Does a planet in its own sign throw better aspects?

March 21, 2010

Hi All,

(1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?

E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better aspects than

Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.

My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the energy

that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always throw out positive

energy.

Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results from the

houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house that it occupies

and the results from planets conjunct with it.

In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve irrespective of

Jupiter's house placement.

(2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer will not be

as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome Jupiterian energy

Thanks

Kiran

March 21, 2010

Not possible buddy...

Amitabh Bacchan lying in the hospital what positive energy can he throw

to his family members or anybody else ???

But if he in his own Bugalow at Juhu, Bombay, he can move and shake as

per his whims and fancies and strong enough to negotiate for more films.

Is it not ?

A terrorist behind bars, what great harm can he do ? Will his hands not

be tied ?

But if in Pakistan he can do great many things and create a havoc in

India with his planning...

, " kiran.rama "

<kiran.rama wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> (1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?

> E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better

aspects than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.

>

> My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the

energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always

throw out positive energy.

> Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results

from the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house

that it occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.

>

> In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve

irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.

>

> (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer

will not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome

Jupiterian energy

>

> Thanks

> Kiran

>

March 21, 2010

Dear Kiran ji,What do you think about Jupiter's aspect on 6H?If it is benefic, it should enhance the results of 6H.Should it it not cause debts, diseases, etc? How is it for the person concerned? How will you weigh the merits and demerits?

RegardsNeelamOn 21 March 2010 16:15, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

Hi All,

(1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?

E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better aspects than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.

My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always throw out positive energy.

Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results from the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house that it occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.

In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.

(2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer will not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome Jupiterian energy

Thanks

Kiran

March 21, 2010

Dear Bhaskar ji,

Your analogy is nice. But I believe it applies only to the house it lords and

the house it occupies

Here is my point:

There are 2 charts - one with Ju exalted and one with Ju debilitated

The exalted Ju will do well for the houses owned by Ju in the chart and the

house it occupies. Reverse for Debilitated Ju.

However for the 5H, 7H and 9H aspects that Ju throws, the intensity of

beneficity will be the same for both the charts - irrespective of whether Ju is

debilitated or exalted

Thanks

Kiran

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Not possible buddy...

>

> Amitabh Bacchan lying in the hospital what positive energy can he throw

> to his family members or anybody else ???

>

> But if he in his own Bugalow at Juhu, Bombay, he can move and shake as

> per his whims and fancies and strong enough to negotiate for more films.

> Is it not ?

>

> A terrorist behind bars, what great harm can he do ? Will his hands not

> be tied ?

>

> But if in Pakistan he can do great many things and create a havoc in

> India with his planning...

>

> , " kiran.rama "

> <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > (1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?

> > E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better

> aspects than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.

> >

> > My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the

> energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always

> throw out positive energy.

> > Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results

> from the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house

> that it occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.

> >

> > In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve

> irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.

> >

> > (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer

> will not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome

> Jupiterian energy

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

>

March 21, 2010

DEAR Friends,A planet in debility creates a negative effect on nativity, in more than one ways.Let first take the case of debilitated Jupiter.It casts full aspects on 5,7 and 9 th housrsand 75% aspect on 4 and 8 th houses.The debilitated Jupiter if placed in 9th house in Capricorn when sign Taurus is rising. From Lagna ,9th house is occupied by debilitated planet and that too in Bhadhaka house.In this case , harm to lagna will be much more than the benefic aspect on Lagna.Suppose Scorpio is rising and Jupiter is in 9th house in cancer. Would it not lift the indication of whole nativity.The planets placed in angular and trinal houses in auspicious Avasthas from any house , it enhancesthe auspicious indications of the concern house.BPHS says in the last chapter of Vargadhya that many yogas in the nativity are diminished,if a planet is combust , defeated in war , in debilitation , Durbala and in Shyanaadi bad AVASTHAS.I recommend that verses from 1to 15 of chapter 11 of Jatak Parijat may be consulted to havea overall view on the topic in discussion.REGARDS,G. K. Goel

From: neelamgupta07Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:00:10 +0530Re: Does a planet in its own sign throw better aspects?

Dear Kiran ji,What do you think about Jupiter's aspect on 6H?If it is benefic, it should enhance the results of 6H.Should it it not cause debts, diseases, etc? How is it for the person concerned? How will you weigh the merits and demerits?

RegardsNeelamOn 21 March 2010 16:15, kiran.rama <kiran.rama (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Hi All,

(1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?

E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better aspects than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.

My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always throw out positive energy.

Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results from the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house that it occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.

In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.

(2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer will not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome Jupiterian energy

Thanks

Kiran

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March 21, 2010

Dear Kiran ji,Jupiter is a planet of growth and expansion. Very often, when Jupiter's lordship and functional nature for a given chart is not auspicious, its aspect on 6H would bring disease. It may also increase debts and litigation when Jupiter carries a mandate to give that. ANd 8L Jupiter, if aspects from 12H of losses and hospitals is likely to bring expenditure on diseases if other conditions also indicate so.

If this 8L Jup aspects from 2H, it may give bad food/drink habits and cause diseases like diabetes and liver ailments. Even jaundice through water intake of infested water. If this 8L aspects from 10H, it can result in a person taking debts for his professional growth which might be good if Jup is not afflicted, as 8H is 11th from 10th.

We cannot make a generalised statement that Jupiter's aspect would always be benefic. The statement could be more applicable to transits.Please ignore if you do not agree.RegardsNeelam

On 21 March 2010 20:19, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

Ju aspect on 6H will be a benefic aspect for the 6H - however significations of the houses that Ju lords will suffer

So Ju aspect on 6H will mean fewer diseases, fewer enemies, attention to details (6H is the house of details), lesser litigation, tendency to be charged etc.

However other factors like 6HL, karaka for 6H will also matter

Ju aspect on 6H is a benefic aspect for the person. It will not mean that the 6H results will be enhanced

I have been in oblivion for a few months reading about stuff. I maybe wrong - if so, please forgive and correct me

My point is that irrespective of Ju being exalted/own house/debilitated; Ju will always throw benefic aspects and the intensity of the beneficity will not vary in either case.

However it will affect the houses it lords and the houses it posits in the normal way (exalted/own being good and debilitated meaning bad)

Thanks

Kiran

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Kiran ji,

>

> What do you think about Jupiter's aspect on 6H?

> If it is benefic, it should enhance the results of 6H.Should it it not cause

> debts, diseases, etc?

> How is it for the person concerned? How will you weigh the merits and

> demerits?

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> On 21 March 2010 16:15, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

>

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > (1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?

> > E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better aspects

> > than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.

> >

> > My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the

> > energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always throw

> > out positive energy.

> > Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results from

> > the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house that it

> > occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.

> >

> > In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve

> > irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.

> >

> > (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer will

> > not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome Jupiterian

> > energy

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

>

March 21, 2010

ok,

WIll an exalted Ju throw better aspects than a debilitated Ju?

