Lagan Sarani - Final Response to Iqbal

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Dear Iqbal,

 

I have already stated what I wanted to say about this topic in my previous

EMail. Rather than going into long and endless debate about Lagan Sarini (LS) ,

let me state for the absolute last time: I will use Pt Rup Chand Joshi's lagan

sarini for all the " foreign borns " that come my way. I don't care whether the

lagna is of Allahabad or Amsterdam . Whether the ayamsa is Lahiri's or Raman's,

I could care less. Those who say that this was used for correcting horoscopes,

or for making " India born " horoscopes for " durusti " are grossly misinformed.

They need to read the first two pages of the LS (which describe its purpose)

before they go all out bashing it. Of course, they will still bash it (I don't

make predictions, but in this case I will.) These are the same people who will

justify anything via their convoluted logic. We all know how the race was on

(ref Mr. Sharma's document) to prove that for Ketu 10, it makes sense to

provide charity to the blind. I bet they can now

prove that it should have been " children " and not " blind. " They will use " ten

ways from Sunday " to do so. I can read Urdu and I saw it right away and shared

a hearty laugh with some fellow members. Was amusing stuff and the " show "

continues to go on and on ad nauseam.

 

As far as LS is concerned, there is nothing to " uncover " or investigate the

" reality behind the issue.. " There are no " lies " , no " commercial gains " to be

made (as crudely alleged in your previous Email.) Iqbal, what is it that you

don't understand about my previous Email? It was very simple and

straight-forward. Where did I " implicitly suggest " that it is " .....mandatory to

use this approach... " Please, for a change, be rational and don't twist the

facts. Did I say or imply that everyone must use it or else they are wrong? If

you see it that way, then I see a huge problem in your reading comprehension.

What " truth " are you trying to " uncover " ? What I am saying is simple, very

simple and very clear. Don't like it? Discard it. Like it? Continue with it. I

personally, will continue to use it ALWAYS, that's MY choice. Even a

pre-schooler will understand this very easily. Where do you see any " cover-up "

in this? I am not " misleading " anyone via my approach - and, I find

that sentence of yours to be border-line obnoxious. Really.

 

Let me repeat a history lesson for you: The development of LalKitab did NOT

stop post the last publication (the 1952 volume.) Pt Jee was active till his

last day and he kept on adding to and modifying the LK system. LS and the

associated approach came much later (in the mid 70's) About a hundred copies

were printed for private circulation (Was NOT " published " ). Only those who

visited Pt jee know about it. Why do I have to prove that to you or to anyone

else whether this is published or un-published material and where is the

reference to this in Lal Kitab? Do I have to have a license to work with

" unpublished material " that I was lucky to have? ( I am not the only one to have

it, there are at least five people in our forum who have it.) Even if LS didn't

work for you, it is not wrong and is extremely useful for those people for whom

it works. Let me give you an example to make it easy for you to understand --

Why couldn't the doctors diagnose your medical issues despite

all the advanced instrumentation and tests at their disposal? (I am not going

into ANY details, mind you.) DID YOU CALL THE FDA AND REQUESTED/RECOMMENDED THEM

TO PROHIBIT THE USE OF THOSE DIAGNOSTIC INSTRUMENTS OR TESTS BECAUSE THEY COULD

NOT PINPOINT YOUR PROBLEM? Have the doctors stopped performing those tests on

other patients with similar symptoms simply because they couldn't diagnose your

problem? Are you trying to " uncover the truth " there also? Iqbal, please be

realistic. We are dealing with astrology in which sometimes 2 x 2 is 3,

sometimes 5 and not necessarily four. And kindly don't twist the words and add

your own imaginary meaning to very simple statements that I made in my earlier

Email.

 

This is absolutely the last response from me to you on this particular topic.

