Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?-no priority only application

March 20, 2010

Dear Dev JI,

I knew that and hence my answer was like that......simple words (words

do not have 'Jaan') are not sufficient to convey same...have started to

make you think and get answer yourself even i can give you straight

answer.....but that would not help much...

when People have consciousness level same as Arjun then Master can act

as Krushna.....when consciousness degrade then for such People Master

have to act same as Buddha(Mitraiye)....

I can appreciate your question.....there is nothing wrong to have

Question (Rather People are not asking Questions).....but my answer

will definitely not help you to get answer rather they are to create

trouble for you much.....unless you make clear Image/Picture which is

source for Brain to work occult Science requires station/receiver ...In

a way i have helped you much so your brain can generate More doubts on

yourself....and clear older image or add new image...

//It is about preference and which has more scientific base.//

Do not think about preference that is absurd and there is nothing

called as 'more scientific'...more and less terms can not be

used....either Both works or anyone will not works....Practice makes

difference ...

you know Arjuna all doubts are get removed only after DARSHAN of

krushna though krushna delivered a lot dialogs

Live your questions it takes time but one day it appear that anyone

technique or Head/Palm Reading ...without technique (Later) ...one can

predict Not Mystery It is like One is on Ground and Another is on Tree

and say Some one may come in you Home after 10 min ......

-Today I am leaving station for 20 days so can not answer any more

questions.....

P.S.yes i taken care not to make post Personal even if it hurt to

anybody please pardon me...

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Regards,

Devisingh

axeplex wrote:

Devisinghji,

We are not discussing whether predictions come true from horary or not.

This discussion is bit different. It is about preference and which has

more scientific base.

regds

Dev

,

devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:

>

> Dear Dev JI,

>

> //There is a significance since no one else is born with exact

planetary

> references that were existing at the time of birth of a native.//

> I think this has to be suspected more......helping you if you

really

> want to get essence of system....

>

> Why any system came in picture (whoever Made this)...Cause for any

> system.....Jyotish Foundation is different....one can predict

very well

> without getting such Constructions Information

> Astrology present till date from unknown start date very older

times and

> works for People of any Age....All Techniques will works for

Predictions

> (whatever it is)

>

> --Prediction has no relation with any Particular Single Technique

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> axeplex wrote:

> >

> > Sunilji,

> >

> > Leaving blah blah aside, last time you only advised, so I am

not

> > getting distracted what you wrote in the middle. In fact, I

skipped

> > that part while reading.

> >

> > Birth chart is based on when native is born. Yearly chart is

based

> > again related to native birth details and transit charts are

the

> > existing references that would be applied on the native

chart. There

> > is a significance since no one else is born with exact

planetary

> > references that were existing at the time of birth of a

native.

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > <%40>,

"Sunil"

> > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear dev Ji

> > >

> > > u wrote

> > > -

> > > (If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am

anyday willing

> > > to learn))

> > >

> > > Pls stick to the norms of discussion ,i was expecting u

to explain

> > > first what is the basis of natal chart as per our

agreement .As i know

> > > once if u able to say that fact then u urself will hav

answers for the

> > > discussions under tread which we r doing in grp .Here it

is immaterial

> > > for me who supports me or who said what 'cause

astrological thoughts

> > > which laid foundations for astro basics cannot b

determined by vote of

> > > counting .So dont Look for shoulders to fire on somebody

and keep

> > > firing stght .

> > >

> > > Again u r saying Horary is using of simple transit chart

blah blah

> > > ,if so then what is birth chart ??can u illuminate me

>R we like ravan

> > > Ji has power to command planets to sit in purticular

house s ( during

> > > the birth of his son IndraJit ) for a birth chart ??

> > >

> > > I expect ppl of ur stature to pr0nounce theories and

dictums or

> > > sidhantha s in grp discussions only what u digested (

assimilated and

> > > find it is working which u find over a period of time )

than what is

> > > not digested and just vomiting around everything what

ever comes in mind

> > > or what ever u read in net and grps in the name of

astrology

> > > and discussions ( sorry to say this way -after lot of

time waisting i

> > > still find u hav eagerness to Know ( i dont know if it

for learning )

> > > but no humbleness to ask plainly which is required for a

Jyothishi or

> > > student and ur ego is not allowing u to do so too .

> > >

> > > What i should or some body should understand frm the

above statemnt of

> > > ur s --is it horary astrology is my invention and i am

doing some crime

> > > by propogating it and it dont hav any scientific (

sastraic )basis ) ??

> > >

> > > so pls strt explaining why we shud use Birthcharts for

seeing the

> > > future of a Human being ( let us forget other Living and

non Living

> > > entities at present )and its basis ,what is its

philosophical ,religious

> > > ,dharmic basis ?? can U explain How the so called birth

chart can

> > > influence a person tru out his life according to ur own

understanding.

> > >

> > > rgrds sunil nair

> > >

> > <%40>,

"axeplex" <axeplex@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your advice Sunilji.

> > > > As I have understood "Except that when native

visits you, I can not

> > > relate anything logically to Horary chart". If there is

something

> > > scientific, it seems more of using present transits or

similar terms and

> > > applying yearly chart to natal chart. But yes, for some

questions like

> > > (as Kursija ji wrote) who would win the match, shall I

get my money

> > > back, horary holds upper hand due to its easy

application.

> > > >

> > > > If you have some scientific explanation of horary,

I am anyday willing

> > > to learn.

