Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?

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Sunilji,

 

Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you have raised the

issue :

 

//One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even in grp asking

abt the scientific basis of prashna

can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka- according to

Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as pivotal point in

considering future of a purticular person as it will only leads to further

healthy discussion .///

 

Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name, there is no issue with

this. I would discuss with you but to make it a healthy discussion, memebers

would not come with comments like " hair cutting " , " hair stylists " etc. At least,

I don't think this group is a hair saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall

we discuss privately on your mail id.

 

My responses may take time....

 

regds

Dev

 

 

, " Sunil "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

> Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji

>

> Namaskar and pranams

>

> many thanks for this beutiful write up

>

> (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not as a reply

> to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon me in case of

> anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good person )

>

> Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this --- when the

> natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil take ??

> natal or prashna for guidance .

>

> There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi etc ) and

> kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the events and

> tallying with the events happening happend during the time of birth (

> it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya ) .So the

> question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for old learned

> pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how many

> midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the oil consumed

> and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the delivery room etc

> ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa methods and

> kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported birth time is

> wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .

>

> even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a tree or in

> a boat etc etc is mentioned

>

> But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala is not the

> prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign or udaya

> lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising sign will b 2

> hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in dark and in

> Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of emergency the

> astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has more

> relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient

>

> but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has various methods

> and application and implications

>

> Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple town of culture

> capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this

>

> In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart but they

> just giv out results including what for u came and its future effect

> ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they prescribe

> remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .

>

> once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one man

> approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said yes ,then

> he described an event what happened in his life

>

> He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to attent some

> official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was office bearer

> of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical assossiation

> ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a nativ of

> kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he need to

> consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead and i dont

> blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the frnd doctor

> he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd asked him to

> consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was not willing

> and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not having any birth

> details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon or moon sign

> of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of birth of his

> kids .

>

> So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My eldest

> daughter only rgrds to her education

>

> The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that u wanted to

> make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b so ,but she

> will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it those days

> his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into MBBS when the

> need of specialisation came she cud not got into the purticular stream

> she wanted and final option was gynac

>

> all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying why did not

> he asked abt his other aspects of Life

>

> But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more

>

> Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola prashna etc

> etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and may b in

> Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .

>

> so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a purticular

> questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) they r

> conducting in some places annualy to know complete well being of a

> family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any Birth charts

> individualy but declare results independently for each memebr in family

> and we know during the time of Joint families there may b 100 to 300

> memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some Mag in a

> article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji conducted such

> prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single prashna )

> and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna and the

> astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many of the events

> very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the details he was

> predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there will b 2 grps

> of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who is arguing

> abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's and hora s --

> Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv this or i

> invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt efficacy

> of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called moderators are

> afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand u as trouble

> maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of tradition .

>

> One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even in grp

> asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

>

> can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as

> pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it will

> only leads to further healthy discussion .

>

> i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let me conclud

> here

>

> thanks and with regrds

>

> sunil nair

>

>

>

>

> , venkatachala pathi

> <pathiav@> wrote:

> >

> > Sirs,

> >

> > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology) is primarily

> enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events in one's

> life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or action,

> momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of Natal's

> reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the 'results'

> deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school of

> astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before Standard Time was

> introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in giving the

> correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a few give the

> time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head or part

> of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is removed from

> that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time given by a

> mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her mother that

> she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÂ

> > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on the

> correct time 'given' to him.

> >

> > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to 'second' becomes

> important to study the birth chart of both children, as few

> minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda' -Â

> together with connected limbs. At same time, the position of Planets

> in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will note

> 'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as 'at

> face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread' their

> individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a perticular

> event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer to

> 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will 'shorten' to arrive

> at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time consuming

> analysis under Dasha system.

> >

> > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the moment of the

> judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth charts, and

> predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are simple and

> could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and years of

> practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help to find

> an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to correct

> date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen acceptedÂ

> Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive at possible date

> of marriage or of a child birth or success in an Election and

> more practical and immediate events for which instant results

> are required.

> >

> > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great Astrologer Guru

> Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many Astrologers near

> to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event questions' with

> accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and practice with

> success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of Astrology.

> However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct 'Predictive

> Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of hues, while

> Horaray astrology reduce such space.

> > Â

> > A.V.Pathi, Â

> > Astrologer,

> > Â

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> >

> > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM

> > Re: Re: Jataka and Prashna -

> Priority to which, when and why?

> >

> > Â

> > Sir Kursija ji,

> > Your comments are of an experienced person.

> > Here i would like to add that;

> > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public forum is

> a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on the

> topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic remains

> open for deliberations as such, members are free to stop their

> observations but dictates to end discussions without conclusion doesn't

> seem worthwhile of a sensible group.

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> >

> >

> > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija >

> wrote:

> >

> > Â

> > >Respected Dev ji,

> > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart today.

> Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit that the natal

> char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for the

> particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life of the

> native.

> > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in some

> sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When my

> servant will come back? etc.

> > >RegardsÂ

> > >

> > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >>axeplex axeplex >

> > >>

> > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna -

> Priority to which, when and why?

> > >>ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>Â

> > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > >>

> > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in Prashna

> Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts or ways:

> > >>

> > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and accept what

> is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back with

> reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that horoary

> astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.

> > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.

> > >>

> > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this society.

> > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the same

> from you.

> > >>

> > >>regds

> > >>Dev

> > >>

> > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, " Lalkitab "

> <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such capabilities

> waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue his

> spiritual progress full throttle.

> > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of being a

> Tirthankar.

> > >>> Regards

> > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > >>>

> > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex "

> <axeplex@> wrote:

> > >>> >

> > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > >>> >

> > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of view

> of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.

> > >>> >

> > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas of

> Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):

> > >>> >

> > >>> > Stanza 15. †" That person, who has mastery of this

> science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a religious

> life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well versed

> in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a Daivajnya or

> seer.

> > >>> > Stanza 16. †" All the predictions made by such a person

> will come true and will never be false. The learned support this

> statement.

> > >>> > Stanza 18. †" He who has acquired a thorough knowledge of

> the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has

> inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret mantra by a

> preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > >>> >

> > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough.

> > >>> >

> > >>> > Dev

> > >>> >

> > >>> >

> > >>> >

> > >>> >

> > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Kulbir Bains

> <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the spirit,

> whenever the

> > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get some

> guidance,

> > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > >>> > > Regards

> > >>> > > Kulbir bains.

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it is

> KP Horary,

> > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You may

> refer to KP

> > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes

> Asc-Star-Sub and

> > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this chart. Then

> Ruling planets

> > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native

> chart). Common

> > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa is

> studied, a period

> > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then within

> that period,

> > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to comment

> on KP and you

> > >>> > > > need to cross check it.

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be understood

> but " Aj de taim

> > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te kinne

> astrloger ne

> > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita) jeende

> ne)

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > > Dev

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount importance

> to the

> > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with the

> planetary

> > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly correct

> me if i am wrong.

> > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something

> divine.

> > >>> > > > > Regards

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and

> Prashna - Priority to

> > >>> > > > which, when and why?

> > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

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> > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,

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> > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers horary

> but what is

> > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this? This

> is my question.

> > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated with

> it, then person

> > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people are

> there in this

> > >>> > > > world?

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> > >>> > > > > regds

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > Dev

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> > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

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> > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to

> is one of the

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA

> should be given

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e.

> Jataka)!

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is

> one of the

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga

> stands - and

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice given

> by Prashna

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very

> good scope for

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to address the

> question - " WHY

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is available in

> Prashnamarga

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > itself).

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the

> intricate pointers

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji

> provides.

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > >

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> Lalkitab Kb

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > >

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//Â the period is bad

> according to birthchart

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is

> best //

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana

> Â indications

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > are correct.

> > >>> > > > >

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> > >>> > > > > > > Regards

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[Guest guest]

Mr. Axe plex (Dev???),

 

Talk to me directly.

 

You are the only one who has wasted time of so many members to the tune

of not hours, but days in senseless discussions. You make claims

constantly but when anyone asks you for some anaylsis or inputs,

everytime you search for escape routes and excuses, and never return for

those Queries but come back with some other senseless discussion. You

are just like that persdon advising in a gentry of Haircutters about how

to cut hair, which example was specially meant for you.

 

And stop sending mails on my personal id. I dont want to read any

rubbish filth nor are you so important enough to enable a reply from me.

 

You dont know the basics of astrology, why are you wasting time of

respected members like Shri Sunil Nairji who have lots of pearls to

display, but displaying before..... And you want healthy discussions ?

On what ? On higher mathematics ? On postings which nobody can

understand ? Except another fake id like yours which will come up to

praise you ? You want to discuss on how water leakage froma tank can be

predicted ? Then discuss please. Thats what we are asking you since last

3 months to show, discuss, produce, demonstrate and support and

authenticate your claims, but you are talking senseless all the times

and commenting on others comments ?

 

You say that your responses will take time ? Do you know anything att

all to respond by the way ? As usual you will expect people to forget

this and come back again with something silly and want people to listen

to you, which you will call as " Healthy discussion " . Thank God at least

I have not wasted my time with such healthy discussions in last few

weeks with you.

 

And you have a problem about my using terms like " Hair Stylists "

and " Hair cutters " . Listen I am a genuine member here who has right to

comment. Before you raise a motion of opposition for me, please prove

your genuinity by allowing members to know your real name, contact

particulars and about yourself.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " axeplex " <axeplex

wrote:

>

> Sunilji,

>

> Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you have

raised the issue :

>

> //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even in

grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as

pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it will

only leads to further healthy discussion .///

>

> Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name, there is no

issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a healthy

discussion, memebers would not come with comments like " hair cutting " ,

" hair stylists " etc. At least, I don't think this group is a hair

saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss privately on

your mail id.

>

> My responses may take time....

>

> regds

> Dev

>

>

> , " Sunil "

astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji

> >

> > Namaskar and pranams

> >

> > many thanks for this beutiful write up

> >

> > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not as a

reply

> > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon me in

case of

> > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good person )

> >

> > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this --- when

the

> > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil take ??

> > natal or prashna for guidance .

> >

> > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi etc ) and

> > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the events

and

> > tallying with the events happening happend during the time of birth

(

> > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya ) .So

the

> > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for old

learned

> > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how many

> > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the oil

consumed

> > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the delivery room

etc

> > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa methods

and

> > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported birth time

is

> > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .

> >

> > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a tree or

in

> > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> >

> > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala is not

the

> > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign or udaya

> > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising sign will

b 2

> > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in dark and

in

> > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of emergency the

> > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has more

> > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient

> >

> > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has various methods

> > and application and implications

> >

> > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple town of

culture

> > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this

> >

> > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart but they

> > just giv out results including what for u came and its future effect

> > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they prescribe

> > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .

> >

> > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one man

> > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said yes

,then

> > he described an event what happened in his life

> >

> > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to attent

some

> > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was office

bearer

> > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical

assossiation

> > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a nativ of

> > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he need to

> > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead and i

dont

> > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the frnd

doctor

> > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd asked him

to

> > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was not

willing

> > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not having any

birth

> > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon or moon

sign

> > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of birth of

his

> > kids .

> >

> > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My eldest

> > daughter only rgrds to her education

> >

> > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that u wanted

to

> > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b so ,but

she

> > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it those

days

> > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into MBBS when

the

> > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the purticular

stream

> > she wanted and final option was gynac

> >

> > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying why did

not

> > he asked abt his other aspects of Life

> >

> > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more

> >

> > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola prashna

etc

> > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and may b in

> > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .

> >

> > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a purticular

> > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) they r

> > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well being of a

> > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any Birth

charts

> > individualy but declare results independently for each memebr in

family

> > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b 100 to 300

> > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some Mag in a

> > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji conducted such

> > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single prashna )

> > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna and the

> > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many of the

events

> > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the details he

was

> > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there will b 2

grps

> > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who is

arguing

> > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's and hora s

--

> > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv this or i

> > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt

efficacy

> > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called moderators

are

> > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand u as

trouble

> > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of tradition .

> >

> > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even in

grp

> > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> >

> > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as

> > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it

will

> > only leads to further healthy discussion .

> >

> > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let me

conclud

> > here

> >

> > thanks and with regrds

> >

> > sunil nair

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , venkatachala pathi

> > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sirs,

> > >

> > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology) is

primarily

> > enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events in

one's

> > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or action,

> > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of Natal's

> > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the

'results'

> > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school of

> > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before Standard Time

was

> > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in giving

the

> > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a few give

the

> > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head or

part

> > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is removed

from

> > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time given by a

> > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her mother

that

> > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÂ

> > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on the

> > correct time 'given' to him.

> > >

> > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to 'second'

becomes

> > important to study the birth chart of both children, as few

> > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda' -Â

> > together with connected limbs. At same time, the position ofÂ

Planets

> > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will

note

> > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as 'at

> > face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread' their

> > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a

perticular

> > event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer to

> > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will 'shorten' to

arrive

> > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time consuming

> > analysis under Dasha system.

> > >

> > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the moment of

the

> > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth charts,

and

> > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are simple

and

> > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and years

of

> > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help to

find

> > an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to

correct

> > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen

acceptedÂ

> > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive at possible

date

> > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an Election

and

> > more practical and immediate events for which instant

results

> > are required.

> > >

> > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great Astrologer Guru

> > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many Astrologers

near

> > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event questions'

with

> > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and practice

with

> > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of Astrology.

> > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct

'Predictive

> > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of hues,

while

> > Horaray astrology reduce such space.

> > > Â

> > > A.V.Pathi, Â

> > > Astrologer,

> > > Â

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > >

> > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM

> > > Re: Re: Jataka and Prashna -

> > Priority to which, when and why?

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Sir Kursija ji,

> > > Your comments are of an experienced person.

> > > Here i would like to add that;

> > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public forum

is

> > a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on the

> > topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic

remains

> > open for deliberations as such, members are free to stop their

> > observations but dictates to end discussions without conclusion

doesn't

> > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija (AT) (DOT)

com>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Â

> > > >Respected Dev ji,

> > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart today.

> > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit that the

natal

> > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for the

> > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life of the

> > native.

> > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in some

> > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When my

> > servant will come back? etc.

> > > >RegardsÂ

> > > >

> > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >>axeplex axeplex >

> > > >>

> > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna -

> > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>Â

> > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > >>

> > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in

Prashna

> > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts or

ways:

> > > >>

> > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and accept

what

> > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back with

> > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that

horoary

> > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.

> > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.

> > > >>

> > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this society.

> > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the same

> > from you.

> > > >>

> > > >>regds

> > > >>Dev

> > > >>

> > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, " Lalkitab "

> > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such

capabilities

> > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue his

> > spiritual progress full throttle.

> > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of being a

> > Tirthankar.

> > > >>> Regards

> > > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex "

> > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of

view

> > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas

of

> > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > Stanza 15. †" That person, who has mastery of this

> > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a

religious

> > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well

versed

> > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a

Daivajnya or

> > seer.

> > > >>> > Stanza 16. †" All the predictions made by such a person

> > will come true and will never be false. The learned support this

> > statement.

> > > >>> > Stanza 18. †" He who has acquired a thorough knowledge

of

> > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has

> > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret mantra by a

> > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough.

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > Dev

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Kulbir

Bains

> > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the

spirit,

> > whenever the

> > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get

some

> > guidance,

> > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > > >>> > > Regards

> > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it

is

> > KP Horary,

> > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You

may

> > refer to KP

> > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes

> > Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this chart.

Then

> > Ruling planets

> > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native

> > chart). Common

> > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa

is

> > studied, a period

> > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then

within

> > that period,

> > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to

comment

> > on KP and you

> > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be

understood

> > but " Aj de taim

> > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te

kinne

> > astrloger ne

> > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita)

jeende

> > ne)

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > Dev

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount

importance

> > to the

> > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with

the

> > planetary

> > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly

correct

> > me if i am wrong.

> > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something

> > divine.

> > > >>> > > > > Regards

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and

> > Prashna - Priority to

> > > >>> > > > which, when and why?

> > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

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> > > >>> > > > > Â

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> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers

horary

> > but what is

> > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this?

This

> > is my question.

> > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated

with

> > it, then person

> > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people

are

> > there in this

> > > >>> > > > world?

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > regds

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > Dev

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point

to

> > is one of the

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs

PRASHNA

> > should be given

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e.

> > Jataka)!

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that

is

> > one of the

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna

marga

> > stands - and

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice

given

> > by Prashna

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is

very

> > good scope for

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to address

the

> > question - " WHY

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is

available in

> > Prashnamarga

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > itself).

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the

> > intricate pointers

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil

ji

> > provides.

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > Lalkitab Kb

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//Â the period is bad

> > according to birthchart

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is

> > best //

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and

prashana

> > Â indications

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > are correct.

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > > Regards

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

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Dear Dev JI We can discuss in grps abt anything acdemicaly, provided we r here for sharing exprnces/knowledge ,at times when some body knows some thing for sure -as good as Lines in his hand he may b stubborn and dont think that it is some sort of dry argumnt or arguemnt due to some ego or idealism u asked me in prvt and in grp the scientific basis of prashna astrology and u the No-1 in argeing that prashna is nothing but natal chart prevails .how this both will tally ( what i said was in case of results of both diffrs then go by prashna than Natal chart again that is traditional prashna mostly- it is where astrologers devine grace and blessings frm guru and dharma devata s help him ) so if u control urself and come to real mode of discussions then i dont think any one will try to hamper ur discussions i used to get many mails frm Kaul camps ,science of astrology (actualy they want reply in modern physical science terms than astrology itself is a sastra of its own ) camps ,and even frm self declared Blessed by Ma or this or that camps and persons himself who thinks they hav right to demolish everything .i used to ignore all this mails due to personal problems and commitments .some one frm last 5 months is senting me a grp CC mail that he decoded swami vivekanda chart and all the other gurus are farce and he is the one selected by Ma as saviour of astrology .And he has many undigested ( he himself dont know how to appy it ) theorems .even he mentions my name many times in various grps who dont dare to argue with him so in net world all this is possible .if u r in for proper discussions where all of us can learn or upgrade/update our understanding and Knowledge ,then i dont think there will b distractions ,even if any pls learn to ignore it so in the Long run u will find that it was all nothing if u r serious abt ur approach in grp discussions ( it shud not b Like declarations that narayana dasa is superior and i can show u and then vanish ) so all the best for u and let us strt discussing due to my time limit many days i may not reply u but there is so many memebrs in our forum and they will also b guiding us with rgrds sunil nair , "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Sunilji,> > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you have raised the issue :> > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even in grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka- according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it will only leads to further healthy discussion .///> > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name, there is no issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a healthy discussion, memebers would not come with comments like "hair cutting", "hair stylists" etc. At least, I don't think this group is a hair saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss privately on your mail id.> > My responses may take time....> > regds> Dev > > > , "Sunil" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji> > > > Namaskar and pranams> > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up> > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not as a reply> > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon me in case of> > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good person )> > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this --- when the> > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil take ??> > natal or prashna for guidance .> > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi etc ) and> > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the events and> > tallying with the events happening happend during the time of birth (> > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya ) .So the> > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for old learned> > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how many> > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the oil consumed> > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the delivery room etc> > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa methods and> > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported birth time is> > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .> > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a tree or in> > a boat etc etc is mentioned> > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala is not the> > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign or udaya> > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising sign will b 2> > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in dark and in> > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of emergency the> > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has more> > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient> > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has various methods> > and application and implications> > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple town of culture> > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this> > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart but they> > just giv out results including what for u came and its future effect> > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they prescribe> > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .> > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one man> > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said yes ,then> > he described an event what happened in his life> > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to attent some> > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was office bearer> > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical assossiation> > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a nativ of> > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he need to> > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead and i dont> > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the frnd doctor> > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd asked him to> > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was not willing> > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not having any birth> > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon or moon sign > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of birth of his> > kids .> > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My eldest> > daughter only rgrds to her education> > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that u wanted to> > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b so ,but she> > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it those days> > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into MBBS when the> > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the purticular stream> > she wanted and final option was gynac> > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying why did not> > he asked abt his other aspects of Life> > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more> > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola prashna etc> > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and may b in> > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .> > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a purticular> > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) they r> > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well being of a> > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any Birth charts> > individualy but declare results independently for each memebr in family> > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b 100 to 300> > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some Mag in a> > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji conducted such > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single prashna )> > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna and the> > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many of the events> > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the details he was> > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there will b 2 grps> > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who is arguing> > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's and hora s --> > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv this or i> > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt efficacy> > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called moderators are> > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand u as trouble> > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of tradition .> > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even in grp> > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-> > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as> > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it will> > only leads to further healthy discussion .> > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let me conclud> > here> > > > thanks and with regrds> > > > sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > , venkatachala pathi> > <pathiav@> wrote:> > >> > > Sirs,> > >> > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology) is primarily> > enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events in one's> > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or action,> > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of Natal's> > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the 'results'> > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school of> > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before Standard Time was> > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in giving the> > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a few give the> > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head or part> > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is removed from> > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time given by a> > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her mother that> > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÂ> > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on the> > correct time 'given' to him.> > >> > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to 'second' becomes> > important to study the birth chart of both children, as few> > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda' -Â> > together with connected limbs. At same time, the position of Planets> > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will note> > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as 'at> > face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread' their> > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a perticular> > event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer to> > 'cast' result of a given event. This method will 'shorten' to arrive> > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time consuming> > analysis under Dasha system.> > >> > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the moment of the> > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth charts, and> > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are simple and> > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and years of> > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help to find> > an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to correct> > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen acceptedÂ> > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive at possible date> > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an Election and> > more practical and immediate events for which instant results> > are required.> > >> > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great Astrologer Guru> > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many Astrologers near> > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event questions' with> > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and practice with> > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of Astrology.> > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct 'Predictive> > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of hues, while> > Horaray astrology reduce such space.> > > Â> > > A.V.Pathi, Â> > > Astrologer,> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ________________________________> > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@> > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM> > > Re: Re: Jataka and Prashna -> > Priority to which, when and why?> > >> > > Â> > > Sir Kursija ji,> > > Your comments are of an experienced person.> > > Here i would like to add that;> > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public forum is> > a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on the> > topic depends upon the conclusion.> > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic remains> > open for deliberations as such, members are free to stop their> > observations but dictates to end discussions without conclusion doesn't> > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.> > > Regards> > > Kulbir Bains.  Â> > >> > >> > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija >> > wrote:> > >> > > Â> > > >Respected Dev ji,> > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart today.> > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit that the natal> > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for the> > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life of the> > native.> > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in some> > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When my> > servant will come back? etc.> > > >RegardsÂ> > > >> > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >>axeplex axeplex >> > > >>> > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna -> > Priority to which, when and why?> > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology> > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>Â> > > >>Dear Kulbir,> > > >>> > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in Prashna> > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts or ways:> > > >>> > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and accept what> > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back with> > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that horoary> > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.> > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.> > > >>> > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this society.> > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the same> > from you.> > > >>> > > >>regds> > > >>Dev> > > >>> > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, "Lalkitab"> > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such capabilities> > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.> > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue his> > spiritual progress full throttle.> > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of being a> > Tirthankar.> > > >>> Regards> > > >>> Kulbir Bains.> > > >>>> > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > >>> >> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,> > > >>> >> > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of view> > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.> > > >>> >> > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas of> > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):> > > >>> >> > > >>> > Stanza 15. â€" That person, who has mastery of this> > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a religious> > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well versed> > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a Daivajnya or> > seer.> > > >>> > Stanza 16. â€" All the predictions made by such a person> > will come true and will never be false. The learned support this> > statement.> > > >>> > Stanza 18. â€" He who has acquired a thorough knowledge of> > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has> > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret mantra by a> > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.> > > >>> >> > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough.> > > >>> >> > > >>> > Dev> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Kulbir Bains> > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the spirit,> > whenever the> > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get some> > guidance,> > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.> > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.> > > >>> > > Regards> > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it is> > KP Horary,> > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You may> > refer to KP> > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes> > Asc-Star-Sub and> > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this chart. Then> > Ruling planets> > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native> > chart). Common> > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa is> > studied, a period> > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then within> > that period,> > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to comment> > on KP and you> > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be understood> > but "Aj de taim> > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te kinne> > astrloger ne> > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita) jeende> > ne)> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > > Dev> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount importance> > to the> > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with the> > planetary> > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly correct> > me if i am wrong.> > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something> > divine.> > > >>> > > > > Regards> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and> > Prashna - Priority to> > > >>> > > > which, when and why?> > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > Â> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers horary> > but what is> > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this? This> > is my question.> > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated with> > it, then person> > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people are> > there in this> > > >>> > > > world?> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > regds> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > Dev> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point to> > is one of the> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs PRASHNA> > should be given> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e.> > Jataka)!> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that is> > one of the> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna marga> > stands - and> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice given> > by Prashna> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is very> > good scope for> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to address the> > question - "WHY> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is available in> > Prashnamarga> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > itself).> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the> > intricate pointers> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil ji> > provides.> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > Lalkitab Kb> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad> > according to birthchart> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is> > best //> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and prashana> >  indications> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > are correct.> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > Regards> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>> > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Dear Bhaskar JI,

 

I am Devisingh Rajput (Master of Science,Computer

Engineer,Teacher,Lawyer,Astrologer..etc )

(if anybody want can reach to my home through google my

profile/data/cell everything is there on Net)......If anybody want else

info i am ready to give.....

 

Please pardon me if i hurt anybody though that was not

intention.....sharing has to be taken as wealth of thoughts for benefit

of astrology....

 

Mr Dev(whoever he is)......he is different Person on this forum.....

 

You have pointed out that leakage tank example and higher math those

article was from me .....i left those not to trouble much others....

Everything with me and working silently for benefit of astrology but

not to waste anybody time i have enjoy what i have ...just wait for

season to come in astrology......

 

All connected via group are friend and working for Astrology that i can

take granted from this group and being them consider friend is good (at

least Human are pron to err)

As a senior you and other are always respected....everybody have to

live together in forum same as roof of god that is beauty.....

If everything is predicted then no room for not predicted.....life is

like River it has flow...without flow in astrology It prone to Death....

 

If anybody have any query from my post i can answer those because i am

not posting without working from myside first....

 

-I pray to God he will help to come out you from Bad health...

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Regards,

Devisingh

 

Bhaskar wrote:

 

 

 

Mr. Axe plex (Dev???),

 

Talk to me directly.

 

You are the only one who has wasted time of so many members to the tune

of not hours, but days in senseless discussions. You make claims

constantly but when anyone asks you for some anaylsis or inputs,

everytime you search for escape routes and excuses, and never return for

those Queries but come back with some other senseless discussion. You

are just like that persdon advising in a gentry of Haircutters about how

to cut hair, which example was specially meant for you.

 

And stop sending mails on my personal id. I dont want to read any

rubbish filth nor are you so important enough to enable a reply from me.

 

You dont know the basics of astrology, why are you wasting time of

respected members like Shri Sunil Nairji who have lots of pearls to

display, but displaying before..... And you want healthy discussions ?

On what ? On higher mathematics ? On postings which nobody can

understand ? Except another fake id like yours which will come up to

praise you ? You want to discuss on how water leakage froma tank can be

predicted ? Then discuss please. Thats what we are asking you since last

3 months to show, discuss, produce, demonstrate and support and

authenticate your claims, but you are talking senseless all the times

and commenting on others comments ?

 

You say that your responses will take time ? Do you know anything att

all to respond by the way ? As usual you will expect people to forget

this and come back again with something silly and want people to listen

to you, which you will call as "Healthy discussion". Thank God at least

I have not wasted my time with such healthy discussions in last few

weeks with you.

 

And you have a problem about my using terms like "Hair Stylists"

and"Hair cutters". Listen I am a genuine member here who has right to

comment. Before you raise a motion of opposition for me, please prove

your genuinity by allowing members to know your real name, contact

particulars and about yourself.

 

Bhaskar.

 

,

"axeplex" <axeplex

wrote:

>

> Sunilji,

>

> Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you have

raised the issue :

>

> //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even in

grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as

pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it will

only leads to further healthy discussion .///

>

> Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name, there is

no

issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a healthy

discussion, memebers would not come with comments like "hair cutting",

"hair stylists" etc. At least, I don't think this group is a hair

saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss privately on

your mail id.

>

> My responses may take time....

>

> regds

> Dev

>

>

> ,

"Sunil"

astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji

> >

> > Namaskar and pranams

> >

> > many thanks for this beutiful write up

> >

> > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not

as a

reply

> > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon me

in

case of

> > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good

person )

> >

> > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this

--- when

the

> > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil

take ??

> > natal or prashna for guidance .

> >

> > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi etc

) and

> > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the

events

and

> > tallying with the events happening happend during the time of

birth

(

> > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya )

..So

the

> > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for

old

learned

> > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how

many

> > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the

oil

consumed

> > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the

delivery room

etc

> > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa

methods

and

> > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported birth

time

is

> > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .

> >

> > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a

tree or

in

> > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> >

> > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala is

not

the

> > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign or

udaya

> > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising

sign will

b 2

> > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in

dark and

in

> > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of emergency

the

> > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has

more

> > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient

> >

> > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has various

methods

> > and application and implications

> >

> > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple town

of

culture

> > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this

> >

> > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart

but they

> > just giv out results including what for u came and its future

effect

> > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they

prescribe

> > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .

> >

> > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one

man

> > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said

yes

,then

> > he described an event what happened in his life

> >

> > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to

attent

some

> > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was

office

bearer

> > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical

assossiation

> > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a

nativ of

> > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he

need to

> > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead

and i

dont

> > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the

frnd

doctor

> > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd

asked him

to

> > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was

not

willing

> > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not having

any

birth

> > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon or

moon

sign

> > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of

birth of

his

> > kids .

> >

> > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My

eldest

> > daughter only rgrds to her education

> >

> > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that u

wanted

to

> > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b

so ,but

she

> > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it

those

days

> > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into

MBBS when

the

> > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the

purticular

stream

> > she wanted and final option was gynac

> >

> > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying

why did

not

> > he asked abt his other aspects of Life

> >

> > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more

> >

> > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna ,

Tamboola prashna

etc

> > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and

may b in

> > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .

> >

> > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a

purticular

> > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) they

r

> > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well being

of a

> > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any Birth

charts

> > individualy but declare results independently for each memebr

in

family

> > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b 100

to 300

> > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some

Mag in a

> > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji

conducted such

> > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single

prashna )

> > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna and

the

> > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many of

the

events

> > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the

details he

was

> > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there will

b 2

grps

> > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who is

arguing

> > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's and

hora s

--

> > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv this

or i

> > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt

efficacy

> > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called

moderators

are

> > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand u

as

trouble

> > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of

tradition .

> >

> > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and

even in

grp

> > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> >

> > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy

-Jataka-

> > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth

time as

> > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as

it

will

> > only leads to further healthy discussion .

> >

> > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let me

conclud

> > here

> >

> > thanks and with regrds

> >

> > sunil nair

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ,

venkatachala pathi

> > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sirs,

> > >

> > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary'

astrology) is

primarily

> > enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events

in

one's

> > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or

action,

> > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of

Natal's

> > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the

'results'

> > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school

of

> > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before

Standard Time

was

> > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in

giving

the

> > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a

few give

the

> > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head or

part

> > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is

removed

from

> > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time

given by a

> > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her

mother

that

> > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÂ

> > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on

the

> > correct time 'given' to him.

> > >

> > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to

'second'

becomes

> > important to study the birth chart of both children, as few

> > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda' -Â

> > together with connected limbs. At same time, the position ofÂ

Planets

> > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will

note

> > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as 'at

> > face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread'

their

> > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a

perticular

> > event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer

to

> > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will 'shorten' to

arrive

> > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time

consuming

> > analysis under Dasha system.

> > >

> > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the

moment of

the

> > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth

charts,

and

> > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are

simple

and

> > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and

years

of

> > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help to

find

> > an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to

correct

> > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen

acceptedÂ

> > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive at possible

date

> > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an Election

and

> > more practical and immediate events for which instant

results

> > are required.

> > >

> > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great

Astrologer Guru

> > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many

Astrologers

near

> > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event questions'

with

> > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and practice

with

> > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of

Astrology.

> > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct

'Predictive

> > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of hues,

while

> > Horaray astrology reduce such space.

> > > Â

> > > A.V.Pathi, Â

> > > Astrologer,

> > > Â

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > >

> > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM

> > > Re: Re: Jataka

and Prashna -

> > Priority to which, when and why?

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Sir Kursija ji,

> > > Your comments are of an experienced person.

> > > Here i would like to add that;

> > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a

public forum

is

> > a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on the

> > topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the

topic

remains

> > open for deliberations as such, members are free to stopÂ

their

> > observations but dictates to end discussions without

conclusion

doesn't

> > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija

sckursija (AT) (DOT)

com>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Â

> > > >Respected Dev ji,

> > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary

chart today.

> > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit

that the

natal

> > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is

for the

> > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life

of the

> > native.

> > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal

char in some

> > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When

my

> > servant will come back? etc.

> > > >RegardsÂ

> > > >

> > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >>axeplex axeplex >

> > > >>

> > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka

and Prashna -

> > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>Â

> > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > >>

> > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me

but written in

Prashna

> > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two

thoughts or

ways:

> > > >>

> > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your

eyes and accept

what

> > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back

with

> > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that

horoary

> > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.

> > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.

> > > >>

> > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to

run this society.

> > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so

expect the same

> > from you.

> > > >>

> > > >>regds

> > > >>Dev

> > > >>

> > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com, "Lalkitab"

> > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person

with such

capabilities

> > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage

would pursue his

> > spiritual progress full throttle.

> > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the

procedure of being a

> > Tirthankar.

> > > >>> Regards

> > > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com, "axeplex"

> > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I

personally agree from point of

view

> > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean

it.

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna

Marg, here are slokas

of

> > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > Stanza 15. â€" That person, who has

mastery of this

> > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a

religious

> > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is

well

versed

> > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a

Daivajnya or

> > seer.

> > > >>> > Stanza 16. â€" All the predictions

made by such a person

> > will come true and will never be false. The learned support

this

> > statement.

> > > >>> > Stanza 18. â€" He who has acquired a

thorough knowledge

of

> > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas,

who has

> > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret mantra

by a

> > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion.

Already had enough.

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > Dev

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> >

> > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com, Kulbir

Bains

> > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in

words, consider the

spirit,

> > whenever the

> > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the

individual should get

some

> > guidance,

> > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only

this part is divine.

> > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity

of astrologer.

> > > >>> > > Regards

> > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM,

axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets

of current time. But when it

is

> > KP Horary,

> > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used.

(This is as far as I know)(You

may

> > refer to KP

> > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to

say)

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is

chosen by native that fixes

> > Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > >>> > > > significators of an event

are chosen from this chart.

Then

> > Ruling planets

> > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal

chart of that time (not native

> > chart). Common

> > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on

the two. Vimshottari Dasa

is

> > studied, a period

> > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the

shortlisted planets and then

within

> > that period,

> > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time

the events.

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not

be the best person to

comment

> > on KP and you

> > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power

association for prasna can be

understood

> > but "Aj de taim

> > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan

naal gal kar sakde ne. Te

kinne

> > astrloger ne

> > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral

jeevan (aachaar samhita)

jeende

> > ne)

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > Dev

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_

astrology@ .

> > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@

> wrote:

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP

astrologers give paramount

importance

> > to the

> > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the

natal chart to coincide with

the

> > planetary

> > > >>> > > > position when the prashan

chart is erected. Kindly

correct

> > me if i am wrong.

> > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna

chart is ordinated by something

> > divine.

> > > >>> > > > > Regards

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10,

axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > axeplex

<axeplex@>

> > > >>> > > > > Subject:

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and

> > Prashna - Priority to

> > > >>> > > > which, when and why?

> > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology@ .

> > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11

March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > Â

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I

am aware Prashnamarg prefers

horary

> > but what is

> > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is

scientific basis of this?

This

> > is my question.

> > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is

divine power associated

with

> > it, then person

> > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual.

And how many of such people

are

> > there in this

> > > >>> > > > world?

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > regds

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > Dev

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology,

> > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > You are right -

but what Sunil ji is trying to point

to

> > is one of the

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and

important points - i.e. -

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart

and Prashna result differs

PRASHNA

> > should be given

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > importance and

weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e.

> > Jataka)!

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice

given by Prashna Marga and that

is

> > one of the

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on

which the whole text prashna

marga

> > stands - and

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars

miss this very important advice

given

> > by Prashna

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is

pointing to that. And there is

very

> > good scope for

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > informative

discussion, if someone try to address

the

> > question - "WHY

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is

stating so?" (the answer is

available in

> > Prashnamarga

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > itself).

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems

that Dev ji etc is unaware of the

> > intricate pointers

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > based on

traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil

ji

> > provides.

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > --- In

ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > Lalkitab Kb

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@

> wrote:

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild

guess;//Â the period is bad

> > according to birthchart

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > //prashna Â

revealed the period is

> > best //

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is

forearmed. so both natal and

prashana

> > Â indications

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > are correct.

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > > Regards

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >>> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for your advice Sunilji.

As I have understood " Except that when native visits you, I can not relate

anything logically to Horary chart " . If there is something scientific, it seems

more of using present transits or similar terms and applying yearly chart to

natal chart. But yes, for some questions like (as Kursija ji wrote) who would

win the match, shall I get my money back, horary holds upper hand due to its

easy application.

 

If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday willing to learn.

 

regds

Dev

 

 

, " Sunil "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Dear Dev JI

>

> We can discuss in grps abt anything acdemicaly, provided we r here for

> sharing exprnces/knowledge ,at times when some body knows some thing

> for sure -as good as Lines in his hand he may b stubborn and dont think

> that it is some sort of dry argumnt or arguemnt due to some ego or

> idealism

>

> u asked me in prvt and in grp the scientific basis of prashna astrology

> and u the No-1 in argeing that prashna is nothing but natal chart

> prevails .how this both will tally ( what i said was in case of results

> of both diffrs then go by prashna than Natal chart again that is

> traditional prashna mostly- it is where astrologers devine grace and

> blessings frm guru and dharma devata s help him )

>

> so if u control urself and come to real mode of discussions then i dont

> think any one will try to hamper ur discussions

>

> i used to get many mails frm Kaul camps ,science of astrology (actualy

> they want reply in modern physical science terms than astrology itself

> is a sastra of its own ) camps ,and even frm self declared Blessed by

> Ma or this or that camps and persons himself who thinks they hav right

> to demolish everything .i used to ignore all this mails due to personal

> problems and commitments .

