Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Dear All, There are 2 opinion for Rashi and Bhav linkage Rashi/Sign is Fixed and same rashi linked with different Bhav of Person (based on that action/reaction we observed) Bhav are Fixed human being can be categories with having Bhav/Bhavana Fixed and Rashi linked with such Bhav and considered as not fixed Both says same thing no problem with them but still i feel that reasons for such both types of analogy should be different....however i can think of some reasons as below.... Lets take example of Arihant and Arhat Arihant---who is enemy less --here approach is via Maha + veer Arhat---who is enemy less --here approach is via Param mitrata/Tao Anybody interested can provide thoughts on same.... ------------------ Regards, Devisingh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Dear Dev Ji and group members,I look this question in following manner:1. For a given time equation ( Date , Time and Place) Ascending and M.C. points on ecliptic are well defined and fixed and there seems to be anonymity among savants. 2. There is a general agreement on the signification of houses. Whatever difference appears sometimes is on account of approach about a particular subject or object. That should be obvious as almost every thing is represented by 12 bhava's i.e. abstract and material things or all living beings etc. 3.Now following main difference arises : a. Bhavas should be projected or visualized along the equator or ecliptic. b. If projected on equator , all bhavas will be of 30 degree duration and even angular arc between Ascending and M.C. Points will always be 90 degree. Still there will be two alternatives (1) these points should act as middle points or (2) these point act as caspal points 4. If Bhava's are projected or visualized along the ecliptic , the angular arc of bhavas will vary on account of variation in duration of angular arc of Ascending and M.C. Points. however , two options will remain that these point are considered mid or caspal points of bhavas. 5. Zodiac signs and Nakshatras are always projected and visualized along the ecliptic. This is the Astronomical requirement and they occupy equal arc on ecliptic. 6. Nakshatra are in sidereal in nature , as such these occupy fixed space in sky. 7. Locations of Zodiac signs will depend on definition adopted in various schools of astrology. They are mainly three in number: (a). Signs linked with Nakshatra. These are called sidereal signs.They always commence from a fixed point in the back ground of stars. Nakshatra Asvini and first sign Aries always commence from same fixed point. this is called initial or zero point of sign Aries.There are some difference of poinion on the exact location of this point. Now a days , majority view favors that Star Citra (Spica 16)may be considered opposite to this point. But , in spite of differences , Aries and Asvini will always commence from same point and sign Pisces and Nakshtra Revti will end on this point. (b) Tropical sign always commences from V.E.Point. In modern Astronomy is called 'FIRST POINT OF ARIES. This point recedes about 50.3 sec. in the sky in the back ground of stars. © one school consider Lagna bhava is synonyms to Sign Aries.( as in Lalkitab system) 8. There is no difference of opinion that a sign is owned by a planet. The lord of houses depend on the zodiac Sign occupied on mid-point or cusp of the houses. 9. Signification of signs and Planets is fixed.In addition to this , a planet also signify the KAKTWA of the house owned by it. Regards, G.K.GOEL Invest your money wisely post Budget Sign up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Can we have a deineation of a chart on the basis of natal chart vs bhava chart, that will itself reveal all. Manoj--- On Mon, 4/5/10, gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote: gopal krishna goel <g.k.goelRE: sign or bhav which is fixed? Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 7:21 PM Dear Dev Ji and group members,I look this question in following manner:1. For a given time equation ( Date , Time and Place) Ascending and M.C. points on ecliptic are well defined and fixed and there seems to be anonymity among savants. 2. There is a general agreement on the signification of houses. Whatever difference appears sometimes is on account of approach about a particular subject or object. That should be obvious as almost every thing is represented by 12 bhava's i.e. abstract and material things or all living beings etc. 3.Now following main difference arises : a. Bhavas should be projected or visualized along the equator or ecliptic. b. If projected on equator , all bhavas will be of 30 degree duration and even angular arc between Ascending and M.C. Points will always be 90 degree. Still there will be two alternatives (1) these points should act as middle points or (2) these point act as caspal points 4. If Bhava's are projected or visualized along the ecliptic , the angular arc of bhavas will vary on account of variation in duration of angular arc of Ascending and M.C. Points. however , two options will remain that these point are considered mid or caspal points of bhavas. 