Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?

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Dear Kulbir ji, You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of the trickiest and important points - i.e. - * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)! This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for informative discussion, if someone try to address the question - "WHY Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is available in Prashnamarga itself). Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote:>> Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna  revealed the period is best //> Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications are correct.> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains

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It is impossible, that the results would differ.

 

Show an example, because dear friends, how can destiny differ because of two charts.

 

Mouji Ram

 

 

 

sreesog <sreesog Sent: Thu, March 11, 2010 7:51:45 AM Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?

Dear Kulbir ji, You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of the trickiest and important points - i.e. - * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)! This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for informative discussion, if someone try to address the question - "WHY Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is available in Prashnamarga itself). Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.Love and

regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@. ..> wrote:>> Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna  revealed the period is best //> Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications are correct.> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains

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Mauji ji, Impossible? wah bhi wah, So there is not even remote place for freewill?.Regards

Kulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:Manoj Kumar <mouji99Re: Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why? Date: Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:01 PM

 

 

It is impossible, that the results would differ.

 

Show an example, because dear friends, how can destiny differ because of two charts.

 

Mouji Ram

 

 

 

sreesog <sreesog >ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, March 11, 2010 7:51:45 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?

Dear Kulbir ji, You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of the trickiest and important points - i.e. - * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)! This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for informative discussion, if someone try to address the question - "WHY Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is available in Prashnamarga itself). Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.Love and

regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@. ..> wrote:>> Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna  revealed the period is best //> Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications are correct.> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains

 

 

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Sreenadhji,

 

Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers horary but what is the logic

behind it? What is scientific basis of this? This is my question. Moreover, if

we say there is divine power associated with it, then person has to be equally

spiritual. And how many of such people are there in this world?

 

regds

Dev

 

, " sreesog " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir ji,

> You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of the

> trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given

> importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!

> This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the

> pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and

> numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna

> marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for

> informative discussion, if someone try to address the question - " WHY

> Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is available in Prashnamarga

> itself).

> Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers

> based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Lalkitab Kb

> <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> >

> > Sir, a wild guess;//Â the period is bad according to birthchart

> //prashna  revealed the period is best //

> > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications

> are correct.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Kulbir Bains

>

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Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount importance to the planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with the planetary position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly correct me if i am wrong.Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something divine.Regards

Kulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex wrote:axeplex <axeplex Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why? Date: Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

 

 

Sreenadhji,

 

Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers horary but what is the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this? This is my question. Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated with it, then person has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people are there in this world?

 

regds

Dev

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" <sreesog > wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir ji,

> You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of the

> trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given

> importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!

> This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the

> pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and

> numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna

> marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for

> informative discussion, if someone try to address the question - "WHY

> Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is available in Prashnamarga

> itself).

> Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers

> based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb

> <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> >

> > Sir, a wild guess;//Â the period is bad according to birthchart

> //prashna  revealed the period is best //

> > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications

> are correct.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Kulbir Bains

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sreenadhji,You are right .Sunilji has touched the most trickiest topic.In fact i was thinking of posting it few hours ago as i remembered reading this in Prasna Marga.So i went to reread it againTwo things stopped me from posting it1.The discussion in the book was primarily about what karmas the native faces.According to the book the scenario will be-.A person goes to a prasna for some problem.The astrologer sees both natal horoscope and prasna and tells the native his present state is due to what karmas from which birth(it indirectly hints prasna is to be relied upon when compared to jataka)2.prasna marga is a text which primarily talks about greatness of Prasna.There could be a small

unintentional bias favouring prasna over jataka when somebody writes a text on Prasna(this is just a partial way of looking at the issue from a person favouring jathaka though i dont personally support it) My personal experience(little) so far was Prasna is more helpful than Jataka .I would also like to remind you about the shloka from adesh marga regarding number of children and navamsas(please explain it to me when you get time).Thanks and best wishesvishnu--- On Thu, 3/11/10, sreesog <sreesog wrote:sreesog <sreesog Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?To:

Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 3:51 PM

 

 

 

Dear Kulbir ji, You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of the trickiest and important points - i.e. - * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)! This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for informative discussion, if someone try to address the question - "WHY Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is available in Prashnamarga itself). Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.Love and

regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@. ..> wrote:>> Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna  revealed the period is best //> Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications are correct.> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains

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Dear Kulbir,

 

Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it is KP Horary, natal

chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You may refer to KP scholoars what

they have to say)

 

In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes Asc-Star-Sub and

significators of an event are chosen from this chart. Then Ruling planets are

taken from the normal chart of that time (not native chart). Common planets are

decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa is studied, a period is chosen based

on the shortlisted planets and then within that period, transits are seen to

time the events.

 

But in any case, I would not be the best person to comment on KP and you need to

cross check it.

 

Yes, divine power association for prasna can be understood but " Aj de taim kinne

bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te kinne astrloger ne jeede

astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita) jeende ne)

 

Dev

 

, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb

wrote:

>

> Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount importance to the planetary

positions in the natal chart to coincide with the planetary position when the

prashan chart is erected. Kindly correct me if i am wrong.

> Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something divine.

> Regards

>

> Kulbir Bains

>

> --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex wrote:

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> axeplex <axeplex

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> Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers horary but what is the

logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this? This is my question.

Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated with it, then person has to

be equally spiritual. And how many of such people are there in this world?

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> regds

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> Dev

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> ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " <sreesog@ >

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> > Dear Kulbir ji,

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> > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of the

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> > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

>

> > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given

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> > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!

>

> > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the

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> > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and

>

> > numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna

>

> > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for

>

> > informative discussion, if someone try to address the question - " WHY

>

> > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is available in Prashnamarga

>

> > itself).

>

> > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers

>

> > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.

>

> > Love and regards,

>

> > Sreenadh

>

> >

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> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb

>

> > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

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> > >

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> > > Sir, a wild guess;//Â the period is bad according to birthchart

>

> > //prashna  revealed the period is best //

>

> > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications

>

> > are correct.

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> > > Regards

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Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the spirit, whenever the divine scheme considers that the individual should get some guidance, Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

RegardsKulbir bains.On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Kulbir,

 

Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it is KP Horary, natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You may refer to KP scholoars what they have to say)

 

In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes Asc-Star-Sub and significators of an event are chosen from this chart. Then Ruling planets are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native chart). Common planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa is studied, a period is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then within that period, transits are seen to time the events.

 

But in any case, I would not be the best person to comment on KP and you need to cross check it.

 

Yes, divine power association for prasna can be understood but " Aj de taim kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te kinne astrloger ne jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita) jeende ne)

 

Dev

 

, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount importance to the planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with the planetary position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly correct me if i am wrong.

> Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something divine.

> Regards

>

> Kulbir Bains

>

> --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex wrote:

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> axeplex <axeplex

> Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?

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> Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers horary but what is the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this? This is my question. Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated with it, then person has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people are there in this world?

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> regds

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> Dev

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> ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " <sreesog@ > wrote:

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> > Dear Kulbir ji,

>

> > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of the

>

> > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

>

> > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given

>

> > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!

>

> > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the

>

> > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and

>

> > numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna

>

> > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for

>

> > informative discussion, if someone try to address the question - " WHY

>

> > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is available in Prashnamarga

>

> > itself).

>

> > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers

>

> > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.

