ÂÂ> > > > ÂÂ> > > > here i find again no self efforts or parihara helps at this fag end> > of her life> > > > ÂÂ> > > > further what good  and best the kethu in  2nd> > house in kalapurusha 12th house can do to this native in the incoming> > periods as dasa> > > > ÂÂ> > > > prime of marital life is lost> > > > ÂÂ> > > > charm lost in bringing the children> > > > ÂÂ> > > > now high sugar and bad health in this 52 years> > > > imagine how cruel the planets and lagna can > > be> > > > ÂÂ> > > > ÂÂ> > > > i always feel about others with some slight discomforts in life how> > planets and god has blessed them> > > > ÂÂ> > > > this lady always asking me whether my husband come back> >  and join with me whether my childredn come up before i die> > whether my children get good jobs and when i will be financially> > comfortable what is the pariharas she weeps (two sons)> > > > ÂÂ> > > > however i have no positive answers to the above lamentations> > > > ÂÂ> > > > ÂÂ> > > > it is karma execution> > > > ÂÂ> > > > with high regards with our group members> > > > ÂÂ> > > > sairaman> > > > ÂÂ> > > > ÂÂ> > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete in> > life ... sai> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 4:19 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil Nairji,> > > > ÂÂ> > > > Let us have an online welcome party to celebrate your presence.> > > > Your grace was missed here.> > > > ÂÂ> > > > Thanks & Regards> > > >> > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, CP <nanna_id2006@ > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > CP <nanna_id2006@ >> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete in life> > ... sai> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 1:52 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji,> > > >> > > > Glad to see you back here honestly just few days back i was> > remembering you!.....> > > >> > > > Hope to read and learn more from your valuable posts...now once> > again. Probably after the Jup's Cumbustion is over??...... .:-)> > > >> > > > With regards and best wishes> > > >> > > > Chandu2Chill> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear respected sai raman ji> > > > >> > > > > Namaskar> > > > >> > > > > The data provided seems to b doubtful .pls re check and let us> > discuss it.Pls post full details with time of birth or rising degree of> > lagana or navamsa lagna> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat> > <sairaman53@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear members,> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > >> > > > > > recently i came across a native woman ÂÂÂ> > and suffering is so deep in every sense for long years> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > 14 9 1958 tanjavur with kumba lagna kethu in2nd> > house mars  in 4th venus raghu sun in> > eighth house jupiter mercury moon in 9th and in 10th> > saturn raghu star swathi> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > husband left family merged with another woman> > > > > > just after birth of son coming going torturing> > > > > > then 2nd child> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > now both sons are grown well educated no job no income extreme> > financial strain> > > > >> > > > > helped by old parenets sisters and one brother> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > all t the more now high sugar leading to kidney trouble> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > many explanations can be given to this horoscope for this> > condition> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > however i observed this point may be some> >  members are already aware of this> > combination so they  can ignore otherwise cantake note of> > thisÂÂÂ> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > kethu is ahead of lagna  from 2nd> > house and mars in 4th house so all planets leading towards kethu and> > mars is chasing them from fourth house> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > mercury dasa now with saturn bukthi> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > moon will conduct  the dasa from> > 10th house mercury star kettai and it is the 8th of zodiac sign and 10th> > of lagna so 10/8> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > so couldnot be happy with husband> > > > children health everthing in life miserable> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > however god has given good colour and personalityÂÂÂ> > neatness to this woman to weep allthrough life> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > as i felt very very bad and was searching for> > and this new idea that all are between dreaded malefic planets kethu and> > mars> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > if lagna also is caught inthe trap of malefics no escape> > whatever parihara self efforts produces no results> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > financial also heavy loss son went aborad for job after> > spending  RS 50000 loan came back within> > a month due to poor health> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > expected to turn worst in in ayus longivity  also> > by march to may 2010 during mercury saturn> > marsÂÂÂ> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > >  in this hors. kethu moving towards> > > > lagna all others leading towards kethu entire lagna and other> > planets hemmed betwen kethuand mars> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > Sairaman> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Sun, 28/2/10, Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ >> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi> > karve> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Sunday, 28 February, 2010, 11:01 AM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear bhaskarji> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Everybody born on this earth is different.> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and best wishes> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > vishnu> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/28/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Sunday, February 28, 2010, 4:54 AM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ÂÂÂ> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Vishnu Mohan ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Day before yesterday, I wanted to get a match making done from> > one> > > > > > Pundit in Bikaner. I called him up, and my first sentence to him> > was "> > > > > > JaiShriKrishna, I am Bhaskar Jyotish from Bombay. How much you> > charge> > > > > > for Match making normally". He mentioned his price and after> > listening> > > > > > to it, you> > > > know what I replied him ? I told him "I will not pay you what> > > > > > you are asking but will pay you 5 times more. Please give me> > your Bank> > > > > > account Numbers and I will call you tomorrow. " He sent me an> > sms of his> > > > > > Bank account Numbers and next day I called him to tell him that> > the Bank> > > > > > at Bombay say that his account number is not right, and I have> > arranged> > > > > > somebody to personally hand him the money in Bikaner itself who> > should> > > > > > come to his place within half an hour. This good man said "Its> > okay. Let> > > > > > your man come whenever he can. In the meanwhile I have already> > studied> > > > > > the charts.....etc. "> > > > > >> > > > > > That is the way to approach astrologers and the kind of such> > people.> > > > > >> > > > > > You do not like to pay Donation as Fees, is your problem. They> > have not> > > > > > forced you to approach them.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Vishnu Mohan> > > > > > <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > > > > > You had a good experience,you shared it here.> > > > > > > I brought forward a bad experience of my friend ,thats it.I> > didnt know> > > > > > who Karve yogi or Pinky karve is as i have not met them.So i> > dont need> > > > > > to badmouth anybody nor thats my intention.> > > > > > > I came to know Karve Yogi is a good person only through you.> > > > > > > There are various astrologers who charge fee for birth time> > > > > > rectifications cum astrology but they are very clear about the> > fees and> > > > > > they dont call it donation.> > > > > > > For me if they had call it a fee of Rs.1500 or 10000,> > ÃÆ'‚ i wouldnt> > > > > > mind ,but i dont entertain anybody who call fee as> > > > donation Just like> > > > > > what the schools,colleges too.> > > > > > > By the way i have written nothing about Yogi Karve,who is said> > to be> > > > > > not attached to money> > > > > > > By the way, i know how to rectify Birth time myself and i have> > learnt> > > > > > without losing much sleep .Just that i want to double check with> > > > > > somebody who is said to be able to do it with supernatural> > powers so> > > > > > that element of human error is not involved.> > > > > > > For me fee is different and donation is different.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes> > > > > > > vishnu> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/27/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > >> > > > > Saturday, February 27, 2010, 4:10 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vishnu ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In fact she has asked you a very less amount and am ashamed> > that she> > > > > > >> > > > > > > asked you a less amount. Whether you consider it as a fee or a> > > > > > donation,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > but you are not the person who is going to "Decide". It is> > their> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > prerogative. In fact one must not go to Astrologers too> > without any> > > > > > >> > > > > > > offerings.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Intentions of marrying after the "Suhaag raat" is not the> > right> > > > > > >> > > > > > > intention my Dear. Its people like you who spoil the face of> > India, by> > > > > > >> > > > > > > expecting too much for free.....> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > One should have a strong spinal chord, a sense of manliness, a> > sense> > > > > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > culture heritage, a sense of some educational upbringing,> > before one> > > > > > >> > > > > > > approaches. To ask for "Free" is a shame for any Indian . But> > yet we> > > > > > see> > > > > > >> > > > > > > this happenning all around and everytime. This is the reason I> > did not> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > give you the phone number before, and dont give it to any Tom> > Dick and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Harry, for I know how people want to grab from others like> > boneless> > > > > > >> > > > > > > vegetables and parasites. We have lost our bearings> > unfortunately.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Rs.1500 is not a huge sum. You expected the Yogi to ask you> > Rs.11- ?