Guest guest Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Dear Moderator, Perhaps you should keep a critical eye at the file-section of this group. There is a long article by someone called Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain which does not belong there. Obviously from the article Mr. Kumar Jain is a skeptic and connected to the American skeptic-guru James Randi. He is clearly promoting his anti-astrology interests in this article. Please believe me when I tell you that these Randi-skeptics are as bad as they come. They are fanatics and enemies of any kind of astrology. I have often seen them resort to trouble-making. My advice is that you delete the article at the earliest and get this Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain or who-ever his is banned from this group. Best regards, Finn Wandahl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Dear Mr. Finn, The file has been removed for the reason that it has nothing to do with Lal Kitab. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 11/10/07, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl wrote: > > Dear Moderator, > > Perhaps you should keep a critical eye at the file-section of this > group. There is a long article by someone called Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > which does not belong there. Obviously from the article Mr. Kumar Jain > is a skeptic and connected to the American skeptic-guru James Randi. > He is clearly promoting his anti-astrology interests in this article. > > Please believe me when I tell you that these Randi-skeptics are as bad > as they come. They are fanatics and enemies of any kind of astrology. > I have often seen them resort to trouble-making. My advice is that you > delete the article at the earliest and get this Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > or who-ever his is banned from this group. > > Best regards, > Finn Wandahl > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Dear Punit Ji, Please remove the foreign birth methodology in the files section as it has been proven inaccurate both theoretically by the learned scholars of this forum as well as practically as I suffered huge losses while performing upayes against this chart. Only when using a foreign location-centric chart were my ailments mitigated. You have been privy to all the exchanges relating to disproving the accuracy of the Sarini. Best Regards, Iqbal USA Sent via Blackberry " Punit Pandey " <punitp Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:02:55 To:lalkitab Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... Dear Mr. Finn, The file has been removed for the reason that it has nothing to do with Lal Kitab. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 11/10/07, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ <finn.wandahl%40mail.dk> mail.dk> wrote: > > Dear Moderator, > > Perhaps you should keep a critical eye at the file-section of this > group. There is a long article by someone called Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > which does not belong there. Obviously from the article Mr. Kumar Jain > is a skeptic and connected to the American skeptic-guru James Randi. > He is clearly promoting his anti-astrology interests in this article. > > Please believe me when I tell you that these Randi-skeptics are as bad > as they come. They are fanatics and enemies of any kind of astrology. > I have often seen them resort to trouble-making. My advice is that you > delete the article at the earliest and get this Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > or who-ever his is banned from this group. > > Best regards, > Finn Wandahl > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Dear Iqbal ji, I see it differently. We have done some discussion on this topic and every body presented his/ her point of view. The conclusion is not important and we can leave it to the forum members. The important part is the discussion and we have done that. I hope that we will have more discussion, especially on the practical side as well. For example, take few foreign charts and apply both the methods and judge. I feel that any other, other than practical application, for judging the predictive astrology prciples are not much useful. Let us have discussion on the real charts. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 11/10/07, punjabilovebug <punjabilovebug wrote: > > Dear Punit Ji, > > Please remove the foreign birth methodology in the files section as it has > been proven inaccurate both theoretically by the learned scholars of this > forum as well as practically as I suffered huge losses while performing > upayes against this chart. Only when using a foreign location-centric chart > were my ailments mitigated. > > You have been privy to all the exchanges relating to disproving the > accuracy of the Sarini. > > Best Regards, > Iqbal > USA > > > Sent via Blackberry > > > " Punit Pandey " <punitp > > Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:02:55 > To:lalkitab > Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... > > > Dear Mr. Finn, > > The file has been removed for the reason that it has nothing to do with > Lal > Kitab. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > On 11/10/07, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ <finn.wandahl%40mail.dk> > mail.dk> wrote: > > > > Dear Moderator, > > > > Perhaps you should keep a critical eye at the file-section of this > > group. There is a long article by someone called Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > > which does not belong there. Obviously from the article Mr. Kumar Jain > > is a skeptic and connected to the American skeptic-guru James Randi. > > He is clearly promoting his anti-astrology interests in this article. > > > > Please believe me when I tell you that these Randi-skeptics are as bad > > as they come. They are fanatics and enemies of any kind of astrology. > > I have often seen them resort to trouble-making. My advice is that you > > delete the article at the earliest and get this Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > > or who-ever his is banned from this group. > > > > Best regards, > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Dear Punit Ji, When applying this approach leads to suffering and pain why would we encourage others to leverage this approach? This is no theory - those birth details are mine and I am intimately aware of the repercussions of following this inaccurate approach. If you won't take that approach down then I am prepared to write a similar document on the correct approach in making varshphals and we can post side-by-side. This would balance the debate and I will also cite the theoretical and scientific formulas used to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the inaccuracy of this Sarini. You say the value is in the discussion but you allow such a document to be posted in the files which to new members would be seen as the only and correct approach in crafting a chart. We hold the responsibility to either balance that document with a rebuttal document or not to post one at all unless the author of that document can provide evidence that it worked for that chart in this year's varshphal for remedies prescribed. So will you either take it down or conversely allow for a rebuttal document to be posted alongside? Actions will speak louder than your words on this important topic. Best Regards, Iqbal USA Sent via Blackberry " Punit Pandey " <punitp Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:45:24 To:lalkitab Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... Dear Iqbal ji, I see it differently. We have done some discussion on this topic and every body presented his/ her point of view. The conclusion is not important and we can leave it to the forum members. The important part is the discussion and we have done that. I hope that we will have more discussion, especially on the practical side as well. For example, take few foreign charts and apply both the methods and judge. I feel that any other, other than practical application, for judging the predictive astrology prciples are not much useful. Let us have discussion on the real charts. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 11/10/07, punjabilovebug@ <punjabilovebug%40> <punjabilovebug@ <punjabilovebug%40> > wrote: > > Dear Punit Ji, > > Please remove the foreign birth methodology in the files section as it has > been proven inaccurate both theoretically by the learned scholars of this > forum as well as practically as I suffered huge losses while performing > upayes against this chart. Only when using a foreign location-centric chart > were my ailments mitigated. > > You have been privy to all the exchanges relating to disproving the > accuracy of the Sarini. > > Best Regards, > Iqbal > USA > > > Sent via Blackberry > > > " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) <punitp%40gmail.com> com> > > Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:02:55 > To:lalkitab@ <lalkitab%40> s.com > Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... > > > Dear Mr. Finn, > > The file has been removed for the reason that it has nothing to do with > Lal > Kitab. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > On 11/10/07, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ <finn.wandahl%40mail.dk> > mail.dk> wrote: > > > > Dear Moderator, > > > > Perhaps you should keep a critical eye at the file-section of this > > group. There is a long article by someone called Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > > which does not belong there. Obviously from the article Mr. Kumar Jain > > is a skeptic and connected to the American skeptic-guru James Randi. > > He is clearly promoting his anti-astrology interests in this article. > > > > Please believe me when I tell you that these Randi-skeptics are as bad > > as they come. They are fanatics and enemies of any kind of astrology. > > I have often seen them resort to trouble-making. My advice is that you > > delete the article at the earliest and get this Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > > or who-ever his is banned from this group. > > > > Best regards, > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Dear Punit Ji, I forgot to also mention that the original file posted in the forum on Sarini was also theoretical. You claim: " I feel that any other, other than practical application, for judging the predictive astrology prciples are not much useful. Let us have discussion on the real charts. " The author of the document had no evidence that remedies prescribed for this chart per the Sarini had any accuracy or benefits. This was purely his theoretical exercise. Per your own comments his file does not meet the litmus test