>

> some one frm last 5 months is senting me a grp CC mail that he decoded

> swami vivekanda chart and all the other gurus are farce and he is the

> one selected by Ma as saviour of astrology .And he has many undigested (

> he himself dont know how to appy it ) theorems .even he mentions my

> name many times in various grps who dont dare to argue with him

>

> so in net world all this is possible .

>

> if u r in for proper discussions where all of us can learn or

> upgrade/update our understanding and Knowledge ,then i dont think there

> will b distractions ,even if any pls learn to ignore it

>

> so in the Long run u will find that it was all nothing if u r serious

> abt ur approach in grp discussions ( it shud not b Like declarations

> that narayana dasa is superior and i can show u and then vanish )

>

> so all the best for u and let us strt discussing

>

> due to my time limit many days i may not reply u but there is so many

> memebrs in our forum and they will also b guiding us

>

> with rgrds sunil nair

, " axeplex " <axeplex@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sunilji,

> >

> > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you have

> raised the issue :

> >

> > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even in

> grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as

> pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it will

> only leads to further healthy discussion .///

> >

> > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name, there is no

> issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a healthy

> discussion, memebers would not come with comments like " hair cutting " ,

> " hair stylists " etc. At least, I don't think this group is a hair

> saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss privately on

> your mail id.

> >

> > My responses may take time....

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> >

> > , " Sunil "

> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji

> > >

> > > Namaskar and pranams

> > >

> > > many thanks for this beutiful write up

> > >

> > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not as a

> reply

> > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon me in

> case of

> > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good person )

> > >

> > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this --- when

> the

> > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil take ??

> > > natal or prashna for guidance .

> > >

> > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi etc ) and

> > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the events

> and

> > > tallying with the events happening happend during the time of birth

> (

> > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya ) .So

> the

> > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for old

> learned

> > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how many

> > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the oil

> consumed

> > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the delivery room

> etc

> > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa methods

> and

> > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported birth time

> is

> > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .

> > >

> > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a tree or

> in

> > > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> > >

> > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala is not

> the

> > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign or udaya

> > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising sign will

> b 2

> > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in dark and

> in

> > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of emergency the

> > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has more

> > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient

> > >

> > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has various

> methods

> > > and application and implications

> > >

> > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple town of

> culture

> > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this

> > >

> > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart but they

> > > just giv out results including what for u came and its future effect

> > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they prescribe

> > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .

> > >

> > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one man

> > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said yes

> ,then

> > > he described an event what happened in his life

> > >

> > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to attent

> some

> > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was office

> bearer

> > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical

> assossiation

> > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a nativ of

> > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he need to

> > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead and i

> dont

> > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the frnd

> doctor

> > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd asked him

> to

> > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was not

> willing

> > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not having any

> birth

> > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon or moon

> sign

> > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of birth of

> his

> > > kids .

> > >

> > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My eldest

> > > daughter only rgrds to her education

> > >

> > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that u

> wanted to

> > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b so ,but

> she

> > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it those

> days

> > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into MBBS when

> the

> > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the purticular

> stream

> > > she wanted and final option was gynac

> > >

> > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying why did

> not

> > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life

> > >

> > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more

> > >

> > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola prashna

> etc

> > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and may b in

> > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .

> > >

> > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a purticular

> > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) they r

> > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well being of a

> > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any Birth

> charts

> > > individualy but declare results independently for each memebr in

> family

> > > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b 100 to 300

> > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some Mag in a

> > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji conducted

> such

> > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single prashna

> )

> > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna and the

> > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many of the

> events

> > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the details he

> was

> > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there will b 2

> grps

> > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who is

> arguing

> > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's and hora s

> --

> > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv this or i

> > > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt

> efficacy

> > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called moderators

> are

> > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand u as

> trouble

> > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of tradition .

> > >

> > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even in

> grp

> > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > >

> > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as

> > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it

> will

> > > only leads to further healthy discussion .

> > >

> > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let me

> conclud

> > > here

> > >

> > > thanks and with regrds

> > >

> > > sunil nair

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , venkatachala pathi

> > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sirs,

> > > >

> > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology) is

> primarily

> > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events in

> one's

> > > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or action,

> > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of Natal's

> > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the

> 'results'

> > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school of

> > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before Standard Time

> was

> > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in giving

> the

> > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a few give

> the

> > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head or

> part

> > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is removed

> from

> > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time given by a

> > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her mother

> that

> > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÂ

> > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on the

> > > correct time 'given' to him.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to 'second'

> becomes

> > > important to study the birth chart of both children, as few

> > > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda' -Â

> > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the position ofÂ

> Planets

> > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will

> note

> > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as 'at

> > > face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread'

> their

> > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a

> perticular

> > > event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer to

> > > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will 'shorten' to

> arrive

> > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time consuming

> > > analysis under Dasha system.

> > > >

> > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the moment of

> the

> > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth charts,

> and

> > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are simple

> and

> > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and years

> of

> > > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help to

> find

> > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to

> correct

> > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen

> acceptedÂ

> > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive at possible

> date

> > > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an Election

> and

> > > more practical and immediate events for which instant

> results

> > > are required.

> > > >

> > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great Astrologer Guru

> > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many Astrologers

> near

> > > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event questions'

> with

> > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and practice

> with

> > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of Astrology.

> > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct

> 'Predictive

> > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of hues,

> while

> > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.

> > > > Â

> > > > A.V.Pathi, Â

> > > > Astrologer,

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > >

> > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM

> > > > Re: Re: Jataka and Prashna -

> > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > Sir Kursija ji,

> > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.

> > > > Here i would like to add that;

> > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public forum

> is

> > > a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on the

> > > topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic

> remains

> > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to stop their

> > > observations but dictates to end discussions without conclusion

> doesn't

> > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija (AT) (DOT)

> com>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > >Respected Dev ji,

> > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart today.

> > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit that the

> natal

> > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for the

> > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life of the

> > > native.

> > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in some

> > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When my

> > > servant will come back? etc.

> > > > >RegardsÂ

> > > > >

> > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >>axeplex axeplex >

> > > > >>

> > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna -

> > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>Â

> > > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > > >>

> > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in

> Prashna

> > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts or

> ways:

> > > > >>

> > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and accept

> what

> > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back with

> > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that

> horoary

> > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.

> > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.

> > > > >>

> > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this society.

> > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the same

> > > from you.

> > > > >>

> > > > >>regds

> > > > >>Dev

> > > > >>

> > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, " Lalkitab "

> > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such

> capabilities

> > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue his

> > > spiritual progress full throttle.

> > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of being a

> > > Tirthankar.

> > > > >>> Regards

> > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex "

> > > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > >>> >

> > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > >>> >

> > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of

> view

> > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.

> > > > >>> >

> > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas

> of

> > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):

> > > > >>> >

> > > > >>> > Stanza 15. †" That person, who has mastery of this

> > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a

> religious

> > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well

> versed

> > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a

> Daivajnya or

> > > seer.

> > > > >>> > Stanza 16. †" All the predictions made by such a person

> > > will come true and will never be false. The learned support this

> > > statement.

> > > > >>> > Stanza 18. †" He who has acquired a thorough knowledge

> of

> > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has

> > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret mantra by a

> > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > > >>> >

> > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough.

> > > > >>> >

> > > > >>> > Dev

> > > > >>> >

> > > > >>> >

> > > > >>> >

> > > > >>> >

> > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Kulbir

> Bains

> > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > >>> > >

> > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the

> spirit,

> > > whenever the

> > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get

> some

> > > guidance,

> > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > > > >>> > > Regards

> > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.

> > > > >>> > >

> > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > >>> > >

> > > > >>> > > >

> > > > >>> > > >

> > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > >>> > > >

> > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it

> is

> > > KP Horary,

> > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You

> may

> > > refer to KP

> > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)

> > > > >>> > > >

> > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes

> > > Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this chart.

> Then

> > > Ruling planets

> > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native

> > > chart). Common

> > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa

> is

> > > studied, a period

> > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then

> within

> > > that period,

> > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.

> > > > >>> > > >

> > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to

> comment

> > > on KP and you

> > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.

> > > > >>> > > >

> > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be

> understood

> > > but " Aj de taim

> > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te

> kinne

> > > astrloger ne

> > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita)

> jeende

> > > ne)

> > > > >>> > > >

> > > > >>> > > > Dev

> > > > >>> > > >

> > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount

> importance

> > > to the

> > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with

> the

> > > planetary

> > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly

> correct

> > > me if i am wrong.

> > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something

> > > divine.

> > > > >>> > > > > Regards

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and

> > > Prashna - Priority to

> > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?

> > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

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> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > Â

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

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> > > > >>> > > > >

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> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers

> horary

> > > but what is

> > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this?

> This

> > > is my question.

> > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated

> with

> > > it, then person

> > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people

> are

> > > there in this

> > > > >>> > > > world?

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > regds

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > Dev

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point

> to

> > > is one of the

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs

> PRASHNA

> > > should be given

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e.

> > > Jataka)!

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that

> is

> > > one of the

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna

> marga

> > > stands - and

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice

> given

> > > by Prashna

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is

> very

> > > good scope for

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to address

> the

> > > question - " WHY

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is

> available in

> > > Prashnamarga

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > itself).

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the

> > > intricate pointers

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil

> ji

> > > provides.

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > Lalkitab Kb

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//Â the period is bad

> > > according to birthchart

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is

> > > best //

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and

> prashana

> > > Â indications

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > are correct.

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > >>> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Sir ji,

 

Noted,

 

I am already aware about your credentials , since some time..

 

My utterances at times may be addressed to someone but directed to some

 

other one.

 

No comments on the rest..

 

Thanks for the good wishes,

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, devisigh

<devisingh.rajput wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar JI,

>

> I am Devisingh Rajput (Master of Science,Computer

> Engineer,Teacher,Lawyer,Astrologer..etc )

> (if anybody want can reach to my home through google my

> profile/data/cell everything is there on Net)......If anybody want

else

> info i am ready to give.....

>

> Please pardon me if i hurt anybody though that was not

> intention.....sharing has to be taken as wealth of thoughts for

benefit

> of astrology....

>

> Mr Dev(whoever he is)......he is different Person on this forum.....

>

> You have pointed out that leakage tank example and higher math those

> article was from me .....i left those not to trouble much others....

> Everything with me and working silently for benefit of astrology but

not

> to waste anybody time i have enjoy what i have ...just wait for season

> to come in astrology......

>

> All connected via group are friend and working for Astrology that i

can

> take granted from this group and being them consider friend is good

(at

> least Human are pron to err)

> As a senior you and other are always respected....everybody have to

live

> together in forum same as roof of god that is beauty.....

> If everything is predicted then no room for not predicted.....life is

> like River it has flow...without flow in astrology It prone to

Death....

>

> If anybody have any query from my post i can answer those because i am

> not posting without working from myside first....

>

> -I pray to God he will help to come out you from Bad health...

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Mr. Axe plex (Dev???),

> >

> > Talk to me directly.

> >

> > You are the only one who has wasted time of so many members to the

tune

> > of not hours, but days in senseless discussions. You make claims

> > constantly but when anyone asks you for some anaylsis or inputs,

> > everytime you search for escape routes and excuses, and never return

for

> > those Queries but come back with some other senseless discussion.

You

> > are just like that persdon advising in a gentry of Haircutters about

how

> > to cut hair, which example was specially meant for you.

> >

> > And stop sending mails on my personal id. I dont want to read any

> > rubbish filth nor are you so important enough to enable a reply from

me.

> >

> > You dont know the basics of astrology, why are you wasting time of

> > respected members like Shri Sunil Nairji who have lots of pearls to

> > display, but displaying before..... And you want healthy discussions

?

> > On what ? On higher mathematics ? On postings which nobody can

> > understand ? Except another fake id like yours which will come up to

> > praise you ? You want to discuss on how water leakage froma tank can

be

> > predicted ? Then discuss please. Thats what we are asking you since

last

> > 3 months to show, discuss, produce, demonstrate and support and

> > authenticate your claims, but you are talking senseless all the

times

> > and commenting on others comments ?

> >

> > You say that your responses will take time ? Do you know anything

att

> > all to respond by the way ? As usual you will expect people to

forget

> > this and come back again with something silly and want people to

listen

> > to you, which you will call as " Healthy discussion " . Thank God at

least

> > I have not wasted my time with such healthy discussions in last few

> > weeks with you.

> >

> > And you have a problem about my using terms like " Hair Stylists "

> > and " Hair cutters " . Listen I am a genuine member here who has right

to

> > comment. Before you raise a motion of opposition for me, please

prove

> > your genuinity by allowing members to know your real name, contact

> > particulars and about yourself.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > <%40>, " axeplex "

> > axeplex@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Sunilji,

> > >

> > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you have

> > raised the issue :

> > >

> > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even

in

> > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as

> > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it

will

> > only leads to further healthy discussion .///

> > >

> > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name, there is

no

> > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a healthy

> > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like " hair

cutting " ,

> > " hair stylists " etc. At least, I don't think this group is a hair

> > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss privately

on

> > your mail id.

> > >

> > > My responses may take time....

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > <%40>, " Sunil "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji

> > > >

> > > > Namaskar and pranams

> > > >

> > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up

> > > >

> > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not as

a

> > reply

> > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon me in

> > case of

> > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good person

)

> > > >

> > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this ---

when

> > the

> > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil take

??

> > > > natal or prashna for guidance .

> > > >

> > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi etc )

and

> > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the

events

> > and

> > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the time of

birth

> > (

> > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya )

..So

> > the

> > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for old

> > learned

> > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how many

> > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the oil

> > consumed

> > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the delivery

room

> > etc

> > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa

methods

> > and

> > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported birth

time

> > is

> > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .

> > > >

> > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a

tree or

> > in

> > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> > > >

> > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala is

not

> > the

> > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign or

udaya

> > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising sign

will

> > b 2

> > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in dark

and

> > in

> > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of emergency

the

> > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has more

> > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient

> > > >

> > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has various

methods

> > > > and application and implications

> > > >

> > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple town of

> > culture

> > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this

> > > >

> > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart but

they

> > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its future

effect

> > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they

prescribe

> > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .

> > > >

> > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one man

> > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said yes

> > ,then

> > > > he described an event what happened in his life

> > > >

> > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to

attent

> > some

> > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was office

> > bearer

> > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical

> > assossiation

> > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a nativ

of

> > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he need

to

> > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead and

i

> > dont

> > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the frnd

> > doctor

> > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd asked

him

> > to

> > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was not

> > willing

> > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not having

any

> > birth

> > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon or

moon

> > sign

> > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of birth

of

> > his

> > > > kids .

> > > >

> > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My

eldest

> > > > daughter only rgrds to her education

> > > >

> > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that u

wanted

> > to

> > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b so

,but

> > she

> > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it

those

> > days

> > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into MBBS

when

> > the

> > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the purticular

> > stream

> > > > she wanted and final option was gynac

> > > >

> > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying why

did

> > not

> > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life

> > > >

> > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more

> > > >

> > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola

prashna

> > etc

> > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and may

b in

> > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .

> > > >

> > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a

purticular

> > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) they r

> > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well being of

a

> > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any Birth

> > charts

> > > > individualy but declare results independently for each memebr in

> > family

> > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b 100 to

300

> > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some Mag

in a

> > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji conducted

such

> > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single

prashna )

> > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna and

the

> > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many of

the

> > events

> > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the details

he

> > was

> > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there will b

2

> > grps

> > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who is

> > arguing

> > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's and

hora s

> > --

> > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv this or

i

> > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt

> > efficacy

> > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called

moderators

> > are

> > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand u as

> > trouble

> > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of tradition

..

> > > >

> > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even

in

> > grp

> > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > >

> > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth

time as

> > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it

> > will

> > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .

> > > >

> > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let me

> > conclud

> > > > here

> > > >

> > > > thanks and with regrds

> > > >

> > > > sunil nair

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>, venkatachala

pathi

> > > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sirs,

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology) is

> > primarily

> > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events

in

> > one's

> > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or

action,

> > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of

Natal's

> > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the

> > 'results'

> > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school

of

> > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before Standard

Time

> > was

> > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in

giving

> > the

> > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a few

give

> > the

> > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head or

> > part

> > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is

removed

> > from

> > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time given

by a

> > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her

mother

> > that

> > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÂ

> > > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on

the

> > > > correct time 'given' to him.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to 'second'

> > becomes

> > > > important to study the birth chart of both children, as few

> > > > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda'

-Â

> > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the position ofÂ

> > Planets

> > > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will

> > note

> > > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as

'at

> > > > face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread'

their

> > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a

> > perticular

> > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer to

> > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will 'shorten'

to

> > arrive

> > > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time

consuming

> > > > analysis under Dasha system.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the moment

of

> > the

> > > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth

charts,

> > and

> > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are

simple

> > and

> > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and

years

> > of

> > > > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help to

> > find

> > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to

> > correct

> > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen

> > acceptedÂ

> > > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive atÂ

possible

> > date

> > > > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an

Election

> > and

> > > > more practical and immediate events for which instant

> > results

> > > > are required.

> > > > >

> > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great Astrologer

Guru

> > > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many

Astrologers

> > near

> > > > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event

questions'

> > with

> > > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and

practice

> > with

> > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of

Astrology.

> > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct

> > 'Predictive

> > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of

hues,

> > while

> > > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > A.V.Pathi, Â

> > > > > Astrologer,

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: Jataka and Prashna

-

> > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Sir Kursija ji,

> > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.

> > > > > Here i would like to add that;

> > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public

forum

> > is

> > > > a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on

the

> > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic

> > remains

> > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to stopÂ

their

> > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without conclusion

> > doesn't

> > > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija (AT) (DOT)

> > com>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > >Respected Dev ji,

> > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart

today.

> > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit that

the

> > natal

> > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for

the

> > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life of

the

> > > > native.

> > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in

some

> > > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When

my

> > > > servant will come back? etc.

> > > > > >RegardsÂ

> > > > > >

> > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna

-

> > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>Â

> > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in

> > Prashna

> > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts

or

> > ways:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and

accept

> > what

> > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back

with

> > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that

> > horoary

> > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.

> > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this

society.

> > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the

same

> > > > from you.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>regds

> > > > > >>Dev

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology,

" Lalkitab "

> > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such

> > capabilities

> > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue

his

> > > > spiritual progress full throttle.

> > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of

being a

> > > > Tirthankar.

> > > > > >>> Regards

> > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology,

" axeplex "

> > > > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point

of

> > view

> > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are

slokas

> > of

> > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. âEUR " That person, who has mastery of this

> > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a

> > religious

> > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well

> > versed

> > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a

> > Daivajnya or

> > > > seer.

> > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. âEUR " All the predictions made by such a

person

> > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned support this

> > > > statement.

> > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. âEUR " He who has acquired a thorough

knowledge

> > of

> > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who

has

> > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret mantra by

a

> > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had

enough.

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > Dev

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology,

Kulbir

> > Bains

> > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the

> > spirit,

> > > > whenever the

> > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get

> > some

> > > > guidance,

> > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > > > > >>> > > Regards

> > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@>

wrote:

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But

when it

> > is

> > > > KP Horary,

> > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I

know)(You

> > may

> > > > refer to KP

> > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that

fixes

> > > > Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this

chart.

> > Then

> > > > Ruling planets

> > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not

native

> > > > chart). Common

> > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari

Dasa

> > is

> > > > studied, a period

> > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then

> > within

> > > > that period,

> > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to

> > comment

> > > > on KP and you

> > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be

> > understood

> > > > but " Aj de taim

> > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne.

Te

> > kinne

> > > > astrloger ne

> > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar

samhita)

> > jeende

> > > > ne)

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > Dev

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount

> > importance

> > > > to the

> > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide

with

> > the

> > > > planetary

> > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly

> > correct

> > > > me if i am wrong.

> > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by

something

> > > > divine.

> > > > > >>> > > > > Regards

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka

and

> > > > Prashna - Priority to

> > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?

> > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Ã,

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg

prefers

> > horary

> > > > but what is

> > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of

this?

> > This

> > > > is my question.

> > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated

> > with

> > > > it, then person

> > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such

people

> > are

> > > > there in this

> > > > > >>> > > > world?

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > regds

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Dev

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com,

> > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to

point

> > to

> > > > is one of the

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs

> > PRASHNA

> > > > should be given

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart -

i.e.

> > > > Jataka)!

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and

that

> > is

> > > > one of the

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna

> > marga

> > > > stands - and

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important

advice

> > given

> > > > by Prashna

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there

is

> > very

> > > > good scope for

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to

address

> > the

> > > > question - " WHY

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is

> > available in

> > > > Prashnamarga

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the

> > > > intricate pointers

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge

Sunil

> > ji

> > > > provides.

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com,

> > > > Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//ÃfâEURs( the period

is bad

> > > > according to birthchart

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna ÃfâEURs( revealed the period is

> > > > bestÃfâEURs( //

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and

> > prashana

> > > > ÃfâEURs( indications

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > are correct.

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

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[Guest guest]

Dear Devi Singh ji,

Lalkitab has provided a table for annual transit of planets upto 120 years. I

have seen best of mathematicians, software engineers, astrologers etc. trying to

decode the formula but with no success. kindly give it a try.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

, devisigh <devisingh.rajput

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar JI,

>

> I am Devisingh Rajput (Master of Science,Computer

> Engineer,Teacher,Lawyer,Astrologer..etc )

> (if anybody want can reach to my home through google my

> profile/data/cell everything is there on Net)......If anybody want else

> info i am ready to give.....

>

> Please pardon me if i hurt anybody though that was not

> intention.....sharing has to be taken as wealth of thoughts for benefit

> of astrology....

>

> Mr Dev(whoever he is)......he is different Person on this forum.....

>

> You have pointed out that leakage tank example and higher math those

> article was from me .....i left those not to trouble much others....

> Everything with me and working silently for benefit of astrology but not

> to waste anybody time i have enjoy what i have ...just wait for season

> to come in astrology......

>

> All connected via group are friend and working for Astrology that i can

> take granted from this group and being them consider friend is good (at

> least Human are pron to err)

> As a senior you and other are always respected....everybody have to live

> together in forum same as roof of god that is beauty.....

> If everything is predicted then no room for not predicted.....life is

> like River it has flow...without flow in astrology It prone to Death....

>

> If anybody have any query from my post i can answer those because i am

> not posting without working from myside first....

>

> -I pray to God he will help to come out you from Bad health...

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Mr. Axe plex (Dev???),

> >

> > Talk to me directly.

> >

> > You are the only one who has wasted time of so many members to the tune

> > of not hours, but days in senseless discussions. You make claims

> > constantly but when anyone asks you for some anaylsis or inputs,

> > everytime you search for escape routes and excuses, and never return for

> > those Queries but come back with some other senseless discussion. You

> > are just like that persdon advising in a gentry of Haircutters about how

> > to cut hair, which example was specially meant for you.

> >

> > And stop sending mails on my personal id. I dont want to read any

> > rubbish filth nor are you so important enough to enable a reply from me.

> >

> > You dont know the basics of astrology, why are you wasting time of

> > respected members like Shri Sunil Nairji who have lots of pearls to

> > display, but displaying before..... And you want healthy discussions ?

> > On what ? On higher mathematics ? On postings which nobody can

> > understand ? Except another fake id like yours which will come up to

> > praise you ? You want to discuss on how water leakage froma tank can be

> > predicted ? Then discuss please. Thats what we are asking you since last

> > 3 months to show, discuss, produce, demonstrate and support and

> > authenticate your claims, but you are talking senseless all the times

> > and commenting on others comments ?

> >

> > You say that your responses will take time ? Do you know anything att

> > all to respond by the way ? As usual you will expect people to forget

> > this and come back again with something silly and want people to listen

> > to you, which you will call as " Healthy discussion " . Thank God at least

> > I have not wasted my time with such healthy discussions in last few

> > weeks with you.

> >

> > And you have a problem about my using terms like " Hair Stylists "

> > and " Hair cutters " . Listen I am a genuine member here who has right to

> > comment. Before you raise a motion of opposition for me, please prove

> > your genuinity by allowing members to know your real name, contact

> > particulars and about yourself.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > <%40>, " axeplex "

> > <axeplex@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Sunilji,

> > >

> > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you have

> > raised the issue :

> > >

> > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even in

> > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as

> > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it will

> > only leads to further healthy discussion .///

> > >

> > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name, there is no

> > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a healthy

> > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like " hair cutting " ,

> > " hair stylists " etc. At least, I don't think this group is a hair

> > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss privately on

> > your mail id.

> > >

> > > My responses may take time....

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > <%40>, " Sunil "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji

> > > >

> > > > Namaskar and pranams

> > > >

> > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up

> > > >

> > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not as a

> > reply

> > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon me in

> > case of

> > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good person )

> > > >

> > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this --- when

> > the

> > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil take ??

> > > > natal or prashna for guidance .

> > > >

> > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi etc ) and

> > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the events

> > and

> > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the time of birth

> > (

> > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya ) .So

> > the

> > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for old

> > learned

> > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how many

> > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the oil

> > consumed

> > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the delivery room

> > etc

> > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa methods

> > and

> > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported birth time

> > is

> > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .

> > > >

> > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a tree or

> > in

> > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> > > >

> > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala is not

> > the

> > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign or udaya

> > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising sign will

> > b 2

> > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in dark and

> > in

> > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of emergency the

> > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has more

> > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient

> > > >

> > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has various methods

> > > > and application and implications

> > > >

> > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple town of

> > culture

> > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this

> > > >

> > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart but they

> > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its future effect

> > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they prescribe

> > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .

> > > >

> > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one man

> > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said yes

> > ,then

> > > > he described an event what happened in his life

> > > >

> > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to attent

> > some

> > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was office

> > bearer

> > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical

> > assossiation

> > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a nativ of

> > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he need to

> > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead and i

> > dont

> > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the frnd

> > doctor

> > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd asked him

> > to

> > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was not

> > willing

> > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not having any

> > birth

> > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon or moon

> > sign

> > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of birth of

> > his

> > > > kids .

> > > >

> > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My eldest

> > > > daughter only rgrds to her education

> > > >

> > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that u wanted

> > to

> > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b so ,but

> > she

> > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it those

> > days

> > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into MBBS when

> > the

> > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the purticular

> > stream

> > > > she wanted and final option was gynac

> > > >

> > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying why did

> > not

> > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life

> > > >

> > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more

> > > >

> > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola prashna

> > etc

> > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and may b in

> > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .

> > > >

> > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a purticular

> > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) they r

> > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well being of a

> > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any Birth

> > charts

> > > > individualy but declare results independently for each memebr in

> > family

> > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b 100 to 300

> > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some Mag in a

> > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji conducted such

> > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single prashna )

> > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna and the

> > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many of the

> > events

> > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the details he

> > was

> > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there will b 2

> > grps

> > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who is

> > arguing

> > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's and hora s

> > --

> > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv this or i

> > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt

> > efficacy

> > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called moderators

> > are

> > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand u as

> > trouble

> > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of tradition .

> > > >

> > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even in

> > grp

> > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > >

> > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as

> > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it

> > will

> > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .

> > > >

> > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let me

> > conclud

> > > > here

> > > >

> > > > thanks and with regrds

> > > >

> > > > sunil nair

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>, venkatachala pathi

> > > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sirs,

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology) is

> > primarily

> > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events in

> > one's

> > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or action,

> > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of Natal's

> > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the

> > 'results'

> > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school of

> > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before Standard Time

> > was

> > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in giving

> > the

> > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a few give

> > the

> > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head or

> > part

> > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is removed

> > from

> > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time given by a

> > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her mother

> > that

> > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÂ

> > > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on the

> > > > correct time 'given' to him.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to 'second'

> > becomes

> > > > important to study the birth chart of both children, as few

> > > > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda' -Â

> > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the position ofÂ

> > Planets

> > > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will

> > note

> > > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as 'at

> > > > face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread' their

> > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a

> > perticular

> > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer to

> > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will 'shorten' to

> > arrive

> > > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time consuming

> > > > analysis under Dasha system.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the moment of

> > the

> > > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth charts,

> > and

> > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are simple

> > and

> > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and years

> > of

> > > > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help to

> > find

> > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to

> > correct

> > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen

> > acceptedÂ

> > > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive at possible

> > date

> > > > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an Election

> > and

> > > > more practical and immediate events for which instant

> > results

> > > > are required.

> > > > >

> > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great Astrologer Guru

> > > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many Astrologers

> > near

> > > > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event questions'

> > with

> > > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and practice

> > with

> > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of Astrology.

> > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct

> > 'Predictive

> > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of hues,

> > while

> > > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > A.V.Pathi, Â

> > > > > Astrologer,

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: Jataka and Prashna -

> > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Sir Kursija ji,

> > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.

> > > > > Here i would like to add that;

> > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public forum

> > is

> > > > a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on the

> > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic

> > remains

> > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to stop their

> > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without conclusion

> > doesn't

> > > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija (AT) (DOT)

> > com>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > >Respected Dev ji,

> > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart today.

> > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit that the

> > natal

> > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for the

> > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life of the

> > > > native.

> > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in some

> > > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When my

> > > > servant will come back? etc.

> > > > > >RegardsÂ

> > > > > >

> > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna -

> > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>Â

> > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in

> > Prashna

> > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts or

> > ways:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and accept

> > what

> > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back with

> > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that

> > horoary

> > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.

> > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this society.

> > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the same

> > > > from you.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>regds

> > > > > >>Dev

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, " Lalkitab "

> > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such

> > capabilities

> > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue his

> > > > spiritual progress full throttle.

> > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of being a

> > > > Tirthankar.

> > > > > >>> Regards

> > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex "

> > > > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of

> > view

> > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas

> > of

> > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. âEUR " That person, who has mastery of this

> > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a

> > religious

> > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well

> > versed

> > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a

> > Daivajnya or

> > > > seer.

> > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. âEUR " All the predictions made by such a person

> > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned support this

> > > > statement.

> > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. âEUR " He who has acquired a thorough knowledge

> > of

> > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has

> > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret mantra by a

> > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough.

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > Dev

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Kulbir

> > Bains

> > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the

> > spirit,

> > > > whenever the

> > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get

> > some

> > > > guidance,

> > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > > > > >>> > > Regards

> > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it

> > is

> > > > KP Horary,

> > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You

> > may

> > > > refer to KP

> > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes

> > > > Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this chart.

> > Then

> > > > Ruling planets

> > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native

> > > > chart). Common

> > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa

> > is

> > > > studied, a period

> > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then

> > within

> > > > that period,

> > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to

> > comment

> > > > on KP and you

> > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be

> > understood

> > > > but " Aj de taim

> > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te

> > kinne

> > > > astrloger ne

> > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita)

> > jeende

> > > > ne)

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > Dev

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount

> > importance

> > > > to the

> > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with

> > the

> > > > planetary

> > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly

> > correct

> > > > me if i am wrong.

> > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something

> > > > divine.

> > > > > >>> > > > > Regards

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and

> > > > Prashna - Priority to

> > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?

> > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

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> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Ã,

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers

> > horary

> > > > but what is

> > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this?

> > This

> > > > is my question.

> > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated

> > with

> > > > it, then person

> > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people

> > are

> > > > there in this

> > > > > >>> > > > world?

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > regds

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Dev

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point

> > to

> > > > is one of the

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs

> > PRASHNA

> > > > should be given

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e.

> > > > Jataka)!

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that

> > is

> > > > one of the

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna

> > marga

> > > > stands - and

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice

> > given

> > > > by Prashna

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is

> > very

> > > > good scope for

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to address

> > the

> > > > question - " WHY

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is

> > available in

> > > > Prashnamarga

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the

> > > > intricate pointers

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil

> > ji

> > > > provides.

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//ÃfâEURs( the period is bad

> > > > according to birthchart

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna ÃfâEURs( revealed the period is

> > > > bestÃfâEURs( //

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and

> > prashana

> > > > ÃfâEURs( indications

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > are correct.

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear DeviSinghji,

 

I will support Kulbhir Bhai, Please give it a try.

We might get benefited from you.

 

Thankyou,

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

 

, " Lalkitab " <lalkitabkb

wrote:

>

> Dear Devi Singh ji,

> Lalkitab has provided a table for annual transit of planets upto 120 years. I

have seen best of mathematicians, software engineers, astrologers etc. trying to

decode the formula but with no success. kindly give it a try.

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> , devisigh <devisingh.rajput@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar JI,

> >

> > I am Devisingh Rajput (Master of Science,Computer

> > Engineer,Teacher,Lawyer,Astrologer..etc )

> > (if anybody want can reach to my home through google my

> > profile/data/cell everything is there on Net)......If anybody want else

> > info i am ready to give.....

> >

> > Please pardon me if i hurt anybody though that was not

> > intention.....sharing has to be taken as wealth of thoughts for benefit

> > of astrology....

> >

> > Mr Dev(whoever he is)......he is different Person on this forum.....

> >

> > You have pointed out that leakage tank example and higher math those

> > article was from me .....i left those not to trouble much others....

> > Everything with me and working silently for benefit of astrology but not

> > to waste anybody time i have enjoy what i have ...just wait for season

> > to come in astrology......

> >

> > All connected via group are friend and working for Astrology that i can

> > take granted from this group and being them consider friend is good (at

> > least Human are pron to err)

> > As a senior you and other are always respected....everybody have to live

> > together in forum same as roof of god that is beauty.....

> > If everything is predicted then no room for not predicted.....life is

> > like River it has flow...without flow in astrology It prone to Death....

> >

> > If anybody have any query from my post i can answer those because i am

> > not posting without working from myside first....

> >

> > -I pray to God he will help to come out you from Bad health...

> > ------------------

> > Regards,

> > Devisingh

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mr. Axe plex (Dev???),

> > >

> > > Talk to me directly.

> > >

> > > You are the only one who has wasted time of so many members to the tune

> > > of not hours, but days in senseless discussions. You make claims

> > > constantly but when anyone asks you for some anaylsis or inputs,

> > > everytime you search for escape routes and excuses, and never return for

> > > those Queries but come back with some other senseless discussion. You

> > > are just like that persdon advising in a gentry of Haircutters about how

> > > to cut hair, which example was specially meant for you.

> > >

> > > And stop sending mails on my personal id. I dont want to read any

> > > rubbish filth nor are you so important enough to enable a reply from me.

> > >

> > > You dont know the basics of astrology, why are you wasting time of

> > > respected members like Shri Sunil Nairji who have lots of pearls to

> > > display, but displaying before..... And you want healthy discussions ?

> > > On what ? On higher mathematics ? On postings which nobody can

> > > understand ? Except another fake id like yours which will come up to

> > > praise you ? You want to discuss on how water leakage froma tank can be

> > > predicted ? Then discuss please. Thats what we are asking you since last

> > > 3 months to show, discuss, produce, demonstrate and support and

> > > authenticate your claims, but you are talking senseless all the times

> > > and commenting on others comments ?

> > >

> > > You say that your responses will take time ? Do you know anything att

> > > all to respond by the way ? As usual you will expect people to forget

> > > this and come back again with something silly and want people to listen

> > > to you, which you will call as " Healthy discussion " . Thank God at least

> > > I have not wasted my time with such healthy discussions in last few

> > > weeks with you.

> > >

> > > And you have a problem about my using terms like " Hair Stylists "

> > > and " Hair cutters " . Listen I am a genuine member here who has right to

> > > comment. Before you raise a motion of opposition for me, please prove

> > > your genuinity by allowing members to know your real name, contact

> > > particulars and about yourself.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > > <%40>, " axeplex "

> > > <axeplex@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sunilji,

> > > >

> > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you have

> > > raised the issue :

> > > >

> > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even in

> > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as

> > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it will

> > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name, there is no

> > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a healthy

> > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like " hair cutting " ,

> > > " hair stylists " etc. At least, I don't think this group is a hair

> > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss privately on

> > > your mail id.

> > > >

> > > > My responses may take time....

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > <%40>, " Sunil "

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar and pranams

> > > > >

> > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up

> > > > >

> > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not as a

> > > reply

> > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon me in

> > > case of

> > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good person )

> > > > >

> > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this --- when

> > > the

> > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil take ??

> > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .

> > > > >

> > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi etc ) and

> > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the events

> > > and

> > > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the time of birth

> > > (

> > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya ) .So

> > > the

> > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for old

> > > learned

> > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how many

> > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the oil

> > > consumed

> > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the delivery room

> > > etc

> > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa methods

> > > and

> > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported birth time

> > > is

> > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .

> > > > >

> > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a tree or

> > > in

> > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> > > > >

> > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala is not

> > > the

> > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign or udaya

> > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising sign will

> > > b 2

> > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in dark and

> > > in

> > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of emergency the

> > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has more

> > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient

> > > > >

> > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has various methods

> > > > > and application and implications

> > > > >

> > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple town of

> > > culture

> > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this

> > > > >

> > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart but they

> > > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its future effect

> > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they prescribe

> > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .

> > > > >

> > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one man

> > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said yes

> > > ,then

> > > > > he described an event what happened in his life

> > > > >

> > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to attent

> > > some

> > > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was office

> > > bearer

> > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical

> > > assossiation

> > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a nativ of

> > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he need to

> > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead and i

> > > dont

> > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the frnd

> > > doctor

> > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd asked him

> > > to

> > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was not

> > > willing

> > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not having any

> > > birth

> > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon or moon

> > > sign

> > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of birth of

> > > his

> > > > > kids .

> > > > >

> > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My eldest

> > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education

> > > > >

> > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that u wanted

> > > to

> > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b so ,but

> > > she

> > > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it those

> > > days

> > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into MBBS when

> > > the

> > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the purticular

> > > stream

> > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac

> > > > >

> > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying why did

> > > not

> > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life

> > > > >

> > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more

> > > > >

> > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola prashna

> > > etc

> > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and may b in

> > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .

> > > > >

> > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a purticular

> > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) they r

> > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well being of a

> > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any Birth

> > > charts

> > > > > individualy but declare results independently for each memebr in

> > > family

> > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b 100 to 300

> > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some Mag in a

> > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji conducted such

> > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single prashna )

> > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna and the

> > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many of the

> > > events

> > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the details he

> > > was

> > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there will b 2

> > > grps

> > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who is

> > > arguing

> > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's and hora s

> > > --

> > > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv this or i

> > > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt

> > > efficacy

> > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called moderators

> > > are

> > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand u as

> > > trouble

> > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of tradition .

> > > > >

> > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even in

> > > grp

> > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > >

> > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as

> > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it

> > > will

> > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .

> > > > >

> > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let me

> > > conclud

> > > > > here

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks and with regrds

> > > > >

> > > > > sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > <%40>, venkatachala pathi

> > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology) is

> > > primarily

> > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events in

> > > one's

> > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or action,

> > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of Natal's

> > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the

> > > 'results'

> > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school of

> > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before Standard Time

> > > was

> > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in giving

> > > the

> > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a few give

> > > the

> > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head or

> > > part

> > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is removed

> > > from

> > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time given by a

> > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her mother

> > > that

> > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÂ

> > > > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on the

> > > > > correct time 'given' to him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to 'second'

> > > becomes

> > > > > important to study the birth chart of both children, as few

> > > > > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda' -Â

> > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the position ofÂ

> > > Planets

> > > > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will

> > > note

> > > > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as 'at

> > > > > face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread' their

> > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a

> > > perticular

> > > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer to

> > > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will 'shorten' to

> > > arrive

> > > > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time consuming

> > > > > analysis under Dasha system.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the moment of

> > > the

> > > > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth charts,

> > > and

> > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are simple

> > > and

> > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and years

> > > of

> > > > > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help to

> > > find

> > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to

> > > correct

> > > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen

> > > acceptedÂ

> > > > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive at possible

> > > date

> > > > > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an Election

> > > and

> > > > > more practical and immediate events for which instant

> > > results

> > > > > are required.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great Astrologer Guru

> > > > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many Astrologers

> > > near

> > > > > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event questions'

> > > with

> > > > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and practice

> > > with

> > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of Astrology.

> > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct

> > > 'Predictive

> > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of hues,

> > > while

> > > > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > A.V.Pathi, Â

> > > > > > Astrologer,

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM

> > > > > > Re: Re: Jataka and Prashna -

> > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,

> > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.

> > > > > > Here i would like to add that;

> > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public forum

> > > is

> > > > > a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on the

> > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic

> > > remains

> > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to stop their

> > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without conclusion

> > > doesn't

> > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija (AT) (DOT)

> > > com>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,

> > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart today.

> > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit that the

> > > natal

> > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for the

> > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life of the

> > > > > native.

> > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in some

> > > > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When my

> > > > > servant will come back? etc.

> > > > > > >RegardsÂ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna -

> > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>Â

> > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in

> > > Prashna

> > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts or

> > > ways:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and accept

> > > what

> > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back with

> > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that

> > > horoary

> > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.

> > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this society.

> > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the same

> > > > > from you.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>regds

> > > > > > >>Dev

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, " Lalkitab "

> > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such

> > > capabilities

> > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue his

> > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.

> > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of being a

> > > > > Tirthankar.

> > > > > > >>> Regards

> > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex "

> > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of

> > > view

> > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas

> > > of

> > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. âEUR " That person, who has mastery of this

> > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a

> > > religious

> > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well

> > > versed

> > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a

> > > Daivajnya or

> > > > > seer.

> > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. âEUR " All the predictions made by such a person

> > > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned support this

> > > > > statement.

> > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. âEUR " He who has acquired a thorough knowledge

> > > of

> > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has

> > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret mantra by a

> > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Dev

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Kulbir

> > > Bains

> > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the

> > > spirit,

> > > > > whenever the

> > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get

> > > some

> > > > > guidance,

> > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > > > > > >>> > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it

> > > is

> > > > > KP Horary,

> > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You

> > > may

> > > > > refer to KP

> > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes

> > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this chart.

> > > Then

> > > > > Ruling planets

> > > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native

> > > > > chart). Common

> > > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa

> > > is

> > > > > studied, a period

> > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then

> > > within

> > > > > that period,

> > > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to

> > > comment

> > > > > on KP and you

> > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be

> > > understood

> > > > > but " Aj de taim

> > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te

> > > kinne

> > > > > astrloger ne

> > > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita)

> > > jeende

> > > > > ne)

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > Dev

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount

> > > importance

> > > > > to the

> > > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with

> > > the

> > > > > planetary

> > > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly

> > > correct

> > > > > me if i am wrong.

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something

> > > > > divine.

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and

> > > > > Prashna - Priority to

> > > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?

> > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

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> > > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,

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> > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers

> > > horary

> > > > > but what is

> > > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this?

> > > This

> > > > > is my question.

> > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated

> > > with

> > > > > it, then person

> > > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people

> > > are

> > > > > there in this

> > > > > > >>> > > > world?

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> > > > > > >>> > > > > regds

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

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> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point

> > > to

> > > > > is one of the

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs

> > > PRASHNA

> > > > > should be given

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e.

> > > > > Jataka)!

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that

> > > is

> > > > > one of the

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna

> > > marga

> > > > > stands - and

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice

> > > given

> > > > > by Prashna

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is

> > > very

> > > > > good scope for

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to address

> > > the

> > > > > question - " WHY

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is

> > > available in

> > > > > Prashnamarga

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the

> > > > > intricate pointers

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil

> > > ji

> > > > > provides.

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > > Lalkitab Kb

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> > > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

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> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//ÃfâEURs( the period is bad

> > > > > according to birthchart

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna ÃfâEURs( revealed the period is

> > > > > bestÃfâEURs( //

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and

> > > prashana

> > > > > ÃfâEURs( indications

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Dear dev Ji u wrote -(If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday willing to learn))Pls stick to the norms of discussion ,i was expecting u to explain first what is the basis of natal chart as per our agreement .As i know once if u able to say that fact then u urself will hav answers for the discussions under tread which we r doing in grp .Here it is immaterial for me who supports me or who said what 'cause astrological thoughts which laid foundations for astro basics cannot b determined by vote of counting .So dont Look for shoulders to fire on somebody and keep firing stght .Again u r saying Horary is using of simple transit chart blah blah ,if so then what is birth chart ??can u illuminate me >R we like ravan Ji has power to command planets to sit in purticular house s ( during the birth of his son IndraJit ) for a birth chart ??I expect ppl of ur stature to pr0nounce theories and dictums or sidhantha s in grp discussions only what u digested ( assimilated and find it is working which u find over a period of time ) than what is not digested and just vomiting around everything what ever comes in mind or what ever u read in net and grps in the name of astrology and discussions ( sorry to say this way -after lot of time waisting i still find u hav eagerness to Know ( i dont know if it for learning ) but no humbleness to ask plainly which is required for a Jyothishi or student and ur ego is not allowing u to do so too .What i should or some body should understand frm the above statemnt of ur s --is it horary astrology is my invention and i am doing some crime by propogating it and it dont hav any scientific ( sastraic )basis ) ??so pls strt explaining why we shud use Birthcharts for seeing the future of a Human being ( let us forget other Living and non Living entities at present )and its basis ,what is its philosophical ,religious ,dharmic basis ?? can U explain How the so called birth chart can influence a person tru out his life according to ur own understanding.rgrds sunil nair , "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Thanks for your advice Sunilji. > As I have understood "Except that when native visits you, I can not relate anything logically to Horary chart". If there is something scientific, it seems more of using present transits or similar terms and applying yearly chart to natal chart. But yes, for some questions like (as Kursija ji wrote) who would win the match, shall I get my money back, horary holds upper hand due to its easy application.> > If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday willing to learn.> > regds> Dev> > > , "Sunil" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > Dear Dev JI> > > > We can discuss in grps abt anything acdemicaly, provided we r here for> > sharing exprnces/knowledge ,at times when some body knows some thing> > for sure -as good as Lines in his hand he may b stubborn and dont think> > that it is some sort of dry argumnt or arguemnt due to some ego or> > idealism> > > > u asked me in prvt and in grp the scientific basis of prashna astrology> > and u the No-1 in argeing that prashna is nothing but natal chart> > prevails .how this both will tally ( what i said was in case of results> > of both diffrs then go by prashna than Natal chart again that is> > traditional prashna mostly- it is where astrologers devine grace and> > blessings frm guru and dharma devata s help him )> > > > so if u control urself and come to real mode of discussions then i dont> > think any one will try to hamper ur discussions> > > > i used to get many mails frm Kaul camps ,science of astrology (actualy> > they want reply in modern physical science terms than astrology itself> > is a sastra of its own ) camps ,and even frm self declared Blessed by> > Ma or this or that camps and persons himself who thinks they hav right> > to demolish everything .i used to ignore all this mails due to personal> > problems and commitments .> > > > some one frm last 5 months is senting me a grp CC mail that he decoded> > swami vivekanda chart and all the other gurus are farce and he is the> > one selected by Ma as saviour of astrology .And he has many undigested (> > he himself dont know how to appy it ) theorems .even he mentions my> > name many times in various grps who dont dare to argue with him> > > > so in net world all this is possible .> > > > if u r in for proper discussions where all of us can learn or> > upgrade/update our understanding and Knowledge ,then i dont think there> > will b distractions ,even if any pls learn to ignore it> > > > so in the Long run u will find that it was all nothing if u r serious> > abt ur approach in grp discussions ( it shud not b Like declarations> > that narayana dasa is superior and i can show u and then vanish )> > > > so all the best for u and let us strt discussing> > > > due to my time limit many days i may not reply u but there is so many> > memebrs in our forum and they will also b guiding us> > > > with rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Sunilji,> > >> > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you have> > raised the issue :> > >> > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even in > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-> > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as> > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it will> > only leads to further healthy discussion .///> > >> > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name, there is no> > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a healthy> > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like "hair cutting",> > "hair stylists" etc. At least, I don't think this group is a hair> > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss privately on> > your mail id.> > >> > > My responses may take time....> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > >> > > , "Sunil"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji> > > >> > > > Namaskar and pranams> > > >> > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up> > > >> > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not as a> > reply> > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon me in> > case of> > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good person )> > > >> > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this --- when> > the> > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil take ??> > > > natal or prashna for guidance .> > > >> > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi etc ) and> > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the events> > and> > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the time of birth> > (> > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya ) .So> > the> > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for old> > learned> > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how many> > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the oil> > consumed> > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the delivery room> > etc> > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa methods> > and> > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported birth time> > is> > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .> > > >> > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a tree or> > in> > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned> > > >> > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala is not> > the> > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign or udaya> > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising sign will> > b 2> > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in dark and> > in> > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of emergency the> > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has more> > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient> > > >> > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has various> > methods> > > > and application and implications> > > >> > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple town of> > culture> > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this> > > >> > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart but they> > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its future effect> > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they prescribe> > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .> > > >> > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one man> > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said yes> > ,then> > > > he described an event what happened in his life> > > >> > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to attent> > some> > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was office> > bearer> > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical> > assossiation> > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a nativ of> > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he need to> > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead and i> > dont> > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the frnd> > doctor> > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd asked him> > to> > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was not> > willing> > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not having any> > birth> > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon or moon> > sign> > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of birth of> > his> > > > kids .> > > >> > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My eldest> > > > daughter only rgrds to her education> > > >> > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that u> > wanted to> > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b so ,but> > she> > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it those> > days> > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into MBBS when> > the> > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the purticular> > stream> > > > she wanted and final option was gynac> > > >> > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying why did> > not> > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life> > > >> > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more> > > >> > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola prashna> > etc> > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and may b in> > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .> > > >> > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a purticular> > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) they r> > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well being of a> > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any Birth> > charts> > > > individualy but declare results independently for each memebr in> > family> > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b 100 to 300> > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some Mag in a> > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji conducted> > such> > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single prashna> > )> > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna and the> > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many of the> > events> > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the details he> > was> > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there will b 2> > grps> > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who is> > arguing> > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's and hora s> > --> > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv this or i> > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt> > efficacy> > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called moderators> > are> > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand u as> > trouble> > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of tradition .> > > >> > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even in > > grp> > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > >> > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-> > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as> > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it> > will> > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .> > > >> > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let me> > conclud> > > > here> > > >> > > > thanks and with regrds> > > >> > > > sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , venkatachala pathi> > > > <pathiav@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Sirs,> > > > >> > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology) is> > primarily> > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events in> > one's> > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or action,> > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of Natal's> > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the> > 'results'> > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school of> > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before Standard Time> > was> > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in giving> > the> > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a few give> > the> > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head or> > part> > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is removed> > from> > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time given by a> > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her mother> > that> > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÂ> > > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on the> > > > correct time 'given' to him.> > > > >> > > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to 'second'> > becomes> > > > important to study the birth chart of both children, as few> > > > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda' -Â> > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the position ofÂ> > Planets> > > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will> > note> > > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as 'at> > > > face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread'> > their> > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a> > perticular> > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer to> > > > 'cast' result of a given event. This method will 'shorten' to> > arrive> > > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time consuming> > > > analysis under Dasha system.> > > > >> > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the moment of> > the> > > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth charts,> > and> > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are simple> > and> > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and years> > of> > > > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help to> > find> > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to> > correct> > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen> > acceptedÂ> > > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive at possible> > date> > > > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an Election> > and> > > > more practical and immediate events for which instant> > results> > > > are required.> > > > >> > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great Astrologer Guru> > > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many Astrologers> > near> > > > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event questions'> > with> > > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and practice> > with> > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of Astrology.> > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct> > 'Predictive> > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of hues,> > while> > > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.> > > > > Â> > > > > A.V.Pathi, Â> > > > > Astrologer,> > > > > Â> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ________________________________> > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM> > > > > Re: Re: Jataka and Prashna -> > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > > > Sir Kursija ji,> > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.> > > > > Here i would like to add that;> > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public forum> > is> > > > a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on the> > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.> > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic> > remains> > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to stop their> > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without conclusion> > doesn't> > > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.> > > > > Regards> > > > > Kulbir Bains.  Â> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija (AT) (DOT) > > com>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > > > >Respected Dev ji,> > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart today.> > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit that the> > natal> > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for the> > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life of the> > > > native.> > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in some> > > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When my> > > > servant will come back? etc.> > > > > >RegardsÂ> > > > > >> > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna -> > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>Â> > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,> > > > > >>> > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in> > Prashna> > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts or> > ways:> > > > > >>> > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and accept> > what> > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back with> > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that> > horoary> > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.> > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.> > > > > >>> > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this society.> > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the same> > > > from you.> > > > > >>> > > > > >>regds> > > > > >>Dev> > > > > >>> > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, "Lalkitab"> > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such> > capabilities> > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.> > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue his> > > > spiritual progress full throttle.> > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of being a> > > > Tirthankar.> > > > > >>> Regards> > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point of> > view> > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas> > of> > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. â€" That person, who has mastery of this> > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a> > religious> > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well> > versed> > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a> > Daivajnya or> > > > seer.> > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. â€" All the predictions made by such a person> > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned support this> > > > statement.> > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. â€" He who has acquired a thorough knowledge> > of> > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who has> > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret mantra by a> > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had enough.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Dev> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Kulbir> > Bains> > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the> > spirit,> > > > whenever the> > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get> > some> > > > guidance,> > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.> > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.> > > > > >>> > > Regards> > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But when it> > is> > > > KP Horary,> > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You> > may> > > > refer to KP> > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)> > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that fixes> > > > Asc-Star-Sub and> > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this chart.> > Then> > > > Ruling planets> > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not native> > > > chart). Common> > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa> > is> > > > studied, a period> > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then> > within> > > > that period,> > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.> > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to> > comment> > > > on KP and you> > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.> > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be> > understood> > > > but "Aj de taim> > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te> > kinne> > > > astrloger ne> > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita)> > jeende> > > > ne)> > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > >>> > > > Dev> > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount> > importance> > > > to the> > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide with> > the> > > > planetary> > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly> > correct> > > > me if i am wrong.> > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by something> > > > divine.> > > > > >>> > > > > Regards> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and> > > > Prashna - Priority to> > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?> > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > Â> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers> > horary> > > > but what is> > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of this?> > This> > > > is my question.> > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated> > with> > > > it, then person> > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such people> > are> > > > there in this> > > > > >>> > > > world?> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > regds> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > Dev> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point> > to> > > > is one of the> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs> > PRASHNA> > > > should be given> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e.> > > > Jataka)!> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that> > is> > > > one of the> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna> > marga> > > > stands - and> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important advice> > given> > > > by Prashna> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is> > very> > > > good scope for> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to address> > the> > > > question - "WHY> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is> > available in> > > > Prashnamarga> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the> > > > intricate pointers> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil> > ji> > > > provides.> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > Lalkitab Kb> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;// the period is bad> > > > according to birthchart> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is> > > > best //> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and> > prashana> > > >  indications> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > are correct.> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8.> > Get> > > > it NOW!> > > > > >>> > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pathi ji,

Thanks. That was informative.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, venkatachala pathi

<pathiav wrote:

>

> Sirs,

>

> Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology) is primarily

enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events in one's

life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or action,

momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of Natal's

reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the 'results'

deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school of

astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before Standard Time was

introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in giving the

correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a few give the

time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head or part

of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is removed from

that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time given by a

mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her mother that

she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÂ

> morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on the

correct time 'given' to him.

>

> 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to 'second' becomes

important to study the birth chart of both children, as few

minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda' -Â

together with connected limbs. At same time, the position of Planets

in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will note

'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as 'at

face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread' their

individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a perticular

event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer to

'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will 'shorten' to arrive

at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time consuming

analysis under Dasha system.

>

> 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the moment of the

judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth charts, and

predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are simple and

could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and years of

practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help to find

an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to correct

date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen acceptedÂ

Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive at possible date

of marriage or of a child birth or success in an Election and

more practical and immediate events for which instant results

are required.

>

> The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great Astrologer Guru

Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many Astrologers near

to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event questions' with

accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and practice with

success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of Astrology.

However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct 'Predictive

Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of hues, while

Horaray astrology reduce such space.

> Â

> A.V.Pathi, Â

> Astrologer,

> Â

[Guest guest]

Sunilji,

 

Leaving blah blah aside, last time you only advised, so I am not getting

distracted what you wrote in the middle. In fact, I skipped that part while

reading.

 

Birth chart is based on when native is born. Yearly chart is based again related

to native birth details and transit charts are the existing references that

would be applied on the native chart. There is a significance since no one else

is born with exact planetary references that were existing at the time of birth

of a native.

 

regds

Dev

 

 

, " Sunil "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Dear dev Ji

>

> u wrote

> -

> (If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday willing

> to learn))

>

> Pls stick to the norms of discussion ,i was expecting u to explain

> first what is the basis of natal chart as per our agreement .As i know

> once if u able to say that fact then u urself will hav answers for the

> discussions under tread which we r doing in grp .Here it is immaterial

> for me who supports me or who said what 'cause astrological thoughts

> which laid foundations for astro basics cannot b determined by vote of

> counting .So dont Look for shoulders to fire on somebody and keep

> firing stght .

>

> Again u r saying Horary is using of simple transit chart blah blah

> ,if so then what is birth chart ??can u illuminate me >R we like ravan

> Ji has power to command planets to sit in purticular house s ( during

> the birth of his son IndraJit ) for a birth chart ??

>

>

> I expect ppl of ur stature to pr0nounce theories and dictums or

> sidhantha s in grp discussions only what u digested ( assimilated and

> find it is working which u find over a period of time ) than what is

> not digested and just vomiting around everything what ever comes in mind

> or what ever u read in net and grps in the name of astrology

> and discussions ( sorry to say this way -after lot of time waisting i

> still find u hav eagerness to Know ( i dont know if it for learning )

> but no humbleness to ask plainly which is required for a Jyothishi or

> student and ur ego is not allowing u to do so too .

>

> What i should or some body should understand frm the above statemnt of

> ur s --is it horary astrology is my invention and i am doing some crime

> by propogating it and it dont hav any scientific ( sastraic )basis ) ??

>

> so pls strt explaining why we shud use Birthcharts for seeing the

> future of a Human being ( let us forget other Living and non Living

> entities at present )and its basis ,what is its philosophical ,religious

> ,dharmic basis ?? can U explain How the so called birth chart can

> influence a person tru out his life according to ur own understanding.

>

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

>

> , " axeplex " <axeplex@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks for your advice Sunilji.

> > As I have understood " Except that when native visits you, I can not

> relate anything logically to Horary chart " . If there is something

> scientific, it seems more of using present transits or similar terms and

> applying yearly chart to natal chart. But yes, for some questions like

> (as Kursija ji wrote) who would win the match, shall I get my money

> back, horary holds upper hand due to its easy application.

> >

> > If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday willing

> to learn.

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> >

> > , " Sunil "

> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Dev JI

> > >

> > > We can discuss in grps abt anything acdemicaly, provided we r

> here for

> > > sharing exprnces/knowledge ,at times when some body knows some

> thing

> > > for sure -as good as Lines in his hand he may b stubborn and dont

> think

> > > that it is some sort of dry argumnt or arguemnt due to some ego or

> > > idealism

> > >

> > > u asked me in prvt and in grp the scientific basis of prashna

> astrology

> > > and u the No-1 in argeing that prashna is nothing but natal chart

> > > prevails .how this both will tally ( what i said was in case of

> results

> > > of both diffrs then go by prashna than Natal chart again that is

> > > traditional prashna mostly- it is where astrologers devine grace and

> > > blessings frm guru and dharma devata s help him )

> > >

> > > so if u control urself and come to real mode of discussions then i

> dont

> > > think any one will try to hamper ur discussions

> > >

> > > i used to get many mails frm Kaul camps ,science of astrology

> (actualy

> > > they want reply in modern physical science terms than astrology

> itself

> > > is a sastra of its own ) camps ,and even frm self declared Blessed

> by

> > > Ma or this or that camps and persons himself who thinks they hav

> right

> > > to demolish everything .i used to ignore all this mails due to

> personal

> > > problems and commitments .

> > >

> > > some one frm last 5 months is senting me a grp CC mail that he

> decoded

> > > swami vivekanda chart and all the other gurus are farce and he is

> the

> > > one selected by Ma as saviour of astrology .And he has many

> undigested (

> > > he himself dont know how to appy it ) theorems .even he mentions my

> > > name many times in various grps who dont dare to argue with him

> > >

> > > so in net world all this is possible .

> > >

> > > if u r in for proper discussions where all of us can learn or

> > > upgrade/update our understanding and Knowledge ,then i dont think

> there

> > > will b distractions ,even if any pls learn to ignore it

> > >

> > > so in the Long run u will find that it was all nothing if u r

> serious

> > > abt ur approach in grp discussions ( it shud not b Like declarations

> > > that narayana dasa is superior and i can show u and then vanish )

> > >

> > > so all the best for u and let us strt discussing

> > >

> > > due to my time limit many days i may not reply u but there is so

> many

> > > memebrs in our forum and they will also b guiding us

> > >

> > > with rgrds sunil nair

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " axeplex "

> <axeplex@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sunilji,

> > > >

> > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you have

> > > raised the issue :

> > > >

> > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even

> in

> > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as

> > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it

> will

> > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name, there is

> no

> > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a healthy

> > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like " hair

> cutting " ,

> > > " hair stylists " etc. At least, I don't think this group is a hair

> > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss privately

> on

> > > your mail id.

> > > >

> > > > My responses may take time....

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Sunil "

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar and pranams

> > > > >

> > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up

> > > > >

> > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not as

> a

> > > reply

> > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon me in

> > > case of

> > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good person

> )

> > > > >

> > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this ---

> when

> > > the

> > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil

> take ??

> > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .

> > > > >

> > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi etc )

> and

> > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the

> events

> > > and

> > > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the time of

> birth

> > > (

> > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya )

> .So

> > > the

> > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for old

> > > learned

> > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how many

> > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the oil

> > > consumed

> > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the delivery

> room

> > > etc

> > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa

> methods

> > > and

> > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported birth

> time

> > > is

> > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .

> > > > >

> > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a

> tree or

> > > in

> > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> > > > >

> > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala is

> not

> > > the

> > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign or

> udaya

> > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising sign

> will

> > > b 2

> > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in dark

> and

> > > in

> > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of emergency

> the

> > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has

> more

> > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient

> > > > >

> > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has various

> > > methods

> > > > > and application and implications

> > > > >

> > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple town of

> > > culture

> > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this

> > > > >

> > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart but

> they

> > > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its future

> effect

> > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they

> prescribe

> > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .

> > > > >

> > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one man

> > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said yes

> > > ,then

> > > > > he described an event what happened in his life

> > > > >

> > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to

> attent

> > > some

> > > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was office

> > > bearer

> > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical

> > > assossiation

> > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a nativ

> of

> > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he need

> to

> > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead and

> i

> > > dont

> > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the frnd

> > > doctor

> > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd asked

> him

> > > to

> > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was not

> > > willing

> > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not having

> any

> > > birth

> > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon or

> moon

> > > sign

> > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of birth

> of

> > > his

> > > > > kids .

> > > > >

> > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My

> eldest

> > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education

> > > > >

> > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that u

> > > wanted to

> > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b so

> ,but

> > > she

> > > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it

> those

> > > days

> > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into MBBS

> when

> > > the

> > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the purticular

> > > stream

> > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac

> > > > >

> > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying why

> did

> > > not

> > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life

> > > > >

> > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more

> > > > >

> > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola

> prashna

> > > etc

> > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and may

> b in

> > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .

> > > > >

> > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a

> purticular

> > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) they r

> > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well being of

> a

> > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any Birth

> > > charts

> > > > > individualy but declare results independently for each memebr in

> > > family

> > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b 100 to

> 300

> > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some Mag

> in a

> > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji conducted

> > > such

> > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single

> prashna

> > > )

> > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna and

> the

> > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many of

> the

> > > events

> > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the details

> he

> > > was

> > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there will b

> 2

> > > grps

> > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who is

> > > arguing

> > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's and

> hora s

> > > --

> > > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv this or

> i

> > > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt

> > > efficacy

> > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called

> moderators

> > > are

> > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand u as

> > > trouble

> > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of tradition

> .

> > > > >

> > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even

> in

> > > grp

> > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > >

> > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth

> time as

> > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it

> > > will

> > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .

> > > > >

> > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let me

> > > conclud

> > > > > here

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks and with regrds

> > > > >

> > > > > sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , venkatachala

> pathi

> > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology) is

> > > primarily

> > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events

> in

> > > one's

> > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or

> action,

> > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of

> Natal's

> > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the

> > > 'results'

> > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school

> of

> > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before Standard

> Time

> > > was

> > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in

> giving

> > > the

> > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a few

> give

> > > the

> > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head

> or

> > > part

> > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is

> removed

> > > from

> > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time given

> by a

> > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her

> mother

> > > that

> > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÂ

> > > > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on

> the

> > > > > correct time 'given' to him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to 'second'

> > > becomes

> > > > > important to study the birth chart of both children, as few

> > > > > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda'

> -Â

> > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the position ofÂ

> > > Planets

> > > > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will

> > > note

> > > > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as

> 'at

> > > > > face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread'

> > > their

> > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a

> > > perticular

> > > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer to

> > > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will 'shorten'

> to

> > > arrive

> > > > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time

> consuming

> > > > > analysis under Dasha system.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the moment

> of

> > > the

> > > > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth

> charts,

> > > and

> > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are

> simple

> > > and

> > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and

> years

> > > of

> > > > > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help

> to

> > > find

> > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to

> > > correct

> > > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen

> > > acceptedÂ

> > > > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive atÂ

> possible

> > > date

> > > > > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an

> Election

> > > and

> > > > > more practical and immediate events for which instant

> > > results

> > > > > are required.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great Astrologer

> Guru

> > > > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many

> Astrologers

> > > near

> > > > > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event

> questions'

> > > with

> > > > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and

> practice

> > > with

> > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of

> Astrology.

> > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct

> > > 'Predictive

> > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of

> hues,

> > > while

> > > > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > A.V.Pathi, Â

> > > > > > Astrologer,

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM

> > > > > > Re: Re: Jataka and Prashna

> -

> > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,

> > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.

> > > > > > Here i would like to add that;

> > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public

> forum

> > > is

> > > > > a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on

> the

> > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic

> > > remains

> > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to stopÂ

> their

> > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without conclusion

> > > doesn't

> > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija (AT) (DOT)

> > > com>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,

> > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart

> today.

> > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit that

> the

> > > natal

> > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for

> the

> > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life of

> the

> > > > > native.

> > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in

> some

> > > > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When

> my

> > > > > servant will come back? etc.

> > > > > > >RegardsÂ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna

> -

> > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>Â

> > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in

> > > Prashna

> > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts

> or

> > > ways:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and

> accept

> > > what

> > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back

> with

> > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that

> > > horoary

> > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.

> > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this

> society.

> > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the

> same

> > > > > from you.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>regds

> > > > > > >>Dev

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " Lalkitab "

> > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such

> > > capabilities

> > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue

> his

> > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.

> > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of

> being a

> > > > > Tirthankar.

> > > > > > >>> Regards

> > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology,

> " axeplex "

> > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point

> of

> > > view

> > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are

> slokas

> > > of

> > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. †" That person, who has mastery of this

> > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a

> > > religious

> > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well

> > > versed

> > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a

> > > Daivajnya or

> > > > > seer.

> > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. †" All the predictions made by such a

> person

> > > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned support this

> > > > > statement.

> > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. †" He who has acquired a thorough

> knowledge

> > > of

> > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who

> has

> > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret mantra by

> a

> > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had

> enough.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Dev

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> Kulbir

> > > Bains

> > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the

> > > spirit,

> > > > > whenever the

> > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get

> > > some

> > > > > guidance,

> > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > > > > > >>> > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But

> when it

> > > is

> > > > > KP Horary,

> > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I

> know)(You

> > > may

> > > > > refer to KP

> > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that

> fixes

> > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this

> chart.

> > > Then

> > > > > Ruling planets

> > > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not

> native

> > > > > chart). Common

> > > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari

> Dasa

> > > is

> > > > > studied, a period

> > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then

> > > within

> > > > > that period,

> > > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to

> > > comment

> > > > > on KP and you

> > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be

> > > understood

> > > > > but " Aj de taim

> > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne.

> Te

> > > kinne

> > > > > astrloger ne

> > > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar

> samhita)

> > > jeende

> > > > > ne)

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > Dev

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount

> > > importance

> > > > > to the

> > > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide

> with

> > > the

> > > > > planetary

> > > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly

> > > correct

> > > > > me if i am wrong.

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by

> something

> > > > > divine.

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka

> and

> > > > > Prashna - Priority to

> > > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?

> > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Â

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg

> prefers

> > > horary

> > > > > but what is

> > > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of

> this?

> > > This

> > > > > is my question.

> > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated

> > > with

> > > > > it, then person

> > > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such

> people

> > > are

> > > > > there in this

> > > > > > >>> > > > world?

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > regds

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com,

> > > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to

> point

> > > to

> > > > > is one of the

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs

> > > PRASHNA

> > > > > should be given

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart -

> i.e.

> > > > > Jataka)!

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and

> that

> > > is

> > > > > one of the

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna

> > > marga

> > > > > stands - and

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important

> advice

> > > given

> > > > > by Prashna

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there

> is

> > > very

> > > > > good scope for

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to

> address

> > > the

> > > > > question - " WHY

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is

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> Sunil

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[Guest guest]

Dear Dev JI,

 

//There is a significance since no one else is born with exact

planetary

references that were existing at the time of birth of a native.//

I think this has to be suspected more......helping you if you really

want to get essence of system....

 

Why any system came in picture (whoever Made this)...Cause for any

system.....Jyotish Foundation is different....one can predict very well

without getting such Constructions Information

Astrology present till date from unknown start date very older times

and works for People of any Age....All Techniques will works for

Predictions (whatever it is)

 

--Prediction has no relation with any Particular Single Technique

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

 

axeplex wrote:

 

 

Sunilji,

 

Leaving blah blah aside, last time you only advised, so I am not

getting distracted what you wrote in the middle. In fact, I skipped

that part while reading.

 

Birth chart is based on when native is born. Yearly chart is based

again related to native birth details and transit charts are the

existing references that would be applied on the native chart. There is

a significance since no one else is born with exact planetary

references that were existing at the time of birth of a native.

 

regds

Dev

 

,

"Sunil" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Dear dev Ji

>

> u wrote

> -

> (If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday

willing

> to learn))

>

> Pls stick to the norms of discussion ,i was expecting u to explain

> first what is the basis of natal chart as per our agreement .As i

know

> once if u able to say that fact then u urself will hav answers for

the

> discussions under tread which we r doing in grp .Here it is

immaterial

> for me who supports me or who said what 'cause astrological

thoughts

> which laid foundations for astro basics cannot b determined by

vote of

> counting .So dont Look for shoulders to fire on somebody and keep

> firing stght .

>

> Again u r saying Horary is using of simple transit chart blah blah

 

> ,if so then what is birth chart ??can u illuminate me >R we

like ravan

> Ji has power to command planets to sit in purticular house s (

during

> the birth of his son IndraJit ) for a birth chart ??

>

>

> I expect ppl of ur stature to pr0nounce theories and dictums or

> sidhantha s in grp discussions only what u digested ( assimilated

and

> find it is working which u find over a period of time ) than what

is

> not digested and just vomiting around everything what ever comes

in mind

> or what ever u read in net and grps in the name of astrology

> and discussions ( sorry to say this way -after lot of time

waisting i

> still find u hav eagerness to Know ( i dont know if it for

learning )

> but no humbleness to ask plainly which is required for a Jyothishi

or

> student and ur ego is not allowing u to do so too .

>

> What i should or some body should understand frm the above

statemnt of

> ur s --is it horary astrology is my invention and i am doing some

crime

> by propogating it and it dont hav any scientific ( sastraic )basis

) ??

>

> so pls strt explaining why we shud use Birthcharts for seeing the

> future of a Human being ( let us forget other Living and non Living

> entities at present )and its basis ,what is its philosophical

,religious

> ,dharmic basis ?? can U explain How the so called birth chart can

> influence a person tru out his life according to ur own

understanding.

>

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

>

> ,

"axeplex" <axeplex@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks for your advice Sunilji.

> > As I have understood "Except that when native visits you, I

can not

> relate anything logically to Horary chart". If there is something

> scientific, it seems more of using present transits or similar

terms and

> applying yearly chart to natal chart. But yes, for some questions

like

> (as Kursija ji wrote) who would win the match, shall I get my money

> back, horary holds upper hand due to its easy application.

> >

> > If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am

anyday willing

> to learn.

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> >

> > ,

"Sunil"

> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Dev JI

> > >

> > > We can discuss in grps abt anything acdemicaly, provided

we r

> here for

> > > sharing exprnces/knowledge ,at times when some body

knows some

> thing

> > > for sure -as good as Lines in his hand he may b stubborn

and dont

> think

> > > that it is some sort of dry argumnt or arguemnt due to

some ego or

> > > idealism

> > >

> > > u asked me in prvt and in grp the scientific basis of

prashna

> astrology

> > > and u the No-1 in argeing that prashna is nothing but

natal chart

> > > prevails .how this both will tally ( what i said was in

case of

> results

> > > of both diffrs then go by prashna than Natal chart again

that is

> > > traditional prashna mostly- it is where astrologers

devine grace and

> > > blessings frm guru and dharma devata s help him )

> > >

> > > so if u control urself and come to real mode of

discussions then i

> dont

> > > think any one will try to hamper ur discussions

> > >

> > > i used to get many mails frm Kaul camps ,science of

astrology

> (actualy

> > > they want reply in modern physical science terms than

astrology

> itself

> > > is a sastra of its own ) camps ,and even frm self

declared Blessed

> by

> > > Ma or this or that camps and persons himself who thinks

they hav

> right

> > > to demolish everything .i used to ignore all this mails

due to

> personal

> > > problems and commitments .

> > >

> > > some one frm last 5 months is senting me a grp CC mail

that he

> decoded

> > > swami vivekanda chart and all the other gurus are farce

and he is

> the

> > > one selected by Ma as saviour of astrology .And he has

many

> undigested (

> > > he himself dont know how to appy it ) theorems .even he

mentions my

> > > name many times in various grps who dont dare to argue

with him

> > >

> > > so in net world all this is possible .

> > >

> > > if u r in for proper discussions where all of us can

learn or

> > > upgrade/update our understanding and Knowledge ,then i

dont think

> there

> > > will b distractions ,even if any pls learn to ignore it

> > >

> > > so in the Long run u will find that it was all nothing

if u r

> serious

> > > abt ur approach in grp discussions ( it shud not b Like

declarations

> > > that narayana dasa is superior and i can show u and then

vanish )

> > >

> > > so all the best for u and let us strt discussing

> > >

> > > due to my time limit many days i may not reply u but

there is so

> many

> > > memebrs in our forum and they will also b guiding us

> > >

> > > with rgrds sunil nair

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ,

"axeplex"

> <axeplex@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sunilji,

> > > >

> > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but

since you have

> > > raised the issue :

> > > >

> > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many

times ) and even

> in

> > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of

horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a

birth time as

> > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular

person as it

> will

> > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my

name, there is

> no

> > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it

a healthy

> > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like

"hair

> cutting",

> > > "hair stylists" etc. At least, I don't think this group

is a hair

> > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss

privately

> on

> > > your mail id.

> > > >

> > > > My responses may take time....

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ,

"Sunil"

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar and pranams

> > > > >

> > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up

> > > > >

> > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole

l grp and not as

> a

> > > reply

> > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented

here -so pardon me in

> > > case of

> > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r

such a good person

> )

> > > > >

> > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in

grp ) was this ---

> when

> > > the

> > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in

results what we wil

> take ??

> > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .

> > > > >

> > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora

,dasadhyayi etc )

> and

> > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by

observing omens ,the

> events

> > > and

> > > > > tallying with the events happening happend

during the time of

> birth

> > > (

> > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as

prasutika adyaya )

> .So

> > > the

> > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not

a problem for old

> > > learned

> > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps

where used ,how many

> > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and

dress etc to the oil

> > > consumed

> > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika

graha ( the delivery

> room

> > > etc

> > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is

Tatwa -antar tawa

> methods

> > > and

> > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if

reported birth

> time

> > > is

> > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some

questions .

