Summary of x lord in y house vs. y lord in x house

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There are 2 approaches to astrology:

1. Logic

2. Yogas and Intuition.

I am using the first approach

 

I am not trying to make a prediction out of 4HL in 6H or vice-versa for a chart.

Inorder to interpret all factors, one must know what will be the significance of

each factor in its own.

 

I will summarize my learnings on this so far from various groups:

 

1. From Francois ji:

x lord in y house means 'y house significations' happen through 'x house'. I

found this very convincing:

Say lagna lord in 10H. then '10H significations' happen through 'lagna': meaning

career happens through efforts of native. e.g.: Somebody like Sidhu - not the

most talented but having a big heart and hardwork

Say vice-versa: then 'native' happens through '10H Significations': meaning the

native was blessed with inherent abilities for a good career. e.g: Somebody like

Sachin - the most talented and automatically getting what he wants

 

2. From Sreenadh ji:

Always see sign->house->planet for results for x lord in y house:

 

so for 4HL in 6H, you have to see:

results specified by sign that the 6H is in

then what 6H signifies

then what the 4HL signifies

and what is promised by each i.e. the intersection will only prevail

 

Now from 4HL in 6H alone, that which is specified by both 6H and the 4HL and the

planet that is the 4HL will apply

 

However I am confused if this is to be applied in case of house lordship only or

in case of planet occupancy also

e.g: for 4HL in 6H it should not be applied - but should be applied for what

results the 4H sign, the 4HL and the planet in question result

 

Thanks

Kiran

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Kiran jee,

 

Please allow me to offer my observations and perspective!

 

Your starting point is misplaced :-)

The starting-point should have been DIVINATION, not astrology!

 

DIVINATION (the meaning of that keyword is for you to search and explore...!)

has two components (not approaches!):

LOGIC (including astrology or astro-logic), and

INTUITION!

 

As a very dear friend of mine once said and it stayed me all my life so far:

 

" Divination is like a bird with two wings: Logic and Intuition

 

Clip off one of the wings and the bird will just continue to flap and flop

around going in circles...! "

 

 

Thank you, Charles!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

vedic astrology , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama wrote:

>

> There are 2 approaches to astrology:

> 1. Logic

> 2. Yogas and Intuition.

> I am using the first approach

>

> I am not trying to make a prediction out of 4HL in 6H or vice-versa for a

chart. Inorder to interpret all factors, one must know what will be the

significance of each factor in its own.

>

> I will summarize my learnings on this so far from various groups:

>

> 1. From Francois ji:

> x lord in y house means 'y house significations' happen through 'x house'. I

found this very convincing:

> Say lagna lord in 10H. then '10H significations' happen through 'lagna':

meaning career happens through efforts of native. e.g.: Somebody like Sidhu -

not the most talented but having a big heart and hardwork

> Say vice-versa: then 'native' happens through '10H Significations': meaning

the native was blessed with inherent abilities for a good career. e.g: Somebody

like Sachin - the most talented and automatically getting what he wants

>

> 2. From Sreenadh ji:

> Always see sign->house->planet for results for x lord in y house:

>

> so for 4HL in 6H, you have to see:

> results specified by sign that the 6H is in

> then what 6H signifies

> then what the 4HL signifies

> and what is promised by each i.e. the intersection will only prevail

>

> Now from 4HL in 6H alone, that which is specified by both 6H and the 4HL and

the planet that is the 4HL will apply

>

> However I am confused if this is to be applied in case of house lordship only

or in case of planet occupancy also

>

> Thanks

> Kiran

>

>

> vedic astrology , " astroimran " <astroimran@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kiran and members,

> >

> > The issue appears quite interesting. I would like to add my two cents.

> >

> > First of all, matter of bhaveshphalam (i.e. house lord effects in different

houses) comes after grahaphalam (i.e. planets effect in different houses) as far

as order of importance is concerned.

> >

> > Secondly, in Jyoytish:

> >

> > " Effect of X-House lord in Y-House is NOT equal to Y-House lord in X-House

(vide BPHS Chapter 24 and prior 12 Chapters). "

> >

> > As stated above grahaphalam is important than bhaveshphalam (note that

Parashar, in his BPHS, first taught bhavphal and grahaphal then discussed

bhaveshphal). Even if you ignore this concept then no inference can be deducted

on the basis of mere 'house-lord-result'. Since all the 12 houses are not

uniform in strength. Furthermore they simultaneously contain significations

(karakattvas) of various areas of life and fall in sign who are different in

nature and attributes. So in my humble opinion, no thesis can be established on

the line of algebra in 'predictive astrology'.