>

> > Love and regards,

>

> > Sreenadh

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> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb

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> > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

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> > > Sir, a wild guess;//Â the period is bad according to birthchart

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> > //prashna  revealed the period is best //

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> > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications

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Dear Manoj ji, It is not impossible, but just natural. Because - * Natal chart indicate Prarabdtha (karma from previous births), Prashna indicate the changes happened to it due to actions in this birth. * Natal chart is the indicator of Prag-janmarjita karma; When the events of this birth is not in tune with natal chart indications, Prashna helps to confirm or negate whether it is due to the results of actions (Karma) done in this Janma. * All these are totally in tune with philosophy, destiny-freewill correlation, advice given by prashna marga and normal logic. This is a very important point to remember. Note: Hope that Dev ji also will take note of this message.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:>> It is impossible, that the results would differ.> > Show an example, because dear friends, how can destiny differ because of two charts.> > Mouji Ram> > > > > ________________________________> sreesog sreesog > Thu, March 11, 2010 7:51:45 AM> Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?> >  > Dear Kulbir ji,>   You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of the trickiest and important points - i.e. ->   * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!>   This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for informative discussion, if someone try to address the question - "WHY Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is available in Prashnamarga itself).>   Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@ ..> wrote:> >> > Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna  revealed the period is best //> > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications are correct.> > > > Regards> > > > Kulbir Bains>

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Dear Kulbir,

 

Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of view of native. Good

and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.

 

I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas of Prashna MArg

(especially read last sentence of sloka 18):

 

Stanza 15. — That person, who has mastery of this science, who has a good

knowledge of mathematics who leads a religious life, who is truthful, who is

free from conceit and who is well versed in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he

alone can be called a Daivajnya or seer.

Stanza 16. — All the predictions made by such a person will come true and will

never be false. The learned support this statement.

Stanza 18. — He who has acquired a thorough knowledge of the different Horas,

who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has inferential ability and who is

initiated into a secret mantra by a preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

 

Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough.

 

Dev

 

 

 

 

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb

wrote:

>

> Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the spirit, whenever the

> divine scheme considers that the individual should get some guidance,

> Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.

> Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> Regards

> Kulbir bains.

>

> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Kulbir,

> >

> > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it is KP Horary,

> > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You may refer to KP

> > scholoars what they have to say)

> >

> > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes Asc-Star-Sub and

> > significators of an event are chosen from this chart. Then Ruling planets

> > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native chart). Common

> > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa is studied, a period

> > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then within that period,

> > transits are seen to time the events.

> >

> > But in any case, I would not be the best person to comment on KP and you

> > need to cross check it.

> >

> > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be understood but " Aj de taim

> > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te kinne astrloger ne

> > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita) jeende ne)

> >

> > Dev

> >

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> > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

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> > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount importance to the

> > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with the planetary

> > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly correct me if i am wrong.

> > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something divine.

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

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> > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers horary but what is

> > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this? This is my question.

> > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated with it, then person

> > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people are there in this

> > world?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > regds

> > >

> > > Dev

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " <sreesog@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > >

> > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of the

> > >

> > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > >

> > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given

> > >

> > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!

> > >

> > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the

> > >

> > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and

> > >

> > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna

> > >

> > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for

> > >

> > > > informative discussion, if someone try to address the question - " WHY

> > >

> > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is available in Prashnamarga

> > >

> > > > itself).

> > >

> > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers

> > >

> > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.

> > >

> > > > Love and regards,

> > >

> > > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb

> > >

> > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//Â the period is bad according to birthchart

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

After having scrunitised, Shat panchashika, prashna marga, prashna martanda, bhuvan deepak and other similar books on prashna, I could not fathom, why our sages gave us this tool.

 

Horoscope is your prarabdh, and hence, nothing in your life, can be out of tune with it. Be sure about it. But random, practical problems occurring in life, can well be handled by Prashna, which if you study, properly, is nothing but Shakun (Omen) shastra.

 

Hope I am not stirring any hornet's nest.

 

best wishes,

 

Mouji Ram

 

 

 

sreesog <sreesog Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 7:34:16 PM Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?

Dear Manoj ji, It is not impossible, but just natural. Because - * Natal chart indicate Prarabdtha (karma from previous births), Prashna indicate the changes happened to it due to actions in this birth. * Natal chart is the indicator of Prag-janmarjita karma; When the events of this birth is not in tune with natal chart indications, Prashna helps to confirm or negate whether it is due to the results of actions (Karma) done in this Janma. * All these are totally in tune with philosophy, destiny-freewill correlation, advice given by prashna marga and normal logic. This is a very important point to remember. Note: Hope that Dev ji also will take note of this message.Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:>> It is impossible, that the

results would differ.> > Show an example, because dear friends, how can destiny differ because of two charts.> > Mouji Ram> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sreesog sreesog ancient_indian_ astrology> Thu, March 11, 2010 7:51:45 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?> > Â > Dear Kulbir ji,> Â Â You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of the trickiest and important points - i.e. -> Â Â * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!> Â Â This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands -

and numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for informative discussion, if someone try to address the question - "WHY Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is available in Prashnamarga itself).>   Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@ ..> wrote:> >> > Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna  revealed the period is best //> > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications are correct.> > > > Regards> > > > Kulbir

Bains>

[Guest guest]

Sure Sreenadhji, Thanks for this, Anything from you is welcome. Though there may

be sometimes arguments that I can not avoid.

 

Dev

 

, " sreesog " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Manoj ji,

> It is not impossible, but just natural. Because -

> * Natal chart indicate Prarabdtha (karma from previous births),

> Prashna indicate the changes happened to it due to actions in this

> birth.

> * Natal chart is the indicator of Prag-janmarjita karma; When the

> events of this birth is not in tune with natal chart indications,

> Prashna helps to confirm or negate whether it is due to the results of

> actions (Karma) done in this Janma.

> * All these are totally in tune with philosophy, destiny-freewill

> correlation, advice given by prashna marga and normal logic.

> This is a very important point to remember.

> Note: Hope that Dev ji also will take note of this message.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

>

> , Manoj Kumar

> <mouji99@> wrote:

> >

> > It is impossible, that the results would differ.

> >

> > Show an example, because dear friends, how can destiny differ because

> of two charts.

> >

> > Mouji Ram

> >

> >

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> >

> > ________________________________

> > sreesog sreesog@

> >

> > Thu, March 11, 2010 7:51:45 AM

> > Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority

> to which, when and why?

> >

> > Â

> > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > Â Â You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is

> one of the trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > Â Â * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA

> should be given importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e.

> Jataka)!

> > Â Â This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one

> of the pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands -

> and numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna

> marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope

> for informative discussion, if someone try to address the question -

> " WHY Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is available in

> Prashnamarga itself).