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > <%40>,

"Sunil"

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Dev JI

> > > > >

> > > > > We can discuss in grps abt anything

acdemicaly, provided we r

> > > here for

> > > > > sharing exprnces/knowledge ,at times when some

body knows some

> > > thing

> > > > > for sure -as good as Lines in his hand he may

b stubborn and dont

> > > think

> > > > > that it is some sort of dry argumnt or

arguemnt due to some ego or

> > > > > idealism

> > > > >

> > > > > u asked me in prvt and in grp the scientific

basis of prashna

> > > astrology

> > > > > and u the No-1 in argeing that prashna is

nothing but natal chart

> > > > > prevails .how this both will tally ( what i

said was in case of

> > > results

> > > > > of both diffrs then go by prashna than Natal

chart again that is

> > > > > traditional prashna mostly- it is where

astrologers devine grace and

> > > > > blessings frm guru and dharma devata s help

him )

> > > > >

> > > > > so if u control urself and come to real mode

of discussions then i

> > > dont

> > > > > think any one will try to hamper ur discussions

> > > > >

> > > > > i used to get many mails frm Kaul camps

,science of astrology

> > > (actualy

> > > > > they want reply in modern physical science

terms than astrology

> > > itself

> > > > > is a sastra of its own ) camps ,and even frm

self declared Blessed

> > > by

> > > > > Ma or this or that camps and persons himself

who thinks they hav

> > > right

> > > > > to demolish everything .i used to ignore all

this mails due to

> > > personal

> > > > > problems and commitments .

> > > > >

> > > > > some one frm last 5 months is senting me a grp

CC mail that he

> > > decoded

> > > > > swami vivekanda chart and all the other gurus

are farce and he is

> > > the

> > > > > one selected by Ma as saviour of astrology

..And he has many

> > > undigested (

> > > > > he himself dont know how to appy it ) theorems

..even he mentions my

> > > > > name many times in various grps who dont dare

to argue with him

> > > > >

> > > > > so in net world all this is possible .

> > > > >

> > > > > if u r in for proper discussions where all of

us can learn or

> > > > > upgrade/update our understanding and Knowledge

,then i dont think

> > > there

> > > > > will b distractions ,even if any pls learn to

ignore it

> > > > >

> > > > > so in the Long run u will find that it was all

nothing if u r

> > > serious

> > > > > abt ur approach in grp discussions ( it shud

not b Like declarations

> > > > > that narayana dasa is superior and i can show

u and then vanish )

> > > > >

> > > > > so all the best for u and let us strt

discussing

> > > > >

> > > > > due to my time limit many days i may not reply

u but there is so

> > > many

> > > > > memebrs in our forum and they will also b

guiding us

> > > > >

> > > > > with rgrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > <%40>,

"axeplex"

> > > <axeplex@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunilji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with

you, but since you have

> > > > > raised the issue :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt

( many times ) and even

> > > in

> > > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific

basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we

must use a birth time as

> > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a

purticular person as it

> > > will

> > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have

written my name, there is

> > > no

> > > > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but

to make it a healthy

> > > > > discussion, memebers would not come with

comments like "hair

> > > cutting",

> > > > > "hair stylists" etc. At least, I don't think

this group is a hair

> > > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall

we discuss privately

> > > on

> > > > > your mail id.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My responses may take time....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regds

> > > > > > Dev

> > > > > >

> > <%40>,

"Sunil"

> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaskar and pranams

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write

up

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for

the whole l grp and not as

> > > a

> > > > > reply

> > > > > > > to u only and nothing personal in

intented here -so pardon me in

> > > > > case of

> > > > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i

know u r such a good person

> > > )

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our

frnds in grp ) was this ---

> > > when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs

in results what we wil

> > > take ??

> > > > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are many methods in varahi (

varahahora ,dasadhyayi etc )

> > > and

> > > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime

by observing omens ,the

> > > events

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > tallying with the events happening

happend during the time of

> > > birth

> > > > > (

> > > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is

known as prasutika adyaya )

> > > .So

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > question of correctness of birth

chart is not a problem for old

> > > > > learned

> > > > > > > pundits .even they will tell how

many Lamps where used ,how many

> > > > > > > midwifes present their age

,appearance and dress etc to the oil

> > > > > consumed

> > > > > > > and its nature ,the direction of

prasutika graha ( the delivery

> > > room

> > > > > etc

> > > > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then

there is Tatwa -antar tawa

> > > methods

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning

,so even if reported birth

> > > time

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking

some questions .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in

diffrnt places like under a

> > > tree or

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But Here we must understand the

prashna employed in kerala is

> > > not

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly

prashna used in rising sign or

> > > udaya

> > > > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many

astrologers which rising sign

> > > will

> > > > > b 2

> > > > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can

see they r groping in dark

> > > and

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a

numbr or in case of emergency

> > > the

> > > > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i

can say this method has

> > > more

> > > > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is

more able and efficient

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know

being a keralite has various

> > > > > methods

> > > > > > > and application and implications

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and

brought up in temple town of

> > > > > culture

> > > > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very

well aware of this

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who

nevr consults any chart but

> > > they

> > > > > > > just giv out results including what

for u came and its future

> > > effect

> > > > > > > ,results and in case of any

hindrance to ur problems they

> > > prescribe

> > > > > > > remedies too all within a span of

max 30 minits .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > once i was attenting a house warming

ceremony in delhi .one man

> > > > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala

and a astrologer .i said yes

> > > > > ,then

> > > > > > > he described an event what happened

in his life

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his

wife also ) and he went to

> > > attent

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > official function of doctors in

kerala ,calicut as he was office

> > > > > bearer

> > > > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn (

i think indian medical

> > > > > assossiation

> > > > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor

frnd and that frnd is a nativ

> > > of

> > > > > > > kerala .after the function over his

frnd told him that he need

> > > to

> > > > > > > consult one astrologer and this

sardarji said u can go ahead and

> > > i

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas

..then on insistance of the frnd

> > > > > doctor

> > > > > > > he also went along and after the

consultancy over the frnd asked

> > > him

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > consult this astrologer in case u

hav any questions .He was not

> > > > > willing

> > > > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a

trial but he was not having

> > > any

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > details accurate or even he dont

know the position of moon or

> > > moon

> > > > > sign

> > > > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he

knows only the day of birth

> > > of

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > kids .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So he said to astrologer that i

wanted to know future of My

> > > eldest

> > > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The astrologer just with the help of

cowdies told him that u

> > > > > wanted to

> > > > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist

and she also wanted to b so

> > > ,but

> > > > > she

> > > > > > > will become a doctor specialising in

Gynacology .and mind it

> > > those

> > > > > days

> > > > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th

,and after she got into MBBS

> > > when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > need of specialisation came she cud

not got into the purticular

> > > > > stream

> > > > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > all this prediction came true and