> >

> > Apart from it, the subject of parivartana is not usual. Planets in mutual

exchange behave in entirely different fashion, especially in their respective

dashas.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > M. Imran

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Let me apply this rightaway:

> > >

> > > 4H: real estate, mother

> > > 6H: difficulties/debts, diseases, enemies

> > >

> > > 4HL in 6H:

> > > things signified by 4H will be the cause of things signified by 6H

> > > so the cause of difficulties/debts, diseases and enemies will be mother

and real estate

> > >

> > > 6HL in 4H:

> > > things signified by 6H will be the cause of things signified by 4H

> > > So the cause of mother, real estate will be difficulties & diseases

> > >

> > > Consider real estate and debt:

> > > 4HL in 6H will mean real estate will be the cause of debt

> > > 6HL in 4H will mean debt is the cause of real estate

> > >

> > > Don't they both imply that real estate was acquired through a loan?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Kiran

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " Francois CARRIERE " <yl.car.fr@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello,

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > One of the subtleties of astrology is how the results of how 'x lord

in y house' differ from 'y lord in x house'

> > > >

> > > > Actually there is another rule in western astrology I use in jyotish,

which is sometimes helpful (but not every times, since the position of the

planet analogy in the house is more important and it stands both in western

astrology and jyotish). Also, L.R. Chawdhri (Scientific Analysis of Horoscope,

Sagar Pub.) use it also in his studies of each Ascendants.

> > > >

> > > > The rule suppose a " cause " and an " end " for each House. It goes like

this:

> > > >

> > > > - Let say we are studying House " Y " and Lord of " X " is in house " Y " ,

then something signifed by House " X " will be the _cause_ of something signified

by " Y " . This indicates how something begins in house " Y " .

> > > >

> > > > - Let say now we are studying House " Y " with its Lord in House " X " , then

something signified by House " X " will be the result (how it will " end " ) of the

things signifed by House " Y " .

> > > >

> > > > Hope it helps and it is clear! ;-)

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > François

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Hello to all Readers,

Sorry for entering the thread, but wanted to do this since long, just restrained myself. Now would like to put the matters into proper perspective. As per my understanding,

The 4th Lord in 6th, would bring in Money-Payments through significations of the 4th house, to the native.

For example the native can get money, make money, do business and get payments for the transactions , or give services and earn money, or through commissions received (All these are attributed to the 6th house- the money receiving part)

through -

School, eductaion, Garden, agriculture, Automobiles, Liquid selling- Milk, Juice,Land, Construction, Water Pumping, etc. (All these are attributed to the 4th house and its Lord)

The above is for Natal Chart.

Keeping the Natal Chart in mind, also look for transits. The planet Y situated in the 6th house, look for its constellations. Whenever any planet X transits in constellations of Planet Y, it will give the native income depending on which house the planet X is transitting in. For instance suppose planet X is transitting through the 12th house, then it means gains received through long term investment, suppose planet X is transitting through 5th house, then through speculations, suppose planet X is transitting through 3rd house, then through short journeys,suppose through 8th house, then through unearned income, suppose through 11ththen through efforts of friends, elder brother etc.......

The only condition in transits is, that the transitting planet should move in Nakshatras of the planet situated in the 6th.

The above is real, and Practical Astrology. Rest is all theory.

Before I leave -

" Reading after a certain time, diverts the mind too much from its creative pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little, falls into lazy habits of thinking " - Albert Einstein.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "kiran.rama" <kiran.rama wrote:>> There are 2 approaches to astrology:> 1. Logic> 2. Yogas and Intuition.> I am using the first approach> > I am not trying to make a prediction out of 4HL in 6H or vice-versa for a chart. Inorder to interpret all factors, one must know what will be the significance of each factor in its own.> > I will summarize my learnings on this so far from various groups:> > 1. From Francois ji:> x lord in y house means 'y house significations' happen through 'x house'. I found this very convincing:> Say lagna lord in 10H. then '10H significations' happen through 'lagna': meaning career happens through efforts of native. e.g.: Somebody like Sidhu - not the most talented but having a big heart and hardwork> Say vice-versa: then 'native' happens through '10H Significations': meaning the native was blessed with inherent abilities for a good career. e.g: Somebody like Sachin - the most talented and automatically getting what he wants> > 2. From Sreenadh ji:> Always see sign->house->planet for results for x lord in y house:> > so for 4HL in 6H, you have to see:> results specified by sign that the 6H is in > then what 6H signifies> then what the 4HL signifies> and what is promised by each i.e. the intersection will only prevail> > Now from 4HL in 6H alone, that which is specified by both 6H and the 4HL and the planet that is the 4HL will apply> > However I am confused if this is to be applied in case of house lordship only or in case of planet occupancy also> e.g: for 4HL in 6H it should not be applied - but should be applied for what results the 4H sign, the 4HL and the planet in question result> > Thanks> Kiran>

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Dear Bhaskar ji,Thanks a lot for this message. Very helpful indeed and practical.Respect and regardsKulbir Bains.On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello to all Readers,

Sorry for entering the thread, but wanted to do this since long,  just restrained myself. Now would like to put the matters into proper perspective. As per my understanding,

The 4th Lord in 6th, would bring in Money-Payments through significations of the 4th house, to the native.