> > > > >

> > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt

places like under a

> tree or

> > > in

> > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> > > > >

> > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna

employed in kerala is

> not

> > > the

> > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in

rising sign or

> udaya

> > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers

which rising sign

> will

> > > b 2

> > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they

r groping in dark

> and

> > > in

> > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in

case of emergency

> the

> > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say

this method has

> more

> > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able

and efficient

> > > > >

> > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a

keralite has various

> > > methods

> > > > > and application and implications

> > > > >

> > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up

in temple town of

> > > culture

> > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware

of this

> > > > >

> > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr

consults any chart but

> they

> > > > > just giv out results including what for u came

and its future

> effect

> > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur

problems they

> prescribe

> > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30

minits .

> > > > >

> > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony

in delhi .one man

> > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a

astrologer .i said yes

> > > ,then

> > > > > he described an event what happened in his life

> > > > >

> > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also )

and he went to

> attent

> > > some

> > > > > official function of doctors in kerala

,calicut as he was office

> > > bearer

> > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think

indian medical

> > > assossiation

> > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and

that frnd is a nativ

> of

> > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told

him that he need

> to

> > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said

u can go ahead and

> i

> > > dont

> > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on

insistance of the frnd

> > > doctor

> > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy

over the frnd asked

> him

> > > to

> > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any

questions .He was not

> > > willing

> > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he

was not having

> any

> > > birth

> > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the

position of moon or

> moon

> > > sign

> > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only

the day of birth

> of

> > > his

> > > > > kids .

> > > > >

> > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know

future of My

> eldest

> > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education

> > > > >

> > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies

told him that u

> > > wanted to

> > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she

also wanted to b so

> ,but

> > > she

> > > > > will become a doctor specialising in

Gynacology .and mind it

> those

> > > days

> > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after

she got into MBBS

> when

> > > the

> > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got

into the purticular

> > > stream

> > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac

> > > > >

> > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the

Doctor is worrying why

> did

> > > not

> > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life

> > > > >

> > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is

No more

> > > > >

> > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri

prashna , Tamboola

> prashna

> > > etc

> > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts

of india and may

> b in

> > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .

> > > > >

> > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need

not b for a

> purticular

> > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala

prashna ) they r

> > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know

complete well being of

> a

> > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to

consult any Birth

> > > charts

> > > > > individualy but declare results independently

for each memebr in

> > > family

> > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families

there may b 100 to

> 300

> > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I

read in some Mag

> in a

> > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN

rao Ji conducted

> > > such

> > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7

days ( a single

> prashna

> > > )

> > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in

the prashna and

> the

> > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to

pin point many of

> the

> > > events

> > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or

asking the details

> he

> > > was

> > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such

prashna there will b

> 2

> > > grps

> > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna

and other who is

> > > arguing

> > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with

pramana 's and

> hora s

> > > --

> > > > > Not the usual net forum style of

announcing i blv this or

> i

> > > > > invented this -here in some net forums

when we ask abt

> > > efficacy

> > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the

so called

> moderators

> > > are

> > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will

try to brand u as

> > > trouble

> > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is

part of tradition

> .

> > > > >

> > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many

times ) and even

> in

> > > grp

> > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > >

> > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of

horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we

must use a birth

> time as

> > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a

purticular person as it

> > > will

> > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .

> > > > >

> > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack

of time ,let me

> > > conclud

> > > > > here

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks and with regrds

> > > > >

> > > > > sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

venkatachala

> pathi

> > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as

'Horary' astrology) is

> > > primarily

> > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find

out the events

> in

> > > one's

> > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's

attempts or

> action,

> > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and

resultes of

> Natal's

> > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to

arrive at the

> > > 'results'

> > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In

Indian school

> of

> > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced

even before Standard

> Time

> > > was

> > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and

are errors in

> giving

> > > the

> > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the

attendants, while a few

> give

> > > the

> > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance

of head

> or

> > > part

> > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of

the child is

> removed

> > > from

> > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist

between the time given

> by a

> > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she

was told by her

> mother

> > > that

> > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver

milk in theÂ

> > > > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer

cannot relay on

> the

> > > > > correct time 'given' to him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time

difference to 'second'

> > > becomes

> > > > > important to study the birth chart of both

children, as few

> > > > > minutes close to each other, could deliver

'Eka- pinda'

> -Â

> > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time,

the position ofÂ

> > > Planets

> > > > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed.

There you will

> > > note

> > > > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become

complecated as

> 'at

> > > > > face' become same. It is not so when you

actually 'thread'

> > > their

> > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology,

to 'trace' a

> > > perticular

> > > > > event for one of the children, become handy

for an Astrologer to

> > > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method

will 'shorten'

> to

> > > arrive

> > > > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared

to time

> consuming

> > > > > analysis under Dasha system.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this

method taking the moment

> of

> > > the

> > > > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference

in the birth

> charts,

> > > and

> > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The

methods are

> simple

> > > and

> > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident

in months and

> years

> > > of

> > > > > practice to arrive at right results. Say,

this could help

> to

> > > find

> > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house'Â

more near to

> > > correct

> > > > > date, than looking through calculations under

half-a- dozen

> > > acceptedÂ

> > > > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to

arrive atÂ

> possible

> > > date

> > > > > of marriage or of a child birth or success

in an

> Election

> > > and

> > > > > more practical and immediate events for

which instant

> > > results

> > > > > are required.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available

by great Astrologer

> Guru

> > > > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken

many

> Astrologers

> > > near

> > > > > to correct predictions for solving subtle

'event

> questions'

> > > with

> > > > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts

exist and

> practice

> > > with

> > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this

method of

> Astrology.

> > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route

to correct

> > > 'Predictive

> > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a

large space of

> hues,

> > > while

> > > > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > A.V.Pathi, Â

> > > > > > Astrologer,

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM

> > > > > > Re:

Re: Jataka and Prashna

> -

> > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,

> > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced

person.

> > > > > > Here i would like to add that;

> > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some

topic; on a public

> forum

> > > is

> > > > > a privilege of every member but ending the

discussion on

> the

> > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is

reached at;- the topic

> > > remains

> > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are

free to stopÂ

> their

> > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions

without conclusion

> > > doesn't

> > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C.

Kursija sckursija (AT) (DOT)

> > > com>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,

> > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on

Natal and Horary chart

> today.

> > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I

like to submit that

> the

> > > natal

> > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and

Hoaray chart is for

> the

> > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss

the whole life of

> the

> > > > > native.

> > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has

imprtance over Nastal char in

> some

> > > > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive

the guest? When

> my

> > > > > servant will come back? etc.

> > > > > > >RegardsÂ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex

axeplex > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex (AT) (DOT)

com>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna

> -

> > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

> > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010,

12:51 PM

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>Â

> > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not

written by me but written in

> > > Prashna

> > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There

are two thoughts

> or

> > > ways:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can

not close your eyes and

> accept

> > > what

> > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one

can not come back

> with

> > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in

Prashna marg that

> > > horoary

> > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.

> > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and

what book says.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and

are requird to run this

> society.

> > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this

discussion, so expect the

> same

> > > > > from you.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>regds

> > > > > > >>Dev

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com,

> "Lalkitab"

> > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why

would a person with such

> > > capabilities

> > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for

others.

> > > > > > >>> Instead any person who

attains such a stage would pursue

> his

> > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.

> > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have

to study the procedure of

> being a

> > > > > Tirthankar.

> > > > > > >>> Regards

> > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_

astrology,

> "axeplex"

> > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have

written, I personally agree from point

> of

> > > view

> > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this.

I really mean it.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > I thought you are

referring to Prashna Marg, here are

> slokas

> > > of

> > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of

sloka 18):

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. â€" That

person, who has mastery of this

> > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of

mathematics who leads a

> > > religious

> > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from

conceit and who is well

> > > versed

> > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone

can be called a

> > > Daivajnya or

> > > > > seer.

> > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. â€" All the

predictions made by such a

> person

> > > > > will come true and will never be false. The

learned support this

> > > > > statement.

> > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. â€" He who

has acquired a thorough

> knowledge

> > > of

> > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the

five siddhantas, who

> has

> > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into

a secret mantra by

> a

> > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave

this discussion. Already had

> enough.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Dev

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_

astrology,

> Kulbir

> > > Bains

> > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't

get entangled in words, consider the

> > > spirit,

> > > > > whenever the

> > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme

considers that the individual should get

> > > some

> > > > > guidance,

> > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a

handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with

the divinity of astrologer.

> > > > > > >>> > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12,

2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses

Ruling Planets of current time. But

> when it

> > > is

> > > > > KP Horary,

> > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart

is not used. (This is as far as I

> know)(You

> > > may

> > > > > refer to KP

> > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars

what they have to say)

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary,

a number is chosen by native that

> fixes

> > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > > > >>> > > > significators

of an event are chosen from this

> chart.

> > > Then

> > > > > Ruling planets

> > > > > > >>> > > > are taken

from the normal chart of that time (not

> native

> > > > > chart). Common

> > > > > > >>> > > > planets are

decided based on the two. Vimshottari

> Dasa

> > > is

> > > > > studied, a period

> > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen

based on the shortlisted planets and then

> > > within

> > > > > that period,

> > > > > > >>> > > > transits are

seen to time the events.

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > But in any

case, I would not be the best person to

> > > comment

> > > > > on KP and you

> > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross

check it.

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine

power association for prasna can be

> > > understood

> > > > > but "Aj de taim

> > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e

jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne.

> Te

> > > kinne

> > > > > astrloger ne

> > > > > > >>> > > > jeede

astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar

> samhita)

> > > jeende

> > > > > ne)

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > Dev

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > --- In

ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology%

40. com>,

> > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb

<lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear

Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount

> > > importance

> > > > > to the

> > > > > > >>> > > > planetary

positions in the natal chart to coincide

> with

> > > the

> > > > > planetary

> > > > > > >>> > > > position when

the prashan chart is erected. Kindly

> > > correct

> > > > > me if i am wrong.

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance

vide prashna chart is ordinated by

> something

> > > > > divine.

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir

Bains

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On

Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Subject:

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka

> and

> > > > > Prashna - Priority to

> > > > > > >>> > > > which, when

and why?

> > > > > > >>> > > > > To:

ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology%

40. com>

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Date:

Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Â

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

Sreenadhji,

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry

about this but I am aware Prashnamarg

> prefers

> > > horary

> > > > > but what is

> > > > > > >>> > > > the logic

behind it? What is scientific basis of

> this?

> > > This

> > > > > is my question.

> > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if

we say there is divine power associated

> > > with

> > > > > it, then person

> > > > > > >>> > > > has to be

equally spiritual. And how many of such

> people

> > > are

> > > > > there in this

> > > > > > >>> > > > world?

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > regds

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > --- In

ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com,

> > > > > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > You

are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to

> point

> > > to

> > > > > is one of the

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > *

When Natal chart and Prashna result differs

> > > PRASHNA

> > > > > should be given

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

importance and weightage (and not Natal chart -

> i.e.

> > > > > Jataka)!

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and

> that

> > > is

> > > > > one of the

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna

> > > marga

> > > > > stands - and

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

numerous scholars miss this very important

> advice

> > > given

> > > > > by Prashna

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there

> is

> > > very

> > > > > good scope for

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

informative discussion, if someone try to

> address

> > > the

> > > > > question - "WHY

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is

> > > available in

> > > > > Prashnamarga

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

itself).

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the

> > > > > intricate pointers

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

based on traditional astrology and knowledge

> Sunil

> > > ji

> > > > > provides.

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

Love and regards,

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

Sreenadh

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > ---

In ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com,

> > > > > Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

<lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> Sir, a wild guess;//Â the period is

> bad

> > > > > according to birthchart

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

//prashna  revealed the period is

> > > > > best //

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and

> > > prashana

> > > > > Â indications

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > are

correct.

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> Regards

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> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> Kulbir Bains

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[Guest guest]

Devisinghji,

 

We are not discussing whether predictions come true from horary or not. This

discussion is bit different. It is about preference and which has more

scientific base.

 

regds

Dev

 

 

, devisigh <devisingh.rajput

wrote:

>

> Dear Dev JI,

>

> //There is a significance since no one else is born with exact planetary

> references that were existing at the time of birth of a native.//

> I think this has to be suspected more......helping you if you really

> want to get essence of system....

>

> Why any system came in picture (whoever Made this)...Cause for any

> system.....Jyotish Foundation is different....one can predict very well

> without getting such Constructions Information

> Astrology present till date from unknown start date very older times and

> works for People of any Age....All Techniques will works for Predictions

> (whatever it is)

>

> --Prediction has no relation with any Particular Single Technique

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

>

> axeplex wrote:

> >

> >

> > Sunilji,

> >

> > Leaving blah blah aside, last time you only advised, so I am not

> > getting distracted what you wrote in the middle. In fact, I skipped

> > that part while reading.

> >

> > Birth chart is based on when native is born. Yearly chart is based

> > again related to native birth details and transit charts are the

> > existing references that would be applied on the native chart. There

> > is a significance since no one else is born with exact planetary

> > references that were existing at the time of birth of a native.

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> >

> > <%40>, " Sunil "

> > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear dev Ji

> > >

> > > u wrote

> > > -

> > > (If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday willing

> > > to learn))

> > >

> > > Pls stick to the norms of discussion ,i was expecting u to explain

> > > first what is the basis of natal chart as per our agreement .As i know

> > > once if u able to say that fact then u urself will hav answers for the

> > > discussions under tread which we r doing in grp .Here it is immaterial

> > > for me who supports me or who said what 'cause astrological thoughts

> > > which laid foundations for astro basics cannot b determined by vote of

> > > counting .So dont Look for shoulders to fire on somebody and keep

> > > firing stght .

> > >

> > > Again u r saying Horary is using of simple transit chart blah blah

> > > ,if so then what is birth chart ??can u illuminate me >R we like ravan

> > > Ji has power to command planets to sit in purticular house s ( during

> > > the birth of his son IndraJit ) for a birth chart ??

> > >

> > >

> > > I expect ppl of ur stature to pr0nounce theories and dictums or

> > > sidhantha s in grp discussions only what u digested ( assimilated and

> > > find it is working which u find over a period of time ) than what is

> > > not digested and just vomiting around everything what ever comes in mind

> > > or what ever u read in net and grps in the name of astrology

> > > and discussions ( sorry to say this way -after lot of time waisting i

> > > still find u hav eagerness to Know ( i dont know if it for learning )

> > > but no humbleness to ask plainly which is required for a Jyothishi or

> > > student and ur ego is not allowing u to do so too .

> > >

> > > What i should or some body should understand frm the above statemnt of

> > > ur s --is it horary astrology is my invention and i am doing some crime

> > > by propogating it and it dont hav any scientific ( sastraic )basis ) ??

> > >

> > > so pls strt explaining why we shud use Birthcharts for seeing the

> > > future of a Human being ( let us forget other Living and non Living

> > > entities at present )and its basis ,what is its philosophical ,religious

> > > ,dharmic basis ?? can U explain How the so called birth chart can

> > > influence a person tru out his life according to ur own understanding.

> > >

> > >

> > > rgrds sunil nair

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > <%40>, " axeplex " <axeplex@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your advice Sunilji.

> > > > As I have understood " Except that when native visits you, I can not

> > > relate anything logically to Horary chart " . If there is something

> > > scientific, it seems more of using present transits or similar terms and

> > > applying yearly chart to natal chart. But yes, for some questions like

> > > (as Kursija ji wrote) who would win the match, shall I get my money

> > > back, horary holds upper hand due to its easy application.

> > > >

> > > > If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday willing

> > > to learn.

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>, " Sunil "

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Dev JI

> > > > >

> > > > > We can discuss in grps abt anything acdemicaly, provided we r

> > > here for

> > > > > sharing exprnces/knowledge ,at times when some body knows some

> > > thing

> > > > > for sure -as good as Lines in his hand he may b stubborn and dont

> > > think

> > > > > that it is some sort of dry argumnt or arguemnt due to some ego or

> > > > > idealism

> > > > >

> > > > > u asked me in prvt and in grp the scientific basis of prashna

> > > astrology

> > > > > and u the No-1 in argeing that prashna is nothing but natal chart

> > > > > prevails .how this both will tally ( what i said was in case of

> > > results

> > > > > of both diffrs then go by prashna than Natal chart again that is

> > > > > traditional prashna mostly- it is where astrologers devine grace and

> > > > > blessings frm guru and dharma devata s help him )

> > > > >

> > > > > so if u control urself and come to real mode of discussions then i

> > > dont

> > > > > think any one will try to hamper ur discussions

> > > > >

> > > > > i used to get many mails frm Kaul camps ,science of astrology

> > > (actualy

> > > > > they want reply in modern physical science terms than astrology

> > > itself

> > > > > is a sastra of its own ) camps ,and even frm self declared Blessed

> > > by

> > > > > Ma or this or that camps and persons himself who thinks they hav

> > > right

> > > > > to demolish everything .i used to ignore all this mails due to

> > > personal

> > > > > problems and commitments .

> > > > >

> > > > > some one frm last 5 months is senting me a grp CC mail that he

> > > decoded

> > > > > swami vivekanda chart and all the other gurus are farce and he is

> > > the

> > > > > one selected by Ma as saviour of astrology .And he has many

> > > undigested (

> > > > > he himself dont know how to appy it ) theorems .even he mentions my

> > > > > name many times in various grps who dont dare to argue with him

> > > > >

> > > > > so in net world all this is possible .

> > > > >

> > > > > if u r in for proper discussions where all of us can learn or

> > > > > upgrade/update our understanding and Knowledge ,then i dont think

> > > there

> > > > > will b distractions ,even if any pls learn to ignore it

> > > > >

> > > > > so in the Long run u will find that it was all nothing if u r

> > > serious

> > > > > abt ur approach in grp discussions ( it shud not b Like declarations

> > > > > that narayana dasa is superior and i can show u and then vanish )

> > > > >

> > > > > so all the best for u and let us strt discussing

> > > > >

> > > > > due to my time limit many days i may not reply u but there is so

> > > many

> > > > > memebrs in our forum and they will also b guiding us

> > > > >

> > > > > with rgrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > <%40>, " axeplex "

> > > <axeplex@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunilji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you have

> > > > > raised the issue :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even

> > > in

> > > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as

> > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it

> > > will

> > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name, there is

> > > no

> > > > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a healthy

> > > > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like " hair

> > > cutting " ,

> > > > > " hair stylists " etc. At least, I don't think this group is a hair

> > > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss privately

> > > on

> > > > > your mail id.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My responses may take time....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regds

> > > > > > Dev

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>, " Sunil "

> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaskar and pranams

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not as

> > > a

> > > > > reply

> > > > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon me in

> > > > > case of

> > > > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good person

> > > )

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this ---

> > > when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil

> > > take ??

> > > > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi etc )

> > > and

> > > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the

> > > events

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the time of

> > > birth

> > > > > (

> > > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya )

> > > .So

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for old

> > > > > learned

> > > > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how many

> > > > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the oil

> > > > > consumed

> > > > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the delivery

> > > room

> > > > > etc

> > > > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa

> > > methods

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported birth

> > > time

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a

> > > tree or

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala is

> > > not

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign or

> > > udaya

> > > > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising sign

> > > will

> > > > > b 2

> > > > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in dark

> > > and

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of emergency

> > > the

> > > > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has

> > > more

> > > > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has various

> > > > > methods

> > > > > > > and application and implications

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple town of

> > > > > culture

> > > > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart but

> > > they

> > > > > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its future

> > > effect

> > > > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they

> > > prescribe

> > > > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one man

> > > > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said yes

> > > > > ,then

> > > > > > > he described an event what happened in his life

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to

> > > attent

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was office

> > > > > bearer

> > > > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical

> > > > > assossiation

> > > > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a nativ

> > > of

> > > > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he need

> > > to

> > > > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead and

> > > i

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the frnd

> > > > > doctor

> > > > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd asked

> > > him

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was not

> > > > > willing

> > > > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not having

> > > any

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon or

> > > moon

> > > > > sign

> > > > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of birth

> > > of

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > kids .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My

> > > eldest

> > > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that u

> > > > > wanted to

> > > > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b so

> > > ,but

> > > > > she

> > > > > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it

> > > those

> > > > > days

> > > > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into MBBS

> > > when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the purticular

> > > > > stream

> > > > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying why

> > > did

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola

> > > prashna

> > > > > etc

> > > > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and may

> > > b in

> > > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a

> > > purticular

> > > > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) they r

> > > > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well being of

> > > a

> > > > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any Birth

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > > individualy but declare results independently for each memebr in

> > > > > family

> > > > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b 100 to

> > > 300

> > > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some Mag

> > > in a

> > > > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji conducted

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single

> > > prashna

> > > > > )

> > > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna and

> > > the

> > > > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many of

> > > the

> > > > > events

> > > > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the details

> > > he

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there will b

> > > 2

> > > > > grps

> > > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who is

> > > > > arguing

> > > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's and

> > > hora s

> > > > > --

> > > > > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv this or

> > > i

> > > > > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt

> > > > > efficacy

> > > > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called

> > > moderators

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand u as

> > > > > trouble

> > > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of tradition

> > > .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even

> > > in

> > > > > grp

> > > > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth

> > > time as

> > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let me

> > > > > conclud

> > > > > > > here

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks and with regrds

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sunil nair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > <%40>, venkatachala

> > > pathi

> > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology) is

> > > > > primarily

> > > > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events

> > > in

> > > > > one's

> > > > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or

> > > action,

> > > > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of

> > > Natal's

> > > > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the

> > > > > 'results'

> > > > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school

> > > of

> > > > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before Standard

> > > Time

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in

> > > giving

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a few

> > > give

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head

> > > or

> > > > > part

> > > > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is

> > > removed

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time given

> > > by a

> > > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her

> > > mother

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÂ

> > > > > > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on

> > > the

> > > > > > > correct time 'given' to him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to 'second'

> > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > important to study the birth chart of both children, as few

> > > > > > > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda'

> > > -Â

> > > > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the position ofÂ

> > > > > Planets

> > > > > > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will

> > > > > note

> > > > > > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as

> > > 'at

> > > > > > > face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread'

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a

> > > > > perticular

> > > > > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer to

> > > > > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will 'shorten'

> > > to

> > > > > arrive

> > > > > > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time

> > > consuming

> > > > > > > analysis under Dasha system.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the moment

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth

> > > charts,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are

> > > simple

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and

> > > years

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help

> > > to

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen

> > > > > acceptedÂ

> > > > > > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive atÂ

> > > possible

> > > > > date

> > > > > > > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an

> > > Election

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > more practical and immediate events for which instant

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > are required.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great Astrologer

> > > Guru

> > > > > > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many

> > > Astrologers

> > > > > near

> > > > > > > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event

> > > questions'

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and

> > > practice

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of

> > > Astrology.

> > > > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct

> > > > > 'Predictive

> > > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of

> > > hues,

> > > > > while

> > > > > > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, Â

> > > > > > > > Astrologer,

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Re: Jataka and Prashna

> > > -

> > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,

> > > > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.

> > > > > > > > Here i would like to add that;

> > > > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public

> > > forum

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on

> > > the

> > > > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > > > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic

> > > > > remains

> > > > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to stopÂ

> > > their

> > > > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without conclusion

> > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija (AT) (DOT)

> > > > > com>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,

> > > > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart

> > > today.

> > > > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit that

> > > the

> > > > > natal

> > > > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for

> > > the

> > > > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life of

> > > the

> > > > > > > native.

> > > > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in

> > > some

> > > > > > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When

> > > my

> > > > > > > servant will come back? etc.

> > > > > > > > >RegardsÂ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna

> > > -

> > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>Â

> > > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in

> > > > > Prashna

> > > > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts

> > > or

> > > > > ways:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and

> > > accept

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back

> > > with

> > > > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that

> > > > > horoary

> > > > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.

> > > > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this

> > > society.

> > > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the

> > > same

> > > > > > > from you.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>regds

> > > > > > > > >>Dev

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " Lalkitab "

> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such

> > > > > capabilities

> > > > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > > > > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue

> > > his

> > > > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.

> > > > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of

> > > being a

> > > > > > > Tirthankar.

> > > > > > > > >>> Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " axeplex "

> > > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point

> > > of

> > > > > view

> > > > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are

> > > slokas

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. âEUR " That person, who has mastery of this

> > > > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a

> > > > > religious

> > > > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well

> > > > > versed

> > > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a

> > > > > Daivajnya or

> > > > > > > seer.

> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. âEUR " All the predictions made by such a

> > > person

> > > > > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned support this

> > > > > > > statement.

> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. âEUR " He who has acquired a thorough

> > > knowledge

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who

> > > has

> > > > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret mantra by

> > > a

> > > > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had

> > > enough.

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Dev

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > Kulbir

> > > > > Bains

> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the

> > > > > spirit,

> > > > > > > whenever the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > guidance,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But

> > > when it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > KP Horary,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I

> > > know)(You

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > refer to KP

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that

> > > fixes

> > > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this

> > > chart.

> > > > > Then

> > > > > > > Ruling planets

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not

> > > native

> > > > > > > chart). Common

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari

> > > Dasa

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > studied, a period

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then

> > > > > within

> > > > > > > that period,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to

> > > > > comment

> > > > > > > on KP and you

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be

> > > > > understood

> > > > > > > but " Aj de taim

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne.

> > > Te

> > > > > kinne

> > > > > > > astrloger ne

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar

> > > samhita)

> > > > > jeende

> > > > > > > ne)

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dev

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount

> > > > > importance

> > > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > planetary

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > me if i am wrong.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by

> > > something

> > > > > > > divine.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka

> > > and

> > > > > > > Prashna - Priority to

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Ã,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg

> > > prefers

> > > > > horary

> > > > > > > but what is

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of

> > > this?

> > > > > This

> > > > > > > is my question.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > it, then person

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such

> > > people

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > there in this

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > world?

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > regds

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > com,

> > > > > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to

> > > point

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > is one of the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs

> > > > > PRASHNA

> > > > > > > should be given

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart -

> > > i.e.

> > > > > > > Jataka)!

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and

> > > that

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > one of the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna

> > > > > marga

> > > > > > > stands - and

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important

> > > advice

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > by Prashna

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there

> > > is

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > good scope for

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to

> > > address

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > question - " WHY

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is

> > > > > available in

> > > > > > > Prashnamarga

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the

> > > > > > > intricate pointers

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge

> > > Sunil

> > > > > ji

> > > > > > > provides.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > com,

> > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//ÃfâEURs( the period is

> > > bad

> > > > > > > according to birthchart

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna ÃfâEURs( revealed the period is

> > > > > > > bestÃfâEURs( //

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and

> > > > > prashana

> > > > > > > ÃfâEURs( indications

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > are correct.

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dear dev Ji so this is ur understanding abt birth chart .in that case even when i drink a tea--that time also has all this qualities ,so where is the logic here ??u hav anything else to say or convey regrding the basis and base of natal horocopy and on which foundation it is based and its scientific basis ???if u r planning to waist my time i may hav to excuse frm this tread rgrds sunil nair , "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Sunilji,> > Leaving blah blah aside, last time you only advised, so I am not getting distracted what you wrote in the middle. In fact, I skipped that part while reading.> > Birth chart is based on when native is born. Yearly chart is based again related to native birth details and transit charts are the existing references that would be applied on the native chart. There is a significance since no one else is born with exact planetary references that were existing at the time of birth of a native.> > regds> Dev> > > , "Sunil" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > Dear dev Ji> > > > u wrote> > -> > (If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday willing > > to learn))> > > > Pls stick to the norms of discussion ,i was expecting u to explain> > first what is the basis of natal chart as per our agreement .As i know> > once if u able to say that fact then u urself will hav answers for the> > discussions under tread which we r doing in grp .Here it is immaterial> > for me who supports me or who said what 'cause astrological thoughts> > which laid foundations for astro basics cannot b determined by vote of> > counting .So dont Look for shoulders to fire on somebody and keep> > firing stght .> > > > Again u r saying Horary is using of simple transit chart blah blah > > ,if so then what is birth chart ??can u illuminate me >R we like ravan> > Ji has power to command planets to sit in purticular house s ( during> > the birth of his son IndraJit ) for a birth chart ??> > > > > > I expect ppl of ur stature to pr0nounce theories and dictums or> > sidhantha s in grp discussions only what u digested ( assimilated and> > find it is working which u find over a period of time ) than what is> > not digested and just vomiting around everything what ever comes in mind> > or what ever u read in net and grps in the name of astrology> > and discussions ( sorry to say this way -after lot of time waisting i> > still find u hav eagerness to Know ( i dont know if it for learning )> > but no humbleness to ask plainly which is required for a Jyothishi or> > student and ur ego is not allowing u to do so too .> > > > What i should or some body should understand frm the above statemnt of> > ur s --is it horary astrology is my invention and i am doing some crime> > by propogating it and it dont hav any scientific ( sastraic )basis ) ??> > > > so pls strt explaining why we shud use Birthcharts for seeing the> > future of a Human being ( let us forget other Living and non Living> > entities at present )and its basis ,what is its philosophical ,religious> > ,dharmic basis ?? can U explain How the so called birth chart can > > influence a person tru out his life according to ur own understanding.> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > , "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Thanks for your advice Sunilji.> > > As I have understood "Except that when native visits you, I can not> > relate anything logically to Horary chart". If there is something> > scientific, it seems more of using present transits or similar terms and> > applying yearly chart to natal chart. But yes, for some questions like> > (as Kursija ji wrote) who would win the match, shall I get my money> > back, horary holds upper hand due to its easy application.> > >> > > If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday willing> > to learn.> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > >> > > , "Sunil"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Dev JI> > > >> > > > We can discuss in grps abt anything acdemicaly, provided we r> > here for> > > > sharing exprnces/knowledge ,at times when some body knows some> > thing> > > > for sure -as good as Lines in his hand he may b stubborn and dont> > think> > > > that it is some sort of dry argumnt or arguemnt due to some ego or> > > > idealism> > > >> > > > u asked me in prvt and in grp the scientific basis of prashna> > astrology> > > > and u the No-1 in argeing that prashna is nothing but natal chart> > > > prevails .how this both will tally ( what i said was in case of> > results> > > > of both diffrs then go by prashna than Natal chart again that is> > > > traditional prashna mostly- it is where astrologers devine grace and> > > > blessings frm guru and dharma devata s help him )> > > >> > > > so if u control urself and come to real mode of discussions then i> > dont> > > > think any one will try to hamper ur discussions> > > >> > > > i used to get many mails frm Kaul camps ,science of astrology > > (actualy> > > > they want reply in modern physical science terms than astrology> > itself> > > > is a sastra of its own ) camps ,and even frm self declared Blessed> > by> > > > Ma or this or that camps and persons himself who thinks they hav> > right> > > > to demolish everything .i used to ignore all this mails due to> > personal> > > > problems and commitments .> > > >> > > > some one frm last 5 months is senting me a grp CC mail that he> > decoded> > > > swami vivekanda chart and all the other gurus are farce and he is> > the> > > > one selected by Ma as saviour of astrology .And he has many> > undigested (> > > > he himself dont know how to appy it ) theorems .even he mentions my> > > > name many times in various grps who dont dare to argue with him> > > >> > > > so in net world all this is possible .> > > >> > > > if u r in for proper discussions where all of us can learn or> > > > upgrade/update our understanding and Knowledge ,then i dont think> > there> > > > will b distractions ,even if any pls learn to ignore it> > > >> > > > so in the Long run u will find that it was all nothing if u r> > serious> > > > abt ur approach in grp discussions ( it shud not b Like declarations> > > > that narayana dasa is superior and i can show u and then vanish )> > > >> > > > so all the best for u and let us strt discussing> > > >> > > > due to my time limit many days i may not reply u but there is so> > many> > > > memebrs in our forum and they will also b guiding us> > > >> > > > with rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "axeplex"> > <axeplex@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Sunilji,> > > > >> > > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you have> > > > raised the issue :> > > > >> > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even> > in> > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-> > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as> > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it> > will> > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///> > > > >> > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name, there is> > no> > > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a healthy> > > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like "hair> > cutting",> > > > "hair stylists" etc. At least, I don't think this group is a hair> > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss privately> > on> > > > your mail id.> > > > >> > > > > My responses may take time....> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "Sunil"> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaskar and pranams> > > > > >> > > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up> > > > > >> > > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not as> > a> > > > reply> > > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon me in> > > > case of> > > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good person> > )> > > > > >> > > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this ---> > when> > > > the> > > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil> > take ??> > > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .> > > > > >> > > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi etc )> > and> > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the> > events> > > > and> > > > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the time of> > birth> > > > (> > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya ) > > .So> > > > the> > > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for old> > > > learned> > > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how many> > > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the oil> > > > consumed> > > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the delivery> > room> > > > etc> > > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa> > methods> > > > and> > > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported birth> > time> > > > is> > > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .> > > > > >> > > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a> > tree or> > > > in> > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned> > > > > >> > > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala is> > not> > > > the> > > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign or> > udaya> > > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising sign> > will> > > > b 2> > > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in dark> > and> > > > in> > > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of emergency> > the> > > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has> > more> > > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient> > > > > >> > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has various> > > > methods> > > > > > and application and implications> > > > > >> > > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple town of> > > > culture> > > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this> > > > > >> > > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart but> > they> > > > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its future> > effect> > > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they> > prescribe> > > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .> > > > > >> > > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one man> > > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said yes> > > > ,then> > > > > > he described an event what happened in his life> > > > > >> > > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to> > attent> > > > some> > > > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was office> > > > bearer> > > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical> > > > assossiation> > > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a nativ> > of> > > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he need> > to> > > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead and> > i> > > > dont> > > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the frnd> > > > doctor> > > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd asked> > him> > > > to> > > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was not> > > > willing> > > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not having> > any> > > > birth> > > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon or> > moon> > > > sign> > > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of birth> > of> > > > his> > > > > > kids .> > > > > >> > > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My > > eldest> > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education> > > > > >> > > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that u> > > > wanted to> > > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b so> > ,but> > > > she> > > > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it> > those> > > > days> > > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into MBBS > > when> > > > the> > > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the purticular> > > > stream> > > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac> > > > > >> > > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying why> > did> > > > not> > > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life> > > > > >> > > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more> > > > > >> > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola> > prashna> > > > etc> > > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and may> > b in> > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .> > > > > >> > > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a> > purticular> > > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) they r> > > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well being of> > a> > > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any Birth> > > > charts> > > > > > individualy but declare results independently for each memebr in> > > > family> > > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b 100 to> > 300> > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some Mag> > in a> > > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji conducted> > > > such> > > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single> > prashna> > > > )> > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna and> > the> > > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many of> > the> > > > events> > > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the details> > he> > > > was> > > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there will b> > 2> > > > grps> > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who is> > > > arguing> > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's and> > hora s> > > > --> > > > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv this or> > i> > > > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt> > > > efficacy> > > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called> > moderators> > > > are> > > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand u as> > > > trouble> > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of tradition> > .> > > > > >> > > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even> > in> > > > grp> > > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > >> > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-> > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth> > time as> > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it> > > > will> > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .> > > > > >> > > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let me> > > > conclud> > > > > > here> > > > > >> > > > > > thanks and with regrds> > > > > >> > > > > > sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , venkatachala> > pathi> > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sirs,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology) is> > > > primarily> > > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events> > in> > > > one's> > > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or> > action,> > > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of> > Natal's> > > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the> > > > 'results'> > > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school> > of> > > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before Standard> > Time> > > > was> > > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in> > giving> > > > the> > > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a few> > give> > > > the> > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head> > or> > > > part> > > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is> > removed> > > > from> > > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time given> > by a> > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her> > mother> > > > that> > > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÂ> > > > > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on> > the> > > > > > correct time 'given' to him.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to 'second'> > > > becomes> > > > > > important to study the birth chart of both children, as few> > > > > > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda'> > -Â> > > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the position ofÂ> > > > Planets> > > > > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will> > > > note> > > > > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as> > 'at> > > > > > face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread'> > > > their> > > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a> > > > perticular> > > > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer to> > > > > > 'cast' result of a given event. This method will 'shorten'> > to> > > > arrive> > > > > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time> > consuming> > > > > > analysis under Dasha system.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the moment> > of> > > > the> > > > > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth> > charts,> > > > and> > > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are> > simple> > > > and> > > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and> > years> > > > of> > > > > > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help> > to> > > > find> > > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to> > > > correct> > > > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen> > > > acceptedÂ> > > > > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive atÂ> > possible> > > > date> > > > > > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an> > Election> > > > and> > > > > > more practical and immediate events for which instant> > > > results> > > > > > are required.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great Astrologer> > Guru> > > > > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many> > Astrologers> > > > near> > > > > > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event> > questions'> > > > with> > > > > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and> > practice> > > > with> > > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of> > Astrology.> > > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct> > > > 'Predictive> > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of> > hues,> > > > while> > > > > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.> > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, Â> > > > > > > Astrologer,> > > > > > > Â> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM> > > > > > > Re: Re: Jataka and Prashna> > -> > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,> > > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.> > > > > > > Here i would like to add that;> > > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public> > forum> > > > is> > > > > > a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on> > the> > > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.> > > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic> > > > remains> > > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to stopÂ> > their> > > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without conclusion> > > > doesn't> > > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.  Â> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija (AT) (DOT) > > > > com>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,> > > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart> > today.> > > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit that> > the> > > > natal> > > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for> > the> > > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life of> > the> > > > > > native.> > > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in> > some> > > > > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When> > my> > > > > > servant will come back? etc.> > > > > > > >RegardsÂ> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna> > -> > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>Â> > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in> > > > Prashna> > > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts> > or> > > > ways:> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and> > accept> > > > what> > > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back> > with> > > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that> > > > horoary> > > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.> > > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this> > society.> > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the> > same> > > > > > from you.> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>regds> > > > > > > >>Dev> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Lalkitab"> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such> > > > capabilities> > > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.> > > > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue> > his> > > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.> > > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of> > being a> > > > > > Tirthankar.> > > > > > > >>> Regards> > > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "axeplex"> > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point> > of> > > > view> > > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are> > slokas> > > > of> > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. â€" That person, who has mastery of this> > > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a> > > > religious> > > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well> > > > versed> > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a> > > > Daivajnya or> > > > > > seer.> > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. â€" All the predictions made by such a> > person> > > > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned support this> > > > > > statement.> > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. â€" He who has acquired a thorough> > knowledge> > > > of> > > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who> > has> > > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret mantra by> > a> > > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had> > enough.> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > Dev> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > Kulbir> > > > Bains> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the> > > > spirit,> > > > > > whenever the> > > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get> > > > some> > > > > > guidance,> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.> > > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.> > > > > > > >>> > > Regards> > > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@>> > wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But> > when it> > > > is> > > > > > KP Horary,> > > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I> > know)(You> > > > may> > > > > > refer to KP> > > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that> > fixes> > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and> > > > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this> > chart.> > > > Then> > > > > > Ruling planets> > > > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not> > native> > > > > > chart). Common> > > > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari> > Dasa> > > > is> > > > > > studied, a period> > > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then> > > > within> > > > > > that period,> > > > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to> > > > comment> > > > > > on KP and you> > > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be> > > > understood> > > > > > but "Aj de taim> > > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne.> > Te> > > > kinne> > > > > > astrloger ne> > > > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar> > samhita)> > > > jeende> > > > > > ne)> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > Dev> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount> > > > importance> > > > > > to the> > > > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide> > with> > > > the> > > > > > planetary> > > > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly> > > > correct> > > > > > me if i am wrong.> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by> > something> > > > > > divine.> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka> > and> > > > > > Prashna - Priority to> > > > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?> > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Â> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg> > prefers> > > > horary> > > > > > but what is> > > > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of> > this?> > > > This> > > > > > is my question.> > > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated> > > > with> > > > > > it, then person> > > > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such> > people> > > > are> > > > > > there in this> > > > > > > >>> > > > world?> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > regds> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to> > point> > > > to> > > > > > is one of the> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs> > > > PRASHNA> > > > > > should be given> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart -> > i.e.> > > > > > Jataka)!> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and> > that> > > > is> > > > > > one of the> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna> > > > marga> > > > > > stands - and> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important> > advice> > > > given> > > > > > by Prashna> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there> > is> > > > very> > > > > > good scope for> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to> > address> > > > the> > > > > > question - "WHY> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is> > > > available in> > > > > > Prashnamarga> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the> > > > > > intricate pointers> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge> > Sunil> > > > ji> > > > > > provides.> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > Lalkitab Kb> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;// the period is> > bad> > > > > > according to birthchart> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is> > > > > > best //> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and> > > > prashana> > > > > >  indications> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > are correct.> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized> > IE8.> > > > Get> > > > > > it NOW!> > > > > > > >>> > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Sunilji,

 

If you want me to add astronomy is the base and this that.....ASc/ Planets/

signs/ panchanga etc. etc., the basic foundation of astrology, then what is the

point in writing such things. It is up to you, you want to waste your time and

not. Subject was restarted by you indirectly, I had already written that I do

not wish to discuss with you or anybody with strong ideals.