> > > > > > Or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > did you wish to offer them Rs.21- as per your intentions after> > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > predictions was made ? These people understand how they are> > being> > > > > > taken> > > > > > >> > > > > > > for a ride by people like you, and am happy that they have> > started> > > > > > >> > > > > > > asking for donations. People like you have taken much> > advantage of> > > > > > Yogi> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Karveji and his family has suffered a> > > > lot due to lack of comforts> > > > > > >> > > > > > > purchasable by money. Birth rectification is not an ordinary> > matter.> > > > > > One> > > > > > >> > > > > > > has to study a lot. Practise. Learn the various formulaes.> > Spend time.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Forego sleep and comforts. Its a long process when one> > ultimately> > > > > > learns> > > > > > >> > > > > > > to do so. And then finally carry the rinabandhan of the native> > for> > > > > > whom> > > > > > >> > > > > > > one does so... All this for petty money ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And next time do not walk into a salon for a haircut, with> > only Rs.5-> > > > > > in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > pocket. If one cannot afford then dont go there, and dont cry> > > > > > afterwards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > if you cannot afford their fees, and do not bad mouth good> > people> > > > >> > > > > behind> > > > > > >> > > > > > > their backs.....> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Any cultured person if approaching an astrologer on phone for> > > > > > >> > > > > > > predictions must in the first sentence itself make it clear> > that he> > > > > > >> > > > > > > wants to pay, and how the payment must be sent, and that he> > would call> > > > > > >> > > > > > > back after the payment is made...> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The moment someone says "I want this " and does not> > reciprocate what> > > > > > he> > > > > > >> > > > > > > receives in any cash or kind , that moment "Buddhi, Shree,> > Lajja,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Shanti, Keerti" these 5 Devatas leave the body and walk> > away....> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sooraj ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi> > Karve.My> > > > > > >> > > > > > > friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his> > birth time> > > > > > >> > > > > > > is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as> > > > > > donation> > > > > > >> > > > > > > for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will> > > > > > proceed.My> > > > > > >> > > > > > > friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions> > to> > > > > >> > > > donate> > > > > > >> > > > > > > some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like> > a fee> > > > > > and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > not a donation.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to> > her.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free> > service,still i feel> > > > > > i> > > > > > >> > > > > > > cant afford to pay a huge sum.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > lets see how it goes for me.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > vishnu> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "surajyg"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > jyothikasooraj@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Vishnu> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person> > who told> > > > > > me> > > > > > >> > > > > > > about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he> > has> > > > > > seen> > > > > > >> > > > > > > some predictions go way off.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sooraj> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Dear Sunilji, Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen in good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much important as destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad periods but without much of success. I used the word " Major " that means some umbrella events of life. Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say prevention. But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be averted, would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at umbrella level. I would also like to understand how other learned members in the group opine on this. regds Dev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Dear Dev JI many thanks for ur reply and i do already understand what will b ur response .During my budding yrs ( in astrology tho i still cant/dont claim i know real astrology ) i also had all this doubts Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows astrology ) ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna ( assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which one u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur stand whatver it is ???Now let us discuss another scenario every living astrologer has assured u the period going on is best in ur life for another 20 yrs and after hearing this prediction u r simply making a treatening call to biggest office of power in country or u r mailing a treatening mail ,what do u think what will happen within 24 hrs ??I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and that is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for it .but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the best teacher )rgrds sunil nair Ps--pls forgiv me in anyway my laungage is offending and it is not intentional and due to quick in response i cannot think abt gramatical implications , "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen in good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much important as destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad periods but without much of success. I used the word "Major" that means some umbrella events of life.> > Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say prevention. But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be averted, would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at umbrella level.> > I would also like to understand how other learned members in the group opine on this.> > regds> Dev> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Small efforts giving major gains in good periods, It is correct. At 01:15 PM 3/11/2010, you wrote: Dear Sunilji, Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen in good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much important as destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad periods but without much of success. I used the word " Major " that means some umbrella events of life. Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say prevention. But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be averted, would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at umbrella level. I would also like to understand how other learned members in the group opine on this. regds Dev ***************************************************************************** This Email and files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this Email in error please notify the system manager. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this Email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of IndusInd Bank Ltd. Finally, the recipient should check this Email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. IndusInd Bank Ltd. accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this Email. ***************************************************************************** ** Message has been scanned by Emergic MailServ ** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Dear sunilji, I think we are bit misunderstanding. I believe in Karma along with Chart and destiny, which means that if someone makes a threatening call to big office in good period, he would definitely suffer. But there are two twists here: one, if good period belongs to a good guy with certain set of capabilities as per chart, why the hell he would make a threatening call. Second, if native is terrorist, making a threatening call could be the provokation out of good period but again he would not make a call just for the heck of it and make it properly planned way. Upper hierarchy of even terrorist groups has great brain though they use it for bad purpose. // Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows astrology ) ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna ( assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which one u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur stand whatver it is ??? // In such scenario, I would prefer natal chart since it is more scientific and logical than prasna chart. I would prefer to use natal chart with present transits and yearly charts to sum up but would not keep it above prasna chart. Sorry for this but I don't even favor the time correction by prasna chart. // I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and that is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for it. // Please take you time, no hurry. // but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the best teacher )// I fully agree on this. I am open to any kind of addition in my knowledge provided it fit me logically. regds Dev , " astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > Dear Dev JI > > many thanks for ur reply and i do already understand what will b ur > response . > > During my budding yrs ( in astrology tho i still cant/dont claim i know > real astrology ) i also had all this doubts > > Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows astrology ) > ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the > period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna ( > assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a > good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which one > u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur > stand whatver it is ??? > > Now let us discuss another scenario > > every living astrologer has assured u the period going on is best in ur > life for another 20 yrs and after hearing this prediction u r simply > making a treatening call to biggest office of power in country or u r > mailing a treatening mail ,what do u think what will happen within 24 > hrs ?? > > I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and that > is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological > available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious > blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for > it . > > but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the best > teacher ) > > rgrds sunil nair > > Ps--pls forgiv me in anyway my laungage is offending and it is not > intentional and due to quick in response i cannot think abt gramatical > implications > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sunilji, > > > > Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is > fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen in > good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much important as > destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that > period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad periods > but without much of success. I used the word " Major " that means some > umbrella events of life. > > > > Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say prevention. > But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be averted, > would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and > certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at umbrella > level. > > > > I would also like to understand how other learned members in the group > opine on this. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna revealed the period is best //Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana indications are correct.Regards Kulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala wrote:astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Date: Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 11:04 AM Dear Dev JI many thanks for ur reply and i do already understand what will b ur response .During my budding yrs ( in astrology tho i still cant/dont claim i know real astrology ) i also had all this doubts Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows astrology ) ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna ( assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which one u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur stand whatver it is ???Now let us discuss another scenario every living astrologer has assured u the period going on is best in ur life for another 20 yrs and after hearing this prediction u r simply making a treatening call to biggest office of power in country or u r mailing a treatening mail ,what do u think what will happen within 24 hrs ??I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and that is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for it .but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the best teacher )rgrds sunil nair Ps--pls forgiv me in anyway my laungage is offending and it is not intentional and due to quick in response i cannot think abt gramatical implications ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen in good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much important as destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad periods but without much of success. I used the word "Major" that means some umbrella events of life.> > Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say prevention. But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be averted, would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at umbrella level.> > I would also like to understand how other learned members in the group opine on this.> > regds> Dev> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Dear Lalkitab bhai, aapne pehle ye to samjha hoga ki rahu ko lal kitab mein hathi kyon bola hai..... Manoj Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb Sent: Thu, March 11, 2010 5:15:27 AMRe: Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Sir, a wild guess; // the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna revealed the period is best // Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana indications are correct.RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... saiancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 11 March, 2010, 11:04 AM Dear Dev JI many thanks for ur reply and i do already understand what will b ur response .During my budding yrs ( in astrology tho i still cant/dont claim i know real astrology ) i also had all this doubts Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows astrology ) ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna ( assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which one u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur stand whatver it is ???Now let us discuss another scenario every living astrologer has assured u the period going on is best in ur life for another 20 yrs and after hearing this prediction u r simply making a treatening call to biggest office of power in country or u r mailing a treatening mail ,what do u think what will happen within 24 hrs ??I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and that is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for it .but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the best teacher )rgrds sunil nair Ps--pls forgiv me in anyway my laungage is offending and it is not intentional and due to quick in response i cannot think abt gramatical implications ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen in good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much important as destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad periods but without much of success. I used the word "Major" that means some umbrella events of life.> > Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say prevention. But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be averted, would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at umbrella level.> > I would also like to understand how other learned members in the group opine on this.> > regds> Dev> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Bhai ji, koi galati ho gayi kya. Mera to yahi matlab tha ki bure waqt ko sahi samay par batla kar cheta dena acha hi hota hoga.Regards Kulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:Manoj Kumar <mouji99Re: Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Date: Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:37 PM Dear Lalkitab bhai, aapne pehle ye to samjha hoga ki rahu ko lal kitab mein hathi kyon bola hai..... Manoj Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb >ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, March 11, 2010 5:15:27 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Sir, a wild guess; // the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna revealed the period is best // Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana indications are correct.RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... saiancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 11 March, 2010, 11:04 AM Dear Dev JI many thanks for ur reply and i do already understand what will b ur response .During my budding yrs ( in astrology tho i still cant/dont claim i know real astrology ) i also had all this doubts Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows astrology ) ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna ( assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which one u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur stand whatver it is ???Now let us discuss another scenario every living astrologer has assured u the period going on is best in ur life for another 20 yrs and after hearing this prediction u r simply making a treatening call to biggest office of power in country or u r mailing a treatening mail ,what do u think what will happen within 24 hrs ??I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and that is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for it .but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the best teacher )rgrds sunil nair Ps--pls forgiv me in anyway my laungage is offending and it is not intentional and due to quick in response i cannot think abt gramatical implications ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen in good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much important as destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad periods but without much of success. I used the word "Major" that means some umbrella events of life.> > Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say prevention. But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be averted, would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at umbrella level.> > I would also like to understand how other learned members in the group opine on this.> > regds> Dev> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 What both of you are trying to discuss is beyond comprehension. Please be a little more clear for oridinary people like us to paricipate. By the way, Narayana Dasha is coming under attack from the creator itself. regards, Mouji Ram axeplex <axeplex Sent: Thu, March 11, 2010 3:43:41 AM Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Dear sunilji,I think we are bit misunderstanding. I believe in Karma along with Chart and destiny, which means that if someone makes a threatening call to big office in good period, he would definitely suffer. But there are two twists here: one, if good period belongs to a good guy with certain set of capabilities as per chart, why the hell he would make a threatening call. Second, if native is terrorist, making a threatening call could be the provokation out of good period but again he would not make a call just for the heck of it and make it properly planned way. Upper hierarchy of even terrorist groups has great brain though they use it for bad purpose.// Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows astrology ) ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna ( assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which one u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur stand whatver it is ??? //In such scenario, I would prefer natal chart since it is more scientific and logical than prasna chart. I would prefer to use natal chart with present transits and yearly charts to sum up but would not keep it above prasna chart. Sorry for this but I don't even favor the time correction by prasna chart.// I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and that is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for it. //Please take you time, no hurry.// but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the best teacher )//I fully agree on this. I am open to any kind of addition in my knowledge provided it fit me logically.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> Dear Dev JI> > many thanks for ur reply and i do already understand what will b ur> response .> > During my budding yrs ( in astrology tho i still cant/dont claim i know> real astrology ) i also had all this doubts> > Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows astrology )> ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the> period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna (> assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a> good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which one > u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur> stand whatver it is ???> > Now let us discuss another scenario> > every living astrologer has assured u the period going on is best in ur> life for another 20 yrs and after hearing this prediction u r simply> making a treatening call to biggest office of power in country or u r> mailing a treatening mail ,what do u think what will happen within 24> hrs ??> > I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and that> is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological> available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious> blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for> it .