Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Dear Finn, As I have mentioned in the past, the last published material came from Pt Rup Chand Jee in 1952. He lived for another thirty (30) years after that. He continued to think, research, and experiment with LalKitab methodology. In this timeframe, he developed numerous new " methods " in LalKitab system. Unfortunately, I don't know much about how they work. There is not even a hint of any of these methods in any of the previously published material. Pt jee belonged to district Jalandhar which perhaps had the highest number of people going abroad (UK, Canada, Australia etc.) just around the early 1950's and 1960's. Many of these immigrants, whenever came to visit India, would visit Pt Jee for advice etc. He started noticing that horoscopes made by the usual Vedic principles weren't yielding satisfactory results (when analyzed using Lal Kitab principles.) He'd have to apply major adjustments or modifications to the position of the ascendant in order to get desired results. In the late sixties/early 70's, he started experimenting with this and got a Lagan Sarani made from the astrologers of " Pt Devi Dayal's Mufeed Alam Jantari " , a respected almanac maker of Punjab. Actually Pt jee always used Pt Devi Dayal's almanac himself and this is mentioned in many editions of the published Lal Kitab. Using the new Lagan Sarini (LS) for " foreign births " , which was basically prepared using Madras as the reference point, he still saw many problems and he made numerous adjustments and tweaks to this LS. When he became satsfied, he got about a hundred copies printed in the format of a booklet. True to his tradition, he didn't give his name - he didn't even " publish " this booklet. He just gave this away to whomever he thought worthy of it, as had always been his style. So this is the background and this should be clear as to why this method is not mentioned in any of the published Lal Kitabs and why this does not correspond to Madras or wherever (I got some of this information very recently from his family.) He also did not mention LalKitab at all anywhere in this booklet - nobody knows the reason behind this and I can't comment on it. During my long conversation with him in 1982, I expressed my uneasiness over this reckoner. He said that he was aware of the basic laws being violated but " Lal Kitab system will work for foreign births with this LS. " So I have taken his word for it. I agree with your statement 200% that this is a very unorthodox approach (perhaps unscientific.) But people with intuition and special vision can see way beyond mathematical formulae and what us ordinary mortal beings are capable of seeing. Pt Jee certainly was no ordinary mortal being. He prepared numerous horoscopes using this method and this LS including those of my children, nephews and nieces who were born in the US. As I have mentioned before, he predicted even before I even had any children that they will all have their Jupiter in the eighth house. When he prepared their horoscopes, using the LS, their Jupiter turned out to be in the 8th. (Using Vedic, it wouldn't.) Basically, all I have to say is that if you like it, use it. If you don't like it, feel free to discard it. I have no ulterior motives here - there is nothing to gain, nothing to hide. I am not at all well versed in the intricacies of the theory of ascendant. Therefore, I can't discuss this topic on mathematical/astronomical grounds. I have been using this LS since about 1980 and it has worked extremely well for me. I still have to verify the ascendant and have had to " adjust " the ascendant at times to correspond to the actual prevailing conditions of the native. There are some other people that I know of, who use this LS but most of them are not on the 'net. Finn, I do take strong exception to a couple of your statements. Pt Jee never showed any " arrogance " towards any culture or religion - western or eastern. This statement from you is uncalled for. He was a secularist, humble and a straight-forward person, yet very well informed. He never discriminated against anyone ever. People from all religions visited him and he showed the same concern for everyone. Also, please don't think that he had gone senile towards the end (that is what you are implying.) He was as sharp as a tack even two weeks before his departure. He had become frail in body but mentally, he was extremely alert and sharp. Even two weeks before his death, he was making changes to his yet-to-be-published Lal Kitab and other related material (his family is holding on to all this.) He did not need any certificate or endorsement from anyone, westerns or whoever. These statements fromyou are unnecessary. Please refrain from that. You don't know about him at all and without knowing for sure, such imaginary statements do no good to anyone. I wish you well. Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatia ========================================================= wandahl wrote: Dear Rajinder Bhatia, If the late Pandit Roop Chand Joshi was so sure about the idea that the Ascendants of all foreign people should should be calculated as if their birthplace was somewhere in India, why didn't he write anything about this in Lal Kitab? Assuming for a moment this theory to be right, then surely, such a fundamentally unortodox procedure would have been relevant to mention in at least one of the five Lal Kitab books? I mean, imagine if this was merely some weird idea which Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was playing with as an experiment for a short period or when he was too old and nothing more than that. What if this is something that he would never promote in public, simply because he was not sure of it? After all, from his writings Pt. Roop Chand Joshi doesn't strike me to be any expert in western life-style and culture. Who knows, perhaps he realized that, and kept these weird ideas for himself. I think it is doubtful that Pt. Roop Chand Joshi would ever display such an arrogance towards western culture, western people and towards all other astrological traditions? From his books he seems like a good and humble man. I think it is important to respect the textbooks and the great astrologers of the past like Pt. Roop Chand Joshi. No doubt we are standing on their shoulders. However we should not become too religious about following their ideas to the very minute in our fanaticism. Then we would loose our own powers of discrimination and get lost in the woods of astrological knowledge. So respect is a good thing, but too much respect is not very useful. Surely we astrologers should always keep a critical mind, good judgement and be honest in our research, at least towards ourselves. Yours friendly, Finn Wandahl Recent Activity 6 New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Need traffic? Drive customers With search ads on Fashion Groups on A great place to connect and share. . Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Dear Rajinder, Thank you for the explanation which is first hand since you had the good fortune of meeting the late Pandit Roop Chand Joshi in person. I agree with you that any statement of Pt. Roop Chand Joshi being arrogant is uncalled for. I, however, never said any such thing. Actually I said it is doubtful that he would ever display such an arrogance. I even continued that from his books he seemed like a good and humble person. So please understand me right. In your last mail you wrote the following. I quote: >>He said that he was aware of the basic laws being violated but<< This is exactly my point! The very idea of calculating the Ascendant this way seems contrary to the tradition of Hindu astrology formed by sages of yore, and it somehow seems out of context with the published writings and his personality as shown in his writings that a man like that would actually take such a step >>I agree with your statement 200% that this is a very unorthodox approach (perhaps unscientific.)<< Sure, but it seems only natural that such an unorthodox approach could give rise to objections among many astrologers. Even more so when it appears without proper explanation and logical arguments from the man who made it. >>Even two weeks before his death, he was making changes to his yet-to-be-published Lal Kitab and other related material (his family is holding on to all this.)<< It is highly interesting that Pt. Roop Chand Joshi was writing on a continuation of Lal Kitab. Do you know why his family is holding on to this book? Are they astrologers themselves and using Lal Kitab? Or is it because they consider it like a kind of family-secrets to be preserved inside the family as their Parampara, which is the tradition with a number of Bhrigu Sastris and their families? Or do you know if there could be some other reason for this? I most certainly also wish you well :-) Yours friendly, Finn lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote: > > Dear Finn, > As I have mentioned in the past, the last published material came from Pt Rup Chand Jee in 1952. He lived for another thirty (30) years after that. He continued to think, research, and experiment with LalKitab methodology. In this timeframe, he developed numerous new " methods " in LalKitab system. Unfortunately, I don't know much about how they work. There is not even a hint of any of these methods in any of the previously published material. > > Pt jee belonged to district Jalandhar which perhaps had the highest number of people going abroad (UK, Canada, Australia etc.) just around the early 1950's and 1960's. Many of these immigrants, whenever came to visit India, would visit Pt Jee for advice etc. He