Guest guest Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Dear Rao Ji,If any prominent event of the life will not be reflected in yearly chart, there is no reason to refer them. These charts are studied along with birth charts.MR. P.S.Iyer of PALGHAT kerla ,explained me in detail in early 80's that the yearly charts based on SOLI-lunar year gives much reliable results.it is my impression that you do not give VIMSOTTARI DASA ITS DUE IMPORTANCE.BPHSwritten many chapter on this dasa alone.I may be wrong. Further , a in depth study is requiredof such karika's as Laghu and Madya Parasari.He met accident in the dasa of Rahu placed in 11H, which is eighth from 11H. Antardasa was of Sunwhich is lord of 9H (6H from 4th) Sun is placed in 12H with Mars karka of accidents.Further,Sun in placed in 2H from Rahu , a marka place from Rahu. Even more Sun is the lord of another Marka house from Rahu. It was writing on the wall that he would certainly met with some serious accident in Rahu/Sun period.BPHS'S CHAPTER 55 ON MAJOR PERIOD OF RAHU SAYS SO.LAGHU PARASARI'S Verses 36 37 ,27 AND 39may be refered:Verse 36-If Rahu is placed in Shubh houses , even benefic planet not having sambandha with noded . will get benefic results according to sub- dasa lord.Verse 37- In the sub-period of benefic lord , the native will get unauspicious results in the dasa of malefic planets.Verse 27 - says MALEFIC PLANET'S DASA MAY ALSO PROBE DEATH INFLICTING.VERSE 39- Even dasa of marka planet does not kill in sub-period of benefic planet/ This is the reason that I slightly rectifird the birth time and accident was self-evident and not the death.Jupiter is 4H lord and on the last degree of sign and in MARKA HOUSE FROM DASA LORD.Jupiter DASA WAS NOT RUNNING . HIS PRYANTAR DASA WAS RUNNING. DASA AND ANTARDASA LORDALWAYS PLANS THE EVENT AND EXCUTION IS ARRANGED IN SUB-SUB PERIOD.There is a dictum that week Lagna lord can give accident.I was giving reply to matured astrological group and was not teaching in the class.Wasit necessary to explain all these details.Surely he must be running . Rahu/Sun / Jup/Jup/Jup.This is the reason that Jupiter could not give protection as per rule given in verse 29 of Laghu Parasari.In chart 20 , given in your book Vedic Astrology , a bad event had occurred in Jupiter/Moon period which is self evident if we follow the rules given in Madya PARASARI. Moon obtainedGemini Navamsa occupied by ketu and placed in 8H.Moon will give set back in marriageaccording to well defined rules in Madhya Parasari.I am a fan of VIMSOTTARI DASA.BESR REGARDS,G. K. Goel JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; From: pvrDate: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:10:35 -0400 TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) Namaste, Let us look at the Tithi Pravesha chart of 2008-09 for the birthdata given by Partha below. Using standard SJC teachings, annual TP chart is cast for 2008 November 20, 8:24:12 pm (IST), New Delhi. Jupiter's Tithi Ashtottari dasa gave the accident. Jupiter is the 7th and 10th lord in 7th in moolatrikona, joined by the 5th lord and giving a raja yoga. Why did he have a major accident in Jupiter dasa, be bed-ridden for 3 months and why did his career suffer? Though one can justify any event with any chart or any dasa or any technique by seeing shapes in clouds and beating around the bush, I honestly could not have seen that event in Jupiter dasa in that chart. * * * Now, note that Partha was born on *Margasira* Krishna Navami with Sun in Sc. In the TP chart above, Sun is in Sc again, but the tithi is *Karthika* Krishna Navami. Though solar month has been preserved, soli-lunar month (which is the basis for tithis!!!) has not been preserved. If you make a TP chart strictly using soli-lunar calendar (instead of mixing up soli-lunar days with solar months as taught by Sanjay ji), you will get the annual TP chart on 2008 December 20, 10:02:13 am (IST), New Delhi. That happens to be Margasira Krishna Navami, though Sun is in Sg. In fact, his lunar birthday is celebrated on that day in tradition! In this chart, Cp rises. Three planets are in the 12th house, whether you use SJC reckoning or the house reckoning I recommend. The 12th lord Jupiter is debilitated and with Rahu. This explains being bed-ridden much better. Saturn is in the 8th house in D-1 and D-30 and the accident occurred in his dasa as per both annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa and annual Vimsottari dasa. * * * There is no comparison. This chart explains the events on the ground much better than the version of TP chart given by Sanjay ji's teachings. If you see a TP chart not explaining events well, please try the TP chart based strictly on soli-lunar months ("Preferences", "Related to calculations", "Tithi Prevesha Calculation Options" in JHora). The default in JHora is Sanjay ji's teaching. As I mentioned before, Sanjay ji was not sure in 1998-99 whether solar or soli-lunar months should be used in TP. He honestly told that to me and asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar month based TP. The result of my research is that solar months should not be mixed up and soli-lunar months should be used. Best regards, Narasimha ------------------------- Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, "Do It Yourself" ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings ------------------------- sohamsa , Partha Sarathy <partvinu wrote: > Hi All, > > I had an accident last year because of which was bedridden for three months. You > can use either Narayana dasa or vimshottari to analyse the event for everybody's > benefit. > Transits can also be used. > > Event: June 11, 2009, 4:45 AM, chennai > > Birth particular > 15/december/1976 > Time: 8 :30 AM > PLace: New Delhi, > > Regards > Partha > Dear Goel Sir, > > Thank you. Honestly, i was expecting good last year, but everything > went from bad to worse, no salary for months, bad treatment at office > compounded matters. > Anyways, i am waiting for Jupiter dasa, atleast he should provide some > relief to the nonsense i am facing since 17 years. > > Regards > Partha All the latest on four wheels and more Get it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Namaste Goel ji,  But TP itself can work as a stand alone technique, no?  -Regards  Rajarshi --- On Tue, 23/3/10, gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote: gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel RE: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) , vedic astrology , Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 3:56 PM  Dear Rao Ji, If any prominent event of the life will not be reflected in yearly chart, there is no reason to refer them. These charts are studied along with birth charts. MR. P.S.Iyer of PALGHAT kerla ,explained me in detail in early 80's that the yearly charts based on SOLI-lunar year gives much reliable results. it is my impression that you do not give VIMSOTTARI DASA ITS DUE IMPORTANCE.BPHS written many chapter on this dasa alone.I may be wrong. Further , a in depth study is required of such karika's as Laghu and Madya Parasari. He met accident in the dasa of Rahu placed in 11H, which is eighth from 11H. Antardasa was of Sun which is lord of 9H (6H from 4th) Sun is placed in 12H with Mars karka of accidents.Further, Sun in placed in 2H from Rahu , a marka place from Rahu. Even more Sun is the lord of another Marka house from Rahu. It was writing on the wall that he would certainly met with some serious accident in Rahu/Sun period.BPHS' S CHAPTER 55 ON MAJOR PERIOD OF RAHU SAYS SO. LAGHU PARASARI'S Verses 36 37 ,27 AND 39may be refered: Verse 36-If Rahu is placed in Shubh houses , even benefic planet not having sambandha with noded . will get benefic results according to sub- dasa lord. Verse 37- In the sub-period of benefic lord , the native will get unauspicious results in the dasa of malefic planets. Verse 27 - says MALEFIC PLANET'S DASA MAY ALSO PROBE DEATH INFLICTING. VERSE 39- Even dasa of marka planet does not kill in sub-period of benefic planet/ This is the reason that I slightly rectifird the birth time and accident was self-evident and not the death. Jupiter is 4H lord and on the last degree of sign and in MARKA HOUSE FROM DASA LORD. Jupiter DASA WAS NOT RUNNING . HIS PRYANTAR DASA WAS RUNNING. DASA AND ANTARDASA LORD ALWAYS PLANS THE EVENT AND EXCUTION IS ARRANGED IN SUB-SUB PERIOD. There is a dictum that week Lagna lord can give accident. I was giving reply to matured astrological group and was not teaching in the class.Was it necessary to explain all these details.Surely he must be running . Rahu/Sun / Jup/Jup/Jup. This is the reason that Jupiter could not give protection as per rule given in verse 29 of Laghu Parasari. In chart 20 , given in your book Vedic Astrology , a bad event had occurred in Jupiter/Moon period which is self evident if we follow the rules given in Madya PARASARI. Moon obtained Gemini Navamsa occupied by ketu and placed in 8H.Moon will give set back in marriage according to well defined rules in Madhya Parasari. I am a fan of VIMSOTTARI DASA. BESR REGARDS, G. K. Goel JyotishWritings; vedic astrology; pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:10:35 -0400 TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) Namaste, Let us look at the Tithi Pravesha chart of 2008-09 for the birthdata given by Partha below. Using standard SJC teachings, annual TP chart is cast for 2008 November 20, 8:24:12 pm (IST), New Delhi. Jupiter's Tithi Ashtottari dasa gave the accident. Jupiter is the 7th and 10th lord in 7th in moolatrikona, joined by the 5th lord and giving a raja yoga. Why did he have a major accident in Jupiter dasa, be bed-ridden for 3 months and why did his career suffer? Though one can justify any event with any chart or any dasa or any technique by seeing shapes in clouds and beating around the bush, I honestly could not have seen that event in Jupiter dasa in that chart. * * * Now, note that Partha was born on *Margasira* Krishna Navami with Sun in Sc. In the TP chart above, Sun is in Sc again, but the tithi is *Karthika* Krishna Navami. Though solar month has been preserved, soli-lunar month (which is the basis for tithis!!!) has not been preserved. If you make a TP chart strictly using soli-lunar calendar (instead of mixing up soli-lunar days with solar months as taught by Sanjay ji), you will get the annual TP chart on 2008 December 20, 10:02:13 am (IST), New Delhi. That happens to be Margasira Krishna Navami, though Sun is in Sg. In fact, his lunar birthday is celebrated on that day in tradition! In this chart, Cp rises. Three planets are in the 12th house, whether you use SJC reckoning or the house reckoning I recommend. The 12th lord Jupiter is debilitated and with Rahu. This explains being bed-ridden much better. Saturn is in the 8th house in D-1 and D-30 and the accident occurred in his dasa as per both annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa and annual Vimsottari dasa. * * * There is no comparison. This chart explains the events on the ground much better than the version of TP chart given by Sanjay ji's teachings. If you see a TP chart not explaining events well, please try the TP chart based strictly on soli-lunar months ( " Preferences " , " Related to calculations " , " Tithi Prevesha Calculation Options " in JHora). The default in JHora is Sanjay ji's teaching. As I mentioned before, Sanjay ji was not sure in 1998-99 whether solar or soli-lunar months should be used in TP. He honestly told that to me and asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar month based TP. The result of my research is that solar months should not be mixed up and soli-lunar months should be used. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - sohamsa@ .com, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@.. .> wrote: > Hi All, > > I had an accident last year because of which was bedridden for three months. You > can use either Narayana dasa or vimshottari to analyse the event for everybody's > benefit. > Transits can also be used. > > Event: June 11, 2009, 4:45 AM, chennai > > Birth particular > 15/december/ 1976 > Time: 8 :30 AM > PLace: New Delhi, > > Regards > Partha > Dear Goel Sir, > > Thank you. Honestly, i was expecting good last year, but everything > went from bad to worse, no salary for months, bad treatment at office > compounded matters. > Anyways, i am waiting for Jupiter dasa, atleast he should provide some > relief to the nonsense i am facing since 17 years. > > Regards > Partha ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ The latest songs, trailers and more http://video. in.msn.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Namaste Goel saab, The issue is NOT whether natal Vimsottari dasa shows the event or not. The issue is whether annual TP chart shows it or not. The native in question had an accident and was bed-ridden for 3 months. The annual TP chart (using solar months) does not show it at all. If one says, " the event happened even though annual TP chart does not shows it, because natal Vimsottari dasa shows it " , what is the point in even using annual TP charts? I agree that no technique works in a vacuum and with 100% accuracy. But, any good technique cannot be so badly off. It has to show an event to some degree or the other. The exact degree to which an event happens is cumulatively decided by many factors. But each good factor has to show the event to some degree or the other. As I showed, by using soli-lunar months to make annual TP chart, you can see that 12th lord Jupiter was debilitated and with Rahu and there were afflictions in 12th, explaining the problem with foot. Dasa of a planet in 8th in rasi and D-30 gave the accident. Annual TP chart explains the event quite well. If one sticks to a wrong definition of annual TP chart, one will occasionally have to abandon it and take recourse to Vimsottari dasa. * * * As I said earlier, people do celebrate their soli-lunar birthday based on soli-lunar month. For example, Lord Rama's birthday is celebrated on the Sukla Navami tithi of *Chaitra* months and not the Sukla Navami tithi of a specific solar month (Meena or Mesha). Sun may be in Meena sometimes and Mesha sometimes, on Sri Rama Navami. Same thing with the birthdays of individuals. Same thing with annual TP chart. * * * Even Sanjay ji was not sure in late 1998 whether solar months or soli-lunar months should be used. He asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar months. The theorization that Sun, the soul, provides the anchor and hence Sun should be in the same sign and be the same Aaditya, was popularized. But deriving methods based on theorization and then trying to justify them practically is like putting the bullock cart in front of the bullock. Bullock should drive the cart and not the other way around. Methods should be derived and confirmed based on practical working. One can after all theorize *anything*. Principles should never be determined on the basis of theorization alone. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote: > Dear Rao Ji, > If any prominent event of the life will not be reflected in yearly chart, there is no reason > to refer them. These charts are studied along with birth charts. > MR. P.S.Iyer of PALGHAT kerla ,explained me in detail in early 80's that the yearly charts based on SOLI-lunar year gives much reliable results. > it is my impression that you do not give VIMSOTTARI DASA ITS DUE IMPORTANCE.BPHS > written many chapter on this dasa alone.I may be wrong. Further , a in depth study is required > of such karika's as Laghu and Madya Parasari. > He met accident in the dasa of Rahu placed in 11H, which is eighth from 11H. Antardasa was of Sun > which is lord of 9H (6H from 4th) Sun is placed in 12H with Mars karka of accidents.Further, > Sun in placed in 2H from Rahu , a marka place from Rahu. Even more Sun is the lord of another Marka house from Rahu. It was writing on the wall that he would certainly met with some serious accident > in Rahu/Sun period.BPHS'S CHAPTER 55 ON MAJOR PERIOD OF RAHU SAYS SO. > LAGHU PARASARI'S Verses 36 37 ,27 AND 39may be refered: > Verse 36-If Rahu is placed in Shubh houses , even benefic planet not having sambandha with noded . will get benefic results according to sub- dasa lord. > Verse 37- In the sub-period of benefic lord , the native will get unauspicious results in the dasa of > malefic planets. > Verse 27 - says MALEFIC PLANET'S DASA MAY ALSO PROBE DEATH INFLICTING. > VERSE 39- Even dasa of marka planet does not kill in sub-period of benefic planet/ > > This is the reason that I slightly rectifird the birth time and accident was self-evident and not the death. > Jupiter is 4H lord and on the last degree of sign and in MARKA HOUSE FROM DASA LORD. > Jupiter DASA WAS NOT RUNNING . HIS PRYANTAR DASA WAS RUNNING. DASA AND ANTARDASA LORD > ALWAYS PLANS THE EVENT AND EXCUTION IS ARRANGED IN SUB-SUB PERIOD. > There is a dictum that week Lagna lord can give accident. > I was giving reply to matured astrological group and was not teaching in the class.Was > it necessary to explain all these details.Surely he must be running . Rahu/Sun / Jup/Jup/Jup.This is the reason that Jupiter could not give protection as per rule given in verse 29 of Laghu Parasari. > > In chart 20 , given in your book Vedic Astrology , a bad event had occurred in Jupiter/Moon > period which is self evident if we follow the rules given in Madya PARASARI. Moon obtained > Gemini Navamsa occupied by ketu and placed in 8H.Moon will give set back in marriage > according to well defined rules in Madhya Parasari. > I am a fan of VIMSOTTARI DASA. > BESR REGARDS, > > > G. K. Goel > > JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; > pvr > Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:10:35 -0400 > TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > Namaste, > > > > Let us look at the Tithi Pravesha chart of 2008-09 for the birthdata given by Partha below. Using standard SJC teachings, annual TP chart is cast for 2008 November 20, 8:24:12 pm (IST), New Delhi. Jupiter's Tithi Ashtottari dasa gave the accident. Jupiter is the 7th and 10th lord in 7th in moolatrikona, joined by the 5th lord and giving a raja yoga. Why did he have a major accident in Jupiter dasa, be bed-ridden for 3 months and why did his career suffer? > > > > Though one can justify any event with any chart or any dasa or any technique by seeing shapes in clouds and beating around the bush, I honestly could not have seen that event in Jupiter dasa in that chart. > > > > * * * > > > > Now, note that Partha was born on *Margasira* Krishna Navami with Sun in Sc. In the TP chart above, Sun is in Sc again, but the tithi is *Karthika* Krishna Navami. Though solar month has been preserved, soli-lunar month (which is the basis for tithis!!!) has not been preserved. > > > > If you make a TP chart strictly using soli-lunar calendar (instead of mixing up soli-lunar days with solar months as taught by Sanjay ji), you will get the annual TP chart on 2008 December 20, 10:02:13 am (IST), New Delhi. That happens to be Margasira Krishna Navami, though Sun is in Sg. In fact, his lunar birthday is celebrated on that day in tradition! > > > > In this chart, Cp rises. Three planets are in the 12th house, whether you use SJC reckoning or the house reckoning I recommend. The 12th lord Jupiter is debilitated and with Rahu. This explains being bed-ridden much better. Saturn is in the 8th house in D-1 and D-30 and the accident occurred in his dasa as per both annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa and annual Vimsottari dasa. > > > > * * * > > > > There is no comparison. This chart explains the events on the ground much better than the version of TP chart given by Sanjay ji's teachings. If you see a TP chart not explaining events well, please try the TP chart based strictly on soli-lunar months ( " Preferences " , " Related to calculations " , " Tithi Prevesha Calculation Options " in JHora). The default in JHora is Sanjay ji's teaching. > > > > As I mentioned before, Sanjay ji was not sure in 1998-99 whether solar or soli-lunar months should be used in TP. He honestly told that to me and asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar month based TP. The result of my research is that solar months should not be mixed up and soli-lunar months should be used. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------- > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Spirituality: > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > ------------------------- > > > > sohamsa , Partha Sarathy <partvinu@> wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I had an accident last year because of which was bedridden for three months. You > > > can use either Narayana dasa or vimshottari to analyse the event for everybody's > > > benefit. > > > Transits can also be used. > > > > > > Event: June 11, 2009, 4:45 AM, chennai > > > > > > Birth particular > > > 15/december/1976 > > > Time: 8 :30 AM > > > PLace: New Delhi, > > > > > > Regards > > > Partha > > > > > Dear Goel Sir, > > > > > > Thank you. Honestly, i was expecting good last year, but everything > > > went from bad to worse, no salary for months, bad treatment at office > > > compounded matters. > > > Anyways, i am waiting for Jupiter dasa, atleast he should provide some > > > relief to the nonsense i am facing since 17 years. > > > > > > Regards > > > Partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 The Tithi Pravesha Chakra of 2008-09 clearly shows the event if we are prepared to look for it. All standard jyotish rules must be used in the Tithi Pravesh charts as taught by me in the past at SJC and in particular to Narasimha. Rashi TP 2008 Navamsha TP 2008 1.. Natal Chart of Partha Sarathy has Dhanus Lagna while the TP 2008-09 has Mithuna Lagna which is not only the maraka bhava but also the badhaka bhava for the chart. Therefore in the year 2008-09 mixed results will prevail with the 7th house indicating the events to come. 2.. Lagnesha Mercury is in the 6th house of accidents and suffering and is severely afflicted by two agni tattva planets Mars and Sun. This shows astra-aghata and will surely bring operation or cutting of the body if other factors also indicate so. 3.. Jupiter is the badhakesha of the chart and is well placed in own sign in Hamsa yoga with mantresha Shukra indicating a period when he shall have lot of time to do mantra japa. However the manner in which this will come about may not be good as Jupiter is in badhaka sign as badhakesh and is in Ghataka Nakshatra from Simha rashi [Purva Ashadha is ghataka for Simha]. The Moon is another maraka and is afflicted by Saturn. Now both Saturn and Jupiter, the two tormentors of the Moon as 8th lord (Sat) and badhaka in ghataka nakshatra (Jup) are in Scorpio Navamsha. Thus, Jupiter is in Roga-amsha I.e. navamsha of the sign in the 6th house of the rashi chart and as per Rasi-Tulya-Amsha, Jupiter will indicate accidents and such other adverse results. 