For example the native can get money, make money, do business and get payments for the transactions , or give services and earn money, or through commissions received (All these are attributed to the 6th house- the money receiving part)

through -

School, eductaion, Garden, agriculture, Automobiles, Liquid selling- Milk, Juice,Land, Construction, Water Pumping, etc. (All these are attributed to the 4th house and its Lord)

The above is for Natal Chart.

Keeping the Natal Chart in mind, also look for transits. The planet Y situated in the 6th house, look for its constellations. Whenever any planet X transits in constellations of  Planet Y, it will give the native income depending on which house the planet X is transitting in. For instance suppose planet X is transitting through the 12th house, then it means gains received through long term investment, suppose planet X is transitting through 5th house, then through speculations,  suppose planet X is transitting through 3rd house, then through short journeys,suppose through 8th house, then through unearned income, suppose through 11ththen through efforts of friends, elder brother etc.......

The only condition in transits is, that the transitting planet should move in Nakshatras of the planet situated in the 6th.

The above is real, and Practical Astrology. Rest is all theory.

Before I leave -

" Reading after a certain time, diverts the mind too much from its creative pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little, falls into lazy habits of thinking " - Albert Einstein.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama wrote:>> There are 2 approaches to astrology:

> 1. Logic> 2. Yogas and Intuition.> I am using the first approach> > I am not trying to make a prediction out of 4HL in 6H or vice-versa for a chart. Inorder to interpret all factors, one must know what will be the significance of each factor in its own.

> > I will summarize my learnings on this so far from various groups:> > 1. From Francois ji:> x lord in y house means 'y house significations' happen through 'x house'. I found this very convincing:

> Say lagna lord in 10H. then '10H significations' happen through 'lagna': meaning career happens through efforts of native. e.g.: Somebody like Sidhu - not the most talented but having a big heart and hardwork

> Say vice-versa: then 'native' happens through '10H Significations': meaning the native was blessed with inherent abilities for a good career. e.g: Somebody like Sachin - the most talented and automatically getting what he wants

> > 2. From Sreenadh ji:> Always see sign->house->planet for results for x lord in y house:> > so for 4HL in 6H, you have to see:> results specified by sign that the 6H is in

> then what 6H signifies> then what the 4HL signifies> and what is promised by each i.e. the intersection will only prevail> > Now from 4HL in 6H alone, that which is specified by both 6H and the 4HL and the planet that is the 4HL will apply

> > However I am confused if this is to be applied in case of house lordship only or in case of planet occupancy also> e.g: for 4HL in 6H it should not be applied - but should be applied for what results the 4H sign, the 4HL and the planet in question result

> > Thanks> Kiran>

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Dear Sir, Yoga is knowledge , when it is applied logically ,it leads to develop intuition.Regards,G. K. Goel

From: kiran.ramaDate: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:22:54 +0000 Summary of x lord in y house vs. y lord in x house

 

 

 

 

There are 2 approaches to astrology:

1. Logic

2. Yogas and Intuition.

I am using the first approach

 

I am not trying to make a prediction out of 4HL in 6H or vice-versa for a chart. Inorder to interpret all factors, one must know what will be the significance of each factor in its own.

 

I will summarize my learnings on this so far from various groups:

 

1. From Francois ji:

x lord in y house means 'y house significations' happen through 'x house'. I found this very convincing:

Say lagna lord in 10H. then '10H significations' happen through 'lagna': meaning career happens through efforts of native. e.g.: Somebody like Sidhu - not the most talented but having a big heart and hardwork

Say vice-versa: then 'native' happens through '10H Significations': meaning the native was blessed with inherent abilities for a good career. e.g: Somebody like Sachin - the most talented and automatically getting what he wants

 

2. From Sreenadh ji:

Always see sign->house->planet for results for x lord in y house:

 

so for 4HL in 6H, you have to see:

results specified by sign that the 6H is in

then what 6H signifies

then what the 4HL signifies

and what is promised by each i.e. the intersection will only prevail

 

Now from 4HL in 6H alone, that which is specified by both 6H and the 4HL and the planet that is the 4HL will apply

 

However I am confused if this is to be applied in case of house lordship only or in case of planet occupancy also

e.g: for 4HL in 6H it should not be applied - but should be applied for what results the 4H sign, the 4HL and the planet in question result

 

Thanks

Kiran

 

 

 

 

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That, was very informative.

thanks,

phani

 

 

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 7:02 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote:

 

>

>

> Kiran jee,

>

> Please allow me to offer my observations and perspective!