Per James Braha ji, (author of 'Art and Practice of Ancient Hindu Astrology:

Nine Intimate Sessions between Teacher and Student') it is not the case. Both

will throw similar aspects - but the results for the houses lorded and house

posited would be differetn

Do you agree?

And to your other point: Ju aspecting 6H; planet aspecting house if it is

benefic aspect is good for the individual. Are you implying that benefics

aspecting malefic houses is bad for individual but good for the house?

Thanks

Kiran

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Kiran ji,

>

> Jupiter is a planet of growth and expansion. Very often, when Jupiter's

> lordship and functional nature for a given chart is not auspicious, its

> aspect on 6H would bring disease. It may also increase debts and litigation

> when Jupiter carries a mandate to give that. ANd 8L Jupiter, if aspects from

> 12H of losses and hospitals is likely to bring expenditure on diseases if

> other conditions also indicate so.

>

> If this 8L Jup aspects from 2H, it may give bad food/drink habits and cause

> diseases like diabetes and liver ailments. Even jaundice through water

> intake of infested water.

> If this 8L aspects from 10H, it can result in a person taking debts for his

> professional growth which might be good if Jup is not afflicted, as 8H is

> 11th from 10th.

>

> We cannot make a generalised statement that Jupiter's aspect would always be

> benefic. The statement could be more applicable to transits.

>

> Please ignore if you do not agree.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> On 21 March 2010 20:19, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

>

> >

> > Ju aspect on 6H will be a benefic aspect for the 6H - however

> > significations of the houses that Ju lords will suffer

> >

> > So Ju aspect on 6H will mean fewer diseases, fewer enemies, attention to

> > details (6H is the house of details), lesser litigation, tendency to be

> > charged etc.

> >

> > However other factors like 6HL, karaka for 6H will also matter

> >

> > Ju aspect on 6H is a benefic aspect for the person. It will not mean that

> > the 6H results will be enhanced

> >

> > I have been in oblivion for a few months reading about stuff. I maybe wrong

> > - if so, please forgive and correct me

> >

> > My point is that irrespective of Ju being exalted/own house/debilitated; Ju

> > will always throw benefic aspects and the intensity of the beneficity will

> > not vary in either case.

> > However it will affect the houses it lords and the houses it posits in the

> > normal way (exalted/own being good and debilitated meaning bad)

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kiran ji,

> > >

> > > What do you think about Jupiter's aspect on 6H?

> > > If it is benefic, it should enhance the results of 6H.Should it it not

> > cause

> > > debts, diseases, etc?

> > > How is it for the person concerned? How will you weigh the merits and

> > > demerits?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > > On 21 March 2010 16:15, kiran.rama <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi All,

> > > >

> > > > (1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?

> > > > E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better

> > aspects

> > > > than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.

> > > >

> > > > My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the

> > > > energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always

> > throw

> > > > out positive energy.

> > > > Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results

> > from

> > > > the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house that

> > it

> > > > occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.

> > > >

> > > > In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve

> > > > irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.

> > > >

> > > > (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer

> > will

> > > > not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome Jupiterian

> > > > energy

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Kiran

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 21, 2010

Dear Kiran ji,I am not implying anything so straightforward. Every planet has multiple roles - as bhavesh, as karaka, as natural malefic/benefic, as functional malefic/benefic, etc which further get modified by way of other associations.

Every bhava has many significations, some are good and some may not be good. Then also we have a time factor. What is good at 20 may not be good at 80! We must remember the basic parashari principles for checking when any house would flourish/suffer. It must apply to all houses including trik and dustanas.

It has nothing to do with the person, but the house depending upon the lordship and significataions (karakatwas) of the aspecting planet.. //Ju aspect on 6H will be a benefic aspect for the 6H - however significations of the houses that Ju lords will suffer//

By mere aspect of Jup on 6H, how will Jupiter's houses suffer? Jupiter will draw resources from 6H to augment its own house results. Only when Jup goes to 6H or is aspected by 6L, its house results can suffer.

//WIll an exalted Ju throw better aspects than a debilitated Ju?

Per James Braha ji, (author of 'Art and Practice of Ancient Hindu

Astrology: Nine Intimate Sessions between Teacher and Student') it is

not the case. Both will throw similar aspects - but the results for the

houses lorded and house posited would be differetn//I think you're contradicting yourself. Aspect can only be qualified by the results it produces. Stronger planet obviously, can draw more from its associations and ensure better results for its own houses and tenented houses.

Hope that clarifies.RegardsNeelam

On 21 March 2010 21:51, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

ok,

WIll an exalted Ju throw better aspects than a debilitated Ju?

Per James Braha ji, (author of 'Art and Practice of Ancient Hindu Astrology: Nine Intimate Sessions between Teacher and Student') it is not the case. Both will throw similar aspects - but the results for the houses lorded and house posited would be differetn

Do you agree?

And to your other point: Ju aspecting 6H; planet aspecting house if it is benefic aspect is good for the individual. Are you implying that benefics aspecting malefic houses is bad for individual but good for the house?

Thanks

Kiran

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Kiran ji,

>

> Jupiter is a planet of growth and expansion. Very often, when Jupiter's

> lordship and functional nature for a given chart is not auspicious, its

> aspect on 6H would bring disease. It may also increase debts and litigation

> when Jupiter carries a mandate to give that. ANd 8L Jupiter, if aspects from

> 12H of losses and hospitals is likely to bring expenditure on diseases if

> other conditions also indicate so.

>

> If this 8L Jup aspects from 2H, it may give bad food/drink habits and cause

> diseases like diabetes and liver ailments. Even jaundice through water

> intake of infested water.

> If this 8L aspects from 10H, it can result in a person taking debts for his

> professional growth which might be good if Jup is not afflicted, as 8H is

> 11th from 10th.

>

> We cannot make a generalised statement that Jupiter's aspect would always be

> benefic. The statement could be more applicable to transits.

>

> Please ignore if you do not agree.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> On 21 March 2010 20:19, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

>

> >

> > Ju aspect on 6H will be a benefic aspect for the 6H - however

> > significations of the houses that Ju lords will suffer

> >

> > So Ju aspect on 6H will mean fewer diseases, fewer enemies, attention to

> > details (6H is the house of details), lesser litigation, tendency to be

> > charged etc.

> >

> > However other factors like 6HL, karaka for 6H will also matter

> >

> > Ju aspect on 6H is a benefic aspect for the person. It will not mean that

> > the 6H results will be enhanced

> >

> > I have been in oblivion for a few months reading about stuff. I maybe wrong

> > - if so, please forgive and correct me

> >

> > My point is that irrespective of Ju being exalted/own house/debilitated; Ju

> > will always throw benefic aspects and the intensity of the beneficity will

> > not vary in either case.

> > However it will affect the houses it lords and the houses it posits in the

> > normal way (exalted/own being good and debilitated meaning bad)

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > <%40>,

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kiran ji,

> > >

> > > What do you think about Jupiter's aspect on 6H?