> > but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the best> teacher )> > rgrds sunil nair> > Ps--pls forgiv me in anyway my laungage is offending and it is not> intentional and due to quick in response i cannot think abt gramatical> implications> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@>> wrote:> >> > Dear Sunilji,> >> > Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is> fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen in> good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much important as> destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that> period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad periods> but without much of success. I used the word "Major" that means some> umbrella events of life.> >> > Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say prevention.> But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be averted,> would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and> certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at umbrella> level.> >> > I would also like to understand how other learned members in the group> opine on this.> >> > regds> > Dev> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Mauji bhai,What do you say?Shall we continue with the theme of current thread under consideration i.e. fate versus freewill. or Shall we elaborate as what attributes are given in lalkitab to Rahu?Regards Kulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote:Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkbRe: Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Date: Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:53 PM Bhai ji, koi galati ho gayi kya. Mera to yahi matlab tha ki bure waqt ko sahi samay par batla kar cheta dena acha hi hota hoga.Regards Kulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:Manoj Kumar <mouji99 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... saiancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:37 PM Dear Lalkitab bhai, aapne pehle ye to samjha hoga ki rahu ko lal kitab mein hathi kyon bola hai..... Manoj Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb >ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, March 11, 2010 5:15:27 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Sir, a wild guess; // the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna revealed the period is best // Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana indications are correct.RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... saiancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 11 March, 2010, 11:04 AM Dear Dev JI many thanks for ur reply and i do already understand what will b ur response .During my budding yrs ( in astrology tho i still cant/dont claim i know real astrology ) i also had all this doubts Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows astrology ) ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna ( assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which one u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur stand whatver it is ???Now let us discuss another scenario every living astrologer has assured u the period going on is best in ur life for another 20 yrs and after hearing this prediction u r simply making a treatening call to biggest office of power in country or u r mailing a treatening mail ,what do u think what will happen within 24 hrs ??I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and that is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for it .but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the best teacher )rgrds sunil nair Ps--pls forgiv me in anyway my laungage is offending and it is not intentional and due to quick in response i cannot think abt gramatical implications ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen in good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much important as destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad periods but without much of success. I used the word "Major" that means some umbrella events of life.> > Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say prevention. But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be averted, would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at umbrella level.> > I would also like to understand how other learned members in the group opine on this.> > regds> Dev> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Dear Mouji ji he, mr Dev jumped into this discussion or arguemnts without even properly reading my messge 1n clear sense here is the mail of shri sai raman ji and u can see my reply earlier to his post which has prompted shri devji to ask for clarification----------/message/32931what i can say when some one dont hav clear understanding of what is astrology and what is prashna i was talking( .If everything is possible tru birthcharts then what is the use of prashna ,but we can resort to prashna when some one dont hav birth records rgrds sunil nair , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:>> What both of you are trying to discuss is beyond comprehension. Please be a little more clear for oridinary people like us to paricipate. By the way, Narayana Dasha is coming under attack from the creator itself.> > regards,> > Mouji Ram> > > > > ________________________________> axeplex axeplex > Thu, March 11, 2010 3:43:41 AM> Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai> > Â > Dear sunilji,> > I think we are bit misunderstanding. I believe in Karma along with Chart and destiny, which means that if someone makes a threatening call to big office in good period, he would definitely suffer. But there are two twists here: one, if good period belongs to a good guy with certain set of capabilities as per chart, why the hell he would make a threatening call. Second, if native is terrorist, making a threatening call could be the provokation out of good period but again he would not make a call just for the heck of it and make it properly planned way. Upper hierarchy of even terrorist groups has great brain though they use it for bad purpose.> > // Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows astrology ) ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna ( assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which one u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur stand whatver it is ??? //> > In such scenario, I would prefer natal chart since it is more scientific and logical than prasna chart. I would prefer to use natal chart with present transits and yearly charts to sum up but would not keep it above prasna chart. Sorry for this but I don't even favor the time correction by prasna chart.> > // I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and that is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for it. //> > Please take you time, no hurry.> > // but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the best teacher )//> > I fully agree on this. I am open to any kind of addition in my knowledge provided it fit me logically.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> >> > Dear Dev JI> > > > many thanks for ur reply and i do already understand what will b ur> > response .> > > > During my budding yrs ( in astrology tho i still cant/dont claim i know> > real astrology ) i also had all this doubts> > > > Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows astrology )> > ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the> > period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna (> > assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a> > good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which one > > u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur> > stand whatver it is ???> > > > Now let us discuss another scenario> > > > every living astrologer has assured u the period going on is best in ur> > life for another 20 yrs and after hearing this prediction u r simply> > making a treatening call to biggest office of power in country or u r> > mailing a treatening mail ,what do u think what will happen within 24> > hrs ??> > > > I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and that> > is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological> > available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious> > blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for> > it .> > > > but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the best> > teacher )> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > Ps--pls forgiv me in anyway my laungage is offending and it is not> > intentional and due to quick in response i cannot think abt gramatical> > implications> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunilji,> > >> > > Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is> > fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen in> > good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much important as> > destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that> > period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad periods> > but without much of success. I used the word "Major" that means some> > umbrella events of life.> > >> > > Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say prevention.> > But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be averted,> > would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and> > certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at umbrella> > level.> > >> > > I would also like to understand how other learned members in the group> > opine on this.> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Kal baat karenge dost, aaj dhyan kahin aur hai..... Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb Sent: Thu, March 11, 2010 8:28:53 AMRe: Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Mauji bhai, What do you say? Shall we continue with the theme of current thread under consideration i.e. fate versus freewill. or Shall we elaborate as what attributes are given in lalkitab to Rahu?RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb > wrote: Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... saiancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:53 PM Bhai ji, koi galati ho gayi kya. Mera to yahi matlab tha ki bure waqt ko sahi samay par batla kar cheta dena acha hi hota hoga.RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: Manoj Kumar <mouji99 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... saiancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:37 PM Dear Lalkitab bhai, aapne pehle ye to samjha hoga ki rahu ko lal kitab mein hathi kyon bola hai..... Manoj Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb >ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, March 11, 2010 5:15:27 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Sir, a wild guess; // the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna revealed the period is best // Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana indications are correct.RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... saiancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 11 March, 2010, 11:04 AM Dear Dev JI many thanks for ur reply and i do already understand what will b ur response .During my budding yrs ( in astrology tho i still cant/dont claim i know real astrology ) i also had all this doubts Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows astrology ) ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna ( assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which one u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur stand whatver it is ???Now let us discuss another scenario every living astrologer has assured u the period going on is best in ur life for another 20 yrs and after hearing this prediction u r simply making a treatening call to biggest office of power in country or u r mailing a treatening mail ,what do u think what will happen within 24 hrs ??I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and that is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for it .but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the best teacher )rgrds sunil nair Ps--pls forgiv me in anyway my laungage is offending and it is not intentional and due to quick in response i cannot think abt gramatical implications ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen in good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much important as destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad periods but without much of success. I used the word "Major" that means some umbrella events of life.> > Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say prevention. But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be averted, would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at umbrella level.> > I would also like to understand how other learned members in the group opine on this.> > regds> Dev> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Sunilji, It was not this post that you are referring here that led me to enter the discussion but the post where you wrote " All events can be averted " and I rasied a querry " Please teach me how because umbrella level things can not be changed. " There was no discussion or argument here. Secondly, I have asked separately in reply to Sreenadhji mail about the Prasna chart and Prasnamarg. Every book shall say " I am the best " . Recently I have started learning new technique and it says " Everything else is unscientific, only this is scientific " . It does not man that I would consider it as it is, I would practice it and then comment. Also interesting thing in this technique is that all basics are based on vedic strology but still it calls the base as unscientific. Strange! If you are not inetrested in carrying the discussion, it is ok, we can leave it and anyway, at the end of the day everybody is on its own in the astrology field. regds Dev , " astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Dear Mouji ji > > he, mr Dev jumped into this discussion or arguemnts without even > properly reading my messge 1n clear sense > > here is the mail of shri sai raman ji and u can see my reply earlier to > > his post which has prompted shri devji to ask for clarification > > ----------/message\ > /32931 > > > what i can say when some one dont hav clear understanding of what is > astrology and what is prashna i was talking( .If everything is possible > tru birthcharts then what is the use of prashna ,but we can resort to > prashna when some one dont hav birth records > > > rgrds sunil nair , Manoj Kumar > <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > What both of you are trying to discuss is beyond comprehension. Please > be a little more clear for oridinary people like us to paricipate. By > the way, Narayana Dasha is coming under attack from the creator itself. > > > > regards, > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > Thu, March 11, 2010 3:43:41 AM > > Re: suffering complete 232010 ... > sai > > > > Â > > Dear sunilji, > > > > I think we are bit misunderstanding. I believe in Karma along with > Chart and destiny, which means that if someone makes a threatening call > to big office in good period, he would definitely suffer. But there are > two twists here: one, if good period belongs to a good guy with certain > set of capabilities as per chart, why the hell he would make a > threatening call. Second, if native is terrorist, making a threatening > call could be the provokation out of good period but again he would not > make a call just for the heck of it and make it properly planned way. > Upper hierarchy of even terrorist groups has great brain though they use > it for bad purpose. > > > > // Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows > astrology ) ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u > find the period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent > prashna ( assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time > has a good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best > ,which one u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer > for ur stand whatver it is ??? // > > > > In such scenario, I would prefer natal chart since it is more > scientific and logical than prasna chart. I would prefer to use natal > chart with present transits and yearly charts to sum up but would not > keep it above prasna chart. Sorry for this but I don't even favor the > time correction by prasna chart. > > > > // I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and > that is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological > available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious > blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for > it. // > > > > Please take you time, no hurry. > > > > // but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the > best teacher )// > > > > I fully agree on this. I am open to any kind of addition in my > knowledge provided it fit me logically. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev JI > > > > > > many thanks for ur reply and i do already understand what will b ur > > > response . > > > > > > During my budding yrs ( in astrology tho i still cant/dont claim i > know > > > real astrology ) i also had all this doubts > > > > > > Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows > astrology ) > > > ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the > > > period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna ( > > > assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a > > > good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which > one > > > u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur > > > stand whatver it is ??? > > > > > > Now let us discuss another scenario > > > > > > every living astrologer has assured u the period going on is best in > ur > > > life for another 20 yrs and after hearing this prediction u r simply > > > making a treatening call to biggest office of power in country or u > r > > > mailing a treatening mail ,what do u think what will happen within > 24 > > > hrs ?? > > > > > > I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and > that > > > is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological > > > available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and > religious > > > blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end > for > > > it . > > > > > > but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the > best > > > teacher ) > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > Ps--pls forgiv me in anyway my laungage is offending and it is not > > > intentional and due to quick in response i cannot think abt > gramatical > > > implications > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > <axeplex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is > > > fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen > in > > > good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much > important as > > > destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that > > > period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad > periods > > > but without much of success. I used the word " Major " that means some > > > umbrella events of life. > > > > > > > > Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say > prevention. > > > But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be > averted, > > > would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and > > > certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at > umbrella > > > level. > > > > > > > > I would also like to understand how other learned members in the > group > > > opine on this. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Dear Mouji and kulbirji pls try to write in english as there is lot of memebrs who dont understand any laungage other than english hope u ppl will cooperate in this matter thank s rgrds sunil nair , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:>> Kal baat karenge dost, aaj dhyan kahin aur hai.....> > > > > ________________________________> Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb > Thu, March 11, 2010 8:28:53 AM> Re: Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai> >  > Mauji bhai, > What do you say?> Shall we continue with the theme of current thread under consideration i.e. fate versus freewill. > or > Shall we elaborate as what attributes are given in lalkitab to Rahu?> > Regards> Kulbir Bains> > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb > wrote:> > > >Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb >> >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai> >ancient_indian_ astrology> >Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:53 PM> >> >> > > >Bhai ji, koi galati ho gayi kya. Mera to yahi matlab tha ki bure waqt ko sahi samay par batla kar cheta dena acha hi hota hoga.> >> >Regards> >Kulbir Bains> >> >--- On Thu, 11/3/10, Manoj Kumar mouji99 > wrote:> >> >> >>Manoj Kumar mouji99 >> >>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai> >>ancient_indian_ astrology> >>Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:37 PM> >>> >>> >> > >>Dear Lalkitab bhai,> >>> >>aapne pehle ye to samjha hoga ki rahu ko lal kitab mein hathi kyon bola hai.....> >>> >>Manoj> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________> Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb >> >>ancient_indian_ astrology> >>Thu, March 11, 2010 5:15:27 AM> >>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai> >>> >> > >>Sir, a wild guess; > >>// the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna  revealed the period is best //> >>> >>> >>Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications are correct.> >>> >>Regards> >>Kulbir Bains> >>> >>--- On Thu, 11/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> >>> >>> >>>astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> >>>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai> >>>ancient_indian_ astrology> >>>Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 11:04 AM> >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>Dear Dev JI > >>>> >>> many thanks for ur reply and i do already understand what will b ur response .> >>>> >>>During my budding yrs ( in astrology tho i still cant/dont claim i know real astrology ) i also had all this doubts > >>>> >>>Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows astrology ) ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna ( assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which one u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur stand whatver it is ???> >>>> >>>Now let us discuss another scenario > >>>> >>>every living astrologer has assured u the period going on is best in ur life for another 20 yrs and after hearing this prediction u r simply making a treatening call to biggest office of power in country or u r mailing a treatening mail ,what do u think what will happen within 24 hrs ??