>

> Your starting point is misplaced :-)

> The starting-point should have been DIVINATION, not astrology!

>

> DIVINATION (the meaning of that keyword is for you to search and

> explore...!) has two components (not approaches!):

> LOGIC (including astrology or astro-logic), and

> INTUITION!

>

> As a very dear friend of mine once said and it stayed me all my life so

> far:

>

> " Divination is like a bird with two wings: Logic and Intuition

>

> Clip off one of the wings and the bird will just continue to flap and flop

> around going in circles...! "

>

> Thank you, Charles!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

> vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>,

> " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama wrote:

> >

> > There are 2 approaches to astrology:

> > 1. Logic

> > 2. Yogas and Intuition.

> > I am using the first approach

> >

> > I am not trying to make a prediction out of 4HL in 6H or vice-versa for a

> chart. Inorder to interpret all factors, one must know what will be the

> significance of each factor in its own.

> >

> > I will summarize my learnings on this so far from various groups:

> >

> > 1. From Francois ji:

> > x lord in y house means 'y house significations' happen through 'x

> house'. I found this very convincing:

> > Say lagna lord in 10H. then '10H significations' happen through 'lagna':

> meaning career happens through efforts of native. e.g.: Somebody like Sidhu

> - not the most talented but having a big heart and hardwork

> > Say vice-versa: then 'native' happens through '10H Significations':

> meaning the native was blessed with inherent abilities for a good career.

> e.g: Somebody like Sachin - the most talented and automatically getting what

> he wants

> >

> > 2. From Sreenadh ji:

> > Always see sign->house->planet for results for x lord in y house:

> >

> > so for 4HL in 6H, you have to see:

> > results specified by sign that the 6H is in

> > then what 6H signifies

> > then what the 4HL signifies

> > and what is promised by each i.e. the intersection will only prevail

> >

> > Now from 4HL in 6H alone, that which is specified by both 6H and the 4HL

> and the planet that is the 4HL will apply

> >

> > However I am confused if this is to be applied in case of house lordship

> only or in case of planet occupancy also

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>,

> " astroimran " <astroimran@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kiran and members,

> > >

> > > The issue appears quite interesting. I would like to add my two cents.

> > >

> > > First of all, matter of bhaveshphalam (i.e. house lord effects in

> different houses) comes after grahaphalam (i.e. planets effect in different

> houses) as far as order of importance is concerned.

> > >

> > > Secondly, in Jyoytish:

> > >

> > > " Effect of X-House lord in Y-House is NOT equal to Y-House lord in

> X-House (vide BPHS Chapter 24 and prior 12 Chapters). "

> > >

> > > As stated above grahaphalam is important than bhaveshphalam (note that

> Parashar, in his BPHS, first taught bhavphal and grahaphal then discussed

> bhaveshphal). Even if you ignore this concept then no inference can be

> deducted on the basis of mere 'house-lord-result'. Since all the 12 houses

> are not uniform in strength. Furthermore they simultaneously contain

> significations (karakattvas) of various areas of life and fall in sign who

> are different in nature and attributes. So in my humble opinion, no thesis

> can be established on the line of algebra in 'predictive astrology'.

> > >

> > > Apart from it, the subject of parivartana is not usual. Planets in

> mutual exchange behave in entirely different fashion, especially in their

> respective dashas.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > > M. Imran

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>,

> " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Let me apply this rightaway:

> > > >

> > > > 4H: real estate, mother

> > > > 6H: difficulties/debts, diseases, enemies

> > > >

> > > > 4HL in 6H:

> > > > things signified by 4H will be the cause of things signified by 6H

> > > > so the cause of difficulties/debts, diseases and enemies will be

> mother and real estate

> > > >

> > > > 6HL in 4H:

> > > > things signified by 6H will be the cause of things signified by 4H

> > > > So the cause of mother, real estate will be difficulties & diseases

> > > >

> > > > Consider real estate and debt:

> > > > 4HL in 6H will mean real estate will be the cause of debt

> > > > 6HL in 4H will mean debt is the cause of real estate

> > > >

> > > > Don't they both imply that real estate was acquired through a loan?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Kiran

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>,

> " Francois CARRIERE " <yl.car.fr@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello,

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>,

> " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One of the subtleties of astrology is how the results of how 'x

> lord in y house' differ from 'y lord in x house'

> > > > >

> > > > > Actually there is another rule in western astrology I use in

> jyotish, which is sometimes helpful (but not every times, since the position

> of the planet analogy in the house is more important and it stands both in

> western astrology and jyotish). Also, L.R. Chawdhri (Scientific Analysis of

> Horoscope, Sagar Pub.) use it also in his studies of each Ascendants.