Move on with your life. Your " obsession " about " truth " on this topic is highly

misplaced and misguided. There is no lie and there is no commercial windfall for

anyone here. I have shared the technique openly and very clearly. You can ignore

it, as it doesn't work for you. But I am free to continue to use it at will. I

don't need anyone's permission or approval or goodwill to use this. What I do

with LS should be least of your problems. I hope these simple sentences are

understood. Enough said.

 

Good day.

 

Rajinder Bhatia

 

I <punjabilovebug wrote:

Dear Rajinder Bhai,

 

I am not obsessed with this issue - I am obssessed with uncovering the truth or

reality behind this issue. Nobody minds your own methodology or technique that

you prescribe to when practicing Lal Kitab, but to implicitly suggest this is a

mandatory approach in order to achieve the full benefits of LK is misleading and

something which I don't think you are trying to voice.

 

Yes there are discrepancies in the Sarini approach and in previous postings you

have listed how Pandit Ji used this as exceptions. Why then the need to cast a

chart like this 100% of the time? The logic doesn't extend from your previous

comments and the ones aforementioned in your recent post. I agree " to each his

own " but also let us not lead people down a stray path without some bootstraps

around helping them understand why and when certain techniques should be used.

 

As you have clearly stated Pandit Ji spent years formulating that Rahu-Ketu can

be in different houses I agree. But Bhatia Ji the logic also would extend to

signifiying that these findings Pandit Ji included in the Lal Kitab. They did

not include Lagna Sarini in any of the volumes. If they have included it can you

please provide the volume and page number references? They, to the best of my

limited self-knowledge, also not made any comments in passing about Lagna Sarini

throughout all volumes of Lal Kitab or the Gutka itself either. Can you please

either confirm or dispel this as you are more senior than me?

 

You are indeed correct that I haven't had full satisfaction with this Lagna

Sarini approach - I would offer that I have had NO satisfaction or benefits of

this approach. This was also validated by you when you kindly took a look at my

horoscope to help me understand certain events taking place. You also agreed

that the kundali " bol nayee raya " according to this technique. Subsequently and

only after initiating upayes against my foreign-birth varshphal have I had

promising successes with improving certain areas of my own life. I am pleased to

see you have confirmed that this Lagna Sarini approach did not work for my

foreign birth and thus is a fallible methodology.

 

Bhatia Ji there was nothing ill-intended in my previous posting against you, I

believe you would confirm this. Rather, I was defending you in my posting as you

will see from the comments around our agreement on terms for you to analyze my

horoscope. I highlighted my experiences with the only other people I know of who

prescribe to this Sarini approach and the haphazard results which followed.

However the tone of my posting was both cordial, matter-of-factly and most

importantly, laser-sighted on providing the truth of my own experiences and this

is why I was surprised it was published.

 

I don't have any personal differences with you, nor you with I, I would argue.

We have a cordial relationship predicated on our mutual enthusiasm for Lal

Kitab. However, I do not follow your approaches towards Sarini nor do I have as

esteemed views on Pandit Som Dutt Ji's methodologies which I have personally

experienced. ..... We are both gentlemen and in our interactions I don't think

either of us would suggest otherwise about the other, not now nor in the future.

 

I would like to sum that I am not emotional about the conflicting views on this

particular topic, but rather emotional about why no esteemed members, yourself

included as a senior moderator of this forum want to share examples of where

this Sarini approach was used successfully and for rectification of what kind of

problem etc - This is the spirit of this forum and to date, nobody has gone on

record with showing where this approach has succeeded, as you claim in 90% of

the cases you work on. I have shared my own case where it failed, why not share

a case or two where you feel they have succeeded bhai?

 

As far as Zamanat is concerned I am poor in comparison to you I am sure -

However, all I can offer as collateral is my integrity and dedicated desire to

uncover the truths of Lal Kitab. Would you be willing to accept these humble

offerings?

 

Best Regards,

Aap Ka Shota Bhai

 

Iqbal

 

 

 

 

Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:

 

Dear Iqbal,

 

Dr. Upadhyay (a.k.a. Bhooshanpriya jee) has presented his views on this topic.