started noticing that horoscopes made by the usual Vedic principles weren't yielding satisfactory results (when analyzed using Lal Kitab principles.) He'd have to apply major adjustments or modifications to the position of the ascendant in order to get desired results. In the late sixties/early 70's, he started experimenting with this and got a Lagan Sarani made from the astrologers of " Pt Devi Dayal's Mufeed Alam Jantari " , a respected almanac maker of Punjab. Actually Pt jee always used Pt Devi Dayal's almanac himself and this is mentioned in many editions of the published Lal Kitab. Using the new Lagan Sarini (LS) for " foreign births " , which was basically prepared using Madras as the reference point, he still > saw many problems and he made numerous adjustments and tweaks to this LS. When he became satsfied, he got about a hundred copies printed in the format of a booklet. True to his tradition, he didn't give his name - he didn't even " publish " this booklet. He just gave this away to whomever he thought worthy of it, as had always been his style. So this is the background and this should be clear as to why this method is not mentioned in any of the published Lal Kitabs and why this does not correspond to Madras or wherever (I got some of this information very recently from his family.) He also did not mention LalKitab at all anywhere in this booklet - nobody knows the reason behind this and I can't comment on it. > > During my long conversation with him in 1982, I expressed my uneasiness over this reckoner. He said that he was aware of the basic laws being violated but " Lal Kitab system will work for foreign births with this LS. " So I have taken his word for it. I agree with your statement 200% that this is a very unorthodox approach (perhaps unscientific.) But people with intuition and special vision can see way beyond mathematical formulae and what us ordinary mortal beings are capable of seeing. Pt Jee certainly was no ordinary mortal being. > > He prepared numerous horoscopes using this method and this LS including those of my children, nephews and nieces who were born in the US. As I have mentioned before, he predicted even before I even had any children that they will all have their Jupiter in the eighth house. When he prepared their horoscopes, using the LS, their Jupiter turned out to be in the 8th. (Using Vedic, it wouldn't.) Basically, all I have to say is that if you like it, use it. If you don't like it, feel free to discard it. I have no ulterior motives here - there is nothing to gain, nothing to hide. I am not at all well versed in the intricacies of the theory of ascendant. Therefore, I can't discuss this topic on mathematical/astronomical grounds. I have been using this LS since about 1980 and it has worked extremely well for me. I still have to verify the ascendant and have had to " adjust " the ascendant at times to correspond to the actual prevailing conditions of the native. There are some other > people that I know of, who use this LS but most of them are not on the 'net. > > Finn, I do take strong exception to a couple of your statements. Pt Jee never showed any " arrogance " towards any culture or religion - western or eastern. This statement from you is uncalled for. He was a secularist, humble and a straight-forward person, yet very well informed. He never discriminated against anyone ever. People from all religions visited him and he showed the same concern for everyone. Also, please don't think that he had gone senile towards the end (that is what you are implying.) He was as sharp as a tack even two weeks before his departure. He had become frail in body but mentally, he was extremely alert and sharp. Even two weeks before his death, he was making changes to his yet-to-be-published Lal Kitab and other related material (his family is holding on to all this.) He did not need any certificate or endorsement from anyone, westerns or whoever. These statements fromyou are unnecessary. Please refrain from that. You don't know about him at all > and without knowing for sure, such imaginary statements do no good to anyone. > > I wish you well. > > Respectfully, > Rajinder Bhatia > ========================================================= > wandahl wrote: > Dear Rajinder Bhatia, > > If the late Pandit Roop Chand Joshi was so sure about the idea that > the Ascendants of all foreign people should should be calculated as if > their birthplace was somewhere in India, why didn't he write anything > about this in Lal Kitab? > > Assuming for a moment this theory to be right, then surely, such a > fundamentally unortodox procedure would have been relevant to mention > in at least one of the five Lal Kitab books? > > I mean, imagine if this was merely some weird idea which Pt. Roop > Chand Joshi was playing with as an experiment for a short period or > when