Lagan Sarni- Attention Nirmal Ji and Respected Yograj Bhai

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Respected Nirmal Bhai,

 

 

Please ensure such a reckoner holds true for foreign births. The current version

of your XL spreadsheet model gives incorrect natal charts for foreign births. I

appreciate your willingness to help with this issue.

 

 

However I would suggest that this forum is the location to have these

discussions not one off meetings in Ambala. I have gone through over 35 postings

relating to this topic and there are no practical examples with the remedies

prescribed that worked.

 

 

Why not? Why are senior members so quiet on this topic of evidence - come

forward and share your experiences or let's do a poll of who actually uses this

system approach of Lagna Sarini daily when prescribing remedies.

 

 

Yograj Bhai - As a scholar of LK and notable author of repute do you use lagna

sarini practically 100% of the time and if so please share with us some

practical examples of success for foreign births.

 

 

Best Regards,

Iqbal

 

 

 

Sent via Blackberry

 

 

NKB <nirbhar

 

Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:25:17

To:lalkitab ,

Re: [lalkitab] Re: Lagan Sarni- Attention Nirmal Ji

 

 

Dear Shukla Ji & Miglani Ji,

It is a bigger subject and cannot be discussed in mails and is not the topic

of LalKitab. We may discuss whenever I happens to be in Ambala.

Shukla Ji is great astronomer apart from his profficiency in Astrology

too and does not require any book, but for members like me I

reccomend the book 'Table of Ascendent " written by non

other than Mr. NC Lahiri, Ganitacharya & Ganita

Kalanidhi, A noted astronomer, whose invented aayaansha is being used

officially by Govt. Of India and almost all the panchangs are being

prepared on this ayaansha.

All the doubts regarding preparartion of Ascendent for any place in

the world will surely be removed with the help of this book.

Regarding Latitudinal corrections , it is a matter of seconds to calculate

the corrections with the help of 'Table of

Ascendents'. As far as remember, yearly ephemeris, published by

Lahiri, also gives the method of calculation latitudinal corrections

For ease of the other

members,I am preparing ready reckoner for latitudinal corrections

based upon this book

and will upload

shortly. This correction is near to accurate and the variation will be

in minutes which does not make any difference as far as LalKitab is

concerned.

 

Regards

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 10/8/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani wrote:

>

> Dear Sirs,

>

> Pt Lalkitabee ji has raised a very crucial issue, which needs to be

> answered by any one who is using the so called Lal Kitab Lagna

> sarini.

>

> As he has rightly pointed out that the Longitude can be corrected

> through the time difference, but how would one incorporate the

> Latitude difference?

>

> Any one familiar with Jyotish ganit knows that the Latitude

> correction can not be carried out unless one is familiar with the

> concept of `Palabha' , how to calculate it, and then how to apply

> the calculated `Palabha' result to the Latitude on which the Sarini

> has been drawn.

>

> Expecting an answer from those who claim that they have been using

> the Lal Kitab Sarini.

>

> Respectfully,

>

> KP Miglani

>

> lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, " lalkitabee "

> <lalkitabee wrote:

> >

> > Respected Nirmal Bhardwaj JI

> > Main aapki ek mail main lagan sarani se sambandhit mail ko padh

> raha

> > thaa. Aapne Surya siddhant ka jikra bhi kiya hai. To main yah

> spasht

> > karnaa chahoonga ki Lagn vagairah nikalne ke liye hee surya

> siddhant

> > aur Grah Laghav jaise anmol granthon ka istemaal kiyaa jaataa hai.

> > Palbhaa ke aadhaar par Velantar ka shodhan kartey hue Sayan Surya

> > nikaaltey hue usmain se ayanansh ko ghataa kar Nirayan lagan praapt

> > kee jaatee hai. Is main palabha,lankodayaman, ayanansha vagairah

> ka

> > janana

> > zaroori hota hai.

> > Saayan Surya har saal 22 december ko Makar raashi par

> > pahunchataa hai, lekin nirayan surya ko

> >

> > hum maantey hain ki 14 janvari ko makar main pahunchtaa hai. goyaa

> > makar sankraanti hum 14

> >

> > janvari ko maantey hain.

> > saraniyaan Panchangkaar (Experts of Mathematical Astrology) hee

> > banaatey hain. Aur yah

> >

> > biraadari (Breed) hee jyotish ke ilaakey kee ek alag hee breed hai

> jo

> > ki isi kaam ke liye expert hoti hai.

> > Jaisaa ki aap ne kahaa hai ki :-Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In

> > India) be used to calculate for foreign

> >

> > Birth.?

> > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time difference,

> > use of Latitude and Longitude in

> >

> > the calculation of Ascendant.

> >

> > But Nirmal ji my views are totally different with you.

> > My answer is NO , never.

> > Kyonki lagan saarani jis bhee Latitude aur Longitude kee

> > buniyaad par banee hoti hai ,vah vahaan

> >

> > ya vahaan ke aaspaas ke ilaakey main paidaa huye insaan ke liye

> > istemaal kee jaa sakti hai kisi aur

> >

> > jagah ke liye nahi. Maslan agar saarani Varanasi kee buniyaad par

> > banee ho to Delhi ke liye istemaal

> >

> > nahee kee jaa saktee .Aur isi tarah Delhi kee buniyaad par banee

> > huyee saarani ko Amritsar main

> >

> > paidashuda insaano ke liye istemaal nahi kiyaa ja saktaa.

> >

> > Kisi khaas akshaansh aur deshantar (Latitude aur Longitude) ki

> > buniyaad hone ke kaaran banee huyee

> > koyee ek saarani kabhee poorey ek desh par bhi lagoo nahi ki ja

> > sakti, videsh to bahut door ki baat

> >

> > hai.

> > Time defference work out kiyaa ja saktaa hai.Lekin akshansh

> > (Latitude) ka antar nikaalanaa

> >

> > mushkil hai. Amooman panchaang banaaney waley hee kar saktey hain.

> > Aam jyotishi nahi.Isiliye India

> >

> > ke kisi bhee jagah kee buniyaad par bani huyee saarani videsh main

> > paidaa hone waley insaan par

> >

> > lagoo nahi ho sakti.

> > latitude ek ho to longitude ke antar ka fark karke motey taur par

> > (Sthool roop main) lagan nikaali ja

> >

> > sakti hai,lekin agar latitude South ya north chala gayaa to binaa

> > kisi bhi hisaab (mathemaics) ke lagan

> >

> > nahi nikaali ja sakti. Chaahey ek nahi 100 lagan saaraniyaan bagal

> > main rakh lee jaayain. This work

> >

> > can be only done by PANCHAANGKAARS.

> > As u say :--good knowledge of time difference, use of Latitude

> > and Longitude in the calculation of

> >

> > Ascendant.

> > Meraa jawaab hai ki Longitude ka shodhan (Correction) samay ke liye

> > kiyaa jaataa hai. Agar hum

> >

> > deshantar ka correction pandit ji ke dwara use kee gayee saarani

> kee

> > buniyaad par kar bhee lain ,to

> >

> > janm us latitude ka gin liyaa jayegaa jis par yah saarani bani

> huyee

> > hai.

> > Maslan hum Delhi par banee huywee saarani lain aur America ka

> > Longitude 85:00 West le lain to

> >

> > janm ka Longitude to vahi hogaa lekin lagan to Delhi ke latitude

> 28 N

> > 39 par hee nikalegi .Ab yahaan se US

> >

> > Canada, England aadi mulk jo ki 50 North latitude ke aaspaas hain,

> > unke liye hamain saarani main

> >

> > kyaa correction karnaa hogaa, yah baat Nirmal Ji ya to aap bataa

> dain

> > ya fir koyee aur. Rahee baat use

> >

> > karne ki to yah apnaa personal shauk ya vichar ho saktaa hai.

> > Ap ne abhi claim kiya ki ap bina sarini ya ephemeris ke lagna

> > nikalana jante hain to kripaya batayen ki –

> >

> > Lankodaya maan kya hai aur kaise nikala jata hai?

> > Palabha kya hai aur kaise nikali jati hai?

> > Ayanansh nikalne ka formula kya hai jo soorya siddhant mein diya

> hai?

> > Kya-kya steps hote hain lagna nikalne ke?

> > Aapke claim ko agar hum sweekaar kar lain to yah baat jahir hotee

> > hai ki aap Surya siddhant aur Varahmihir ke Ganit se vaaqif hain.

> > Agar aisa hai to yakeenan aap yah bhi jaantey hongey ki scale,

> > compass aur pencil ka hee istemaal kartey huye 65 degree ka angle

> > kaise banayaa ja saktaa hai aur aap to Nirmal ji, Civil Eng. bhee

> > hain mujhse adhik gyaan degree aur angles ka hogaa.Agar aap yah

> > banaa sakain to saarani ke

> >

> > mudde par apni raay ko aage jaaree rakhain, agar nahi to is muddey

> > par aapkaa kuchh bhi bolnaa

> >

> > munasib nahi hai.Kyonki inhi angles aur degree ki knowledge ki

> > buniyaad par hee Shree Ram ,Krishan aur Guru Nanak ji ke tevey bhee

> > hamaarey bujurgon ne tayyar kiye they bakaydaa lagan nikaltey huye.