> > Â Â Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate

> pointers based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb

> lalkitabkb@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad according to

> birthchart //prashna  revealed the period is best //

> > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana ÂÂ

> indications are correct.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Kulbir Bains

> >

>

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Dear Vishnu Mohan ji, Yes, you are right. :)//I would also like to remind you about the shloka from adesh marga regarding number of children and navamsas(please explain it to me when you get time).// Yes, that is there in my mind. But currently I am messed-up due to a relocation from Delhi to Gurgaon. Everything in my house is scattered here and there, and cable, net, gas, books - tasks related to everything pending. It is just this week that I shifted, due to a change of job to Gurgaon. Let me settle down, get my net connection etc back at home, and then I will be able to spend more time for the group. Proof reading task for one of my books pending for publication with Sagar is pending for the last 3 months! I am unable to find time for the same. It seems that I should undergo some time-management training! :=) Don't worry, I will be back on track soon and will certainly answer that question. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > You are right .Sunilji has touched the most trickiest topic.> In fact i was thinking of posting it few hours ago as i remembered reading this in Prasna Marga.So i went to reread it again> Two things stopped me from posting it> 1.The discussion in the book was primarily about what karmas the native faces.According to the book the scenario will be-.A person goes to a prasna for some problem.The astrologer sees both natal horoscope and prasna and tells the native his present state is due to what karmas from which birth> (it indirectly hints prasna is to be relied upon when compared to jataka)> > 2.prasna marga is a text which primarily talks about greatness of Prasna.There could be a small unintentional  bias favouring prasna over jataka when somebody writes a text on Prasna(this is just a partial way of looking at the issue from a person favouring jathaka though i dont personally support it) >  My personal experience(little) so far was Prasna is more helpful than Jataka .> I would also like to remind you about the shloka from adesh marga regarding number of children and navamsas(please explain it to me when you get time).> > > Thanks and best wishes> vishnu> > > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, sreesog sreesog wrote:> > sreesog sreesog Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?> > Thursday, March 11, 2010, 3:51 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,>   You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of the trickiest and important points - i.e. ->   * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!>   This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for informative discussion, if someone try to address the question - "WHY Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is available in Prashnamarga itself).>   Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@ ..> wrote:> >> > Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna  revealed the period is best //> > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications are correct.> > > > Regards> > > > Kulbir Bains>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such capabilities waste his time

in analyzing horoscopes for others.

Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue his spiritual progress

full throttle.

For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of being a Tirthankar.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:

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> Dear Kulbir,

>

> Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of view of native.

Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.

>

> I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas of Prashna MArg

(especially read last sentence of sloka 18):

>

> Stanza 15. — That person, who has mastery of this science, who has a good

knowledge of mathematics who leads a religious life, who is truthful, who is

free from conceit and who is well versed in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he

alone can be called a Daivajnya or seer.

> Stanza 16. — All the predictions made by such a person will come true and will

never be false. The learned support this statement.

> Stanza 18. — He who has acquired a thorough knowledge of the different Horas,

who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has inferential ability and who is

initiated into a secret mantra by a preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

>

> Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough.

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> Dev

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> , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

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> > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the spirit, whenever the

> > divine scheme considers that the individual should get some guidance,

> > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > Regards

> > Kulbir bains.

> >

> > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> >

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> > > Dear Kulbir,

> > >

> > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it is KP Horary,

> > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You may refer to KP

> > > scholoars what they have to say)

> > >

> > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > significators of an event are chosen from this chart. Then Ruling planets

> > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native chart). Common

> > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa is studied, a

period

> > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then within that period,

> > > transits are seen to time the events.

> > >

> > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to comment on KP and you

> > > need to cross check it.

> > >

> > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be understood but " Aj de taim

> > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te kinne astrloger ne

> > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita) jeende ne)

> > >

> > > Dev

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> > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

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> > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount importance to the

> > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with the planetary

> > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly correct me if i am

wrong.

> > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something divine.

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to

> > > which, when and why?

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> > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers horary but what is

> > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this? This is my

question.

> > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated with it, then person

> > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people are there in this

> > > world?

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> > > > regds

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> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " <sreesog@>

wrote:

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> > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > >

> > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of the

> > > >

> > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > >

> > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given

> > > >

> > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!

> > > >

> > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the

> > > >

> > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and

> > > >

> > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna

> > > >

> > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for

> > > >

> > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to address the question - " WHY

> > > >

> > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is available in Prashnamarga

> > > >

> > > > > itself).

> > > >

> > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers

> > > >

> > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.

> > > >

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb

> > > >

> > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//Â the period is bad according to birthchart

> > > >

> > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is best //

> > > >

> > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications

> > > >

> > > > > are correct.

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Dear SreenadhjiThanks for the reply.I shall wait for the shloka intrepretation for sure.Please do let me know about the title of the book when it is underway for publishing.glad to know that you have written a bookThanks and best wishesvishnu--- On Fri, 3/12/10, sreesog <sreesog wrote:sreesog <sreesog Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why? Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 3:03 PM

 

 

 

Dear Vishnu Mohan ji, Yes, you are right. :)//I would also like to remind you about the shloka from adesh marga regarding number of children and navamsas(please explain it to me when you get time).// Yes, that is there in my mind. But currently I am messed-up due to a relocation from Delhi to Gurgaon. Everything in my house is scattered here and there, and cable, net, gas, books - tasks related to everything pending. It is just this week that I shifted, due to a change of job to Gurgaon. Let me settle down, get my net connection etc back at home, and then I will be able to spend more time for the group. Proof reading task for one of my books pending for publication with Sagar is pending for the last 3 months! I am unable to find time for the same. It seems that I should undergo some time-management training! :=) Don't worry, I will be back on track soon and will certainly answer that question. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh ancient_indian_ astrology, Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear

Sreenadhji,> > You are right .Sunilji has touched the most trickiest topic.> In fact i was thinking of posting it few hours ago as i remembered reading this in Prasna Marga.So i went to reread it again> Two things stopped me from posting it> 1.The discussion in the book was primarily about what karmas the native faces.According to the book the scenario will be-.A person goes to a prasna for some problem.The astrologer sees both natal horoscope and prasna and tells the native his present state is due to what karmas from which birth> (it indirectly hints prasna is to be relied upon when compared to jataka)> > 2.prasna marga is a text which primarily talks about greatness of Prasna.There could be a small unintentional  bias favouring prasna over jataka when somebody writes a text on Prasna(this is just a partial way of looking at the issue from a person favouring jathaka though i dont

personally support it)Â > Â My personal experience(little) so far was Prasna is more helpful than Jataka .> I would also like to remind you about the shloka from adesh marga regarding number of children and navamsas(please explain it to me when you get time).> > > Thanks and best wishes> vishnu> > > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, sreesog sreesog wrote:> > sreesog sreesog [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, March 11, 2010, 3:51 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > Dear

Kulbir ji,>   You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of the trickiest and important points - i.e. ->   * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!>   This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for informative discussion, if someone try to address the question - "WHY Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is available in Prashnamarga itself).>   Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@ ..> wrote:> >> > Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad according to birthchart //prashna  revealed the period is best //> > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications are correct.> > > > Regards> > > > Kulbir Bains>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vishnuji,

 

I am not sure this is from Adesh marg or not and if it is what you are looking

for but one input is:

 

Maximum number of chldren are indicated by the numbers of Navamsa gained by 5th

lord sign of rasi.

 

regds

Dev

 

, Vishnu Mohan

<vishnumohanalj wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji

> Thanks for the reply.I shall wait for the shloka intrepretation for

sure.Please do let me know about the title of the book when it is underway for

publishing.glad to know that you have written a book

>

> Thanks and best wishes

> vishnu

>

>

> --- On Fri, 3/12/10, sreesog <sreesog wrote:

>

> sreesog <sreesog

> Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to

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Dear Vishnu Mohan ji,

>    Yes, you are right.

