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Dear Brendan

The dictum is that when the Karakamsa is the same as navamsa lagna, the birth is in a royal family or a very good family.

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Bpfeeley [bpfeeley] Friday, March 12, 2004 10:22 AMvarahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Atmakaraka

Hare Rama KrishnaDear Jyotisha,If the AK happens to be in the first house of all charts from D-1 to D-60, it would surely indicate a great soul. Is there any sloka that refers to such a great yoga?Would appreciate any input.Regards,Brendan |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

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Dear Brendan,

The concerned Planet would no doubt be strong on the basis the Lagna

Rasi involved and relation of the planet with the Rasi Lord. I would

think whether the person would be a great soul or not would depend on

whether the planet gives its results in advanced degrees or not. This

is my personal opinion and those more learned than me may disagree.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Bpfeeley wrote:

 

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Jyotisha,

 

If the AK happens to be in the first house of all charts from D-1 to

D-60, it would surely indicate a great soul. Is there any sloka that

refers to such a great yoga?

 

Would appreciate any input.

 

Regards,

Brendan

 

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

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Dear Brendan,

The concerned Planet would no doubt be strong on the basis the Lagna

Rasi involved and relation of the planet with the Rasi Lord. I would

think whether the person would be a great soul or not would depend on

whether the planet gives its results in advanced degrees or not. This

is my personal opinion and those more learned than me may disagree.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Bpfeeley wrote:

 

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Jyotisha,

 

If the AK happens to be in the first house of all charts from D-1 to

D-60, it would surely indicate a great soul. Is there any sloka that

refers to such a great yoga?

 

Would appreciate any input.

 

Regards,

Brendan

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In a message dated 03/12/2004 1:23:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, guruji writes:

 

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Sanjay,

 

I was aware of that dictum but I recall somewhere that if the AK occupies the lagna in many vargas, it gives a very extraodinary raj yoga.

 

Regards,

Brendan

 

 

Dear Brendan

The dictum is that when the Karakamsa is the same as navamsa lagna, the birth is in a royal family or a very good family.

With best regards,

Sanjay Rath

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In a message dated 03/12/2004 2:43:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, boxdel writes:

 

Chandrashekar,

 

Yes, the King of the horoscope is always going to be either Mrit or Baal avastha. At least in the majority of cases. Is it possible that the King can be so weak? What can it mean?

 

Regards,

Brendan

 

 

Dear Brendan,

The concerned Planet would no doubt be strong on the basis the Lagna Rasi involved and relation of the planet with the Rasi Lord. I would think whether the person would be a great soul or not would depend on whether the planet gives its results in advanced degrees or not. This is my personal opinion and those more learned than me may disagree.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

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dear brendan ji

atmakarka signifies rnanubandha, so, think in terms of rnanubandhan, u'll get the answer

regards

prashantBpfeeley wrote:

In a message dated 03/12/2004 2:43:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, boxdel writes:Chandrashekar,Yes, the King of the horoscope is always going to be either Mrit or Baal avastha. At least in the majority of cases. Is it possible that the King can be so weak? What can it mean?Regards,Brendan

Dear Brendan,The concerned Planet would no doubt be strong on the basis the Lagna Rasi involved and relation of the planet with the Rasi Lord. I would think whether the person would be a great soul or not would depend on whether the planet gives its results in advanced degrees or not. This is my personal opinion and those more learned than me may disagree.Regards,Chandrashekhar.|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Brendan,

 

It's not just the AK. Any single planet which gets associated with

lagna in all charts is supposed to confer great raja yoga.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

varahamihira , Bpfeeley@A... wrote:

> In a message dated 03/12/2004 1:23:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> guruji@s... writes:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> I was aware of that dictum but I recall somewhere that if the AK

occupies the

> lagna in many vargas, it gives a very extraodinary raj yoga.

>

> Regards,

> Brendan

>

>

> > Dear Brendan

> > The dictum is that when the Karakamsa is the same as navamsa

lagna, the

> > birth is in a royal family or a very good family.

> > With best regards,

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

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Dear Brendan, dear Chandrashekhar,

Thanks for opening this question. Is it possible that the King be so weak, you asked?- he seems to need more criteria to satisfy /exaltation?..SAV../ to be strong? Or maybe King just has a different role, to stamp the chart and give the strongest flavour to destiny, irrespective of its strength? And that's how he "rules"?.