> > > If it is benefic, it should enhance the results of 6H.Should it it not

> > cause

> > > debts, diseases, etc?

> > > How is it for the person concerned? How will you weigh the merits and

> > > demerits?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > > On 21 March 2010 16:15, kiran.rama <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi All,

> > > >

> > > > (1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?

> > > > E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better

> > aspects

> > > > than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.

> > > >

> > > > My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the

> > > > energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always

> > throw

> > > > out positive energy.

> > > > Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results

> > from

> > > > the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house that

> > it

> > > > occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.

> > > >

> > > > In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve

> > > > irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.

> > > >

> > > > (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer

> > will

> > > > not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome Jupiterian

> > > > energy

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Kiran

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 21, 2010

Kiranji,

What you are trying to say is that when it comes to planetary aspect, natural

benefic nature of Ju and its relationship with aspected rashi matters.

Yes, I use same principle though others may disagree.

regds

Dev

, " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama

wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> (1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?

> E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better aspects

than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.

>

> My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the energy

that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always throw out positive

energy.

> Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results from the

houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house that it occupies

and the results from planets conjunct with it.

>

> In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve irrespective

of Jupiter's house placement.

>

> (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer will not

be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome Jupiterian energy

>

> Thanks

> Kiran

>

March 21, 2010

Yes, this is exactly what I agree with as well.

For aspects natural benefic nature of Ju matters - it's aspect is welcomed in

all signs except Capricorn where it is debilitated

This is very important - because consider a scenario when an exalted Sa throws a

3H aspect to 10H.

It is a malefic aspect but per few folks, it will be considered as benefic

aspect since Sa is exalted

Thanks

Kiran

, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:

>

> Kiranji,

>

> What you are trying to say is that when it comes to planetary aspect, natural

benefic nature of Ju and its relationship with aspected rashi matters.

>

> Yes, I use same principle though others may disagree.

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama@>

wrote:

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > (1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?

> > E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better aspects

than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.

> >

> > My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the energy

that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always throw out positive

energy.

> > Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results from the

houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house that it occupies

and the results from planets conjunct with it.

> >

> > In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve

irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.

> >

> > (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer will not

be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome Jupiterian energy

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

>

March 21, 2010

Dear Neelam ji,

You are my respected guru! i have learnt lot from you.

Ju aspecting 6H will not harm the houses that Ju lords. That was a typo.

What I intended to say was that if Ju is exalted or debilated will result in

good or bad for the houses it lords - but will not affect the quality of aspects

it throws.

example: Say Sa is exalted in Virgo for Pi ascendant and throws a 3H aspect onto

10H.

My reasoning (solely based on Sa aspect): Sa is malefic and its aspect is bad

Reasoning from other logic: Sa is exalted and hence its malefic is beneficial!!

Sa is lord of 9H and 10H - i.e. yogakaraka and aspect is good

So this can result in haywire predictions based on what we believe to be true

My argument is that strength of a planet has nothing to do with the aspects that

it throws. An exalted or debilitated Ju will throw similarly benefic aspects

One more important point:

Is a benefic aspect on 6H good for the house or for the individual?

I believe it is for the individual .

benefic aspect on 6H means fewer enemies, while malefic aspect on 6H means more

enemies. However malefic aspect on 6H can also mean victory over enemies since

malefics are welcomed by the upachaya house energy

Thanks

Kiran

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Kiran ji,

>

> I am not implying anything so straightforward.

> Every planet has multiple roles - as bhavesh, as karaka, as natural

> malefic/benefic, as functional malefic/benefic, etc which further get

> modified by way of other associations.

> Every bhava has many significations, some are good and some may not be good.

> Then also we have a time factor. What is good at 20 may not be good at 80!

> We must remember the basic parashari principles for checking when any house

> would flourish/suffer. It must apply to all houses including trik and

> dustanas.

> It has nothing to do with the person, but the house depending upon the

> lordship and significataions (karakatwas) of the aspecting planet..

>

> //Ju aspect on 6H will be a benefic aspect for the 6H - however

> significations of the houses that Ju lords will suffer//

> By mere aspect of Jup on 6H, how will Jupiter's houses suffer? Jupiter will

> draw resources from 6H to augment its own house results. Only when Jup goes

> to 6H or is aspected by 6L, its house results can suffer.

>

> //WIll an exalted Ju throw better aspects than a debilitated Ju?

> Per James Braha ji, (author of 'Art and Practice of Ancient Hindu Astrology:

> Nine Intimate Sessions between Teacher and Student') it is not the case.

> Both will throw similar aspects - but the results for the houses lorded and

> house posited would be differetn//

> I think you're contradicting yourself. Aspect can only be qualified by the

> results it produces. Stronger planet obviously, can draw more from its

> associations and ensure better results for its own houses and tenented

> houses.

>

> Hope that clarifies.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> On 21 March 2010 21:51, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

>

> >

> > ok,

> > WIll an exalted Ju throw better aspects than a debilitated Ju?

> >

> > Per James Braha ji, (author of 'Art and Practice of Ancient Hindu

> > Astrology: Nine Intimate Sessions between Teacher and Student') it is not

> > the case. Both will throw similar aspects - but the results for the houses

> > lorded and house posited would be differetn

> >

> > Do you agree?

> >

> > And to your other point: Ju aspecting 6H; planet aspecting house if it is

> > benefic aspect is good for the individual. Are you implying that benefics

> > aspecting malefic houses is bad for individual but good for the house?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kiran ji,

> > >

> > > Jupiter is a planet of growth and expansion. Very often, when Jupiter's

> > > lordship and functional nature for a given chart is not auspicious, its

> > > aspect on 6H would bring disease. It may also increase debts and

> > litigation

> > > when Jupiter carries a mandate to give that. ANd 8L Jupiter, if aspects

> > from

> > > 12H of losses and hospitals is likely to bring expenditure on diseases if

> > > other conditions also indicate so.

> > >

> > > If this 8L Jup aspects from 2H, it may give bad food/drink habits and

> > cause

> > > diseases like diabetes and liver ailments. Even jaundice through water

> > > intake of infested water.

> > > If this 8L aspects from 10H, it can result in a person taking debts for

> > his

> > > professional growth which might be good if Jup is not afflicted, as 8H is

> > > 11th from 10th.

> > >

> > > We cannot make a generalised statement that Jupiter's aspect would always

> > be

> > > benefic. The statement could be more applicable to transits.

> > >

> > > Please ignore if you do not agree.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > > On 21 March 2010 20:19, kiran.rama <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Ju aspect on 6H will be a benefic aspect for the 6H - however

> > > > significations of the houses that Ju lords will suffer

> > > >

> > > > So Ju aspect on 6H will mean fewer diseases, fewer enemies, attention

> > to

> > > > details (6H is the house of details), lesser litigation, tendency to be

> > > > charged etc.