> > > > >

> > > > > The rule suppose a " cause " and an " end " for each House. It goes

> like this:

> > > > >

> > > > > - Let say we are studying House " Y " and Lord of " X " is in house

> " Y " , then something signifed by House " X " will be the _cause_ of something

> signified by " Y " . This indicates how something begins in house " Y " .

> > > > >

> > > > > - Let say now we are studying House " Y " with its Lord in House " X " ,

> then something signified by House " X " will be the result (how it will " end " )

> of the things signifed by House " Y " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope it helps and it is clear! ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > François

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

I'm going home, back to the place where i belong

Where your love has always been enough for me

I'm not running from,no, i think you got me all wrong

I dont regret this life i chose for me !!

 

 

 

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Dear Mr. Kiran,   You have started a a very good thread. In fact, i was thinking exactly on the same issue which you happened to start a thread on.   In fact I was thinking on how we can use such a distinction o to accurately assess the characteristics of a person.

    I was trying use this in the Cuspal interlink Theory. The Cuspal Interlink Theory is an offshoot of KP and KP is an offshoot of traditional astrology.    I have prepared a table of linkages for all houses which needs further working on it. If members so wish I will attach that file in my next mail. Since many members here in this forum are not well disposed towards KP I am a little hesitant. Comments of members on that table would greatly help in developing the subject.

Regards,UdupaOn Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:52 PM, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

There are 2 approaches to astrology:

1. Logic

2. Yogas and Intuition.

I am using the first approach

 

I am not trying to make a prediction out of 4HL in 6H or vice-versa for a chart. Inorder to interpret all factors, one must know what will be the significance of each factor in its own.

 

I will summarize my learnings on this so far from various groups:

 

1. From Francois ji:

x lord in y house means 'y house significations' happen through 'x house'. I found this very convincing:

Say lagna lord in 10H. then '10H significations' happen through 'lagna': meaning career happens through efforts of native. e.g.: Somebody like Sidhu - not the most talented but having a big heart and hardwork

Say vice-versa: then 'native' happens through '10H Significations': meaning the native was blessed with inherent abilities for a good career. e.g: Somebody like Sachin - the most talented and automatically getting what he wants

 

2. From Sreenadh ji:

Always see sign->house->planet for results for x lord in y house:

 

so for 4HL in 6H, you have to see:

results specified by sign that the 6H is in

then what 6H signifies

then what the 4HL signifies

and what is promised by each i.e. the intersection will only prevail

 

Now from 4HL in 6H alone, that which is specified by both 6H and the 4HL and the planet that is the 4HL will apply

 

However I am confused if this is to be applied in case of house lordship only or in case of planet occupancy also

e.g: for 4HL in 6H it should not be applied - but should be applied for what results the 4H sign, the 4HL and the planet in question result

 

Thanks

Kiran

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Udupa ji,

 

appreciate your gestures, BUT

 

For heavens sake can You explain, how on earth would anyone comment on

your table even if you put it, when you yourself have explained that its

an offshoot of KP, and some members here are not well disposed towards

Kp, then how will this happen ?

 

Have you ascertained how many here know KP, before you venture on

something more complicated like Cuspal interlinks and inviting their

comments ?

 

This would be like putting a Trignometry model for a class who is into

normal Physics and maths.

 

Before one attempts to Teach, we have to prove ourselves as having

Knowledge over the subject by way of supporting evidences. In case of

Astrology it has to be done through constant discussions on the forum

where one wishes to attempt doing so, and explaining about what one

Knows, and proving its efficacy in these discussions stretched over a

period of time.

 

Unfortunately these days only Teachers are being produced, and students

too less...

 

In your case, i would expect and request you to please put an article

first on what is cuspal interinks, and mind it it should be foolproof,

no one must be able to shred it into pieces with his arguments, and if

so, then you must be available here to reply and counter argue on the

astrological principles you suggest to propogate.

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

, Guru <ahudupa

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Kiran,

> You have started a a very good thread. In fact, i was thinking exactly

on

> the same issue which you happened to start a thread on.

> In fact I was thinking on how we can use such a distinction o to

> accurately assess the characteristics of a person.

> I was trying use this in the Cuspal interlink Theory. The Cuspal

> Interlink Theory is an offshoot of KP and KP is an offshoot of

traditional

> astrology.

> I have prepared a table of linkages for all houses which needs further

> working on it. If members so wish I will attach that file in my next

mail.

> Since many members here in this forum are not well disposed towards KP

I am

> a little hesitant. Comments of members on that table would greatly

help

> in developing the subject.

> Regards,

> Udupa

>

> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:52 PM, kiran.rama kiran.rama wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > There are 2 approaches to astrology:

> > 1. Logic

> > 2. Yogas and Intuition.