Now the Doctor is worrying why

> > > did

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of

Life

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But after all this yrs the old

astrologer is No more

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna

<kowri prashna , Tamboola

> > > prashna

> > > > > etc

> > > > > > > etc which is not practised in many

other parts of india and may

> > > b in

> > > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such

astrologers rarely .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so we must understand that all

prashna need not b for a

> > > purticular

> > > > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp

ashta mangala prashna ) they r

> > > > > > > conducting in some places annualy to

know complete well being of

> > > a

> > > > > > > family .here also astrologers dont

bother to consult any Birth

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > > individualy but declare results

independently for each memebr in

> > > > > family

> > > > > > > and we know during the time of Joint

families there may b 100 to

> > > 300

> > > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu

families .( I read in some Mag

> > > in a

> > > > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji

that shri KN rao Ji conducted

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for

almost 7 days ( a single

> > > prashna

> > > > > )

> > > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person

attented in the prashna and

> > > the

> > > > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud

able to pin point many of

> > > the

> > > > > events

> > > > > > > very well in advance even without

Knowing or asking the details

> > > he

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in

doing such prashna there will b

> > > 2

> > > > > grps

> > > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the

prashna and other who is

> > > > > arguing

> > > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b

quoting with pramana 's and

> > > hora s

> > > > > --

> > > > > > > Not the usual net forum style

of announcing i blv this or

> > > i

> > > > > > > invented this -here in some

net forums when we ask abt

> > > > > efficacy

> > > > > > > of the methods some one pushing (

even the the so called

> > > moderators

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and

they will try to brand u as

> > > > > trouble

> > > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in

kerala it is part of tradition

> > > .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in

prvt ( many times ) and even

> > > in

> > > > > grp

> > > > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of

prashna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific

basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and

why we must use a birth

> > > time as

> > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future

of a purticular person as it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > only leads to further healthy

discussion .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i hav so many things to write but

due to lack of time ,let me

> > > > > conclud

> > > > > > > here

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks and with regrds

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sunil nair

> > > > > > >

> > <%40>,

venkatachala

> > > pathi

> > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise

named as 'Horary' astrology) is

> > > > > primarily

> > > > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology

to find outÂ the events

> > > in

> > > > > one's

> > > > > > > life or to know in advance the

result of one's attempts or

> > > action,

> > > > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of

events and resultes of

> > > Natal's

> > > > > > > reaction, which could be minute and

exact, to arrive at the

> > > > > 'results'

> > > > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in

general.Â In Indian school

> > > of

> > > > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was

practiced even before Standard

> > > Time

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There

were and are errors in

> > > giving

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > correct time of birth of a child by

the attendants, while a few

> > > give

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - timeÂ of

appearance ofÂ head

> > > or

> > > > > part

> > > > > > > of body. A few note the time of

whole body of the child is

> > > removed

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > that of the mother. Differences do

exist between the time given

> > > by a

> > > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me

that she was told by her

> > > mother

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > she was born when the milk man came

to deliver milk in theÂ

> > > > > > > > morning!!). InÂ such cases an

astrologer cannot relay on

> > > the

> > > > > > > correct time 'given' to him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Whenever twinsÂ are born the

time difference to 'second'

> > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > important to studyÂ the birth chart

of both children, as few

> > > > > > > minutesÂ close to each other, could

deliver 'Eka- pinda'

> > > -Â

> > > > > > > together with connected limbs. At

same time, the position ofÂ

> > > > > Planets

> > > > > > > in both Birth charts of kids areÂ

not changed. There you will

> > > > > note

> > > > > > > 'predictive side' of chartsÂ mostlyÂ

become complecated as

> > > 'at

> > > > > > > face' become same.Â It is not so

when you actually 'thread'

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana

astrology, to 'trace' a

> > > > > perticular

> > > > > > > event for one of the children,

become handy for an Astrologer to

> > > > > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event.

This method will 'shorten'

> > > to

> > > > > arrive

> > > > > > > at correct 'deduction' onÂ 'event,

as compared to time

> > > consuming

> > > > > > > analysis under Dasha system.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master

this method taking the moment

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > judgement, toÂ correct the subtle

difference in the birth

> > > charts,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > predict result also with amazing

accuracy. The methods are

> > > simple

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > could help an Astrologer become more

confident in months and

> > > years

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > practice to arrive at right

results.Â Say, this could help

> > > to

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a

house'Â more nearÂ to

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > date, than looking through

calculations under half-a- dozen

> > > > > acceptedÂ

> > > > > > > Dasha Methods.Â Similarly, this

helps to arrive atÂ

> > > possible

> > > > > date

> > > > > > > of marriage orÂ of aÂ child birth or

success in an

> > > Election

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > more practicalÂ and immediate events

for whichÂ instant

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > are required.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made

available by great Astrologer

> > > Guru

> > > > > > > ShriÂ Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology

had taken many

> > > Astrologers

> > > > > near

> > > > > > > to correct predictionsÂ for solvingÂ

subtle 'event

> > > questions'

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > accurate solutions.Â Further, great

experts exist and

> > > practice

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries

in this method of

> > > Astrology.

> > > > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base

and route to correct

> > > > > 'Predictive

> > > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packedÂ

with a large space of

> > > hues,

> > > > > while

> > > > > > > Horaray astrology reduceÂ such space.

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi,Â Â

> > > > > > > > Astrologer,

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010

8:20:36 PM

> > > > > > > > Re:

Re: Jataka and Prashna

> > > -

> > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,

> > > > > > > > Your comments are of an

experienced person.

> > > > > > > > Here i would like to add that;

> > > > > > > > I think initiating a discussion

on some topic; on a public

> > > forum

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > aÂ privilege of every member butÂ

ending the discussion on

> > > the

> > > > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > > > > > > > So until and unless some

conclusion is reached at;- the topic

> > > > > remains

> > > > > > > open for deliberations as such,

members are free to stopÂ

> > > their

> > > > > > > observations but dictates to end

discussions without conclusion

> > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensibleÂ group.

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45

PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija (AT) (DOT)

> > > > > com>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,

> > > > > > > > >I happened to read the

dicussion on Natal and Horary chart

> > > today.

> > > > > > > Though the discusion has been over

still I like to submit that

> > > the

> > > > > natal

> > > > > > > char is for the whole life of the

native and Hoaray chart is for

> > > the

> > > > > > > particular question only. It can not

discuss the whole life of

> > > the

> > > > > > > native.

> > > > > > > > >Secondly the horary char

has imprtance over Nastal char in

> > > some

> > > > > > > sphere such as who will win?Â When I

receive the guest? When

> > > my

> > > > > > > servant will come back? etc.

> > > > > > > > >RegardsÂ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10,

axeplex axeplex > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>axeplex

axeplex >

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>Subject:

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna

> > > -

> > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_

astrology

> > > > > > > > >>Saturday, March

13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>Â

> > > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>I am practical. But

this is not written by me but written in

> > > > > Prashna

> > > > > > > Marg. And I just presented the

stanzas. There are two thoughts

> > > or

> > > > > ways:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>1. Be practical but

then you can not close your eyes and

> > > accept

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > is written in a book. And in this

case, one can not come back

> > > with

> > > > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is

written in Prashna marg that

> > > > > horoary

> > > > > > > astrology needs to be kept above

natal chart.

> > > > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your

ideals and what book says.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>Both types of people

exist and are requird to run this

> > > society.

> > > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already

closed this discussion, so expect the

> > > same

> > > > > > > from you.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>regds

> > > > > > > > >>Dev

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_

astrology,

> > > "Lalkitab"

> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be

Practical, Why would a person with such

> > > > > capabilities

> > > > > > > waste his time in analyzing

horoscopes for others.

> > > > > > > > >>> Instead any person

who attains such a stage would pursue

> > > his

> > > > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.

> > > > > > > > >>> For exceptions you

will have to study the procedure of

> > > being a

> > > > > > > Tirthankar.

> > > > > > > > >>> Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> --- In

ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > "axeplex"

> > > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Whatever you

have written, I personally agree from point

> > > of

> > > > > view

> > > > > > > of native. Good and thanks for

bringing this. I really mean it.

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > I thought you

are referring to Prashna Marg, here are

> > > slokas

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last

sentence of sloka 18):

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15.

âEUR" That person, who has mastery of this

> > > > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of

mathematics who leads a

> > > > > religious

> > > > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free

from conceit and who is well

> > > > > versed

> > > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras,

he alone can be called a

> > > > > Daivajnya or

> > > > > > > seer.

> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16.

âEUR" All the predictions made by such a

> > > person

> > > > > > > will come true and will never be

false. The learned support this

> > > > > > > statement.

> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18.

âEUR" He who has acquired a thorough

> > > knowledge

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept

in the five siddhantas, who

> > > has

> > > > > > > inferential ability and who is

initiated into a secret mantra by

> > > a

> > > > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let

us leave this discussion. Already had

> > > enough.

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Dev

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > --- In

ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > Kulbir

> > > > > Bains

> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Dear

Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the

> > > > > spirit,

> > > > > > > whenever the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > divine

scheme considers that the individual should get

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > guidance,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Prashna

comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Nothing

to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir

bains.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > On Fri,

Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But

> > > when it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > KP Horary,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I

> > > know)(You

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > refer to KP

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

scholoars what they have to say)

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > In

KP horary, a number is chosen by native that

> > > fixes

> > > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

significators of an event are chosen from this

> > > chart.

> > > > > Then

> > > > > > > Ruling planets

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > are

taken from the normal chart of that time (not

> > > native

> > > > > > > chart). Common

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari

> > > Dasa

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > studied, a period

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > is

chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then

> > > > > within

> > > > > > > that period,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

transits are seen to time the events.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > But

in any case, I would not be the best person to

> > > > > comment

> > > > > > > on KP and you

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

need to cross check it.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

Yes, divine power association for prasna can be

> > > > > understood

> > > > > > > but "Aj de taim

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne.

> > > Te

> > > > > kinne

> > > > > > > astrloger ne

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar

> > > samhita)

> > > > > jeende

> > > > > > > ne)

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dev

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > ---

In ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_

astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount

> > > > > importance

> > > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > planetary

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > me if i am wrong.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by

> > > something

> > > > > > > divine.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka

> > > and

> > > > > > > Prashna - Priority to

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

which, when and why?

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_

astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Ã,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Sreenadhji,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg

> > > prefers

> > > > > horary

> > > > > > > but what is

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > the

logic behind it? What is scientific basis of

> > > this?

> > > > > This

> > > > > > > is my question.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > it, then person

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > has

to be equally spiritual. And how many of such

> > > people

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > there in this

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

world?