> > > >

> > > > However other factors like 6HL, karaka for 6H will also matter

> > > >

> > > > Ju aspect on 6H is a benefic aspect for the person. It will not mean

> > that

> > > > the 6H results will be enhanced

> > > >

> > > > I have been in oblivion for a few months reading about stuff. I maybe

> > wrong

> > > > - if so, please forgive and correct me

> > > >

> > > > My point is that irrespective of Ju being exalted/own

> > house/debilitated; Ju

> > > > will always throw benefic aspects and the intensity of the beneficity

> > will

> > > > not vary in either case.

> > > > However it will affect the houses it lords and the houses it posits in

> > the

> > > > normal way (exalted/own being good and debilitated meaning bad)

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Kiran

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>

> > <%40>,

> >

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kiran ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > What do you think about Jupiter's aspect on 6H?

> > > > > If it is benefic, it should enhance the results of 6H.Should it it

> > not

> > > > cause

> > > > > debts, diseases, etc?

> > > > > How is it for the person concerned? How will you weigh the merits and

> > > > > demerits?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > > On 21 March 2010 16:15, kiran.rama <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?

> > > > > > E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better

> > > > aspects

> > > > > > than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with

> > the

> > > > > > energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will

> > always

> > > > throw

> > > > > > out positive energy.

> > > > > > Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results

> > > > from

> > > > > > the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house

> > that

> > > > it

> > > > > > occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve

> > > > > > irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer

> > > > will

> > > > > > not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome

> > Jupiterian

> > > > > > energy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 21, 2010

Dear Neelam ji,

You are my respected guru! i have learnt lot from you.

Ju aspecting 6H will not harm the houses that Ju lords. That was a typo.

What I intended to say was that if Ju is exalted or debilated will result in

good or bad for the houses it lords - but will not affect the quality of aspects

it throws.

example: Say Sa is exalted in Virgo for Pi ascendant and throws a 3H aspect onto

10H.

My reasoning (solely based on Sa aspect): Sa is malefic and its aspect is bad

Reasoning from other logic: Sa is exalted and hence its malefic is beneficial!!

Sa is lord of 9H and 10H - i.e. yogakaraka and aspect is good

So this can result in haywire predictions based on what we believe to be true

My argument is that strength of a planet has nothing to do with the aspects that

it throws. An exalted or debilitated Ju will throw similarly benefic aspects

One more important point:

Is a benefic aspect on 6H good for the house or for the individual?

I believe it is for the individual .

benefic aspect on 6H means fewer enemies, while malefic aspect on 6H means more

enemies. However malefic aspect on 6H can also mean victory over enemies since

malefics are welcomed by the upachaya house energy

Thanks

Kiran

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Kiran ji,

>

> I am not implying anything so straightforward.

> Every planet has multiple roles - as bhavesh, as karaka, as natural

> malefic/benefic, as functional malefic/benefic, etc which further get

> modified by way of other associations.

> Every bhava has many significations, some are good and some may not be good.

> Then also we have a time factor. What is good at 20 may not be good at 80!

> We must remember the basic parashari principles for checking when any house

> would flourish/suffer. It must apply to all houses including trik and

> dustanas.

> It has nothing to do with the person, but the house depending upon the

> lordship and significataions (karakatwas) of the aspecting planet..

>

> //Ju aspect on 6H will be a benefic aspect for the 6H - however

> significations of the houses that Ju lords will suffer//

> By mere aspect of Jup on 6H, how will Jupiter's houses suffer? Jupiter will

> draw resources from 6H to augment its own house results. Only when Jup goes

> to 6H or is aspected by 6L, its house results can suffer.

>

> //WIll an exalted Ju throw better aspects than a debilitated Ju?

> Per James Braha ji, (author of 'Art and Practice of Ancient Hindu Astrology:

> Nine Intimate Sessions between Teacher and Student') it is not the case.

> Both will throw similar aspects - but the results for the houses lorded and

> house posited would be differetn//

> I think you're contradicting yourself. Aspect can only be qualified by the

> results it produces. Stronger planet obviously, can draw more from its

> associations and ensure better results for its own houses and tenented

> houses.

>

> Hope that clarifies.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> On 21 March 2010 21:51, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

>

> >

> > ok,

> > WIll an exalted Ju throw better aspects than a debilitated Ju?

> >

> > Per James Braha ji, (author of 'Art and Practice of Ancient Hindu

> > Astrology: Nine Intimate Sessions between Teacher and Student') it is not

> > the case. Both will throw similar aspects - but the results for the houses

> > lorded and house posited would be differetn

> >

> > Do you agree?

> >

> > And to your other point: Ju aspecting 6H; planet aspecting house if it is

> > benefic aspect is good for the individual. Are you implying that benefics

> > aspecting malefic houses is bad for individual but good for the house?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kiran ji,

> > >

> > > Jupiter is a planet of growth and expansion. Very often, when Jupiter's

> > > lordship and functional nature for a given chart is not auspicious, its

> > > aspect on 6H would bring disease. It may also increase debts and

> > litigation

> > > when Jupiter carries a mandate to give that. ANd 8L Jupiter, if aspects

> > from

> > > 12H of losses and hospitals is likely to bring expenditure on diseases if

> > > other conditions also indicate so.

> > >

> > > If this 8L Jup aspects from 2H, it may give bad food/drink habits and

> > cause

> > > diseases like diabetes and liver ailments. Even jaundice through water

> > > intake of infested water.

> > > If this 8L aspects from 10H, it can result in a person taking debts for

> > his

> > > professional growth which might be good if Jup is not afflicted, as 8H is

> > > 11th from 10th.

> > >

> > > We cannot make a generalised statement that Jupiter's aspect would always

> > be

> > > benefic. The statement could be more applicable to transits.

> > >

> > > Please ignore if you do not agree.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > > On 21 March 2010 20:19, kiran.rama <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Ju aspect on 6H will be a benefic aspect for the 6H - however

> > > > significations of the houses that Ju lords will suffer

> > > >

> > > > So Ju aspect on 6H will mean fewer diseases, fewer enemies, attention

> > to

> > > > details (6H is the house of details), lesser litigation, tendency to be

> > > > charged etc.

> > > >

> > > > However other factors like 6HL, karaka for 6H will also matter

> > > >

> > > > Ju aspect on 6H is a benefic aspect for the person. It will not mean

> > that

> > > > the 6H results will be enhanced

> > > >

> > > > I have been in oblivion for a few months reading about stuff. I maybe

> > wrong

> > > > - if so, please forgive and correct me

> > > >

> > > > My point is that irrespective of Ju being exalted/own

> > house/debilitated; Ju

> > > > will always throw benefic aspects and the intensity of the beneficity

> > will

> > > > not vary in either case.

> > > > However it will affect the houses it lords and the houses it posits in

> > the

> > > > normal way (exalted/own being good and debilitated meaning bad)

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Kiran

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>

> > <%40>,

> >

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kiran ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > What do you think about Jupiter's aspect on 6H?