> > I am using the first approach

> >

> > I am not trying to make a prediction out of 4HL in 6H or vice-versa

for a

> > chart. Inorder to interpret all factors, one must know what will be

the

> > significance of each factor in its own.

> >

> > I will summarize my learnings on this so far from various groups:

> >

> > 1. From Francois ji:

> > x lord in y house means 'y house significations' happen through 'x

house'.

> > I found this very convincing:

> > Say lagna lord in 10H. then '10H significations' happen through

'lagna':

> > meaning career happens through efforts of native. e.g.: Somebody

like Sidhu

> > - not the most talented but having a big heart and hardwork

> > Say vice-versa: then 'native' happens through '10H Significations':

meaning

> > the native was blessed with inherent abilities for a good career.

e.g:

> > Somebody like Sachin - the most talented and automatically getting

what he

> > wants

> >

> > 2. From Sreenadh ji:

> > Always see sign->house->planet for results for x lord in y house:

> >

> > so for 4HL in 6H, you have to see:

> > results specified by sign that the 6H is in

> > then what 6H signifies

> > then what the 4HL signifies

> > and what is promised by each i.e. the intersection will only prevail

> >

> > Now from 4HL in 6H alone, that which is specified by both 6H and the

4HL

> > and the planet that is the 4HL will apply

> >

> > However I am confused if this is to be applied in case of house

lordship

> > only or in case of planet occupancy also

> > e.g: for 4HL in 6H it should not be applied - but should be applied

for

> > what results the 4H sign, the 4HL and the planet in question result

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

>

> Please visit my website http://www.astrocare.in

>

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Dear Bhaskar ji,   Thanks for your comments. I could not however quite figure out what you suggested to me. Please see the embedded answers below in your text.......On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Udupa ji,

 

appreciate your gestures, BUT

 

For heavens sake can You explain, how on earth would anyone comment on

your table even if you put it, when you yourself have explained that its

an offshoot of KP, and some members here are not well disposed towards

Kp, then how will this happen ?I simply do not know how this will happen. I need someone to discuss with. 

 

 

Have you ascertained how many here know KP, before you venture on

something more complicated like Cuspal interlinks and inviting their

comments ? I have no idea as to how many people are their with knowledge of KP, but surely there are quite a few, I think.

 

 

This would be like putting a Trignometry model for a class who is into

normal Physics and maths.

 

Before one attempts to Teach, we have to prove ourselves as having

Knowledge over the subject by way of supporting evidences. In case of

Astrology it has to be done through constant discussions on the forum

where one wishes to attempt doing so, and explaining about what one

Knows, and proving its efficacy in these discussions stretched over a

period of time.

 

Unfortunately these days only Teachers are being produced, and students

too less...Right now, I have no intentions to teach. I ma not averse to teaching. I know teaching would require a lot of of efforts. Please do not mistake me that I am trying to find students for my classes.

 

 

In your case, i would expect and request you to please put an article

first on what is cuspal interinks, and mind it it should be foolproof,

no one must be able to shred it into pieces with his arguments, and if

so, then you must be available here to reply and counter argue on the

astrological principles you suggest to propogate.Do you think an article would serve the purpose? Mr. Bhaskaran has written four books. Mr.Khullar also has written four books (now one more).   Even a simple article even  without any example would be quite long.

     When I said I will attach the table I was assuming that traditional astrology people can read it like x lord going to y house wound mean that x house is contributing to y house ie y house is the beneficiary. I have prepared the table with such description only. However , If we use Cuspal Interlinks then this table could give much more insight, that is all. Cupal interlinks knowledge is not a must.

  I would welcome your inputs.Regards,Udupa

 

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

, Guru <ahudupa

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Kiran,

> You have started a a very good thread. In fact, i was thinking exactly

on

> the same issue which you happened to start a thread on.

> In fact I was thinking on how we can use such a distinction o to

> accurately assess the characteristics of a person.

> I was trying use this in the Cuspal interlink Theory. The Cuspal

> Interlink Theory is an offshoot of KP and KP is an offshoot of

traditional

> astrology.

> I have prepared a table of linkages for all houses which needs further

> working on it. If members so wish I will attach that file in my next

mail.

> Since many members here in this forum are not well disposed towards KP

I am

> a little hesitant. Comments of members on that table would greatly

help

> in developing the subject.

> Regards,

> Udupa

>

> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:52 PM, kiran.rama kiran.rama wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > There are 2 approaches to astrology:

> > 1. Logic

> > 2. Yogas and Intuition.

> > I am using the first approach

> >

> > I am not trying to make a prediction out of 4HL in 6H or vice-versa

for a

> > chart. Inorder to interpret all factors, one must know what will be

the

> > significance of each factor in its own.