he was too old and nothing more than that. What if this is > something that he would never promote in public, simply because he was > not sure of it? > > After all, from his writings Pt. Roop Chand Joshi doesn't strike me to > be any expert in western life-style and culture. Who knows, perhaps he > realized that, and kept these weird ideas for himself. > > I think it is doubtful that Pt. Roop Chand Joshi would ever display > such an arrogance towards western culture, western people and towards > all other astrological traditions? From his books he seems like a good > and humble man. > > I think it is important to respect the textbooks and the great > astrologers of the past like Pt. Roop Chand Joshi. No doubt we are > standing on their shoulders. However we should not become too > religious about following their ideas to the very minute in our > fanaticism. Then we would loose our own powers of discrimination and > get lost in the woods of astrological knowledge. So respect is a good > thing, but too much respect is not very useful. > > Surely we astrologers should always keep a critical mind, good > judgement and be honest in our research, at least towards ourselves. > > Yours friendly, > Finn Wandahl > > > > Recent Activity > > 6 > New Members > > Visit Your Group > Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > > Need traffic? > Drive customers > With search ads > on > > Fashion Groups > on > A great place to > connect and share. > > > > . > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Dear Bhatia ji, The discussion on the Lagna Sarini used by Pt. Rupchandji should in no way be taken as a mark of disrespect to either Pandit ji or the Lal Kitab. As you have rightly said that every one is free to either discard it or use it. I agree with your view. Notwithstanding these two facts our effort is to evaluate the Sarini as an astrological tool; to find out whether the Sarini could be used for foreign births. This is purely an academic exercise. One of the contemporaries of Pt. Rupchand ji had mentioned that even Pandit ji used this sarini very rarely. You have quoted Pt. Rupchand ji himself accepting that this Sarini has violated basic laws " He said that he was aware of the basic laws being violated.. " . Therefore it becomes all the more important to find out as to how does the Sarini make up for the Laws violated? What could be the impact of these laws violated on the accuracy of the Sarini? What modifications, as compared to the Sarinis available at his time, Pandit ji had done in the Sarini he used? Just saying that Pandit ji had made certain modifications in then available Sarinis is not sufficient unless we know what these modifications were? I do not think the discussion would be over till the questions raised above are answered. Even if we stop this discussion, the next generation of Lal Kitab scholars might raise it again. Therefore we might as well be done with it. Any tool used is always under scrutiny leading to evolving a better, efficient,user friendly and more accurate tool. Therefore please do not take our inquisitiveness or the spirit of enquiry as any thing personally against the Lal Kitab or Pandit ji. Sincerely, KP Miglani lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote: > > Dear Finn, > As I have mentioned in the past, the last published material came from Pt Rup Chand Jee in 1952. He lived for another thirty (30) years after that. He continued to think, research, and experiment with LalKitab methodology. In this timeframe, he developed numerous new " methods " in LalKitab system. Unfortunately, I don't know much about how they work. There is not even a hint of any of these methods in any of the previously published material. > > Pt jee belonged to district Jalandhar which perhaps had the highest number of people going abroad (UK, Canada, Australia etc.) just around the early 1950's and 1960's. Many of these immigrants, whenever came to visit India, would visit Pt Jee for advice etc. He started noticing that horoscopes made by the usual Vedic principles weren't yielding satisfactory results (when analyzed using Lal Kitab principles.) He'd have to apply major adjustments or modifications to the position of the ascendant in order to get desired results. In the late sixties/early 70's, he started experimenting with this and got a Lagan Sarani made from the astrologers of " Pt Devi Dayal's Mufeed Alam Jantari " , a respected almanac maker of Punjab. Actually Pt jee always used Pt Devi Dayal's almanac himself and this is mentioned in many editions of the published Lal Kitab. Using the new Lagan Sarini (LS) for " foreign births " , which was basically prepared using Madras as the reference point, he still > saw many problems and he made numerous adjustments and tweaks to this LS. When he became satsfied, he got about a hundred copies printed in