> > > > > If it is benefic, it should enhance the results of 6H.Should it it

> > not

> > > > cause

> > > > > debts, diseases, etc?

> > > > > How is it for the person concerned? How will you weigh the merits and

> > > > > demerits?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > > On 21 March 2010 16:15, kiran.rama <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?

> > > > > > E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better

> > > > aspects

> > > > > > than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with

> > the

> > > > > > energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will

> > always

> > > > throw

> > > > > > out positive energy.

> > > > > > Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results

> > > > from

> > > > > > the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house

> > that

> > > > it

> > > > > > occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve

> > > > > > irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer

> > > > will

> > > > > > not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome

> > Jupiterian

> > > > > > energy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 21, 2010

Does that mean, Jupiter can never harm an individual (or is that bhava?) by its aspect, except when it gets to aspect Capricorn?Is it given in any classical text? I think we are quite clear about the functional nature of planets for different lagnas.

RegardsNeelamOn 21 March 2010 23:21, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

Yes, this is exactly what I agree with as well.

For aspects natural benefic nature of Ju matters - it's aspect is welcomed in all signs except Capricorn where it is debilitated

This is very important - because consider a scenario when an exalted Sa throws a 3H aspect to 10H.

It is a malefic aspect but per few folks, it will be considered as benefic aspect since Sa is exalted

Thanks

Kiran

, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:

>

> Kiranji,

>

> What you are trying to say is that when it comes to planetary aspect, natural benefic nature of Ju and its relationship with aspected rashi matters.

>

> Yes, I use same principle though others may disagree.

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > (1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?

> > E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better aspects than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.

> >

> > My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always throw out positive energy.

> > Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results from the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house that it occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.

> >

> > In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.

> >

> > (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer will not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome Jupiterian energy

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

>

March 21, 2010

Dear Neelamji:

Yes, for aspects: we need to look at planet-sign for position; we need to look

at house lordship. Ju can harm an individual when it is a dusthana lord or in a

dusthana, it can harm the houses it lords - this happens for position

However for aspects, Jupiterian energy is always benefic - Ju does not throw

more benefic energy just because it is exalted

This is a 'planets-first' approach taught by James Braha ji.

I would like your thoughts on this as well:

Ju aspect onto 6H is benefic to the house or the individual. I believe it is for

the latter

Thanks

Kiran

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Does that mean, Jupiter can never harm an individual (or is that bhava?) by

> its aspect, except when it gets to aspect Capricorn?

> Is it given in any classical text? I think we are quite clear about the

> functional nature of planets for different lagnas.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> On 21 March 2010 23:21, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

>

> >

> > Yes, this is exactly what I agree with as well.

> > For aspects natural benefic nature of Ju matters - it's aspect is welcomed

> > in all signs except Capricorn where it is debilitated

> >

> > This is very important - because consider a scenario when an exalted Sa

> > throws a 3H aspect to 10H.

> > It is a malefic aspect but per few folks, it will be considered as benefic

> > aspect since Sa is exalted

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Kiranji,

> > >

> > > What you are trying to say is that when it comes to planetary aspect,

> > natural benefic nature of Ju and its relationship with aspected rashi

> > matters.

> > >

> > > Yes, I use same principle though others may disagree.

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi All,

> > > >

> > > > (1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?

> > > > E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better

> > aspects than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.

> > > >

> > > > My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the

> > energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always throw

> > out positive energy.

> > > > Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results

> > from the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house that

> > it occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.

> > > >

> > > > In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve

> > irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.

> > > >

> > > > (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer

> > will not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome Jupiterian

> > energy

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Kiran

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 21, 2010

Dear Kiran ji,I am no guru, but a learner myself. :-)Let me try once more to understand what you're saying.An aspect has two results:1. The bhava/planet aspected is affected - good/bad2. The aspecting planet draws results from the aspected house/planet for its own house

Now in case 1, if a benefic aspects any house, it does good or would have an intention to do good, but the potency to do good would surely depend upon the strength of the planet, its functional nature, awastha, associations, etc. It might do good/very good, remain nuetral or become adverse due to such other factors.

In case 2, A planet has to work for his own house from wherever it is, in whatever state it is. Hence it will always try to extract from its associations to augment the results of its own house, but again the strength of the planet would be the deciding factor for quantity and quality of results. But in this case, the planet per se would not harm its own house.

You may take an example to discuss further.RegardsNeelamOn 21 March 2010 23:27, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

Dear Neelam ji,

You are my respected guru! i have learnt lot from you.

Ju aspecting 6H will not harm the houses that Ju lords. That was a typo.

What I intended to say was that if Ju is exalted or debilated will result in good or bad for the houses it lords - but will not affect the quality of aspects it throws.

example: Say Sa is exalted in Virgo for Pi ascendant and throws a 3H aspect onto 10H.

My reasoning (solely based on Sa aspect): Sa is malefic and its aspect is bad

Reasoning from other logic: Sa is exalted and hence its malefic is beneficial!!

Sa is lord of 9H and 10H - i.e. yogakaraka and aspect is good

So this can result in haywire predictions based on what we believe to be true

My argument is that strength of a planet has nothing to do with the aspects that it throws. An exalted or debilitated Ju will throw similarly benefic aspects

One more important point:

Is a benefic aspect on 6H good for the house or for the individual?

I believe it is for the individual .

benefic aspect on 6H means fewer enemies, while malefic aspect on 6H means more enemies. However malefic aspect on 6H can also mean victory over enemies since malefics are welcomed by the upachaya house energy

Thanks

Kiran

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Kiran ji,

>

> I am not implying anything so straightforward.

> Every planet has multiple roles - as bhavesh, as karaka, as natural

> malefic/benefic, as functional malefic/benefic, etc which further get

> modified by way of other associations.

> Every bhava has many significations, some are good and some may not be good.

> Then also we have a time factor. What is good at 20 may not be good at 80!

> We must remember the basic parashari principles for checking when any house

> would flourish/suffer. It must apply to all houses including trik and

> dustanas.

> It has nothing to do with the person, but the house depending upon the

> lordship and significataions (karakatwas) of the aspecting planet..

>

> //Ju aspect on 6H will be a benefic aspect for the 6H - however

> significations of the houses that Ju lords will suffer//

> By mere aspect of Jup on 6H, how will Jupiter's houses suffer? Jupiter will

> draw resources from 6H to augment its own house results. Only when Jup goes

> to 6H or is aspected by 6L, its house results can suffer.

>

> //WIll an exalted Ju throw better aspects than a debilitated Ju?

> Per James Braha ji, (author of 'Art and Practice of Ancient Hindu Astrology:

> Nine Intimate Sessions between Teacher and Student') it is not the case.

> Both will throw similar aspects - but the results for the houses lorded and

> house posited would be differetn//

> I think you're contradicting yourself. Aspect can only be qualified by the

> results it produces. Stronger planet obviously, can draw more from its

> associations and ensure better results for its own houses and tenented

> houses.

