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Dear respected sai raman Ji Namaskar many thanks for posting further charts and ur subsequent own analysis and some information s on those charts .But pls always post the full data too along with any such mails and also pls let us know how far we can base the birth time givn is correct The main reason is let me tell frankly --i am not of good opinion abt many charts being recorded in TN tho Tamil has good treasure of astro literature and many allied indian sastras .with warm rgrds sunil nair , sairam nat <sairaman53 wrote:>> Thanks very much for your encouragement > > As you have requested to my mind came another similar kumbalagna hors born in 1958 26th september > > close cousin finished BE joined Airforce wife in bank both from big family went to foreign  stayed for 3 years having houses land and property highly rewarded from govt two sons in engineering one already in job beautiful house rich in every sense etc etc..nothing no bhava in fall short > > here kumbalagna moon guru star in aquaris rasi and 2nd kethu 4th mars 7th venus 8th raghu and sun with mercury  9th guru and 10th saturn > now running kethu dasa well placed  car bungfalow money etc nothing short of ...> > moon mercury venus has changed from hor. of woman of suffering > > here the dasa running has changed the whole picture venus in kenthra to lagna and to moon raghu sun mercury hemmed between jupiter and venus > > whatever is said not much convinced > > another of my   friend kataka lagna with jupiter inn exaltation mars in 3rd house kethu 4th saturn in 9th in meena raghu sun mercury in 10th and moon in 11th and venus in 12th now running jupiter dasa venus bukthi father left mother at young age mother supports life with two sisters no regular income no big job no money no marrriage still at 42 year ((11 5 1967)> >    i was told by one learned old astrologer any planet when running dasa if some other strong planets in 10th house to it (here jupiter to 10th in mesha three planets) is called PARASPARA KARAGHATHTHUVAM this will obstruct all events in life and give tough strains in the dasa> > though jupiter moon and s un are exalted become powerless due to unkown reasons according to traditional rules> > like that  i have in stock many good and bad hors. if permited by moderators we can discuss and share our thoughts> > with my regards > > sairaman> > > > ________________________________> astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala > Wed, 10 March, 2010 12:09:21 PM> Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai> >  > > Dear sairaman Ji > >  Many thanks for ur reply and expect many such charts in future too .> > But i am of the opinion that astrology as a tool can b used and if we take precautions many events can b averted and peace will b the result provided we use it with real intentions > > let me quote BV Raman here> > "Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control> Them"Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma"> > with warm rgrds sunil nair> ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat sairaman53@ ..> wrote:> >> > Dear Sir> > > > > > I am extremely thankful; to you for your analysis and reply> > > > it isdivine science and for people with extreme problems without solutions for long long periods in every dasa > > > > there is no sight of relief > > > > it seems no pariharas or human efforts can give relief> > > > we have to get a valid justification as you said for this kind hors.> > > > the rules with practical well known cases appliedfor many hors. can give us good enthusiasm andencouragements in this divine science > > > > > > i am always intersted in cases like this from rags to richeness most sufferings sudden down fall etc etc so that we can learn and enjoy this science> > > > with my kind regards > > > > > > sairaman> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wed, 3 March, 2010 6:58:59 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai> > > >  > > dear sai raman ji and all frnds > > > > first of all let me thank everyone whoever wish me on my re entry into grp ( i am not naming any one specificaly )> > > > Now coming to the chart of this lady > > ++++++++++++ +++++++++ ++> > When u posted for the first time itself the data was wrong and it can b considered as a bad omen(Nimitta) .> > > > when i recvd full details i done a prasna on (2nd of march 2010 ) and lagna was kanya with moon and sat in it and all kendras aflicted which says a sad story > > > > also in her chart we can see that 4th house and 10th house is aflicted and both planets aspecting 7th house ( sat, tho lagna lord it is 12th Lord also ) and they r forming famous agni maruta yoga ( this has discussed in grp b4 in dept and detail)> > also we can see 7th Lord sun and karaka for married life venus is in 8th and debilated .( which explains the problems she has under gone ),also with mandi ( gulika of kerala astrology ) is in 12th house .> > 9th house has moon +merc and jup which shud hav saved the chart as 9th is bagya stan and jup aspect will b a saving grace(as jupiter can aspect all trikonas and when we consider partial dristies the story shud hav been diffrnt ) .