4.. Further, Jupiter is under severe papa-kartari yoga between Mars and Sun on the one side and Rahu in the 8th house , on the other side. 5.. There is unbroken Kala Sarpa Yoga working on this chart for the year 2008-09 along the Rudra Axis = 2-8th house axis which is very dangerous. There is no breakage at all for the KSY and the native will have to suffer it. Timing of the event a.. Tithi Ashtottari Dasha: The event happened exactly when the maraka (7th) bhava functioned in Jupiter dasha-Venus antardasa having the papa-kartari yoga. b.. Narayana Dasha: Exactly on the date Virgo dasha started with Mandi in it in Sagittarius antardasha. In the Navamsha, Virgo is 7th house with Mars in MKS and Sagittarius has Ketu showing accidents. In D1, we have already seen how Sg is geared for the event due to the Papa kartari Yoga. c.. Vimsottari dasa: (Personally I like this dasha very much). Jupiter dasha Saturn antardasha. See the arguments to the Moon affliction. Any affliction to the Moon will surely bring health related issues. So how can we say that the TP chart is not right or not working. On the other hand what is being suggested as a modification is that the Lunar months alone be used. If that be so, then people born in Adhika/Mala maasa will actually have birthdays falling in every few years unless we stretch the rules to accommodate them in the regular Lunar months. The traditional system, as I have learnt it, requires the Sun to be the same as *Sarvaatma Divakara - Sun is the representation of the soul and this cannot change in one body*. This is the Aditya who brings us to this planet and is responsible for us continued existence. We have to respect its boundaries - these are of 30 degrees each. So, if I am born with the Sun in Cancer, it must remain so. In fact the Greek Astrology [Tajika jyotish] uses this in a very strict manner in which the (1) Sun is brought back to the exact degree-minute of longitude for Annual returns. However, we in Vedic use (1) Sun return to the same sign instead of exact degree and (2) Sun-Moon angle = Tithi and Karana to be the same. What Narasimha is suggesting is to drop (1) Sun factor altogether and only use factor (2). No harm in testing this, but one must use standard jyotish rules to test the validity of the traditional system before replacing it with a new one. Regards Sanjay Rath Narasimha PVR Rao Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:51 AM vedic astrology ; ; JyotishWritings [vedic astrology] Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) Namaste Goel saab, The issue is NOT whether natal Vimsottari dasa shows the event or not. The issue is whether annual TP chart shows it or not. The native in question had an accident and was bed-ridden for 3 months. The annual TP chart (using solar months) does not show it at all. If one says, " the event happened even though annual TP chart does not shows it, because natal Vimsottari dasa shows it " , what is the point in even using annual TP charts? I agree that no technique works in a vacuum and with 100% accuracy. But, any good technique cannot be so badly off. It has to show an event to some degree or the other. The exact degree to which an event happens is cumulatively decided by many factors. But each good factor has to show the event to some degree or the other. As I showed, by using soli-lunar months to make annual TP chart, you can see that 12th lord Jupiter was debilitated and with Rahu and there were afflictions in 12th, explaining the problem with foot. Dasa of a planet in 8th in rasi and D-30 gave the accident. Annual TP chart explains the event quite well. If one sticks to a wrong definition of annual TP chart, one will occasionally have to abandon it and take recourse to Vimsottari dasa. * * * As I said earlier, people do celebrate their soli-lunar birthday based on soli-lunar month. For example, Lord Rama's birthday is celebrated on the Sukla Navami tithi of *Chaitra* months and not the Sukla Navami tithi of a specific solar month (Meena or Mesha). Sun may be in Meena sometimes and Mesha sometimes, on Sri Rama Navami. Same thing with the birthdays of individuals. Same thing with annual TP chart. * * * Even Sanjay ji was not sure in late 1998 whether solar months or soli-lunar months should be used. He asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar months. The theorization that Sun, the soul, provides the anchor and hence Sun should be in the same sign and be the same Aaditya, was popularized. But deriving methods based on theorization and then trying to justify them practically is like putting the bullock cart in front of the bullock. Bullock should drive the cart and not the other way around. Methods should be derived and confirmed based on practical working. One can after all theorize *anything*. Principles should never be determined on the basis of theorization alone. Best regards, Narasimha ------------------------- Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings ------------------------- , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote: > Dear Rao Ji, > If any prominent event of the life will not be reflected in yearly chart, there is no reason > to refer them. These charts are studied along with birth charts. > MR. P.S.Iyer of PALGHAT kerla ,explained me in detail in early 80's that the yearly charts based on SOLI-lunar year gives much reliable results. > it is my impression that you do not give VIMSOTTARI DASA ITS DUE IMPORTANCE.BPHS > written many chapter on this dasa alone.I may be wrong. Further , a in depth study is required > of such karika's as Laghu and Madya Parasari. > He met accident in the dasa of Rahu placed in 11H, which is eighth from 11H. Antardasa was of Sun > which is lord of 9H (6H from 4th) Sun is placed in 12H with Mars karka of accidents.Further, > Sun in placed in 2H from Rahu , a marka place from Rahu. Even more Sun is the lord of another Marka house from Rahu. It was writing on the wall that he would certainly met with some serious accident > in Rahu/Sun period.BPHS'S CHAPTER 55 ON MAJOR PERIOD OF RAHU SAYS SO. > LAGHU PARASARI'S Verses 36 37 ,27 AND 39may be refered: > Verse 36-If Rahu is placed in Shubh houses , even benefic planet not having sambandha with noded . will get benefic results according to sub- dasa lord. > Verse 37- In the sub-period of benefic lord , the native will get unauspicious results in the dasa of > malefic planets. > Verse 27 - says MALEFIC PLANET'S DASA MAY ALSO PROBE DEATH INFLICTING. > VERSE 39- Even dasa of marka planet does not kill in sub-period of benefic planet/ > > This is the reason that I slightly rectifird the birth time and accident was self-evident and not the death. > Jupiter is 4H lord and on the last degree of sign and in MARKA HOUSE FROM DASA LORD. > Jupiter DASA WAS NOT RUNNING . HIS PRYANTAR DASA WAS RUNNING. DASA AND ANTARDASA LORD > ALWAYS PLANS THE EVENT AND EXCUTION IS ARRANGED IN SUB-SUB PERIOD. > There is a dictum that week Lagna lord can give accident. > I was giving reply to matured astrological group and was not teaching in the class.Was > it necessary to explain all these details.Surely he must be running . Rahu/Sun / Jup/Jup/Jup.This is the reason that Jupiter could not give protection as per rule given in verse 29 of Laghu Parasari. > > In chart 20 , given in your book Vedic Astrology , a bad event had occurred in Jupiter/Moon > period which is self evident if we follow the rules given in Madya PARASARI. Moon obtained > Gemini Navamsa occupied by ketu and placed in 8H.Moon will give set back in marriage > according to well defined rules in Madhya Parasari. > I am a fan of VIMSOTTARI DASA. > BESR REGARDS, > > > G. K. Goel > > JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; > pvr > Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:10:35 -0400 > TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > Namaste, > > > > Let us look at the Tithi Pravesha chart of 2008-09 for the birthdata given by Partha below. Using standard SJC teachings, annual TP chart is cast for 2008 November 20, 8:24:12 pm (IST), New Delhi. Jupiter's Tithi Ashtottari dasa gave the accident. Jupiter is the 7th and 10th lord in 7th in moolatrikona, joined by the 5th lord and giving a raja yoga. Why did he have a major accident in Jupiter dasa, be bed-ridden for 3 months and why did his career suffer? > > > > Though one can justify any event with any chart or any dasa or any technique by seeing shapes in clouds and beating around the bush, I honestly could not have seen that event in Jupiter dasa in that chart. > > > > * * * > > > > Now, note that Partha was born on *Margasira* Krishna Navami with Sun in Sc. In the TP chart above, Sun is in Sc again, but the tithi is *Karthika* Krishna Navami. Though solar month has been preserved, soli-lunar month (which is the basis for tithis!!!) has not been preserved. > > > > If you make a TP chart strictly using soli-lunar calendar (instead of mixing up soli-lunar days with solar months as taught by Sanjay ji), you will get the annual TP chart on 2008 December 20, 10:02:13 am (IST), New Delhi. That happens to be Margasira Krishna Navami, though Sun is in Sg. In fact, his lunar birthday is celebrated on that day in tradition! > > > > In this chart, Cp rises. Three planets are in the 12th house, whether you use SJC reckoning or the house reckoning I recommend. The 12th lord Jupiter is debilitated and with Rahu. This explains being bed-ridden much better. Saturn is in the 8th house in D-1 and D-30 and the accident occurred in his dasa as per both annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa and annual Vimsottari dasa. > > > > * * * > > > > There is no comparison. This chart explains the events on the ground much better than the version of TP chart given by Sanjay ji's teachings. If you see a TP chart not explaining events well, please try the TP chart based strictly on soli-lunar months ( " Preferences " , " Related to calculations " , " Tithi Prevesha Calculation Options " in JHora). The default in JHora is Sanjay ji's teaching. > > > > As I mentioned before, Sanjay ji was not sure in 1998-99 whether solar or soli-lunar months should be used in TP. He honestly told that to me and asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar month based TP. The result of my research is that solar months should not be mixed up and soli-lunar months should be used. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------- > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Spirituality: > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > ------------------------- > > > > sohamsa , Partha Sarathy <partvinu@> wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I had an accident last year because of which was bedridden for three months. You > > > can use either Narayana dasa or vimshottari to analyse the event for everybody's > > > benefit. > > > Transits can also be used. > > > > > > Event: June 11, 2009, 4:45 AM, chennai > > > > > > Birth particular > > > 15/december/1976 > > > Time: 8 :30 AM > > > PLace: New Delhi, > > > > > > Regards > > > Partha > > > > > Dear Goel Sir, > > > > > > Thank you. Honestly, i was expecting good last year, but everything > > > went from bad to worse, no salary for months, bad treatment at office > > > compounded matters. > > > Anyways, i am waiting for Jupiter dasa, atleast he should provide some > > > relief to the nonsense i am facing since 17 years. > > > > > > Regards > > > Partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Namaste Goel saab, The issue is NOT whether natal Vimsottari dasa shows the event or not. The issue is whether annual TP chart shows it or not. The native in question had an accident and was bed-ridden for 3 months. The annual TP chart (using solar months) does not show it at all. If one says, " the event happened even though annual TP chart does not shows it, because natal Vimsottari dasa shows it " , what is the point in even using annual TP charts? I agree that no technique works in a vacuum and with 100% accuracy. But, any good technique cannot be so badly off. It has to show an event to some degree or the other. The exact degree to which an event happens is cumulatively decided by many factors. But each good factor has to show the event to some degree or the other. As I showed, by using soli-lunar months to make annual TP chart, you can see that 12th lord Jupiter was debilitated and with Rahu and there were afflictions in 12th, explaining the problem with foot. Dasa of a planet in 8th in rasi and D-30 gave the accident. Annual TP chart explains the event quite well. If one sticks to a wrong definition of annual TP chart, one will occasionally have to abandon it and take recourse to Vimsottari dasa. * * * As I said earlier, people do celebrate their soli-lunar birthday based on soli-lunar month. For example, Lord Rama's birthday is celebrated on the Sukla Navami tithi of *Chaitra* months and not the Sukla Navami tithi of a specific solar month (Meena or Mesha). Sun may be in Meena sometimes and Mesha sometimes, on Sri Rama Navami. Same thing with the birthdays of individuals. Same thing with annual TP chart. * * * Even Sanjay ji was not sure in late 1998 whether solar months or soli-lunar months should be used. He asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar months. The theorization that Sun, the soul, provides the anchor and hence Sun should be in the same sign and be the same Aaditya, was popularized. But deriving methods based on theorization and then trying to justify them practically is like putting the bullock cart in front of the bullock. Bullock should drive the cart and not the other way around. Methods should be derived and confirmed based on practical working. One can after all theorize *anything*. Principles should never be determined on the basis of theorization alone. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote: > Dear Rao Ji, > If any prominent event of the life will not be reflected in yearly chart, there is no reason > to refer them. These charts are studied along with birth charts. > MR. P.S.Iyer of PALGHAT kerla ,explained me in detail in early 80's that the yearly charts based on SOLI-lunar year gives much reliable results. > it is my impression that you do not give VIMSOTTARI DASA ITS DUE IMPORTANCE.BPHS > written many chapter on this dasa alone.I may be wrong. Further , a in depth study is required > of such karika's as Laghu and Madya Parasari. > He met accident in the dasa of Rahu placed in 11H, which is eighth from 11H. Antardasa was of Sun > which is lord of 9H (6H from 4th) Sun is placed in 12H with Mars karka of accidents.Further, > Sun in placed in 2H from Rahu , a marka place from Rahu. Even more Sun is the lord of another Marka house from Rahu. It was writing on the wall that he would certainly met with some serious accident > in Rahu/Sun period.BPHS'S CHAPTER 55 ON MAJOR PERIOD OF RAHU SAYS SO. > LAGHU PARASARI'S Verses 36 37 ,27 AND 39may be refered: > Verse 36-If Rahu is placed in Shubh houses , even benefic planet not having sambandha with noded . will get benefic results according to sub- dasa lord. > Verse 37- In the sub-period of benefic lord , the native will get unauspicious results in the dasa of > malefic planets. > Verse 27 - says MALEFIC PLANET'S DASA MAY ALSO PROBE DEATH INFLICTING. > VERSE 39- Even dasa of marka planet does not kill in sub-period of benefic planet/ > > This is the reason that I slightly rectifird the birth time and accident was self-evident and not the death. > Jupiter is 4H lord and on the last degree of sign and in MARKA HOUSE FROM DASA LORD. > Jupiter DASA WAS NOT RUNNING . HIS PRYANTAR DASA WAS RUNNING. DASA AND ANTARDASA LORD > ALWAYS PLANS THE EVENT AND EXCUTION IS ARRANGED IN SUB-SUB PERIOD. > There is a dictum that week Lagna lord can give accident. > I was giving reply to matured astrological group and was not teaching in the class.Was > it necessary to explain all these details.Surely he must be running . Rahu/Sun / Jup/Jup/Jup.This is the reason that Jupiter could not give protection as per rule given in verse 29 of Laghu Parasari. > > In chart 20 , given in your book Vedic Astrology , a bad event had occurred in Jupiter/Moon > period which is self evident if we follow the rules given in Madya PARASARI. Moon obtained > Gemini Navamsa occupied by ketu and placed in 8H.Moon will give set back in marriage > according to well defined rules in Madhya Parasari. > I am a fan of VIMSOTTARI DASA. > BESR REGARDS, > > > G. K. Goel > > JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; > pvr > Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:10:35 -0400 > TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > Namaste, > > > > Let us look at the Tithi Pravesha chart of 2008-09 for the birthdata given by Partha below. Using standard SJC teachings, annual TP chart is cast for 2008 November 20, 8:24:12 pm (IST), New Delhi. Jupiter's Tithi Ashtottari dasa gave the accident. Jupiter is the 7th and 10th lord in 7th in moolatrikona, joined by the 5th lord and giving a raja yoga. Why did he have a major accident in Jupiter dasa, be bed-ridden for 3 months and why did his career suffer? > > > > Though one can justify any event with any chart or any dasa or any technique by seeing shapes in clouds and beating around the bush, I honestly could not have seen that event in Jupiter dasa in that chart. > > > > * * * > > > > Now, note that Partha was born on *Margasira* Krishna Navami with Sun in Sc. In the TP chart above, Sun is in Sc again, but the tithi is *Karthika* Krishna Navami. Though solar month has been preserved, soli-lunar month (which is the basis for tithis!!!) has not been preserved. > > > > If you make a TP chart strictly using soli-lunar calendar (instead of mixing up soli-lunar days with solar months as taught by Sanjay ji), you will get the annual TP chart on 2008 December 20, 10:02:13 am (IST), New Delhi. That happens to be Margasira Krishna Navami, though Sun is in Sg. In fact, his lunar birthday is celebrated on that day in tradition! > > > > In this chart, Cp rises. Three planets are in the 12th house, whether you use SJC reckoning or the house reckoning I recommend. The 12th lord Jupiter is debilitated and with Rahu. This explains being bed-ridden much better. Saturn is in the 8th house in D-1 and D-30 and the accident occurred in his dasa as per both annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa and annual Vimsottari dasa. > > > > * * * > > > > There is no comparison. This chart explains the events on the ground much better than the version of TP chart given by Sanjay ji's teachings. If you see a TP chart not explaining events well, please try the TP chart based strictly on soli-lunar months ( " Preferences " , " Related to calculations " , " Tithi Prevesha Calculation Options " in JHora). The default in JHora is Sanjay ji's teaching. > > > > As I mentioned before, Sanjay ji was not sure in 1998-99 whether solar or soli-lunar months should be used in TP. He honestly told that to me and asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar month based TP. The result of my research is that solar months should not be mixed up and soli-lunar months should be used. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------- > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Spirituality: > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > ------------------------- > > > > sohamsa , Partha Sarathy <partvinu@> wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I had an accident last year because of which was bedridden for three months. You > > > can use either Narayana dasa or vimshottari to analyse the event for everybody's > > > benefit. > > > Transits can also be used. > > > > > > Event: June 11, 2009, 4:45 AM, chennai > > > > > > Birth particular > > > 15/december/1976 > > > Time: 8 :30 AM > > > PLace: New Delhi, > > > > > > Regards > > > Partha > > > > > Dear Goel Sir, > > > > > > Thank you. Honestly, i was expecting good last year, but everything > > > went from bad to worse, no salary for months, bad treatment at office > > > compounded matters. > > > Anyways, i am waiting for Jupiter dasa, atleast he should provide some > > > relief to the nonsense i am facing since 17 years. > > > > > > Regards > > > Partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 The Tithi Pravesha Chakra of 2008-09 clearly shows the event if we are prepared to look for it. All standard jyotish rules must be used in the Tithi Pravesh charts as taught by me in the past at SJC and in particular to Narasimha. Rashi TP 2008 Navamsha TP 2008 Natal Chart of Partha Sarathy has Dhanus Lagna while the TP 2008-09 has Mithuna Lagna which is not only the maraka bhava but also the badhaka bhava for the chart. Therefore in the year 2008-09 mixed results will prevail with the 7th house indicating the events to come. Lagnesha Mercury is in the 6th house of accidents and suffering and is severely afflicted by two agni tattva planets Mars and Sun. This shows astra-aghata and will surely bring operation or cutting of the body if other factors also indicate so. Jupiter is the badhakesha of the chart and is well placed in own sign in Hamsa yoga with mantresha Shukra indicating a period when he shall have lot of time to do mantra japa. However the manner in which this will come about may not be good as Jupiter is in badhaka sign as badhakesh and is in Ghataka Nakshatra from Simha rashi [Purva Ashadha is ghataka for Simha]. The Moon is another maraka and is afflicted by Saturn. Now both Saturn and Jupiter, the two tormentors of the Moon as 8th lord (Sat) and badhaka in ghataka nakshatra (Jup) are in Scorpio Navamsha. Thus, Jupiter is in Roga-amsha I.e. navamsha of the sign in the 6th house of the rashi chart and as per Rasi-Tulya-Amsha, Jupiter will indicate accidents and such other adverse results. Further, Jupiter is under severe papa-kartari yoga between Mars and Sun on the one side and Rahu in the 8th house , on the other side. There is unbroken Kala Sarpa Yoga working on this chart for the year 2008-09 along the Rudra Axis = 2-8th house axis which is very dangerous. There is no breakage at all for the KSY and the native will have to suffer it. Timing of the event Tithi Ashtottari Dasha: The event happened exactly when the maraka (7th) bhava functioned in Jupiter dasha-Venus antardasa having the papa-kartari yoga. Narayana Dasha: Exactly on the date Virgo dasha started with Mandi in it in Sagittarius antardasha. In the Navamsha, Virgo is 7th house with Mars in MKS and Sagittarius has Ketu showing accidents. In D1, we have already seen how Sg is geared for the event due to the Papa kartari Yoga. Vimsottari dasa: (Personally I like this dasha very much). Jupiter dasha Saturn antardasha. See the arguments to the Moon affliction. Any affliction to the Moon will surely bring health related issues. So how can we say that the TP chart is not right or not working. On the other hand what is being suggested as a modification is that the Lunar months alone be used. If that be so, then people born in Adhika/Mala maasa will actually have birthdays falling in every few years unless we stretch the rules to accommodate them in the regular Lunar months. The traditional system, as I have learnt it, requires the Sun to be the same as *Sarvaatma Divakara - Sun is the representation of the soul and this cannot change in one body*. This is the Aditya who brings us to this planet and is responsible for us continued existence. We have to respect its boundaries - these are of 30 degrees each. So, if I am born with the Sun in Cancer, it must remain so. In fact the Greek Astrology [Tajika jyotish] uses this in a very strict manner in which the (1) Sun is brought back to the exact degree-minute of longitude for Annual returns. However, we in Vedic use (1) Sun return to the same sign instead of exact degree and (2) Sun-Moon angle = Tithi and Karana to be the same. What Narasimha is suggesting is to drop (1) Sun factor altogether and only use factor (2). No harm in testing this, but one must use standard jyotish rules to test the validity of the traditional system before replacing it with a new one. Regards Sanjay Rath Narasimha PVR Rao Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:51 AM vedic astrology ; ; JyotishWritings [vedic astrology] Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) Namaste Goel saab,The issue is NOT whether natal Vimsottari dasa shows the event or not. The issue is whether annual TP chart shows it or not.The native in question had an accident and was bed-ridden for 3 months. The annual TP chart (using solar months) does not show it at all. If one says, "the event happened even though annual TP chart does not shows it, because natal Vimsottari dasa shows it", what is the point in even using annual TP charts?I agree that no technique works in a vacuum and with 100% accuracy. But, any good technique cannot be so badly off. It has to show an event to some degree or the other. The exact degree to which an event happens is cumulatively decided by many factors. But each good factor has to show the event to some degree or the other.As I showed, by using soli-lunar months to make annual TP chart, you can see that 12th lord Jupiter was debilitated and with Rahu and there were afflictions in 12th, explaining the problem with foot. Dasa of a planet in 8th in rasi and D-30 gave the accident. Annual TP chart explains the event quite well.If one sticks to a wrong definition of annual TP chart, one will occasionally have to abandon it and take recourse to Vimsottari dasa.* * *As I said earlier, people do celebrate their soli-lunar birthday based on soli-lunar month. For example, Lord Rama's birthday is celebrated on the Sukla Navami tithi of *Chaitra* months and not the Sukla Navami tithi of a specific solar month (Meena or Mesha). Sun may be in Meena sometimes and Mesha sometimes, on Sri Rama Navami. Same thing with the birthdays of individuals. Same thing with annual TP chart.