> >

> >

> >

> > Aapka Shubhchintak

> > Pt. Lalkitabee

> > www.lalkitabee.com

> > Mb.9812020001

> > nts <nts%40>, NKB <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Iqbal Ji,

> > > I read your posting in other group that you put some mails in

> this

> > group and

> > > is rejected by moderators. As far as I remember group has not

> > received any

> > > mail from you in this connection. Regarding moderation of mails,

> > yes all the

> > > mails are being moderated. I have not seen any of the three main

> > groups of

> > > Lalkitab in which mails are not being moderated. I

> > > term it as a good practice. This type of censorship is bound to

> > happen when

> > > vested interests with personal odd relationships amongst few

> > astrologers

> > > start using these platforms to score out their grudge by posting

> > their words

> > > against each other (Zahira or Poshida).

> > > Dear Iqbal Ji, 'Keenha, Lust,jalan, rashk' are the signs of Paapi

> > planets.

> > > If we cannot remove these effects from ourselves, what the hell

> we,

> > so

> > > called Lalkitab Premees/devotees/students, will be doing to sort

> > out the

> > > problems of others.

> > > E-groups platforms are modern available resources which can be

> used

> > to

> > > create a new generation of astrologers, whose thinking is more

> > advanced with

> > > respect to present and coming scenarios. It is the best way to

> > communicate

> > > globally. This sort of Censorship is required to keep these

> > unscrupulous

> > > persons at bay. I request the members to bear this censorship.

> > > I read the mails of Regarding Lagan Sarni in other groups. I

> don't

> > know why

> > > this hue and cry is being made about this. A astrologer who is

> well

> > versed

> > > with the principals of astronomy will certainly be knowing that

> > what and how

> > > to use these lagan Sarnis even if these are centuries old. One

> can

> > create

> > > the kundli of today even with the lagan Sarni is thousands years

> > old. Many

> > > Astrologers have created the kundlis of Lord Rama/ Krishan/ Nanak

> > Ji without

> > > using these sarnis. How our ancestors create Tevas when there are

> > no meaning

> > > of printing.

> > > Who created these sarnis? These are the the persons from our

> > community who

> > > use their calculation and presentation capability and present the

> > more easy

> > > shortcuts for astrologers. How the Computer softwares made, this

> is

> > because

> > > of these inteligent brains who give guidance to the software

> > engineers.

> > > Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In India) be used to calculate for

> > foreign

> > > Birth.?

> > > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time

> difference,

> > use of

> > > Latitude and Longitude in the calculation of Ascendant.

> > > Respected Bhatia Ji told us that Pandit Ji used Madras Lagan

> Sarini

> > for

> > > Foreign Birth. He himself used this Sarini for calculation of

> > Ascendent for

> > > foreign birth. How one can say that this method is wrong without

> > knowing

> > > that How Pandit Ji/Bhatia Ji used this sarini and for which

> country

> > and what

> > > sort of correction is applied. Pandit Bhushan Priya, A noted

> > internet vedic

> > > and Lalkitab Astrologer explained this in detail and even pointed

> > out that

> > > this sarini was made of different Ayaansha (For general

> information

> > the

> > > different Ayaansha is followed in south astrologers than by

> north)

> > > Do we think that he cannot do reverse engineering and calculate

> the

> > > Ascendent of today or even 100 years back with that very sarini.

> In

> > > astrology, this is a beginners' lesson. I remember that when we

> > used to

> > > study in the institute under the guidance of Worthy Dr. Amar

> > Aggarwal , we

> > > were taught to do the calculation of ascendant even without the

> > help of

> > > Panchangs/lagan Sarni/Ephemeris.

> > > Do we think he cannot make the kundli of a foreign birth native

> > from this

> > > very sarini? Anybody who knows the basics of astronomy and Surya

> > Sidhant can

> > > calculate the ascendant of any native from any part of the world

> > from any

> > > lagan Sarni of any given place of a particular Time.

> > > Do these critics know that Pandit ji or Bhatia Ji applied/not

> > applied the

> > > necessary correction for the city with respect to Longitude and

> > Latitude of

> > > the City.

> > > This is matter of of detailed discussion, I hope other may

> through

> > more

> > > light on it. I will try to put detailed method of calculating

> > ascendent. It

> > > may take time as presently i am very busy with many pther

> projects.

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > >

> >

>

>

>