> > but it has givn moon lagna more strenght and it has twisted whole chart which made sat +mars in 2/8 axis ,(more over there is dianya parivartana with venus and merc which made dispositer of jup weak and chart become weak )frm Moon sign also the exchnge is not a good one .also her dasa s was not promising with lot of weakness > > > > Now the million dollar question is what is next as u asked ,prashna dont board well for her for coming days and needs to increase iswaranukulya ( even the prashna arooda lagna which got tru kowdies is 8th frm her lagna and moon was transiting in her 8th house frm lagan ----) also jup is in 6th House and all kendras afflicted along with moon > > > > but for remedials measures and such things she is advised to consult a real knowledgeble astrolger who is well versed in ashtamangala prashna and if prashna allows she can get some releif frm all this > > > > i dont hav much time for grp activities rite now> > this is my quick reply and i will write more later > > > > rgrds sunil nair > >  > > ancient_indian_ astrology, senthil nathan jpshelters@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > Sairamji> > >           All 4 pillars(4,7, 10kendras) are afflicted by sat and mars.No benefic aspects.> > > If jup is not aspected(5th) lagna, she would have been a physically challenged.> > > Please correct me if I am wrong.> > > thanks & regards> > > Senthil> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, sairam nat sairaman53@ .. wrote:> > > > > > sairam nat sairaman53@ ..> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete 232010 ... sai> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 8:19 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for members for responding> > >  > > > the birth details pls note 14 th october 1958    4 00 PM TANJAVUR     NAVAMSA LAGNA> > >  > > > is rishbha> > >  > > >  > > > so pls go through and find the reasons for so much suffering in life for this pathetic lady> > >  > > >  > > > here i find again no self efforts or parihara helps at this fag end of her life> > >  > > > further what good  and best the kethu in  2nd house in kalapurusha 12th house can do to this native in the incoming periods as dasa> > >  > > > prime of marital life is lost> > >  > > > charm lost in bringing the children> > >  > > > now high sugar and bad health in this 52 years> > > imagine how cruel the planets and lagna can be> > >  > > >  > > > i always feel about others with some slight discomforts in life how planets and god has blessed them> > >  > > > this lady always asking me whether my husband come back  and join with me whether my childredn come up before i die whether my children get good jobs and when i will be financially comfortable what is the pariharas she weeps (two sons)> > >  > > > however i have no positive answers to the above lamentations> > >  > > >  > > > it is karma execution> > >  > > > with high regards with our group members> > >  > > > sairaman> > >  > > >  > > >  > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete in life ... sai> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 4:19 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nairji,> > >  > > > Let us have an online welcome party to celebrate your presence.> > > Your grace was missed here.> > >  > > > Thanks & Regards> > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/3/10, CP <nanna_id2006@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > CP <nanna_id2006@ >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: suffering complete in life ... sai> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tuesday, 2 March, 2010, 1:52 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Shri Sunil Nair Ji,> > > > > > Glad to see you back here honestly just few days back i was remembering you!.....> > > > > > Hope to read and learn more from your valuable posts...now once again. Probably after the Jup's Cumbustion is over??...... .:-)> > > > > > With regards and best wishes> > > > > > Chandu2Chill> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear respected sai raman ji> > > >> > > > Namaskar> > > >> > > > The data provided seems to b doubtful .pls re check and let us discuss it.Pls post full details with time of birth or rising degree of lagana or navamsa lagna> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear members,> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > >> > > > > recently i came across a native woman ÃÆ'‚ andÃÆ'‚ suffering is so deep in every sense for long years> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > 14 9 1958 tanjavur with kumba lagna kethu in2nd houseÃÆ'‚ mars ÃÆ'‚ in 4th venus raghu sun in eighth house jupiter mercury moon in 9th and in 10th saturnÃÆ'‚ raghu star swathi> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > husband left family merged with another woman> > > > > just after birth of son coming going torturing> > > > > then 2nd child> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > now both sons are grown well educated no job no income extreme financial strain> > > >> > > > helped by old parenets sisters and one brother> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > all t the more now high sugar leading to kidney trouble> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > many explanations can be given to this horoscope for this condition> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > however i observed this point mayÃÆ'‚ be some ÃÆ'‚ membersÃÆ'‚ are already aware of this combination so they ÃÆ'‚ can ignore otherwise cantake note of thisÃÆ'‚ > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > kethu is ahead of lagnaÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ from 2nd house and mars in 4th house so all planets leading towards kethu and mars is chasing them from fourth house> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > mercury dasa now with saturn bukthi> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > moon willÃÆ'‚ conduct ÃÆ'‚ the dasa from 10th house mercury star kettai and it is the 8th of zodiac sign and 10th of lagna so 10/8> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > so couldnot be happy with husband> > > children health everthing in life miserable> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > however god has given good colour and personalityÃÆ'‚ neatnessÃÆ'‚ to this woman to weep allthrough life> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > as i felt very very bad and was searchingÃÆ'‚ for and this new idea that all are between dreaded malefic planets kethu and mars> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > if lagna also is caught inthe trap of malefics no escape whatever pariharaÃÆ'‚ self efforts produces no results> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > financial also heavy loss son went aborad for job after spendingÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ RS 50000 loan came back within a month due to poor health> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > expected to turn worst in in ayus longivity ÃÆ'‚ also by march to may 2010ÃÆ'‚ during mercury saturn marsÃÆ'‚ > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ in this hors. kethu moving towards> > > lagna all others leading towards kethu entire lagna and other planets hemmed betwen kethuand mars> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Sairaman> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > >> > > > > --- On Sun, 28/2/10, Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vishnu Mohan <vishnumohanalj@ >> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Sunday, 28 February, 2010, 11:01 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear bhaskarji> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Everybody born on this earth is different.> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks and best wishes> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > vishnu> > > > >> > > > > --- On Sun, 2/28/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Sunday, February 28, 2010, 4:54 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Vishnu Mohan ji,> > > > >> > > > > Day before yesterday, I wanted to get a match making done from one> > > > > Pundit in Bikaner. I called him up, and my first sentence to him was "> > > > > JaiShriKrishna, I am Bhaskar Jyotish from Bombay. How much you charge> > > > > for Match making normally". He mentioned his price and after listening> > > > > to it, you> > > know what I replied him ? I told him "I will not pay you what> > > > > you are asking but will pay you 5 times more. Please give me your Bank> > > > > account Numbers and I will call you tomorrow. " He sent me an sms of his> > > > > Bank account Numbers and next day I called him to tell him that the Bank> > > > > at Bombay say that his account number is not right, and I have arranged> > > > > somebody to personally hand him the money in Bikaner itself who should> > > > > come to his place within half an hour. This good man said "Its okay. Let> > > > > your man come whenever he can. In the meanwhile I have already studied> > > > > the charts.....etc. "> > > > >> > > > > That is the way to approach astrologers and the kind of such people.> > > > >> > > > > You do not like to pay Donation as Fees, is your problem. They have not> > > > > forced you to approach them.> > > > >> > > > >> > > regards,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Vishnu Mohan> > > > > <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > > > > You had a good experience,you shared it here.> > > > > > I brought forward a bad experience of my friend ,thats it.I didnt know> > > > > who Karve yogi or Pinky karve is as i have not met them.So i dont need> > > > > to badmouth anybody nor thats my intention.> > > > > > I came to know Karve Yogi is a good person only through you.> > > > > > There are various astrologers who charge fee for birth time> > > > > rectifications cum astrology but they are very clear about the fees and> > > > > they dont call it donation.> > > > > > For me if they had call it a fee of Rs.1500 or 10000, ÃÆ'Æ'‚ i wouldnt> > > > > mind ,but i dont entertain anybody who call fee as> > > donation Just like> > > > > what the schools,colleges too.> > > > > > By the way i have written nothing about Yogi Karve,who is said to be> > > > > not attached to money> > > > > > By the way, i know how to rectify Birth time myself and i have learnt> > > > > without losing much sleep .Just that i want to double check with> > > > > somebody who is said to be able to do it with supernatural powers so> > > > > that element of human error is not involved.> > > > > > For me fee is different and donation is different.