> >>>> >>>I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and that is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for it .> >>>> >>>but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the best teacher )> >>>> >>>rgrds sunil nair > >>>> >>>Ps--pls forgiv me in anyway my laungage is offending and it is not intentional and due to quick in response i cannot think abt gramatical implications > >>>> >>>> >>>ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" axeplex@ wrote:> >>>>> >>>> Dear Sunilji,> >>>> > >>>> Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen in good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much important as destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad periods but without much of success. I used the word "Major" that means some umbrella events of life.> >>>> > >>>> Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say prevention. But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be averted, would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at umbrella level.> >>>> > >>>> I would also like to understand how other learned members in the group opine on this.> >>>> > >>>> regds> >>>> Dev> >>>>> >>> > >>> ________________________________> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Devji here is ur first messge if u ask it deliberately without reading the messge i wrote then i can say this discussion of u was not serious or academic where as i was expecting a serious discussion frm u for freshen ur memories here is the messge No/message/32925I blv till a child is born ( i mean within legal /medical limit of termination ) it can b stopped ,till u marry and tie the Knot u can always stop it and then when u marry a diffrnt girl she will b ur wife so what r u talking abt ??? do u think all these r not major events in Life ???pls dont ask questions for the sake of questions if u dont know subjuct then behav in such a way ,show the eagerness and same time Hav the discipline required for a student/beginer .every one else has understood what i wanted to convey and only u cant --rgrds sunil nair , "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Sunilji,> > It was not this post that you are referring here that led me to enter the discussion but the post where you wrote "All events can be averted" and I rasied a querry "Please teach me how because umbrella level things can not be changed." There was no discussion or argument here.> > Secondly, I have asked separately in reply to Sreenadhji mail about the Prasna chart and Prasnamarg. Every book shall say "I am the best". Recently I have started learning new technique and it says "Everything else is unscientific, only this is scientific". It does not man that I would consider it as it is, I would practice it and then comment. Also interesting thing in this technique is that all basics are based on vedic strology but still it calls the base as unscientific. Strange!> > If you are not inetrested in carrying the discussion, it is ok, we can leave it and anyway, at the end of the day everybody is on its own in the astrology field.> > regds> Dev> > , "astro_tellerkerala" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Mouji ji> > > > he, mr Dev jumped into this discussion or arguemnts without even> > properly reading my messge 1n clear sense> > > > here is the mail of shri sai raman ji and u can see my reply earlier to> > > > his post which has prompted shri devji to ask for clarification> > > > ----------/message\> > /32931> > > > > > what i can say when some one dont hav clear understanding of what is> > astrology and what is prashna i was talking( .If everything is possible> > tru birthcharts then what is the use of prashna ,but we can resort to> > prashna when some one dont hav birth records> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar> > <mouji99@> wrote:> > >> > > What both of you are trying to discuss is beyond comprehension. Please> > be a little more clear for oridinary people like us to paricipate. By> > the way, Narayana Dasha is coming under attack from the creator itself.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Mouji Ram> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ________________________________> > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > Thu, March 11, 2010 3:43:41 AM> > > Re: suffering complete 232010 ...> > sai> > >> > > Â> > > Dear sunilji,> > >> > > I think we are bit misunderstanding. I believe in Karma along with> > Chart and destiny, which means that if someone makes a threatening call> > to big office in good period, he would definitely suffer. But there are> > two twists here: one, if good period belongs to a good guy with certain> > set of capabilities as per chart, why the hell he would make a> > threatening call. Second, if native is terrorist, making a threatening> > call could be the provokation out of good period but again he would not> > make a call just for the heck of it and make it properly planned way.> > Upper hierarchy of even terrorist groups has great brain though they use> > it for bad purpose.> > >> > > // Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows> > astrology ) ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u> > find the period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent> > prashna ( assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time> > has a good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best> > ,which one u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer> > for ur stand whatver it is ??? //> > >> > > In such scenario, I would prefer natal chart since it is more> > scientific and logical than prasna chart. I would prefer to use natal> > chart with present transits and yearly charts to sum up but would not> > keep it above prasna chart. Sorry for this but I don't even favor the> > time correction by prasna chart.> > >> > > // I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and> > that is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological> > available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious> > blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for> > it. //> > >> > > Please take you time, no hurry.> > >> > > // but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the> > best teacher )//> > >> > > I fully agree on this. I am open to any kind of addition in my> > knowledge provided it fit me logically.> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Dev JI> > > >> > > > many thanks for ur reply and i do already understand what will b ur> > > > response .> > > >> > > > During my budding yrs ( in astrology tho i still cant/dont claim i> > know> > > > real astrology ) i also had all this doubts> > > >> > > > Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows> > astrology )> > > > ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the> > > > period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna (> > > > assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a> > > > good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which> > one> > > > u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur> > > > stand whatver it is ???> > > >> > > > Now let us discuss another scenario> > > >> > > > every living astrologer has assured u the period going on is best in> > ur> > > > life for another 20 yrs and after hearing this prediction u r simply> > > > making a treatening call to biggest office of power in country or u> > r> > > > mailing a treatening mail ,what do u think what will happen within> > 24> > > > hrs ??> > > >> > > > I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and> > that> > > > is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological> > > > available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and> > religious> > > > blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end> > for> > > > it .> > > >> > > > but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the> > best> > > > teacher )> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > Ps--pls forgiv me in anyway my laungage is offending and it is not> > > > intentional and due to quick in response i cannot think abt> > gramatical> > > > implications> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > <axeplex@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunilji,> > > > >> > > > > Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is> > > > fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen> > in> > > > good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much> > important as> > > > destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that> > > > period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad> > periods> > > > but without much of success. I used the word "Major" that means some> > > > umbrella events of life.> > > > >> > > > > Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say> > prevention.> > > > But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be> > averted,> > > > would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and> > > > certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at> > umbrella> > > > level.> > > > >> > > > > I would also like to understand how other learned members in the> > group> > > > opine on this.> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Sunilji, Yes, indeed the message you referred right now is the right one. In your earlier post to Manojji, you referred to /message/32931 message, that was not the right one. At least, have sanctity in these things. I am not interested in discussing with you any more or anybody with strong ideals. In fact, now onwards, I shall not discuss anything with you at all since I only love to discuss with people who are open and have answer or simple say no answer. Not that they just bring their ideals, their academic greatness when they fail to answer questions and then start preaching on this and that. Good bye. Thanks for your time and ultimately everyone on its own. Dev , " astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Devji > > here is ur first messge > > if u ask it deliberately without reading the messge i wrote then i can > say this discussion of u was not serious or academic where as i was > expecting a serious discussion frm u > > for freshen ur memories here is the messge No > /message/32925 > > I blv till a child is born ( i mean within legal /medical limit of > termination ) it can b stopped ,till u marry and tie the Knot u can > always stop it and then when u marry a diffrnt girl she will b ur wife > > so what r u talking abt ??? do u think all these r not major events in > Life ??? > > pls dont ask questions for the sake of questions > > if u dont know subjuct then behav in such a way ,show the eagerness and > same time Hav the discipline required for a student/beginer . > > every one else has understood what i wanted to convey and only u cant > -- > > rgrds sunil nair > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> > wrote: > > > > Sunilji, > > > > It was not this post that you are referring here that led me to enter > the discussion but the post where you wrote " All events can be averted " > and I rasied a querry " Please teach me how because umbrella level things > can not be changed. " There was no discussion or argument here. > > > > Secondly, I have asked separately in reply to Sreenadhji mail about > the Prasna chart and Prasnamarg. Every book shall say " I am the best " . > Recently I have started learning new technique and it says " Everything > else is unscientific, only this is scientific " . It does not man that I > would consider it as it is, I would practice it and then comment. Also > interesting thing in this technique is that all basics are based on > vedic strology but still it calls the base as unscientific. Strange! > > > > If you are not inetrested in carrying the discussion, it is ok, we can > leave it and anyway, at the end of the day everybody is on its own in > the astrology field. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " astro_tellerkerala " > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Mouji ji > > > > > > he, mr Dev jumped into this discussion or arguemnts without even > > > properly reading my messge 1n clear sense > > > > > > here is the mail of shri sai raman ji and u can see my reply earlier > to > > > > > > his post which has prompted shri devji to ask for clarification > > > > > > > ----------/message\ > \ > > > /32931 > > > > > > > > > what i can say when some one dont hav clear understanding of what is > > > astrology and what is prashna i was talking( .If everything is > possible > > > tru birthcharts then what is the use of prashna ,but we can resort > to > > > prashna when some one dont hav birth records > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Kumar > > > <mouji99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > What both of you are trying to discuss is beyond comprehension. > Please > > > be a little more clear for oridinary people like us to paricipate. > By > > > the way, Narayana Dasha is coming under attack from the creator > itself. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > Thu, March 11, 2010 3:43:41 AM > > > > Re: suffering complete 232010 > ... > > > sai > > > > > > > > Â > > > > Dear sunilji, > > > > > > > > I think we are bit misunderstanding. I believe in Karma along with > > > Chart and destiny, which means that if someone makes a threatening > call > > > to big office in good period, he would definitely suffer. But there > are > > > two twists here: one, if good period belongs to a good guy with > certain > > > set of capabilities as per chart, why the hell he would make a > > > threatening call. Second, if native is terrorist, making a > threatening > > > call could be the provokation out of good period but again he would > not > > > make a call just for the heck of it and make it properly planned > way. > > > Upper hierarchy of even terrorist groups has great brain though they > use > > > it for bad purpose. > > > > > > > > // Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows > > > astrology ) ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and > u > > > find the period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent > > > prashna ( assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same > time > > > has a good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best > > > ,which one u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can > offer > > > for ur stand whatver it is ??? // > > > > > > > > In such scenario, I would prefer natal chart since it is more > > > scientific and logical than prasna chart. I would prefer to use > natal > > > chart with present transits and yearly charts to sum up but would > not > > > keep it above prasna chart. Sorry for this but I don't even favor > the > > > time correction by prasna chart. > > > > > > > > // I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest > and > > > that is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only > astrological > > > available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and > religious > > > blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end > for > > > it. // > > > > > > > > Please take you time, no hurry. > > > > > > > > // but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is > the > > > best teacher )// > > > > > > > > I fully agree on this. I am open to any kind of addition in my > > > knowledge provided it fit me logically. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > " astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev JI > > > > > > > > > > many thanks for ur reply and i do already understand what will b > ur > > > > > response . > > > > > > > > > > During my budding yrs ( in astrology tho i still cant/dont claim > i > > > know > > > > > real astrology ) i also had all this doubts > > > > > > > > > > Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows > > > astrology ) > > > > > ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find > the > > > > > period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna > ( > > > > > assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time > has a > > > > > good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best > ,which > > > one > > > > > u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer > for ur > > > > > stand whatver it is ??? > > > > > > > > > > Now let us discuss another scenario > > > > > > > > > > every living astrologer has assured u the period going on is > best in > > > ur > > > > > life for another 20 yrs and after hearing this prediction u r > simply > > > > > making a treatening call to biggest office of power in country > or u > > > r > > > > > mailing a treatening mail ,what do u think what will happen > within > > > 24 > > > > > hrs ?? > > > > > > > > > > I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest > and > > > that > > > > > is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only > astrological > > > > > available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and > > > religious > > > > > blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no > end > > > for > > > > > it . > > > > > > > > > > but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is > the > > > best > > > > > teacher ) > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > Ps--pls forgiv me in anyway my laungage is offending and it is > not > > > > > intentional and due to quick in response i cannot think abt > > > gramatical > > > > > implications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything > is > > > > > fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things > happen > > > in > > > > > good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much > > > important as > > > > > destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in > that > > > > > period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad > > > periods > > > > > but without much of success. I used the word " Major " that means > some > > > > > umbrella events of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say > > > prevention. > > > > > But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be > > > averted, > > > > > would result into failure of few of the astrological theories > and > > > > > certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at > > > umbrella > > > > > level. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to understand how other learned members in > the > > > group > > > > > opine on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Fate V/s Freewill debate is happening in this universe since creation and shall continue till this universe comes to an end. Mouji Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb Sent: Thu, March 11, 2010 9:58:53 PMRe: Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Mauji bhai, What do you say? Shall we continue with the theme of current thread under consideration i.e. fate versus freewill. or Shall we elaborate as what attributes are given in lalkitab to Rahu?RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb > wrote: Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... saiancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:53 PM Bhai ji, koi galati ho gayi kya. Mera to yahi matlab tha ki bure waqt ko sahi samay par batla kar cheta dena acha hi hota hoga.RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: Manoj Kumar <mouji99 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... saiancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:37 PM Dear Lalkitab bhai, aapne pehle ye to samjha hoga ki rahu ko lal kitab mein hathi kyon bola hai..... Manoj Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb >ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, March 11, 2010 5:15:27 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Sir, a wild guess; // the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna revealed the period is best // Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana indications are correct.RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... saiancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 11 March, 2010, 11:04 AM Dear Dev JI many thanks for ur reply and i do already understand what will b ur response .During my budding yrs ( in astrology tho i still cant/dont claim i know real astrology ) i also had all this doubts Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows astrology ) ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna ( assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which one u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur stand whatver it is ???Now let us discuss another scenario every living astrologer has assured u the period going on is best in ur life for another 20 yrs and after hearing this prediction u r simply making a treatening call to biggest office of power in country or u r mailing a treatening mail ,what do u think what will happen within 24 hrs ??I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and that is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for it .but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the best teacher )rgrds sunil nair Ps--pls forgiv me in anyway my laungage is offending and it is not intentional and due to quick in response i cannot think abt gramatical implications ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen in good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much important as destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad periods but without much of success. I used the word "Major" that means some umbrella events of life.> > Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say prevention. But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be averted, would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at umbrella level.> > I would also like to understand how other learned members in the group opine on this.