AnnaChandrashekar,Yes, the King of the horoscope is always going to be either Mrit or Baal avastha. At least in the majority of cases. Is it possible that the King can be so weak? What can it mean?Regards,Brendan

Dear Brendan,The concerned Planet would no doubt be strong on the basis the Lagna Rasi involved and relation of the planet with the Rasi Lord. I would think whether the person would be a great soul or not would depend on whether the planet gives its results in advanced degrees or not. This is my personal opinion and those more learned than me may disagree.Regards,Chandrashekhar.|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira << Papyrus.jpg >>_______________

 

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Dear Brendan,

IN the instance quoted by you, one will have to apply the variation of

Navamshayuktah principle to the horoscope. If say a Rasi in 4th house

occupies 8th house in navamsha it is said to be ashtamamsha yuktah. No

doubt the concerned planet will be strong and Atmakaraka dasha might

not give him much trouble. Of course this is my personal opinion.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Bpfeeley wrote:

In a message dated 03/12/2004 2:43:04 PM Eastern

Standard Time, boxdel writes:

 

Chandrashekar,

 

Yes, the King of the horoscope is always going to be either Mrit or

Baal avastha. At least in the majority of cases. Is it possible that

the King can be so weak? What can it mean?

 

Regards,

Brendan

 

 

Dear

Brendan,

The concerned Planet would no doubt be strong on the basis the Lagna

Rasi involved and relation of the planet with the Rasi Lord. I would

think whether the person would be a great soul or not would depend on

whether the planet gives its results in advanced degrees or not. This

is my personal opinion and those more learned than me may disagree.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

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In a message dated 03/13/2004 9:57:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, prashantnarang writes:

 

Prashant,

 

Thanks for the fine explanation.

Regards,

Brendan

 

 

hi sunil,

i meant Rinanubandhan-that means karmic balance of past lives.

what does the word 'atmakarka' mean?

atma-soul, karka -significator. ie. significator of soul.

some say ak protects, some say ak punishes, but actually ak does acc to what karma it carries from the past births.

it is called the king of the horoscope, because it shows the rinanubandha related to self.

good or bad deeds, sukarma or vikarma-

"how can u reap sweet mangoes, if u sow bitter neem?"---kabir

exalted, vargottama, under benefic influence -such an ak would indicate a punyatama-a soul who did lots of good karma in the last birth.

if ak is badly afflicted, u will be severley punished, & irrespective of other charkaraks & their yogas, u'll have the punishment. & vice versa.

the duty of ak is to take u to moksha, hence in ak's dasa constantly gives reminders to head towrds the 'right path'.

i feel that charkarakas merely shows the karmic balance of previous births towards urself & other people. if these r involved in good yoga, u'll definitely enjoy the fruits of it.

other yogas may fail to fruitify , but i'vent come across with any such horoscope, in which ak making a yoga has not bestowed results. thta's why utmost importance should be given to ak-yogas.

that's the reason ak also shows unfulfilled desires to b fulfilled in the birth. charkaraka scheme is meant to take or guide u towards moksha, that's precisely why ketu doesnt get a place in this scheme. hence these karakas shows unsettled accounts whether debit or credit, whichever way the soul needs to balance. charkaraka esp ak must be thoroughly checked in rasi & navamsa along with all concerned yogas it is invloved in ;in order to judge one's goal of life.

hence, if ak occupies same rasi in rasi & navamsa, that house/rasi becomes the supreme motive of the soul. in other vargas, it would just show the significations related to that varga.

 

humble regards

prashant

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Dear Simon,

 

under " Files " you will find lots of information you need.

 

With regard to Atmakaraka and Charakarakas, you can read whole Jaimini

Sutras (warning: very difficult!) and BPHS Chapter 32 and 33. Tip:

Google for Atmakaraka, go to Sanjay Rath's or others webpages or

search this forum, you will find lot of information, probably more

than you can afford!

 

Charakaraka is another topic for discussion. Some use seven

charakarakas, other eight. Difficult to say which is better.

 

Atmakaraka Mars does not necessarily provide serious problems, more

serious is that it is in a Maraka Bhava (house of death) and that Mars

is aspected by Rahu in 7th (the other Maraka Bhava) and Moon in enemy

sign.

 

Mars is in Scorpio, co-lord of Scorpio is afflicting your Lagna

(Ascendant), close yuti (conjunction) with Lagna! This is a moksha

constellation, leading to life obstacles, which of course have their

sense and meaning.

 

Nothing in a horoscope is accidental. It is

a.) the fruit of your past lifes ( " karma " called)

b.) the desire of your immortal soul.

 

Best Regards, Simon!

Pascal

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Dear Pascal and any interested seekers.

 

All you said of Atmakaraka must surely be true, my inner

difficulties I would describe, physically and mentally (and

emotionally and OOOhhhhhh :-) ) We watch observe and go with the

flow....