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> regds

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Dev

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > com,

> > > > > > > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to

> > > point

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > is one of the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs

> > > > > PRASHNA

> > > > > > > should be given

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart -

> > > i.e.

> > > > > > > Jataka)!

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and

> > > that

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > one of the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna

> > > > > marga

> > > > > > > stands - and

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > numerous scholars miss this very important

> > > advice

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > by Prashna

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there

> > > is

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > good scope for

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > informative discussion, if someone try to

> > > address

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > question - "WHY

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is

> > > > > available in

> > > > > > > Prashnamarga

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > itself).

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the

> > > > > > > intricate pointers

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > based on traditional astrology and knowledge

> > > Sunil

> > > > > ji

> > > > > > > provides.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > com,

> > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > Sir, a wild guess;//ÃfâEURs( the period is

> > > bad

> > > > > > > according to birthchart

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > //prashna ÃfâEURs( revealed the period is

> > > > > > > bestÃfâEURs( //

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and

> > > > > prashana

> > > > > > > ÃfâEURs( indications

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > are correct.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

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> > >

> >

>

March 20, 2010

Even as my knowledge goes, Arjuna forgot the message even after darshana from Lord Krishna and had to do "tapasya" once again after the war to attain "tattva gyan".

Nothing personal in it.

regards,

Mouji Ram

devisigh <devisingh.rajput Sent: Sat, March 20, 2010 3:13:53 AMRe: Re: Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?-no priority only application

Dear Dev JI,I knew that and hence my answer was like that......simple words (words do not have 'Jaan') are not sufficient to convey same...have started to make you think and get answer yourself even i can give you straight answer.....but that would not help much...when People have consciousness level same as Arjun then Master can act as Krushna..... when consciousness degrade then for such People Master have to act same as Buddha(Mitraiye) ....I can appreciate your question.... .there is nothing wrong to have Question (Rather People are not asking Questions).. ...but my answer will definitely not help you to get answer rather they are to create trouble for you much.....unless you make clear Image/Picture which is source for Brain to work occult Science requires station/receiver ...In a way i have helped you much so your brain can generate More doubts on yourself.... and clear older image or add new image...//It is about

preference and which has more scientific base.//Do not think about preference that is absurd and there is nothing called as 'more scientific'. ..more and less terms can not be used....either Both works or anyone will not works....Practice makes difference ...you know Arjuna all doubts are get removed only after DARSHAN of krushna though krushna delivered a lot dialogsLive your questions it takes time but one day it appear that anyone technique or Head/Palm Reading ...without technique (Later) ...one can predict Not Mystery It is like One is on Ground and Another is on Tree and say Some one may come in you Home after 10 min ......-Today I am leaving station for 20 days so can not answer any more questions... .. P.S.yes i taken care not to make post Personal even if it hurt to anybody please pardon me...------------ ------ Regards, Devisinghaxeplex wrote:

Devisinghji,We are not discussing whether predictions come true from horary or not. This discussion is bit different. It is about preference and which has more scientific base.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, devisigh <devisingh.rajput@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Dev JI,> > //There is a significance since no one else is born with exact planetary > references that were existing at the time of birth of a native.//> I think this has to be suspected more......helping you if you really > want to get essence of system....> > Why any system came in picture (whoever Made this)...Cause for any > system.....Jyotish Foundation is different... .one can predict very well > without getting

such Constructions Information> Astrology present till date from unknown start date very older times and > works for People of any Age....All Techniques will works for Predictions > (whatever it is)> > --Prediction has no relation with any Particular Single Technique> ------------ ------> Regards,> Devisingh> > > axeplex wrote:> > > >> > Sunilji,> >> > Leaving blah blah aside, last time you only advised, so I am not > > getting distracted what you wrote in the middle. In fact, I skipped > > that part while reading.> >> > Birth chart is based on when native is born. Yearly chart is based > > again related to native birth details and transit charts are the > > existing references that would be applied on the native chart. There > > is a significance since no one

else is born with exact planetary > > references that were existing at the time of birth of a native.> >> > regds> > Dev> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, "Sunil" > > <astro_tellerkerala @> wrote:> > >> > > Dear dev Ji> > >> > > u wrote> > > -> > > (If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday willing> > > to learn))> > >> > > Pls stick to the norms of discussion ,i was expecting u to

explain> > > first what is the basis of natal chart as per our agreement .As i know> > > once if u able to say that fact then u urself will hav answers for the> > > discussions under tread which we r doing in grp .Here it is immaterial> > > for me who supports me or who said what 'cause astrological thoughts> > > which laid foundations for astro basics cannot b determined by vote of> > > counting .So dont Look for shoulders to fire on somebody and keep> > > firing stght .> > >> > > Again u r saying Horary is using of simple transit chart blah blah> > > ,if so then what is birth chart ??can u illuminate me >R we like ravan> > > Ji has power to command planets to sit in purticular house s ( during> > > the birth of his son IndraJit ) for a birth chart ??> > >> > >>

> > I expect ppl of ur stature to pr0nounce theories and dictums or> > > sidhantha s in grp discussions only what u digested ( assimilated and> > > find it is working which u find over a period of time ) than what is> > > not digested and just vomiting around everything what ever comes in mind> > > or what ever u read in net and grps in the name of astrology> > > and discussions ( sorry to say this way -after lot of time waisting i> > > still find u hav eagerness to Know ( i dont know if it for learning )> > > but no humbleness to ask plainly which is required for a Jyothishi or> > > student and ur ego is not allowing u to do so too .> > >> > > What i should or some body should understand frm the above statemnt of> > > ur s --is it horary astrology is my invention and i am doing some crime>