>

> Hope that clarifies.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> On 21 March 2010 21:51, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

>

> >

> > ok,

> > WIll an exalted Ju throw better aspects than a debilitated Ju?

> >

> > Per James Braha ji, (author of 'Art and Practice of Ancient Hindu

> > Astrology: Nine Intimate Sessions between Teacher and Student') it is not

> > the case. Both will throw similar aspects - but the results for the houses

> > lorded and house posited would be differetn

> >

> > Do you agree?

> >

> > And to your other point: Ju aspecting 6H; planet aspecting house if it is

> > benefic aspect is good for the individual. Are you implying that benefics

> > aspecting malefic houses is bad for individual but good for the house?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > <%40>,

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kiran ji,

> > >

> > > Jupiter is a planet of growth and expansion. Very often, when Jupiter's

> > > lordship and functional nature for a given chart is not auspicious, its

> > > aspect on 6H would bring disease. It may also increase debts and

> > litigation

> > > when Jupiter carries a mandate to give that. ANd 8L Jupiter, if aspects

> > from

> > > 12H of losses and hospitals is likely to bring expenditure on diseases if

> > > other conditions also indicate so.

> > >

> > > If this 8L Jup aspects from 2H, it may give bad food/drink habits and

> > cause

> > > diseases like diabetes and liver ailments. Even jaundice through water

> > > intake of infested water.

> > > If this 8L aspects from 10H, it can result in a person taking debts for

> > his

> > > professional growth which might be good if Jup is not afflicted, as 8H is

> > > 11th from 10th.

> > >

> > > We cannot make a generalised statement that Jupiter's aspect would always

> > be

> > > benefic. The statement could be more applicable to transits.

> > >

> > > Please ignore if you do not agree.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > > On 21 March 2010 20:19, kiran.rama <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Ju aspect on 6H will be a benefic aspect for the 6H - however

> > > > significations of the houses that Ju lords will suffer

> > > >

> > > > So Ju aspect on 6H will mean fewer diseases, fewer enemies, attention

> > to

> > > > details (6H is the house of details), lesser litigation, tendency to be

> > > > charged etc.

> > > >

> > > > However other factors like 6HL, karaka for 6H will also matter

> > > >

> > > > Ju aspect on 6H is a benefic aspect for the person. It will not mean

> > that

> > > > the 6H results will be enhanced

> > > >

> > > > I have been in oblivion for a few months reading about stuff. I maybe

> > wrong

> > > > - if so, please forgive and correct me

> > > >

> > > > My point is that irrespective of Ju being exalted/own

> > house/debilitated; Ju

> > > > will always throw benefic aspects and the intensity of the beneficity

> > will

> > > > not vary in either case.

> > > > However it will affect the houses it lords and the houses it posits in

> > the

> > > > normal way (exalted/own being good and debilitated meaning bad)

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Kiran

> > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > <%40>,

> >

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kiran ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > What do you think about Jupiter's aspect on 6H?

> > > > > If it is benefic, it should enhance the results of 6H.Should it it

> > not

> > > > cause

> > > > > debts, diseases, etc?

> > > > > How is it for the person concerned? How will you weigh the merits and

> > > > > demerits?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > > On 21 March 2010 16:15, kiran.rama <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?

> > > > > > E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better

> > > > aspects

> > > > > > than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with

> > the

> > > > > > energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will

> > always

> > > > throw

> > > > > > out positive energy.

> > > > > > Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results

> > > > from

> > > > > > the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house

> > that

> > > > it

> > > > > > occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve

> > > > > > irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer

> > > > will

> > > > > > not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome

> > Jupiterian

> > > > > > energy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 21, 2010

I can't understand Sanskrit and the Sanskrit texts don't teach interpretation.

e.g: Phaladeepika results for Mars in 2nd house. They are extreme and cannot be

true

I refer to the groups and good astrology text books written by those who read

the classics

Thanks

Kiran

, " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama

wrote:

>

> Dear Neelamji:

>

> Yes, for aspects: we need to look at planet-sign for position; we need to look

at house lordship. Ju can harm an individual when it is a dusthana lord or in a

dusthana, it can harm the houses it lords - this happens for position

>

> However for aspects, Jupiterian energy is always benefic - Ju does not throw

more benefic energy just because it is exalted

> This is a 'planets-first' approach taught by James Braha ji.

>

> I would like your thoughts on this as well:

> Ju aspect onto 6H is benefic to the house or the individual. I believe it is

for the latter

>

> Thanks

> Kiran

>

> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

wrote:

> >

> > Does that mean, Jupiter can never harm an individual (or is that bhava?) by

> > its aspect, except when it gets to aspect Capricorn?

> > Is it given in any classical text? I think we are quite clear about the

> > functional nature of planets for different lagnas.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> > On 21 March 2010 23:21, kiran.rama <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Yes, this is exactly what I agree with as well.

> > > For aspects natural benefic nature of Ju matters - it's aspect is welcomed

> > > in all signs except Capricorn where it is debilitated

> > >

> > > This is very important - because consider a scenario when an exalted Sa

> > > throws a 3H aspect to 10H.

> > > It is a malefic aspect but per few folks, it will be considered as benefic

> > > aspect since Sa is exalted

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Kiran

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Kiranji,

> > > >

> > > > What you are trying to say is that when it comes to planetary aspect,

> > > natural benefic nature of Ju and its relationship with aspected rashi

> > > matters.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I use same principle though others may disagree.

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi All,

> > > > >

> > > > > (1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?

> > > > > E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better

> > > aspects than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.

> > > > >

> > > > > My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the

> > > energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always throw

> > > out positive energy.

> > > > > Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results

> > > from the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house that

> > > it occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.

> > > > >

> > > > > In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve

> > > irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.

> > > > >

> > > > > (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer

> > > will not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome

Jupiterian

> > > energy

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Kiran

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 21, 2010

Dear Kiran ji,If you understand Hindi:Sone pe suhaga is like having an exalted benefic,with an added power to do good! Karela aur neem chadha is like having a debilitated malefic, its maleficence increases and hence it causes more harm.

Hope that helpsRegardsNeelamOn 21 March 2010 23:56, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

Dear Neelamji:

Yes, for aspects: we need to look at planet-sign for position; we need to look at house lordship. Ju can harm an individual when it is a dusthana lord or in a dusthana, it can harm the houses it lords - this happens for position

However for aspects, Jupiterian energy is always benefic - Ju does not throw more benefic energy just because it is exalted

This is a 'planets-first' approach taught by James Braha ji.

I would like your thoughts on this as well:

Ju aspect onto 6H is benefic to the house or the individual. I believe it is for the latter

Thanks

Kiran

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Does that mean, Jupiter can never harm an individual (or is that bhava?) by

> its aspect, except when it gets to aspect Capricorn?

> Is it given in any classical text? I think we are quite clear about the

> functional nature of planets for different lagnas.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> On 21 March 2010 23:21, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

>

> >

> > Yes, this is exactly what I agree with as well.