> > regds> Dev> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 So at last you discovered it! but what are your interpretations about natal chart and prashna chart in this regard.Kulbir Bains.On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: Fate V/s Freewill debate is happening in this universe since creation and shall continue till this universe comes to an end. Mouji Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb Thu, March 11, 2010 9:58:53 PMRe: Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Mauji bhai, What do you say? Shall we continue with the theme of current thread under consideration i.e. fate versus freewill. or Shall we elaborate as what attributes are given in lalkitab to Rahu?RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb > wrote: Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... saiancient_indian_ astrology Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:53 PM Bhai ji, koi galati ho gayi kya. Mera to yahi matlab tha ki bure waqt ko sahi samay par batla kar cheta dena acha hi hota hoga.RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: Manoj Kumar <mouji99 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... saiancient_indian_ astrology Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:37 PM Dear Lalkitab bhai, aapne pehle ye to samjha hoga ki rahu ko lal kitab mein hathi kyon bola hai..... Manoj Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb >ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, March 11, 2010 5:15:27 AM Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Sir, a wild guess; // the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna revealed the period is best // Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana indications are correct. RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 11 March, 2010, 11:04 AM Dear Dev JI many thanks for ur reply and i do already understand what will b ur response .During my budding yrs ( in astrology tho i still cant/dont claim i know real astrology ) i also had all this doubts Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows astrology ) ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna ( assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which one u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur stand whatver it is ??? Now let us discuss another scenario every living astrologer has assured u the period going on is best in ur life for another 20 yrs and after hearing this prediction u r simply making a treatening call to biggest office of power in country or u r mailing a treatening mail ,what do u think what will happen within 24 hrs ??I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and that is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for it . but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the best teacher )rgrds sunil nair Ps--pls forgiv me in anyway my laungage is offending and it is not intentional and due to quick in response i cannot think abt gramatical implications ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen in good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much important as destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad periods but without much of success. I used the word " Major " that means some umbrella events of life. > > Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say prevention. But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be averted, would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at umbrella level. > > I would also like to understand how other learned members in the group opine on this.> > regds> Dev> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 seeedhi si baat hai, horoscope (kundali) is the "jeevan rekha" and prashna is "tatkal khela"....... Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 5:30:36 PMRe: Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai So at last you discovered it! but what are your interpretations about natal chart and prashna chart in this regard. Kulbir Bains. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: Fate V/s Freewill debate is happening in this universe since creation and shall continue till this universe comes to an end. Mouji Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb > ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, March 11, 2010 9:58:53 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Mauji bhai, What do you say? Shall we continue with the theme of current thread under consideration i.e. fate versus freewill. or Shall we elaborate as what attributes are given in lalkitab to Rahu?RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb > wrote: Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:53 PM Bhai ji, koi galati ho gayi kya. Mera to yahi matlab tha ki bure waqt ko sahi samay par batla kar cheta dena acha hi hota hoga.RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: Manoj Kumar <mouji99 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:37 PM Dear Lalkitab bhai, aapne pehle ye to samjha hoga ki rahu ko lal kitab mein hathi kyon bola hai..... Manoj Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb > ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, March 11, 2010 5:15:27 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Sir, a wild guess; // the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna revealed the period is best // Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana indications are correct.RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 11 March, 2010, 11:04 AM Dear Dev JI many thanks for ur reply and i do already understand what will b ur response .During my budding yrs ( in astrology tho i still cant/dont claim i know real astrology ) i also had all this doubts Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows astrology ) ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna ( assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which one u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur stand whatver it is ???Now let us discuss another scenario every living astrologer has assured u the period going on is best in ur life for another 20 yrs and after hearing this prediction u r simply making a treatening call to biggest office of power in country or u r mailing a treatening mail ,what do u think what will happen within 24 hrs ??I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and that is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for it .but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the best teacher )rgrds sunil nair Ps--pls forgiv me in anyway my laungage is offending and it is not intentional and due to quick in response i cannot think abt gramatical implications ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen in good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much important as destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad periods but without much of success. I used the word "Major" that means some umbrella events of life.> > Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say prevention. But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be averted, would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at umbrella level.> > I would also like to understand how other learned members in the group opine on this.> > regds> Dev> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 der aaye durust aaye ..............On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: seeedhi si baat hai, horoscope (kundali) is the " jeevan rekha " and prashna is " tatkal khela " ....... Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb Fri, March 12, 2010 5:30:36 PMRe: Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai So at last you discovered it! but what are your interpretations about natal chart and prashna chart in this regard. Kulbir Bains. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: Fate V/s Freewill debate is happening in this universe since creation and shall continue till this universe comes to an end. Mouji Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb > ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, March 11, 2010 9:58:53 PM Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Mauji bhai, What do you say? Shall we continue with the theme of current thread under consideration i.e. fate versus freewill. or Shall we elaborate as what attributes are given in lalkitab to Rahu?RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb > wrote: Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:53 PM Bhai ji, koi galati ho gayi kya. Mera to yahi matlab tha ki bure waqt ko sahi samay par batla kar cheta dena acha hi hota hoga.RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: Manoj Kumar <mouji99 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:37 PM Dear Lalkitab bhai, aapne pehle ye to samjha hoga ki rahu ko lal kitab mein hathi kyon bola hai..... Manoj Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb > ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, March 11, 2010 5:15:27 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai Sir, a wild guess; // the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna revealed the period is best // Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana indications are correct. RegardsKulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote: astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 11 March, 2010, 11:04 AM Dear Dev JI many thanks for ur reply and i do already understand what will b ur response .During my budding yrs ( in astrology tho i still cant/dont claim i know real astrology ) i also had all this doubts Now let me ask u being a astrologer (i mean those who knows astrology ) ,u got a chart ( a client or queriest approached u) and u find the period is bad according to birthchart and the subsequent prashna ( assuming u r best in Both natal chart horoscopy and same time has a good commant in prashna skills ) revealed the period is best ,which one u will take ??or vice versa ,and what explanation u can offer for ur stand whatver it is ??? Now let us discuss another scenario every living astrologer has assured u the period going on is best in ur life for another 20 yrs and after hearing this prediction u r simply making a treatening call to biggest office of power in country or u r mailing a treatening mail ,what do u think what will happen within 24 hrs ??I know the subjuct i am going to take is one of the trickiest and that is why i did not jump very deep into it .here not only astrological available Horas will b discussed but even dharma sastra and religious blfs and even sceptism etc will surface and i know there is no end for it . but there is one Knowledge ,that is anubhavam guru ( exprnce is the best teacher )rgrds sunil nair Ps--pls forgiv me in anyway my laungage is offending and it is not intentional and due to quick in response i cannot think abt gramatical implications ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > Thanks for responding. No, I am not of opinion that everything is fixed as much as iron pillars. In fact, I believe good things happen in good period only if efforts are also made. Karma is as much important as destiny is. Yes, it may be small efforts giving major gains in that period. I am also the one who has tried his 200% efforts in bad periods but without much of success. I used the word " Major " that means some umbrella events of life. > > Two parts are interlinked when we predict and when we say prevention. But some of the predictions at upper hierarchy level, if can be averted, would result into failure of few of the astrological theories and certain dictums, if they do not happen refelcting the same at umbrella level. > > I would also like to understand how other learned members in the group opine on this.> > regds> Dev> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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