the format of a booklet. True to his tradition, he didn't give his name - he didn't even " publish " this booklet. He just gave this away to whomever he thought worthy of it, as had always been his style. So this is the background and this should be clear as to why this method is not mentioned in any of the published Lal Kitabs and why this does not correspond to Madras or wherever (I got some of this information very recently from his family.) He also did not mention LalKitab at all anywhere in this booklet - nobody knows the reason behind this and I can't comment on it. > > During my long conversation with him in 1982, I expressed my uneasiness over this reckoner. He said that he was aware of the basic laws being violated but " Lal Kitab system will work for foreign births with this LS. " So I have taken his word for it. I agree with your statement 200% that this is a very unorthodox approach (perhaps unscientific.) But people with intuition and special vision can see way beyond mathematical formulae and what us ordinary mortal beings are capable of seeing. Pt Jee certainly was no ordinary mortal being. > > He prepared numerous horoscopes using this method and this LS including those of my children, nephews and nieces who were born in the US. As I have mentioned before, he predicted even before I even had any children that they will all have their Jupiter in the eighth house. When he prepared their horoscopes, using the LS, their Jupiter turned out to be in the 8th. (Using Vedic, it wouldn't.) Basically, all I have to say is that if you like it, use it. If you don't like it, feel free to discard it. I have no ulterior motives here - there is nothing to gain, nothing to hide. I am not at all well versed in the intricacies of the theory of ascendant. Therefore, I can't discuss this topic on mathematical/astronomical grounds. I have been using this LS since about 1980 and it has worked extremely well for me. I still have to verify the ascendant and have had to " adjust " the ascendant at times to correspond to the actual prevailing conditions of the native. There are some other > people that I know of, who use this LS but most of them are not on the 'net. > > Finn, I do take strong exception to a couple of your statements. Pt Jee never showed any " arrogance " towards any culture or religion - western or eastern. This statement from you is uncalled for. He was a secularist, humble and a straight-forward person, yet very well informed. He never discriminated against anyone ever. People from all religions visited him and he showed the same concern for everyone. Also, please don't think that he had gone senile towards the end (that is what you are implying.) He was as sharp as a tack even two weeks before his departure. He had become frail in body but mentally, he was extremely alert and sharp. Even two weeks before his death, he was making changes to his yet-to-be-published Lal Kitab and other related material (his family is holding on to all this.) He did not need any certificate or endorsement from anyone, westerns or whoever. These statements fromyou are unnecessary. Please refrain from that. You don't know about him at all > and without knowing for sure, such imaginary statements do no good to anyone. > > I wish you well. > > Respectfully, > Rajinder Bhatia > ========================================================= > wandahl wrote: > Dear Rajinder Bhatia, > > If the late Pandit Roop Chand Joshi was so sure about the idea that > the Ascendants of all foreign people should should be calculated as if > their birthplace was somewhere in India, why didn't he write anything > about this in Lal Kitab? > > Assuming for a moment this theory to be right, then surely, such a > fundamentally unortodox procedure would have been relevant to mention > in at least one of the five Lal Kitab books? > > I mean, imagine if this was merely some weird idea which Pt. Roop > Chand Joshi was playing with as an experiment for a short period or > when he was too old and nothing more than that. What if this is > something that he would never promote in public, simply because he was > not sure of it? > > After all, from his writings Pt. Roop Chand Joshi doesn't strike me to > be any expert in western life-style and culture. Who knows, perhaps he > realized that, and kept these weird ideas for himself. > > I think it is doubtful that Pt. Roop Chand Joshi would ever display > such an arrogance towards western culture, western people and towards > all other astrological traditions? From his books he seems like a good > and humble man. > > I think it is important to respect the textbooks and the great > astrologers of the past like Pt. Roop Chand Joshi. No doubt we are > standing on their shoulders. However we should not become too > religious about following their ideas to the very minute in our > fanaticism. Then