> > For aspects natural benefic nature of Ju matters - it's aspect is welcomed

> > in all signs except Capricorn where it is debilitated

> >

> > This is very important - because consider a scenario when an exalted Sa

> > throws a 3H aspect to 10H.

> > It is a malefic aspect but per few folks, it will be considered as benefic

> > aspect since Sa is exalted

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > <%40>,

> > " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Kiranji,

> > >

> > > What you are trying to say is that when it comes to planetary aspect,

> > natural benefic nature of Ju and its relationship with aspected rashi

> > matters.

> > >

> > > Yes, I use same principle though others may disagree.

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> > > <%40>,

> > " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi All,

> > > >

> > > > (1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?

> > > > E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better

> > aspects than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.

> > > >

> > > > My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the

> > energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always throw

> > out positive energy.

> > > > Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results

> > from the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house that

> > it occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.

> > > >

> > > > In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve

> > irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.

> > > >

> > > > (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer

> > will not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome Jupiterian

> > energy

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Kiran

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 22, 2010

Learned Members,

My 25 paisa :

Somebody had mentioned no planets are good or bad.

A planet which is conjunct with a malefic ( natural as welll as functional ), will throw a malefic aspect.

For eg, in an instance a person with Cancer Asc and Sun, Sukra and Budh in 2nd house.

Rahu, Mangal in 7th house. Ordinarily without Rahu in picture - the speech would have been harsh anyways.

With Rahu in pictures Speech harsh - intent of speech also malefic and speech also includes lies.

So Mangal's aspect on speech is there but that it is with Rahu gives qualitative difference.

BTW Rahu + Mangal within 2 degrees conjunct.

I guess aspects can be good or bad.

Thanks & Regards

Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Sun, 21/3/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Does a planet in its own sign throw better aspects? Date: Sunday, 21 March, 2010, 11:38 PM

Does that mean, Jupiter can never harm an individual (or is that bhava?) by its aspect, except when it gets to aspect Capricorn?Is it given in any classical text? I think we are quite clear about the functional nature of planets for different lagnas. RegardsNeelam

On 21 March 2010 23:21, kiran.rama <kiran.rama (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Yes, this is exactly what I agree with as well.For aspects natural benefic nature of Ju matters - it's aspect is welcomed in all signs except Capricorn where it is debilitatedThis is very important - because consider a scenario when an exalted Sa throws a 3H aspect to 10H.It is a malefic aspect but per few folks, it will be considered as benefic aspect since Sa is exaltedThanksKiran

ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Kiranji,> > What you are trying to say is that when it comes to planetary aspect, natural benefic nature of Ju and its relationship with aspected rashi matters.> > Yes, I use same principle though others may disagree.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "kiran.rama" <kiran.rama@> wrote:> >> > Hi All,> > > > (1) Does a

planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?> > E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better aspects than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.> > > > My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always throw out positive energy.> > Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results from the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house that it occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.> > > > In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.> > > > (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer will not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome Jupiterian energy> > > > > >

Thanks> > Kiran> >>

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March 22, 2010

Natural benifics aspect will help. Natural melefics will not. Functional malefics will be bad in certain respects and good in certain if they are also natural benefics.

No black and white rules. Lots of off whites and grey's.Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Sun, 21/3/10, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

kiran.rama <kiran.rama Re: Does a planet in its own sign throw better aspects? Date: Sunday, 21 March, 2010, 8:15 PM

Dear Bhaskar ji,Your analogy is nice. But I believe it applies only to the house it lords and the house it occupiesHere is my point:There are 2 charts - one with Ju exalted and one with Ju debilitatedThe exalted Ju will do well for the houses owned by Ju in the chart and the house it occupies. Reverse for Debilitated Ju.However for the 5H, 7H and 9H aspects that Ju throws, the intensity of beneficity will be the same for both the charts - irrespective of whether Ju is debilitated or exaltedThanksKiranancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > Not possible buddy...> > Amitabh Bacchan lying in the hospital what

positive energy can he throw> to his family members or anybody else ???> > But if he in his own Bugalow at Juhu, Bombay, he can move and shake as> per his whims and fancies and strong enough to negotiate for more films.> Is it not ?> > A terrorist behind bars, what great harm can he do ? Will his hands not> be tied ?> > But if in Pakistan he can do great many things and create a havoc in> India with his planning...> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "kiran.rama"> <kiran.rama@ > wrote:> >> > Hi All,> >> > (1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?> >

E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better> aspects than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.> >> > My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the> energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always> throw out positive energy.> > Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results> from the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house> that it occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.> >> > In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve> irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.> >> > (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer> will not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome> Jupiterian energy> >> >> > Thanks>

> Kiran> >>

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Dear GK Goel Ji many thanks for this educativ post. rgrds sunil nair , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:>> > > DEAR Friends,> A planet in debility creates a negative effect on nativity, in more than one ways.> Let first take the case of debilitated Jupiter.It casts full aspects on 5,7 and 9 th housrs> and 75% aspect on 4 and 8 th houses.> The debilitated Jupiter if placed in 9th house in Capricorn when sign Taurus is rising. > From Lagna ,9th house is occupied by debilitated planet and that too in Bhadhaka house.> In this case , harm to lagna will be much more than the benefic aspect on Lagna.> Suppose Scorpio is rising and Jupiter is in 9th house in cancer. Would it not lift the indication of > whole nativity.> The planets placed in angular and trinal houses in auspicious Avasthas from any house , it enhances> the auspicious indications of the concern house.> BPHS says in the last chapter of Vargadhya that many yogas in the nativity are diminished,> if a planet is combust , defeated in war , in debilitation , Durbala and in Shyanaadi bad AVASTHAS.> > I recommend that verses from 1to 15 of chapter 11 of Jatak Parijat may be consulted to have> a overall view on the topic in discussion.> REGARDS,> G. K. Goel> > > > > > > neelamgupta07 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:00:10 +0530> Re: Does a planet in its own sign throw better aspects?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > What do you think about Jupiter's aspect on 6H?> If it is benefic, it should enhance the results of 6H.Should it it not cause debts, diseases, etc? > How is it for the person concerned? How will you weigh the merits and demerits?> > > Regards> Neelam> > > > > > On 21 March 2010 16:15, kiran.rama kiran.rama wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All,> > > > (1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?> > E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better aspects than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.> > > > My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always throw out positive energy.> > Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect the quality of results from the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house that it occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.> > > > In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.> > > > (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer will not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome Jupiterian energy> > > > Thanks> > Kiran> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________> What does Budget 2010 mean for you? Catch all the latest news, updates and analysis on MSN Budget Special> http://news.in.msn.com/moneyspecial/budget2010>