 

//even when i drink a tea--that time also has all this

> qualities ,so where is the logic here //

 

I could not understand it. If a native is born when you are drinking tea,

definitely it has all those qualities. But if native visits you for horary at

that time, not necessarily and depends on other factors too.

 

regds,

Dev

 

, " Sunil "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

> dear dev Ji

>

> so this is ur understanding abt birth chart .

>

> in that case even when i drink a tea--that time also has all this

> qualities ,so where is the logic here ??

>

> u hav anything else to say or convey regrding the basis and base of

> natal horocopy and on which foundation it is based and its scientific

> basis ???

>

> if u r planning to waist my time i may hav to excuse frm this tread

>

> rgrds sunil nair

> , " axeplex " <axeplex@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sunilji,

> >

> > Leaving blah blah aside, last time you only advised, so I am not

> getting distracted what you wrote in the middle. In fact, I skipped that

> part while reading.

> >

> > Birth chart is based on when native is born. Yearly chart is based

> again related to native birth details and transit charts are the

> existing references that would be applied on the native chart. There is

> a significance since no one else is born with exact planetary references

> that were existing at the time of birth of a native.

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> >

> > , " Sunil "

> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear dev Ji

> > >

> > > u wrote

> > > -

> > > (If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday

> willing

> > > to learn))

> > >

> > > Pls stick to the norms of discussion ,i was expecting u to explain

> > > first what is the basis of natal chart as per our agreement .As i

> know

> > > once if u able to say that fact then u urself will hav answers for

> the

> > > discussions under tread which we r doing in grp .Here it is

> immaterial

> > > for me who supports me or who said what 'cause astrological thoughts

> > > which laid foundations for astro basics cannot b determined by vote

> of

> > > counting .So dont Look for shoulders to fire on somebody and keep

> > > firing stght .

> > >

> > > Again u r saying Horary is using of simple transit chart blah blah

> > > ,if so then what is birth chart ??can u illuminate me >R we like

> ravan

> > > Ji has power to command planets to sit in purticular house s (

> during

> > > the birth of his son IndraJit ) for a birth chart ??

> > >

> > >

> > > I expect ppl of ur stature to pr0nounce theories and dictums or

> > > sidhantha s in grp discussions only what u digested ( assimilated

> and

> > > find it is working which u find over a period of time ) than what

> is

> > > not digested and just vomiting around everything what ever comes in

> mind

> > > or what ever u read in net and grps in the name of

> astrology

> > > and discussions ( sorry to say this way -after lot of time waisting

> i

> > > still find u hav eagerness to Know ( i dont know if it for learning

> )

> > > but no humbleness to ask plainly which is required for a Jyothishi

> or

> > > student and ur ego is not allowing u to do so too .

> > >

> > > What i should or some body should understand frm the above statemnt

> of

> > > ur s --is it horary astrology is my invention and i am doing some

> crime

> > > by propogating it and it dont hav any scientific ( sastraic )basis

> ) ??

> > >

> > > so pls strt explaining why we shud use Birthcharts for seeing the

> > > future of a Human being ( let us forget other Living and non Living

> > > entities at present )and its basis ,what is its philosophical

> ,religious

> > > ,dharmic basis ?? can U explain How the so called birth chart can

> > > influence a person tru out his life according to ur own

> understanding.

> > >

> > >

> > > rgrds sunil nair

> > >

> > >

> > > , " axeplex "

> <axeplex@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your advice Sunilji.

> > > > As I have understood " Except that when native visits you, I can

> not

> > > relate anything logically to Horary chart " . If there is something

> > > scientific, it seems more of using present transits or similar terms

> and

> > > applying yearly chart to natal chart. But yes, for some questions

> like

> > > (as Kursija ji wrote) who would win the match, shall I get my money

> > > back, horary holds upper hand due to its easy application.

> > > >

> > > > If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday

> willing

> > > to learn.

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Sunil "

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Dev JI

> > > > >

> > > > > We can discuss in grps abt anything acdemicaly, provided we r

> > > here for

> > > > > sharing exprnces/knowledge ,at times when some body knows some

> > > thing

> > > > > for sure -as good as Lines in his hand he may b stubborn and

> dont

> > > think

> > > > > that it is some sort of dry argumnt or arguemnt due to some ego

> or

> > > > > idealism

> > > > >

> > > > > u asked me in prvt and in grp the scientific basis of prashna

> > > astrology

> > > > > and u the No-1 in argeing that prashna is nothing but natal

> chart

> > > > > prevails .how this both will tally ( what i said was in case of

> > > results

> > > > > of both diffrs then go by prashna than Natal chart again that

> is

> > > > > traditional prashna mostly- it is where astrologers devine grace

> and

> > > > > blessings frm guru and dharma devata s help him )

> > > > >

> > > > > so if u control urself and come to real mode of discussions then

> i

> > > dont

> > > > > think any one will try to hamper ur discussions

> > > > >

> > > > > i used to get many mails frm Kaul camps ,science of astrology

> > > (actualy

> > > > > they want reply in modern physical science terms than astrology

> > > itself

> > > > > is a sastra of its own ) camps ,and even frm self declared

> Blessed

> > > by

> > > > > Ma or this or that camps and persons himself who thinks they hav

> > > right

> > > > > to demolish everything .i used to ignore all this mails due to

> > > personal

> > > > > problems and commitments .

> > > > >

> > > > > some one frm last 5 months is senting me a grp CC mail that he

> > > decoded

> > > > > swami vivekanda chart and all the other gurus are farce and he

> is

> > > the

> > > > > one selected by Ma as saviour of astrology .And he has many

> > > undigested (

> > > > > he himself dont know how to appy it ) theorems .even he

> mentions my

> > > > > name many times in various grps who dont dare to argue with him

> > > > >

> > > > > so in net world all this is possible .

> > > > >

> > > > > if u r in for proper discussions where all of us can learn or

> > > > > upgrade/update our understanding and Knowledge ,then i dont

> think

> > > there

> > > > > will b distractions ,even if any pls learn to ignore it

> > > > >

> > > > > so in the Long run u will find that it was all nothing if u r

> > > serious

> > > > > abt ur approach in grp discussions ( it shud not b Like

> declarations

> > > > > that narayana dasa is superior and i can show u and then vanish

> )

> > > > >

> > > > > so all the best for u and let us strt discussing

> > > > >

> > > > > due to my time limit many days i may not reply u but there is so

> > > many

> > > > > memebrs in our forum and they will also b guiding us

> > > > >

> > > > > with rgrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " axeplex "

> > > <axeplex@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunilji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you

> have

> > > > > raised the issue :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and

> even

> > > in

> > > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy

> -Jataka-

> > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth

> time as

> > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it

> > > will

> > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name,

> there is

> > > no

> > > > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a

> healthy

> > > > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like " hair

> > > cutting " ,

> > > > > " hair stylists " etc. At least, I don't think this group is a

> hair

> > > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss

> privately

> > > on

> > > > > your mail id.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My responses may take time....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regds

> > > > > > Dev

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Sunil "

> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaskar and pranams

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not

> as

> > > a

> > > > > reply

> > > > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon

> me in

> > > > > case of

> > > > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good

> person

> > > )

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this

> ---

> > > when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil

> > > take ??

> > > > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi

> etc )

> > > and

> > > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the

> > > events

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the time

> of

> > > birth

> > > > > (

> > > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya

> )

> > > .So

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for

> old

> > > > > learned

> > > > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how

> many

> > > > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the

> oil

> > > > > consumed

> > > > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the

> delivery

> > > room

> > > > > etc

> > > > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa

> > > methods

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported

> birth

> > > time

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a

> > > tree or

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala

> is

> > > not

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign

> or

> > > udaya

> > > > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising

> sign

> > > will

> > > > > b 2

> > > > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in

> dark

> > > and

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of

> emergency

> > > the

> > > > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has

> > > more

> > > > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has

> various

> > > > > methods

> > > > > > > and application and implications

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple

> town of

> > > > > culture

> > > > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart

> but

> > > they

> > > > > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its

> future

> > > effect

> > > > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they

> > > prescribe

> > > > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one

> man

> > > > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said

> yes

> > > > > ,then

> > > > > > > he described an event what happened in his life

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to

> > > attent

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was

> office

> > > > > bearer

> > > > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical

> > > > > assossiation

> > > > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a

> nativ

> > > of

> > > > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he

> need

> > > to

> > > > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead

> and

> > > i

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the

> frnd

> > > > > doctor

> > > > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd

> asked

> > > him

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was

> not

> > > > > willing

> > > > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not

> having

> > > any

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon

> or

> > > moon

> > > > > sign

> > > > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of

> birth

> > > of

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > kids .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My

> > > eldest

> > > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that

> u

> > > > > wanted to

> > > > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b

> so

> > > ,but

> > > > > she

> > > > > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it

> > > those

> > > > > days

> > > > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into

> MBBS

> > > when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the

> purticular

> > > > > stream

> > > > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying

> why

> > > did

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola

> > > prashna

> > > > > etc

> > > > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and

> may

> > > b in

> > > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a

> > > purticular

> > > > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna )

> they r

> > > > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well

> being of

> > > a

> > > > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any

> Birth

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > > individualy but declare results independently for each

> memebr in

> > > > > family

> > > > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b

> 100 to

> > > 300

> > > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some

> Mag

> > > in a

> > > > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji

> conducted

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single

> > > prashna

> > > > > )

> > > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna

> and

> > > the

> > > > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many

> of

> > > the

> > > > > events

> > > > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the

> details

> > > he

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there

> will b

> > > 2

> > > > > grps

> > > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who

> is

> > > > > arguing

> > > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's

> and

> > > hora s

> > > > > --

> > > > > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv

> this or

> > > i

> > > > > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask

> abt

> > > > > efficacy

> > > > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called

> > > moderators

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand

> u as

> > > > > trouble

> > > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of

> tradition

> > > .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and

> even

> > > in

> > > > > grp

> > > > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy

> -Jataka-

> > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth

> > > time as

> > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person

> as it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let

> me

> > > > > conclud

> > > > > > > here

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks and with regrds

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sunil nair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

> venkatachala

> > > pathi

> > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology)

> is

> > > > > primarily

> > > > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the

> events

> > > in

> > > > > one's

> > > > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or

> > > action,

> > > > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of

> > > Natal's

> > > > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the

> > > > > 'results'

> > > > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian

> school

> > > of

> > > > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before

> Standard

> > > Time

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in

> > > giving

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a

> few

> > > give

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance ofÂ

> head

> > > or

> > > > > part

> > > > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is

> > > removed

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time

> given

> > > by a

> > > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her

> > > mother

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in

> theÂ

> > > > > > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay

> on

> > > the

> > > > > > > correct time 'given' to him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to

> 'second'

> > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > important to study the birth chart of both children, as

> few

> > > > > > > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda'

> > > -Â

> > > > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the position

> ofÂ

> > > > > Planets

> > > > > > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you

> will

> > > > > note

> > > > > > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become

> complecated as

> > > 'at

> > > > > > > face' become same. It is not so when you actually

> 'thread'

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a

> > > > > perticular

> > > > > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an

> Astrologer to

> > > > > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will

> 'shorten'

> > > to

> > > > > arrive

> > > > > > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time

> > > consuming

> > > > > > > analysis under Dasha system.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the

> moment

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth

> > > charts,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are

> > > simple

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and

> > > years

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could

> help

> > > to

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house'Â more

> near to

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen

> > > > > acceptedÂ

> > > > > > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive atÂ

> > > possible

> > > > > date

> > > > > > > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an

> > > Election

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > more practical and immediate events for whichÂ

> instant

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > are required.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great

> Astrologer

> > > Guru

> > > > > > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many

> > > Astrologers

> > > > > near

> > > > > > > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event

> > > questions'

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and

> > > practice

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of

> > > Astrology.

> > > > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct

> > > > > 'Predictive

> > > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of

> > > hues,

> > > > > while

> > > > > > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, Â

> > > > > > > > Astrologer,

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Re: Jataka and

> Prashna

> > > -

> > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,

> > > > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.

> > > > > > > > Here i would like to add that;

> > > > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public

> > > forum

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > a privilege of every member but ending the

> discussion on

> > > the

> > > > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > > > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the

> topic

> > > > > remains

> > > > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to stopÂ

> > > their

> > > > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without

> conclusion

> > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija

> sckursija (AT) (DOT)

> > > > > com>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,

> > > > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary

> chart

> > > today.

> > > > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit

> that

> > > the

> > > > > natal

> > > > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is

> for

> > > the

> > > > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > > native.

> > > > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char

> in

> > > some

> > > > > > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest?

> When

> > > my

> > > > > > > servant will come back? etc.

> > > > > > > > >RegardsÂ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and

> Prashna

> > > -

> > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>Â

> > > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but

> written in

> > > > > Prashna

> > > > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two

> thoughts

> > > or

> > > > > ways:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and

> > > accept

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come

> back

> > > with

> > > > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg

> that

> > > > > horoary

> > > > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.

> > > > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this

> > > society.

> > > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect

> the

> > > same

> > > > > > > from you.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>regds

> > > > > > > > >>Dev

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " Lalkitab "

> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such

> > > > > capabilities

> > > > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > > > > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would

> pursue

> > > his

> > > > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.

> > > > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of

> > > being a

> > > > > > > Tirthankar.

> > > > > > > > >>> Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " axeplex "

> > > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from

> point

> > > of

> > > > > view

> > > > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean

> it.

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here

> are

> > > slokas

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. †" That person, who has mastery of

> this

> > > > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a

> > > > > religious

> > > > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is

> well

> > > > > versed

> > > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a

> > > > > Daivajnya or

> > > > > > > seer.

> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. †" All the predictions made by such

> a

> > > person

> > > > > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned support

> this

> > > > > > > statement.

> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. †" He who has acquired a thorough

> > > knowledge

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas,

> who

> > > has

> > > > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret

> mantra by

> > > a

> > > > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had

> > > enough.

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Dev

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > Kulbir

> > > > > Bains

> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider

> the

> > > > > spirit,

> > > > > > > whenever the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should

> get

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > guidance,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is

> divine.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex

> <axeplex@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But

> > > when it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > KP Horary,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I

> > > know)(You

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > refer to KP

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that

> > > fixes

> > > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this

> > > chart.

> > > > > Then

> > > > > > > Ruling planets

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time

> (not

> > > native

> > > > > > > chart). Common

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two.

> Vimshottari

> > > Dasa

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > studied, a period

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and

> then

> > > > > within

> > > > > > > that period,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person

> to

> > > > > comment

> > > > > > > on KP and you

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be

> > > > > understood

> > > > > > > but " Aj de taim

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde

> ne.

> > > Te

> > > > > kinne

> > > > > > > astrloger ne

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar

> > > samhita)

> > > > > jeende

> > > > > > > ne)

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dev

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give

> paramount

> > > > > importance

> > > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to

> coincide

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > planetary

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected.

> Kindly

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > me if i am wrong.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by

> > > something

> > > > > > > divine.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:

> Jataka

> > > and

> > > > > > > Prashna - Priority to

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg

> > > prefers

> > > > > horary

> > > > > > > but what is

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of

> > > this?

> > > > > This

> > > > > > > is my question.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power

> associated

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > it, then person

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of

> such

> > > people

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > there in this

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > world?

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > regds

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > com,

> > > > > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying

> to

> > > point

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > is one of the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result

> differs

> > > > > PRASHNA

> > > > > > > should be given

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal

> chart -

> > > i.e.

> > > > > > > Jataka)!

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga

> and

> > > that

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > one of the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text

> prashna

> > > > > marga

> > > > > > > stands - and

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important

> > > advice

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > by Prashna

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And

> there

> > > is

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > good scope for

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to

> > > address

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > question - " WHY

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is

> > > > > available in

> > > > > > > Prashnamarga

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of

> the

> > > > > > > intricate pointers

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge

> > > Sunil

> > > > > ji

> > > > > > > provides.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> .

> > > com,

> > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//Â the period

> is

> > > bad

> > > > > > > according to birthchart

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is

> > > > > > > best //

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and

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[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir JI,

 

I love to do that and share my View to group.....

Please provide Name of Book and Page number (since i have not touched

LK till date)....that will help me lot....

 

P.S.i have downloaded Copy of LK vol-1/2/3

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

 

Lalkitab wrote:

 

 

Dear Devi Singh ji,

Lalkitab has provided a table for annual transit of planets upto 120

years. I have seen best of mathematicians, software engineers,

astrologers etc. trying to decode the formula but with no success.

kindly give it a try.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

,

devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar JI,

>

> I am Devisingh Rajput (Master of Science,Computer

> Engineer,Teacher,Lawyer,Astrologer..etc )

> (if anybody want can reach to my home through google my

> profile/data/cell everything is there on Net)......If anybody

want else

> info i am ready to give.....

>

> Please pardon me if i hurt anybody though that was not

> intention.....sharing has to be taken as wealth of thoughts

for benefit

> of astrology....

>

> Mr Dev(whoever he is)......he is different Person on this

forum.....

>

> You have pointed out that leakage tank example and higher math

those

> article was from me .....i left those not to trouble much

others....

> Everything with me and working silently for benefit of astrology

but not

> to waste anybody time i have enjoy what i have ...just wait for

season

> to come in astrology......

>

> All connected via group are friend and working for Astrology that

i can

> take granted from this group and being them consider friend is

good (at

> least Human are pron to err)

> As a senior you and other are always respected....everybody

have to live

> together in forum same as roof of god that is beauty.....

> If everything is predicted then no room for not predicted.....life

is

> like River it has flow...without flow in astrology It prone to

Death....

>

> If anybody have any query from my post i can answer those because

i am

> not posting without working from myside first....

>

> -I pray to God he will help to come out you from Bad health...

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Mr. Axe plex (Dev???),

> >

> > Talk to me directly.

> >

> > You are the only one who has wasted time of so many members

to the tune

> > of not hours, but days in senseless discussions. You make

claims

> > constantly but when anyone asks you for some anaylsis or

inputs,

> > everytime you search for escape routes and excuses, and never

return for

> > those Queries but come back with some other senseless

discussion. You

> > are just like that persdon advising in a gentry of

Haircutters about how

> > to cut hair, which example was specially meant for you.

> >

> > And stop sending mails on my personal id. I dont want to read

any

> > rubbish filth nor are you so important enough to enable a

reply from me.

> >

> > You dont know the basics of astrology, why are you wasting

time of

> > respected members like Shri Sunil Nairji who have lots of

pearls to

> > display, but displaying before..... And you want healthy

discussions ?

> > On what ? On higher mathematics ? On postings which nobody can

> > understand ? Except another fake id like yours which will

come up to

> > praise you ? You want to discuss on how water leakage froma

tank can be

> > predicted ? Then discuss please. Thats what we are asking you

since last

> > 3 months to show, discuss, produce, demonstrate and support

and

> > authenticate your claims, but you are talking senseless all

the times

> > and commenting on others comments ?

> >

> > You say that your responses will take time ? Do you know

anything att

> > all to respond by the way ? As usual you will expect people

to forget

> > this and come back again with something silly and want people

to listen

> > to you, which you will call as "Healthy discussion". Thank

God at least

> > I have not wasted my time with such healthy discussions in

last few

> > weeks with you.

> >

> > And you have a problem about my using terms like "Hair

Stylists"

> > and"Hair cutters". Listen I am a genuine member here who has

right to

> > comment. Before you raise a motion of opposition for me,

please prove

> > your genuinity by allowing members to know your real name,

contact

> > particulars and about yourself.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

 

> > <%40>,

"axeplex"

> > <axeplex@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Sunilji,

> > >

> > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since

you have

> > raised the issue :

> > >

> > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times )

and even in

> > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy

-Jataka-

> > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth

time as

> > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as

it will

> > only leads to further healthy discussion .///

> > >

> > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my

name, there is no

> > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a

healthy

> > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like "hair

cutting",

> > "hair stylists" etc. At least, I don't think this group is a

hair

> > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss

privately on

> > your mail id.

> > >

> > > My responses may take time....

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> > >

> > >

 

> > <%40>,

"Sunil"

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji

> > > >

> > > > Namaskar and pranams

> > > >

> > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up

> > > >

> > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l

grp and not as a

> > reply

> > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so

pardon me in

> > case of

> > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a

good person )

> > > >

> > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp )

was this --- when

> > the

> > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results

what we wil take ??

> > > > natal or prashna for guidance .

> > > >

> > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora

,dasadhyayi etc ) and

> > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing

omens ,the events

> > and

> > > > tallying with the events happening happend during

the time of birth

> > (

> > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as

prasutika adyaya ) .So

> > the

> > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a

problem for old

> > learned

> > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where

used ,how many

> > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress

etc to the oil

> > consumed

> > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha (

the delivery room

> > etc

> > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa

-antar tawa methods

> > and

> > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if

reported birth time

> > is

> > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .

> > > >

> > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places

like under a tree or

> > in

> > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> > > >

> > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in

kerala is not

> > the

> > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in

rising sign or udaya

> > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which

rising sign will

> > b 2

> > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r

groping in dark and

> > in

> > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of

emergency the

> > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this

method has more

> > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and

efficient

> > > >

> > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite

has various methods

> > > > and application and implications

> > > >

> > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in

temple town of

> > culture

> > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of

this

> > > >

> > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults

any chart but they

> > > > just giv out results including what for u came and

its future effect

> > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur

problems they prescribe

> > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .

> > > >

> > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in

delhi .one man

> > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a

astrologer .i said yes

> > ,then

> > > > he described an event what happened in his life

> > > >

> > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and

he went to attent

> > some

> > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as

he was office

> > bearer

> > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian

medical

> > assossiation

> > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that

frnd is a nativ of

> > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him

that he need to

> > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can

go ahead and i

> > dont

> > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance

of the frnd

> > doctor

> > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over

the frnd asked him

> > to

> > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions

..He was not

> > willing

> > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was

not having any

> > birth

> > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position

of moon or moon

> > sign

> > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the

day of birth of

> > his

> > > > kids .

> > > >

> > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know

future of My eldest

> > > > daughter only rgrds to her education

> > > >

> > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told

him that u wanted

> > to

> > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also

wanted to b so ,but

> > she

> > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology

..and mind it those

> > days

> > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she

got into MBBS when

> > the

> > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into

the purticular

> > stream

> > > > she wanted and final option was gynac

> > > >

> > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is

worrying why did

> > not

> > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life

> > > >

> > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more

> > > >

> > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna

, Tamboola prashna

> > etc

> > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of

india and may b in

> > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .

> > > >

> > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b

for a purticular

> > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala

prashna ) they r

> > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete

well being of a

> > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to

consult any Birth

> > charts

> > > > individualy but declare results independently for

each memebr in

> > family

> > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there

may b 100 to 300

> > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read

in some Mag in a

> > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao

Ji conducted such

> > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a

single prashna )

> > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the

prashna and the

> > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin

point many of the

> > events

> > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking

the details he

> > was

> > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna

there will b 2

> > grps

> > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and

other who is

> > arguing

> > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with

pramana 's and hora s

> > --

> > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i

blv this or i

> > > > invented this -here in some net forums when

we ask abt

> > efficacy

> > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so

called moderators

> > are

> > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try

to brand u as

> > trouble

> > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part

of tradition .

> > > >

> > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times

) and even in

> > grp

> > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > >

> > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of

horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must

use a birth time as

> > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular

person as it

> > will

> > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .

> > > >

> > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of

time ,let me

> > conclud

> > > > here

> > > >

> > > > thanks and with regrds

> > > >

> > > > sunil nair

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

 

> > <%40>,

venkatachala pathi

> > > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sirs,

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary'

astrology) is

> > primarily

> > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find outÂ

the events in

> > one's

> > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's

attempts or action,

> > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and

resultes of Natal's

> > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to

arrive at the

> > 'results'

> > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In

Indian school of

> > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even

before Standard Time

> > was

> > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are

errors in giving

> > the

> > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants,

while a few give

> > the

> > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance ofÂ

head or

> > part

> > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the

child is removed

> > from

> > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between

the time given by a

> > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was

told by her mother

> > that

> > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk

in theÂ

> > > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer

cannot relay on the

> > > > correct time 'given' to him.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time

difference to 'second'

> > becomes

> > > > important to study the birth chart of both

children, as few

> > > > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka-

pinda' -Â

> > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the

position ofÂ

> > Planets

> > > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed.

There you will

> > note

> > > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become

complecated as 'at

> > > > face' become same. It is not so when you actually

'thread' their

> > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to

'trace' a

> > perticular

> > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an

Astrologer to

> > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will

'shorten' to

> > arrive

> > > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to

time consuming

> > > > analysis under Dasha system.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method

taking the moment of

> > the

> > > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the

birth charts,

> > and

> > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The

methods are simple

> > and

> > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in

months and years

> > of

> > > > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this

could help to

> > find

> > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house'Â more

near to

> > correct

> > > > date, than looking through calculations under

half-a- dozen

> > acceptedÂ

> > > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive atÂ

possible

> > date

> > > > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an

Election

> > and

> > > > more practical and immediate events for whichÂ

instant

> > results

> > > > are required.

> > > > >

> > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by

great Astrologer Guru

> > > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many

Astrologers

> > near

> > > > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event

questions'

> > with

> > > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist

and practice

> > with

> > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method

of Astrology.

> > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to

correct

> > 'Predictive

> > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large

space of hues,

> > while

> > > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > A.V.Pathi, Â

> > > > > Astrologer,

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > >

 

> > <%40>

> > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM

> > > > > Re:

Re: Jataka and Prashna -

> > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Sir Kursija ji,

> > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.

> > > > > Here i would like to add that;

> > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic;

on a public forum

> > is

> > > > a privilege of every member but ending the

discussion on the

> > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached

at;- the topic

> > remains

> > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to

stop their

> > > > observations but dictates to end discussions

without conclusion

> > doesn't

> > > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija

sckursija (AT) (DOT)

> > com>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > >Respected Dev ji,

> > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal

and Horary chart today.

> > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to

submit that the

> > natal

> > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray

chart is for the

> > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the

whole life of the

> > > > native.

> > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance

over Nastal char in some

> > > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the

guest? When my

> > > > servant will come back? etc.

> > > > > >RegardsÂ

> > > > > >

> > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex

axeplex > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology]

Re: Jataka and Prashna -

> > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

> > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51

PM

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>Â

> > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not

written by me but written in

> > Prashna

> > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are

two thoughts or

> > ways:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not

close your eyes and accept

> > what

> > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not

come back with

> > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna

marg that

> > horoary

> > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.

> > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what

book says.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are

requird to run this society.

> > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this

discussion, so expect the same

> > > > from you.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>regds

> > > > > >>Dev

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com, "Lalkitab"

> > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would

a person with such

> > capabilities

> > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains

such a stage would pursue his

> > > > spiritual progress full throttle.

> > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to

study the procedure of being a

> > > > Tirthankar.

> > > > > >>> Regards

> > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com, "axeplex"

> > > > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I

personally agree from point of

> > view

> > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I

really mean it.

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring

to Prashna Marg, here are slokas

> > of

> > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of

sloka 18):

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. âEUR" That

person, who has mastery of this

> > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics

who leads a

> > religious

> > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and

who is well

> > versed

> > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be

called a

> > Daivajnya or

> > > > seer.

> > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. âEUR" All the

predictions made by such a person

> > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned

support this

> > > > statement.

> > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. âEUR" He who has

acquired a thorough knowledge

> > of

> > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five

siddhantas, who has

> > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a

secret mantra by a

> > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this

discussion. Already had enough.

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > Dev

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_

astrology, Kulbir

> > Bains

> > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get

entangled in words, consider the

> > spirit,

> > > > whenever the

> > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers

that the individual should get

> > some

> > > > guidance,

> > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy

tool, only this part is divine.

> > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the

divinity of astrologer.

> > > > > >>> > > Regards

> > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at

9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses

Ruling Planets of current time. But when it

> > is

> > > > KP Horary,

> > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not

used. (This is as far as I know)(You

> > may

> > > > refer to KP

> > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what

they have to say)

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a

number is chosen by native that fixes

> > > > Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > > >>> > > > significators of

an event are chosen from this chart.

> > Then

> > > > Ruling planets

> > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the

normal chart of that time (not native

> > > > chart). Common

> > > > > >>> > > > planets are

decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa

> > is

> > > > studied, a period

> > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on

the shortlisted planets and then

> > within

> > > > that period,

> > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen

to time the events.

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I

would not be the best person to

> > comment

> > > > on KP and you

> > > > > >>> > > > need to cross

check it.

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power

association for prasna can be

> > understood

> > > > but "Aj de taim

> > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e

jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te

> > kinne

> > > > astrloger ne

> > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer

waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita)

> > jeende

> > > > ne)

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > Dev

> > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > --- In

ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology%

40. com>,

> > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb

<lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I

think KP astrologers give paramount

> > importance

> > > > to the

> > > > > >>> > > > planetary

positions in the natal chart to coincide with

> > the

> > > > planetary

> > > > > >>> > > > position when the

prashan chart is erected. Kindly

> > correct

> > > > me if i am wrong.

> > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide

prashna chart is ordinated by something

> > > > divine.

> > > > > >>> > > > > Regards

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu,

11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex

<axeplex@>

> > > > > >>> > > > > Subject:

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and

> > > > Prashna - Priority to

> > > > > >>> > > > which, when and

why?

> > > > > >>> > > > > To:

ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology%

40. com>

> > > > > >>> > > > > Date:

Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Ã,

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about

this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers

> > horary

> > > > but what is

> > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind

it? What is scientific basis of this?

> > This

> > > > is my question.

> > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we

say there is divine power associated

> > with

> > > > it, then person

> > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally

spiritual. And how many of such people

> > are

> > > > there in this

> > > > > >>> > > > world?

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > regds

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > Dev

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > --- In

ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear

Kulbir ji,

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > You are

right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point

> > to

> > > > is one of the

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > >

trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > * When

Natal chart and Prashna result differs

> > PRASHNA

> > > > should be given

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > >

importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e.

> > > > Jataka)!

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > This is

the advice given by Prashna Marga and that

> > is

> > > > one of the

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar

thoughts on which the whole text prashna

> > marga

> > > > stands - and

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous

scholars miss this very important advice

> > given

> > > > by Prashna

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > marga.

Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is

> > very

> > > > good scope for

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > >

informative discussion, if someone try to address

> > the

> > > > question - "WHY

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > >

Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is

> > available in

> > > > Prashnamarga

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It

seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the

> > > > intricate pointers

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > based on

traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil

> > ji

> > > > provides.

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and

regards,

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > --- In

ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > >

<lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > >

Sir, a wild guess;//ÃfâEURs( the period is bad

> > > > according to birthchart

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > >

//prashna ÃfâEURs( revealed the period is

> > > > bestÃfâEURs( //

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > >

Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and

> > prashana

> > > > ÃfâEURs( indications

> > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > > > > > are

correct.

> > > > > >>> > > > >

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> > > > > >>> > > > > > >

Regards

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[Guest guest]

Dear Vijay JI,

 

I Love to contribute Astrology in My way.....nobody Dare to say It is

not working (i will show how it is working with mechanism which modern

science says with proof and book reference)...it takes its own time

with God Grace..

 

--who live Contradictions ...can come up above all contradictions...

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

 

vijay.goel wrote:

 

 

Dear DeviSinghji,

 

I will support Kulbhir Bhai, Please give it a try.

We might get benefited from you.

 

Thankyou,

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

 

,

"Lalkitab" <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Dear Devi Singh ji,

> Lalkitab has provided a table for annual transit of planets upto

120 years. I have seen best of mathematicians, software engineers,

astrologers etc. trying to decode the formula but with no success.

kindly give it a try.

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> ,

devisigh <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar JI,

> >

> > I am Devisingh Rajput (Master of Science,Computer

> > Engineer,Teacher,Lawyer,Astrologer..etc )

> > (if anybody want can reach to my home through google my

> > profile/data/cell everything is there on Net)......If

anybody want else

> > info i am ready to give.....

> >

> > Please pardon me if i hurt anybody though that was not

> > intention.....sharing has to be taken as wealth of

thoughts for benefit

> > of astrology....

> >

> > Mr Dev(whoever he is)......he is different Person on this

forum.....

> >

> > You have pointed out that leakage tank example and higher

math those

> > article was from me .....i left those not to trouble much

others....

> > Everything with me and working silently for benefit of

astrology but not

> > to waste anybody time i have enjoy what i have ...just wait

for season

> > to come in astrology......

> >

> > All connected via group are friend and working for Astrology

that i can

> > take granted from this group and being them consider friend

is good (at

> > least Human are pron to err)

> > As a senior you and other are always respected....everybody

have to live

> > together in forum same as roof of god that is beauty.....

> > If everything is predicted then no room for not predicted.....life

is

> > like River it has flow...without flow in astrology It prone

to Death....

> >

> > If anybody have any query from my post i can answer those

because i am

> > not posting without working from myside first....

> >

> > -I pray to God he will help to come out you from Bad health...

> > ------------------

> > Regards,

> > Devisingh

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mr. Axe plex (Dev???),

> > >

> > > Talk to me directly.

> > >

> > > You are the only one who has wasted time of so many

members to the tune

> > > of not hours, but days in senseless discussions. You

make claims

> > > constantly but when anyone asks you for some anaylsis or

inputs,

> > > everytime you search for escape routes and excuses, and

never return for

> > > those Queries but come back with some other senseless

discussion. You

> > > are just like that persdon advising in a gentry of

Haircutters about how

> > > to cut hair, which example was specially meant for you.

> > >

> > > And stop sending mails on my personal id. I dont want to

read any

> > > rubbish filth nor are you so important enough to enable

a reply from me.

> > >

> > > You dont know the basics of astrology, why are you

wasting time of

> > > respected members like Shri Sunil Nairji who have lots

of pearls to

> > > display, but displaying before..... And you want healthy

discussions ?

> > > On what ? On higher mathematics ? On postings which

nobody can

> > > understand ? Except another fake id like yours which

will come up to

> > > praise you ? You want to discuss on how water leakage

froma tank can be

> > > predicted ? Then discuss please. Thats what we are

asking you since last

> > > 3 months to show, discuss, produce, demonstrate and

support and

> > > authenticate your claims, but you are talking senseless

all the times

> > > and commenting on others comments ?

> > >

> > > You say that your responses will take time ? Do you know

anything att

> > > all to respond by the way ? As usual you will expect

people to forget

> > > this and come back again with something silly and want

people to listen

> > > to you, which you will call as "Healthy discussion".

Thank God at least

> > > I have not wasted my time with such healthy discussions

in last few

> > > weeks with you.

> > >

> > > And you have a problem about my using terms like "Hair

Stylists"

> > > and"Hair cutters". Listen I am a genuine member here who

has right to

> > > comment. Before you raise a motion of opposition for me,

please prove

> > > your genuinity by allowing members to know your real

name, contact

> > > particulars and about yourself.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

 

> > > <%40>,

"axeplex"

> > > <axeplex@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sunilji,

> > > >

> > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but

since you have

> > > raised the issue :

> > > >

> > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many

times ) and even in

> > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of

horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a

birth time as

> > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular

person as it will

> > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my

name, there is no

> > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it

a healthy

> > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like

"hair cutting",

> > > "hair stylists" etc. At least, I don't think this group

is a hair

> > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss

privately on

> > > your mail id.

> > > >

> > > > My responses may take time....