> > by propogating it and it dont hav any scientific ( sastraic )basis ) ??> > >> > > so pls strt explaining why we shud use Birthcharts for seeing the> > > future of a Human being ( let us forget other Living and non Living> > > entities at present )and its basis ,what is its philosophical ,religious> > > ,dharmic basis ?? can U explain How the so called birth chart can> > > influence a person tru out his life according to ur own understanding.> > >> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Thanks for your advice Sunilji.> > > > As I have understood "Except that when native visits you, I can not> > > relate anything logically to Horary chart". If there is something> > > scientific, it seems more of using present transits or similar terms and> > > applying yearly chart to natal chart. But yes, for some questions like> > > (as Kursija ji wrote) who would win the match, shall I get my money> > > back, horary holds upper hand due to its easy application.> > > >> > > > If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday willing> > > to learn.> > > >> > > > regds> > > > Dev>

> > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, "Sunil"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dev JI> > > > >> > > > > We can discuss in grps abt anything acdemicaly, provided we r> > > here for> > > > > sharing exprnces/knowledge ,at times when some body knows some> > > thing> > > > > for sure -as good as Lines in his hand he may b stubborn and dont> > > think> > >

> > that it is some sort of dry argumnt or arguemnt due to some ego or> > > > > idealism> > > > >> > > > > u asked me in prvt and in grp the scientific basis of prashna> > > astrology> > > > > and u the No-1 in argeing that prashna is nothing but natal chart> > > > > prevails .how this both will tally ( what i said was in case of> > > results> > > > > of both diffrs then go by prashna than Natal chart again that is> > > > > traditional prashna mostly- it is where astrologers devine grace and> > > > > blessings frm guru and dharma devata s help him )> > > > >> > > > > so if u control urself and come to real mode of discussions then i> > > dont> > > > > think any one will try to hamper ur

discussions> > > > >> > > > > i used to get many mails frm Kaul camps ,science of astrology> > > (actualy> > > > > they want reply in modern physical science terms than astrology> > > itself> > > > > is a sastra of its own ) camps ,and even frm self declared Blessed> > > by> > > > > Ma or this or that camps and persons himself who thinks they hav> > > right> > > > > to demolish everything .i used to ignore all this mails due to> > > personal> > > > > problems and commitments .> > > > >> > > > > some one frm last 5 months is senting me a grp CC mail that he> > > decoded> > > > > swami vivekanda chart and all the other gurus are farce and he is> > > the> > > >

> one selected by Ma as saviour of astrology .And he has many> > > undigested (> > > > > he himself dont know how to appy it ) theorems .even he mentions my> > > > > name many times in various grps who dont dare to argue with him> > > > >> > > > > so in net world all this is possible .> > > > >> > > > > if u r in for proper discussions where all of us can learn or> > > > > upgrade/update our understanding and Knowledge ,then i dont think> > > there> > > > > will b distractions ,even if any pls learn to ignore it> > > > >> > > > > so in the Long run u will find that it was all nothing if u r> > > serious> > > > > abt ur approach in grp discussions ( it shud not b Like declarations> > > > >

that narayana dasa is superior and i can show u and then vanish )> > > > >> > > > > so all the best for u and let us strt discussing> > > > >> > > > > due to my time limit many days i may not reply u but there is so> > > many> > > > > memebrs in our forum and they will also b guiding us> > > > >> > > > > with rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, "axeplex"> > > <axeplex@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since you have> > > > > raised the issue :> > > > > >> > > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even> > > in> > > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-> > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth time as> > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it> > >

will> > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name, there is> > > no> > > > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a healthy> > > > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like "hair> > > cutting",> > > > > "hair stylists" etc. At least, I don't think this group is a hair> > > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss privately> > > on> > > > > your mail id.> > > > > >> > > > > > My responses may take time....> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > >

>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, "Sunil"> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Namaskar and pranams> > > > > > >> > > > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up> > > > > > >> > > > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for

the whole l grp and not as> > > a> > > > > reply> > > > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so pardon me in> > > > > case of> > > > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good person> > > )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this ---> > > when> > > > > the> > > > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil> > > take ??> > > > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi etc )> > > and> > > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime

by observing omens ,the> > > events> > > > > and> > > > > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the time of> > > birth> > > > > (> > > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya )> > > .So> > > > > the> > > > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem for old> > > > > learned> > > > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used ,how many> > > > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to the oil> > > > > consumed> > > > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the delivery> > > room> > > > > etc> > > > > > > )

to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar tawa> > > methods> > > > > and> > > > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported birth> > > time> > > > > is> > > > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like under a> > > tree or> > > > > in> > > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala is> > > not> > > > > the> > > > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign or> > > udaya> > > > > >

> lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising sign> > > will> > > > > b 2> > > > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in dark> > > and> > > > > in> > > > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of emergency> > > the> > > > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method has> > > more> > > > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient> > > > > > >> > > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has various> > > > > methods> > > > > > > and application and implications> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Since u are a keralite and

born and brought up in temple town of> > > > > culture> > > > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart but> > > they> > > > > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its future> > > effect> > > > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they> > > prescribe> > > > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi .one man> > > > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i said yes> > > > > ,then> > > >

> > > he described an event what happened in his life> > > > > > >> > > > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he went to> > > attent> > > > > some> > > > > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he was office> > > > > bearer> > > > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical> > > > > assossiation> > > > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a nativ> > > of> > > > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he need> > > to> > > > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go ahead and> > > i> > > > > dont> > > > >

> > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of the frnd> > > > > doctor> > > > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd asked> > > him> > > > > to> > > > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He was not> > > > > willing> > > > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not having> > > any> > > > > birth> > > > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon or> > > moon> > > > > sign> > > > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of birth> > > of> > > > > his> > > > > > > kids .> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My> > > eldest> > > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him that u> > > > > wanted to> > > > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b so> > > ,but> > > > > she> > > > > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and mind it> > > those> > > > > days> > > > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into MBBS> > > when> > > > > the> > > > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the purticular> > > > >

stream> > > > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac> > > > > > >> > > > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is worrying why> > > did> > > > > not> > > > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola> > > prashna> > > > > etc> > > > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and may> > > b in> > > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a> > > purticular> > > > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) they r> > > > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well being of> > > a> > > > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any Birth> > > > > charts> > > > > > > individualy but declare results independently for each memebr in> > > > > family> > > > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b 100 to> > > 300> > > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some Mag> > > in a> > > > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji conducted> > > > >

such> > > > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single> > > prashna> > > > > )> > > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna and> > > the> > > > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many of> > > the> > > > > events> > > > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the details> > > he> > > > > was> > > > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there will b> > > 2> > > > > grps> > > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other who is> > > > > arguing> > > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with

pramana 's and> > > hora s> > > > > --> > > > > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv this or> > > i> > > > > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt> > > > > efficacy> > > > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called> > > moderators> > > > > are> > > > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to brand u as> > > > > trouble> > > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of tradition> > > .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and even> > > in> > > > > grp> > > > >

> > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > >> > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy -Jataka-> > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth> > > time as> > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person as it> > > > > will> > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time ,let me> > > > > conclud> > > > > > > here> > > > > > >> > > > > > > thanks and with regrds> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sunil nair> > > > >

> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>, venkatachala> > > pathi> > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sirs,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' astrology) is> > > > > primarily> > > > > > >

enshrined in the school of astrology to find outÃ‚ the events> > > in> > > > > one's> > > > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or> > > action,> > > > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of> > > Natal's> > > > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the> > > > > 'results'> > > > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general.Ã‚ In Indian school> > > of> > > > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before Standard> > > Time> > > > > was> > > > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in> > > giving> > > > > the> > > > > >

> correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a few> > > give> > > > > the> > > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - timeÃ‚ of appearance ofÃ‚ head> > > or> > > > > part> > > > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is> > > removed> > > > > from> > > > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time given> > > by a> > > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her> > > mother> > > > > that> > > > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÃ‚> > > > > > > > morning!!). InÃ‚ such cases an astrologer cannot relay on> > > the> > > > > >

> correct time 'given' to him.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. Whenever twinsÃ‚ are born the time difference to 'second'> > > > > becomes> > > > > > > important to studyÃ‚ the birth chart of both children, as few> > > > > > > minutesÃ‚ close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda'> > > -Ã‚> > > > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the position ofÃ‚> > > > > Planets> > > > > > > in both Birth charts of kids areÃ‚ not changed. There you will> > > > > note> > > > > > > 'predictive side' of chartsÃ‚ mostlyÃ‚ become complecated as> > > 'at> > > > > > > face' become same.Ã‚ It is not so when you actually 'thread'> > > > > their>

> > > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a> > > > > perticular> > > > > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an Astrologer to> > > > > > > 'cast'Ã‚ result of a given event. This method will 'shorten'> > > to> > > > > arrive> > > > > > > at correct 'deduction' onÃ‚ 'event, as compared to time> > > consuming> > > > > > > analysis under Dasha system.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the moment> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > judgement, toÃ‚ correct the subtle difference in the birth> > > charts,> > > > > and> > > > > >

> predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are> > > simple> > > > > and> > > > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months and> > > years> > > > > of> > > > > > > practice to arrive at right results.Ã‚ Say, this could help> > > to> > > > > find> > > > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house'Ã‚ more nearÃ‚ to> > > > > correct> > > > > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen> > > > > acceptedÃ‚> > > > > > > Dasha Methods.Ã‚ Similarly, this helps to arrive atÃ‚> > > possible> > > > > date> > > > > > > of marriage orÃ‚ of aÃ‚ child birth or success in an> > >

Election> > > > > and> > > > > > > more practicalÃ‚ and immediate events for whichÃ‚ instant> > > > > results> > > > > > > are required.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great Astrologer> > > Guru> > > > > > > ShriÃ‚ Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many> > > Astrologers> > > > > near> > > > > > > to correct predictionsÃ‚ for solvingÃ‚ subtle 'event> > > questions'> > > > > with> > > > > > > accurate solutions.Ã‚ Further, great experts exist and> > > practice> > > > > with> > > > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of> > >

Astrology.> > > > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct> > > > > 'Predictive> > > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packedÃ‚ with a large space of> > > hues,> > > > > while> > > > > > > Horaray astrology reduceÃ‚ such space.> > > > > > > > Ã‚> > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi,Ã‚ Ã‚> > > > > > > > Astrologer,> > > > > > > > Ã‚> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>> > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna> > > -> > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Ã‚> > > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,> > > > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.> > > > > > > > Here i would like to add

that;> > > > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a public> > > forum> > > > > is> > > > > > > aÃ‚ privilege of every member butÃ‚ ending the discussion on> > > the> > > > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.> > > > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- the topic> > > > > remains> > > > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to stopÃ‚> > > their> > > > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without conclusion> > > > > doesn't> > > > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensibleÃ‚ group.> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. Ã‚ Ã‚> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija (AT) (DOT) > > > > > com>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Ã‚> > > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,> > > > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary chart> > > today.> > > > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit that> > > the> > > > > natal> > > > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray chart is for> > > the> > > > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life of> > > the> > > >

> > > native.> > > > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char in> > > some> > > > > > > sphere such as who will win?Ã‚ When I receive the guest? When> > > my> > > > > > > servant will come back? etc.> > > > > > > > >RegardsÃ‚> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and Prashna> > > -> > > > > > > Priority to

which, when and why?> > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>Ã‚> > > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but written in> > > > > Prashna> > > > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two thoughts> > > or> > > > > ways:> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>1. Be practical but

then you can not close your eyes and> > > accept> > > > > what> > > > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come back> > > with> > > > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg that> > > > > horoary> > > > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.> > > > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this> > > society.> > > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect the> > > same> > > > > > > from you.> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>regds> > > > > > > > >>Dev> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Lalkitab"> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such> > > > > capabilities> > > > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.> > > > > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would pursue> > > his> > > > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.> > > > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the procedure

of> > > being a> > > > > > > Tirthankar.> > > > > > > > >>> Regards> > > > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from point> > > of> > > > > view> > > > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really mean it.> > > > >

> > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here are> > > slokas> > > > > of> > > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. Ã¢EUR" That person, who has mastery of this> > > > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a> > > > > religious> > > > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who is well> > > > > versed> > > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a> > > > > Daivajnya or> > > > > > > seer.> > > > > >

> > >>> > Stanza 16. Ã¢EUR" All the predictions made by such a> > > person> > > > > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned support this> > > > > > > statement.> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. Ã¢EUR" He who has acquired a thorough> > > knowledge> > > > > of> > > > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five siddhantas, who> > > has> > > > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret mantra by> > > a> > > > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had> > > enough.> > >

> > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > Dev> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > Kulbir> > > > > Bains> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the> > > > > spirit,> > > > > > > whenever the> > > > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the

individual should get> > > > > some> > > > > > > guidance,> > > > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.> > > > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.> > > > > > > > >>> > > Regards> > > > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex <axeplex@>> > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >

>>> > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But> > > when it> > > > > is> > > > > > > KP Horary,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I> > > know)(You> > > > > may> > > > > > > refer to KP> > > > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that> > > fixes> > > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this> > > chart.> > > > > Then> > > > > > > Ruling planets> > > > > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time (not> > > native> > > > > > > chart). Common> > > > > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two. Vimshottari> > > Dasa> > > > > is> > > > > > > studied, a period> > > > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then> > > > > within> > > > > > > that period,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.> > >

> > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best person to> > > > > comment> > > > > > > on KP and you> > > > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be> > > > > understood> > > > > > > but "Aj de taim> > > > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde ne.> > > Te> > > > > kinne> > > > > > > astrloger ne> > > > > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala

moral jeevan (aachaar> > > samhita)> > > > > jeende> > > > > > > ne)> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > > com<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount> > > > > importance> > > > > > > to the> >

> > > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to coincide> > > with> > > > > the> > > > > > > planetary> > > > > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly> > > > > correct> > > > > > > me if i am wrong.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by> > > something> > > > > > > divine.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka> > > and> > > > > > > Prashna - Priority to> > > > > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > > com<ancient_ indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM> > > > > > > >

>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > >

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>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg> > > prefers> > > > > horary> > > > > > > but what is> > > > > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific basis of> > > this?> > > > > This> > > > > > > is my question.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated> > > > > with> > > > >

> > it, then person> > > > > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of such> > > people> > > > > are> > > > > > > there in this> > > > > > > > >>> > > > world?> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > regds> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying to> > > point> > > > > to> > > > > > > is one of the> > > > > > > >

>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs> > > > > PRASHNA> > > > > > > should be given> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal chart -> > > i.e.> > > > > > > Jataka)!> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga and> > > that> > >

> > is> > > > > > > one of the> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna> > > > > marga> > > > > > > stands - and> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important> > > advice> > > > > given> > > > > > > by Prashna> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And there> > > is> > > > > very> > > > > > > good scope

for> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to> > > address> > > > > the> > > > > > > question - "WHY> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is> > > > > available in> > > > > > > Prashnamarga> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is

unaware of the> > > > > > > intricate pointers> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and knowledge> > > Sunil> > > > > ji> > > > > > > provides.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//ÃƒfÃ¢EURs( the period is> > > bad> > > > > > > according to birthchart> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > //prashna ÃƒfÃ¢EURs( revealed the period is> > > > > > > bestÃƒfÃ¢EURs( //> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and> > > > > prashana> > > > > > > ÃƒfÃ¢EURs( indications> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > are correct.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > >

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March 20, 2010

Sir,

Complete knowledge includes knowledge of the phenomenal world and the spirit behind it. The source of both of them is transcendental knowledge.

YASMIN VIJANATE SARVAM EVA VIJNATAM BHAVANTI

When the cause of all causes becomes nown, then everything knowable becomes known, and nothing remains unknown.

page 364 BHAGVAT GITA AS IT IS by SWAMI PRABHUPADA.

-- RegardsKulbir Bians

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 3:43 PM, devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:

Dear Dev JI,I knew that and hence my answer was like that......simple words (words do not have 'Jaan') are not sufficient to convey same...have started to make you think and get answer yourself even i can give you straight answer.....but that would not help much...

when People have consciousness level same as Arjun then Master can act as Krushna.....when consciousness degrade then for such People Master have to act same as Buddha(Mitraiye)....I can appreciate your question.....there is nothing wrong to have Question (Rather People are not asking Questions).....but my answer will definitely not help you to get answer rather they are to create trouble for you much.....unless you make clear Image/Picture which is source for Brain to work occult Science requires station/receiver ...In a way i have helped you much so your brain can generate More doubts on yourself....and clear older image or add new image...

//It is about preference and which has more scientific base.//Do not think about preference that is absurd and there is nothing called as 'more scientific'...more and less terms can not be used....either Both works or anyone will not works....Practice makes difference ...

you know Arjuna all doubts are get removed only after DARSHAN of krushna though krushna delivered a lot dialogsLive your questions it takes time but one day it appear that anyone technique or Head/Palm Reading ...without technique (Later) ...one can predict Not Mystery It is like One is on Ground and Another is on Tree and say Some one may come in you Home after 10 min ......

-Today I am leaving station for 20 days so can not answer any more questions..... P.S.yes i taken care not to make post Personal even if it hurt to anybody please pardon me...------------------ Regards,

Devisingh

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