* * *Even Sanjay ji was not sure in late 1998 whether solar months or soli-lunar months should be used. He asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar months. The theorization that Sun, the soul, provides the anchor and hence Sun should be in the same sign and be the same Aaditya, was popularized. But deriving methods based on theorization and then trying to justify them practically is like putting the bullock cart in front of the bullock. Bullock should drive the cart and not the other way around. Methods should be derived and confirmed based on practical working. One can after all theorize *anything*. Principles should never be determined on the basis of theorization alone.Best regards,Narasimha-------------------------Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,"Do It Yourself" ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgFilms that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.orgSpirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings---------------------------- In , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:> Dear Rao Ji,> If any prominent event of the life will not be reflected in yearly chart, there is no reason > to refer them. These charts are studied along with birth charts.> MR. P.S.Iyer of PALGHAT kerla ,explained me in detail in early 80's that the yearly charts based on SOLI-lunar year gives much reliable results.> it is my impression that you do not give VIMSOTTARI DASA ITS DUE IMPORTANCE.BPHS> written many chapter on this dasa alone.I may be wrong. Further , a in depth study is required> of such karika's as Laghu and Madya Parasari.> He met accident in the dasa of Rahu placed in 11H, which is eighth from 11H. Antardasa was of Sun> which is lord of 9H (6H from 4th) Sun is placed in 12H with Mars karka of accidents.Further,> Sun in placed in 2H from Rahu , a marka place from Rahu. Even more Sun is the lord of another Marka house from Rahu. It was writing on the wall that he would certainly met with some serious accident> in Rahu/Sun period.BPHS'S CHAPTER 55 ON MAJOR PERIOD OF RAHU SAYS SO.> LAGHU PARASARI'S Verses 36 37 ,27 AND 39may be refered:> Verse 36-If Rahu is placed in Shubh houses , even benefic planet not having sambandha with noded . will get benefic results according to sub- dasa lord.> Verse 37- In the sub-period of benefic lord , the native will get unauspicious results in the dasa of > malefic planets.> Verse 27 - says MALEFIC PLANET'S DASA MAY ALSO PROBE DEATH INFLICTING.> VERSE 39- Even dasa of marka planet does not kill in sub-period of benefic planet/> > This is the reason that I slightly rectifird the birth time and accident was self-evident and not the death.> Jupiter is 4H lord and on the last degree of sign and in MARKA HOUSE FROM DASA LORD.> Jupiter DASA WAS NOT RUNNING . HIS PRYANTAR DASA WAS RUNNING. DASA AND ANTARDASA LORD> ALWAYS PLANS THE EVENT AND EXCUTION IS ARRANGED IN SUB-SUB PERIOD.> There is a dictum that week Lagna lord can give accident.> I was giving reply to matured astrological group and was not teaching in the class.Was> it necessary to explain all these details.Surely he must be running . Rahu/Sun / Jup/Jup/Jup.This is the reason that Jupiter could not give protection as per rule given in verse 29 of Laghu Parasari.> > In chart 20 , given in your book Vedic Astrology , a bad event had occurred in Jupiter/Moon> period which is self evident if we follow the rules given in Madya PARASARI. Moon obtained> Gemini Navamsa occupied by ketu and placed in 8H.Moon will give set back in marriage> according to well defined rules in Madhya Parasari.> I am a fan of VIMSOTTARI DASA.> BESR REGARDS,> > > G. K. Goel> > JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; > pvr Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:10:35 -0400> TP controversy example (Partha's Accident)> > Namaste,> > > > Let us look at the Tithi Pravesha chart of 2008-09 for the birthdata given by Partha below. Using standard SJC teachings, annual TP chart is cast for 2008 November 20, 8:24:12 pm (IST), New Delhi. Jupiter's Tithi Ashtottari dasa gave the accident. Jupiter is the 7th and 10th lord in 7th in moolatrikona, joined by the 5th lord and giving a raja yoga. Why did he have a major accident in Jupiter dasa, be bed-ridden for 3 months and why did his career suffer?> > > > Though one can justify any event with any chart or any dasa or any technique by seeing shapes in clouds and beating around the bush, I honestly could not have seen that event in Jupiter dasa in that chart.> > > > * * *> > > > Now, note that Partha was born on *Margasira* Krishna Navami with Sun in Sc. In the TP chart above, Sun is in Sc again, but the tithi is *Karthika* Krishna Navami. Though solar month has been preserved, soli-lunar month (which is the basis for tithis!!!) has not been preserved.> > > > If you make a TP chart strictly using soli-lunar calendar (instead of mixing up soli-lunar days with solar months as taught by Sanjay ji), you will get the annual TP chart on 2008 December 20, 10:02:13 am (IST), New Delhi. That happens to be Margasira Krishna Navami, though Sun is in Sg. In fact, his lunar birthday is celebrated on that day in tradition!> > > > In this chart, Cp rises. Three planets are in the 12th house, whether you use SJC reckoning or the house reckoning I recommend. The 12th lord Jupiter is debilitated and with Rahu. This explains being bed-ridden much better. Saturn is in the 8th house in D-1 and D-30 and the accident occurred in his dasa as per both annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa and annual Vimsottari dasa.> > > > * * *> > > > There is no comparison. This chart explains the events on the ground much better than the version of TP chart given by Sanjay ji's teachings. If you see a TP chart not explaining events well, please try the TP chart based strictly on soli-lunar months ("Preferences", "Related to calculations", "Tithi Prevesha Calculation Options" in JHora). The default in JHora is Sanjay ji's teaching.> > > > As I mentioned before, Sanjay ji was not sure in 1998-99 whether solar or soli-lunar months should be used in TP. He honestly told that to me and asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar month based TP. The result of my research is that solar months should not be mixed up and soli-lunar months should be used.> > > > Best regards,> > Narasimha> > -------------------------> > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,> > "Do It Yourself" ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org> > Spirituality: > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings> > -------------------------> > > > sohamsa , Partha Sarathy <partvinu@> wrote:> > > Hi All,> > > > > > I had an accident last year because of which was bedridden for three months. You> > > can use either Narayana dasa or vimshottari to analyse the event for everybody's> > > benefit.> > > Transits can also be used.> > > > > > Event: June 11, 2009, 4:45 AM, chennai> > > > > > Birth particular> > > 15/december/1976> > > Time: 8 :30 AM> > > PLace: New Delhi,> > > > > > Regards> > > Partha> > > > > Dear Goel Sir,> > > > > > Thank you. Honestly, i was expecting good last year, but everything> > > went from bad to worse, no salary for months, bad treatment at office> > > compounded matters.> > > Anyways, i am waiting for Jupiter dasa, atleast he should provide some> > > relief to the nonsense i am facing since 17 years.> > > > > > Regards> > > Partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Sanjayji Pranams If you cannot convince the person the strategy adopted by the opposition is to confuse !! Do we really need " Lagrange equations " and " Laplace transformations " in Jyotisha Shastra? The elite says " Yes " , ok Sir let them try Einstein equation (no Pun intended), Many Jhoras versions will come out just like too many cellphones !!! We need to stick to basics All for the sake of Gita Thanks Yousuf sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote: > > > The Tithi Pravesha Chakra of 2008-09 clearly shows the event if we are prepared to look for it. All standard jyotish rules must be used in the Tithi Pravesh charts as taught by me in the past at SJC and in particular to Narasimha. > Rashi TP 2008 > > Navamsha TP 2008 > > 1.. Natal Chart of Partha Sarathy has Dhanus Lagna while the TP 2008-09 has Mithuna Lagna which is not only the maraka bhava but also the badhaka bhava for the chart. Therefore in the year 2008-09 mixed results will prevail with the 7th house indicating the events to come. > 2.. Lagnesha Mercury is in the 6th house of accidents and suffering and is severely afflicted by two agni tattva planets Mars and Sun. This shows astra-aghata and will surely bring operation or cutting of the body if other factors also indicate so. > 3.. Jupiter is the badhakesha of the chart and is well placed in own sign in Hamsa yoga with mantresha Shukra indicating a period when he shall have lot of time to do mantra japa. However the manner in which this will come about may not be good as Jupiter is in badhaka sign as badhakesh and is in Ghataka Nakshatra from Simha rashi [Purva Ashadha is ghataka for Simha]. The Moon is another maraka and is afflicted by Saturn. Now both Saturn and Jupiter, the two tormentors of the Moon as 8th lord (Sat) and badhaka in ghataka nakshatra (Jup) are in Scorpio Navamsha. Thus, Jupiter is in Roga-amsha I.e. navamsha of the sign in the 6th house of the rashi chart and as per Rasi-Tulya-Amsha, Jupiter will indicate accidents and such other adverse results. > 4.. Further, Jupiter is under severe papa-kartari yoga between Mars and Sun on the one side and Rahu in the 8th house , on the other side. > 5.. There is unbroken Kala Sarpa Yoga working on this chart for the year 2008-09 along the Rudra Axis = 2-8th house axis which is very dangerous. There is no breakage at all for the KSY and the native will have to suffer it. > Timing of the event > a.. Tithi Ashtottari Dasha: The event happened exactly when the maraka (7th) bhava functioned in Jupiter dasha-Venus antardasa having the papa-kartari yoga. > b.. Narayana Dasha: Exactly on the date Virgo dasha started with Mandi in it in Sagittarius antardasha. In the Navamsha, Virgo is 7th house with Mars in MKS and Sagittarius has Ketu showing accidents. In D1, we have already seen how Sg is geared for the event due to the Papa kartari Yoga. > c.. Vimsottari dasa: (Personally I like this dasha very much). Jupiter dasha Saturn antardasha. See the arguments to the Moon affliction. Any affliction to the Moon will surely bring health related issues. > So how can we say that the TP chart is not right or not working. On the other hand what is being suggested as a modification is that the Lunar months alone be used. If that be so, then people born in Adhika/Mala maasa will actually have birthdays falling in every few years unless we stretch the rules to accommodate them in the regular Lunar months. > The traditional system, as I have learnt it, requires the Sun to be the same as *Sarvaatma Divakara - Sun is the representation of the soul and this cannot change in one body*. This is the Aditya who brings us to this planet and is responsible for us continued existence. We have to respect its boundaries - these are of 30 degrees each. So, if I am born with the Sun in Cancer, it must remain so. > > In fact the Greek Astrology [Tajika jyotish] uses this in a very strict manner in which the (1) Sun is brought back to the exact degree-minute of longitude for Annual returns. > However, we in Vedic use (1) Sun return to the same sign instead of exact degree and (2) Sun-Moon angle = Tithi and Karana to be the same. > What Narasimha is suggesting is to drop (1) Sun factor altogether and only use factor (2). > > No harm in testing this, but one must use standard jyotish rules to test the validity of the traditional system before replacing it with a new one. > Regards > Sanjay Rath > > > Narasimha PVR Rao > Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:51 AM > vedic astrology ; ; JyotishWritings > [vedic astrology] Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > > > Namaste Goel saab, > > The issue is NOT whether natal Vimsottari dasa shows the event or not. The issue is whether annual TP chart shows it or not. > > The native in question had an accident and was bed-ridden for 3 months. The annual TP chart (using solar months) does not show it at all. If one says, " the event happened even though annual TP chart does not shows it, because natal Vimsottari dasa shows it " , what is the point in even using annual TP charts? > > I agree that no technique works in a vacuum and with 100% accuracy. But, any good technique cannot be so badly off. It has to show an event to some degree or the other. The exact degree to which an event happens is cumulatively decided by many factors. But each good factor has to show the event to some degree or the other. > > As I showed, by using soli-lunar months to make annual TP chart, you can see that 12th lord Jupiter was debilitated and with Rahu and there were afflictions in 12th, explaining the problem with foot. Dasa of a planet in 8th in rasi and D-30 gave the accident. Annual TP chart explains the event quite well. > > If one sticks to a wrong definition of annual TP chart, one will occasionally have to abandon it and take recourse to Vimsottari dasa. > > * * * > > As I said earlier, people do celebrate their soli-lunar birthday based on soli-lunar month. For example, Lord Rama's birthday is celebrated on the Sukla Navami tithi of *Chaitra* months and not the Sukla Navami tithi of a specific solar month (Meena or Mesha). Sun may be in Meena sometimes and Mesha sometimes, on Sri Rama Navami. Same thing with the birthdays of individuals. Same thing with annual TP chart. > > * * * > > Even Sanjay ji was not sure in late 1998 whether solar months or soli-lunar months should be used. He asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar months. The theorization that Sun, the soul, provides the anchor and hence Sun should be in the same sign and be the same Aaditya, was popularized. But deriving methods based on theorization and then trying to justify them practically is like putting the bullock cart in front of the bullock. Bullock should drive the cart and not the other way around. Methods should be derived and confirmed based on practical working. One can after all theorize *anything*. Principles should never be determined on the basis of theorization alone. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------- > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Spirituality: > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > ------------------------- > > , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel@> wrote: > > Dear Rao Ji, > > If any prominent event of the life will not be reflected in yearly chart, there is no reason > > to refer them. These charts are studied along with birth charts. > > MR. P.S.Iyer of PALGHAT kerla ,explained me in detail in early 80's that the yearly charts based on SOLI-lunar year gives much reliable results. > > it is my impression that you do not give VIMSOTTARI DASA ITS DUE IMPORTANCE.BPHS > > written many chapter on this dasa alone.I may be wrong. Further , a in depth study is required > > of such karika's as Laghu and Madya Parasari. > > He met accident in the dasa of Rahu placed in 11H, which is eighth from 11H. Antardasa was of Sun > > which is lord of 9H (6H from 4th) Sun is placed in 12H with Mars karka of accidents.Further, > > Sun in placed in 2H from Rahu , a marka place from Rahu. Even more Sun is the lord of another Marka house from Rahu. It was writing on the wall that he would certainly met with some serious accident > > in Rahu/Sun period.BPHS'S CHAPTER 55 ON MAJOR PERIOD OF RAHU SAYS SO. > > LAGHU PARASARI'S Verses 36 37 ,27 AND 39may be refered: > > Verse 36-If Rahu is placed in Shubh houses , even benefic planet not having sambandha with noded . will get benefic results according to sub- dasa lord. > > Verse 37- In the sub-period of benefic lord , the native will get unauspicious results in the dasa of > > malefic planets. > > Verse 27 - says MALEFIC PLANET'S DASA MAY ALSO PROBE DEATH INFLICTING. > > VERSE 39- Even dasa of marka planet does not kill in sub-period of benefic planet/ > > > > This is the reason that I slightly rectifird the birth time and accident was self-evident and not the death. > > Jupiter is 4H lord and on the last degree of sign and in MARKA HOUSE FROM DASA LORD. > > Jupiter DASA WAS NOT RUNNING . HIS PRYANTAR DASA WAS RUNNING. DASA AND ANTARDASA LORD > > ALWAYS PLANS THE EVENT AND EXCUTION IS ARRANGED IN SUB-SUB PERIOD. > > There is a dictum that week Lagna lord can give accident. > > I was giving reply to matured astrological group and was not teaching in the class.Was > > it necessary to explain all these details.Surely he must be running . Rahu/Sun / Jup/Jup/Jup.This is the reason that Jupiter could not give protection as per rule given in verse 29 of Laghu Parasari. > > > > In chart 20 , given in your book Vedic Astrology , a bad event had occurred in Jupiter/Moon > > period which is self evident if we follow the rules given in Madya PARASARI. Moon obtained > > Gemini Navamsa occupied by ketu and placed in 8H.Moon will give set back in marriage > > according to well defined rules in Madhya Parasari. > > I am a fan of VIMSOTTARI DASA. > > BESR REGARDS, > > > > > > G. K. Goel > > > > JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; > > pvr@ > > Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:10:35 -0400 > > TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Let us look at the Tithi Pravesha chart of 2008-09 for the birthdata given by Partha below. Using standard SJC teachings, annual TP chart is cast for 2008 November 20, 8:24:12 pm (IST), New Delhi. Jupiter's Tithi Ashtottari dasa gave the accident. Jupiter is the 7th and 10th lord in 7th in moolatrikona, joined by the 5th lord and giving a raja yoga. Why did he have a major accident in Jupiter dasa, be bed-ridden for 3 months and why did his career suffer? > > > > > > > > Though one can justify any event with any chart or any dasa or any technique by seeing shapes in clouds and beating around the bush, I honestly could not have seen that event in Jupiter dasa in that chart. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Now, note that Partha was born on *Margasira* Krishna Navami with Sun in Sc. In the TP chart above, Sun is in Sc again, but the tithi is *Karthika* Krishna Navami. Though solar month has been preserved, soli-lunar month (which is the basis for tithis!!!) has not been preserved. > > > > > > > > If you make a TP chart strictly using soli-lunar calendar (instead of mixing up soli-lunar days with solar months as taught by Sanjay ji), you will get the annual TP chart on 2008 December 20, 10:02:13 am (IST), New Delhi. That happens to be Margasira Krishna Navami, though Sun is in Sg. In fact, his lunar birthday is celebrated on that day in tradition! > > > > > > > > In this chart, Cp rises. Three planets are in the 12th house, whether you use SJC reckoning or the house reckoning I recommend. The 12th lord Jupiter is debilitated and with Rahu. This explains being bed-ridden much better. Saturn is in the 8th house in D-1 and D-30 and the accident occurred in his dasa as per both annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa and annual Vimsottari dasa. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > There is no comparison. This chart explains the events on the ground much better than the version of TP chart given by Sanjay ji's teachings. If you see a TP chart not explaining events well, please try the TP chart based strictly on soli-lunar months ( " Preferences " , " Related to calculations " , " Tithi Prevesha Calculation Options " in JHora). The default in JHora is Sanjay ji's teaching. > > > > > > > > As I mentioned before, Sanjay ji was not sure in 1998-99 whether solar or soli-lunar months should be used in TP. He honestly told that to me and asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar month based TP. The result of my research is that solar months should not be mixed up and soli-lunar months should be used. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------------------- > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > Spirituality: > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Partha Sarathy <partvinu@> wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > I had an accident last year because of which was bedridden for three months. You > > > > > can use either Narayana dasa or vimshottari to analyse the event for everybody's > > > > > benefit. > > > > > Transits can also be used. > > > > > > > > > > Event: June 11, 2009, 4:45 AM, chennai > > > > > > > > > > Birth particular > > > > > 15/december/1976 > > > > > Time: 8 :30 AM > > > > > PLace: New Delhi, > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Partha > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel Sir, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. Honestly, i was expecting good last year, but everything > > > > > went from bad to worse, no salary for months, bad treatment at office > > > > > compounded matters. > > > > > Anyways, i am waiting for Jupiter dasa, atleast he should provide some > > > > > relief to the nonsense i am facing since 17 years. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Partha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Dear All, Sanjayji's analysis was outstanding. As i said earlier, foot accident was one part of the story, my family also suffered illhealth during the year and i had to run around hospitals for most part of the year. Also i didnot have salary for months, there was constant humiliation in office despite extreme hard work. More than health, humiliation was the main theme of the year. Probably AK Sun antardasa was running, so God showed me my place, or probably was asking me to come back to Jyotish where i am not that bad. Regards Partha sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote: > > > The Tithi Pravesha Chakra of 2008-09 clearly shows the event if we are prepared to look for it. All standard jyotish rules must be used in the Tithi Pravesh charts as taught by me in the past at SJC and in particular to Narasimha. > Rashi TP 2008 > > Navamsha TP 2008 > > 1.. Natal Chart of Partha Sarathy has Dhanus Lagna while the TP 2008-09 has Mithuna Lagna which is not only the maraka bhava but also the badhaka bhava for the chart. Therefore in the year 2008-09 mixed results will prevail with the 7th house indicating the events to come. > 2.. Lagnesha Mercury is in the 6th house of accidents and suffering and is severely afflicted by two agni tattva planets Mars and Sun. This shows astra-aghata and will surely bring operation or cutting of the body if other factors also indicate so. > 3.. Jupiter is the badhakesha of the chart and is well placed in own sign in Hamsa yoga with mantresha Shukra indicating a period when he shall have lot of time to do mantra japa. However the manner in which this will come about may not be good as Jupiter is in badhaka sign as badhakesh and is in Ghataka Nakshatra from Simha rashi [Purva Ashadha is ghataka for Simha]. The Moon is another maraka and is afflicted by Saturn. Now both Saturn and Jupiter, the two tormentors of the Moon as 8th lord (Sat) and badhaka in ghataka nakshatra (Jup) are in Scorpio Navamsha. Thus, Jupiter is in Roga-amsha I.e. navamsha of the sign in the 6th house of the rashi chart and as per Rasi-Tulya-Amsha, Jupiter will indicate accidents and such other adverse results. > 4.. Further, Jupiter is under severe papa-kartari yoga between Mars and Sun on the one side and Rahu in the 8th house , on the other side. > 5.. There is unbroken Kala Sarpa Yoga working on this chart for the year 2008-09 along the Rudra Axis = 2-8th house axis which is very dangerous. There is no breakage at all for the KSY and the native will have to suffer it. > Timing of the event > a.. Tithi Ashtottari Dasha: The event happened exactly when the maraka (7th) bhava functioned in Jupiter dasha-Venus antardasa having the papa-kartari yoga. > b.. Narayana Dasha: Exactly on the date Virgo dasha started with Mandi in it in Sagittarius antardasha. In the Navamsha, Virgo is 7th house with Mars in MKS and Sagittarius has Ketu showing accidents. In D1, we have already seen how Sg is geared for the event due to the Papa kartari Yoga. > c.. Vimsottari dasa: (Personally I like this dasha very much). Jupiter dasha Saturn antardasha. See the arguments to the Moon affliction. Any affliction to the Moon will surely bring health related issues. > So how can we say that the TP chart is not right or not working. On the other hand what is being suggested as a modification is that the Lunar months alone be used. If that be so, then people born in Adhika/Mala maasa will actually have birthdays falling in every few years unless we stretch the rules to accommodate them in the regular Lunar months. > The traditional system, as I have learnt it, requires the Sun to be the same as *Sarvaatma Divakara - Sun is the representation of the soul and this cannot change in one body*. This is the Aditya who brings us to this planet and is responsible for us continued existence. We have to respect its boundaries - these are of 30 degrees each. So, if I am born with the Sun in Cancer, it must remain so. > > In fact the Greek Astrology [Tajika jyotish] uses this in a very strict manner in which the (1) Sun is brought back to the exact degree-minute of longitude for Annual returns. > However, we in Vedic use (1) Sun return to the same sign instead of exact degree and (2) Sun-Moon angle = Tithi and Karana to be the same. > What Narasimha is suggesting is to drop (1) Sun factor altogether and only use factor (2). > > No harm in testing this, but one must use standard jyotish rules to test the validity of the traditional system before replacing it with a new one. > Regards > Sanjay Rath > > > Narasimha PVR Rao > Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:51 AM > vedic astrology ; ; JyotishWritings > [vedic astrology] Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > > > Namaste Goel saab, > > The issue is NOT whether natal Vimsottari dasa shows the event or not. The issue is whether annual TP chart shows it or not. > > The native in question had an accident and was bed-ridden for 3 months. The annual TP chart (using solar months) does not show it at all. If one says, " the event happened even though annual TP chart does not shows it, because natal Vimsottari dasa shows it " , what is the point in even using annual TP charts? > > I agree that no technique works in a vacuum and with 100% accuracy. But, any good technique cannot be so badly off. It has to show an event to some degree or the other. The exact degree to which an event happens is cumulatively decided by many factors. But each good factor has to show the event to some degree or the other. > > As I showed, by using soli-lunar months to make annual TP chart, you can see that 12th lord Jupiter was debilitated and with Rahu and there were afflictions in 12th, explaining the problem with foot. Dasa of a planet in 8th in rasi and D-30 gave the accident. Annual TP chart explains the event quite well. > > If one sticks to a wrong definition of annual TP chart, one will occasionally have to abandon it and take recourse to Vimsottari dasa. > > * * * > > As I said earlier, people do celebrate their soli-lunar birthday based on soli-lunar month. For example, Lord Rama's birthday is celebrated on the Sukla Navami tithi of *Chaitra* months and not the Sukla Navami tithi of a specific solar month (Meena or Mesha). Sun may be in Meena sometimes and Mesha sometimes, on Sri Rama Navami. Same thing with the birthdays of individuals. Same thing with annual TP chart. > > * * * > > Even Sanjay ji was not sure in late 1998 whether solar months or soli-lunar months should be used. He asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar months. The theorization that Sun, the soul, provides the anchor and hence Sun should be in the same sign and be the same Aaditya, was popularized. But deriving methods based on theorization and then trying to justify them practically is like putting the bullock cart in front of the bullock. Bullock should drive the cart and not the other way around. Methods should be derived and confirmed based on practical working. One can after all theorize *anything*. Principles should never be determined on the basis of theorization alone. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------- > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Spirituality: > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > ------------------------- > > , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel@> wrote: > > Dear Rao Ji, > > If any prominent event of the life will not be reflected in yearly chart, there is no reason > > to refer them. These charts are studied along with birth charts. > > MR. P.S.Iyer of PALGHAT kerla ,explained me in detail in early 80's that the yearly charts based on SOLI-lunar year gives much reliable results. > > it is my impression that you do not give VIMSOTTARI DASA ITS DUE IMPORTANCE.BPHS > > written many chapter on this dasa alone.I may be wrong. Further , a in depth study is required > > of such karika's as Laghu and Madya Parasari. > > He met accident in the dasa of Rahu placed in 11H, which is eighth from 11H. Antardasa was of Sun > > which is lord of 9H (6H from 4th) Sun is placed in 12H with Mars karka of accidents.Further, > > Sun in placed in 2H from Rahu , a marka place from Rahu. Even more Sun is the lord of another Marka house from Rahu. It was writing on the wall that he would certainly met with some serious accident > > in Rahu/Sun period.BPHS'S CHAPTER 55 ON MAJOR PERIOD OF RAHU SAYS SO. > > LAGHU PARASARI'S Verses 36 37 ,27 AND 39may be refered: > > Verse 36-If Rahu is placed in Shubh houses , even benefic planet not having sambandha with noded . will get benefic results according to sub- dasa lord. > > Verse 37- In the sub-period of benefic lord , the native will get unauspicious results in the dasa of > > malefic planets. > > Verse 27 - says MALEFIC PLANET'S DASA MAY ALSO PROBE DEATH INFLICTING. > > VERSE 39- Even dasa of marka planet does not kill in sub-period of benefic planet/ > > > > This is the reason that I slightly rectifird the birth time and accident was self-evident and not the death. > > Jupiter is 4H lord and on the last degree of sign and in MARKA HOUSE FROM DASA LORD. > > Jupiter DASA WAS NOT RUNNING . HIS PRYANTAR DASA WAS RUNNING. DASA AND ANTARDASA LORD > > ALWAYS PLANS THE EVENT AND EXCUTION IS ARRANGED IN SUB-SUB PERIOD. > > There is a dictum that week Lagna lord can give accident. > > I was giving reply to matured astrological group and was not teaching in the class.Was > > it necessary to explain all these details.Surely he must be running . Rahu/Sun / Jup/Jup/Jup.This is the reason that Jupiter could not give protection as per rule given in verse 29 of Laghu Parasari. > > > > In chart 20 , given in your book Vedic Astrology , a bad event had occurred in Jupiter/Moon > > period which is self evident if we follow the rules given in Madya PARASARI. Moon obtained > > Gemini Navamsa occupied by ketu and placed in 8H.Moon will give set back in marriage > > according to well defined rules in Madhya Parasari. > > I am a fan of VIMSOTTARI DASA. > > BESR REGARDS, > > > > > > G. K. Goel > > > > JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; > > pvr@ > > Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:10:35 -0400 > > TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Let us look at the Tithi Pravesha chart of 2008-09 for the birthdata given by Partha below. Using standard SJC teachings, annual TP chart is cast for 2008 November 20, 8:24:12 pm (IST), New Delhi. Jupiter's Tithi Ashtottari dasa gave the accident. Jupiter is the 7th and 10th lord in 7th in moolatrikona, joined by the 5th lord and giving a raja yoga. Why did he have a major accident in Jupiter dasa, be bed-ridden for 3 months and why did his career suffer? > > > > > > > > Though one can justify any event with any chart or any dasa or any technique by seeing shapes in clouds and beating around the bush, I honestly could not have seen that event in Jupiter dasa in that chart. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Now, note that Partha was born on *Margasira* Krishna Navami with Sun in Sc. In the TP chart above, Sun is in Sc again, but the tithi is *Karthika* Krishna Navami. Though solar month has been preserved, soli-lunar month (which is the basis for tithis!!!) has not been preserved. > > > > > > > > If you make a TP chart strictly using soli-lunar calendar (instead of mixing up soli-lunar days with solar months as taught by Sanjay ji), you will get the annual TP chart on 2008 December 20, 10:02:13 am (IST), New Delhi. That happens to be Margasira Krishna Navami, though Sun is in Sg. In fact, his lunar birthday is celebrated on that day in tradition! > > > > > > > > In this chart, Cp rises. Three planets are in the 12th house, whether you use SJC reckoning or the house reckoning I recommend. The 12th lord Jupiter is debilitated and with Rahu. This explains being bed-ridden much better. Saturn is in the 8th house in D-1 and D-30 and the accident occurred in his dasa as per both annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa and annual Vimsottari dasa. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > There is no comparison. This chart explains the events on the ground much better than the version of TP chart given by Sanjay ji's teachings. If you see a TP chart not explaining events well, please try the TP chart based strictly on soli-lunar months ( " Preferences " , " Related to calculations " , " Tithi Prevesha Calculation Options " in JHora). The default in JHora is Sanjay ji's teaching. > > > > > > > > As I mentioned before, Sanjay ji was not sure in 1998-99 whether solar or soli-lunar months should be used in TP. He honestly told that to me and asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar month based TP. The result of my research is that solar months should not be mixed up and soli-lunar months should be used. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------------------- > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > Spirituality: > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Partha Sarathy <partvinu@> wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > I had an accident last year because of which was bedridden for three months. You > > > > > can use either Narayana dasa or vimshottari to analyse the event for everybody's > > > > > benefit. > > > > > Transits can also be used. > > > > > > > > > > Event: June 11, 2009, 4:45 AM, chennai > > > > > > > > > > Birth particular > > > > > 15/december/1976 > > > > > Time: 8 :30 AM > > > > > PLace: New Delhi, > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Partha > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel Sir, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. Honestly, i was expecting good last year, but everything > > > > > went from bad to worse, no salary for months, bad treatment at office > > > > > compounded matters. > > > > > Anyways, i am waiting for Jupiter dasa, atleast he should provide some > > > > > relief to the nonsense i am facing since 17 years. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Partha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Fw: Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) Dear All, Sanjayji's analysis was outstanding. As i said earlier, foot accident was one part of the story, my family also suffered illhealth during the year and i had to run around hospitals for most part of the year. Also i didnot have salary for months, there was constant humiliation in office despite extreme hard work. More than health, humiliation was the main theme of the year. Probably AK Sun antardasa was running, so God showed me my place, or probably was asking me to come back to Jyotish where i am not that bad. Regards Partha sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath wrote: > > > The Tithi Pravesha Chakra of 2008-09 clearly shows the event if we are prepared to look for it. All standard jyotish rules must be used in the Tithi Pravesh charts as taught by me in the past at SJC and in particular to Narasimha. > Rashi TP 2008 > > Navamsha TP 2008 > > 1.. Natal Chart of Partha Sarathy has Dhanus Lagna while the TP 2008-09 has Mithuna Lagna which is not only the maraka bhava but also the badhaka bhava for the chart. Therefore in the year 2008-09 mixed results will prevail with the 7th house indicating the events to come. > 2.. Lagnesha Mercury is in the 6th house of accidents and suffering and is severely afflicted by two agni tattva planets Mars and Sun. This shows astra-aghata and will surely bring operation or cutting of the body if other factors also indicate so. > 3.. Jupiter is the badhakesha of the chart and is well placed in own sign in Hamsa yoga with mantresha Shukra indicating a period when he shall have lot of time to do mantra japa. However the manner in which this will come about may not be good as Jupiter is in badhaka sign as badhakesh and is in Ghataka Nakshatra from Simha rashi [Purva Ashadha is ghataka for Simha]. The Moon is another maraka and is afflicted by Saturn. Now both Saturn and Jupiter, the two tormentors of the Moon as 8th lord (Sat) and badhaka in ghataka nakshatra (Jup) are in Scorpio Navamsha. Thus, Jupiter is in Roga-amsha I.e. navamsha of the sign in the 6th house of the rashi chart and as per Rasi-Tulya-Amsha, Jupiter will indicate accidents and such other adverse results. > 4.. Further, Jupiter is under severe papa-kartari yoga between Mars and Sun on the one side and Rahu in the 8th house , on the other side. > 5.. There is unbroken Kala Sarpa Yoga working on this chart for the year 2008-09 along the Rudra Axis = 2-8th house axis which is very dangerous. There is no breakage at all for the KSY and the native will have to suffer it. > Timing of the event > a.. Tithi Ashtottari Dasha: The event happened exactly when the maraka (7th) bhava functioned in Jupiter dasha-Venus antardasa having the papa-kartari yoga. > b.. Narayana Dasha: Exactly on the date Virgo dasha started with Mandi in it in Sagittarius antardasha. In the Navamsha, Virgo is 7th house with Mars in MKS and Sagittarius has Ketu showing accidents. In D1, we have already seen how Sg is geared for the event due to the Papa kartari Yoga. > c.. Vimsottari dasa: (Personally I like this dasha very much). Jupiter dasha Saturn antardasha. See the arguments to the Moon affliction. Any affliction to the Moon will surely bring health related issues. > So how can we say that the TP chart is not right or not working. On the other hand what is being suggested as a modification is that the Lunar months alone be used. If that be so, then people born in Adhika/Mala maasa will actually have birthdays falling in every few years unless we stretch the rules to accommodate them in the regular Lunar months. > The traditional system, as I have learnt it, requires the Sun to be the same as *Sarvaatma Divakara - Sun is the representation of the soul and this cannot change in one body*. This is the Aditya who brings us to this planet and is responsible for us continued existence. We have to respect its boundaries - these are of 30 degrees each. So, if I am born with the Sun in Cancer, it must remain so. > > In fact the Greek Astrology [Tajika jyotish] uses this in a very strict manner in which the (1) Sun is brought back to the exact degree-minute of longitude for Annual returns. > However, we in Vedic use (1) Sun return to the same sign instead of exact degree and (2) Sun-Moon angle = Tithi and Karana to be the same. > What Narasimha is suggesting is to drop (1) Sun factor altogether and only use factor (2). > > No harm in testing this, but one must use standard jyotish rules to test the validity of the traditional system before replacing it with a new one. > Regards > Sanjay Rath > > > Narasimha PVR Rao > Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:51 AM > vedic astrology ; ;JyotishWritings > [vedic astrology] Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > > > Namaste Goel saab, > > The issue is NOT whether natal Vimsottari dasa shows the event or not. The issue is whether annual TP chart shows it or not. > > The native in question had an accident and was bed-ridden for 3 months. The annual TP chart (using solar months) does not show it at all. If one says, "the event happened even though annual TP chart does not shows it, because natal Vimsottari dasa shows it", what is the point in even using annual TP charts? > > I agree that no technique works in a vacuum and with 100% accuracy. But, any good technique cannot be so badly off. It has to show an event to some degree or the other. The exact degree to which an event happens is cumulatively decided by many factors. But each good factor has to show the event to some degree or the other. > > As I showed, by using soli-lunar months to make annual TP chart, you can see that 12th lord Jupiter was debilitated and with Rahu and there were afflictions in 12th, explaining the problem with foot. Dasa of a planet in 8th in rasi and D-30 gave the accident. Annual TP chart explains the event quite well. > > If one sticks to a wrong definition of annual TP chart, one will occasionally have to abandon it and take recourse to Vimsottari dasa. > > * * * > > As I said earlier, people do celebrate their soli-lunar birthday based on soli-lunar month. For example, Lord Rama's birthday is celebrated on the Sukla Navami tithi of *Chaitra* months and not the Sukla Navami tithi of a specific solar month (Meena or Mesha). Sun may be in Meena sometimes and Mesha sometimes, on Sri Rama Navami. Same thing with the birthdays of individuals. Same thing with annual TP chart. > > * * * > > Even Sanjay ji was not sure in late 1998 whether solar months or soli-lunar months should be used. He asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar months. The theorization that Sun, the soul, provides the anchor and hence Sun should be in the same sign and be the same Aaditya, was popularized. But deriving methods based on theorization and then trying to justify them practically is like putting the bullock cart in front of the bullock. Bullock should drive the cart and not the other way around. Methods should be derived and confirmed based on practical working. One can after all theorize *anything*. Principles should never be determined on the basis of theorization alone. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------- > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > "Do It Yourself" ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Spirituality: > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > ------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Dear Ashwini Thank you. I am associated with SJC since last 10 years, and am one of the oldest members and teachers. Since my contribution to the lists has been very less in last 4 years, you are probably not aware of my name. But thank you for your advise, as it came from a pure heart. Regards Partha sohamsa , Aswini kumar <aswinifree wrote: > > > > || हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ || > || om guravenamah || > > Dear parthaji, > > namaskar. i am using birth data as you provided below in your earlier mail, > > Birth particular > > > > > > > 15/december/ 1976 > > > > > > > Time: 8 :30 AM > > > > > > > PLace: New Delhi, > > Also i assume that you knows astrology very well. > > in your chart, jupiter and sun both are cursed, sun as AK is in maranakaraka position with pakesh . During particularly sun Akdasa(dwisaptati applicable) you faced these severe sufferings. That is because particularly is for rahu is in 12 thrasi from sun dasarasi and resulted severe rahu kind suffering. sun is in this kind of maranakaraka situation only strength of jupiter can help him out. hence jupiter himself is in severe curse , then first remedying the curse is needed. hence actually rahu is creating problem in this dasa then regular worship of durga is needed. > particularlyoffering of ghee lamp in rahukala on Fridays is good for you. > Also istadevata worship is recommended for Akdasa. > Also regular practice of astakharinarayana mantra is recommended for you( lagna is aflicted with badhakesha, and lagnesh is in curse). > In d-9 you have mercury in digbla with bhadra yoga. clear blessings of ganesh. Worship ganesh regularly can do magic for you. > The AK is sun so, humiliation is there always, and combination and placements of sun & planets is particularly crating very severe agnidosa in your chart, triggering all these sufferings. > hence only ganesh can able to handle particularly these kind of agnidosa situation,then worship ganapati with agni control mantra is out most necessity for you. it will do a magic for you. It will vanishes all your problems. > > contact senior members of the group privately for this procedure. > > > > Best regards > Aswini kumar mohapatra > > || om tat sat || > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the SJC Ashram > Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' ________________________________ > partha <partvinu > sohamsa > Wed, 24 March, 2010 11:17:59 AM > [soHamsa] Fw: Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > > Dear All, > > Sanjayji's analysis was outstanding. > > As i said earlier, foot accident was one part of the story, my family also suffered illhealth during the year and i had to run around hospitals for most part of the year. > > Also i didnot have salary for months, there was constant humiliation in office despite extreme hard work. > More than health, humiliation was the main theme of the year. > > Probably AK Sun antardasa was running, so God showed me my place, or probably was asking me to come back to Jyotish where i am not that bad. > > Regards > Partha > > sohamsa@ .com, " SanjayRath " <sjrath@> wrote: > > > > > > The TithiPraveshaChakra of 2008-09 clearly shows the event if we are prepared to look for it. All standard jyotish rules must be used in the TithiPravesh charts as taught by me in the past at SJC and in particular to Narasimha. > > RashiTP 2008 > > > > NavamshaTP 2008 > > > > 1.. Natal Chart of ParthaSarathy has DhanusLagna while the TP 2008-09 has MithunaLagna which is not only the marakabhava but also the badhakabhava for the chart. Therefore in the year 2008-09 mixed results will prevail with the 7th house indicating the events to come. > > 2.. Lagnesha Mercury is in the 6th house of accidents and suffering and is severely afflicted by two agnitattva planets Mars and Sun. This shows astra-aghata and will surely bring operation or cutting of the body if other factors also indicate so. > > 3.. Jupiter is the badhakesha of the chart and is well placed in own sign in Hamsa yoga with mantreshaShukra indicating a period when he shall have lot of time to do mantra japa. However the manner in which this will come about may not be good as Jupiter is in badhaka sign as badhakesh and is in GhatakaNakshatra from Simharashi [PurvaAshadha is ghataka for Simha]. The Moon is another maraka and is afflicted by Saturn. Now both Saturn and Jupiter, the two tormentors of the Moon as 8th lord (Sat) and badhaka in ghatakanakshatra (Jup) are in Scorpio Navamsha. Thus, Jupiter is in Roga-amsha I.e. navamsha of the sign in the 6th house of the rashi chart and as per Rasi-Tulya-Amsha, Jupiter will indicate accidents and such other adverse results. > > 4.. Further, Jupiter is under severe papa-kartari yoga between Mars and Sun on the one side and Rahu in the 8th house , on the other side. > > 5.. There is unbroken Kala Sarpa Yoga working on this chart for the year 2008-09 along the Rudra Axis = 2-8th house axis which is very dangerous. There is no breakage at all for the KSY and the native will have to suffer it. > > Timing of the event > > a.. TithiAshtottari Dasha: The event happened exactly when the maraka (7th) bhava functioned in Jupiter dasha-Venus antardasa having the papa-kartari yoga. > > b.. Narayana Dasha: Exactly on the date Virgo dasha started with Mandi in it in Sagittarius antardasha. In the Navamsha, Virgo is 7th house with Mars in MKS and Sagittarius has Ketu showing accidents. In D1, we have already seen how Sg is geared for the event due to the Papa kartari Yoga. > > c.. Vimsottaridasa: (Personally I like this dasha very much). Jupiter dasha Saturn antardasha. See the arguments to the Moon affliction. Any affliction to the Moon will surely bring health related issues. > > So how can we say that the TP chart is not right or not working. On the other hand what is being suggested as a modification is that the Lunar months alone be used. If that be so, then people born in Adhika/Mala maasa will actually have birthdays falling in every few years unless we stretch the rules to accommodate them in the regular Lunar months. > > The traditional system, as I have learnt it, requires the Sun to be the same as *SarvaatmaDivakara - Sun is the representation of the soul and this cannot change in one body*. This is the Aditya who brings us to this planet and is responsible for us continued existence. We have to respect its boundaries - these are of 30 degrees each. So, if I am born with the Sun in Cancer, it must remain so. > > > > In fact the Greek Astrology [Tajikajyotish] uses this in a very strict manner in which the (1) Sun is brought back to the exact degree-minute of longitude for Annual returns. > > However, we in Vedic use (1) Sun return to the same sign instead of exact degree and (2) Sun-Moon angle = Tithi and Karana to be the same. > > What Narasimha is suggesting is to drop (1) Sun factor altogether and only use factor (2). > > > > No harm in testing this, but one must use standard jyotish rules to test the validity of the traditional system before replacing it with a new one. > > Regards > > SanjayRath > > > > > > NarasimhaPVRRao > > Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:51 AM > > vedic astrology ; ; JyotishWritings > > [vedic astrology] Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > > > > > > > NamasteGoelsaab, > > > > The issue is NOT whether natal Vimsottaridasa shows the event or not. The issue is whether annual TP chart shows it or not. > > > > The native in question had an accident and was bed-ridden for 3 months. The annual TP chart (using solar months) does not show it at all. If one says, " the event happened even though annual TP chart does not shows it, because natal Vimsottaridasa shows it " , what is the point in even using annual TP charts? > > > > I agree that no technique works in a vacuum and with 100% accuracy. But, any good technique cannot be so badly off. It has to show an event to some degree or the other. The exact degree to which an event happens is cumulatively decided by many factors. But each good factor has to show the event to some degree or the other. > > > > As I showed, by using soli-lunar months to make annual TP chart, you can see that 12th lord Jupiter was debilitated and with Rahu and there were afflictions in 12th, explaining the problem with foot. Dasa of a planet in 8th in rasi and D-30 gave the accident. Annual TP chart explains the event quite well. > > > > If one sticks to a wrong definition of annual TP chart, one will occasionally have to abandon it and take recourse to Vimsottaridasa. > > > > * * * > > > > As I said earlier, people do celebrate their soli-lunar birthday based on soli-lunar month. For example, Lord Rama's birthday is celebrated on the SuklaNavamitithi of *Chaitra* months and not the SuklaNavamitithi of a specific solar month (Meena or Mesha). Sun may be in Meena sometimes and Mesha sometimes, on Sri Rama Navami. Same thing with the birthdays of individuals. Same thing with annual TP chart. > > > > * * * > > > > Even Sanjayji was not sure in late 1998 whether solar months or soli-lunar months should be used. He asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar months. The theorization that Sun, the soul, provides the anchor and hence Sun should be in the same sign and be the same Aaditya, was popularized. But deriving methods based on theorization and then trying to justify them practically is like putting the bullock cart in front of the bullock. Bullock should drive the cart and not the other way around. Methods should be derived and confirmed based on practical working. One can after all theorize *anything*. Principles should never be determined on the basis of theorization alone. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and PitriTarpana: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > , gopalkrishnagoel <g.k.goel@> wrote: > > > Dear RaoJi, > > > If any prominent event of the life will not be reflected in yearly chart, there is no reason > > > to refer them. These charts are studied along with birth charts. > > > MR. P.S.Iyer of PALGHATkerla ,explained me in detail in early 80's that the yearly charts based on SOLI-lunar year gives much reliable results. > > > it is my impression that you do not give VIMSOTTARIDASA ITS DUE IMPORTANCE.BPHS > > > written many chapter on this dasa alone.I may be wrong. Further , a in depth study is required > > > of such karika's as Laghu and MadyaParasari. > > > He met accident in the dasa of Rahu placed in 11H, which is eighth from 11H. Antardasa was of Sun > > > which is lord of 9H (6H from 4th) Sun is placed in 12H with Mars karka of accidents.Further, > > > Sun in placed in 2H from Rahu , a marka place from Rahu. Even more Sun is the lord of another Marka house from Rahu. It was writing on the wall that he would certainly met with some serious accident > > > in Rahu/Sun period.BPHS' S CHAPTER 55 ON MAJOR PERIOD OF RAHU SAYS SO. > > > LAGHUPARASARI'S Verses 36 37 ,27 AND 39may be refered: > > > Verse 36-If Rahu is placed in Shubh houses , even benefic planet not having sambandha with noded . will get benefic results according to sub- dasa lord. > > > Verse 37- In the sub-period of benefic lord , the native will get unauspicious results in the dasa of > > > malefic planets. > > > Verse 27 - says MALEFIC PLANET'S DASA MAY ALSO PROBE DEATH INFLICTING. > > > VERSE 39- Even dasa of marka planet does not kill in sub-period of benefic planet/ > > > > > > This is the reason that I slightly rectifird the birth time and accident was self-evident and not the death. > > > Jupiter is 4H lord and on the last degree of sign and in MARKA HOUSE FROM DASA LORD. > > > Jupiter DASA WAS NOT RUNNING . HIS PRYANTARDASA WAS RUNNING. DASA AND ANTARDASA LORD > > > ALWAYS PLANS THE EVENT AND EXCUTION IS ARRANGED IN SUB-SUB PERIOD. > > > There is a dictum that week Lagna lord can give accident. > > > I was giving reply to matured astrological group and was not teaching in the class.Was > > > it necessary to explain all these details.Surely he must be running . Rahu/Sun / Jup/Jup/Jup. This is the reason that Jupiter could not give protection as per rule given in verse 29 of LaghuParasari. > > > > > > In chart 20 , given in your book Vedic Astrology , a bad event had occurred in Jupiter/Moon > > > period which is self evident if we follow the rules given in MadyaPARASARI. Moon obtained > > > Gemini Navamsa occupied by ketu and placed in 8H.Moon will give set back in marriage > > > according to well defined rules in MadhyaParasari. > > > I am a fan of VIMSOTTARIDASA. > > > BESR REGARDS, > > > > > > > > > G. K. Goel > > > > > > JyotishWritings; vedic astrology; > > > pvr@ > > > Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:10:35 -0400 > > > TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us look at the TithiPravesha chart of 2008-09 for the birthdata given by Partha below. Using standard SJC teachings, annual TP chart is cast for 2008 November 20, 8:24:12 pm (IST), New Delhi. Jupiter's TithiAshtottaridasa gave the accident. Jupiter is the 7th and 10th lord in 7th in moolatrikona, joined by the 5th lord and giving a raja yoga. Why did he have a major accident in Jupiter dasa, be bed-ridden for 3 months and why did his career suffer? > > > > > > > > > > > > Though one can justify any event with any chart or any dasa or any technique by seeing shapes in clouds and beating around the bush, I honestly could not have seen that event in Jupiter dasa in that chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, note that Partha was born on *Margasira* Krishna Navami with Sun in Sc. In the TP chart above, Sun is in Sc again, but the tithi is *Karthika* Krishna Navami. Though solar month has been preserved, soli-lunar month (which is the basis for tithis!!!) has not been preserved. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you make a TP chart strictly using soli-lunar calendar (instead of mixing up soli-lunar days with solar months as taught by Sanjayji), you will get the annual TP chart on 2008 December 20, 10:02:13 am (IST), New Delhi. That happens to be Margasira Krishna Navami, though Sun is in Sg. In fact, his lunar birthday is celebrated on that day in tradition! > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart, Cp rises. Three planets are in the 12th house, whether you use SJC reckoning or the house reckoning I recommend. The 12th lord Jupiter is debilitated and with Rahu. This explains being bed-ridden much better. Saturn is in the 8th house in D-1 and D-30 and the accident occurred in his dasa as per both annual TithiAshtottaridasa and annual Vimsottaridasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no comparison. This chart explains the events on the ground much better than the version of TP chart given by Sanjayji's teachings. If you see a TP chart not explaining events well, please try the TP chart based strictly on soli-lunar months ( " Preferences " , " Related to calculations " , " TithiPrevesha Calculation Options " in JHora). The default in JHora is Sanjayji's teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentioned before, Sanjayji was not sure in 1998-99 whether solar or soli-lunar months should be used in TP. He honestly told that to me and asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar month based TP. The result of my research is that solar months should not be mixed up and soli-lunar months should be used. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and PitriTarpana: > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, ParthaSarathy <partvinu@> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had an accident last year because of which was bedridden for three months. You > > > > > > > can use either Narayanadasa or vimshottari to analyse the event for everybody's > > > > > > > benefit. > > > > > > > Transits can also be used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Event: June 11, 2009, 4:45 AM, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth particular > > > > > > > 15/december/ 1976 > > > > > > > Time: 8 :30 AM > > > > > > > PLace: New Delhi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. Honestly, i was expecting good last year, but everything > > > > > > > went from bad to worse, no salary for months, bad treatment at office > > > > > > > compounded matters. > > > > > > > Anyways, i am waiting for Jupiter dasa, atleast he should provide some > > > > > > > relief to the nonsense i am facing since 17 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Partha > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Dear M/S Sanjay Rath and Narahimha Rao and other members of group, Reference to the accident of Partha: 1, Solar return chart Solar return charts are no way inferior to TP charts In solar return chart, Muntha is placed in 6H with malefic Saturn and Sign Pisces is rising, This had indicated a difficult year for Partha both in Financial and health front. Lagna Lord Jupiter is placed in 11H in Capricorn with Rahu and Venus , lord of 8H. He had the accident in Moon/Mercury Mudda Dasa. We , in India , had adopted this Tajic method with some suitable amendments , as it is having lot of merit. 2, Tithi Pravesh yearly chart This is an old ancient method , adopted on same principles as Vikram Samvat Sar calendar. Let us not bring names of the months in the picture as it will further complicate the Issue, In North and South India, the name of the month in Shukla paksha are same but it is not applicable to Krishna Paksha. In North India , Purmanta lunar Months are followed but Samvat starts in the end of new moon. This is the reason that Lord Krishna’s birth day is celebrated in whole India , on the same day,But north says it is in Bhadra Krishna Astami and south calls it Shravan Krishna Astami. Similarly, TP Yearly chart will be subjected to complex problems. Say a person is born when Sun is at 29 deg Pisces. In TP yearl chart , if Sun comes in Pisces 9deg or Aries 8degree. The question is which is to be adopted. Clearly in this case where Sun is more near to natal Sun. BPHS allows an orb of 15 degree either side of the planet. Conclusion In the nativity of Mr. Partha , the event of his accident as well as bad financial condition is very evident and clear in Natal birth chart both by Vimsottary , and Narayan dasas as well as Tajic and TP yearly charts. GOD SHOULD SHOW THE CORRECT PARH. GURU SHOULD ALWAYS BE MERCIFUL TO HIS DECIPLES AND DECIPLELS SHOLD SHOW RESPECT TO GURU. Guru and disciple join each other to seek the truth , only God is superior to all of us. With kind regards and respect to all members of group. G. K. Goel From: astro_tellerkeralaDate: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:28:01 +0000 Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) Fw: Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) Dear All, Sanjayji's analysis was outstanding. As i said earlier, foot accident was one part of the story, my family also suffered illhealth during the year and i had to run around hospitals for most part of the year. Also i didnot have salary for months, there was constant humiliation in office despite extreme hard work. More than health, humiliation was the main theme of the year. Probably AK Sun antardasa was running, so God showed me my place, or probably was asking me to come back to Jyotish where i am not that bad. Regards Partha sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath wrote: > > > The Tithi Pravesha Chakra of 2008-09 clearly shows the event if we are prepared to look for it. All standard jyotish rules must be used in the Tithi Pravesh charts as taught by me in the past at SJC and in particular to Narasimha. > Rashi TP 2008 > > Navamsha TP 2008 > > 1.. Natal Chart of Partha Sarathy has Dhanus Lagna while the TP 2008-09 has Mithuna Lagna which is not only the maraka bhava but also the badhaka bhava for the chart. Therefore in the year 2008-09 mixed results will prevail with the 7th house indicating the events to come. > 2.. Lagnesha Mercury is in the 6th house of accidents and suffering and is severely afflicted by two agni tattva planets Mars and Sun. This shows astra-aghata and will surely bring operation or cutting of the body if other factors also indicate so. > 3.. Jupiter is the badhakesha of the chart and is well placed in own sign in Hamsa yoga with mantresha Shukra indicating a period when he shall have lot of time to do mantra japa. However the manner in which this will come about may not be good as Jupiter is in badhaka sign as badhakesh and is in Ghataka Nakshatra from Simha rashi [Purva Ashadha is ghataka for Simha]. The Moon is another maraka and is afflicted by Saturn. Now both Saturn and Jupiter, the two tormentors of the Moon as 8th lord (Sat) and badhaka in ghataka nakshatra (Jup) are in Scorpio Navamsha. Thus, Jupiter is in Roga-amsha I.e. navamsha of the sign in the 6th house of the rashi chart and as per Rasi-Tulya-Amsha, Jupiter will indicate accidents and such other adverse results. > 4.. Further, Jupiter is under severe papa-kartari yoga between Mars and Sun on the one side and Rahu in the 8th house , on the other side. > 5.. There is unbroken Kala Sarpa Yoga working on this chart for the year 2008-09 along the Rudra Axis = 2-8th house axis which is very dangerous. There is no breakage at all for the KSY and the native will have to suffer it. > Timing of the event > a.. Tithi Ashtottari Dasha: The event happened exactly when the maraka (7th) bhava functioned in Jupiter dasha-Venus antardasa having the papa-kartari yoga. > b.. Narayana Dasha: Exactly on the date Virgo dasha started with Mandi in it in Sagittarius antardasha. In the Navamsha, Virgo is 7th house with Mars in MKS and Sagittarius has Ketu showing accidents. In D1, we have already seen how Sg is geared for the event due to the Papa kartari Yoga. > c.. Vimsottari dasa: (Personally I like this dasha very much). Jupiter dasha Saturn antardasha. See the arguments to the Moon affliction. Any affliction to the Moon will surely bring health related issues. > So how can we say that the TP chart is not right or not working. On the other hand what is being suggested as a modification is that the Lunar months alone be used. If that be so, then people born in Adhika/Mala maasa will actually have birthdays falling in every few years unless we stretch the rules to accommodate them in the regular Lunar months. > The traditional system, as I have learnt it, requires the Sun to be the same as *Sarvaatma Divakara - Sun is the representation of the soul and this cannot change in one body*. This is the Aditya who brings us to this planet and is responsible for us continued existence. We have to respect its boundaries - these are of 30 degrees each. So, if I am born with the Sun in Cancer, it must remain so. > > In fact the Greek Astrology [Tajika jyotish] uses this in a very strict manner in which the (1) Sun is brought back to the exact degree-minute of longitude for Annual returns. > However, we in Vedic use (1) Sun return to the same sign instead of exact degree and (2) Sun-Moon angle = Tithi and Karana to be the same. > What Narasimha is suggesting is to drop (1) Sun factor altogether and only use factor (2). > > No harm in testing this, but one must use standard jyotish rules to test the validity of the traditional system before replacing it with a new one. > Regards > Sanjay Rath > > > Narasimha PVR Rao > Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:51 AM > vedic astrology ; ;JyotishWritings > [vedic astrology] Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > > > Namaste Goel saab, > > The issue is NOT whether natal Vimsottari dasa shows the event or not. The issue is whether annual TP chart shows it or not. > > The native in question had an accident and was bed-ridden for 3 months. The annual TP chart (using solar months) does not show it at all. If one says, "the event happened even though annual TP chart does not shows it, because natal Vimsottari dasa shows it", what is the point in even using annual TP charts? > > I agree that no technique works in a vacuum and with 100% accuracy. But, any good technique cannot be so badly off. It has to show an event to some degree or the other. The exact degree to which an event happens is cumulatively decided by many factors. But each good factor has to show the event to some degree or the other. > > As I showed, by using soli-lunar months to make annual TP chart, you can see that 12th lord Jupiter was debilitated and with Rahu and there were afflictions in 12th, explaining the problem with foot. Dasa of a planet in 8th in rasi and D-30 gave the accident. Annual TP chart explains the event quite well. > > If one sticks to a wrong definition of annual TP chart, one will occasionally have to abandon it and take recourse to Vimsottari dasa. > > * * * > > As I said earlier, people do celebrate their soli-lunar birthday based on soli-lunar month. For example, Lord Rama's birthday is celebrated on the Sukla Navami tithi of *Chaitra* months and not the Sukla Navami tithi of a specific solar month (Meena or Mesha). Sun may be in Meena sometimes and Mesha sometimes, on Sri Rama Navami. Same thing with the birthdays of individuals. Same thing with annual TP chart. > > * * * > > Even Sanjay ji was not sure in late 1998 whether solar months or soli-lunar months should be used. He asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar months. The theorization that Sun, the soul, provides the anchor and hence Sun should be in the same sign and be the same Aaditya, was popularized. But deriving methods based on theorization and then trying to justify them practically is like putting the bullock cart in front of the bullock. Bullock should drive the cart and not the other way around. Methods should be derived and confirmed based on practical working. One can after all theorize *anything*. Principles should never be determined on the basis of theorization alone. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------- > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > "Do It Yourself" ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Spirituality: > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > ------------------------- Where to invest money? Visit MSN Money Special for tax, loans, insurance, realty and savings related recommendations Sign up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Dear Rajarshi ji, No technique or method is fool-proof. This is the reason we have so many alternatives. Regards, G. K. Goel rajarshi14 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:31:56 +0530 RE: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) Namaste Goel ji, But TP itself can work as a stand alone technique, no? -Regards Rajarshi --- On Tue, 23/3/10, gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote: gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel RE: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) , vedic astrology , Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 3:56 PM Dear Rao Ji, If any prominent event of the life will not be reflected in yearly chart, there is no reason to refer them. These charts are studied along with birth charts. MR. P.S.Iyer of PALGHAT kerla ,explained me in detail in early 80's that the yearly charts based on SOLI-lunar year gives much reliable results. it is my impression that you do not give VIMSOTTARI DASA ITS DUE IMPORTANCE.BPHS written many chapter on this dasa alone.I may be wrong. Further , a in depth study is required of such karika's as Laghu and Madya Parasari. He met accident in the dasa of Rahu placed in 11H, which is eighth from 11H. Antardasa was of Sun which is lord of 9H (6H from 4th) Sun is placed in 12H with Mars karka of accidents.Further, Sun in placed in 2H from Rahu , a marka place from Rahu. Even more Sun is the lord of another Marka house from Rahu. It was writing on the wall that he would certainly met with some serious accident in Rahu/Sun period.BPHS' S CHAPTER 55 ON MAJOR PERIOD OF RAHU SAYS SO. LAGHU PARASARI'S Verses 36 37 ,27 AND 39may be refered: Verse 36-If Rahu is placed in Shubh houses , even benefic planet not having sambandha with noded . will get benefic results according to sub- dasa lord. Verse 37- In the sub-period of benefic lord , the native will get unauspicious results in the dasa of malefic planets. Verse 27 - says MALEFIC PLANET'S DASA MAY ALSO PROBE DEATH INFLICTING. VERSE 39- Even dasa of marka planet does not kill in sub-period of benefic planet/ This is the reason that I slightly rectifird the birth time and accident was self-evident and not the death. Jupiter is 4H lord and on the last degree of sign and in MARKA HOUSE FROM DASA LORD. Jupiter DASA WAS NOT RUNNING . HIS PRYANTAR DASA WAS RUNNING. DASA AND ANTARDASA LORD ALWAYS PLANS THE EVENT AND EXCUTION IS ARRANGED IN SUB-SUB PERIOD. There is a dictum that week Lagna lord can give accident. I was giving reply to matured astrological group and was not teaching in the class.Was it necessary to explain all these details.Surely he must be running . Rahu/Sun / Jup/Jup/Jup. This is the reason that Jupiter could not give protection as per rule given in verse 29 of Laghu Parasari. In chart 20 , given in your book Vedic Astrology , a bad event had occurred in Jupiter/Moon period which is self evident if we follow the rules given in Madya PARASARI. Moon obtained Gemini Navamsa occupied by ketu and placed in 8H.Moon will give set back in marriage according to well defined rules in Madhya Parasari. I am a fan of VIMSOTTARI DASA. BESR REGARDS, G. K. Goel JyotishWritings; vedic astrology; pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:10:35 -0400 TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) Namaste, Let us look at the Tithi Pravesha chart of 2008-09 for the birthdata given by Partha below. Using standard SJC teachings, annual TP chart is cast for 2008 November 20, 8:24:12 pm (IST), New Delhi. Jupiter's Tithi Ashtottari dasa gave the accident. Jupiter is the 7th and 10th lord in 7th in moolatrikona, joined by the 5th lord and giving a raja yoga. Why did he have a major accident in Jupiter dasa, be bed-ridden for 3 months and why did his career suffer? Though one can justify any event with any chart or any dasa or any technique by seeing shapes in clouds and beating around the bush, I honestly could not have seen that event in Jupiter dasa in that chart. * * * Now, note that Partha was born on *Margasira* Krishna Navami with Sun in Sc. In the TP chart above, Sun is in Sc again, but the tithi is *Karthika* Krishna Navami. Though solar month has been preserved, soli-lunar month (which is the basis for tithis!!!) has not been preserved. If you make a TP chart strictly using soli-lunar calendar (instead of mixing up soli-lunar days with solar months as taught by Sanjay ji), you will get the annual TP chart on 2008 December 20, 10:02:13 am (IST), New Delhi. That happens to be Margasira Krishna Navami, though Sun is in Sg. In fact, his lunar birthday is celebrated on that day in tradition! In this chart, Cp rises. Three planets are in the 12th house, whether you use SJC reckoning or the house reckoning I recommend. The 12th lord Jupiter is debilitated and with Rahu. This explains being bed-ridden much better. Saturn is in the 8th house in D-1 and D-30 and the accident occurred in his dasa as per both annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa and annual Vimsottari dasa. * * * There is no comparison. This chart explains the events on the ground much better than the version of TP chart given by Sanjay ji's teachings. If you see a TP chart not explaining events well, please try the TP chart based strictly on soli-lunar months ( " Preferences " , " Related to calculations " , " Tithi Prevesha Calculation Options " in JHora). The default in JHora is Sanjay ji's teaching. As I mentioned before, Sanjay ji was not sure in 1998-99 whether solar or soli-lunar months should be used in TP. He honestly told that to me and asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar month based TP. The result of my research is that solar months should not be mixed up and soli-lunar months should be used. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - sohamsa@ .com, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@.. .> wrote: > Hi All, > > I had an accident last year because of which was bedridden for three months. You > can use either Narayana dasa or vimshottari to analyse the event for everybody's > benefit. > Transits can also be used. > > Event: June 11, 2009, 4:45 AM, chennai > > Birth particular > 15/december/ 1976 > Time: 8 :30 AM > PLace: New Delhi, > > Regards > Partha > Dear Goel Sir, > > Thank you. Honestly, i was expecting good last year, but everything > went from bad to worse, no salary for months, bad treatment at office > compounded matters. > Anyways, i am waiting for Jupiter dasa, atleast he should provide some > relief to the nonsense i am facing since 17 years. > > Regards > Partha ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ The latest songs, trailers and more http://video. in.msn.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Namaste, > The Tithi Pravesha Chakra of 2008-09 clearly shows > the event if we are prepared to look for it. If one is prepared to look hard, any chart can be made to clearly show any event! Agreed that Jupiter, whose dasa gave the accident that confined him to a bed for 3 months, is the badhaka lord. But he is also the hamsa yoga giver and 7th and 10th lord conjoining 5th lord. You said it indicates " a period when he shall have lot of time to do mantra japa " . But surely there must be many ways in which that can be given without an accident that confines him to a bed for 3 months. Why should career suffer and he should be confined to a bed for 3 months? In the chart based on soli-lunar months (i.e. TP on 2008 Dec 20 at 10:02 am), the 12th lord Jupiter is in debility and with Rahu. The 12th house is afflicted. Bandhana sahamam lord Mars is in a deep gandanta and close to Gulika. This is a much much simpler case. * * * Please note that Sri Gopal Goel resorted to the argument that Vimsottari dasa shows the event and annual TP can be overridden by Vimsottari. When Rajarshi specifically asked on if annual TP is expected to work as a stand-alone technique, he cryptically replied " No technique or method is fool-proof. This is the reason we have so many alternatives " . Thus, he implicitly acknowledged that the event is not showing well in 2008-09 annual TP chart (when using your definition, i.e. TP on 2008 Nov 20 at 8:24 pm)! An astrologer of the stature of Goel ji could not see clear logic in the chart that you are justifying now! It adds to my argument that the justification is convoluted and unconvincing. On the other hand, justification with annual TP cast using soli-lunar months is so simple and straight-forward. * * * > What Narasimha is suggesting is to drop (1) Sun factor > altogether and only use factor (2). Not exactly. I am suggesting replacing (1) Sun factor at birth by Sun-factor at the beginning of the month of birth. For annual birthday, we should match the month and day with the month and day of birth every year. The question is what month to use. Month is a division of year. Each year should start when a specific month starts and end when a specific month ends. Day is a division of month. Each month should start when a specific day starts and end when a specific day ends. You are teaching to find TP chart when month and tithi return, using solar months as the months and tithis as the days. A solar month may begin in the MIDDLE of ANY tithi and it may end in the MIDDLE of ANY tithi. Why mix solar month with tithis then? If you use soli-lunar months as the months and tithis as the days, then each month starts when a particular tithi starts and ends when a particular tithi ends. Months and days are lined up. This is a far more consistent methodology and the name of a soli-lunar month is fixed based on the position of Sun and Moon at the beginning of the month. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - vedic astrology , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote: > > The Tithi Pravesha Chakra of 2008-09 clearly shows the event if we are prepared to look for it. All standard jyotish rules must be used in the Tithi Pravesh charts as taught by me in the past at SJC and in particular to Narasimha. > Rashi TP 2008 > > Navamsha TP 2008 > > 1.. Natal Chart of Partha Sarathy has Dhanus Lagna while the TP 2008-09 has Mithuna Lagna which is not only the maraka bhava but also the badhaka bhava for the chart. Therefore in the year 2008-09 mixed results will prevail with the 7th house indicating the events to come. > 2.. Lagnesha Mercury is in the 6th house of accidents and suffering and is severely afflicted by two agni tattva planets Mars and Sun. This shows astra-aghata and will surely bring operation or cutting of the body if other factors also indicate so. > 3.. Jupiter is the badhakesha of the chart and is well placed in own sign in Hamsa yoga with mantresha Shukra indicating a period when he shall have lot of time to do mantra japa. However the manner in which this will come about may not be good as Jupiter is in badhaka sign as badhakesh and is in Ghataka Nakshatra from Simha rashi [Purva Ashadha is ghataka for Simha]. The Moon is another maraka and is afflicted by Saturn. Now both Saturn and Jupiter, the two tormentors of the Moon as 8th lord (Sat) and badhaka in ghataka nakshatra (Jup) are in Scorpio Navamsha. Thus, Jupiter is in Roga-amsha I.e. navamsha of the sign in the 6th house of the rashi chart and as per Rasi-Tulya-Amsha, Jupiter will indicate accidents and such other adverse results. > 4.. Further, Jupiter is under severe papa-kartari yoga between Mars and Sun on the one side and Rahu in the 8th house , on the other side. > 5.. There is unbroken Kala Sarpa Yoga working on this chart for the year 2008-09 along the Rudra Axis = 2-8th house axis which is very dangerous. There is no breakage at all for the KSY and the native will have to suffer it. > Timing of the event > a.. Tithi Ashtottari Dasha: The event happened exactly when the maraka (7th) bhava functioned in Jupiter dasha-Venus antardasa having the papa-kartari yoga. > b.. Narayana Dasha: Exactly on the date Virgo dasha started with Mandi in it in Sagittarius antardasha. In the Navamsha, Virgo is 7th house with Mars in MKS and Sagittarius has Ketu showing accidents. In D1, we have already seen how Sg is geared for the event due to the Papa kartari Yoga. > c.. Vimsottari dasa: (Personally I like this dasha very much). Jupiter dasha Saturn antardasha. See the arguments to the Moon affliction. Any affliction to the Moon will surely bring health related issues. > So how can we say that the TP chart is not right or not working. On the other hand what is being suggested as a modification is that the Lunar months alone be used. If that be so, then people born in Adhika/Mala maasa will actually have birthdays falling in every few years unless we stretch the rules to accommodate them in the regular Lunar months. > The traditional system, as I have learnt it, requires the Sun to be the same as *Sarvaatma Divakara - Sun is the representation of the soul and this cannot change in one body*. This is the Aditya who brings us to this planet and is responsible for us continued existence. We have to respect its boundaries - these are of 30 degrees each. So, if I am born with the Sun in Cancer, it must remain so. > > In fact the Greek Astrology [Tajika jyotish] uses this in a very strict manner in which the (1) Sun is brought back to the exact degree-minute of longitude for Annual returns. > However, we in Vedic use (1) Sun return to the same sign instead of exact degree and (2) Sun-Moon angle = Tithi and Karana to be the same. > What Narasimha is suggesting is to drop (1) Sun factor altogether and only use factor (2). > > No harm in testing this, but one must use standard jyotish rules to test the validity of the traditional system before replacing it with a new one. > Regards > Sanjay Rath > > > Narasimha PVR Rao > Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:51 AM > vedic astrology ; ; JyotishWritings > [vedic astrology] Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > > > Namaste Goel saab, > > The issue is NOT whether natal Vimsottari dasa shows the event or not. The issue is whether annual TP chart shows it or not. > > The native in question had an accident and was bed-ridden for 3 months. The annual TP chart (using solar months) does not show it at all. If one says, " the event happened even though annual TP chart does not shows it, because natal Vimsottari dasa shows it " , what is the point in even using annual TP charts? > > I agree that no technique works in a vacuum and with 100% accuracy. But, any good technique cannot be so badly off. It has to show an event to some degree or the other. The exact degree to which an event happens is cumulatively decided by many factors. But each good factor has to show the event to some degree or the other. > > As I showed, by using soli-lunar months to make annual TP chart, you can see that 12th lord Jupiter was debilitated and with Rahu and there were afflictions in 12th, explaining the problem with foot. Dasa of a planet in 8th in rasi and D-30 gave the accident. Annual TP chart explains the event quite well. > > If one sticks to a wrong definition of annual TP chart, one will occasionally have to abandon it and take recourse to Vimsottari dasa. > > * * * > > As I said earlier, people do celebrate their soli-lunar birthday based on soli-lunar month. For example, Lord Rama's birthday is celebrated on the Sukla Navami tithi of *Chaitra* months and not the Sukla Navami tithi of a specific solar month (Meena or Mesha). Sun may be in Meena sometimes and Mesha sometimes, on Sri Rama Navami. Same thing with the birthdays of individuals. Same thing with annual TP chart. > > * * * > > Even Sanjay ji was not sure in late 1998 whether solar months or soli-lunar months should be used. He asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar months. The theorization that Sun, the soul, provides the anchor and hence Sun should be in the same sign and be the same Aaditya, was popularized. But deriving methods based on theorization and then trying to justify them practically is like putting the bullock cart in front of the bullock. Bullock should drive the cart and not the other way around. Methods should be derived and confirmed based on practical working. One can after all theorize *anything*. Principles should never be determined on the basis of theorization alone. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------- > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Spirituality: > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > ------------------------- > > , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel@> wrote: > > Dear Rao Ji, > > If any prominent event of the life will not be reflected in yearly chart, there is no reason > > to refer them. These charts are studied along with birth charts. > > MR. P.S.Iyer of PALGHAT kerla ,explained me in detail in early 80's that the yearly charts based on SOLI-lunar year gives much reliable results. > > it is my impression that you do not give VIMSOTTARI DASA ITS DUE IMPORTANCE.BPHS > > written many chapter on this dasa alone.I may be wrong. Further , a in depth study is required > > of such karika's as Laghu and Madya Parasari. > > He met accident in the dasa of Rahu placed in 11H, which is eighth from 11H. Antardasa was of Sun > > which is lord of 9H (6H from 4th) Sun is placed in 12H with Mars karka of accidents.Further, > > Sun in placed in 2H from Rahu , a marka place from Rahu. Even more Sun is the lord of another Marka house from Rahu. It was writing on the wall that he would certainly met with some serious accident > > in Rahu/Sun period.BPHS'S CHAPTER 55 ON MAJOR PERIOD OF RAHU SAYS SO. > > LAGHU PARASARI'S Verses 36 37 ,27 AND 39may be refered: > > Verse 36-If Rahu is placed in Shubh houses , even benefic planet not having sambandha with noded . will get benefic results according to sub- dasa lord. > > Verse 37- In the sub-period of benefic lord , the native will get unauspicious results in the dasa of > > malefic planets. > > Verse 27 - says MALEFIC PLANET'S DASA MAY ALSO PROBE DEATH INFLICTING. > > VERSE 39- Even dasa of marka planet does not kill in sub-period of benefic planet/ > > > > This is the reason that I slightly rectifird the birth time and accident was self-evident and not the death. > > Jupiter is 4H lord and on the last degree of sign and in MARKA HOUSE FROM DASA LORD. > > Jupiter DASA WAS NOT RUNNING . HIS PRYANTAR DASA WAS RUNNING. DASA AND ANTARDASA LORD > > ALWAYS PLANS THE EVENT AND EXCUTION IS ARRANGED IN SUB-SUB PERIOD. > > There is a dictum that week Lagna lord can give accident. > > I was giving reply to matured astrological group and was not teaching in the class.Was > > it necessary to explain all these details.Surely he must be running . Rahu/Sun / Jup/Jup/Jup.This is the reason that Jupiter could not give protection as per rule given in verse 29 of Laghu Parasari. > > > > In chart 20 , given in your book Vedic Astrology , a bad event had occurred in Jupiter/Moon > > period which is self evident if we follow the rules given in Madya PARASARI. Moon obtained > > Gemini Navamsa occupied by ketu and placed in 8H.Moon will give set back in marriage > > according to well defined rules in Madhya Parasari. > > I am a fan of VIMSOTTARI DASA. > > BESR REGARDS, > > > > > > G. K. Goel > > > > JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; > > pvr@ > > Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:10:35 -0400 > > TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Let us look at the Tithi Pravesha chart of 2008-09 for the birthdata given by Partha below. Using standard SJC teachings, annual TP chart is cast for 2008 November 20, 8:24:12 pm (IST), New Delhi. Jupiter's Tithi Ashtottari dasa gave the accident. Jupiter is the 7th and 10th lord in 7th in moolatrikona, joined by the 5th lord and giving a raja yoga. Why did he have a major accident in Jupiter dasa, be bed-ridden for 3 months and why did his career suffer? > > > > > > > > Though one can justify any event with any chart or any dasa or any technique by seeing shapes in clouds and beating around the bush, I honestly could not have seen that event in Jupiter dasa in that chart. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Now, note that Partha was born on *Margasira* Krishna Navami with Sun in Sc. In the TP chart above, Sun is in Sc again, but the tithi is *Karthika* Krishna Navami. Though solar month has been preserved, soli-lunar month (which is the basis for tithis!!!) has not been preserved. > > > > > > > > If you make a TP chart strictly using soli-lunar calendar (instead of mixing up soli-lunar days with solar months as taught by Sanjay ji), you will get the annual TP chart on 2008 December 20, 10:02:13 am (IST), New Delhi. That happens to be Margasira Krishna Navami, though Sun is in Sg. In fact, his lunar birthday is celebrated on that day in tradition! > > > > > > > > In this chart, Cp rises. Three planets are in the 12th house, whether you use SJC reckoning or the house reckoning I recommend. The 12th lord Jupiter is debilitated and with Rahu. This explains being bed-ridden much better. Saturn is in the 8th house in D-1 and D-30 and the accident occurred in his dasa as per both annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa and annual Vimsottari dasa. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > There is no comparison. This chart explains the events on the ground much better than the version of TP chart given by Sanjay ji's teachings. If you see a TP chart not explaining events well, please try the TP chart based strictly on soli-lunar months ( " Preferences " , " Related to calculations " , " Tithi Prevesha Calculation Options " in JHora). The default in JHora is Sanjay ji's teaching. > > > > > > > > As I mentioned before, Sanjay ji was not sure in 1998-99 whether solar or soli-lunar months should be used in TP. He honestly told that to me and asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar month based TP. The result of my research is that solar months should not be mixed up and soli-lunar months should be used. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------------------- > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > Spirituality: > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Partha Sarathy <partvinu@> wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > I had an accident last year because of which was bedridden for three months. You > > > > > can use either Narayana dasa or vimshottari to analyse the event for everybody's > > > > > benefit. > > > > > Transits can also be used. > > > > > > > > > > Event: June 11, 2009, 4:45 AM, chennai > > > > > > > > > > Birth particular > > > > > 15/december/1976 > > > > > Time: 8 :30 AM > > > > > PLace: New Delhi, > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Partha > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel Sir, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. Honestly, i was expecting good last year, but everything > > > > > went from bad to worse, no salary for months, bad treatment at office > > > > > compounded matters. > > > > > Anyways, i am waiting for Jupiter dasa, atleast he should provide some > > > > > relief to the nonsense i am facing since 17 years. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 I really do not know whether I should be or should not be joining this thread now, but it is a proven fact that since ages, the Ashrams and Saints and astrologers have been celebrating their birthdays according to janma nakshatra and janma tithi basis, which what modified in nomenclature becomes tithi pravesha. best wishes, Manoj ________________________________ gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel Wed, March 24, 2010 5:12:38 AM RE: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) Â Dear Rajarshi ji, No technique or method is fool-proof. This is the reason we have so many alternatives. Regards, G. K. Goel rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:31:56 +0530 RE: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) Namaste Goel ji, But TP itself can work as a stand alone technique, no? -Regards Rajarshi --- On Tue, 23/3/10, gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> RE: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) , vedic astrology, ancient_indian_ astrology Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 3:56 PM Dear Rao Ji, If any prominent event of the life will not be reflected in yearly chart, there is no reason to refer them. These charts are studied along with birth charts. MR. P.S.Iyer of PALGHAT kerla ,explained me in detail in early 80's that the yearly charts based on SOLI-lunar year gives much reliable results. it is my impression that you do not give VIMSOTTARI DASA ITS DUE IMPORTANCE.BPHS written many chapter on this dasa alone.I may be wrong. Further , a in depth study is required of such karika's as Laghu and Madya Parasari. He met accident in the dasa of Rahu placed in 11H, which is eighth from 11H. Antardasa was of Sun which is lord of 9H (6H from 4th) Sun is placed in 12H with Mars karka of accidents.Further, Sun in placed in 2H from Rahu , a marka place from Rahu. Even more Sun is the lord of another Marka house from Rahu. It was writing on the wall that he would certainly met with some serious accident in Rahu/Sun period.BPHS' S CHAPTER 55 ON MAJOR PERIOD OF RAHU SAYS SO. LAGHU PARASARI'S Verses 36 37 ,27 AND 39may be refered: Verse 36-If Rahu is placed in Shubh houses , even benefic planet not having sambandha with noded . will get benefic results according to sub- dasa lord. Verse 37- In the sub-period of benefic lord , the native will get unauspicious results in the dasa of malefic planets. Verse 27 - says MALEFIC PLANET'S DASA MAY ALSO PROBE DEATH INFLICTING. VERSE 39- Even dasa of marka planet does not kill in sub-period of benefic planet/ This is the reason that I slightly rectifird the birth time and accident was self-evident and not the death. Jupiter is 4H lord and on the last degree of sign and in MARKA HOUSE FROM DASA LORD. Jupiter DASA WAS NOT RUNNING . HIS PRYANTAR DASA WAS RUNNING. DASA AND ANTARDASA LORD ALWAYS PLANS THE EVENT AND EXCUTION IS ARRANGED IN SUB-SUB PERIOD. There is a dictum that week Lagna lord can give accident. I was giving reply to matured astrological group and was not teaching in the class.Was it necessary to explain all these details.Surely he must be running . Rahu/Sun / Jup/Jup/Jup. This is the reason that Jupiter could not give protection as per rule given in verse 29 of Laghu Parasari. In chart 20 , given in your book Vedic Astrology , a bad event had occurred in Jupiter/Moon period which is self evident if we follow the rules given in Madya PARASARI. Moon obtained Gemini Navamsa occupied by ketu and placed in 8H.Moon will give set back in marriage according to well defined rules in Madhya Parasari. I am a fan of VIMSOTTARI DASA. BESR REGARDS, G. K. Goel JyotishWritings; vedic astrology; pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:10:35 -0400 TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) Namaste, Let us look at the Tithi Pravesha chart of 2008-09 for the birthdata given by Partha below. Using standard SJC teachings, annual TP chart is cast for 2008 November 20, 8:24:12 pm (IST), New Delhi. Jupiter's Tithi Ashtottari dasa gave the accident. Jupiter is the 7th and 10th lord in 7th in moolatrikona, joined by the 5th lord and giving a raja yoga. Why did he have a major accident in Jupiter dasa, be bed-ridden for 3 months and why did his career suffer? Though one can justify any event with any chart or any dasa or any technique by seeing shapes in clouds and beating around the bush, I honestly could not have seen that event in Jupiter dasa in that chart. * * * Now, note that Partha was born on *Margasira* Krishna Navami with Sun in Sc. In the TP chart above, Sun is in Sc again, but the tithi is *Karthika* Krishna Navami. Though solar month has been preserved, soli-lunar month (which is the basis for tithis!!!) has not been preserved. If you make a TP chart strictly using soli-lunar calendar (instead of mixing up soli-lunar days with solar months as taught by Sanjay ji), you will get the annual TP chart on 2008 December 20, 10:02:13 am (IST), New Delhi. That happens to be Margasira Krishna Navami, though Sun is in Sg. In fact, his lunar birthday is celebrated on that day in tradition! In this chart, Cp rises. Three planets are in the 12th house, whether you use SJC reckoning or the house reckoning I recommend. The 12th lord Jupiter is debilitated and with Rahu. This explains being bed-ridden much better. Saturn is in the 8th house in D-1 and D-30 and the accident occurred in his dasa as per both annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa and annual Vimsottari dasa. * * * There is no comparison. This chart explains the events on the ground much better than the version of TP chart given by Sanjay ji's teachings. If you see a TP chart not explaining events well, please try the TP chart based strictly on soli-lunar months ( " Preferences " , " Related to calculations " , " Tithi Prevesha Calculation Options " in JHora). The default in JHora is Sanjay ji's teaching. As I mentioned before, Sanjay ji was not sure in 1998-99 whether solar or soli-lunar months should be used in TP. He honestly told that to me and asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar month based TP. The result of my research is that solar months should not be mixed up and soli-lunar months should be used. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - sohamsa@ .com, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@.. .> wrote: > Hi All, > > I had an accident last year because of which was bedridden for three months. You > can use either Narayana dasa or vimshottari to analyse the event for everybody's > benefit. > Transits can also be used. > > Event: June 11, 2009, 4:45 AM, chennai > > Birth particular > 15/december/ 1976 > Time: 8 :30 AM > PLace: New Delhi, > > Regards > Partha > Dear Goel Sir, > > Thank you. Honestly, i was expecting good last year, but everything > went from bad to worse, no salary for months, bad treatment at office > compounded matters. > Anyways, i am waiting for Jupiter dasa, atleast he should provide some > relief to the nonsense i am facing since 17 years. > > Regards > Partha ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ The latest songs, trailers and more http://video. in.msn.