5. Zodiac signs and Nakshatras are always projected and visualized along the ecliptic. This is the Astronomical requirement and they occupy equal arc on ecliptic. 6. Nakshatra are in sidereal in nature , as such these occupy fixed space in sky. 7. Locations of Zodiac signs will depend on definition adopted in various schools of astrology. They are mainly three in number: (a). Signs linked with Nakshatra. These are called sidereal signs.They always commence from a fixed point in the back ground of stars. Nakshatra Asvini and first sign Aries always commence from same fixed point. this is called initial or zero point of sign Aries.There are some difference of poinion on the exact location of this point. Now a days , majority view favors that Star Citra (Spica 16)may be considered opposite to this point. But , in spite of differences , Aries and Asvini will always commence from same point and sign Pisces and Nakshtra Revti will end on this point. (b) Tropical sign always commences from V.E.Point. In modern Astronomy is called 'FIRST POINT OF ARIES. This point recedes about 50.3 sec. in the sky in the back ground of stars. © one school consider Lagna bhava is synonyms to Sign Aries.( as in Lalkitab system) 8. There is no difference of opinion that a sign is owned by a planet. The lord of houses depend on the zodiac Sign occupied on mid-point or cusp of the houses. 9. Signification of signs and Planets is fixed.In addition to this , a planet also signify the KAKTWA of the house owned by it. Regards, G.K.GOEL Invest your money wisely post Budget Sign up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Dear Devising ji, As per Katwe ji, Bhava are fixed. Lagn starting from the horizon 0-30 degree, 12th house above it from 30-60 degrees and so on. This means when a person is born, his houses from Lagan, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8 and 7th are exposed (Udit) and remaining are hidden (Anudit). The planets in the Udit portion affects the most. A bhava may contain one or more rashi depending upon the degree of ascendent rashi. Learned fraternity to comment please. Regards / Amit , devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote: > > Dear All, > > There are 2 opinion for Rashi and Bhav linkage > > 1. Rashi/Sign is Fixed and same rashi linked with different Bhav of > Person (based on that action/reaction we observed) > 2. Bhav are Fixed human being can be categories with having > Bhav/Bhavana Fixed and Rashi linked with such Bhav and considered > as not fixed > > Both says same thing no problem with them but still i feel that reasons > for such both types of analogy should be different....however i can > think of some reasons as below.... > > Lets take example of Arihant and Arhat > > Arihant---who is enemy less --here approach is via Maha + veer > Arhat---who is enemy less --here approach is via Param mitrata/Tao > > Anybody interested can provide thoughts on same.... > ------------------ > Regards, > Devisingh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 A good informative and knowledgable mail... , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote: > > > Dear Dev Ji and group members, > I look this question in following manner: > 1. For a given time equation ( Date , Time and Place) Ascending and > M.C. points on ecliptic are well defined and fixed and there seems to be > anonymity among savants. > 2. There is a general agreement on the signification of houses. Whatever > difference appears sometimes is on account of approach about a particular > subject or object. That should be obvious as almost every thing is represented > by 12 bhava's i.e. abstract and material things or all living beings etc. > 3.Now following main difference arises : > a. Bhavas should be projected or visualized along the equator or ecliptic. > b. If projected on equator , all bhavas will be of 30 degree duration and even > angular arc between Ascending and M.C. Points will always be 90 degree. > Still there will be two alternatives (1) these points should act as middle points > or (2) these point act as caspal points > 4. If Bhava's are projected or visualized along the ecliptic , the angular arc of > bhavas will vary on account of variation in duration of angular arc of Ascending > and M.C. Points. however , two options will remain that these point are considered > mid or caspal points of bhavas. > 5. Zodiac signs and Nakshatras are always projected and visualized along the > ecliptic. This is the Astronomical requirement and they occupy equal arc on ecliptic. > 6. Nakshatra are in sidereal in nature , as such these occupy fixed space in sky. > 7. Locations of Zodiac signs will depend on definition adopted in various schools > of astrology. They are mainly three in number: > (a). Signs linked with Nakshatra. These are called sidereal signs.They always > commence from a fixed point in the back ground of stars. Nakshatra Asvini > and first sign Aries always commence from same fixed point. this is called > initial or zero point of sign Aries.There are some difference of poinion on the > exact location of this point. Now a days , majority view favors that Star Citra > (Spica 16)may be considered opposite to this point. But , in spite of differences , Aries > and Asvini will always commence from same point and sign Pisces and Nakshtra > Revti will end on this point. > (b) Tropical sign always commences from V.E.Point. In modern Astronomy is called > 'FIRST POINT OF ARIES. This point recedes about 50.3 sec. in the sky in the > back ground of stars. > © one school consider Lagna bhava is synonyms to Sign Aries.