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and best wishes> > > > > > vishnu> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/27/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Destiny!! -Yogi karve> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > >> > > > Saturday, February 27, 2010, 4:10 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vishnu ji,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > In fact she has asked you a very less amount and am ashamed that she> > > > > >> > > > > > asked you a less amount. Whether you consider it as a fee or a> > > > > donation,> > > > > >> > > > > > but you are not the person who is going to "Decide". It is their> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > prerogative. In fact one must not go to Astrologers too without any> > > > > >> > > > > > offerings.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Intentions of marrying after the "Suhaag raat" is not the right> > > > > >> > > > > > intention my Dear. Its people like you who spoil the face of India, by> > > > > >> > > > > > expecting too much for free.....> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > One should have a strong spinal chord, a sense of manliness, a sense> > > > > of> > > > > >> > > > > > culture heritage, a sense of some educational upbringing, before one> > > > > >> > > > > > approaches. To ask for "Free" is a shame for any Indian . But yet we> > > > > see> > > > > >> > > > > > this happenning all around and everytime. This is the reason I did not> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > give you the phone number before, and dont give it to any Tom Dick and> > > > > >> > > > > > Harry, for I know how people want to grab from others like boneless> > > > > >> > > > > > vegetables and parasites. We have lost our bearings unfortunately.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Rs.1500 is not a huge sum. You expected the Yogi to ask you Rs.11- ?> > > > > Or> > > > > >> > > > > > did you wish to offer them Rs.21- as per your intentions after the> > > > > >> > > > > > predictions was made ? These people understand how they are being> > > > > taken> > > > > >> > > > > > for a ride by people like you, and am happy that they have started> > > > > >> > > > > > asking for donations. People like you have taken much advantage of> > > > > Yogi> > > > > >> > > > > > Karveji and his family has suffered a> > > lot due to lack of comforts> > > > > >> > > > > > purchasable by money. Birth rectification is not an ordinary matter.> > > > > One> > > > > >> > > > > > has to study a lot. Practise. Learn the various formulaes. Spend time.> > > > > >> > > > > > Forego sleep and comforts. Its a long process when one ultimately> > > > > learns> > > > > >> > > > > > to do so. And then finally carry the rinabandhan of the native for> > > > > whom> > > > > >> > > > > > one does so... All this for petty money ?> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > And next time do not walk into a salon for a haircut, with only Rs.5-> > > > > in> > > > > >> > > > > > pocket. If one cannot afford then dont go there, and dont cry> > > > > afterwards> > > > > >> > > > > > if you cannot afford their fees, and do not bad mouth good people> > > >> > > > behind> > > > > >> > > > > > their backs.....> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Any cultured person if approaching an astrologer on phone for> > > > > >> > > > > > predictions must in the first sentence itself make it clear that he> > > > > >> > > > > > wants to pay, and how the payment must be sent, and that he would call> > > > > >> > > > > > back after the payment is made...> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > The moment someone says "I want this " and does not reciprocate what> > > > > he> > > > > >> > > > > > receives in any cash or kind , that moment "Buddhi, Shree, Lajja,> > > > > >> > > > > > Shanti, Keerti" these 5 Devatas leave the body and walk away....> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vishnu"> > > > > >> > > > > > <vishnumohanalj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sooraj ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Actually me and my friend tried to contact Daughter of Yogi Karve.My> > > > > >> > > > > > friend was able to talk to her and he had told her that his birth time> > > > > >> > > > > > is doubtful.She told him that he is required to pay 1500 rs as> > > > > donation> > > > > >> > > > > > for birth time rectification and if he agrees to it ,she will> > > > > proceed.My> > > > > >> > > > > > friend said he cannot afford Rs.1500 though he had intentions to> > > > >> > > donate> > > > > >> > > > > > some amount of money after the prediction and this seemed like a fee> > > > > and> > > > > >> > > > > > not a donation.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > I am confused now and i am reconsidering my idea to talk to her.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Though it is unfair on my part to expect a free service,still i feel> > > > > i> > > > > >> > > > > > cant afford to pay a huge sum.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > lets see how it goes for me.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > vishnu> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "surajyg"> > > > > >> > > > > > jyothikasooraj@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Vishnu> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Also,I think even the best can make mistakes.The person who told> > > > > me> > > > > >> > > > > > about Yogi Karve and princess Dianas episode also said that he has> > > > > seen> > > > > >> > > > > > some predictions go way off.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sooraj> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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