we would loose our own powers of discrimination and > get lost in the woods of astrological knowledge. So respect is a good > thing, but too much respect is not very useful. > > Surely we astrologers should always keep a critical mind, good > judgement and be honest in our research, at least towards ourselves. > > Yours friendly, > Finn Wandahl > > > > Recent Activity > > 6 > New Members > > Visit Your Group > Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > > Need traffic? > Drive customers > With search ads > on > > Fashion Groups > on > A great place to > connect and share. > > > > . > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Dear Bhatia ji, I had raised a few questions. I am waiting for your answers to them. Sincerely, KP Miglani lalkitab , " kpmiglani " <kpmiglani wrote: Dear Bhatia ji, The discussion on the Lagna Sarini used by Pt. Rupchandji should in no way be taken as a mark of disrespect to either Pandit ji or the Lal Kitab. As you have rightly said that every one is free to either discard it or use it. I agree with your view. Notwithstanding these two facts our effort is to evaluate the Sarini as an astrological tool; to find out whether the Sarini could be used for foreign births. This is purely an academic exercise. One of the contemporaries of Pt. Rupchand ji had mentioned that even Pandit ji used this sarini very rarely. You have quoted Pt. Rupchand ji himself accepting that this Sarini has violated basic laws " He said that he was aware of the basic laws being violated.. " . Therefore it becomes all the more important to find out as to how does the Sarini make up for the Laws violated? What could be the impact of these laws violated on the accuracy of the Sarini? What modifications, as compared to the Sarinis available at his time, Pandit ji had done in the Sarini he used? Just saying that Pandit ji had made certain modifications in then available Sarinis is not sufficient unless we know what these modifications were? I do not think the discussion would be over till the questions raised above are answered. Even if we stop this discussion, the next generation of Lal Kitab scholars might raise it again. Therefore we might as well be done with it. Any tool used is always under scrutiny leading to evolving a better, efficient,user friendly and more accurate tool. Therefore please do not take our inquisitiveness or the spirit of enquiry as any thing personally against the Lal Kitab or Pandit ji. Sincerely, KP Miglani lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002@> wrote: > > Dear Finn, > As I have mentioned in the past, the last published material came from Pt Rup Chand Jee in 1952. He lived for another thirty (30) years after that. He continued to think, research, and experiment with LalKitab methodology. In this timeframe, he developed numerous new " methods " in LalKitab system. Unfortunately, I don't know much about how they work. There is not even a hint of any of these methods in any of the previously published material. > > Pt jee belonged to district Jalandhar which perhaps had the highest number of people going abroad (UK, Canada, Australia etc.) just around the early 1950's and 1960's. Many of these immigrants, whenever came to visit India, would visit Pt Jee for advice etc. He started noticing that horoscopes made by the usual Vedic principles weren't yielding satisfactory results (when analyzed using Lal Kitab principles.) He'd have to apply major adjustments or modifications to the position of the ascendant in order to get desired results. In the late sixties/early 70's, he started experimenting with this and got a Lagan Sarani made from the astrologers of " Pt Devi Dayal's Mufeed Alam Jantari " , a respected almanac maker of Punjab. Actually Pt jee always used Pt Devi Dayal's almanac himself and this is mentioned in many editions of the published Lal Kitab. Using the new Lagan Sarini (LS) for " foreign births " , which was basically prepared using Madras as the reference point, he still > saw many problems and he made numerous adjustments and tweaks to this LS. When he became satsfied, he got about a hundred copies printed in the format of a booklet. True to his tradition, he didn't give his name - he didn't even " publish " this booklet. He just gave this away to whomever he thought worthy of it, as had always been his style. So this is the background and this should be clear as to why this method is not mentioned in any of the published Lal Kitabs and why this does not correspond to Madras or wherever (I got some of this information very recently from his family.) He also did not mention LalKitab at all anywhere in this booklet - nobody knows the reason behind this and I can't comment on it. > > During my long conversation with him in 1982, I expressed my uneasiness over this reckoner. He said that he was aware of the basic