( as in Lalkitab system) > 8. There is no difference of opinion that a sign is owned by a planet. The lord of houses > depend on the zodiac Sign occupied on mid-point or cusp of the houses. > 9. Signification of signs and Planets is fixed.In addition to this , a planet also signify > the KAKTWA of the house owned by it. > Regards, > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > _______________ > Climate, controversies and the changing signatures of nature > http://green.in.msn.com/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Dear G.K.GOEL JI, Thanks for sharing you views it may help to many people.... My self is devisingh as soon as you aware no issue you may pronounce Dev.... but that seems address of our another friend in this group....no issue to me as far as information sharing is pleasure.... Everybody perspective may differ to look things differently.....that is beauty... However I look from Bhavnaa/Brain point of view...action and responce generated by any person in certain situation this is more logical with science that says same and everybody doing first that only till he is not becoming Twiz(reborn in same life)....Rashi are like quantity that may be vary from person to person initially but that does not mean that we can not supply extra quantity from outside fro working of brain.... I did not get do you prefer Bhaav fixed or sign fixed....anyway good sharing... ------------------ Regards, Devisingh gopal krishna goel wrote: Dear Dev Ji and group members, I look this question in following manner: 1. For a given time equation ( Date , Time and Place) Ascending and M.C. points on ecliptic are well defined and fixed and there seems to be anonymity among savants. 2. There is a general agreement on the signification of houses. Whatever difference appears sometimes is on account of approach about a particular subject or object. That should be obvious as almost every thing is represented by 12 bhava's i.e. abstract and material things or all living beings etc. 3.Now following main difference arises : a. Bhavas should be projected or visualized along the equator or ecliptic. b. If projected on equator , all bhavas will be of 30 degree duration and even angular arc between Ascending and M.C. Points will always be 90 degree. Still there will be two alternatives (1) these points should act as middle points or (2) these point act as caspal points 4. If Bhava's are projected or visualized along the ecliptic , the angular arc of bhavas will vary on account of variation in duration of angular arc of Ascending and M.C. Points. however , two options will remain that these point are considered mid or caspal points of bhavas. 5. Zodiac signs and Nakshatras are always projected and visualized along the ecliptic. This is the Astronomical requirement and they occupy equal arc on ecliptic. 6. Nakshatra are in sidereal in nature , as such these occupy fixed space in sky. 7. Locations of Zodiac signs will depend on definition adopted in various schools of astrology. They are mainly three in number: (a). Signs linked with Nakshatra. These are called sidereal signs.They always commence from a fixed point in the back ground of stars. Nakshatra Asvini and first sign Aries always commence from same fixed point. this is called initial or zero point of sign Aries.There are some difference of poinion on the exact location of this point. Now a days , majority view favors that Star Citra (Spica 16)may be considered opposite to this point. But , in spite of differences , Aries and Asvini will always commence from same point and sign Pisces and Nakshtra Revti will end on this point. (b) Tropical sign always commences from V.E.Point. In modern Astronomy is called 'FIRST POINT OF ARIES. This point recedes about 50.3 sec. in the sky in the back ground of stars. © one school consider Lagna bhava is synonyms to Sign Aries.( as in Lalkitab system) 8. There is no difference of opinion that a sign is owned by a planet. The lord of houses depend on the zodiac Sign occupied on mid-point or cusp of the houses. 9. Signification of signs and Planets is fixed.In addition to this , a planet also signify the KAKTWA of the house owned by it. Regards, G.K.GOEL Invest your money wisely post Budget Sign up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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