Logically and mathematically, there is no doubt about the accuracy of his

argument. Vipin jee (a.k.a. Lalkitabee) also expressed very similar sentiments

to me in a recent private Email. I have got to say this: those who don't like

the lagan sarini approach, should discard it (trash it, junk it, burn it -

whatever suits them) and continue on with the rest of their lives. Not using it

is not illegal and using it is not immoral. You seem to be particularly obsessed

about this particular topic. All I have to say is that I have made literally

hundreds of horoscopes based on this approach and I am more than satisfied with

it. In the future also, I will continue to use it when I have a " foreign birth "

case. That is my declared and firm policy and belief. People are free to use

whichever approach suits them. To each his own!!

 

I exactly know why there are perceived discrepancies in the lagna sarini - yet I

don't need to defend it - all I have to say is that my success rate with this is

more than 90%.

 

I will make one statement here and please, all readers, read it logically:

Every LalKitab user agrees that Rahu and Ketu can be even one house apart and

Sun and Venus can be seven houses apart (very unscientific and un-Vedic logic.

RIGHT?) Then why can't Lagna Sarini be based on seemingly strange principles?

After all, the same Pt Rup Chand jee developed this lagna sarini who gave us

such an un-vedic and un-scientific

un-refined, crude and strange logic of Rahu-Ketu as (possibly) being in the same

house. He spent years of hard work to formulate and tweak the sarini. Why are we

using double standards here? Discard the blessed LalKitab too as unscientific

and throw it away. Where is the scientific reason for accepting that silly

principle of Rahu - Ketu, and Sun, Venus, Mercury however many houses apart? Why

not forget about the whole entire LalKitab as un-scientific and un-refined mumbo

jumbo?

 

Seriously, there are times when a horoscope doesn't " reveal " itself. Those kinds

of exceptions are always there; I run into this situation every once in a while

whether it is an " India born " or a " foreign born " case. I know that you haven't

had full satisfaction either with LalKitab approach, or with LK Lagna Sarini

approach or (perhaps) with Vedic approach. I am morally obligated not to discuss

your horoscope or situation here in a public forum. I expected the same from

you. The reason I did not forward your previous Email is because you wrote

things in that Email which were discussed strictly between you and I and I feel

that it was a private matter between two gentlemen which should have had no

place in a public forum. Other readers, please note that there is/was no

conflict or misunderstanding between myself and Iqbal. Don't you agree with me

on this, Iqbal?

 

Please refrain from using words like " zamant " and " ...collusion taking place for

commercial purposes... " etc. Please don't get too emotional and too charged up

about it and take it easy. It was I who told you that the Lagna sarini approach

didn't work for you, and that it is useless as far as you are concerned. But it

does work for many folks. Kindly move on with your life.

 

Let me end my Email with a light-hearted dig - How much " zamanat " are you

willing to pay?As everyone knows now, thanks to a well-wisher or two, I can be

bought, if the price is right.

 

My best wishes to you.

 

Rajinder Bhatia

 

ebug wrote:

This is great Bhooshan Ji- Even from a vedic approach this method has been

proven fallible. I appreciate the effort with which you have shown your logical

and umemotional methodology.

 

Why are so many senior members of the forum mum on this topic? Some of you have

claimed you have even used this approach ... Come forward and share your

successes with it ...

 

I have submitted 3 postings in both forums all of which have not been posted

because of the censorship on truth and straightforwardness that apparently the

Forum moderators are married to.

 

Punit Ji, Shukla Ji - Why are you feeling threatened by the truth and not

posting my messages as they were in accordance with all forum rules which you

have published and cited?

 

Is there a collusion taking place for commercial purposes? If not - then publish

my posts or explain why they have been " held " and I will provide the Zamanat to

release them ...

 

Best Regards,

Iqbal

 

 

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