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 The points raised, relevant ones, are replied to - Sanjay Rath Narasimha PVR Rao Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:05 AM vedic astrology ; ; JyotishWritings [vedic astrology] Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) Namaste, > The Tithi Pravesha Chakra of 2008-09 clearly shows > the event if we are prepared to look for it. If one is prepared to look hard, any chart can be made to clearly show any event! Agreed that Jupiter, whose dasa gave the accident that confined him to a bed for 3 months, is the badhaka lord. But he is also the hamsa yoga giver and 7th and 10th lord conjoining 5th lord. You said it indicates " a period when he shall have lot of time to do mantra japa " . But surely there must be many ways in which that can be given without an accident that confines him to a bed for 3 months. Why should career suffer and he should be confined to a bed for 3 months? Rath: This has been clearly explained with various tools of jyotish including Ghataka Nakshatra, Rashi-tulya-navamsha etc. The positions from Moon have also been explained. Please study them again In the chart based on soli-lunar months (i.e. TP on 2008 Dec 20 at 10:02 am), the 12th lord Jupiter is in debility and with Rahu. The 12th house is afflicted. Bandhana sahamam lord Mars is in a deep gandanta and close to Gulika. This is a much much simpler case. Rath: You are mixing Vedic- astrology with Greek Tajika system. Now you are using the Sahama of the Tajika Annual Solar return chart with the Vedic Tithi Pravesha. Next you will use this to justify the use of Easarpa Yoga and Itthasala Yoga in Vedic Astrology. When you are using TP, use everything Vedic and then compare to see if it shows better. * * * Please note that Sri Gopal Goel resorted to the argument that Vimsottari dasa shows the event and annual TP can be overridden by Vimsottari. When Rajarshi specifically asked on if annual TP is expected to work as a stand-alone technique, he cryptically replied " No technique or method is fool-proof. This is the reason we have so many alternatives " . Thus, he implicitly acknowledged that the event is not showing well in 2008-09 annual TP chart (when using your definition, i.e. TP on 2008 Nov 20 at 8:24 pm)! An astrologer of the stature of Goel ji could not see clear logic in the chart that you are justifying now! It adds to my argument that the justification is convoluted and unconvincing. On the other hand, justification with annual TP cast using soli-lunar months is so simple and straight-forward. Rath: Poor Goel ji. Now you are using his generalised statement defending the Tajika system as a means to cover up. In fact what Goelji wrote about the Varshaphala chakra (Solar return chart) is very very rudimentary. Maybe I should do this one day and show how Tajika system is used with all its Yogas and Patyayini dasha. But then that will deviate from current topic. So lets stop looking for votes from Goelji or others. He has neither voted in your favour nor mine. He is making a statement saying that everything works sometimes and sometimes it does not work... so lets just leave this out. * * * Your arguments about using the Sun are very stretched - especially when you use the Lunar month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Namaste, > The Tithi Pravesha Chakra of 2008-09 clearly shows > the event if we are prepared to look for it. If one is prepared to look hard, any chart can be made to clearly show any event! Agreed that Jupiter, whose dasa gave the accident that confined him to a bed for 3 months, is the badhaka lord. But he is also the hamsa yoga giver and 7th and 10th lord conjoining 5th lord. You said it indicates " a period when he shall have lot of time to do mantra japa " . But surely there must be many ways in which that can be given without an accident that confines him to a bed for 3 months. Why should career suffer and he should be confined to a bed for 3 months? In the chart based on soli-lunar months (i.e. TP on 2008 Dec 20 at 10:02 am), the 12th lord Jupiter is in debility and with Rahu. The 12th house is afflicted. Bandhana sahamam lord Mars is in a deep gandanta and close to Gulika. This is a much much simpler case. * * * Please note that Sri Gopal Goel resorted to the argument that Vimsottari dasa shows the event and annual TP can be overridden by Vimsottari. When Rajarshi specifically asked on if annual TP is expected to work as a stand-alone technique, he cryptically replied " No technique or method is fool-proof. This is the reason we have so many alternatives " . Thus, he implicitly acknowledged that the event is not showing well in 2008-09 annual TP chart (when using your definition, i.e. TP on 2008 Nov 20 at 8:24 pm)! An astrologer of the stature of Goel ji could not see clear logic in the chart that you are justifying now! It adds to my argument that the justification is convoluted and unconvincing. On the other hand, justification with annual TP cast using soli-lunar months is so simple and straight-forward. * * * > What Narasimha is suggesting is to drop (1) Sun factor > altogether and only use factor (2). Not exactly. I am suggesting replacing (1) Sun factor at birth by Sun-factor at the beginning of the month of birth. For annual birthday, we should match the month and day with the month and day of birth every year. The question is what month to use. Month is a division of year. Each year should start when a specific month starts and end when a specific month ends. Day is a division of month. Each month should start when a specific day starts and end when a specific day ends. You are teaching to find TP chart when month and tithi return, using solar months as the months and tithis as the days. A solar month may begin in the MIDDLE of ANY tithi and it may end in the MIDDLE of ANY tithi. Why mix solar month with tithis then? If you use soli-lunar months as the months and tithis as the days, then each month starts when a particular tithi starts and ends when a particular tithi ends. Months and days are lined up. This is a far more consistent methodology and the name of a soli-lunar month is fixed based on the position of Sun and Moon at the beginning of the month. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - vedic astrology , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote: > > The Tithi Pravesha Chakra of 2008-09 clearly shows the event if we are prepared to look for it. All standard jyotish rules must be used in the Tithi Pravesh charts as taught by me in the past at SJC and in particular to Narasimha. > Rashi TP 2008 > > Navamsha TP 2008 > > 1.. Natal Chart of Partha Sarathy has Dhanus Lagna while the TP 2008-09 has Mithuna Lagna which is not only the maraka bhava but also the badhaka bhava for the chart. Therefore in the year 2008-09 mixed results will prevail with the 7th house indicating the events to come. > 2.. Lagnesha Mercury is in the 6th house of accidents and suffering and is severely afflicted by two agni tattva planets Mars and Sun. This shows astra-aghata and will surely bring operation or cutting of the body if other factors also indicate so. > 3.. Jupiter is the badhakesha of the chart and is well placed in own sign in Hamsa yoga with mantresha Shukra indicating a period when he shall have lot of time to do mantra japa. However the manner in which this will come about may not be good as Jupiter is in badhaka sign as badhakesh and is in Ghataka Nakshatra from Simha rashi [Purva Ashadha is ghataka for Simha]. The Moon is another maraka and is afflicted by Saturn. Now both Saturn and Jupiter, the two tormentors of the Moon as 8th lord (Sat) and badhaka in ghataka nakshatra (Jup) are in Scorpio Navamsha. Thus, Jupiter is in Roga-amsha I.e. navamsha of the sign in the 6th house of the rashi chart and as per Rasi-Tulya-Amsha, Jupiter will indicate accidents and such other adverse results. > 4.. Further, Jupiter is under severe papa-kartari yoga between Mars and Sun on the one side and Rahu in the 8th house , on the other side. > 5.. There is unbroken Kala Sarpa Yoga working on this chart for the year 2008-09 along the Rudra Axis = 2-8th house axis which is very dangerous. There is no breakage at all for the KSY and the native will have to suffer it. > Timing of the event > a.. Tithi Ashtottari Dasha: The event happened exactly when the maraka (7th) bhava functioned in Jupiter dasha-Venus antardasa having the papa-kartari yoga. > b.. Narayana Dasha: Exactly on the date Virgo dasha started with Mandi in it in Sagittarius antardasha. In the Navamsha, Virgo is 7th house with Mars in MKS and Sagittarius has Ketu showing accidents. In D1, we have already seen how Sg is geared for the event due to the Papa kartari Yoga. > c.. Vimsottari dasa: (Personally I like this dasha very much). Jupiter dasha Saturn antardasha. See the arguments to the Moon affliction. Any affliction to the Moon will surely bring health related issues. > So how can we say that the TP chart is not right or not working. On the other hand what is being suggested as a modification is that the Lunar months alone be used. If that be so, then people born in Adhika/Mala maasa will actually have birthdays falling in every few years unless we stretch the rules to accommodate them in the regular Lunar months. > The traditional system, as I have learnt it, requires the Sun to be the same as *Sarvaatma Divakara - Sun is the representation of the soul and this cannot change in one body*. This is the Aditya who brings us to this planet and is responsible for us continued existence. We have to respect its boundaries - these are of 30 degrees each. So, if I am born with the Sun in Cancer, it must remain so. > > In fact the Greek Astrology [Tajika jyotish] uses this in a very strict manner in which the (1) Sun is brought back to the exact degree-minute of longitude for Annual returns. > However, we in Vedic use (1) Sun return to the same sign instead of exact degree and (2) Sun-Moon angle = Tithi and Karana to be the same. > What Narasimha is suggesting is to drop (1) Sun factor altogether and only use factor (2). > > No harm in testing this, but one must use standard jyotish rules to test the validity of the traditional system before replacing it with a new one. > Regards > Sanjay Rath > > > Narasimha PVR Rao > Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:51 AM > vedic astrology ; ; JyotishWritings > [vedic astrology] Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > > > Namaste Goel saab, > > The issue is NOT whether natal Vimsottari dasa shows the event or not. The issue is whether annual TP chart shows it or not. > > The native in question had an accident and was bed-ridden for 3 months. The annual TP chart (using solar months) does not show it at all. If one says, " the event happened even though annual TP chart does not shows it, because natal Vimsottari dasa shows it " , what is the point in even using annual TP charts? > > I agree that no technique works in a vacuum and with 100% accuracy. But, any good technique cannot be so badly off. It has to show an event to some degree or the other. The exact degree to which an event happens is cumulatively decided by many factors. But each good factor has to show the event to some degree or the other. > > As I showed, by using soli-lunar months to make annual TP chart, you can see that 12th lord Jupiter was debilitated and with Rahu and there were afflictions in 12th, explaining the problem with foot. Dasa of a planet in 8th in rasi and D-30 gave the accident. Annual TP chart explains the event quite well. > > If one sticks to a wrong definition of annual TP chart, one will occasionally have to abandon it and take recourse to Vimsottari dasa. > > * * * > > As I said earlier, people do celebrate their soli-lunar birthday based on soli-lunar month. For example, Lord Rama's birthday is celebrated on the Sukla Navami tithi of *Chaitra* months and not the Sukla Navami tithi of a specific solar month (Meena or Mesha). Sun may be in Meena sometimes and Mesha sometimes, on Sri Rama Navami. Same thing with the birthdays of individuals. Same thing with annual TP chart. > > * * * > > Even Sanjay ji was not sure in late 1998 whether solar months or soli-lunar months should be used. He asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar months. The theorization that Sun, the soul, provides the anchor and hence Sun should be in the same sign and be the same Aaditya, was popularized. But deriving methods based on theorization and then trying to justify them practically is like putting the bullock cart in front of the bullock. Bullock should drive the cart and not the other way around. Methods should be derived and confirmed based on practical working. One can after all theorize *anything*. Principles should never be determined on the basis of theorization alone. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------- > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Spirituality: > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > ------------------------- > > , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel@> wrote: > > Dear Rao Ji, > > If any prominent event of the life will not be reflected in yearly chart, there is no reason > > to refer them. These charts are studied along with birth charts. > > MR. P.S.Iyer of PALGHAT kerla ,explained me in detail in early 80's that the yearly charts based on SOLI-lunar year gives much reliable results. > > it is my impression that you do not give VIMSOTTARI DASA ITS DUE IMPORTANCE.BPHS > > written many chapter on this dasa alone.I may be wrong. Further , a in depth study is required > > of such karika's as Laghu and Madya Parasari. > > He met accident in the dasa of Rahu placed in 11H, which is eighth from 11H. Antardasa was of Sun > > which is lord of 9H (6H from 4th) Sun is placed in 12H with Mars karka of accidents.Further, > > Sun in placed in 2H from Rahu , a marka place from Rahu. Even more Sun is the lord of another Marka house from Rahu. It was writing on the wall that he would certainly met with some serious accident > > in Rahu/Sun period.BPHS'S CHAPTER 55 ON MAJOR PERIOD OF RAHU SAYS SO. > > LAGHU PARASARI'S Verses 36 37 ,27 AND 39may be refered: > > Verse 36-If Rahu is placed in Shubh houses , even benefic planet not having sambandha with noded . will get benefic results according to sub- dasa lord. > > Verse 37- In the sub-period of benefic lord , the native will get unauspicious results in the dasa of > > malefic planets. > > Verse 27 - says MALEFIC PLANET'S DASA MAY ALSO PROBE DEATH INFLICTING. > > VERSE 39- Even dasa of marka planet does not kill in sub-period of benefic planet/ > > > > This is the reason that I slightly rectifird the birth time and accident was self-evident and not the death. > > Jupiter is 4H lord and on the last degree of sign and in MARKA HOUSE FROM DASA LORD. > > Jupiter DASA WAS NOT RUNNING . HIS PRYANTAR DASA WAS RUNNING. DASA AND ANTARDASA LORD > > ALWAYS PLANS THE EVENT AND EXCUTION IS ARRANGED IN SUB-SUB PERIOD. > > There is a dictum that week Lagna lord can give accident. > > I was giving reply to matured astrological group and was not teaching in the class.Was > > it necessary to explain all these details.Surely he must be running . Rahu/Sun / Jup/Jup/Jup.This is the reason that Jupiter could not give protection as per rule given in verse 29 of Laghu Parasari. > > > > In chart 20 , given in your book Vedic Astrology , a bad event had occurred in Jupiter/Moon > > period which is self evident if we follow the rules given in Madya PARASARI. Moon obtained > > Gemini Navamsa occupied by ketu and placed in 8H.Moon will give set back in marriage > > according to well defined rules in Madhya Parasari. > > I am a fan of VIMSOTTARI DASA. > > BESR REGARDS, > > > > > > G. K. Goel > > > > JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; > > pvr@ > > Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:10:35 -0400 > > TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Let us look at the Tithi Pravesha chart of 2008-09 for the birthdata given by Partha below. Using standard SJC teachings, annual TP chart is cast for 2008 November 20, 8:24:12 pm (IST), New Delhi. Jupiter's Tithi Ashtottari dasa gave the accident. Jupiter is the 7th and 10th lord in 7th in moolatrikona, joined by the 5th lord and giving a raja yoga. Why did he have a major accident in Jupiter dasa, be bed-ridden for 3 months and why did his career suffer? > > > > > > > > Though one can justify any event with any chart or any dasa or any technique by seeing shapes in clouds and beating around the bush, I honestly could not have seen that event in Jupiter dasa in that chart. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Now, note that Partha was born on *Margasira* Krishna Navami with Sun in Sc. In the TP chart above, Sun is in Sc again, but the tithi is *Karthika* Krishna Navami. Though solar month has been preserved, soli-lunar month (which is the basis for tithis!!!) has not been preserved. > > > > > > > > If you make a TP chart strictly using soli-lunar calendar (instead of mixing up soli-lunar days with solar months as taught by Sanjay ji), you will get the annual TP chart on 2008 December 20, 10:02:13 am (IST), New Delhi. That happens to be Margasira Krishna Navami, though Sun is in Sg. In fact, his lunar birthday is celebrated on that day in tradition! > > > > > > > > In this chart, Cp rises. Three planets are in the 12th house, whether you use SJC reckoning or the house reckoning I recommend. The 12th lord Jupiter is debilitated and with Rahu. This explains being bed-ridden much better. Saturn is in the 8th house in D-1 and D-30 and the accident occurred in his dasa as per both annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa and annual Vimsottari dasa. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > There is no comparison. This chart explains the events on the ground much better than the version of TP chart given by Sanjay ji's teachings. If you see a TP chart not explaining events well, please try the TP chart based strictly on soli-lunar months ( " Preferences " , " Related to calculations " , " Tithi Prevesha Calculation Options " in JHora). The default in JHora is Sanjay ji's teaching. > > > > > > > > As I mentioned before, Sanjay ji was not sure in 1998-99 whether solar or soli-lunar months should be used in TP. He honestly told that to me and asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar month based TP. The result of my research is that solar months should not be mixed up and soli-lunar months should be used. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------------------- > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > Spirituality: > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Partha Sarathy <partvinu@> wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > I had an accident last year because of which was bedridden for three months. You > > > > > can use either Narayana dasa or vimshottari to analyse the event for everybody's > > > > > benefit. > > > > > Transits can also be used. > > > > > > > > > > Event: June 11, 2009, 4:45 AM, chennai > > > > > > > > > > Birth particular > > > > > 15/december/1976 > > > > > Time: 8 :30 AM > > > > > PLace: New Delhi, > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Partha > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel Sir, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. Honestly, i was expecting good last year, but everything > > > > > went from bad to worse, no salary for months, bad treatment at office > > > > > compounded matters. > > > > > Anyways, i am waiting for Jupiter dasa, atleast he should provide some > > > > > relief to the nonsense i am facing since 17 years. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Dear Partha, Did the Jupiter period in any way manifest the Raj-yoga shown, even if in small measures? -Regards Rajarshi -- In vedic astrology , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote: > > The points raised, relevant ones, are replied to - > Sanjay Rath > > > Narasimha PVR Rao > Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:05 AM > vedic astrology ; ; JyotishWritings > [vedic astrology] Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > > > Namaste, > > > The Tithi Pravesha Chakra of 2008-09 clearly shows > > the event if we are prepared to look for it. > > If one is prepared to look hard, any chart can be made to clearly show any event! > > Agreed that Jupiter, whose dasa gave the accident that confined him to a bed for 3 months, is the badhaka lord. But he is also the hamsa yoga giver and 7th and 10th lord conjoining 5th lord. You said it indicates " a period when he shall have lot of time to do mantra japa " . But surely there must be many ways in which that can be given without an accident that confines him to a bed for 3 months. Why should career suffer and he should be confined to a bed for 3 months? > > Rath: This has been clearly explained with various tools of jyotish including Ghataka Nakshatra, Rashi-tulya-navamsha etc. The positions from Moon have also been explained. Please study them again > > In the chart based on soli-lunar months (i.e. TP on 2008 Dec 20 at 10:02 am), the 12th lord Jupiter is in debility and with Rahu. The 12th house is afflicted. Bandhana sahamam lord Mars is in a deep gandanta and close to Gulika. This is a much much simpler case. > > Rath: You are mixing Vedic- astrology with Greek Tajika system. Now you are using the Sahama of the Tajika Annual Solar return chart with the Vedic Tithi Pravesha. Next you will use this to justify the use of Easarpa Yoga and Itthasala Yoga in Vedic Astrology. > > When you are using TP, use everything Vedic and then compare to see if it shows better. > > * * * > > Please note that Sri Gopal Goel resorted to the argument that Vimsottari dasa shows the event and annual TP can be overridden by Vimsottari. When Rajarshi specifically asked on if annual TP is expected to work as a stand-alone technique, he cryptically replied " No technique or method is fool-proof. This is the reason we have so many alternatives " . Thus, he implicitly acknowledged that the event is not showing well in 2008-09 annual TP chart (when using your definition, i.e. TP on 2008 Nov 20 at 8:24 pm)! > > An astrologer of the stature of Goel ji could not see clear logic in the chart that you are justifying now! It adds to my argument that the justification is convoluted and unconvincing. > > On the other hand, justification with annual TP cast using soli-lunar months is so simple and straight-forward. > > Rath: Poor Goel ji. Now you are using his generalised statement defending the Tajika system as a means to cover up. In fact what Goelji wrote about the Varshaphala chakra (Solar return chart) is very very rudimentary. Maybe I should do this one day and show how Tajika system is used with all its Yogas and Patyayini dasha. But then that will deviate from current topic. So lets stop looking for votes from Goelji or others. He has neither voted in your favour nor mine. He is making a statement saying that everything works sometimes and sometimes it does not work... so lets just leave this out. > > * * * > > Your arguments about using the Sun are very stretched - especially when you use the Lunar month. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Namaste Sanjay, > Rath: This has been clearly explained with various tools of > jyotish including Ghataka Nakshatra, Rashi-tulya-navamsha etc. > The positions from Moon have also been explained. Please > study them again You have only shown how Jupiter giving hamsa yoga and raja yogas with 5th lord could still give troubles. But why an *accident* to the *ankle* and confinement for 3 months? You have not given any clear fatcors to show that. Using soli-lunar months, afflictions to 12th and 12th lord clearly show that! * * * Regarding " mixing Vedic astrology with Greek Tajika system " , your approach of taking days based on Sun-Moon angle and months based on Sun alone is actually the one that mixes Jyotish with Tajika system that is based on Sun alone. If tithis are taken as the days, then soli-lunar months that are aligned with tithis are the *corresponding* months. But you are mixing Sun-Moon days with Sun-only months, which seems like an influence of Tajika. One may celebrate birthday on August 7th every year or on Sraavana Krishna Tritiya every year. Can one celebrate birthday on the Krishna Tritiya coming in August every year or on the western 7th date coming in Sraavana month every year? What you are doing is similar to that. In each calendar, years are divided into months and months into days. We should use months and days consistently! Mixing month of one type with days of months of another type is not logical. * * * Regarding mixing techniques, I disagree that sahamas should not be used with classical Jyotish techniques. For example, Dr. B.V. Raman suggested using sahamas with natal charts and transits (e.g. jalapatana sahama). I have shown interesting correlations with Vimsottari dasa progression of sahamas. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - vedic astrology , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote: > > The points raised, relevant ones, are replied to - > Sanjay Rath > > > Narasimha PVR Rao > Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:05 AM > vedic astrology ; ; JyotishWritings > [vedic astrology] Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > Namaste, > > > The Tithi Pravesha Chakra of 2008-09 clearly shows > > the event if we are prepared to look for it. > > If one is prepared to look hard, any chart can be made to clearly show any event! > > Agreed that Jupiter, whose dasa gave the accident that confined him to a bed for 3 months, is the badhaka lord. But he is also the hamsa yoga giver and 7th and 10th lord conjoining 5th lord. You said it indicates " a period when he shall have lot of time to do mantra japa " . But surely there must be many ways in which that can be given without an accident that confines him to a bed for 3 months. Why should career suffer and he should be confined to a bed for 3 months? > > Rath: This has been clearly explained with various tools of jyotish including Ghataka Nakshatra, Rashi-tulya-navamsha etc. The positions from Moon have also been explained. Please study them again > > In the chart based on soli-lunar months (i.e. TP on 2008 Dec 20 at 10:02 am), the 12th lord Jupiter is in debility and with Rahu. The 12th house is afflicted. Bandhana sahamam lord Mars is in a deep gandanta and close to Gulika. This is a much much simpler case. > > Rath: You are mixing Vedic- astrology with Greek Tajika system. Now you are using the Sahama of the Tajika Annual Solar return chart with the Vedic Tithi Pravesha. Next you will use this to justify the use of Easarpa Yoga and Itthasala Yoga in Vedic Astrology. > > When you are using TP, use everything Vedic and then compare to see if it shows better. > > * * * > > Please note that Sri Gopal Goel resorted to the argument that Vimsottari dasa shows the event and annual TP can be overridden by Vimsottari. When Rajarshi specifically asked on if annual TP is expected to work as a stand-alone technique, he cryptically replied " No technique or method is fool-proof. This is the reason we have so many alternatives " . Thus, he implicitly acknowledged that the event is not showing well in 2008-09 annual TP chart (when using your definition, i.e. TP on 2008 Nov 20 at 8:24 pm)! > > An astrologer of the stature of Goel ji could not see clear logic in the chart that you are justifying now! It adds to my argument that the justification is convoluted and unconvincing. > > On the other hand, justification with annual TP cast using soli-lunar months is so simple and straight-forward. > > Rath: Poor Goel ji. Now you are using his generalised statement defending the Tajika system as a means to cover up. In fact what Goelji wrote about the Varshaphala chakra (Solar return chart) is very very rudimentary. Maybe I should do this one day and show how Tajika system is used with all its Yogas and Patyayini dasha. But then that will deviate from current topic. So lets stop looking for votes from Goelji or others. He has neither voted in your favour nor mine. He is making a statement saying that everything works sometimes and sometimes it does not work... so lets just leave this out. > > * * * > > Your arguments about using the Sun are very stretched - especially when you use the Lunar month. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Namaste Sanjay, > Rath: This has been clearly explained with various tools of > jyotish including Ghataka Nakshatra, Rashi-tulya-navamsha etc. > The positions from Moon have also been explained. Please > study them again You have only shown how Jupiter giving hamsa yoga and raja yogas with 5th lord could still give troubles. But why an *accident* to the *ankle* and confinement for 3 months? You have not given any clear fatcors to show that. Using soli-lunar months, afflictions to 12th and 12th lord clearly show that! * * * Regarding " mixing Vedic astrology with Greek Tajika system " , your approach of taking days based on Sun-Moon angle and months based on Sun alone is actually the one that mixes Jyotish with Tajika system that is based on Sun alone. If tithis are taken as the days, then soli-lunar months that are aligned with tithis are the *corresponding* months. But you are mixing Sun-Moon days with Sun-only months, which seems like an influence of Tajika. One may celebrate birthday on August 7th every year or on Sraavana Krishna Tritiya every year. Can one celebrate birthday on the Krishna Tritiya coming in August every year or on the western 7th date coming in Sraavana month every year? What you are doing is similar to that. In each calendar, years are divided into months and months into days. We should use months and days consistently! Mixing month of one type with days of months of another type is not logical. * * * Regarding mixing techniques, I disagree that sahamas should not be used with classical Jyotish techniques. For example, Dr. B.V. Raman suggested using sahamas with natal charts and transits (e.g. jalapatana sahama). I have shown interesting correlations with Vimsottari dasa progression of sahamas. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - vedic astrology , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote: > > The points raised, relevant ones, are replied to - > Sanjay Rath > > > Narasimha PVR Rao > Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:05 AM > vedic astrology ; ; JyotishWritings > [vedic astrology] Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > Namaste, > > > The Tithi Pravesha Chakra of 2008-09 clearly shows > > the event if we are prepared to look for it. > > If one is prepared to look hard, any chart can be made to clearly show any event! > > Agreed that Jupiter, whose dasa gave the accident that confined him to a bed for 3 months, is the badhaka lord. But he is also the hamsa yoga giver and 7th and 10th lord conjoining 5th lord. You said it indicates " a period when he shall have lot of time to do mantra japa " . But surely there must be many ways in which that can be given without an accident that confines him to a bed for 3 months. Why should career suffer and he should be confined to a bed for 3 months? > > Rath: This has been clearly explained with various tools of jyotish including Ghataka Nakshatra, Rashi-tulya-navamsha etc. The positions from Moon have also been explained. Please study them again > > In the chart based on soli-lunar months (i.e. TP on 2008 Dec 20 at 10:02 am), the 12th lord Jupiter is in debility and with Rahu. The 12th house is afflicted. Bandhana sahamam lord Mars is in a deep gandanta and close to Gulika. This is a much much simpler case. > > Rath: You are mixing Vedic- astrology with Greek Tajika system. Now you are using the Sahama of the Tajika Annual Solar return chart with the Vedic Tithi Pravesha. Next you will use this to justify the use of Easarpa Yoga and Itthasala Yoga in Vedic Astrology. > > When you are using TP, use everything Vedic and then compare to see if it shows better. > > * * * > > Please note that Sri Gopal Goel resorted to the argument that Vimsottari dasa shows the event and annual TP can be overridden by Vimsottari. When Rajarshi specifically asked on if annual TP is expected to work as a stand-alone technique, he cryptically replied " No technique or method is fool-proof. This is the reason we have so many alternatives " . Thus, he implicitly acknowledged that the event is not showing well in 2008-09 annual TP chart (when using your definition, i.e. TP on 2008 Nov 20 at 8:24 pm)! > > An astrologer of the stature of Goel ji could not see clear logic in the chart that you are justifying now! It adds to my argument that the justification is convoluted and unconvincing. > > On the other hand, justification with annual TP cast using soli-lunar months is so simple and straight-forward. > > Rath: Poor Goel ji. Now you are using his generalised statement defending the Tajika system as a means to cover up. In fact what Goelji wrote about the Varshaphala chakra (Solar return chart) is very very rudimentary. Maybe I should do this one day and show how Tajika system is used with all its Yogas and Patyayini dasha. But then that will deviate from current topic. So lets stop looking for votes from Goelji or others. He has neither voted in your favour nor mine. He is making a statement saying that everything works sometimes and sometimes it does not work... so lets just leave this out. > > * * * > > Your arguments about using the Sun are very stretched - especially when you use the Lunar month. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Dear Partha, 1) As per Vimsottari, period was Rahu-Surya-Guru. - Sun is atmakaraka in Gandanta => trouble to health and ego-bashing. - Jupiter disposited by Mars, whichis in 12th house and conjoins Ketu which lords 12th house => losses, hospitalization how can Jupiter mahadasa be expected to be good? since it is in 5h house and lagna lord? Won't it's conjunction with Ke (confusion)/12th lord give trouble, unless one actively tries to ride the spiritual wave (12th = meditation; Ketu = mokshakaraka etc.) May be Mantra related to Ganesha should be good in those periods, Ketu lords 9th from atmakaraka in navamsa. What would be the effect of retrograde Jupiter in last degree of the bhava? - Rahu lords 3rd house and is in 11th house => short-journey (when the accident took place). 11th house - punishment? 2) Why not use Utpanna Tara as Moon is in upachaya? Moon pratyantar - Moon lords 8th house =>accidents. Buddha maha -Mercury lords A6 Rahu antar - any good explaination? 3) Career troubles => Sade Satti/Kantaka sani. Please ignore if it doesnt appeal, obviously you'd know better. __ > > partha partvinu@ .> > > sohamsa@ .com > > Wed, 24 March, 2010 11:17:59 AM > > [soHamsa] Fw: Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Sanjayji's analysis was outstanding. > > > > As i said earlier, foot accident was one part of the story, my family also suffered illhealth during the year and i had to run around hospitals for most part of the year. > > > > Also i didnot have salary for months, there was constant humiliation in office despite extreme hard work. > > More than health, humiliation was the main theme of the year. > > > > Probably AK Sun antardasa was running, so God showed me my place, or probably was asking me to come back to Jyotish where i am not that bad. > > > > Regards > > Partha > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " SanjayRath " <sjrath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The TithiPraveshaChakra of 2008-09 clearly shows the event if we are prepared to look for it. All standard jyotish rules must be used in the TithiPravesh charts as taught by me in the past at SJC and in particular to Narasimha. > > > RashiTP 2008 > > > > > > NavamshaTP 2008 > > > > > > 1.. Natal Chart of ParthaSarathy has DhanusLagna while the TP 2008-09 has MithunaLagna which is not only the marakabhava but also the badhakabhava for the chart. Therefore in the year 2008-09 mixed results will prevail with the 7th house indicating the events to come. > > > 2.. Lagnesha Mercury is in the 6th house of accidents and suffering and is severely afflicted by two agnitattva planets Mars and Sun. This shows astra-aghata and will surely bring operation or cutting of the body if other factors also indicate so. > > > 3.. Jupiter is the badhakesha of the chart and is well placed in own sign in Hamsa yoga with mantreshaShukra indicating a period when he shall have lot of time to do mantra japa. However the manner in which this will come about may not be good as Jupiter is in badhaka sign as badhakesh and is in GhatakaNakshatra from Simharashi [PurvaAshadha is ghataka for Simha]. The Moon is another maraka and is afflicted by Saturn. Now both Saturn and Jupiter, the two tormentors of the Moon as 8th lord (Sat) and badhaka in ghatakanakshatra (Jup) are in Scorpio Navamsha. Thus, Jupiter is in Roga-amsha I.e. navamsha of the sign in the 6th house of the rashi chart and as per Rasi-Tulya-Amsha, Jupiter will indicate accidents and such other adverse results. > > > 4.. Further, Jupiter is under severe papa-kartari yoga between Mars and Sun on the one side and Rahu in the 8th house , on the other side. > > > 5.. There is unbroken Kala Sarpa Yoga working on this chart for the year 2008-09 along the Rudra Axis = 2-8th house axis which is very dangerous. There is no breakage at all for the KSY and the native will have to suffer it. > > > Timing of the event > > > a.. TithiAshtottari Dasha: The event happened exactly when the maraka (7th) bhava functioned in Jupiter dasha-Venus antardasa having the papa-kartari yoga. > > > b.. Narayana Dasha: Exactly on the date Virgo dasha started with Mandi in it in Sagittarius antardasha. In the Navamsha, Virgo is 7th house with Mars in MKS and Sagittarius has Ketu showing accidents. In D1, we have already seen how Sg is geared for the event due to the Papa kartari Yoga. > > > c.. Vimsottaridasa: (Personally I like this dasha very much). Jupiter dasha Saturn antardasha. See the arguments to the Moon affliction. Any affliction to the Moon will surely bring health related issues. > > > So how can we say that the TP chart is not right or not working. On the other hand what is being suggested as a modification is that the Lunar months alone be used. If that be so, then people born in Adhika/Mala maasa will actually have birthdays falling in every few years unless we stretch the rules to accommodate them in the regular Lunar months. > > > The traditional system, as I have learnt it, requires the Sun to be the same as *SarvaatmaDivakara - Sun is the representation of the soul and this cannot change in one body*. This is the Aditya who brings us to this planet and is responsible for us continued existence. We have to respect its boundaries - these are of 30 degrees each. So, if I am born with the Sun in Cancer, it must remain so. > > > > > > In fact the Greek Astrology [Tajikajyotish] uses this in a very strict manner in which the (1) Sun is brought back to the exact degree-minute of longitude for Annual returns. > > > However, we in Vedic use (1) Sun return to the same sign instead of exact degree and (2) Sun-Moon angle = Tithi and Karana to be the same. > > > What Narasimha is suggesting is to drop (1) Sun factor altogether and only use factor (2). > > > > > > No harm in testing this, but one must use standard jyotish rules to test the validity of the traditional system before replacing it with a new one. > > > Regards > > > SanjayRath > > > > > > > > > NarasimhaPVRRao > > > Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:51 AM > > > vedic astrology ; @ . com ; JyotishWritings > > > [vedic astrology] Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > > > > > > > > > > > NamasteGoelsaab, > > > > > > The issue is NOT whether natal Vimsottaridasa shows the event or not. The issue is whether annual TP chart shows it or not. > > > > > > The native in question had an accident and was bed-ridden for 3 months. The annual TP chart (using solar months) does not show it at all. If one says, " the event happened even though annual TP chart does not shows it, because natal Vimsottaridasa shows it " , what is the point in even using annual TP charts? > > > > > > I agree that no technique works in a vacuum and with 100% accuracy. But, any good technique cannot be so badly off. It has to show an event to some degree or the other. The exact degree to which an event happens is cumulatively decided by many factors. But each good factor has to show the event to some degree or the other. > > > > > > As I showed, by using soli-lunar months to make annual TP chart, you can see that 12th lord Jupiter was debilitated and with Rahu and there were afflictions in 12th, explaining the problem with foot. Dasa of a planet in 8th in rasi and D-30 gave the accident. Annual TP chart explains the event quite well. > > > > > > If one sticks to a wrong definition of annual TP chart, one will occasionally have to abandon it and take recourse to Vimsottaridasa. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > As I said earlier, people do celebrate their soli-lunar birthday based on soli-lunar month. For example, Lord Rama's birthday is celebrated on the SuklaNavamitithi of *Chaitra* months and not the SuklaNavamitithi of a specific solar month (Meena or Mesha). Sun may be in Meena sometimes and Mesha sometimes, on Sri Rama Navami. Same thing with the birthdays of individuals. Same thing with annual TP chart. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Even Sanjayji was not sure in late 1998 whether solar months or soli-lunar months should be used. He asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar months. The theorization that Sun, the soul, provides the anchor and hence Sun should be in the same sign and be the same Aaditya, was popularized. But deriving methods based on theorization and then trying to justify them practically is like putting the bullock cart in front of the bullock. Bullock should drive the cart and not the other way around. Methods should be derived and confirmed based on practical working. One can after all theorize *anything*. Principles should never be determined on the basis of theorization alone. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and PitriTarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > , gopalkrishnagoel <g.k.goel@> wrote: > > > > Dear RaoJi, > > > > If any prominent event of the life will not be reflected in yearly chart, there is no reason > > > > to refer them. These charts are studied along with birth charts. > > > > MR. P.S.Iyer of PALGHATkerla ,explained me in detail in early 80's that the yearly charts based on SOLI-lunar year gives much reliable results. > > > > it is my impression that you do not give VIMSOTTARIDASA ITS DUE IMPORTANCE.BPHS > > > > written many chapter on this dasa alone.I may be wrong. Further , a in depth study is required > > > > of such karika's as Laghu and MadyaParasari. > > > > He met accident in the dasa of Rahu placed in 11H, which is eighth from 11H. Antardasa was of Sun > > > > which is lord of 9H (6H from 4th) Sun is placed in 12H with Mars karka of accidents.Further, > > > > Sun in placed in 2H from Rahu , a marka place from Rahu. Even more Sun is the lord of another Marka house from Rahu. It was writing on the wall that he would certainly met with some serious accident > > > > in Rahu/Sun period.BPHS' S CHAPTER 55 ON MAJOR PERIOD OF RAHU SAYS SO. > > > > LAGHUPARASARI' S Verses 36 37 ,27 AND 39may be refered: > > > > Verse 36-If Rahu is placed in Shubh houses , even benefic planet not having sambandha with noded . will get benefic results according to sub- dasa lord. > > > > Verse 37- In the sub-period of benefic lord , the native will get unauspicious results in the dasa of > > > > malefic planets. > > > > Verse 27 - says MALEFIC PLANET'S DASA MAY ALSO PROBE DEATH INFLICTING. > > > > VERSE 39- Even dasa of marka planet does not kill in sub-period of benefic planet/ > > > > > > > > This is the reason that I slightly rectifird the birth time and accident was self-evident and not the death. > > > > Jupiter is 4H lord and on the last degree of sign and in MARKA HOUSE FROM DASA LORD. > > > > Jupiter DASA WAS NOT RUNNING . HIS PRYANTARDASA WAS RUNNING. DASA AND ANTARDASA LORD > > > > ALWAYS PLANS THE EVENT AND EXCUTION IS ARRANGED IN SUB-SUB PERIOD. > > > > There is a dictum that week Lagna lord can give accident. > > > > I was giving reply to matured astrological group and was not teaching in the class.Was > > > > it necessary to explain all these details.Surely he must be running . Rahu/Sun / Jup/Jup/Jup. This is the reason that Jupiter could not give protection as per rule given in verse 29 of LaghuParasari. > > > > > > > > In chart 20 , given in your book Vedic Astrology , a bad event had occurred in Jupiter/Moon > > > > period which is self evident if we follow the rules given in MadyaPARASARI. Moon obtained > > > > Gemini Navamsa occupied by ketu and placed in 8H.Moon will give set back in marriage > > > > according to well defined rules in MadhyaParasari. > > > > I am a fan of VIMSOTTARIDASA. > > > > BESR REGARDS, > > > > > > > > > > > > G. K. Goel > > > > > > > > JyotishWritings; vedic astrology@ . com; > > > > pvr@ > > > > Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:10:35 -0400 > > > > TP controversy example (Partha's Accident) > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us look at the TithiPravesha chart of 2008-09 for the birthdata given by Partha below. Using standard SJC teachings, annual TP chart is cast for 2008 November 20, 8:24:12 pm (IST), New Delhi. Jupiter's TithiAshtottaridasa gave the accident. Jupiter is the 7th and 10th lord in 7th in moolatrikona, joined by the 5th lord and giving a raja yoga. Why did he have a major accident in Jupiter dasa, be bed-ridden for 3 months and why did his career suffer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though one can justify any event with any chart or any dasa or any technique by seeing shapes in clouds and beating around the bush, I honestly could not have seen that event in Jupiter dasa in that chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, note that Partha was born on *Margasira* Krishna Navami with Sun in Sc. In the TP chart above, Sun is in Sc again, but the tithi is *Karthika* Krishna Navami. Though solar month has been preserved, soli-lunar month (which is the basis for tithis!!!) has not been preserved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you make a TP chart strictly using soli-lunar calendar (instead of mixing up soli-lunar days with solar months as taught by Sanjayji), you will get the annual TP chart on 2008 December 20, 10:02:13 am (IST), New Delhi. That happens to be Margasira Krishna Navami, though Sun is in Sg. In fact, his lunar birthday is celebrated on that day in tradition! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart, Cp rises. Three planets are in the 12th house, whether you use SJC reckoning or the house reckoning I recommend. The 12th lord Jupiter is debilitated and with Rahu. This explains being bed-ridden much better. Saturn is in the 8th house in D-1 and D-30 and the accident occurred in his dasa as per both annual TithiAshtottaridasa and annual Vimsottaridasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no comparison. This chart explains the events on the ground much better than the version of TP chart given by Sanjayji's teachings. If you see a TP chart not explaining events well, please try the TP chart based strictly on soli-lunar months ( " Preferences " , " Related to calculations " , " TithiPrevesha Calculation Options " in JHora). The default in JHora is Sanjayji's teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentioned before, Sanjayji was not sure in 1998-99 whether solar or soli-lunar months should be used in TP. He honestly told that to me and asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar month based TP. The result of my research is that solar months should not be mixed up and soli-lunar months should be used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and PitriTarpana: > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, ParthaSarathy <partvinu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had an accident last year because of which was bedridden for three months. You > > > > > > > > > can use either Narayanadasa or vimshottari to analyse the event for everybody's > > > > > > > > > benefit. > > > > > > > > > Transits can also be used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Event: June 11, 2009, 4:45 AM, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth particular > > > > > > > > > 15/december/ 1976 > > > > > > > > > Time: 8 :30 AM > > > > > > > > > PLace: New Delhi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. Honestly, i was expecting good last year, but everything > > > > > > > > > went from bad to worse, no salary for months, bad treatment at office > > > > > > > > > compounded matters. > > > > > > > > > Anyways, i am waiting for Jupiter dasa, atleast he should provide some > > > > > > > > > relief to the nonsense i am facing since 17 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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