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

 

> > > <%40>,

"Sunil"

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar and pranams

> > > > >

> > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up

> > > > >

> > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole

l grp and not as a

> > > reply

> > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented

here -so pardon me in

> > > case of

> > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r

such a good person )

> > > > >

> > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in

grp ) was this --- when

> > > the

> > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in

results what we wil take ??

> > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .

> > > > >

> > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora

,dasadhyayi etc ) and

> > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by

observing omens ,the events

> > > and

> > > > > tallying with the events happening happend

during the time of birth

> > > (

> > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as

prasutika adyaya ) .So

> > > the

> > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not

a problem for old

> > > learned

> > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps

where used ,how many

> > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and

dress etc to the oil

> > > consumed

> > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika

graha ( the delivery room

> > > etc

> > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is

Tatwa -antar tawa methods

> > > and

> > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if

reported birth time

> > > is

> > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some

questions .

> > > > >

> > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt

places like under a tree or

> > > in

> > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> > > > >

> > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna

employed in kerala is not

> > > the

> > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in

rising sign or udaya

> > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers

which rising sign will

> > > b 2

> > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they

r groping in dark and

> > > in

> > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in

case of emergency the

> > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say

this method has more

> > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able

and efficient

> > > > >

> > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a

keralite has various methods

> > > > > and application and implications

> > > > >

> > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up

in temple town of

> > > culture

> > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware

of this

> > > > >

> > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr

consults any chart but they

> > > > > just giv out results including what for u came

and its future effect

> > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur

problems they prescribe

> > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30

minits .

> > > > >

> > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony

in delhi .one man

> > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a

astrologer .i said yes

> > > ,then

> > > > > he described an event what happened in his life

> > > > >

> > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also )

and he went to attent

> > > some

> > > > > official function of doctors in kerala

,calicut as he was office

> > > bearer

> > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think

indian medical

> > > assossiation

> > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and

that frnd is a nativ of

> > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told

him that he need to

> > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said

u can go ahead and i

> > > dont

> > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on

insistance of the frnd

> > > doctor

> > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy

over the frnd asked him

> > > to

> > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any

questions .He was not

> > > willing

> > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he

was not having any

> > > birth

> > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the

position of moon or moon

> > > sign

> > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only

the day of birth of

> > > his

> > > > > kids .

> > > > >

> > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know

future of My eldest

> > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education

> > > > >

> > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies

told him that u wanted

> > > to

> > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she

also wanted to b so ,but

> > > she

> > > > > will become a doctor specialising in

Gynacology .and mind it those

> > > days

> > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after

she got into MBBS when

> > > the

> > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got

into the purticular

> > > stream

> > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac

> > > > >

> > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the

Doctor is worrying why did

> > > not

> > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life

> > > > >

> > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is

No more

> > > > >

> > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri

prashna , Tamboola prashna

> > > etc

> > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts

of india and may b in

> > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .

> > > > >

> > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need

not b for a purticular

> > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala

prashna ) they r

> > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know

complete well being of a

> > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to

consult any Birth

> > > charts

> > > > > individualy but declare results independently

for each memebr in

> > > family

> > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families

there may b 100 to 300

> > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I

read in some Mag in a

> > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN

rao Ji conducted such

> > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7

days ( a single prashna )

> > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in

the prashna and the

> > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to

pin point many of the

> > > events

> > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or

asking the details he

> > > was

> > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such

prashna there will b 2

> > > grps

> > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna

and other who is

> > > arguing

> > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with

pramana 's and hora s

> > > --

> > > > > Not the usual net forum style of

announcing i blv this or i

> > > > > invented this -here in some net forums

when we ask abt

> > > efficacy

> > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the

so called moderators

> > > are

> > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will

try to brand u as

> > > trouble

> > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is

part of tradition .

> > > > >

> > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many

times ) and even in

> > > grp

> > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > >

> > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of

horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we

must use a birth time as

> > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a

purticular person as it

> > > will

> > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .

> > > > >

> > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack

of time ,let me

> > > conclud

> > > > > here

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks and with regrds

> > > > >

> > > > > sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

 

> > > <%40>,

venkatachala pathi

> > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as

'Horary' astrology) is

> > > primarily

> > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find

out the events in

> > > one's

> > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's

attempts or action,

> > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and

resultes of Natal's

> > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to

arrive at the

> > > 'results'

> > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In

Indian school of

> > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced

even before Standard Time

> > > was

> > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and

are errors in giving

> > > the

> > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the

attendants, while a few give

> > > the

> > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance

of head or

> > > part

> > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of

the child is removed

> > > from

> > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist

between the time given by a

> > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she

was told by her mother

> > > that

> > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver

milk in theÂ

> > > > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer

cannot relay on the

> > > > > correct time 'given' to him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time

difference to 'second'

> > > becomes

> > > > > important to study the birth chart of both

children, as few

> > > > > minutes close to each other, could deliver

'Eka- pinda' -Â

> > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time,

the position ofÂ

> > > Planets

> > > > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed.

There you will

> > > note

> > > > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become

complecated as 'at

> > > > > face' become same. It is not so when you

actually 'thread' their

> > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology,

to 'trace' a

> > > perticular

> > > > > event for one of the children, become handy

for an Astrologer to

> > > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method

will 'shorten' to

> > > arrive

> > > > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared

to time consuming

> > > > > analysis under Dasha system.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this

method taking the moment of

> > > the

> > > > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference

in the birth charts,

> > > and

> > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The

methods are simple

> > > and

> > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident

in months and years

> > > of

> > > > > practice to arrive at right results. Say,

this could help to

> > > find

> > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house'Â

more near to

> > > correct

> > > > > date, than looking through calculations under

half-a- dozen

> > > acceptedÂ

> > > > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to

arrive at possible

> > > date

> > > > > of marriage or of a child birth or success

in an Election

> > > and

> > > > > more practical and immediate events for

which instant

> > > results

> > > > > are required.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available

by great Astrologer Guru

> > > > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken

many Astrologers

> > > near

> > > > > to correct predictions for solving subtle

'event questions'

> > > with

> > > > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts

exist and practice

> > > with

> > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this

method of Astrology.

> > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route

to correct

> > > 'Predictive

> > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a

large space of hues,

> > > while

> > > > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > A.V.Pathi, Â

> > > > > > Astrologer,

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > > >

 

> > > <%40>

> > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM

> > > > > > Re:

Re: Jataka and Prashna -

> > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,

> > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced

person.

> > > > > > Here i would like to add that;

> > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some

topic; on a public forum

> > > is

> > > > > a privilege of every member but ending the

discussion on the

> > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is

reached at;- the topic

> > > remains

> > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are

free to stop their

> > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions

without conclusion

> > > doesn't

> > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C.

Kursija sckursija (AT) (DOT)

> > > com>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,

> > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on

Natal and Horary chart today.

> > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I

like to submit that the

> > > natal

> > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and

Hoaray chart is for the

> > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss

the whole life of the

> > > > > native.

> > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has

imprtance over Nastal char in some

> > > > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive

the guest? When my

> > > > > servant will come back? etc.

> > > > > > >RegardsÂ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex

axeplex > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex (AT) (DOT)

com>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna -

> > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

> > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010,

12:51 PM

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>Â

> > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not

written by me but written in

> > > Prashna

> > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There

are two thoughts or

> > > ways:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can

not close your eyes and accept

> > > what

> > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one

can not come back with

> > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in

Prashna marg that

> > > horoary

> > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.

> > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and

what book says.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and

are requird to run this society.

> > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this

discussion, so expect the same

> > > > > from you.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>regds

> > > > > > >>Dev

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com, "Lalkitab"

> > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why

would a person with such

> > > capabilities

> > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for

others.

> > > > > > >>> Instead any person who

attains such a stage would pursue his

> > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.

> > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have

to study the procedure of being a

> > > > > Tirthankar.

> > > > > > >>> Regards

> > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_

astrology, "axeplex"

> > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have

written, I personally agree from point of

> > > view

> > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this.

I really mean it.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > I thought you are

referring to Prashna Marg, here are slokas

> > > of

> > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of

sloka 18):

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. âEUR" That

person, who has mastery of this

> > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of

mathematics who leads a

> > > religious

> > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from

conceit and who is well

> > > versed

> > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone

can be called a

> > > Daivajnya or

> > > > > seer.

> > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. âEUR" All

the predictions made by such a person

> > > > > will come true and will never be false. The

learned support this

> > > > > statement.

> > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. âEUR" He who

has acquired a thorough knowledge

> > > of

> > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the

five siddhantas, who has

> > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into

a secret mantra by a

> > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave

this discussion. Already had enough.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Dev

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_

astrology, Kulbir

> > > Bains

> > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't

get entangled in words, consider the

> > > spirit,

> > > > > whenever the

> > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme

considers that the individual should get

> > > some

> > > > > guidance,

> > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a

handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with

the divinity of astrologer.

> > > > > > >>> > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12,

2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses

Ruling Planets of current time. But when it

> > > is

> > > > > KP Horary,

> > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart

is not used. (This is as far as I know)(You

> > > may

> > > > > refer to KP

> > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars

what they have to say)

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary,

a number is chosen by native that fixes

> > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > > > >>> > > > significators

of an event are chosen from this chart.

> > > Then

> > > > > Ruling planets

> > > > > > >>> > > > are taken

from the normal chart of that time (not native

> > > > > chart). Common

> > > > > > >>> > > > planets are

decided based on the two. Vimshottari Dasa

> > > is

> > > > > studied, a period

> > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen

based on the shortlisted planets and then

> > > within

> > > > > that period,

> > > > > > >>> > > > transits are

seen to time the events.

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > But in any

case, I would not be the best person to

> > > comment

> > > > > on KP and you

> > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross

check it.

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine

power association for prasna can be

> > > understood

> > > > > but "Aj de taim

> > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e

jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne. Te

> > > kinne

> > > > > astrloger ne

> > > > > > >>> > > > jeede

astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar samhita)

> > > jeende

> > > > > ne)

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > Dev

> > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > --- In

ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology%

40. com>,

> > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb

<lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear

Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount

> > > importance

> > > > > to the

> > > > > > >>> > > > planetary

positions in the natal chart to coincide with

> > > the

> > > > > planetary

> > > > > > >>> > > > position when

the prashan chart is erected. Kindly

> > > correct

> > > > > me if i am wrong.

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance

vide prashna chart is ordinated by something

> > > > > divine.

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir

Bains

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On

Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Subject:

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and

> > > > > Prashna - Priority to

> > > > > > >>> > > > which, when

and why?

> > > > > > >>> > > > > To:

ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology%

40. com>

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Date:

Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

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> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Ã,

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

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> > > > > > >>> > > > >

Sreenadhji,

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry

about this but I am aware Prashnamarg prefers

> > > horary

> > > > > but what is

> > > > > > >>> > > > the logic

behind it? What is scientific basis of this?

> > > This

> > > > > is my question.

> > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if

we say there is divine power associated

> > > with

> > > > > it, then person

> > > > > > >>> > > > has to be

equally spiritual. And how many of such people

> > > are

> > > > > there in this

> > > > > > >>> > > > world?

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > regds

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > --- In

ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > You

are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to point

> > > to

> > > > > is one of the

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > *

When Natal chart and Prashna result differs

> > > PRASHNA

> > > > > should be given

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

importance and weightage (and not Natal chart - i.e.

> > > > > Jataka)!

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and that

> > > is

> > > > > one of the

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna

> > > marga

> > > > > stands - and

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

numerous scholars miss this very important advice

> > > given

> > > > > by Prashna

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there is

> > > very

> > > > > good scope for

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

informative discussion, if someone try to address

> > > the

> > > > > question - "WHY

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is

> > > available in

> > > > > Prashnamarga

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

itself).

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the

> > > > > intricate pointers

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

based on traditional astrology and knowledge Sunil

> > > ji

> > > > > provides.

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

Love and regards,

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

Sreenadh

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > ---

In ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > > Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

<lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> Sir, a wild guess;//ÃfâEURs( the period is bad

> > > > > according to birthchart

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

//prashna ÃfâEURs( revealed the period is

> > > > > bestÃfâEURs( //

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and

> > > prashana

> > > > > ÃfâEURs( indications

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > are

correct.

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> Regards

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> Kulbir Bains

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Dear dev Ji u promised me u will tell me scientific basis of natal astrology ,now atleast for the time being let us not discuss the astronomy ( then discussion may divert to surya sidhantic (kerala version ) kasi/varanasi version ,drik paksha ,snake (pampu )paksha ,vakya paksha etc etc for ascertaining planets and co ordinates ) and panchanga etc is not part of spherical astronomy my question is why we need to use such planets in delienating results or birth chart itself ??what is its logic /on what logic /reason we need to use it ??what is the foundation ( basis ) of it for using such data ??why cant u use some thing else ??hope now it is clear and understandable rgrds sunil nairhope still there is no confusion abt it , "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Sunilji,> > If you want me to add astronomy is the base and this that.....ASc/ Planets/ signs/ panchanga etc. etc., the basic foundation of astrology, then what is the point in writing such things. It is up to you, you want to waste your time and not. Subject was restarted by you indirectly, I had already written that I do not wish to discuss with you or anybody with strong ideals.> > //even when i drink a tea--that time also has all this> > qualities ,so where is the logic here //> > I could not understand it. If a native is born when you are drinking tea, definitely it has all those qualities. But if native visits you for horary at that time, not necessarily and depends on other factors too.> > regds,> Dev> > , "Sunil" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > dear dev Ji> > > > so this is ur understanding abt birth chart .> > > > in that case even when i drink a tea--that time also has all this> > qualities ,so where is the logic here ??> > > > u hav anything else to say or convey regrding the basis and base of> > natal horocopy and on which foundation it is based and its scientific> > basis ???> > > > if u r planning to waist my time i may hav to excuse frm this tread> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > , "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Sunilji,> > >> > > Leaving blah blah aside, last time you only advised, so I am not> > getting distracted what you wrote in the middle. In fact, I skipped that> > part while reading.> > >> > > Birth chart is based on when native is born. Yearly chart is based> > again related to native birth details and transit charts are the> > existing references that would be applied on the native chart. There is> > a significance since no one else is born with exact planetary references> > that were existing at the time of birth of a native.> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > >> > > , "Sunil"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear dev Ji> > > >> > > > u wrote> > > > -> > > > (If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday> > willing> > > > to learn))> > > >> > > > Pls stick to the norms of discussion ,i was expecting u to explain> > > > first what is the basis of natal chart as per our agreement .As i> > know> > > > once if u able to say that fact then u urself will hav answers for> > the> > > > discussions under tread which we r doing in grp .Here it is> > immaterial> > > > for me who supports me or who said what 'cause astrological thoughts> > > > which laid foundations for astro basics cannot b determined by vote> > of> > > > counting .So dont Look for shoulders to fire on somebody and keep> > > > firing stght .> > > >> > > > Again u r saying Horary is using of simple transit chart blah blah> > > > ,if so then what is birth chart ??can u illuminate me >R we like> > ravan> > > > Ji has power to command planets to sit in purticular house s (> > during> > > > the birth of his son IndraJit ) for a birth chart ??> > > >> > > >> > > > I expect ppl of ur stature to pr0nounce theories and dictums or> > > > sidhantha s in grp discussions only what u digested ( assimilated> > and> > > > find it is working which u find over a period of time ) than what> > is> > > > not digested and just vomiting around everything what ever comes in> > mind> > > > or what ever u read in net and grps in the name of> > astrology> > > > and discussions ( sorry to say this way -after lot of time waisting> > i> > > > still find u hav eagerness to Know ( i dont know if it for learning> > )> > > > but no humbleness to ask plainly which is required for a Jyothishi> > or> > > > student and ur ego is not allowing u to do so too .> > > >> > > > What i should or some body should understand frm the above statemnt> > of> > > > ur s --is it horary astrology is my invention and i am doing some> > crime> > > > by propogating it and it dont hav any scientific ( sastraic )basis> > ) ??> > > >> > > > so pls strt explaining why we shud use Birthcharts for seeing the> > > > future of a Human being ( let us forget other Living and non Living> > > > entities at present )and its basis ,what is its philosophical> > ,religious> > > > ,dharmic basis ?? can U explain How the so called birth chart can> > > > influence a person tru out his life according to ur own> > understanding.> > > >> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > > , "axeplex"> > <axeplex@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Thanks for your advice Sunilji.> > > > > As I have understood "Except that when native visits you, I can> > not> > > > relate anything logically to Horary chart". If there is something> > > > scientific, it seems more of using present transits or similar terms> > and> > > > applying yearly chart to natal chart. But yes, for some questions> > like> > > > (as Kursija ji wrote) who would win the match, shall I get my money> > > > back, horary holds upper hand due to its easy application.> > > > >> > > > > If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday> > willing> > > > to learn.> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "Sunil"> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Dev JI> > > > > >> > > > > > We can discuss in grps abt anything acdemicaly, provided we r> > > > here for> > > > > > sharing exprnces/knowledge ,at times when some body knows some> > > > thing> > > > > > for sure -as good as Lines in his hand he may b stubborn and> > dont> > > > think> > > > > > that it is some sort of dry argumnt or arguemnt due to some ego> > or> > > > > > idealism> > > > > >> > > > > > u asked me in prvt and in grp the scientific basis of prashna> > > > astrology> > > > > > and u the No-1 in argeing that prashna is nothing but natal> > chart> > > > > > prevails .how this both will tally ( what i said was in case of> > > > results> > > > > > of both diffrs then go by prashna than Natal chart again that> > is> > > > > > traditional prashna mostly- it is where astrologers devine grace> > and> > > > > > blessings frm guru and dharma devata s help him )> > > > > >> > > > > > so if u control urself and come to real mode of discussions then> > i> > > > dont> > > > > > think any one will try to hamper ur discussions> > > > > >> > > > > > i used to get many mails frm Kaul camps ,science of astrology> > > > (actualy> > > > > > they want reply in modern physical science terms than astrology> > > > itself> > > > > > is a sastra of its own ) camps ,and even frm self declared> > Blessed> > > > by> > > > > > Ma or this or that camps and persons himself who thinks they hav> > > > right> > > > > > to demolish everything .i used to ignore all this mails due to> > > > personal> > > > > > problems and commitments .> > > > > >> > > > > > some one frm last 5 months is senting me a grp CC mail that he> > > > decoded> > > > > > swami vivekanda chart and all the other gurus are farce and he> > is> > > > the> > > > > > one selected by Ma as saviour of astrology .And he has many> > > > undigested (> > > > > > he himself dont know how to appy it ) theorems .even he> > mentions my> > > > > > name many times in various grps who dont dare to argue with him> > > > > >> > > > > > so in net world all this is possible .> > > > > >> > > > > > if u r in for proper discussions where all of us can learn or> > > > > > upgrade/update our understanding and Knowledge ,then i dont> > think> > > > there> > > > > > will b distractions ,even if any pls learn to ignore it> > > > > >> > > > > > so in the Long run u will find that it was all nothing if u r> > > > serious> > > > > > abt ur approach in grp discussions ( it shud not b Like> > declarations> > > > > > that narayana dasa is superior and i can show u and then vanish> > )> > > > > >> > > > > > so all the best for u and let us strt discussing> > > > > >> > > > > > due to my time limit many days i may not reply u but there is so> > > > many> > > > > > memebrs in our forum and they will also b guiding us> > > > > >> > > > > > with rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "axeplex"> > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sunilji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you> > have> > > > > > raised the issue :> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and> > even> > > > in> > > > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy> > -Jataka-> > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth> > time as> > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it> > > > will> > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name,> > there is> > > > no> > > > > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a> > healthy> > > > > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like "hair> > > > cutting",> > > > > > "hair stylists" etc. At least, I don't think this group is a> > hair> > > > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss> > privately> > > > on> > > > > > your mail id.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My responses may take time....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "Sunil"> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Namaskar and pranams> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not> > as> > > > a> > > > > > reply> > > > > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon> > me in> > > > > > case of> > > > > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good> > person> > > > )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this> > ---> > > > when> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil> > > > take ??> > > > > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi> > etc )> > > > and> > > > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the> > > > events> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the time> > of> > > > birth> > > > > > (> > > > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya> > )> > > > .So> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for> > old> > > > > > learned> > > > > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how> > many> > > > > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the> > oil> > > > > > consumed> > > > > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the> > delivery> > > > room> > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa> > > > methods> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported> > birth> > > > time> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a> > > > tree or> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala > > is> > > > not> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign> > or> > > > udaya> > > > > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising> > sign> > > > will> > > > > > b 2> > > > > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in> > dark> > > > and> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of> > emergency> > > > the> > > > > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has> > > > more> > > > > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has> > various> > > > > > methods> > > > > > > > and application and implications> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple> > town of> > > > > > culture> > > > > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart> > but> > > > they> > > > > > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its> > future> > > > effect> > > > > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they> > > > prescribe> > > > > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one> > man> > > > > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said> > yes> > > > > > ,then> > > > > > > > he described an event what happened in his life> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to> > > > attent> > > > > > some> > > > > > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was> > office> > > > > > bearer> > > > > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical> > > > > > assossiation> > > > > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a> > nativ> > > > of> > > > > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he> > need> > > > to> > > > > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead> > and> > > > i> > > > > > dont> > > > > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the> > frnd> > > > > > doctor> > > > > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd> > asked> > > > him> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was> > not> > > > > > willing> > > > > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not> > having> > > > any> > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon> > or> > > > moon> > > > > > sign> > > > > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of> > birth> > > > of> > > > > > his> > > > > > > > kids .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My> > > > eldest> > > > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that> > u> > > > > > wanted to> > > > > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b> > so> > > > ,but> > > > > > she> > > > > > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it> > > > those> > > > > > days> > > > > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into> > MBBS> > > > when> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the> > purticular> > > > > > stream> > > > > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying> > why> > > > did> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola> > > > prashna> > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and> > may> > > > b in> > > > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a> > > > purticular> > > > > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna )> > they r> > > > > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well> > being of> > > > a> > > > > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any> > Birth> > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > individualy but declare results independently for each> > memebr in> > > > > > family> > > > > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b> > 100 to> > > > 300> > > > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some> > Mag> > > > in a> > > > > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji> > conducted> > > > > > such> > > > > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single> > > > prashna> > > > > > )> > > > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna> > and> > > > the> > > > > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many> > of> > > > the> > > > > > events> > > > > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the> > details> > > > he> > > > > > was> > > > > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there> > will b> > > > 2> > > > > > grps> > > > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who> > is> > > > > > arguing> > > > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's> > and> > > > hora s> > > > > > --> > > > > > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv> > this or> > > > i> > > > > > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask> > abt> > > > > > efficacy> > > > > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called> > > > moderators> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand> > u as> > > > > > trouble> > > > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of> > tradition> > > > .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and> > even> > > > in> > > > > > grp> > > > > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy> > -Jataka-> > > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth> > > > time as> > > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person> > as it> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let> > me> > > > > > conclud> > > > > > > > here> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > thanks and with regrds> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ,> > venkatachala> > > > pathi> > > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sirs,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology)> > is> > > > > > primarily> > > > > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the> > events> > > > in> > > > > > one's> > > > > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or> > > > action,> > > > > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of> > > > Natal's> > > > > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the> > > > > > 'results'> > > > > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian> > school> > > > of> > > > > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before> > Standard> > > > Time> > > > > > was> > > > > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in> > > > giving> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a> > few> > > > give> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance ofÂ> > head> > > > or> > > > > > part> > > > > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is> > > > removed> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time> > given> > > > by a> > > > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her> > > > mother> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in> > theÂ> > > > > > > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay> > on> > > > the> > > > > > > > correct time 'given' to him.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to> > 'second'> > > > > > becomes> > > > > > > > important to study the birth chart of both children, as> > few> > > > > > > > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda'> > > > -Â> > > > > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the position> > ofÂ> > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you> > will> > > > > > note> > > > > > > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become> > complecated as> > > > 'at> > > > > > > > face' become same. It is not so when you actually> > 'thread'> > > > > > their> > > > > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a> > > > > > perticular> > > > > > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an> > Astrologer to> > > > > > > > 'cast' result of a given event. This method will> > 'shorten'> > > > to> > > > > > arrive> > > > > > > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time> > > > consuming> > > > > > > > analysis under Dasha system.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the> > moment> > > > of> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth> > > > charts,> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are> > > > simple> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and> > > > years> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could> > help> > > > to> > > > > > find> > > > > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more> > near to> > > > > > correct> > > > > > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen> > > > > > acceptedÂ> > > > > > > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive atÂ> > > > possible> > > > > > date> > > > > > > > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an> > > > Election> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > more practical and immediate events for whichÂ> > instant> > > > > > results> > > > > > > > are required.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great> > Astrologer> > > > Guru> > > > > > > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many> > > > Astrologers> > > > > > near> > > > > > > > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event> > > > questions'> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and> > > > practice> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of> > > > Astrology.> > > > > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct> > > > > > 'Predictive> > > > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of> > > > hues,> > > > > > while> > > > > > > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.> > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, Â> > > > > > > > > Astrologer,> > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Jataka and> > Prashna> > > > -> > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,> > > > > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.> > > > > > > > > Here i would like to add that;> > > > > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public> > > > forum> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > a privilege of every member but ending the> > discussion on> > > > the> > > > > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.> > > > > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the> > topic> > > > > > remains> > > > > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to stopÂ> > > > their> > > > > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without> > conclusion> > > > > > doesn't> > > > > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.  Â> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija> > sckursija (AT) (DOT) > > > > > > com>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary> > chart> > > > today.> > > > > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit> > that> > > > the> > > > > > natal> > > > > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is> > for> > > > the> > > > > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life> > of> > > > the> > > > > > > > native.> > > > > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char> > in> > > > some> > > > > > > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest?> > When> > > > my> > > > > > > > servant will come back? etc.> > > > > > > > > >RegardsÂ> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and> > Prashna> > > > -> > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>Â> > > > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but> > written in> > > > > > Prashna> > > > > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two> > thoughts> > > > or> > > > > > ways:> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and> > > > accept> > > > > > what> > > > > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come> > back> > > > with> > > > > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg> > that> > > > > > horoary> > > > > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.> > > > > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this> > > > society.> > > > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect> > the> > > > same> > > > > > > > from you.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>regds> > > > > > > > > >>Dev> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Lalkitab"> > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such> > > > > > capabilities> > > > > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.> > > > > > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would> > pursue> > > > his> > > > > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.> > > > > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of> > > > being a> > > > > > > > Tirthankar.> > > > > > > > > >>> Regards> > > > > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from> > point> > > > of> > > > > > view> > > > > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean> > it.> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here> > are> > > > slokas> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. â€" That person, who has mastery of> > this> > > > > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a> > > > > > religious> > > > > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is> > well> > > > > > versed> > > > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a> > > > > > Daivajnya or> > > > > > > > seer.> > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. â€" All the predictions made by such> > a> > > > person> > > > > > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned support> > this> > > > > > > > statement.> > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. â€" He who has acquired a thorough> > > > knowledge> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas,> > who> > > > has> > > > > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret> > mantra by> > > > a> > > > > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had> > > > enough.> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> > Dev> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > Kulbir> > > > > > Bains> > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider> > the> > > > > > spirit,> > > > > > > > whenever the> > > > > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should> > get> > > > > > some> > > > > > > > guidance,> > > > > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is> > divine.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > Regards> > > > > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.> > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex> > <axeplex@>> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But> > > > when it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > KP Horary,> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I> > > > know)(You> > > > > > may> > > > > > > > refer to KP> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)> > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that> > > > fixes> > > > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this> > > > chart.> > > > > > Then> > > > > > > > Ruling planets> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time> > (not> > > > native> > > > > > > > chart). Common> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two.> > Vimshottari> > > > Dasa> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > studied, a period> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and> > then> > > > > > within> > > > > > > > that period,> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person> > to> > > > > > comment> > > > > > > > on KP and you> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be> > > > > > understood> > > > > > > > but "Aj de taim> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde> > ne.> > > > Te> > > > > > kinne> > > > > > > > astrloger ne> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar> > > > samhita)> > > > > > jeende> > > > > > > > ne)> > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give> > paramount> > > > > > importance> > > > > > > > to the> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to> > coincide> > > > with> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > planetary> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected.> > Kindly> > > > > > correct> > > > > > > > me if i am wrong.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by> > > > something> > > > > > > > divine.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > Jataka> > > > and> > > > > > > > Prashna - Priority to> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg> > > > prefers> > > > > > horary> > > > > > > > but what is> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of> > > > this?> > > > > > This> > > > > > > > is my question.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power> > associated> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > it, then person> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of> > such> > > > people> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > there in this> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > world?> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying> > to> > > > point> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > is one of the> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result> > differs> > > > > > PRASHNA> > > > > > > > should be given> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal> > chart -> > > > i.e.> > > > > > > > Jataka)!> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga> > and> > > > that> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > one of the> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text> > prashna> > > > > > marga> > > > > > > > stands - and> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important> > > > advice> > > > > > given> > > > > > > > by Prashna> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And> > there> > > > is> > > > > > very> > > > > > > > good scope for> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to> > > > address> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > question - "WHY> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is> > > > > > available in> > > > > > > > Prashnamarga> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of> > the> > > > > > > > intricate pointers> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge> > > > Sunil> > > > > > ji> > > > > > > > provides.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;// the period> > is> > > > bad> > > > > > > > according to birthchart> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna  revealed the period is> > > > > > > > best //> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and> > > > > > prashana> > > > > > > >  indications> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > are correct.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Your Mail works best with the New > > Optimized> > > > IE8.> > > > > > Get> > > > > > > > it NOW!> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo> > rer/> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Dev ji,//I could not understand it.// Yes, I can see that. Please talk less and listen more - that will benefit you better. It is just a friendly advice.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Sunilji,> > If you want me to add astronomy is the base and this that.....ASc/ Planets/ signs/ panchanga etc. etc., the basic foundation of astrology, then what is the point in writing such things. It is up to you, you want to waste your time and not. Subject was restarted by you indirectly, I had already written that I do not wish to discuss with you or anybody with strong ideals.> > //even when i drink a tea--that time also has all this> > qualities ,so where is the logic here //> > I could not understand it. If a native is born when you are drinking tea, definitely it has all those qualities. But if native visits you for horary at that time, not necessarily and depends on other factors too.> > regds,> Dev

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Sir, page 92,93,94, volume-1.RegardsKulbir Bains.On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:37 PM, devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Kulbir JI,

 

I love to do that and share my View to group.....

Please provide Name of Book and Page number (since i have not touched

LK till date)....that will help me lot....

 

P.S.i have downloaded Copy of LK vol-1/2/3

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Regards,

Devisingh

 

 

Lalkitab wrote:

 

 

Dear Devi Singh ji,

Lalkitab has provided a table for annual transit of planets upto 120

years. I have seen best of mathematicians, software engineers,

astrologers etc. trying to decode the formula but with no success.

kindly give it a try.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- RegardsKulbir Bians

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Dear Devi Singh Ji,Hare Rama Krsna,//i will show how it is working with mechanism which modern science says with proof and book reference//I will love to see it and appreciate it. :)I believe 'Prediction' is pure Art, it is a beautiful Song where 'Rhythmic Notes', the flow is given by Sun, 'Sweetness' of voice, music is added by Moon, and 'Purity' [of thoughts, natural laws,] of poem is an attributes of Jupiter. All other acts (like Mars - logical, Mercury - intelligence, etc) are just 'Preparation' for the 'Prediction' like all artist and technician assemble in the recording room. All are important for every final output , action or event [prediction \ song ] in life, is covered by all nine planets jointly.All sciences ends in Art.Just a thought thankyou,Best Wishes,Vijay GoelJaipur. , devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:>> Dear Vijay JI,> > I Love to contribute Astrology in My way.....nobody Dare to say It is > not working (i will show how it is working with mechanism which modern > science says with proof and book reference)...it takes its own time with > God Grace..> > --who live Contradictions ...can come up above all contradictions...> ------------------> Regards,> Devisingh> > > vijay.goel wrote:> > > >> > Dear DeviSinghji,> >> > I will support Kulbhir Bhai, Please give it a try.> > We might get benefited from you.> >> > Thankyou,> > Best Wishes,> > Vijay Goel> > Jaipur.> >> > > > <%40>, "Lalkitab" > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Devi Singh ji,> > > Lalkitab has provided a table for annual transit of planets upto 120 > > years. I have seen best of mathematicians, software engineers, > > astrologers etc. trying to decode the formula but with no success. > > kindly give it a try.> > > Regards> > > Kulbir Bains.> > >> > > > > <%40>, devisigh > > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar JI,> > > >> > > > I am Devisingh Rajput (Master of Science,Computer> > > > Engineer,Teacher,Lawyer,Astrologer..etc )> > > > (if anybody want can reach to my home through google my> > > > profile/data/cell everything is there on Net)......If anybody want > > else> > > > info i am ready to give.....> > > >> > > > Please pardon me if i hurt anybody though that was not> > > > intention.....sharing has to be taken as wealth of thoughts for > > benefit> > > > of astrology....> > > >> > > > Mr Dev(whoever he is)......he is different Person on this forum.....> > > >> > > > You have pointed out that leakage tank example and higher math those> > > > article was from me .....i left those not to trouble much others....> > > > Everything with me and working silently for benefit of astrology > > but not> > > > to waste anybody time i have enjoy what i have ...just wait for > > season> > > > to come in astrology......> > > >> > > > All connected via group are friend and working for Astrology that > > i can> > > > take granted from this group and being them consider friend is > > good (at> > > > least Human are pron to err)> > > > As a senior you and other are always respected....everybody have > > to live> > > > together in forum same as roof of god that is beauty.....> > > > If everything is predicted then no room for not predicted.....life is> > > > like River it has flow...without flow in astrology It prone to > > Death....> > > >> > > > If anybody have any query from my post i can answer those because > > i am> > > > not posting without working from myside first....> > > >> > > > -I pray to God he will help to come out you from Bad health...> > > > ------------------> > > > Regards,> > > > Devisingh> > > >> > > > Bhaskar wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Mr. Axe plex (Dev???),> > > > >> > > > > Talk to me directly.> > > > >> > > > > You are the only one who has wasted time of so many members to > > the tune> > > > > of not hours, but days in senseless discussions. You make claims> > > > > constantly but when anyone asks you for some anaylsis or inputs,> > > > > everytime you search for escape routes and excuses, and never > > return for> > > > > those Queries but come back with some other senseless > > discussion. You> > > > > are just like that persdon advising in a gentry of Haircutters > > about how> > > > > to cut hair, which example was specially meant for you.> > > > >> > > > > And stop sending mails on my personal id. I dont want to read any> > > > > rubbish filth nor are you so important enough to enable a reply > > from me.> > > > >> > > > > You dont know the basics of astrology, why are you wasting time of> > > > > respected members like Shri Sunil Nairji who have lots of pearls to> > > > > display, but displaying before..... And you want healthy > > discussions ?> > > > > On what ? On higher mathematics ? On postings which nobody can> > > > > understand ? Except another fake id like yours which will come up to> > > > > praise you ? You want to discuss on how water leakage froma tank > > can be> > > > > predicted ? Then discuss please. Thats what we are asking you > > since last> > > > > 3 months to show, discuss, produce, demonstrate and support and> > > > > authenticate your claims, but you are talking senseless all the > > times> > > > > and commenting on others comments ?> > > > >> > > > > You say that your responses will take time ? Do you know > > anything att> > > > > all to respond by the way ? As usual you will expect people to > > forget> > > > > this and come back again with something silly and want people to > > listen> > > > > to you, which you will call as "Healthy discussion". Thank God > > at least> > > > > I have not wasted my time with such healthy discussions in last few> > > > > weeks with you.> > > > >> > > > > And you have a problem about my using terms like "Hair Stylists"> > > > > and"Hair cutters". Listen I am a genuine member here who has > > right to> > > > > comment. Before you raise a motion of opposition for me, please > > prove> > > > > your genuinity by allowing members to know your real name, contact> > > > > particulars and about yourself.> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > <%40>, "axeplex"> > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you have> > > > > raised the issue :> > > > > >> > > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and > > even in> > > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-> > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as> > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it > > will> > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name, > > there is no> > > > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a healthy> > > > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like "hair > > cutting",> > > > > "hair stylists" etc. At least, I don't think this group is a hair> > > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss > > privately on> > > > > your mail id.> > > > > >> > > > > > My responses may take time....> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > <%40>, "Sunil"> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Namaskar and pranams> > > > > > >> > > > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up> > > > > > >> > > > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not > > as a> > > > > reply> > > > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon me in> > > > > case of> > > > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good > > person )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this > > --- when> > > > > the> > > > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil > > take ??> > > > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi > > etc ) and> > > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the > > events> > > > > and> > > > > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the time > > of birth> > > > > (> > > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya > > ) .So> > > > > the> > > > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for old> > > > > learned> > > > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how many> > > > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the oil> > > > > consumed> > > > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the > > delivery room> > > > > etc> > > > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa > > methods> > > > > and> > > > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported > > birth time> > > > > is> > > > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a > > tree or> > > > > in> > > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala > > is not> > > > > the> > > > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign > > or udaya> > > > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising > > sign will> > > > > b 2> > > > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in > > dark and> > > > > in> > > > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of > > emergency the> > > > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has more> > > > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient> > > > > > >> > > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has various > > methods> > > > > > > and application and implications> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple town of> > > > > culture> > > > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart > > but they> > > > > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its > > future effect> > > > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they > > prescribe> > > > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one man> > > > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said yes> > > > > ,then> > > > > > > he described an event what happened in his life> > > > > > >> > > > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to > > attent> > > > > some> > > > > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was office> > > > > bearer> > > > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical> > > > > assossiation> > > > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a > > nativ of> > > > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he > > need to> > > > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead > > and i> > > > > dont> > > > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the frnd> > > > > doctor> > > > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd > > asked him> > > > > to> > > > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was not> > > > > willing> > > > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not > > having any> > > > > birth> > > > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon > > or moon> > > > > sign> > > > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of > > birth of> > > > > his> > > > > > > kids .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My > > eldest> > > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that u > > wanted> > > > > to> > > > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b > > so ,but> > > > > she> > > > > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it > > those> > > > > days> > > > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into > > MBBS when> > > > > the> > > > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the purticular> > > > > stream> > > > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac> > > > > > >> > > > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying > > why did> > > > > not> > > > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola > > prashna> > > > > etc> > > > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and > > may b in> > > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a > > purticular> > > > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) they r> > > > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well > > being of a> > > > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any Birth> > > > > charts> > > > > > > individualy but declare results independently for each memebr in> > > > > family> > > > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b > > 100 to 300> > > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some > > Mag in a> > > > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji > > conducted such> > > > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single > > prashna )> > > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna > > and the> > > > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many > > of the> > > > > events> > > > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the > > details he> > > > > was> > > > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there > > will b 2> > > > > grps> > > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who is> > > > > arguing> > > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's > > and hora s> > > > > --> > > > > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv this > > or i> > > > > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt> > > > > efficacy> > > > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called > > moderators> > > > > are> > > > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand u as> > > > > trouble> > > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of > > tradition .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and > > even in> > > > > grp> > > > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > >> > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-> > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth > > time as> > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it> > > > > will> > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let me> > > > > conclud> > > > > > > here> > > > > > >> > > > > > > thanks and with regrds> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > <%40>, > > venkatachala pathi> > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sirs,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology) is> > > > > primarily> > > > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events in> > > > > one's> > > > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or > > action,> > > > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of > > Natal's> > > > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the> > > > > 'results'> > > > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school of> > > > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before > > Standard Time> > > > > was> > > > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in > > giving> > > > > the> > > > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a > > few give> > > > > the> > > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head or> > > > > part> > > > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is > > removed> > > > > from> > > > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time > > given by a> > > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her > > mother> > > > > that> > > > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÂ> > > > > > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on the> > > > > > > correct time 'given' to him.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to 'second'> > > > > becomes> > > > > > > important to study the birth chart of both children, as few> > > > > > > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda' -Â> > > > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the position ofÂ> > > > > Planets> > > > > > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will> > > > > note> > > > > > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as 'at> > > > > > > face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread' > > their> > > > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a> > > > > perticular> > > > > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer to> > > > > > > 'cast' result of a given event. This method will 'shorten' to> > > > > arrive> > > > > > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time consuming> > > > > > > analysis under Dasha system.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the > > moment of> > > > > the> > > > > > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth > > charts,> > > > > and> > > > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are > > simple> > > > > and> > > > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and > > years> > > > > of> > > > > > > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help to> > > > > find> > > > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to> > > > > correct> > > > > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen> > > > > acceptedÂ> > > > > > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive at possible> > > > > date> > > > > > > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an Election> > > > > and> > > > > > > more practical and immediate events for which instant> > > > > results> > > > > > > are required.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great > > Astrologer Guru> > > > > > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many Astrologers> > > > > near> > > > > > > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event questions'> > > > > with> > > > > > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and practice> > > > > with> > > > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of > > Astrology.> > > > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct> > > > > 'Predictive> > > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of hues,> > > > > while> > > > > > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.> > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, Â> > > > > > > > Astrologer,> > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM> > > > > > > > Re: Re: Jataka and > > Prashna -> > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,> > > > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.> > > > > > > > Here i would like to add that;> > > > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public > > forum> > > > > is> > > > > > > a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on the> > > > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.> > > > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic> > > > > remains> > > > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to stop their> > > > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without conclusion> > > > > doesn't> > > > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.  Â> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija (AT) (DOT) > > > > > com>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,> > > > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary > > chart today.> > > > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit > > that the> > > > > natal> > > > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is > > for the> > > > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life > > of the> > > > > > > native.> > > > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char > > in some> > > > > > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When my> > > > > > > servant will come back? etc.> > > > > > > > >RegardsÂ> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and > > Prashna -> > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>Â> > > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in> > > > > Prashna> > > > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two > > thoughts or> > > > > ways:> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and > > accept> > > > > what> > > > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come > > back with> > > > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that> > > > > horoary> > > > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.> > > > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this > > society.> > > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect > > the same> > > > > > > from you.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>regds> > > > > > > > >>Dev> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, > > "Lalkitab"> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such> > > > > capabilities> > > > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.> > > > > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would > > pursue his> > > > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.> > > > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of > > being a> > > > > > > Tirthankar.> > > > > > > > >>> Regards> > > > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from > > point of> > > > > view> > > > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here > > are slokas> > > > > of> > > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. âEUR" That person, who has mastery of this> > > > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a> > > > > religious> > > > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well> > > > > versed> > > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a> > > > > Daivajnya or> > > > > > > seer.> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. âEUR" All the predictions made by such a > > person> > > > > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned support this> > > > > > > statement.> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. âEUR" He who has acquired a thorough > > knowledge> > > > > of> > > > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, > > who has> > > > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret > > mantra by a> > > > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had > > enough.> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > Dev> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > Kulbir> > > > > Bains> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the> > > > > spirit,> > > > > > > whenever the> > > > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get> > > > > some> > > > > > > guidance,> > > > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.> > > > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.> > > > > > > > >>> > > Regards> > > > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But > > when it> > > > > is> > > > > > > KP Horary,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I > > know)(You> > > > > may> > > > > > > refer to KP> > > > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that > > fixes> > > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and> > > > > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this > > chart.> > > > > Then> > > > > > > Ruling planets> > > > > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time > > (not native> > > > > > > chart). Common> > > > > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two. > > Vimshottari Dasa> > > > > is> > > > > > > studied, a period> > > > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then> > > > > within> > > > > > > that period,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to> > > > > comment> > > > > > > on KP and you> > > > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be> > > > > understood> > > > > > > but "Aj de taim> > > > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde > > ne. Te> > > > > kinne> > > > > > > astrloger ne> > > > > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar > > samhita)> > > > > jeende> > > > > > > ne)> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount> > > > > importance> > > > > > > to the> > > > > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to > > coincide with> > > > > the> > > > > > > planetary> > > > > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly> > > > > correct> > > > > > > me if i am wrong.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by > > something> > > > > > > divine.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: > > Jataka and> > > > > > > Prashna - Priority to> > > > > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Ã,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg > > prefers> > > > > horary> > > > > > > but what is> > > > > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of > > this?> > > > > This> > > > > > > is my question.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated> > > > > with> > > > > > > it, then person> > > > > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of > > such people> > > > > are> > > > > > > there in this> > > > > > > > >>> > > > world?> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > regds> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com,> > > > > > > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying > > to point> > > > > to> > > > > > > is one of the> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs> > > > > PRASHNA> > > > > > > should be given> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal > > chart - i.e.> > > > > > > Jataka)!> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga > > and that> > > > > is> > > > > > > one of the> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna> > > > > marga> > > > > > > stands - and> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important > > advice> > > > > given> > > > > > > by Prashna> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And > > there is> > > > > very> > > > > > > good scope for> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to > > address> > > > > the> > > > > > > question - "WHY> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is> > > > > available in> > > > > > > Prashnamarga> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the> > > > > > > intricate pointers> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge > > Sunil> > > > > ji> > > > > > > provides.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . com,> > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//ÃfâEURs( the period is bad> > > > > > > according to birthchart> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna ÃfâEURs( revealed the period is> > > > > > > bestÃfâEURs( //> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and> > > > > prashana> > > > > > > ÃfâEURs( indications> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > are correct.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Your Mail works best with the New > > Optimized IE8.> > > > > Get> > > > > > > it NOW!> > > > > > > > >>> > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