> >

> > I will summarize my learnings on this so far from various groups:

> >

> > 1. From Francois ji:

> > x lord in y house means 'y house significations' happen through 'x

house'.

> > I found this very convincing:

> > Say lagna lord in 10H. then '10H significations' happen through

'lagna':

> > meaning career happens through efforts of native. e.g.: Somebody

like Sidhu

> > - not the most talented but having a big heart and hardwork

> > Say vice-versa: then 'native' happens through '10H Significations':

meaning

> > the native was blessed with inherent abilities for a good career.

e.g:

> > Somebody like Sachin - the most talented and automatically getting

what he

> > wants

> >

> > 2. From Sreenadh ji:

> > Always see sign->house->planet for results for x lord in y house:

> >

> > so for 4HL in 6H, you have to see:

> > results specified by sign that the 6H is in

> > then what 6H signifies

> > then what the 4HL signifies

> > and what is promised by each i.e. the intersection will only prevail

> >

> > Now from 4HL in 6H alone, that which is specified by both 6H and the

4HL

> > and the planet that is the 4HL will apply

> >

> > However I am confused if this is to be applied in case of house

lordship

> > only or in case of planet occupancy also

> > e.g: for 4HL in 6H it should not be applied - but should be applied

for

> > what results the 4H sign, the 4HL and the planet in question result

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

>

> Please visit my website http://www.astrocare.in

>

 

 

 

 

 

-- Please visit my website http://www.astrocare.in

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Dear Guru ji,

Thank You for the reply. First let me reply to some lines written by you.

// Right now, I have no intentions to teach. I ma not averse to teaching. I know teaching would require a lot of of efforts. Please do not mistake me that I am trying to find students for my classes. //

I really am not aware of what you are doing, who you are, and if you are running classes. So I never indicated that actually. But its good that you have confirmed. btw already we have 2-3 members running classes here, including me.

Books by Khullar ji, few of my frnds possess, but their views are not worth putting over here.

Book by Baskaran ji I am told is very good and worth reading. I myself do not possess this.

If you feel that without elemnetary knowledge of KP one can understand the nuances and predictive style of Cuspal interlinks, then you must certainly do this for the Astrological community. Knowledge shared, is knowledge gained.

all the best.

Bhaskar.

, Guru <ahudupa wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> Thanks for your comments. I could not however quite figure out what you> suggested to me. Please see the embedded answers below in your text.......> > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> > >> >> >> > Dear Udupa ji,> >> > appreciate your gestures, BUT> >> > For heavens sake can You explain, how on earth would anyone comment on> > your table even if you put it, when you yourself have explained that its> > an offshoot of KP, and some members here are not well disposed towards> > Kp, then how will this happen ?> >> I simply do not know how this will happen. I need someone to discuss with.> > >> > Have you ascertained how many here know KP, before you venture on> > something more complicated like Cuspal interlinks and inviting their> > comments ?> >> I have no idea as to how many people are their with knowledge of KP, but> surely there are quite a few, I think.> > >> > This would be like putting a Trignometry model for a class who is into> > normal Physics and maths.> >> > Before one attempts to Teach, we have to prove ourselves as having> > Knowledge over the subject by way of supporting evidences. In case of> > Astrology it has to be done through constant discussions on the forum> > where one wishes to attempt doing so, and explaining about what one> > Knows, and proving its efficacy in these discussions stretched over a> > period of time.> >> > Unfortunately these days only Teachers are being produced, and students> > too less...> >> Right now, I have no intentions to teach. I ma not averse to teaching. I> know teaching would require a lot of of efforts. Please do not mistake me> that I am trying to find students for my classes.> > >> > In your case, i would expect and request you to please put an article> > first on what is cuspal interinks, and mind it it should be foolproof,> > no one must be able to shred it into pieces with his arguments, and if> > so, then you must be available here to reply and counter argue on the> > astrological principles you suggest to propogate.> >> Do you think an article would serve the purpose? Mr. Bhaskaran has written> four books. Mr.Khullar also has written four books (now one more). Even a> simple article even without any example would be quite long.> When I said I will attach the table I was assuming that> traditional astrology people can read it like x lord going to y> house wound mean that x house is contributing to y house ie y house is the> beneficiary. I have prepared the table with such description only. However ,> If we use Cuspal Interlinks then this table could give much more insight,> that is all. Cupal interlinks knowledge is not a must.> I would welcome your inputs.> Regards,> Udupa> > >> > best wishes,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> > <%40>,> > Guru ahudupa@> > wrote:> >> > >> > > Dear Mr. Kiran,> > > You have started a a very good thread. In fact, i was thinking exactly> > on> > > the same issue which you happened to start a thread on.> > > In fact I was thinking on how we can use such a distinction o to> > > accurately assess the characteristics of a person.> > > I was trying use this in the Cuspal interlink Theory. The Cuspal> > > Interlink Theory is an offshoot of KP and KP is an offshoot of> > traditional> > > astrology.> > > I have prepared a table of linkages for all houses which needs further> > > working on it. If members so wish I will attach that file in my next> > mail.> > > Since many members here in this forum are not well disposed towards KP> > I am> > > a little hesitant. Comments of members on that table would greatly> > help> > > in developing the subject.> > > Regards,> > > Udupa> > >> > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:52 PM, kiran.rama kiran.rama@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > There are 2 approaches to astrology:> > > > 1. Logic> > > > 2. Yogas and Intuition.> > > > I am using the first approach> > > >> > > > I am not trying to make a prediction out of 4HL in 6H or vice-versa> > for a> > > > chart. Inorder to interpret all factors, one must know what will be> > the> > > > significance of each factor in its own.> > > >> > > > I will summarize my learnings on this so far from various groups:> > > >> > > > 1. From Francois ji:> > > > x lord in y house means 'y house significations' happen through 'x> > house'.> > > > I found this very convincing:> > > > Say lagna lord in 10H. then '10H significations' happen through> > 'lagna':> > > > meaning career happens through efforts of native. e.g.: Somebody> > like Sidhu> > > > - not the most talented but having a big heart and hardwork> > > > Say vice-versa: then 'native' happens through '10H Significations':> > meaning> > > > the native was blessed with inherent abilities for a good career.> > e.g:> > > > Somebody like Sachin - the most talented and automatically getting> > what he> > > > wants> > > >> > > > 2. From Sreenadh ji:> > > > Always see sign->house->planet for results for x lord in y house:> > > >> > > > so for 4HL in 6H, you have to see:> > > > results specified by sign that the 6H is in> > > > then what 6H signifies> > > > then what the 4HL signifies> > > > and what is promised by each i.e. the intersection will only prevail> > > >> > > > Now from 4HL in 6H alone, that which is specified by both 6H and the> > 4HL> > > > and the planet that is the 4HL will apply> > > >> > > > However I am confused if this is to be applied in case of house> > lordship> > > > only or in case of planet occupancy also> > > > e.g: for 4HL in 6H it should not be applied - but should be applied> > for> > > > what results the 4H sign, the 4HL and the planet in question result> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Kiran> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --> >> > >> > > Please visit my website http://www.astrocare.in> > >> >> > > >> > > > -- > > Please visit my website http://www.astrocare.in>