 

But your comments were spot on, those comments reflect my inner

experience.... I do not dwell on what deeds before this life bring

the suffering, but I feel them like a sword and thorns in the

physical, which feels right for Mars and Ketu.

 

I hadn't given attention to Moon in enemy sign.... that explains a

lot. Such love of my Mother and such a difficult relationship in

many ways.

 

But Pascal surely with these placements we realize our greatest

strengths. I complain often enough in pain, but boy! when I look

at the world I am much much happier to suffer my karma than be

wrapped in those Mars imbalances around the world.

 

If the planets that inflict pain (no... deliver our pain) on us in

our karma are placed in such a way that lead us to want Moksha with

deep desire for it. Ketu in Scorpio in D-9 and Ketu within 2 degrees

of ascendant in D-1 with Mercury, is literally a breath-taking

example of what I want.

 

With these placements it is very interesting, violence has been an

issue of discomfort for me for most of my life, but it is deep past

life karma, the result of Mars Atmakaraka in 2nd (IN SCORPIO)

brings for me an INABILITY to strike another. Not there has been

much need. but there is potent, very potent natural avoidance and

dislike of violence in my inner experience, both to others and

myself.

 

I thought I would share this because Mars in Scorpio as Atmakaraka

would to my novice mind have suggested quite the reverse to very new

understanding of planets.

 

Mars is in house of speech for me.... Hmmmmm transparant aren't I.

 

Thank you to all scholars of this most beautiful of sciences.

 

Best wishes

Simon

 

vedic astrology , " pascalthomas_va "

<pthomas69 wrote:

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> Dear Simon,

>

> under " Files " you will find lots of information you need.

>

> With regard to Atmakaraka and Charakarakas, you can read whole

Jaimini

> Sutras (warning: very difficult!) and BPHS Chapter 32 and 33. Tip:

> Google for Atmakaraka, go to Sanjay Rath's or others webpages or

> search this forum, you will find lot of information, probably more

> than you can afford!

>

> Charakaraka is another topic for discussion. Some use seven

> charakarakas, other eight. Difficult to say which is better.

>

> Atmakaraka Mars does not necessarily provide serious problems, more

> serious is that it is in a Maraka Bhava (house of death) and that

Mars

> is aspected by Rahu in 7th (the other Maraka Bhava) and Moon in

enemy

> sign.

>

> Mars is in Scorpio, co-lord of Scorpio is afflicting your Lagna

> (Ascendant), close yuti (conjunction) with Lagna! This is a moksha

> constellation, leading to life obstacles, which of course have their

> sense and meaning.

>

> Nothing in a horoscope is accidental. It is

> a.) the fruit of your past lifes ( " karma " called)

> b.) the desire of your immortal soul.

>

> Best Regards, Simon!

> Pascal

>

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Dear Simon,

 

before referring to Chara Karakas I strongly recommend to study the

natural karakas (qualities, themes) of each planet (graha).

 

Your suffering does not come primarily from Mars - which is strong in

its own Bhava -, it comes

a) from Rahu aspect

b) from Ketu, co-lord of scorpio, co-dispositor of Mars, in close yuti

(conjunction) with Mars.

 

Mars in 2nd brought some harm to your family life, and perhaps you

have had some speech problems in infancy.

 

Ketu is like Mars, ancient scriptures are telling us, but in a very

different way. Ketu is a " spiritual warriour " which forces is in a

dominant position - like in your chart - to free ourselves from this

world, from our worldy desires. We do not want this, our ego does not

want this - so it is called a malefic, a bad planet. But this is just

a criteria of our ego. Accept Ketu, accept this liberation, and your

suffering will get better.

 

Yes, Mars in 2, in own sign, gives you a lot speech. Why not, it is

not bad...

 

Notice: Your Sun - karaka for your eternal soul - is in House 12,

which is not just a Saturn house, also a KETU house.

 

By the way: Sun is significator for eternal soul.

Atmakaraka (Mars) is significator for your soul now incarnated in this

material world. This is a slight, but important difference.

 

And Ketu in Navamsa is in own amsa (scorpio), which gives him even

more strenght. You are in some way a Ketu-personality, making Ketu

(Moksha) experiences. This is not easy in this material world. But it

was YOU who made this choice before birth... (never forget).

 

So you are occupied with Ketu themes. Inform yourself about Ketu

significations. In FILES section you will find good information in

file " Prash Trivedi - Rahu and Ketu " .

 

For YOU this information seems to me very important.

 

Yes, in a way you are transparent. Astrology is like a DNA-Analysis.