March 25, 2010

Hi Answers to your questions:1. No, Ju aspects will be benefic aspects - So aspect to 6H will be benefic2. As said above, answer is no - aspects will be benefic3. Ju aspect to 4H will not be benefic as 4H is capricorn - sign where it is debilitated. Capricorn will not welcome Jupiterian energy4. Ju is the 6H Lord aspecting own house -> This is good for the 6H. Further 6HL is exaltedKe in 6H is good for some issues - e.g: Jupiter aspecting 6H as 6HL will mean fewer enemies and lesser diseases/debts; Ke in 6H will mean if any enemies victory over them eventuallyRemember 6H is an upachaya house and malefic energy is welcomed in the 6HThanksKiran--- On Tue, 23/3/10, Life Life <lovewhatyoudoanddowhatyoulove wrote:Life Life <lovewhatyoudoanddowhatyouloveRe: Does a planet in its own sign throw better aspects?"Kiran R" <kiran.ramaTuesday, 23 March, 2010, 12:52 PMKiran jiThank you for your reply, i am putting this question because i came across a chart wherein this situation is applicable and i am also trying to study the practical aspect of your sharing.Ju is in 10H in Cancer, is not aspected by any other planet, but you mentioned that it's exaltation does not affect it's aspect and further for

the aspect the association does not make any difference then why do you now say on the position and aspect on the position.Now my question is:-1) With Ju being in cancer change the nature of the aspect to the 6H?2) Since Ju is a functional Malefic(Libra Lagna) does this change the benefic aspect to the 2H and the 6H.3) From it's position Ju would aspect Capricorn and the 4H, how should this be considered.4) 6H is

also owned by Ju so now(this was my original question), with Ju in cancer, aspecting 6H, exalted, what would be the results for a individual in this situation.Please note that Ke is present in 6H and no other planet aspects 6H.It would be a good learning if you can throw some light.Thank youregardsRoshni--- On Mon, 22/3/10, Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote:Kiran R <kiran.ramaRe: Does a planet in its own sign throw better aspects?"lovewhatyoudoanddowhatyoulove" <lovewhatyoudoanddowhatyouloveMonday, 22 March, 2010, 5:15 PMIt will also depend on which house Ju is in.For aspect alone, Ju aspect on 6H is a benefic aspect.now for 6H results, it will also depend on the house Ju is posited, the planets aspecting 6H, planets aspecting Ju as well planets posited in 6H--- On Mon, 22/3/10, lovewhatyoudoanddowhatyoulove <lovewhatyoudoanddowhatyoulove wrote:lovewhatyoudoanddowhatyoulove <lovewhatyoudoanddowhatyouloveRe: Does a planet in its own sign throw better aspects?"kiran.rama"

<kiran.ramaMonday, 22 March, 2010, 3:59 PMKiranjiJust to clarify what would be the impact if jupiter owns the 6H and also

aspects the same, will

this be good for the 6H and the individual?? ownership would tend to expand the aspect(as you say will be benefic ).Now do the debts/prone to accidents/ disease increase / enemies or how do we see this.with respectRoshni , "kiran.rama" <kiran.rama wrote:>> Ju aspect on 6H will be a benefic aspect for the 6H - however significations of the houses that Ju lords will suffer>> So Ju aspect on 6H will mean fewer diseases, fewer enemies, attention to details (6H is the house of details), lesser litigation, tendency to be charged etc.>> However other factors like 6HL, karaka for 6H will also matter>> Ju aspect on 6H is a benefic aspect for the person. It will not mean that the 6H

results will be enhanced>> I have been in oblivion for a few months reading about stuff. I maybe wrong - if so, please forgive and correct me>> My point is that irrespective of Ju being exalted/own house/debilitated; Ju will always throw benefic aspects and the intensity of the beneficity will not vary in either case.> However it will affect the houses it lords and the houses it posits in the normal way (exalted/own being good and debilitated meaning bad)>> Thanks> Kiran>> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> >> > Dear Kiran ji,> >> > What do you think about Jupiter's aspect on 6H?> > If it is benefic, it should enhance the results of 6H.Should it it not

cause> > debts, diseases, etc?> > How is it for the person concerned? How will you weigh the merits and> > demerits?> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> >> >> > On 21 March 2010 16:15, kiran.rama <kiran.rama@> wrote:> >> > >> > >> > > Hi All,> > >> > > (1) Does a planet in its own/exalted sign throw better aspects?> > > E.g: Say Jupiter is in Saggitarius (own sign), does it throw better aspects> > > than Jupiter in Capricorn (where it is debilitated.> > >> > > My answer is 'No'. Where Jupiter is placed has nothing to do with the> > > energy that it throws out. Jupiter being a great benefic will always throw> > > out positive energy.> > > Exaltation/Own SIgn/Debilitation will affect

the quality of results from> > > the houses that Jupiter owns in the specific chart and the house that it> > > occupies and the results from planets conjunct with it.> > >> > > In a chart interpretation, we have to take Jupiter aspect as +ve> > > irrespective of Jupiter's house placement.> > >> > > (2) However Jupiter's aspect onto its debilitation sign e.g: Cancer will> > > not be as powerful as the sign of Capricorn does not welcome Jupiterian> > > energy> > >> > > Thanks> > > Kiran> > >> > >> > >> >>

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Dear Kiran ji,

Namaste.

//4. Ju is the 6H Lord aspecting own house -> This is good for the 6H. Further

6HL is exalted

Ke in 6H is good for some issues - e.g: Jupiter aspecting 6H as 6HL will mean

fewer enemies and lesser diseases/debts; Ke in 6H will mean if any enemies

victory over them eventually

Remember 6H is an upachaya house and malefic energy is welcomed in the 6H//

Sorry Kiranji, I cant agree with you here. Lord of Bhava aspecting his own bhava

is good for delivering the significance of the bhava.

Significance of 6H (Bhava) is conflict, enemity, loans(debts), service to

others, accidents, thefts and actue illnesses.

Jupiter as 6L has to deliver that agenda. Being an expansionist planet, it will

increase all the significated, so enemies will increase. As Jupiter is by nature

a benefic planet, it would try to overcome enemies by befriending them. Same

with increased debts and borrowings and illnesses related to liver and obesity

etc.

Ketu gives accidents/surgery but will destroy enemies through sudden and

unexpected means/ways (being a chaya graha)

I hope you will see this in positive light, and not take it directed to you

personally.

warmest regards

Sheevani

, Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote:

>

> Hi

>

> Answers to your questions:

> 1. No, Ju aspects will be benefic aspects - So aspect to 6H will be benefic

> 2. As said above, answer is no - aspects will be benefic

> 3. Ju aspect to 4H will not be benefic as 4H is capricorn - sign where it is

debilitated. Capricorn will not welcome Jupiterian energy

> 4. Ju is the 6H Lord aspecting own house -> This is good for the 6H. Further

6HL is exalted

> Ke in 6H is good for some issues - e.g: Jupiter aspecting 6H as 6HL will mean

fewer enemies and lesser diseases/debts; Ke in 6H will mean if any enemies

victory over them eventually

> Remember 6H is an upachaya house and malefic energy is welcomed in the 6H

>

> Thanks