laws being violated but " Lal Kitab system will work for foreign births with this LS. " So I have taken his word for it. I agree with your statement 200% that this is a very unorthodox approach (perhaps unscientific.) But people with intuition and special vision can see way beyond mathematical formulae and what us ordinary mortal beings are capable of seeing. Pt Jee certainly was no ordinary mortal being. > > He prepared numerous horoscopes using this method and this LS including those of my children, nephews and nieces who were born in the US. As I have mentioned before, he predicted even before I even had any children that they will all have their Jupiter in the eighth house. When he prepared their horoscopes, using the LS, their Jupiter turned out to be in the 8th. (Using Vedic, it wouldn't.) Basically, all I have to say is that if you like it, use it. If you don't like it, feel free to discard it. I have no ulterior motives here - there is nothing to gain, nothing to hide. I am not at all well versed in the intricacies of the theory of ascendant. Therefore, I can't discuss this topic on mathematical/astronomical grounds. I have been using this LS since about 1980 and it has worked extremely well for me. I still have to verify the ascendant and have had to " adjust " the ascendant at times to correspond to the actual prevailing conditions of the native. There are some other > people that I know of, who use this LS but most of them are not on the 'net. > > Finn, I do take strong exception to a couple of your statements. Pt Jee never showed any " arrogance " towards any culture or religion - western or eastern. This statement from you is uncalled for. He was a secularist, humble and a straight-forward person, yet very well informed. He never discriminated against anyone ever. People from all religions visited him and he showed the same concern for everyone. Also, please don't think that he had gone senile towards the end (that is what you are implying.) He was as sharp as a tack even two weeks before his departure. He had become frail in body but mentally, he was extremely alert and sharp. Even two weeks before his death, he was making changes to his yet-to-be-published Lal Kitab and other related material (his family is holding on to all this.) He did not need any certificate or endorsement from anyone, westerns or whoever. These statements fromyou are unnecessary. Please refrain from that. You don't know about him at all > and without knowing for sure, such imaginary statements do no good to anyone. > > I wish you well. > > Respectfully, > Rajinder Bhatia > ========================================================= > wandahl@> wrote: > Dear Rajinder Bhatia, > > If the late Pandit Roop Chand Joshi was so sure about the idea that > the Ascendants of all foreign people should should be calculated as if > their birthplace was somewhere in India, why didn't he write anything > about this in Lal Kitab? > > Assuming for a moment this theory to be right, then surely, such a > fundamentally unortodox procedure would have been relevant to mention > in at least one of the five Lal Kitab books? > > I mean, imagine if this was merely some weird idea which Pt. Roop > Chand Joshi was playing with as an experiment for a short period or > when he was too old and nothing more than that. What if this is > something that he would never promote in public, simply because he was > not sure of it? > > After all, from his writings Pt. Roop Chand Joshi doesn't strike me to > be any expert in western life-style and culture. Who knows, perhaps he > realized that, and kept these weird ideas for himself. > > I think it is doubtful that Pt. Roop Chand Joshi would ever display > such an arrogance towards western culture, western people and towards > all other astrological traditions? From his books he seems like a good > and humble man. > > I think it is important to respect the textbooks and the great > astrologers of the past like Pt. Roop Chand Joshi. No doubt we are > standing on their shoulders. However we should not become too > religious about following their ideas to the very minute in our > fanaticism. Then we would loose our own powers of discrimination and > get lost in the woods of astrological knowledge. So respect is a good > thing, but too much respect is not very useful. > > Surely we astrologers should always keep a critical mind, good > judgement and be honest in our research, at least towards ourselves. > > Yours friendly, > Finn Wandahl > > > > Recent Activity > > 6 > New Members > > Visit Your Group > Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > > Need traffic? > Drive customers > With search ads > on > > Fashion Groups > on > A great place to > connect and share. > > > > . > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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