> //I would also like to remind you about the shloka from adesh marga

> regarding number of children and navamsas(please explain it to me when

> you get time).//

>    Yes, that is there in my mind.  But currently I am messed-up due to a

relocation from Delhi to Gurgaon. Everything in my house is scattered here and

there,  and cable, net, gas, books - tasks related to everything pending. It

is just this week that I shifted, due to a change of job to Gurgaon. Let me

settle down, get my net connection etc back at home, and then I will be able to

spend more time for the group.

>    Proof reading task for one of my books pending for publication with Sagar

is pending for the last 3 months! I am unable to find time for the same. It

seems that I should undergo some time-management training! :=)

>   Don't worry, I will be back on track soon and will certainly answer that

question.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Vishnu Mohan

<vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> > You are right .Sunilji has touched the most trickiest topic.

> > In fact i was thinking of posting it few hours ago as i remembered reading

this in Prasna Marga.So i went to reread it again

> > Two things stopped me from posting it

> > 1.The discussion in the book was primarily about what karmas the native

faces.According to the book the scenario will be-.A person goes to a prasna for

some problem.The astrologer sees both natal horoscope and prasna and tells the

native his present state is due to what karmas from which birth

> > (it indirectly hints prasna is to be relied upon when compared to jataka)

> >

> > 2.prasna marga is a text which primarily talks about greatness of

Prasna.There could be a small unintentional  bias favouring prasna over

jataka when somebody writes a text on Prasna(this is just a partial way of

looking at the issue from a person favouring jathaka though i dont personally

support it) 

> >  My personal experience(little) so far was Prasna is more helpful than

Jataka .

> > I would also like to remind you about the shloka from adesh marga regarding

number of children and navamsas(please explain it to me when you get time).

> >

> >

> > Thanks and best wishes

> > vishnu

> >

> >

> > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, sreesog sreesog@ wrote:

> >

> > sreesog sreesog@

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to

which, when and why?

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Thursday, March 11, 2010, 3:51 PM

> >

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> >    You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of

the trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> >    * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be

given importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!

> >    This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the

pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and numerous

scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna marga. Sunil ji is

pointing to that.  And there is very good scope for informative discussion,

if someone try to address the question - " WHY Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the

answer is available in Prashnamarga itself).

> >    Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers

based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb lalkitabkb@

...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad according to birthchart

//prashna  revealed the period is best //

> > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications

are correct.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Kulbir Bains

> >

>

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Dear Kulbir,

 

I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in Prashna Marg. And I

just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts or ways:

 

1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and accept what is written

in a book. And in this case, one can not come back with reference to the book

e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that horoary astrology needs to be kept above

natal chart.

2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.

 

Both types of people exist and are requird to run this society.

Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the same from you.

 

regds

Dev

 

, " Lalkitab " <lalkitabkb

wrote:

>

> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such capabilities waste his

time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue his spiritual

progress full throttle.

> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of being a Tirthankar.

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbir,

> >

> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of view of native.

Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.

> >

> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas of Prashna MArg

(especially read last sentence of sloka 18):

> >

> > Stanza 15. — That person, who has mastery of this science, who has a good

knowledge of mathematics who leads a religious life, who is truthful, who is

free from conceit and who is well versed in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he

alone can be called a Daivajnya or seer.

> > Stanza 16. — All the predictions made by such a person will come true and

will never be false. The learned support this statement.

> > Stanza 18. — He who has acquired a thorough knowledge of the different

Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has inferential ability and

who is initiated into a secret mantra by a preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> >

> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough.

> >

> > Dev

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the spirit, whenever the

> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get some guidance,

> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir bains.

> > >

> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it is KP Horary,

> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You may refer to KP

> > > > scholoars what they have to say)

> > > >

> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this chart. Then Ruling

planets

> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native chart). Common

> > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa is studied, a

period

> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then within that period,

> > > > transits are seen to time the events.

> > > >

> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to comment on KP and you

> > > > need to cross check it.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be understood but " Aj de

taim

> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te kinne astrloger

ne

> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita) jeende ne)

> > > >

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount importance to the

> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with the planetary

> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly correct me if i am

wrong.

> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something divine.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority

to

> > > > which, when and why?

> > > > > To:

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> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

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> > > > > Sreenadhji,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers horary but what is

> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this? This is my

question.

> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated with it, then

person

> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people are there in

this

> > > > world?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > regds

> > > > >

> > > > > Dev

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

<sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of

the

> > > > >

> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > >

> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be

given

> > > > >

> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!

> > > > >

> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the

> > > > >

> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and

> > > > >

> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna

> > > > >

> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope

for

> > > > >

> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to address the question -

" WHY

> > > > >

> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is available in

Prashnamarga

> > > > >

> > > > > > itself).

> > > > >

> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers

> > > > >

> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > >

> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//Â the period is bad according to birthchart

> > > > >

> > > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is best //

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications

> > > > >

> > > > > > are correct.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

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Respected Dev ji,

I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart today. Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit that the natal char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for the particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life of the native.

Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in some sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When my servant will come back? etc.

Regards --- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex <axeplex wrote:

axeplex <axeplex Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why? Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

Dear Kulbir,I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in Prashna Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts or ways:1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and accept what is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back with reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that horoary astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says. Both types of people exist and are requird to run this society.Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the same from you.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, "Lalkitab" <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Dev, Be

Practical, Why would a person with such capabilities waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.> Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue his spiritual progress full throttle.> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of being a Tirthankar.> Regards> Kulbir Bains.> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@> wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir,> > > > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of view of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.> > > > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas of Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka

18):> > > > Stanza 15. — That person, who has mastery of this science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a religious life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well versed in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a Daivajnya or seer.> > Stanza 16. — All the predictions made by such a person will come true and will never be false. The learned support this statement.> > Stanza 18. — He who has acquired a thorough knowledge of the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret mantra by a preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.> > > > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough. > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the spirit, whenever the> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get some guidance,> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.> > > Regards> > > Kulbir bains.> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > >> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But

when it is KP Horary,> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You may refer to KP> > > > scholoars what they have to say)> > > >> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes Asc-Star-Sub and> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this chart. Then Ruling planets> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native chart). Common> > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa is studied, a period> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then within that period,> > > > transits are seen to time the events.> > > >> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to comment on KP and you> > > > need to cross check it.> > > >> > > > Yes, divine power

association for prasna can be understood but "Aj de taim> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te kinne astrloger ne> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita) jeende ne)> > > >> > > > Dev> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount importance to the> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with the planetary> > > > position when the prashan chart

is erected. Kindly correct me if i am wrong.> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something divine.> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > >> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to> > > > which, when and why?> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18

PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Sreenadhji,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers horary but what is>

> > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this? This is my question.> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated with it, then person> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people are there in this> > > > world?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > >> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > >> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of

the> > > > >> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -> > > > >> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given> > > > >> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!> > > > >> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the> > > > >> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and> > > > >> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna> > > > >> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for> > > > >> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone

try to address the question - "WHY> > > > >> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is available in Prashnamarga> > > > >> > > > > > itself).> > > > >> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers> > > > >> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.> > > > >> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > >> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb> > > > >> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad according to birthchart> > > > >> > > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is best //> > > > >> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications> > > > >> > > > > > are correct.> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>

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Sir Kursija ji,Your comments are of an experienced person.Here i would like to add that;I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public forum is a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on the topic depends upon the conclusion.