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Dear Goel ji,There is difference between Art and CRAFT.RegardsKulbir Bains.On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:34 PM, vijay.goel <goyalvj wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Devi Singh Ji,Hare Rama Krsna,//i will show how it is working with mechanism which modern science says with proof and book reference//I will love to see it and appreciate it.

I believe 'Prediction' is pure Art, it is a beautiful Song where 'Rhythmic Notes', the flow is given by Sun, 'Sweetness' of voice, music is added by Moon, and 'Purity' [of thoughts, natural laws,] of poem is an attributes of Jupiter. 

All other acts (like Mars - logical, Mercury - intelligence, etc) are just 'Preparation' for the 'Prediction' like all artist and technician assemble in the recording room. All are important for every final output , action or event [prediction \ song ] in life, is covered by all nine planets jointly.

All sciences ends in Art.Just a thought thankyou,Best Wishes,Vijay GoelJaipur. , devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:

>> Dear Vijay JI,> > I Love to contribute Astrology in My way.....nobody Dare to say It is > not working (i will show how it is working with mechanism which modern

> science says with proof and book reference)...it takes its own time with > God Grace..> > --who live Contradictions ...can come up above all contradictions...> ------------------> Regards,

> Devisingh> > > vijay.goel wrote:> > > >> > Dear DeviSinghji,> >> > I will support Kulbhir Bhai, Please give it a try.> > We might get benefited from you.

> >> > Thankyou,> > Best Wishes,> > Vijay Goel> > Jaipur.> >> >

> > <%40>, " Lalkitab " > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > >> > > Dear Devi Singh ji,> > > Lalkitab has provided a table for annual transit of planets upto 120 > > years. I have seen best of mathematicians, software engineers,

> > astrologers etc. trying to decode the formula but with no success. > > kindly give it a try.> > > Regards> > > Kulbir Bains.> > >> > >

> > <%40>, devisigh > > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:

> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar JI,> > > >> > > > I am Devisingh Rajput (Master of Science,Computer> > > > Engineer,Teacher,Lawyer,Astrologer..etc )

> > > > (if anybody want can reach to my home through google my> > > > profile/data/cell everything is there on Net)......If anybody want > > else> > > > info i am ready to give.....

> > > >> > > > Please pardon me if i hurt anybody though that was not> > > > intention.....sharing has to be taken as wealth of thoughts for > > benefit> > > > of astrology....

> > > >> > > > Mr Dev(whoever he is)......he is different Person on this forum.....> > > >> > > > You have pointed out that leakage tank example and higher math those

> > > > article was from me .....i left those not to trouble much others....> > > > Everything with me and working silently for benefit of astrology > > but not> > > > to waste anybody time i have enjoy what i have ...just wait for

> > season> > > > to come in astrology......> > > >> > > > All connected via group are friend and working for Astrology that > > i can> > > > take granted from this group and being them consider friend is

> > good (at> > > > least Human are pron to err)> > > > As a senior you and other are always respected....everybody have > > to live> > > > together in forum same as roof of god that is beauty.....

> > > > If everything is predicted then no room for not predicted.....life is> > > > like River it has flow...without flow in astrology It prone to > > Death....> > > >

> > > > If anybody have any query from my post i can answer those because > > i am> > > > not posting without working from myside first....> > > >> > > > -I pray to God he will help to come out you from Bad health...

> > > > ------------------> > > > Regards,> > > > Devisingh> > > >> > > > Bhaskar wrote:> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Mr. Axe plex (Dev???),> > > > >> > > > > Talk to me directly.> > > > >> > > > > You are the only one who has wasted time of so many members to

> > the tune> > > > > of not hours, but days in senseless discussions. You make claims> > > > > constantly but when anyone asks you for some anaylsis or inputs,> > > > > everytime you search for escape routes and excuses, and never

> > return for> > > > > those Queries but come back with some other senseless > > discussion. You> > > > > are just like that persdon advising in a gentry of Haircutters

> > about how> > > > > to cut hair, which example was specially meant for you.> > > > >> > > > > And stop sending mails on my personal id. I dont want to read any

> > > > > rubbish filth nor are you so important enough to enable a reply > > from me.> > > > >> > > > > You dont know the basics of astrology, why are you wasting time of

> > > > > respected members like Shri Sunil Nairji who have lots of pearls to> > > > > display, but displaying before..... And you want healthy > > discussions ?> > > > > On what ? On higher mathematics ? On postings which nobody can

> > > > > understand ? Except another fake id like yours which will come up to> > > > > praise you ? You want to discuss on how water leakage froma tank > > can be> > > > > predicted ? Then discuss please. Thats what we are asking you

> > since last> > > > > 3 months to show, discuss, produce, demonstrate and support and> > > > > authenticate your claims, but you are talking senseless all the > > times

> > > > > and commenting on others comments ?> > > > >> > > > > You say that your responses will take time ? Do you know > > anything att> > > > > all to respond by the way ? As usual you will expect people to

> > forget> > > > > this and come back again with something silly and want people to > > listen> > > > > to you, which you will call as " Healthy discussion " . Thank God

> > at least> > > > > I have not wasted my time with such healthy discussions in last few> > > > > weeks with you.> > > > >> > > > > And you have a problem about my using terms like " Hair Stylists "

> > > > > and " Hair cutters " . Listen I am a genuine member here who has > > right to> > > > > comment. Before you raise a motion of opposition for me, please > > prove

> > > > > your genuinity by allowing members to know your real name, contact> > > > > particulars and about yourself.> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, " axeplex " > > > > > <axeplex@>

> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you have

> > > > > raised the issue :> > > > > >> > > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and > > even in> > > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-> > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as> > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it

> > will> > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name, > > there is no

> > > > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a healthy> > > > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like " hair > > cutting " ,> > > > > " hair stylists " etc. At least, I don't think this group is a hair

> > > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss > > privately on> > > > > your mail id.> > > > > >> > > > > > My responses may take time....

> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > <%40>> > > > > <%40>, " Sunil "

> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaskar and pranams> > > > > > >> > > > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up> > > > > > >> > > > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not

> > as a> > > > > reply> > > > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon me in> > > > > case of> > > > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good

> > person )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this > > --- when> > > > > the> > > > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil

> > take ??> > > > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi

> > etc ) and> > > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the > > events> > > > > and> > > > > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the time

> > of birth> > > > > (> > > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya > > ) .So> > > > > the> > > > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for old

> > > > > learned> > > > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how many> > > > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the oil

> > > > > consumed> > > > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the > > delivery room> > > > > etc> > > > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa

> > methods> > > > > and> > > > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported > > birth time> > > > > is> > > > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a > > tree or> > > > > in> > > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala > > is not> > > > > the> > > > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign

> > or udaya> > > > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising > > sign will> > > > > b 2> > > > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in

> > dark and> > > > > in> > > > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of > > emergency the> > > > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has more

> > > > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient> > > > > > >> > > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has various

> > methods> > > > > > > and application and implications> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple town of

> > > > > culture> > > > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart

> > but they> > > > > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its > > future effect> > > > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they

> > prescribe> > > > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one man

> > > > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said yes> > > > > ,then> > > > > > > he described an event what happened in his life

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to > > attent> > > > > some> > > > > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was office

> > > > > bearer> > > > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical> > > > > assossiation> > > > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a

> > nativ of> > > > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he > > need to> > > > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead

> > and i> > > > > dont> > > > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the frnd> > > > > doctor> > > > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd

> > asked him> > > > > to> > > > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was not> > > > > willing> > > > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not

> > having any> > > > > birth> > > > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon > > or moon> > > > > sign> > > > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of

> > birth of> > > > > his> > > > > > > kids .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My

> > eldest> > > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that u

> > wanted> > > > > to> > > > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b > > so ,but> > > > > she> > > > > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it

> > those> > > > > days> > > > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into > > MBBS when> > > > > the> > > > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the purticular

> > > > > stream> > > > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac> > > > > > >> > > > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying

> > why did> > > > > not> > > > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola > > prashna> > > > > etc> > > > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and

> > may b in> > > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a

> > purticular> > > > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) they r> > > > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well

> > being of a> > > > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any Birth> > > > > charts> > > > > > > individualy but declare results independently for each memebr in

> > > > > family> > > > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b > > 100 to 300> > > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some

> > Mag in a> > > > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji > > conducted such> > > > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single

> > prashna )> > > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna > > and the> > > > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many

> > of the> > > > > events> > > > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the > > details he> > > > > was> > > > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there

> > will b 2> > > > > grps> > > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who is> > > > > arguing> > > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's

> > and hora s> > > > > --> > > > > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv this > > or i> > > > > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt

> > > > > efficacy> > > > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called > > moderators> > > > > are> > > > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand u as

> > > > > trouble> > > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of > > tradition .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and

> > even in> > > > > grp> > > > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > >> > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth > > time as> > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it

> > > > > will> > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let me

> > > > > conclud> > > > > > > here> > > > > > >> > > > > > > thanks and with regrds> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sunil nair

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > <%40>> > > > > <%40>,

> > venkatachala pathi> > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sirs,> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology) is> > > > > primarily> > > > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events in

> > > > > one's> > > > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or > > action,> > > > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of

> > Natal's> > > > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the> > > > > 'results'> > > > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school of

> > > > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before > > Standard Time> > > > > was> > > > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in

> > giving> > > > > the> > > > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a > > few give> > > > > the> > > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head or

> > > > > part> > > > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is > > removed> > > > > from> > > > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time

> > given by a> > > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her > > mother> > > > > that> > > > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÂ

> > > > > > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on the> > > > > > > correct time 'given' to him.> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to 'second'> > > > > becomes> > > > > > > important to study the birth chart of both children, as few

> > > > > > > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda' -Â> > > > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the position ofÂ> > > > > Planets

> > > > > > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will> > > > > note> > > > > > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as 'at

> > > > > > > face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread' > > their> > > > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a

> > > > > perticular> > > > > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer to> > > > > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will 'shorten' to

> > > > > arrive> > > > > > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time consuming> > > > > > > analysis under Dasha system.> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the > > moment of> > > > > the> > > > > > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth

> > charts,> > > > > and> > > > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are > > simple> > > > > and> > > > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and

> > years> > > > > of> > > > > > > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help to> > > > > find> > > > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to

> > > > > correct> > > > > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen> > > > > acceptedÂ> > > > > > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive at possible

> > > > > date> > > > > > > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an Election> > > > > and> > > > > > > more practical and immediate events for which instant

> > > > > results> > > > > > > are required.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great

> > Astrologer Guru> > > > > > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many Astrologers> > > > > near> > > > > > > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event questions'

> > > > > with> > > > > > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and practice> > > > > with> > > > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of

> > Astrology.> > > > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct> > > > > 'Predictive> > > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of hues,

> > > > > while> > > > > > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.> > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, Â> > > > > > > > Astrologer,

> > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM> > > > > > > > Re: Re: Jataka and > > Prashna -> > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,> > > > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.

> > > > > > > > Here i would like to add that;> > > > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public > > forum> > > > > is

> > > > > > > a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on the> > > > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.> > > > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic

> > > > > remains> > > > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to stop their> > > > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without conclusion

> > > > > doesn't> > > > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.  Â

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija (AT) (DOT) > > > > > com>

> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,> > > > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary

> > chart today.> > > > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit > > that the> > > > > natal> > > > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is

> > for the> > > > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life > > of the> > > > > > > native.> > > > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char

> > in some> > > > > > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When my> > > > > > > servant will come back? etc.> > > > > > > > >RegardsÂ

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and

> > Prashna -> > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>Â> > > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in> > > > > Prashna> > > > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two

> > thoughts or> > > > > ways:> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and > > accept

> > > > > what> > > > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come > > back with> > > > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that

> > > > > horoary> > > > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.> > > > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this > > society.> > > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect

> > the same> > > > > > > from you.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>regds> > > > > > > > >>Dev

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " Lalkitab " > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such> > > > > capabilities> > > > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > > > > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would > > pursue his> > > > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.> > > > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of

> > being a> > > > > > > Tirthankar.> > > > > > > > >>> Regards> > > > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from

> > point of> > > > > view> > > > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here

> > are slokas> > > > > of> > > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. âEUR " That person, who has mastery of this

> > > > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a> > > > > religious> > > > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well

> > > > > versed> > > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a> > > > > Daivajnya or> > > > > > > seer.> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. âEUR " All the predictions made by such a

> > person> > > > > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned support this> > > > > > > statement.> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. âEUR " He who has acquired a thorough

> > knowledge> > > > > of> > > > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, > > who has> > > > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret

> > mantra by a> > > > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had

> > enough.> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > Dev> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > Kulbir> > > > > Bains> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the

> > > > > spirit,> > > > > > > whenever the> > > > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should get> > > > > some

> > > > > > > guidance,> > > > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.> > > > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Regards> > > > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex

> > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But

> > when it> > > > > is> > > > > > > KP Horary,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I > > know)(You

> > > > > may> > > > > > > refer to KP> > > > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that > > fixes> > > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and> > > > > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this

> > chart.> > > > > Then> > > > > > > Ruling planets> > > > > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time

> > (not native> > > > > > > chart). Common> > > > > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two. > > Vimshottari Dasa> > > > > is

> > > > > > > studied, a period> > > > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then> > > > > within> > > > > > > that period,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to

> > > > > comment> > > > > > > on KP and you> > > > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be> > > > > understood> > > > > > > but " Aj de taim> > > > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde

> > ne. Te> > > > > kinne> > > > > > > astrloger ne> > > > > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar

> > samhita)> > > > > jeende> > > > > > > ne)> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dev

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount

> > > > > importance> > > > > > > to the> > > > > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to > > coincide with

> > > > > the> > > > > > > planetary> > > > > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > me if i am wrong.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by > > something> > > > > > > divine.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:

> > Jataka and> > > > > > > Prashna - Priority to> > > > > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Ã,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg

> > prefers> > > > > horary> > > > > > > but what is> > > > > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of

> > this?> > > > > This> > > > > > > is my question.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated

> > > > > with> > > > > > > it, then person> > > > > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of > > such people

> > > > > are> > > > > > > there in this> > > > > > > > >>> > > > world?> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > regds

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > com,> > > > > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying > > to point> > > > > to> > > > > > > is one of the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs> > > > > PRASHNA> > > > > > > should be given> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal > > chart - i.e.> > > > > > > Jataka)!> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga > > and that> > > > > is> > > > > > > one of the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna> > > > > marga

> > > > > > > stands - and> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important

> > advice> > > > > given> > > > > > > by Prashna> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And

> > there is> > > > > very> > > > > > > good scope for> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to

> > address> > > > > the> > > > > > > question - " WHY> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer is

> > > > > available in> > > > > > > Prashnamarga> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the> > > > > > > intricate pointers

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge > > Sunil

> > > > > ji> > > > > > > provides.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > . com,> > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//ÃfâEURs( the period is bad> > > > > > > according to birthchart> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna ÃfâEURs( revealed the period is> > > > > > > bestÃfâEURs( //> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Sunilji,

 

This is better and straight question.

 

//my question is why we need to use such planets in delienating results or birth

chart itself ??what is its logic /on what logic /reason we need to use it ??

what is the foundation ( basis ) of it for using such data ??why cant u use some

thing else ??//

 

Very tricky question and I applaud you for this. All the planets or reference

points in astrology are the main pillars of universe, the cosmic bodies. I don't

see anything else could have represented it since there is nothing else that

collectively changes every moment and is live in universe. (or at least as

humans we don't know). Each and every reference point or planets represent

certain attributes and there are millions of attributes collectively.

Theoretically, when Jataka is born, there is theory of Karma attached. Human

birth happens as per Prarabdha karma at specified time to represent the same.

I am not going into planetary influences from science point of view since I love

to study them as reference points.

 

regds

Dev

 

, " Sunil "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

> Dear dev Ji

>

> u promised me u will tell me scientific basis of natal astrology ,now

> atleast for the time being let us not discuss the astronomy ( then

> discussion may divert to surya sidhantic (kerala version ) kasi/varanasi

> version ,drik paksha ,snake (pampu )paksha ,vakya paksha etc etc for

> ascertaining planets and co ordinates ) and panchanga etc is not part of

> spherical astronomy

>

> my question is why we need to use such planets in delienating results or

> birth chart itself ??what is its logic /on what logic /reason we need to

> use it ??

>

> what is the foundation ( basis ) of it for using such data ??why cant u

> use some thing else ??

>

> hope now it is clear and understandable

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

> hope still there is no confusion abt it

>

> , " axeplex " <axeplex@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sunilji,

> >

> > If you want me to add astronomy is the base and this that.....ASc/

> Planets/ signs/ panchanga etc. etc., the basic foundation of astrology,

> then what is the point in writing such things. It is up to you, you want

> to waste your time and not. Subject was restarted by you indirectly, I

> had already written that I do not wish to discuss with you or anybody

> with strong ideals.

> >

> > //even when i drink a tea--that time also has all this

> > > qualities ,so where is the logic here //

> >

> > I could not understand it. If a native is born when you are drinking

> tea, definitely it has all those qualities. But if native visits you for

> horary at that time, not necessarily and depends on other factors too.

> >

> > regds,

> > Dev

> >

> > , " Sunil "

> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > dear dev Ji

> > >

> > > so this is ur understanding abt birth chart .

> > >

> > > in that case even when i drink a tea--that time also has all this

> > > qualities ,so where is the logic here ??

> > >

> > > u hav anything else to say or convey regrding the basis and base of

> > > natal horocopy and on which foundation it is based and its

> scientific

> > > basis ???

> > >

> > > if u r planning to waist my time i may hav to excuse frm this tread

> > >

> > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > , " axeplex "

> <axeplex@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sunilji,

> > > >

> > > > Leaving blah blah aside, last time you only advised, so I am not

> > > getting distracted what you wrote in the middle. In fact, I skipped

> that

> > > part while reading.

> > > >

> > > > Birth chart is based on when native is born. Yearly chart is based

> > > again related to native birth details and transit charts are the

> > > existing references that would be applied on the native chart. There

> is

> > > a significance since no one else is born with exact planetary

> references

> > > that were existing at the time of birth of a native.

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Sunil "

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear dev Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > u wrote

> > > > > -

> > > > > (If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday

> > > willing

> > > > > to learn))

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls stick to the norms of discussion ,i was expecting u to

> explain

> > > > > first what is the basis of natal chart as per our agreement .As

> i

> > > know

> > > > > once if u able to say that fact then u urself will hav answers

> for

> > > the

> > > > > discussions under tread which we r doing in grp .Here it is

> > > immaterial

> > > > > for me who supports me or who said what 'cause astrological

> thoughts

> > > > > which laid foundations for astro basics cannot b determined by

> vote

> > > of

> > > > > counting .So dont Look for shoulders to fire on somebody and

> keep

> > > > > firing stght .

> > > > >

> > > > > Again u r saying Horary is using of simple transit chart blah

> blah

> > > > > ,if so then what is birth chart ??can u illuminate me >R we like

> > > ravan

> > > > > Ji has power to command planets to sit in purticular house s (

> > > during

> > > > > the birth of his son IndraJit ) for a birth chart ??

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I expect ppl of ur stature to pr0nounce theories and dictums or

> > > > > sidhantha s in grp discussions only what u digested (

> assimilated

> > > and

> > > > > find it is working which u find over a period of time ) than

> what

> > > is

> > > > > not digested and just vomiting around everything what ever comes

> in

> > > mind

> > > > > or what ever u read in net and grps in the name of

> > > astrology

> > > > > and discussions ( sorry to say this way -after lot of time

> waisting

> > > i

> > > > > still find u hav eagerness to Know ( i dont know if it for

> learning

> > > )

> > > > > but no humbleness to ask plainly which is required for a

> Jyothishi

> > > or

> > > > > student and ur ego is not allowing u to do so too .

> > > > >

> > > > > What i should or some body should understand frm the above

> statemnt

> > > of

> > > > > ur s --is it horary astrology is my invention and i am doing

> some

> > > crime

> > > > > by propogating it and it dont hav any scientific ( sastraic

> )basis

> > > ) ??

> > > > >

> > > > > so pls strt explaining why we shud use Birthcharts for seeing

> the

> > > > > future of a Human being ( let us forget other Living and non

> Living

> > > > > entities at present )and its basis ,what is its philosophical

> > > ,religious

> > > > > ,dharmic basis ?? can U explain How the so called birth chart

> can

> > > > > influence a person tru out his life according to ur own

> > > understanding.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " axeplex "

> > > <axeplex@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for your advice Sunilji.

> > > > > > As I have understood " Except that when native visits you, I

> can

> > > not

> > > > > relate anything logically to Horary chart " . If there is

> something

> > > > > scientific, it seems more of using present transits or similar

> terms

> > > and

> > > > > applying yearly chart to natal chart. But yes, for some

> questions

> > > like

> > > > > (as Kursija ji wrote) who would win the match, shall I get my

> money

> > > > > back, horary holds upper hand due to its easy application.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday

> > > willing

> > > > > to learn.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regds

> > > > > > Dev

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Sunil "

> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Dev JI

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We can discuss in grps abt anything acdemicaly, provided

> we r

> > > > > here for

> > > > > > > sharing exprnces/knowledge ,at times when some body knows

> some

> > > > > thing

> > > > > > > for sure -as good as Lines in his hand he may b stubborn

> and

> > > dont

> > > > > think

> > > > > > > that it is some sort of dry argumnt or arguemnt due to some

> ego

> > > or

> > > > > > > idealism

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > u asked me in prvt and in grp the scientific basis of

> prashna

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > and u the No-1 in argeing that prashna is nothing but natal

> > > chart

> > > > > > > prevails .how this both will tally ( what i said was in

> case of

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > of both diffrs then go by prashna than Natal chart again

> that

> > > is

> > > > > > > traditional prashna mostly- it is where astrologers devine

> grace

> > > and

> > > > > > > blessings frm guru and dharma devata s help him )

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so if u control urself and come to real mode of discussions

> then

> > > i

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > > think any one will try to hamper ur discussions

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i used to get many mails frm Kaul camps ,science of

> astrology

> > > > > (actualy

> > > > > > > they want reply in modern physical science terms than

> astrology

> > > > > itself

> > > > > > > is a sastra of its own ) camps ,and even frm self declared

> > > Blessed

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > Ma or this or that camps and persons himself who thinks they

> hav

> > > > > right

> > > > > > > to demolish everything .i used to ignore all this mails due

> to

> > > > > personal

> > > > > > > problems and commitments .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > some one frm last 5 months is senting me a grp CC mail that

> he

> > > > > decoded

> > > > > > > swami vivekanda chart and all the other gurus are farce and

> he

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > one selected by Ma as saviour of astrology .And he has many

> > > > > undigested (

> > > > > > > he himself dont know how to appy it ) theorems .even he

> > > mentions my

> > > > > > > name many times in various grps who dont dare to argue with

> him

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so in net world all this is possible .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if u r in for proper discussions where all of us can learn

> or

> > > > > > > upgrade/update our understanding and Knowledge ,then i dont

> > > think

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > will b distractions ,even if any pls learn to ignore it

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so in the Long run u will find that it was all nothing if u

> r

> > > > > serious

> > > > > > > abt ur approach in grp discussions ( it shud not b Like

> > > declarations

> > > > > > > that narayana dasa is superior and i can show u and then

> vanish

> > > )

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so all the best for u and let us strt discussing

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > due to my time limit many days i may not reply u but there

> is so

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > memebrs in our forum and they will also b guiding us

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " axeplex "

> > > > > <axeplex@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sunilji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since

> you

> > > have

> > > > > > > raised the issue :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times )

> and

> > > even

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy

> > > -Jataka-

> > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth

> > > time as

> > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person

> as it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name,

> > > there is

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a

> > > healthy

> > > > > > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like " hair

> > > > > cutting " ,

> > > > > > > " hair stylists " etc. At least, I don't think this group is a

> > > hair

> > > > > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss

> > > privately

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > your mail id.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My responses may take time....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regds

> > > > > > > > Dev

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Sunil "

> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaskar and pranams

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and

> not

> > > as

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > reply

> > > > > > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so

> pardon

> > > me in

> > > > > > > case of

> > > > > > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good

> > > person

> > > > > )

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was

> this

> > > ---

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we

> wil

> > > > > take ??

> > > > > > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora

> ,dasadhyayi

> > > etc )

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens

> ,the

> > > > > events

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the

> time

> > > of

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika

> adyaya

> > > )

> > > > > .So

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem

> for

> > > old

> > > > > > > learned

> > > > > > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used

> ,how

> > > many

> > > > > > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to

> the

> > > oil

> > > > > > > consumed

> > > > > > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the

> > > delivery

> > > > > room

> > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar

> tawa

> > > > > methods

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported

> > > birth

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like

> under a

> > > > > tree or

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in

> kerala

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising

> sign

> > > or

> > > > > udaya

> > > > > > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which

> rising

> > > sign

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > b 2

> > > > > > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping

> in

> > > dark

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of

> > > emergency

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method

> has

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and

> efficient

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has

> > > various

> > > > > > > methods

> > > > > > > > > and application and implications

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple

> > > town of

> > > > > > > culture

> > > > > > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any

> chart

> > > but

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its

> > > future

> > > > > effect

> > > > > > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems

> they

> > > > > prescribe

> > > > > > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi

> .one

> > > man

> > > > > > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i

> said

> > > yes

> > > > > > > ,then

> > > > > > > > > he described an event what happened in his life

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he

> went to

> > > > > attent

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he

> was

> > > office

> > > > > > > bearer

> > > > > > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian

> medical

> > > > > > > assossiation

> > > > > > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is

> a

> > > nativ

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that

> he

> > > need

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go

> ahead

> > > and

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of

> the

> > > frnd

> > > > > > > doctor

> > > > > > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the

> frnd

> > > asked

> > > > > him

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He

> was

> > > not

> > > > > > > willing

> > > > > > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not

> > > having

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of

> moon

> > > or

> > > > > moon

> > > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of

> > > birth

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > kids .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of

> My

> > > > > eldest

> > > > > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him

> that

> > > u

> > > > > > > wanted to

> > > > > > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted

> to b

> > > so

> > > > > ,but

> > > > > > > she

> > > > > > > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and

> mind it

> > > > > those

> > > > > > > days

> > > > > > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got

> into

> > > MBBS

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the

> > > purticular

> > > > > > > stream

> > > > > > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is

> worrying

> > > why

> > > > > did

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna ,

> Tamboola

> > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india

> and

> > > may

> > > > > b in

> > > > > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a

> > > > > purticular

> > > > > > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna )

> > > they r

> > > > > > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well

> > > being of

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any

> > > Birth

> > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > individualy but declare results independently for each

> > > memebr in

> > > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there may

> b

> > > 100 to

> > > > > 300

> > > > > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in

> some

> > > Mag

> > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji

> > > conducted

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a

> single

> > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > )

> > > > > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the

> prashna

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point

> many

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > events

> > > > > > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the

> > > details

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna

> there

> > > will b

> > > > > 2

> > > > > > > grps

> > > > > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other

> who

> > > is

> > > > > > > arguing

> > > > > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana

> 's

> > > and

> > > > > hora s

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv

> > > this or

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we

> ask

> > > abt

> > > > > > > efficacy

> > > > > > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so

> called

> > > > > moderators

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to

> brand

> > > u as

> > > > > > > trouble

> > > > > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of

> > > tradition

> > > > > .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times )

> and

> > > even

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > grp

> > > > > > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy

> > > -Jataka-

> > > > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a

> birth

> > > > > time as

> > > > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular

> person

> > > as it

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time

> ,let

> > > me

> > > > > > > conclud

> > > > > > > > > here

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks and with regrds

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sunil nair

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

> > > venkatachala

> > > > > pathi

> > > > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary'

> astrology)

> > > is

> > > > > > > primarily

> > > > > > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the

> > > events

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts

> or

> > > > > action,

> > > > > > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes

> of

> > > > > Natal's

> > > > > > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at

> the

> > > > > > > 'results'

> > > > > > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In

> Indian

> > > school

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before

> > > Standard

> > > > > Time

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors

> in

> > > > > giving

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants,

> while a

> > > few

> > > > > give

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance

> ofÂ

> > > head

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child

> is

> > > > > removed

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the

> time

> > > given

> > > > > by a

> > > > > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by

> her

> > > > > mother

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in

> > > theÂ

> > > > > > > > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot

> relay

> > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > correct time 'given' to him.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to

> > > 'second'

> > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > important to study the birth chart of both children,

> as

> > > few

> > > > > > > > > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka-

> pinda'

> > > > > -Â

> > > > > > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the

> position

> > > ofÂ

> > > > > > > Planets

> > > > > > > > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There

> you

> > > will

> > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become

> > > complecated as

> > > > > 'at

> > > > > > > > > face' become same. It is not so when you actually

> > > 'thread'

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to

> 'trace' a

> > > > > > > perticular

> > > > > > > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an

> > > Astrologer to

> > > > > > > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will

> > > 'shorten'

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > arrive

> > > > > > > > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to

> time

> > > > > consuming

> > > > > > > > > analysis under Dasha system.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the

> > > moment

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the

> birth

> > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods

> are

> > > > > simple

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months

> and

> > > > > years

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this

> could

> > > help

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house'Â more

> > > near to

> > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a-

> dozen

> > > > > > > acceptedÂ

> > > > > > > > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive

> atÂ

> > > > > possible

> > > > > > > date

> > > > > > > > > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an

> > > > > Election

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > more practical and immediate events for whichÂ

> > > instant

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > are required.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great

> > > Astrologer

> > > > > Guru

> > > > > > > > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many

> > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > near

> > > > > > > > > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event

> > > > > questions'

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist

> and

> > > > > practice

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of

> > > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to

> correct

> > > > > > > 'Predictive

> > > > > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space

> of

> > > > > hues,

> > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, Â

> > > > > > > > > > Astrologer,

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Jataka and

> > > Prashna

> > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,

> > > > > > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.

> > > > > > > > > > Here i would like to add that;

> > > > > > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a

> public

> > > > > forum

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > a privilege of every member but ending the

> > > discussion on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;-

> the

> > > topic

> > > > > > > remains

> > > > > > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to

> stopÂ

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without

> > > conclusion

> > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija

> > > sckursija (AT) (DOT)

> > > > > > > com>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary

> > > chart

> > > > > today.

> > > > > > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to

> submit

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray

> chart is

> > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole

> life

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > native.

> > > > > > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal

> char

> > > in

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the

> guest?

> > > When

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > servant will come back? etc.

> > > > > > > > > > >RegardsÂ

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex >

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and

> > > Prashna

> > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>Â

> > > > > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but

> > > written in

> > > > > > > Prashna

> > > > > > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two

> > > thoughts

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > ways:

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes

> and

> > > > > accept

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come

> > > back

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg

> > > that

> > > > > > > horoary

> > > > > > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run

> this

> > > > > society.

> > > > > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so

> expect

> > > the

> > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > from you.