 

Many Greetings

Pascal

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Dear All,

 

I wanted to know :

 

Atmakaraka has been specifically named as the planet whic signifies the main aim on the life of a person. It is planet with most degrees.

It is the first in importance amongst Atmayakaraka, Bhatrukaraka and Matrukaraka.

The only discussions available at first glance are for and against arguments for the inclusion of Ra/Ketu as Atmakaraka, how to calculate AK etc.

Now if 1 amongst 7 main planets is given this position are we neglecting this special rank by not considering it in predictions ?

Awaiting your views and replies.

 

Thanks & Regards

Chiranjiv Mehta

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Dear Friends, BPHS , in chapter 32- 'PLANETARY KARAKATWAS' - SPECIFICALLY deals following special significations of plants: !. Char Karka -representing relations 2. Sthir Karka-representing relations 3. Houses representing relations from their Natural significators. like ninth house from Sun for father , forth house from Moon for Mother. And two othe significations which is not directly related to relatives: 4.When any two planets are in angular houses to each other , the act as mutual karka to each other 5 A planet act as Karka to each house as SUN FOR lagna , JUPITER for second house and so on.This is a very important chapter in BPHS/ Our subject of discussion is char Karka. Ketu is not considered as char karka. There are either seven (Sun to Saturn) or eight (Sun to Rahu) Char karka. The degrees of Rahu is always taken in consideration of Char Karkas after deducting from 30 degrees. I am fully aware the views of eminent savants weather we should adopt seven or eight Char Karka.I respect all these views , but can follow only one method. I consider as under: A. Eight char karka in the case of all Jivas - i.e who produce progeny BPHS clearly enumrates the name of all eight char karkas 1.Atma Karka - self -(1H and 8H) , 2 Amatya Karka - profession or status in life(10H) 3 , Bhartra karka - Elder and yonger co born and Guru ( 3H,11H and 9H) , 4. Matru Karka - Mother ( 4H) , 5. Pitra Karka (9H). 6 Putra karka - Progeny (5H) , 7 Gyati Karka -Cosins and enemy (6H) 8. Dara Karka - Spouse, Business partner (7Hand 2H) B. Seven Char Karka Scheme - Rahu is not considered , There is no Putra Karka which is merged in Matru Karka. This scheme is used for Mundane purposes. We can not sustain in life without our relations . These we get according to our past Karma . As such we may try to bear with the effects given by a planet as charkarka as these effects can not change. Regards,G.K.GOEL Catch the changing security environment Get it now.

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Dear Chiranjiv Mehta ji,We cannot say that AK is not considered in predictions? Not only AK, all char karakas serve as important tools for prediction. Karakamsha is an important cnsideration which is bsed on AKs Navamsha. In Char dasha analysis, AK is the main point of consideration.

I agree we do not have much discussions on it in the group, but without considering all facets of a planet, specially if it is dasha lord, predictions are not possible. RegardsNeelam

On 20 April 2010 16:59, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

I wanted to know :

 

Atmakaraka has been specifically named as the planet whic signifies the main aim on the life of a person. It is planet with most degrees.

It is the first in importance amongst Atmayakaraka, Bhatrukaraka and Matrukaraka.

The only discussions available at first glance are for and against arguments for the inclusion of Ra/Ketu as Atmakaraka, how to calculate AK etc.

Now if 1 amongst 7 main planets is given this position are we neglecting this special rank by not considering it in predictions ? 

Awaiting your views and replies.

 

Thanks & Regards

Chiranjiv Mehta

[Guest guest]

The chara dasa of the karakamsa is supposed to be difficult. In what respect is

this difficult? If there are Jaimini yogas from karakamsa will they suffer or

blossom in the dasa of karakamsa?

 

What about the dasa of the atmakaraka rasi? What has your experience been?

 

--Radha

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends, In Vimsottari dasa system , The dasa of planet which represent Atmakarka , generally does not yield to good results. This is for obvious reasons because , Atma Karka are generally in last degrees of the sign.In Chardasa , If AK and ATMK are in yoga , their chardasa willgive yoga results.G. K. Goel

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The chara dasa of the karakamsa is supposed to be difficult. In what respect is this difficult? If there are Jaimini yogas from karakamsa will they suffer or blossom in the dasa of karakamsa?

 

What about the dasa of the atmakaraka rasi? What has your experience been?

 

--Radha

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Goelji. My experience tells me the same thing. In what respect is the

dasa of atmakaraka qua atmakaraka bad? With regard to health? Personal life?

Or is this simply not true? What about the dasa of karakamsa?

 

--Radha

 

, gopal krishna goel

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