So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic remains open for deliberations as such, members are free to stop their observations but dictates to end discussions without conclusion doesn't seem worthwhile of a sensible group.

RegardsKulbir Bains.   On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Dev ji,

I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart today. Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit that the natal char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for the particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life of the native.

Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in some sphere such as who will win?  When I receive the guest? When my servant will come back? etc.

Regards --- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex <axeplex wrote:

axeplex <axeplex Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?

Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

 

Dear Kulbir,I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in Prashna Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts or ways:1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and accept what is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back with reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that horoary astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.

2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says. Both types of people exist and are requird to run this society.Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the same from you.regdsDev

ancient_indian_ astrology, " Lalkitab " <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Dev, Be

Practical, Why would a person with such capabilities waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.> Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue his spiritual progress full throttle.> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of being a Tirthankar.

> Regards> Kulbir Bains.> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> >> > Dear Kulbir,> > > > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of view of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.> > > > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas of Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka

18):> > > > Stanza 15. — That person, who has mastery of this science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a religious life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well versed in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a Daivajnya or seer.

> > Stanza 16. — All the predictions made by such a person will come true and will never be false. The learned support this statement.> > Stanza 18. — He who has acquired a thorough knowledge of the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret mantra by a preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough. > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > >> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the spirit, whenever the> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get some guidance,> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.> > > Regards> > > Kulbir bains.> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > >> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But

when it is KP Horary,> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You may refer to KP> > > > scholoars what they have to say)> > > >> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this chart. Then Ruling planets> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native chart). Common> > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa is studied, a period

> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then within that period,> > > > transits are seen to time the events.> > > >> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to comment on KP and you

> > > > need to cross check it.> > > >> > > > Yes, divine power

association for prasna can be understood but " Aj de taim> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te kinne astrloger ne> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita) jeende ne)

> > > >> > > > Dev> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount importance to the> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with the planetary

> > > > position when the prashan chart

is erected. Kindly correct me if i am wrong.> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something divine.> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to

> > > > which, when and why?> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18

PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

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>

> > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this? This is my question.> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated with it, then person> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people are there in this

> > > > world?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > >> > > > > Dev> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > >> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of

the> > > > >> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -> > > > >> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given

> > > > >> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!> > > > >> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the

> > > > >> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and> > > > >> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna

> > > > >> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for> > > > >> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone

try to address the question - " WHY> > > > >> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is available in Prashnamarga> > > > >> > > > > > itself).

> > > > >> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers> > > > >> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.

> > > > >> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > >> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb> > > > >> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad according to birthchart> > > > >> > > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is best //

> > > > >> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications> > > > >> > > > > > are correct.> > > > >

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Dear Kursija ji,

 

I agree with you.

 

regds

Dev

 

, " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija

wrote:

>

> Respected Dev ji,

> I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart today. Though the

discusion has been over still I like to submit that the natal char is for the

whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for the particular question only.

It can not discuss the whole life of the native.

> Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in some sphere such as

who will win?  When I receive the guest? When my servant will come back? etc.

> Regards 

>

> --- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex <axeplex wrote:

>

>

> axeplex <axeplex

> Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to

which, when and why?

>

> Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Kulbir,

>

> I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in Prashna Marg. And

I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts or ways:

>

> 1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and accept what is

written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back with reference to the

book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that horoary astrology needs to be kept

above natal chart.

> 2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.

>

> Both types of people exist and are requird to run this society.

> Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the same from you.

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Lalkitab " <lalkitabkb@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such capabilities waste his

time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue his spiritual

progress full throttle.

> > For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of being a Tirthankar.

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir,

> > >

> > > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of view of

native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.

> > >

> > > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas of Prashna

MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):

> > >

> > > Stanza 15. †" That person, who has mastery of this science, who has a

good knowledge of mathematics who leads a religious life, who is truthful, who

is free from conceit and who is well versed in the Vedas, mantras and tantras,

he alone can be called a Daivajnya or seer.

> > > Stanza 16. †" All the predictions made by such a person will come true

and will never be false. The learned support this statement.

> > > Stanza 18. †" He who has acquired a thorough knowledge of the different

Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has inferential ability and

who is initiated into a secret mantra by a preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > >

> > > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough.

> > >

> > > Dev

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Kulbir Bains

<lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the spirit, whenever

the

> > > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get some guidance,

> > > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir bains.

> > > >

> > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it is KP Horary,

> > > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You may refer to

KP

> > > > > scholoars what they have to say)

> > > > >

> > > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > > significators of an event are chosen from this chart. Then Ruling

planets

> > > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native chart).

Common

> > > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa is studied, a

period

> > > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then within that

period,

> > > > > transits are seen to time the events.

> > > > >

> > > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to comment on KP and

you

> > > > > need to cross check it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be understood but " Aj de

taim

> > > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te kinne astrloger

ne

> > > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita) jeende ne)

> > > > >

> > > > > Dev

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_

astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount importance to the

> > > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with the planetary

> > > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly correct me if i am

wrong.

> > > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something divine.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna -

Priority to

> > > > > which, when and why?

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_

astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sreenadhji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers horary but what

is

> > > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this? This is my

question.

> > > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated with it, then

person

> > > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people are there in

this

> > > > > world?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regds

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dev

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

<sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of

the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be

given

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope

for

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to address the question -

" WHY

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is available in

Prashnamarga

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > itself).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate

pointers

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//Â the period is bad according to

birthchart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is best //

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana Â

indications

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > are correct.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Kulbir ji,

 

Leave personal grudges aside, if there is any. This is also rule of public

forum. Neither this topic or discussion was started by me nor I asked anyone not

to discuss. I wanted to stop our one to one discussion (between you and me) that

was leading nowhere.

 

This topic was started by someone else when we were discussing how umbrella

level events can be averted and after inputs from all the members, what

Kursijaji has presented looks more practical where horary does not hint to

anything extra over natal chart when umbrella level major events are concerned

for the native but can hint only for a particular question.

 

regds

Dev

 

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb

wrote:

>

> Sir Kursija ji,

> Your comments are of an experienced person.

> Here i would like to add that;

> I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public forum is

> a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on the topic depends

> upon the conclusion.

> So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic remains open

> for deliberations as such, members are free to stop their observations but

> dictates to end discussions without conclusion doesn't seem worthwhile of a

> sensible group.

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Respected Dev ji,

> > I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart today. Though

> > the discusion has been over still I like to submit that the natal char is

> > for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for the particular

> > question only. It can not discuss the whole life of the native.

> > Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in some sphere such

> > as who will win? When I receive the guest? When my servant will come back?

> > etc.

> > Regards

> >

> > --- On *Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex <axeplex* wrote:

> >

> >

> > axeplex <axeplex

> >

> > Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to

> > which, when and why?

> >

> > Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Kulbir,

> >

> > I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in Prashna Marg.

> > And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts or ways:

> >

> > 1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and accept what is

> > written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back with reference to

> > the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that horoary astrology needs to

> > be kept above natal chart.

> > 2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.

> >

> > Both types of people exist and are requird to run this society.

> > Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the same from you.