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Guruji,

 

I would request you to put the Cuspal interlink theory, may be something new but why not see if it has worth in it.

 

regds

Dev--- On Fri, 4/2/10, Guru <ahudupa wrote:

Guru <ahudupaRe: Summary of x lord in y house vs. y lord in x house Date: Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:23 AM

Dear Mr. Kiran,

You have started a a very good thread. In fact, i was thinking exactly on the same issue which you happened to start a thread on.

In fact I was thinking on how we can use such a distinction o to accurately assess the characteristics of a person.

I was trying use this in the Cuspal interlink Theory. The Cuspal Interlink Theory is an offshoot of KP and KP is an offshoot of traditional astrology.

I have prepared a table of linkages for all houses which needs further working on it. If members so wish I will attach that file in my next mail. Since many members here in this forum are not well disposed towards KP I am a little hesitant. Comments of members on that table would greatly help in developing the subject.

Regards,

Udupa

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:52 PM, kiran.rama <kiran.rama (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

 

 

There are 2 approaches to astrology:1. Logic2. Yogas and Intuition.I am using the first approachI am not trying to make a prediction out of 4HL in 6H or vice-versa for a chart. Inorder to interpret all factors, one must know what will be the significance of each factor in its own.I will summarize my learnings on this so far from various groups:1. From Francois ji:x lord in y house means 'y house significations' happen through 'x house'. I found this very convincing:Say lagna lord in 10H. then '10H significations' happen through 'lagna': meaning career happens through efforts of native. e.g.: Somebody like Sidhu - not the most talented but having a big heart and hardworkSay vice-versa: then 'native' happens through '10H Significations': meaning the native was blessed with inherent abilities for a good career. e.g: Somebody like Sachin - the most talented and automatically getting what he wants2.

From Sreenadh ji:Always see sign->house->planet for results for x lord in y house:so for 4HL in 6H, you have to see:results specified by sign that the 6H is in then what 6H signifiesthen what the 4HL signifiesand what is promised by each i.e. the intersection will only prevailNow from 4HL in 6H alone, that which is specified by both 6H and the 4HL and the planet that is the 4HL will applyHowever I am confused if this is to be applied in case of house lordship only or in case of planet occupancy alsoe.g: for 4HL in 6H it should not be applied - but should be applied for what results the 4H sign, the 4HL and the planet in question resultThanksKiran

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