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>regds

> > > > > > > > > > >>Dev

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > > " Lalkitab "

> > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with

> such

> > > > > > > capabilities

> > > > > > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would

> > > pursue

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the

> procedure of

> > > > > being a

> > > > > > > > > Tirthankar.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com,

> > > > > " axeplex "

> > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree

> from

> > > point

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > view

> > > > > > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really

> mean

> > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg,

> here

> > > are

> > > > > slokas

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka

> 18):

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. †" That person, who has mastery

> of

> > > this

> > > > > > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who

> leads a

> > > > > > > religious

> > > > > > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who

> is

> > > well

> > > > > > > versed

> > > > > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be

> called a

> > > > > > > Daivajnya or

> > > > > > > > > seer.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. †" All the predictions made by

> such

> > > a

> > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned

> support

> > > this

> > > > > > > > > statement.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. †" He who has acquired a

> thorough

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five

> siddhantas,

> > > who

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret

> > > mantra by

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already

> had

> > > > > enough.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Dev

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com,

> > > > > Kulbir

> > > > > > > Bains

> > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words,

> consider

> > > the

> > > > > > > spirit,

> > > > > > > > > whenever the

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual

> should

> > > get

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > guidance,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is

> > > divine.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex

> > > <axeplex@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time.

> But

> > > > > when it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > KP Horary,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as

> I

> > > > > know)(You

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > refer to KP

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native

> that

> > > > > fixes

> > > > > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from

> this

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > Then

> > > > > > > > > Ruling planets

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time

> > > (not

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > chart). Common

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two.

> > > Vimshottari

> > > > > Dasa

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > studied, a period

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets

> and

> > > then

> > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > that period,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best

> person

> > > to

> > > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > on KP and you

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can

> be

> > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > but " Aj de taim

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar

> sakde

> > > ne.

> > > > > Te

> > > > > > > kinne

> > > > > > > > > astrloger ne

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar

> > > > > samhita)

> > > > > > > jeende

> > > > > > > > > ne)

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dev

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> .

> > > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give

> > > paramount

> > > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to

> > > coincide

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > planetary

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected.

> > > Kindly

> > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > me if i am wrong.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated

> by

> > > > > something

> > > > > > > > > divine.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:

> > > Jataka

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Prashna - Priority to

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?

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> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,

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> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware

> Prashnamarg

> > > > > prefers

> > > > > > > horary

> > > > > > > > > but what is

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific

> basis of

> > > > > this?

> > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > is my question.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power

> > > associated

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > it, then person

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of

> > > such

> > > > > people

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > there in this

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > world?

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> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > regds

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> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev

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> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> .

> > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is

> trying

> > > to

> > > > > point

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > is one of the

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result

> > > differs

> > > > > > > PRASHNA

> > > > > > > > > should be given

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal

> > > chart -

> > > > > i.e.

> > > > > > > > > Jataka)!

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna

> Marga

> > > and

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > one of the

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text

> > > prashna

> > > > > > > marga

> > > > > > > > > stands - and

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very

> important

> > > > > advice

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > by Prashna

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And

> > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > good scope for

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try

> to

> > > > > address

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > question - " WHY

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the answer

> is

> > > > > > > available in

> > > > > > > > > Prashnamarga

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is

> unaware of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > intricate pointers

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and

> knowledge

> > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > ji

> > > > > > > > > provides.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

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> > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//Â the

> period

> > > is

> > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > according to birthchart

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna  revealed the

> period is

> > > > > > > > > best //

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal

> and

> > > > > > > prashana

> > > > > > > > > Â indications

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> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > are correct.

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Dear Kulbhir Bhai,Hare Rama Krsna,The following definition is the result of search from internet.CRAFT : to make or manufacture (an object, objects, product, etc.) with skill and careful attention to detail. Here more Mars and Mercury is playing their role.ART : Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.Here more attributes of Sun, Moon & Jupiter.So what is better, Crafty prediction or Artistic prediction. ? What you will choose ? Lawyers (infact any other DR., Engg. etc) should be Crafty , else they will be out of professionThankyou,Best Wishes,Vijay GoelJaipur. , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:>> Dear Goel ji,> There is difference between Art and CRAFT.> Regards> Kulbir Bains.> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:34 PM, vijay.goel goyalvj wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Devi Singh Ji,> >> > Hare Rama Krsna,> >> > //i will show how it is working with mechanism which modern science says> > with proof and book reference//> >> > I will love to see it and appreciate it. > >> > I believe 'Prediction' is pure Art, it is a beautiful Song where 'Rhythmic> > Notes', the flow is given by Sun, 'Sweetness' of voice, music is added by> > Moon, and 'Purity' [of thoughts, natural laws,] of poem is an attributes of> > Jupiter.> > All other acts (like Mars - logical, Mercury - intelligence, etc) are just> > 'Preparation' for the 'Prediction' like all artist and technician assemble> > in the recording room. All are important for every final output , action or> > event [prediction \ song ] in life, is covered by all nine planets jointly.> >> > All sciences ends in Art.> >> > Just a thought thankyou,> >> >> > Best Wishes,> > Vijay Goel> > Jaipur.> >> > , devisigh> > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Vijay JI,> > >> > > I Love to contribute Astrology in My way.....nobody Dare to say It is> > > not working (i will show how it is working with mechanism which modern> > > science says with proof and book reference)...it takes its own time with> > > God Grace..> > >> > > --who live Contradictions ...can come up above all contradictions...> > > ------------------> > > Regards,> > > Devisingh> > >> > >> > > vijay.goel wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear DeviSinghji,> > > >> > > > I will support Kulbhir Bhai, Please give it a try.> > > > We might get benefited from you.> > > >> > > > Thankyou,> > > > Best Wishes,> > > > Vijay Goel> > > > Jaipur.> > > >> > > > > > > > <%40<%2540>>,> > "Lalkitab"> > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Devi Singh ji,> > > > > Lalkitab has provided a table for annual transit of planets upto 120> > > > years. I have seen best of mathematicians, software engineers,> > > > astrologers etc. trying to decode the formula but with no success.> > > > kindly give it a try.> > > > > Regards> > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > <%40<%2540>>,> > devisigh> > > > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar JI,> > > > > >> > > > > > I am Devisingh Rajput (Master of Science,Computer> > > > > > Engineer,Teacher,Lawyer,Astrologer..etc )> > > > > > (if anybody want can reach to my home through google my> > > > > > profile/data/cell everything is there on Net)......If anybody want> > > > else> > > > > > info i am ready to give.....> > > > > >> > > > > > Please pardon me if i hurt anybody though that was not> > > > > > intention.....sharing has to be taken as wealth of thoughts for> > > > benefit> > > > > > of astrology....> > > > > >> > > > > > Mr Dev(whoever he is)......he is different Person on this> > forum.....> > > > > >> > > > > > You have pointed out that leakage tank example and higher math> > those> > > > > > article was from me .....i left those not to trouble much> > others....> > > > > > Everything with me and working silently for benefit of astrology> > > > but not> > > > > > to waste anybody time i have enjoy what i have ...just wait for> > > > season> > > > > > to come in astrology......> > > > > >> > > > > > All connected via group are friend and working for Astrology that> > > > i can> > > > > > take granted from this group and being them consider friend is> > > > good (at> > > > > > least Human are pron to err)> > > > > > As a senior you and other are always respected....everybody have> > > > to live> > > > > > together in forum same as roof of god that is beauty.....> > > > > > If everything is predicted then no room for not predicted.....life> > is> > > > > > like River it has flow...without flow in astrology It prone to> > > > Death....> > > > > >> > > > > > If anybody have any query from my post i can answer those because> > > > i am> > > > > > not posting without working from myside first....> > > > > >> > > > > > -I pray to God he will help to come out you from Bad health...> > > > > > ------------------> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Devisingh> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mr. Axe plex (Dev???),> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Talk to me directly.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are the only one who has wasted time of so many members to> > > > the tune> > > > > > > of not hours, but days in senseless discussions. You make claims> > > > > > > constantly but when anyone asks you for some anaylsis or inputs,> > > > > > > everytime you search for escape routes and excuses, and never> > > > return for> > > > > > > those Queries but come back with some other senseless> > > > discussion. You> > > > > > > are just like that persdon advising in a gentry of Haircutters> > > > about how> > > > > > > to cut hair, which example was specially meant for you.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And stop sending mails on my personal id. I dont want to read any> > > > > > > rubbish filth nor are you so important enough to enable a reply> > > > from me.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You dont know the basics of astrology, why are you wasting time> > of> > > > > > > respected members like Shri Sunil Nairji who have lots of pearls> > to> > > > > > > display, but displaying before..... And you want healthy> > > > discussions ?> > > > > > > On what ? On higher mathematics ? On postings which nobody can> > > > > > > understand ? Except another fake id like yours which will come up> > to> > > > > > > praise you ? You want to discuss on how water leakage froma tank> > > > can be> > > > > > > predicted ? Then discuss please. Thats what we are asking you> > > > since last> > > > > > > 3 months to show, discuss, produce, demonstrate and support and> > > > > > > authenticate your claims, but you are talking senseless all the> > > > times> > > > > > > and commenting on others comments ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You say that your responses will take time ? Do you know> > > > anything att> > > > > > > all to respond by the way ? As usual you will expect people to> > > > forget> > > > > > > this and come back again with something silly and want people to> > > > listen> > > > > > > to you, which you will call as "Healthy discussion". Thank God> > > > at least> > > > > > > I have not wasted my time with such healthy discussions in last> > few> > > > > > > weeks with you.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And you have a problem about my using terms like "Hair Stylists"> > > > > > > and"Hair cutters". Listen I am a genuine member here who has> > > > right to> > > > > > > comment. Before you raise a motion of opposition for me, please> > > > prove> > > > > > > your genuinity by allowing members to know your real name,> > contact> > > > > > > particulars and about yourself.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > <%40<%2540>> > >> > > > > > > <%40<%2540>>,> > "axeplex"> > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sunilji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you> > have> > > > > > > raised the issue :> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and> > > > even in> > > > > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy> > -Jataka-> > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time> > as> > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it> > > > will> > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name,> > > > there is no> > > > > > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a> > healthy> > > > > > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like "hair> > > > cutting",> > > > > > > "hair stylists" etc. At least, I don't think this group is a hair> > > > > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss> > > > privately on> > > > > > > your mail id.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > My responses may take time....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40<%2540>> > >> > > > > > > <%40<%2540>>,> > "Sunil"> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Namaskar and pranams> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and not> > > > as a> > > > > > > reply> > > > > > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon me> > in> > > > > > > case of> > > > > > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good> > > > person )> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this> > > > --- when> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil> > > > take ??> > > > > > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi> > > > etc ) and> > > > > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the> > > > events> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the time> > > > of birth> > > > > > > (> > > > > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya> > > > ) .So> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for> > old> > > > > > > learned> > > > > > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how> > many> > > > > > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the> > oil> > > > > > > consumed> > > > > > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the> > > > delivery room> > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa> > > > methods> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported> > > > birth time> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a> > > > tree or> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala> > > > is not> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign> > > > or udaya> > > > > > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising> > > > sign will> > > > > > > b 2> > > > > > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in> > > > dark and> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of> > > > emergency the> > > > > > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has> > more> > > > > > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has various> > > > methods> > > > > > > > > and application and implications> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple town> > of> > > > > > > culture> > > > > > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart> > > > but they> > > > > > > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its> > > > future effect> > > > > > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they> > > > prescribe> > > > > > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one> > man> > > > > > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said> > yes> > > > > > > ,then> > > > > > > > > he described an event what happened in his life> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to> > > > attent> > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was> > office> > > > > > > bearer> > > > > > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical> > > > > > > assossiation> > > > > > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a> > > > nativ of> > > > > > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he> > > > need to> > > > > > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead> > > > and i> > > > > > > dont> > > > > > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the> > frnd> > > > > > > doctor> > > > > > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd> > > > asked him> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was> > not> > > > > > > willing> > > > > > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not> > > > having any> > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon> > > > or moon> > > > > > > sign> > > > > > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of> > > > birth of> > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > kids .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My> > > > eldest> > > > > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that u> > > > wanted> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b> > > > so ,but> > > > > > > she> > > > > > > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it> > > > those> > > > > > > days> > > > > > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into> > > > MBBS when> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the> > purticular> > > > > > > stream> > > > > > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying> > > > why did> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola> > > > prashna> > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and> > > > may b in> > > > > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a> > > > purticular> > > > > > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) they> > r> > > > > > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well> > > > being of a> > > > > > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any> > Birth> > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > individualy but declare results independently for each memebr> > in> > > > > > > family> > > > > > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b> > > > 100 to 300> > > > > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some> > > > Mag in a> > > > > > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji> > > > conducted such> > > > > > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single> > > > prashna )> > > > > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna> > > > and the> > > > > > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many> > > > of the> > > > > > > events> > > > > > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the> > > > details he> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there> > > > will b 2> > > > > > > grps> > > > > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who is> > > > > > > arguing> > > > > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's> > > > and hora s> > > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv this> > > > or i> > > > > > > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt> > > > > > > efficacy> > > > > > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called> > > > moderators> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand u> > as> > > > > > > trouble> > > > > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of> > > > tradition .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and> > > > even in> > > > > > > grp> > > > > > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy> > -Jataka-> > > > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth> > > > time as> > > > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as> > it> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let me> > > > > > > conclud> > > > > > > > > here> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > thanks and with regrds> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40<%2540>> > >> > > > > > > <%40<%2540>>,> >> > > > venkatachala pathi> > > > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sirs,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology)> > is> > > > > > > primarily> > > > > > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find out the events> > in> > > > > > > one's> > > > > > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or> > > > action,> > > > > > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of> > > > Natal's> > > > > > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the> > > > > > > 'results'> > > > > > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In Indian school> > of> > > > > > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before> > > > Standard Time> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in> > > > giving> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a> > > > few give> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance of head or> > > > > > > part> > > > > > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is> > > > removed> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time> > > > given by a> > > > > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her> > > > mother> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÂ> > > > > > > > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot relay on> > the> > > > > > > > > correct time 'given' to him.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference to 'second'> > > > > > > becomes> > > > > > > > > important to study the birth chart of both children, as few> > > > > > > > > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda' -Â> > > > > > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the position ofÂ> > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed. There you will> > > > > > > note> > > > > > > > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become complecated as> > 'at> > > > > > > > > face' become same. It is not so when you actually 'thread'> > > > their> > > > > > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a> > > > > > > perticular> > > > > > > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer> > to> > > > > > > > > 'cast' result of a given event. This method will 'shorten'> > to> > > > > > > arrive> > > > > > > > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to time> > consuming> > > > > > > > > analysis under Dasha system.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the> > > > moment of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the birth> > > > charts,> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are> > > > simple> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and> > > > years> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this could help to> > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more near to> > > > > > > correct> > > > > > > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen> > > > > > > acceptedÂ> > > > > > > > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive at possible> > > > > > > date> > > > > > > > > of marriage or of a child birth or success in an Election> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > more practical and immediate events for which instant> > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > are required.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great> > > > Astrologer Guru> > > > > > > > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many> > Astrologers> > > > > > > near> > > > > > > > > to correct predictions for solving subtle 'event questions'> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist and> > practice> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of> > > > Astrology.> > > > > > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct> > > > > > > 'Predictive> > > > > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large space of> > hues,> > > > > > > while> > > > > > > > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.> > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, Â> > > > > > > > > > Astrologer,> > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40<%2540>> > >> > > > > > > <%40<%2540>> > >> > > > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Jataka and> > > > Prashna -> > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,> > > > > > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.> > > > > > > > > > Here i would like to add that;> > > > > > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public> > > > forum> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > a privilege of every member but ending the discussion on> > the> > > > > > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.> > > > > > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the> > topic> > > > > > > remains> > > > > > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to stopÂ> > their> > > > > > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without> > conclusion> > > > > > > doesn't> > > > > > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.  Â> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija> > sckursija (AT) (DOT) > > > > > > > com>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary> > > > chart today.> > > > > > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit> > > > that the> > > > > > > natal> > > > > > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is> > > > for the> > > > > > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life> > > > of the> > > > > > > > > native.> > > > > > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char> > > > in some> > > > > > > > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the guest? When> > my> > > > > > > > > servant will come back? etc.> > > > > > > > > > >RegardsÂ> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and> > > > Prashna -> > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Â> > > > > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but written> > in> > > > > > > Prashna> > > > > > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two> > > > thoughts or> > > > > > > ways:> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes and> > > > accept> > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come> > > > back with> > > > > > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that> > > > > > > horoary> > > > > > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.> > > > > > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this> > > > society.> > > > > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect> > > > the same> > > > > > > > > from you.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>regds> > > > > > > > > > >>Dev> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Lalkitab"> > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such> > > > > > > capabilities> > > > > > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.> > > > > > > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would> > > > pursue his> > > > > > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.> > > > > > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure of> > > > being a> > > > > > > > > Tirthankar.> > > > > > > > > > >>> Regards> > > > > > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from> > > > point of> > > > > > > view> > > > > > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean> > it.> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here> > > > are slokas> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. âEUR" That person, who has mastery of this> > > > > > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a> > > > > > > religious> > > > > > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is> > well> > > > > > > versed> > > > > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a> > > > > > > Daivajnya or> > > > > > > > > seer.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. âEUR" All the predictions made by such a> > > > person> > > > > > > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned support> > this> > > > > > > > > statement.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. âEUR" He who has acquired a thorough> > > > knowledge> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas,> > > > who has> > > > > > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret> > > > mantra by a> > > > > > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had> > > > enough.> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > Kulbir> > > > > > > Bains> > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider> > the> > > > > > > spirit,> > > > > > > > > whenever the> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual should> > get> > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > guidance,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is> > divine.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex> > > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But> > > > when it> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > KP Horary,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I> > > > know)(You> > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > refer to KP> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that> > > > fixes> > > > > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this> > > > chart.> > > > > > > Then> > > > > > > > > Ruling planets> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time> > > > (not native> > > > > > > > > chart). Common> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two.> > > > Vimshottari Dasa> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > studied, a period> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and> > then> > > > > > > within> > > > > > > > > that period,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person> > to> > > > > > > comment> > > > > > > > > on KP and you> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be> > > > > > > understood> > > > > > > > > but "Aj de taim> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde> > > > ne. Te> > > > > > > kinne> > > > > > > > > astrloger ne> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar> > > > samhita)> > > > > > > jeende> > > > > > > > > ne)> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount> > > > > > > importance> > > > > > > > > to the> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to> > > > coincide with> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > planetary> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected.> > Kindly> > > > > > > correct> > > > > > > > > me if i am wrong.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by> > > > something> > > > > > > > > divine.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > > Jataka and> > > > > > > > > Prashna - Priority to> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Ã,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg> > > > prefers> > > > > > > horary> > > > > > > > > but what is> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of> > > > this?> > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > is my question.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power> > associated> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > it, then person> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of> > > > such people> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > there in this> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > world?> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> >> > > > com,> > > > > > > > > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying> > > > to point> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > is one of the> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs> > > > > > > PRASHNA> > > > > > > > > should be given> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal> > > > chart - i.e.> > > > > > > > > Jataka)!> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga> > > > and that> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > one of the> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text> > prashna> > > > > > > marga> > > > > > > > > stands - and> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important> > > > advice> > > > > > > given> > > > > > > > > by Prashna> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And> > > > there is> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > good scope for> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to> > > > address> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > question - "WHY> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is> > > > > > > available in> > > > > > > > > Prashnamarga> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of> > the> > > > > > > > > intricate pointers> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge> > > > Sunil> > > > > > > ji> > > > > > > > > provides.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//ÃfâEURs( the period is> > bad> > > > > > > > > according to birthchart> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna ÃfâEURs( revealed the period is> > > > > > > > > bestÃfâEURs( //> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and> > > > > > > prashana> > > > > > > > > ÃfâEURs( indications> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > are correct.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Your Mail works best with the New > > > > Optimized IE8.> > > > > > > Get> > > > > > > > > it NOW!> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo> > rer/> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > -- > Regards> Kulbir Bians>

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Dear Kulbhir bhai,One more addition :Craft is basically Commerce.The sequence is : Science --> Commerce ---> Art.or we can say : Basic knowledge --> Utility --> Spirituality.In astrological terms : Astronomy --> Panchanga --> Prediction.Vijay , "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Kulbhir Bhai,> > Hare Rama Krsna,> > The following definition is the result of search from internet.> > CRAFT : to make or manufacture (an object, objects, product, etc.) with> skill and careful attention to detail.> > Here more Mars and Mercury is playing their role.> > ART : Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work> of nature.> > Here more attributes of Sun, Moon & Jupiter.> > So what is better, Crafty prediction or Artistic prediction. ? What you> will choose ? []> > Lawyers (infact any other DR., Engg. etc) should be Crafty [] , else> they will be out of profession [:-?] [(:|]> > Thankyou,> Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> > > > , Kulbir Bains> lalkitabkb@ wrote:> >> > Dear Goel ji,> > There is difference between Art and CRAFT.> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains.> >> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:34 PM, vijay.goel goyalvj@ wrote:> >> > >> > >> > > Dear Devi Singh Ji,> > >> > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > >> > > //i will show how it is working with mechanism which modern science> says> > > with proof and book reference//> > >> > > I will love to see it and appreciate it. > > >> > > I believe 'Prediction' is pure Art, it is a beautiful Song where> 'Rhythmic> > > Notes', the flow is given by Sun, 'Sweetness' of voice, music is> added by> > > Moon, and 'Purity' [of thoughts, natural laws,] of poem is an> attributes of> > > Jupiter.> > > All other acts (like Mars - logical, Mercury - intelligence, etc)> are just> > > 'Preparation' for the 'Prediction' like all artist and technician> assemble> > > in the recording room. All are important for every final output ,> action or> > > event [prediction \ song ] in life, is covered by all nine planets> jointly.> > >> > > All sciences ends in Art.> > >> > > Just a thought thankyou,> > >> > >> > > Best Wishes,> > > Vijay Goel> > > Jaipur.> > >> > > , devisigh> > > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Vijay JI,> > > >> > > > I Love to contribute Astrology in My way.....nobody Dare to say It> is> > > > not working (i will show how it is working with mechanism which> modern> > > > science says with proof and book reference)...it takes its own> time with> > > > God Grace..> > > >> > > > --who live Contradictions ...can come up above all> contradictions...> > > > ------------------> > > > Regards,> > > > Devisingh> > > >> > > >> > > > vijay.goel wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear DeviSinghji,> > > > >> > > > > I will support Kulbhir Bhai, Please give it a try.> > > > > We might get benefited from you.> > > > >> > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>>,> > > "Lalkitab"> > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Devi Singh ji,> > > > > > Lalkitab has provided a table for annual transit of planets> upto 120> > > > > years. I have seen best of mathematicians, software engineers,> > > > > astrologers etc. trying to decode the formula but with no> success.> > > > > kindly give it a try.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>>,> > > devisigh> > > > > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar JI,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am Devisingh Rajput (Master of Science,Computer> > > > > > > Engineer,Teacher,Lawyer,Astrologer..etc )> > > > > > > (if anybody want can reach to my home through google my> > > > > > > profile/data/cell everything is there on Net)......If> anybody want> > > > > else> > > > > > > info i am ready to give.....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Please pardon me if i hurt anybody though that was not> > > > > > > intention.....sharing has to be taken as wealth of thoughts> for> > > > > benefit> > > > > > > of astrology....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mr Dev(whoever he is)......he is different Person on this> > > forum.....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You have pointed out that leakage tank example and higher> math> > > those> > > > > > > article was from me .....i left those not to trouble much> > > others....> > > > > > > Everything with me and working silently for benefit of> astrology> > > > > but not> > > > > > > to waste anybody time i have enjoy what i have ...just wait> for> > > > > season> > > > > > > to come in astrology......> > > > > > >> > > > > > > All connected via group are friend and working for Astrology> that> > > > > i can> > > > > > > take granted from this group and being them consider friend> is> > > > > good (at> > > > > > > least Human are pron to err)> > > > > > > As a senior you and other are always respected....everybody> have> > > > > to live> > > > > > > together in forum same as roof of god that is beauty.....> > > > > > > If everything is predicted then no room for not> predicted.....life> > > is> > > > > > > like River it has flow...without flow in astrology It prone> to> > > > > Death....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If anybody have any query from my post i can answer those> because> > > > > i am> > > > > > > not posting without working from myside first....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -I pray to God he will help to come out you from Bad> health...> > > > > > > ------------------> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Devisingh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Mr. Axe plex (Dev???),> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Talk to me directly.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You are the only one who has wasted time of so many> members to> > > > > the tune> > > > > > > > of not hours, but days in senseless discussions. You make> claims> > > > > > > > constantly but when anyone asks you for some anaylsis or> inputs,> > > > > > > > everytime you search for escape routes and excuses, and> never> > > > > return for> > > > > > > > those Queries but come back with some other senseless> > > > > discussion. You> > > > > > > > are just like that persdon advising in a gentry of> Haircutters> > > > > about how> > > > > > > > to cut hair, which example was specially meant for you.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > And stop sending mails on my personal id. I dont want to> read any> > > > > > > > rubbish filth nor are you so important enough to enable a> reply> > > > > from me.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You dont know the basics of astrology, why are you wasting> time> > > of> > > > > > > > respected members like Shri Sunil Nairji who have lots of> pearls> > > to> > > > > > > > display, but displaying before..... And you want healthy> > > > > discussions ?> > > > > > > > On what ? On higher mathematics ? On postings which nobody> can> > > > > > > > understand ? Except another fake id like yours which will> come up> > > to> > > > > > > > praise you ? You want to discuss on how water leakage> froma tank> > > > > can be> > > > > > > > predicted ? Then discuss please. Thats what we are asking> you> > > > > since last> > > > > > > > 3 months to show, discuss, produce, demonstrate and> support and> > > > > > > > authenticate your claims, but you are talking senseless> all the> > > > > times> > > > > > > > and commenting on others comments ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You say that your responses will take time ? Do you know> > > > > anything att> > > > > > > > all to respond by the way ? As usual you will expect> people to> > > > > forget> > > > > > > > this and come back again with something silly and want> people to> > > > > listen> > > > > > > > to you, which you will call as "Healthy discussion". Thank> God> > > > > at least> > > > > > > > I have not wasted my time with such healthy discussions in> last> > > few> > > > > > > > weeks with you.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > And you have a problem about my using terms like "Hair> Stylists"> > > > > > > > and"Hair cutters". Listen I am a genuine member here who> has> > > > > right to> > > > > > > > comment. Before you raise a motion of opposition for me,> please> > > > > prove> > > > > > > > your genuinity by allowing members to know your real name,> > > contact> > > > > > > > particulars and about yourself.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>> > > >> > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>>,> > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sunilji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since> you> > > have> > > > > > > > raised the issue :> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times )> and> > > > > even in> > > > > > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy> > > -Jataka-> > > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a> birth time> > > as> > > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person> as it> > > > > will> > > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my> name,> > > > > there is no> > > > > > > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a> > > healthy> > > > > > > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like> "hair> > > > > cutting",> > > > > > > > "hair stylists" etc. At least, I don't think this group is> a hair> > > > > > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss> > > > > privately on> > > > > > > > your mail id.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > My responses may take time....> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>> > > >> > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>>,> > > "Sunil"> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Namaskar and pranams> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp> and not> > > > > as a> > > > > > > > reply> > > > > > > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so> pardon me> > > in> > > > > > > > case of> > > > > > > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a> good> > > > > person )> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was> this> > > > > --- when> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what> we wil> > > > > take ??> > > > > > > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora> ,dasadhyayi> > > > > etc ) and> > > > > > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens> ,the> > > > > events> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the> time> > > > > of birth> > > > > > > > (> > > > > > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika> adyaya> > > > > ) .So> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a> problem for> > > old> > > > > > > > learned> > > > > > > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used> ,how> > > many> > > > > > > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc> to the> > > oil> > > > > > > > consumed> > > > > > > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the> > > > > delivery room> > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa> -antar tawa> > > > > methods> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if> reported> > > > > birth time> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like> under a> > > > > tree or> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in> kerala> > > > > is not> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising> sign> > > > > or udaya> > > > > > > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which> rising> > > > > sign will> > > > > > > > b 2> > > > > > > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r> groping in> > > > > dark and> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of> > > > > emergency the> > > > > > > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this> method has> > > more> > > > > > > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and> efficient> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has> various> > > > > methods> > > > > > > > > > and application and implications> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in> temple town> > > of> > > > > > > > culture> > > > > > > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any> chart> > > > > but they> > > > > > > > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its> > > > > future effect> > > > > > > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems> they> > > > > prescribe> > > > > > > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi> .one> > > man> > > > > > > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer> .i said> > > yes> > > > > > > > ,then> > > > > > > > > > he described an event what happened in his life> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he> went to> > > > > attent> > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he> was> > > office> > > > > > > > bearer> > > > > > > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian> medical> > > > > > > > assossiation> > > > > > > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd> is a> > > > > nativ of> > > > > > > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that> he> > > > > need to> > > > > > > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go> ahead> > > > > and i> > > > > > > > dont> > > > > > > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of> the> > > frnd> > > > > > > > doctor> > > > > > > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the> frnd> > > > > asked him> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions> .He was> > > not> > > > > > > > willing> > > > > > > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not> > > > > having any> > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of> moon> > > > > or moon> > > > > > > > sign> > > > > > > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day> of> > > > > birth of> > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > kids .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future> of My> > > > > eldest> > > > > > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him> that u> > > > > wanted> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted> to b> > > > > so ,but> > > > > > > > she> > > > > > > > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and> mind it> > > > > those> > > > > > > > days> > > > > > > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got> into> > > > > MBBS when> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the> > > purticular> > > > > > > > stream> > > > > > > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is> worrying> > > > > why did> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna ,> Tamboola> > > > > prashna> > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of> india and> > > > > may b in> > > > > > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for> a> > > > > purticular> > > > > > > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna> ) they> > > r> > > > > > > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete> well> > > > > being of a> > > > > > > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult> any> > > Birth> > > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > > individualy but declare results independently for each> memebr> > > in> > > > > > > > family> > > > > > > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there> may b> > > > > 100 to 300> > > > > > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in> some> > > > > Mag in a> > > > > > > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji> > > > > conducted such> > > > > > > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a> single> > > > > prashna )> > > > > > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the> prashna> > > > > and the> > > > > > > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point> many> > > > > of the> > > > > > > > events> > > > > > > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking> the> > > > > details he> > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna> there> > > > > will b 2> > > > > > > > grps> > > > > > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other> who is> > > > > > > > arguing> > > > > > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana> 's> > > > > and hora s> > > > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i> blv this> > > > > or i> > > > > > > > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we> ask abt> > > > > > > > efficacy> > > > > > > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so> called> > > > > moderators> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to> brand u> > > as> > > > > > > > trouble> > > > > > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of> > > > > tradition .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times )> and> > > > > even in> > > > > > > > grp> > > > > > > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of> horoscopy> > > -Jataka-> > > > > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a> birth> > > > > time as> > > > > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular> person as> > > it> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time> ,let me> > > > > > > > conclud> > > > > > > > > > here> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > thanks and with regrds> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > sunil nair> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>> > > >> > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>>,> > >> > > > > venkatachala pathi> > > > > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sirs,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary'> astrology)> > > is> > > > > > > > primarily> > > > > > > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find outÂ> the events> > > in> > > > > > > > one's> > > > > > > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's> attempts or> > > > > action,> > > > > > > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes> of> > > > > Natal's> > > > > > > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive> at the> > > > > > > > 'results'> > > > > > > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general. In> Indian school> > > of> > > > > > > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before> > > > > Standard Time> > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are> errors in> > > > > giving> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants,> while a> > > > > few give> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - time of appearance> of head or> > > > > > > > part> > > > > > > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the> child is> > > > > removed> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the> time> > > > > given by a> > > > > > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told> by her> > > > > mother> > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in> theÂ> > > > > > > > > > > morning!!). In such cases an astrologer cannot> relay on> > > the> > > > > > > > > > correct time 'given' to him.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 2. Whenever twins are born the time difference> to 'second'> > > > > > > > becomes> > > > > > > > > > important to study the birth chart of both> children, as few> > > > > > > > > > minutes close to each other, could deliver 'Eka-> pinda' -Â> > > > > > > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the> position ofÂ> > > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > > in both Birth charts of kids are not changed.> There you will> > > > > > > > note> > > > > > > > > > 'predictive side' of charts mostly become> complecated as> > > 'at> > > > > > > > > > face' become same. It is not so when you actually> 'thread'> > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to> 'trace' a> > > > > > > > perticular> > > > > > > > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an> Astrologer> > > to> > > > > > > > > > 'cast' result of a given event. This method will> 'shorten'> > > to> > > > > > > > arrive> > > > > > > > > > at correct 'deduction' on 'event, as compared to> time> > > consuming> > > > > > > > > > analysis under Dasha system.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking> the> > > > > moment of> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > judgement, to correct the subtle difference in the> birth> > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods> are> > > > > simple> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in> months and> > > > > years> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > practice to arrive at right results. Say, this> could help to> > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house' more> near to> > > > > > > > correct> > > > > > > > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a-> dozen> > > > > > > > acceptedÂ> > > > > > > > > > Dasha Methods. Similarly, this helps to arrive> at possible> > > > > > > > date> > > > > > > > > > of marriage or of a child birth or success in> an Election> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > more practical and immediate events for whichÂ> instant> > > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > are required.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great> > > > > Astrologer Guru> > > > > > > > > > Shri Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many> > > Astrologers> > > > > > > > near> > > > > > > > > > to correct predictions for solving subtle> 'event questions'> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > accurate solutions. Further, great experts exist> and> > > practice> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of> > > > > Astrology.> > > > > > > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to> correct> > > > > > > > 'Predictive> > > > > > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packed with a large> space of> > > hues,> > > > > > > > while> > > > > > > > > > Horaray astrology reduce such space.> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, Â> > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer,> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>> > > >> > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Jataka> and> > > > > Prashna -> > > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,> > > > > > > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.> > > > > > > > > > > Here i would like to add that;> > > > > > > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a> public> > > > > forum> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > a privilege of every member but ending the> discussion on> > > the> > > > > > > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.> > > > > > > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;-> the> > > topic> > > > > > > > remains> > > > > > > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to> stopÂ> > > their> > > > > > > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without> > > conclusion> > > > > > > > doesn't> > > > > > > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensible group.> > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.  Â> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija> > > sckursija (AT) (DOT) > > > > > > > > com>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and> Horary> > > > > chart today.> > > > > > > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to> submit> > > > > that the> > > > > > > > natal> > > > > > > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray> chart is> > > > > for the> > > > > > > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole> life> > > > > of the> > > > > > > > > > native.> > > > > > > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal> char> > > > > in some> > > > > > > > > > sphere such as who will win? When I receive the> guest? When> > > my> > > > > > > > > > servant will come back? etc.> > > > > > > > > > > >RegardsÂ> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex >> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka> and> > > > > Prashna -> > > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>Â> > > > > > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but> written> > > in> > > > > > > > Prashna> > > > > > > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two> > > > > thoughts or> > > > > > > > ways:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your> eyes and> > > > > accept> > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not> come> > > > > back with> > > > > > > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna> marg that> > > > > > > > horoary> > > > > > > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.> > > > > > > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run> this> > > > > society.> > > > > > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so> expect> > > > > the same> > > > > > > > > > from you.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>regds> > > > > > > > > > > >>Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > "Lalkitab"> > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with> such> > > > > > > > capabilities> > > > > > > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage> would> > > > > pursue his> > > > > > > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the> procedure of> > > > > being a> > > > > > > > > > Tirthankar.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Regards> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree> from> > > > > point of> > > > > > > > view> > > > > > > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really> mean> > > it.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg,> here> > > > > are slokas> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka> 18):> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. âEUR" That person, who has> mastery of this> > > > > > > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who> leads a> > > > > > > > religious> > > > > > > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and> who is> > > well> > > > > > > > versed> > > > > > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be> called a> > > > > > > > Daivajnya or> > > > > > > > > > seer.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. âEUR" All the predictions made> by such a> > > > > person> > > > > > > > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned> support> > > this> > > > > > > > > > statement.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. âEUR" He who has acquired a> thorough> > > > > knowledge> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five> siddhantas,> > > > > who has> > > > > > > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret> > > > > mantra by a> > > > > > > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already> had> > > > > enough.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > Kulbir> > > > > > > > Bains> > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words,> consider> > > the> > > > > > > > spirit,> > > > > > > > > > whenever the> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual> should> > > get> > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > guidance,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part> is> > > divine.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of> astrologer.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex> > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current> time. But> > > > > when it> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > KP Horary,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far> as I> > > > > know)(You> > > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > refer to KP> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native> that> > > > > fixes> > > > > > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from> this> > > > > chart.> > > > > > > > Then> > > > > > > > > > Ruling planets> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that> time> > > > > (not native> > > > > > > > > > chart). Common> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two.> > > > > Vimshottari Dasa> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > studied, a period> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets> and> > > then> > > > > > > > within> > > > > > > > > > that period,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best> person> > > to> > > > > > > > comment> > > > > > > > > > on KP and you> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna> can be> > > > > > > > understood> > > > > > > > > > but "Aj de taim> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar> sakde> > > > > ne. Te> > > > > > > > kinne> > > > > > > > > > astrloger ne> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan> (aachaar> > > > > samhita)> > > > > > > > jeende> > > > > > > > > > ne)> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > > > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give> paramount> > > > > > > > importance> > > > > > > > > > to the> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to> > > > > coincide with> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > planetary> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is> erected.> > > Kindly> > > > > > > > correct> > > > > > > > > > me if i am wrong.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated> by> > > > > something> > > > > > > > > > divine.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@>> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > > > Jataka and> > > > > > > > > > Prashna - Priority to> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > > > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Ã,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware> Prashnamarg> > > > > prefers> > > > > > > > horary> > > > > > > > > > but what is> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific> basis of> > > > > this?> > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > is my question.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power> > > associated> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > it, then person> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many> of> > > > > such people> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > there in this> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > world?> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > >> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is> trying> > > > > to point> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > is one of the> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e.> -> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result> differs> > > > > > > > PRASHNA> > > > > > > > > > should be given> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not> Natal> > > > > chart - i.e.> > > > > > > > > > Jataka)!> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna> Marga> > > > > and that> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > one of the> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole> text> > > prashna> > > > > > > > marga> > > > > > > > > > stands - and> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very> important> > > > > advice> > > > > > > > given> > > > > > > > > > by Prashna> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that.> And> > > > > there is> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > good scope for> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try> to> > > > > address> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > question - "WHY> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so?" 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