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<http://us.mc1120.mail./mc/compose?to=%40yah\

oogroups.com>,

> > " Lalkitab " <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such capabilities waste

> > his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > > Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue his spiritual

> > progress full throttle.

> > > For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of being a

> > Tirthankar.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<http://us.mc1120.mail./mc/compose?to=%40yah\

oogroups.com>,

> > " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > >

> > > > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of view of

> > native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.

> > > >

> > > > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas of Prashna

> > MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):

> > > >

> > > > Stanza 15. — That person, who has mastery of this science, who has a

> > good knowledge of mathematics who leads a religious life, who is truthful,

> > who is free from conceit and who is well versed in the Vedas, mantras and

> > tantras, he alone can be called a Daivajnya or seer.

> > > > Stanza 16. — All the predictions made by such a person will come true

> > and will never be false. The learned support this statement.

> > > > Stanza 18. — He who has acquired a thorough knowledge of the different

> > Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has inferential ability

> > and who is initiated into a secret mantra by a preceptor, can alone know

> > horoscopy.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough.

> > > >

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<http://us.mc1120.mail./mc/compose?to=%40yah\

oogroups.com>,

> > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the spirit, whenever

> > the

> > > > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get some guidance,

> > > > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > > > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir bains.

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it is KP

> > Horary,

> > > > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You may refer

> > to KP

> > > > > > scholoars what they have to say)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes Asc-Star-Sub

> > and

> > > > > > significators of an event are chosen from this chart. Then Ruling

> > planets

> > > > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native chart).

> > Common

> > > > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa is studied,

> > a period

> > > > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then within that

> > period,

> > > > > > transits are seen to time the events.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to comment on KP

> > and you

> > > > > > need to cross check it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be understood but " Aj

> > de taim

> > > > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te kinne

> > astrloger ne

> > > > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita) jeende ne)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dev

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<http://us.mc1120.mail./mc/compose?to=%40yah\

oogroups.com><ancient_indian_

> > astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount importance to the

> > > > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with the

> > planetary

> > > > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly correct me if i

> > am wrong.

> > > > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something divine.

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna -

> > Priority to

> > > > > > which, when and why?

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<http://us.mc1120.mail./mc/compose?to=%40yah\

oogroups.com><ancient_indian_

> > astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > Sreenadhji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers horary but

> > what is

> > > > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this? This is my

> > question.

> > > > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated with it, then

> > person

> > > > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people are there

> > in this

> > > > > > world?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regds

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dev

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one

> > of the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be

> > given

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of

> > the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands -

> > and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by

> > Prashna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good

> > scope for

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to address the question

> > - " WHY

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is available in

> > Prashnamarga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > itself).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate

> > pointers

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab

> > Kb

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//Â the period is bad according to

> > birthchart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is best //

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana Â

> > indications

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > are correct.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Dev, What is the problem with you.When a post begins with by someone's name being displayed in it; on a public forum. It implies that observations of that member are invited in particular and all group members in general. 

One to one discussion is confined to correspondence on individual mail ids.What personal grudge can I have with somebody; who has no identity?Don't consider yourself that important, fake ids can never deserve importance.

Bhaskar ji, Nair ji etc were participating in the thread, They were being addressed to also.It was mistake on my part to quote your name.Sorry for that; Shall not repeat such stupidity in future.

RegardsKulbir Bains.On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 9:16 PM, axeplex <axeplex wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Kulbir ji,

 

Leave personal grudges aside, if there is any. This is also rule of public forum. Neither this topic or discussion was started by me nor I asked anyone not to discuss. I wanted to stop our one to one discussion (between you and me) that was leading nowhere.

 

This topic was started by someone else when we were discussing how umbrella level events can be averted and after inputs from all the members, what Kursijaji has presented looks more practical where horary does not hint to anything extra over natal chart when umbrella level major events are concerned for the native but can hint only for a particular question.

 

regds

Dev

 

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Sir Kursija ji,

> Your comments are of an experienced person.

> Here i would like to add that;

> I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public forum is

> a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on the topic depends

> upon the conclusion.

> So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic remains open

> for deliberations as such, members are free to stop their observations but

> dictates to end discussions without conclusion doesn't seem worthwhile of a

> sensible group.

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Respected Dev ji,

> > I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart today. Though

> > the discusion has been over still I like to submit that the natal char is

> > for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for the particular

> > question only. It can not discuss the whole life of the native.

> > Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in some sphere such

> > as who will win? When I receive the guest? When my servant will come back?

> > etc.

> > Regards

> >

> > --- On *Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex <axeplex* wrote:

> >

> >

> > axeplex <axeplex

> >

> > Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to

> > which, when and why?

> >

> > Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Kulbir,

> >

> > I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in Prashna Marg.

> > And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts or ways:

> >

> > 1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and accept what is

> > written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back with reference to

> > the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that horoary astrology needs to

> > be kept above natal chart.

> > 2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.

> >

> > Both types of people exist and are requird to run this society.

> > Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the same from you.

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://us.mc1120.mail./mc/compose?to=%40>,

 

> > " Lalkitab " <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such capabilities waste

> > his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > > Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue his spiritual

> > progress full throttle.

> > > For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of being a

> > Tirthankar.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://us.mc1120.mail./mc/compose?to=%40>,

 

> > " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > >

> > > > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of view of

> > native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.

> > > >

> > > > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas of Prashna

> > MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):

> > > >

> > > > Stanza 15. — That person, who has mastery of this science, who has a

> > good knowledge of mathematics who leads a religious life, who is truthful,

> > who is free from conceit and who is well versed in the Vedas, mantras and

> > tantras, he alone can be called a Daivajnya or seer.

> > > > Stanza 16. — All the predictions made by such a person will come true

> > and will never be false. The learned support this statement.

> > > > Stanza 18. — He who has acquired a thorough knowledge of the different

> > Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has inferential ability

> > and who is initiated into a secret mantra by a preceptor, can alone know

> > horoscopy.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough.

> > > >

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://us.mc1120.mail./mc/compose?to=%40>,

 

> > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the spirit, whenever

> > the

> > > > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get some guidance,

> > > > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > > > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir bains.

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it is KP

> > Horary,

> > > > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You may refer

> > to KP

> > > > > > scholoars what they have to say)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes Asc-Star-Sub

> > and

> > > > > > significators of an event are chosen from this chart. Then Ruling

> > planets

> > > > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native chart).

> > Common

> > > > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa is studied,

> > a period

> > > > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then within that

> > period,

> > > > > > transits are seen to time the events.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to comment on KP

> > and you

> > > > > > need to cross check it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be understood but " Aj

> > de taim

> > > > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te kinne

> > astrloger ne

> > > > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita) jeende ne)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dev

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://us.mc1120.mail./mc/compose?to=%40><ancient_indian_

 

> > astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount importance to the

> > > > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with the

> > planetary

> > > > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly correct me if i

> > am wrong.

> > > > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something divine.

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna -

> > Priority to

> > > > > > which, when and why?

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://us.mc1120.mail./mc/compose?to=%40><ancient_indian_

 

> > astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > Sreenadhji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers horary but

> > what is

> > > > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this? This is my

> > question.

> > > > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated with it, then

> > person

> > > > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people are there

> > in this

> > > > > > world?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regds

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dev

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one

> > of the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be

> > given

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of

> > the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands -

> > and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by

> > Prashna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good

> > scope for

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to address the question

> > - " WHY

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is available in

> > Prashnamarga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > itself).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate

> > pointers

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab

> > Kb

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//Â the period is bad according to

> > birthchart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is best //

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana Â

> > indications

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > are correct.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

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[Guest guest]

Sirs,

 

Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology) is primarily enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events in one's life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or action, momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of Natal's reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the 'results' deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school of astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before Standard Time was introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in giving the correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a few give the time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head or part of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is removed from that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time given by a mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her mother that she was born when the milk man came to

deliver milk in the morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on the correct time 'given' to him.

 

2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to 'second' becomes important to study the birth chart of both children, as few minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda' - together with connected limbs. At same time, the position of Planets in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will note 'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as 'at face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread' their individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a perticular event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer to 'cast' result of a given event. This method will 'shorten' to arrive at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time consuming analysis under Dasha system.

 

3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the moment of the judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth charts, and predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are simple and could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and years of practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help to find an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to correct date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen accepted Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive at possible date of marriage or of a child birth or success in an Election and more practical and immediate events for which instant results are required.

 

The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great Astrologer Guru Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many Astrologers near to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event questions' with accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and practice with success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of Astrology. However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct 'Predictive Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of hues, while Horaray astrology reduce such space.

 

A.V.Pathi,

Astrologer,

 

 

 

 

 

Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PMRe: Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?

Sir Kursija ji, Your comments are of an experienced person.

Here i would like to add that;

I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public forum is a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on the topic depends upon the conclusion.

So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic remains open for deliberations as such, members are free to stop their observations but dictates to end discussions without conclusion doesn't seem worthwhile of a sensible group.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija <sckursija > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Dev ji,

I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart today. Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit that the natal char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for the particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life of the native.

Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in some sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When my servant will come back? etc.

Regards --- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex <axeplex > wrote:

axeplex <axeplex > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?ancient_indian_ astrologySaturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

 

 

Dear Kulbir,I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in Prashna Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts or ways:1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and accept what is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back with reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that horoary astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says. Both types of people exist and are requird to run this society.Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the same from you.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, "Lalkitab" <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such capabilities waste his

time in analyzing horoscopes for others.> Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue his spiritual progress full throttle.> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of being a Tirthankar.> Regards> Kulbir Bains.> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@> wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir,> > > > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of view of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.> > > > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas of Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):> > > > Stanza 15. — That person, who has mastery of this science, who has a good knowledge of

mathematics who leads a religious life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well versed in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a Daivajnya or seer.> > Stanza 16. — All the predictions made by such a person will come true and will never be false. The learned support this statement.> > Stanza 18. — He who has acquired a thorough knowledge of the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret mantra by a preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.> > > > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough. > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Kulbir Bains

<lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the spirit, whenever the> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get some guidance,> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.> > > Regards> > > Kulbir bains.> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > >> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it is KP Horary,> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You may refer to KP> > > > scholoars what they have to say)> > > >> > > > In KP horary, a number is

chosen by native that fixes Asc-Star-Sub and> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this chart. Then Ruling planets> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native chart). Common> > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa is studied, a period> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then within that period,> > > > transits are seen to time the events.> > > >> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to comment on KP and you> > > > need to cross check it.> > > >> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be understood but "Aj de taim> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te kinne astrloger ne> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita) jeende

ne)> > > >> > > > Dev> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount importance to the> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with the planetary> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly correct me if i am wrong.> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something divine.> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > >> > > > > ---

On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to> > > > which, when and why?> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Sreenadhji,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers horary but what is> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this? This is my question.> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated with it, then person> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people are there in this> > > > world?> > > > >> > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > >> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > >> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of the> > > > >> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -> > > > >> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given> > > > >> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!> >

> > >> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the> > > > >> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and> > > > >> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna> > > > >> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for> > > > >> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to address the question - "WHY> > > > >> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is available in Prashnamarga> > > > >> > > > > > itself).> > > > >> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate

pointers> > > > >> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.> > > > >> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > >> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb> > > > >> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad according to birthchart> > > > >> > > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is best //> > > > >> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so

both natal and prashana  indications> > > > >> > > > > > are correct.> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >

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[Guest guest]

One who does not know anything about the art of hair cutting should restrict himself to getting his hair cut and commenting on same. But he should not enter a gathering of Hair Stylists and offer advice to them or try to teach them the nuances of hair cutting.

This is a gentry of Astrologers. Do not try to teach them the difference between a Natal Chart and a Horary Chart. They know it.

 

discussion (between you and me) that was leading nowhere.> > This topic was started by someone else when we were discussing how umbrella level events can be averted and after inputs from all the members, what Kursijaji has presented looks more practical where horary does not hint to anything extra over natal chart when umbrella level major events are concerned for the native but can hint only for a particular question.> > regds> Dev> > , Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:> >> > Sir Kursija ji,> > Your comments are of an experienced person.> > Here i would like to add that;> > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public forum is> > a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on the topic depends> > upon the conclusion.> > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic remains open> > for deliberations as such, members are free to stop their observations but> > dictates to end discussions without conclusion doesn't seem worthwhile of a> > sensible group.> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains.> > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija@ wrote:> > > > >> > >> > > Respected Dev ji,> > > I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart today. Though> > > the discusion has been over still I like to submit that the natal char is> > > for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for the particular> > > question only. It can not discuss the whole life of the native.> > > Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in some sphere such> > > as who will win? When I receive the guest? When my servant will come back?> > > etc.> > > Regards> > >> > > --- On *Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex@* wrote:> > >> > >> > > axeplex axeplex@> > >> > > Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to> > > which, when and why?> > > > > > Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Kulbir,> > >> > > I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in Prashna Marg.> > > And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts or ways:> > >> > > 1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and accept what is> > > written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back with reference to> > > the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that horoary astrology needs to> > > be kept above natal chart.> > > 2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.> > >> > > Both types of people exist and are requird to run this society.> > > Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the same from you.> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://us.mc1120.mail./mc/compose?to=%40>,> > > "Lalkitab" <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such capabilities waste> > > his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.> > > > Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue his spiritual> > > progress full throttle.> > > > For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of being a> > > Tirthankar.> > > > Regards> > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://us.mc1120.mail./mc/compose?to=%40>,> > > "axeplex" <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > > >> > > > > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of view of> > > native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.> > > > >> > > > > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas of Prashna> > > MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):> > > > >> > > > > Stanza 15. — That person, who has mastery of this science, who has a> > > good knowledge of mathematics who leads a religious life, who is truthful,> > > who is free from conceit and who is well versed in the Vedas, mantras and> > > tantras, he alone can be called a Daivajnya or seer.> > > > > Stanza 16. — All the predictions made by such a person will come true> > > and will never be false. The learned support this statement.> > > > > Stanza 18. — He who has acquired a thorough knowledge of the different> > > Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has inferential ability> > > and who is initiated into a secret mantra by a preceptor, can alone know> > > horoscopy.> > > > >> > > > > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough.> > > > >> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://us.mc1120.mail./mc/compose?to=%40>,> > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the spirit, whenever> > > the> > > > > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get some guidance,> > > > > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.> > > > > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kulbir bains.> > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it is KP> > > Horary,> > > > > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You may refer> > > to KP> > > > > > > scholoars what they have to say)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes Asc-Star-Sub> > > and> > > > > > > significators of an event are chosen from this chart. Then Ruling> > > planets> > > > > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native chart).> > > Common> > > > > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa is studied,> > > a period> > > > > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then within that> > > period,> > > > > > > transits are seen to time the events.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to comment on KP> > > and you> > > > > > > need to cross check it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be understood but "Aj> > > de taim> > > > > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te kinne> > > astrloger ne> > > > > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita) jeende ne)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://us.mc1120.mail./mc/compose?to=%40><ancient_indian_> > > astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount importance to the> > > > > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with the> > > planetary> > > > > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly correct me if i> > > am wrong.> > > > > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something divine.> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna -> > > Priority to> > > > > > > which, when and why?> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<http://us.mc1120.mail./mc/compose?to=%40><ancient_indian_> > > astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers horary but> > > what is> > > > > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this? This is my> > > question.> > > > > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated with it, then> > > person> > > > > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people are there> > > in this> > > > > > > world?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog"> > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one> > > of the> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be> > > given> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of> > > the> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands -> > > and> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by> > > Prashna> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good> > > scope for> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to address the question> > > - "WHY> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is available in> > > Prashnamarga> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > itself).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate> > > pointers> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab> > > Kb> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad according to> > > birthchart> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is best //> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana Â> > > indications> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > are correct.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji Namaskar and pranams many thanks for this beutiful write up (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not as a reply to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon me in case of anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good person )Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this --- when the natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil take ?? natal or prashna for guidance .There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi etc ) and kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the events and tallying with the events happening happend during the time of birth ( it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya ) .So the question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for old learned pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how many midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the oil consumed and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the delivery room etc ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa methods and kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported birth time is wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a tree or in a boat etc etc is mentioned But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala is not the prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign or udaya lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising sign will b 2 hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in dark and in Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of emergency the astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has more relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has various methods and application and implications Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple town of culture capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart but they just giv out results including what for u came and its future effect ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they prescribe remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one man approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said yes ,then he described an event what happened in his life He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to attent some official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was office bearer of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical assossiation ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a nativ of kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he need to consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead and i dont blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the frnd doctor he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd asked him to consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was not willing and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not having any birth details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon or moon sign of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of birth of his kids .So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My eldest daughter only rgrds to her education The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that u wanted to make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b so ,but she will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it those days his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into MBBS when the need of specialisation came she cud not got into the purticular stream she wanted and final option was gynac all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying why did not he asked abt his other aspects of Life But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola prashna etc etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and may b in Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a purticular questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) they r conducting in some places annualy to know complete well being of a family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any Birth charts individualy but declare results independently for each memebr in family and we know during the time of Joint families there may b 100 to 300 memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some Mag in a article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji conducted such prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single prashna ) and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna and the astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many of the events very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the details he was predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there will b 2 grps of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who is arguing abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's and hora s -- Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv this or i invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt efficacy of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called moderators are afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand u as trouble maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of tradition .One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even in grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka- according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it will only leads to further healthy discussion .i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let me conclud here thanks and with regrds sunil nair , venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote:>> Sirs,> > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology) is primarily enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events in one's life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or action, momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of Natal's reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the 'results' deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school of astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before Standard Time was introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in giving the correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a few give the time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head or part of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is removed from that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time given by a mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her mother that she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in the > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on the correct time 'given' to him.> > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to 'second' becomes important to study the birth chart of both children, as few minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda' - together with connected limbs. At same time, the position of Planets in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will note 'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as 'at face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread' their individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a perticular event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer to 'cast' result of a given event. This method will 'shorten' to arrive at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time consuming analysis under Dasha system.> > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the moment of the judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth charts, and predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are simple and could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and years of practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help to find an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to correct date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen accepted Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive at possible date of marriage or of a child birth or success in an Election and more practical and immediate events for which instant results are required.> > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great Astrologer Guru Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many Astrologers near to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event questions' with accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and practice with success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of Astrology. However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct 'Predictive Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of hues, while Horaray astrology reduce such space.>  > A.V.Pathi,  > Astrologer, >  > > > > > ________________________________> Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM> Re: Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?> >  > Sir Kursija ji, > Your comments are of an experienced person.> Here i would like to add that;> I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public forum is a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on the topic depends upon the conclusion.> So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic remains open for deliberations as such, members are free to stop their observations but dictates to end discussions without conclusion doesn't seem worthwhile of a sensible group.> Regards> Kulbir Bains.   > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija > wrote:> >  > >Respected Dev ji, > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart today. Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit that the natal char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for the particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life of the native.> >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in some sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When my servant will come back? etc.> >Regards > >> >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:> >> >> >>axeplex axeplex > > >>> >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?> >>ancient_indian_ astrology> >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM > >>> >>> >>> >> > >>Dear Kulbir,> >>> >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in Prashna Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts or ways:> >>> >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and accept what is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back with reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that horoary astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.> >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says. > >>> >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this society.> >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the same from you.> >>> >>regds> >>Dev> >>> >>ancient_indian_ astrology, "Lalkitab" <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:> >>>> >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such capabilities waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.> >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue his spiritual progress full throttle.> >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of being a Tirthankar.> >>> Regards> >>> Kulbir Bains.> >>> > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex@> wrote:> >>> >> >>> > Dear Kulbir,> >>> > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of view of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.> >>> > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas of Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):> >>> > > >>> > Stanza 15. â€" That person, who has mastery of this science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a religious life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well versed in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a Daivajnya or seer.> >>> > Stanza 16. â€" All the predictions made by such a person will come true and will never be false. The learned support this statement.> >>> > Stanza 18. â€" He who has acquired a thorough knowledge of the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret mantra by a preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.> >>> > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough. > >>> > > >>> > Dev> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> >>> > >> >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the spirit, whenever the> >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get some guidance,> >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.> >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.> >>> > > Regards> >>> > > Kulbir bains.> >>> > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> >>> > > > >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,> >>> > > >> >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it is KP Horary,> >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You may refer to KP> >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)> >>> > > >> >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes Asc-Star-Sub and> >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this chart. Then Ruling planets> >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native chart). Common> >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa is studied, a period> >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then within that period,> >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.> >>> > > >> >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to comment on KP and you> >>> > > > need to cross check it.> >>> > > >> >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be understood but "Aj de taim> >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te kinne astrloger ne> >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita) jeende ne)> >>> > > >> >>> > > > Dev> >>> > > >> >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount importance to the> >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with the planetary> >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly correct me if i am wrong.> >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something divine.> >>> > > > > Regards> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to> >>> > > > which, when and why?> >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > Â> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers horary but what is> >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this? This is my question.> >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated with it, then person> >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people are there in this> >>> > > > world?> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > regds> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > Dev> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to is one of the> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA should be given> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e. Jataka)!> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is one of the> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga stands - and> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice given by Prashna> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very good scope for> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to address the question - "WHY> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is available in Prashnamarga> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > itself).> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the intricate pointers> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji provides.> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > Love and regards,> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > Sreenadh> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Lalkitab Kb> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad according to birthchart> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is best //> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana  indications> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > are correct.> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > > Regards> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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