you have gone on record as stating. That being said - why would you continue to harbor a file that grossly goes against the paradigm you cite for its legitimacy? Best Regards, Iqbal USA Sent via Blackberry " Punit Pandey " <punitp Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:45:24 To:lalkitab Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... Dear Iqbal ji, I see it differently. We have done some discussion on this topic and every body presented his/ her point of view. The conclusion is not important and we can leave it to the forum members. The important part is the discussion and we have done that. I hope that we will have more discussion, especially on the practical side as well. For example, take few foreign charts and apply both the methods and judge. I feel that any other, other than practical application, for judging the predictive astrology prciples are not much useful. Let us have discussion on the real charts. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 11/10/07, punjabilovebug@ <punjabilovebug%40> <punjabilovebug@ <punjabilovebug%40> > wrote: > > Dear Punit Ji, > > Please remove the foreign birth methodology in the files section as it has > been proven inaccurate both theoretically by the learned scholars of this > forum as well as practically as I suffered huge losses while performing > upayes against this chart. Only when using a foreign location-centric chart > were my ailments mitigated. > > You have been privy to all the exchanges relating to disproving the > accuracy of the Sarini. > > Best Regards, > Iqbal > USA > > > Sent via Blackberry > > > " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) <punitp%40gmail.com> com> > > Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:02:55 > To:lalkitab@ <lalkitab%40> s.com > Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... > > > Dear Mr. Finn, > > The file has been removed for the reason that it has nothing to do with > Lal > Kitab. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > On 11/10/07, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ <finn.wandahl%40mail.dk> > mail.dk> wrote: > > > > Dear Moderator, > > > > Perhaps you should keep a critical eye at the file-section of this > > group. There is a long article by someone called Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > > which does not belong there. Obviously from the article Mr. Kumar Jain > > is a skeptic and connected to the American skeptic-guru James Randi. > > He is clearly promoting his anti-astrology interests in this article. > > > > Please believe me when I tell you that these Randi-skeptics are as bad > > as they come. They are fanatics and enemies of any kind of astrology. > > I have often seen them resort to trouble-making. My advice is that you > > delete the article at the earliest and get this Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > > or who-ever his is banned from this group. > > > > Best regards, > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Dear Punit Ji, May I humbly request you to clarify what you meant by: " The conclusion is not important and we can leave it to the forum members. " Are you saying that the conclusion of analysis is not important? What according to your logic is the benefit of any exchange whatsoever then? The entire point of this forum and per its constitution which I refreshed your memory on is to exchange LK specific ideals. As you have stated you are not an LK practitioner then on what basis can you justify the Sarini application if you aren't familiar with either the varshphal chart calculation nor the dire consequences of using improper charts when prescribing LK remedies? I believe the forum will benefit from your clarification on these issues. Best Regards, Iqbal USA Sent via Blackberry " Punit Pandey " <punitp Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:45:24 To:lalkitab Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... Dear Iqbal ji, I see it differently. We have done some discussion on this topic and every body presented his/ her point of view. The conclusion is not important and we can leave it to the forum members. The important part is the discussion and we have done that. I hope that we will have more discussion, especially on the practical side as well. For example, take few foreign charts and apply both the methods and judge. I feel that any other, other than practical application, for judging the predictive astrology prciples are not much useful. Let us have discussion on the real charts. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 11/10/07, punjabilovebug@ <punjabilovebug%40> <punjabilovebug@ <punjabilovebug%40> > wrote: > > Dear Punit Ji, > > Please remove the foreign birth methodology in the files section as it has > been proven inaccurate both theoretically by the learned scholars of this > forum as well as practically as I suffered huge losses while performing > upayes against this chart. Only when using a foreign location-centric chart > were my ailments mitigated. > > You have been privy to all the exchanges relating to disproving the > accuracy of the Sarini. > > Best Regards, > Iqbal > USA > > > Sent via Blackberry > > > " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) <punitp%40gmail.com> com> > > Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:02:55 > To:lalkitab@ <lalkitab%40> s.com > Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... > > > Dear Mr. Finn, > > The file has been removed for the reason that it has nothing to do with > Lal > Kitab. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > On 11/10/07, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ <finn.wandahl%40mail.dk> > mail.dk> wrote: > > > > Dear Moderator, > > > > Perhaps you should keep a critical eye at the file-section of this > > group. There is a long article by someone called Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > > which does not belong there. Obviously from the article Mr. Kumar Jain > > is a skeptic and connected to the American skeptic-guru James Randi. > > He is clearly promoting his anti-astrology interests in this article. > > > > Please believe me when I tell you that these Randi-skeptics are as bad > > as they come. They are fanatics and enemies of any kind of astrology. > > I have often seen them resort to trouble-making. My advice is that you > > delete the article at the earliest and get this Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > > or who-ever his is banned from this group. > > > > Best regards, > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Please see my response below inline in BLOCK letters. On 11/10/07, punjabilovebug <punjabilovebug wrote: > > Dear Punit Ji, > > May I humbly request you to clarify what you meant by: > > " The conclusion is not important and > we can leave it to the forum members. " > > Are you saying that the conclusion of analysis is not important? What > according to your logic is the benefit of any exchange whatsoever then? The > entire point of this forum and per its constitution which I refreshed your > memory on is to exchange LK specific ideals. I MEAN " CONCLUSION OF DISCUSSION " AND NOT " CONCLUSION OF ANALYSIS " . IT IS NOT IMPORTANT THAT WE CONCLUDE ANYTHING. MY EXPERIENCE OF ASTROLOGICAL FORUM MODERATION IS THAT PEOPLE WILL NEVER AGREE TO EACH OTHER AND THEY WILL STICK TO THEIR STAND. THERE IS NO WAY TO PROVE SOMETHING WHICH IS ACCEPTABLE TO ALL. THAT IS THE REASON I SAID THAT DISCUSSION IS IMPORTANT AND NOT CONCLUSION. LET US LEAVE IT UPTO THE INDIVIDUAL TO DECIDE WHETHER SOMETHING IS WRITE OR WRONG. YOU ARE CORRECT THAT THE OBJECTIVE OF THE FORUM IS LAL KITAB KNOWLEDGE EXCHANGE AND THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO PROMOTE BY SAYING THAT DISCUSSION (EXCHANGE) IS IMPORTANT. As you have stated you are not an LK practitioner then on what basis can you > justify the Sarini application if you aren't familiar with either the > varshphal chart calculation nor the dire consequences of using improper > charts when prescribing LK remedies? I believe the forum will benefit from > your clarification on these issues. I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU CAN GO BACK AND RE-READ MY MESSAGE. I SAID THAT " I NEVER CLAIMED THAT I AM EXPERT LAL KITAB ASTROLOGER.' PLEASE STOP MIS-QUOTING. I HAVE SAID NOTHING ABOUT BEING OR NOT BEING LK PRACTITIONER. I MUST TELL YOU THAT I HAVE GOOD ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE ON LAL KITAB AND VARIOUS OTHER BRANCHES OF ASTROLOGY. SO I AM FAMILIAR ENOUGH ABOUT SARNI AS WELL AS VARSHPHAL AND OTHER CONCEPTS OF LAL KITAB. ALSO WHERE DID I JUSTIFY SARNI? PLEASE STOP SPREADING RUMOURS AND PUTTING YOUR WORDS IN OTHER'S MOUTH. Best Regards, > Iqbal > USA > > > > > Sent via Blackberry > > > " Punit Pandey " <punitp > > Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:45:24 > To:lalkitab > Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... > > > Dear Iqbal ji, > > I see it differently. We have done some discussion on this topic and every > body presented his/ her point of view. The conclusion is not important and > we can leave it to the forum members. The important part is the discussion > and we have done that. I hope that we will have more discussion, > especially on the practical side as well. For example, take few foreign > charts and apply both the methods and judge. I feel that any other, other > than practical application, for judging the predictive astrology prciples > are not much useful. Let us have discussion on the real charts. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > On 11/10/07, punjabilovebug@ <punjabilovebug%40> <punjabilovebug@ < > punjabilovebug%40> > wrote: > > > > Dear Punit Ji, > > > > Please remove the foreign birth methodology in the files section as it > has > > been proven inaccurate both theoretically by the learned scholars of > this > > forum as well as practically as I suffered huge losses while performing > > upayes against this chart. Only when using a foreign location-centric > chart > > were my ailments mitigated. > > > > You have been privy to all the exchanges relating to disproving the > > accuracy of the Sarini. > > > > Best Regards, > > Iqbal > > USA > > > > > > Sent via Blackberry > > > > > > " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) <punitp%40gmail.com> com> > > > > Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:02:55 > > To:lalkitab@ <lalkitab%40> s.com > > Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... > > > > > > Dear Mr. Finn, > > > > The file has been removed for the reason that it has nothing to do with > > Lal > > Kitab. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > On 11/10/07, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ <finn.wandahl%40mail.dk> > > mail.dk> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Moderator, > > > > > > Perhaps you should keep a critical eye at the file-section of this > > > group. There is a long article by someone called Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > > > which does not belong there. Obviously from the article Mr. Kumar Jain > > > is a skeptic and connected to the American skeptic-guru James Randi. > > > He is clearly promoting his anti-astrology interests in this article. > > > > > > Please believe me when I tell you that these Randi-skeptics are as bad > > > as they come. They are fanatics and enemies of any kind of astrology. > > > I have often seen them resort to trouble-making. My advice is that you > > > delete the article at the earliest and get this Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > > > or who-ever his is banned from this group. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Dear Iqbal ji, Please see my response below inline in BLOCK letters. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 11/10/07, punjabilovebug <punjabilovebug wrote: > > Dear Punit Ji, > > When applying this approach leads to suffering and pain why would we > encourage others to leverage this approach? FIRST OF ALL THE FORUM IS NEITHER ENCOURAGING NOR DISCOURAGING SARNI. WE HAVE JUST NEUTRAL VIEW TOWARDS IT. I NEED SUFFICIENT CASES OF SUFFERING FROM THIS APPROACH AND ONCE I GET THAT I'LL DEFINATELY CONSIDER TAKING IT OFF. JUST YOU SAYING THAT IS NOT ENOUGH. This is no theory - those birth details are mine and I am intimately aware > of the repercussions of following this inaccurate approach. AS I MENTIONED THAT YOUR AWARENESS IS NOT SUFFICIENT. BHATIA JI IS ALSO AWARE OF VARIOUS PEOPLE WHO GET BENEFITTED FROM THAT APPROACH. I DON'T THINK EVEN THAT IS SUFFICIENT. IF WE SEE THOSE IN THE FORUM, WE CAN VALIDATE AND DECIDE. If you won't take that approach down then I am prepared to write a similar > document on the correct approach in making varshphals and we can post > side-by-side. This would balance the debate and I will also cite the > theoretical and scientific formulas used to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt > the inaccuracy of this Sarini. MOST WELCOME. You say the value is in the discussion but you allow such a document to be > posted in the files which to new members would be seen as the only and > correct approach in crafting a chart. We hold the responsibility to either > balance that document with a rebuttal document or not to post one at all > unless the author of that document can provide evidence that it worked for > that chart in this year's varshphal for remedies prescribed. AS I MENTIONED ABOVE, YOU DOCUMENT IS MOST WELCOME. I'LL NOT ASK EVIDENCE TO YOU AS WELL AND CONSIDER AS YOUR VIEW-POINT. So will you either take it down or conversely allow for a rebuttal document > to be posted alongside? Actions will speak louder than your words on this > important topic. > > Best Regards, > Iqbal > USA > > > > Sent via Blackberry > > > " Punit Pandey " <punitp > > Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:45:24 > To:lalkitab > Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... > > > Dear Iqbal ji, > > I see it differently. We have done some discussion on this topic and every > body presented his/ her point of view. The conclusion is not important and > we can leave it to the forum members. The important part is the discussion > and we have done that. I hope that we will have more discussion, > especially on the practical side as well. For example, take few foreign > charts and apply both the methods and judge. I feel that any other, other > than practical application, for judging the predictive astrology prciples > are not much useful. Let us have discussion on the real charts. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > On 11/10/07, punjabilovebug@ <punjabilovebug%40> <punjabilovebug@ < > punjabilovebug%40> > wrote: > > > > Dear Punit Ji, > > > > Please remove the foreign birth methodology in the files section as it > has > > been proven inaccurate both theoretically by the learned scholars of > this > > forum as well as practically as I suffered huge losses while performing > > upayes against this chart. Only when using a foreign location-centric > chart > > were my ailments mitigated. > > > > You have been privy to all the exchanges relating to disproving the > > accuracy of the Sarini. > > > > Best Regards, > > Iqbal > > USA > > > > > > Sent via Blackberry > > > > > > " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) <punitp%40gmail.com> com> > > > > Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:02:55 > > To:lalkitab@ <lalkitab%40> s.com > > Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... > > > > > > Dear Mr. Finn, > > > > The file has been removed for the reason that it has nothing to do with > > Lal > > Kitab. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > On 11/10/07, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ <finn.wandahl%40mail.dk> > > mail.dk> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Moderator, > > > > > > Perhaps you should keep a critical eye at the file-section of this > > > group. There is a long article by someone called Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > > > which does not belong there. Obviously from the article Mr. Kumar Jain > > > is a skeptic and connected to the American skeptic-guru James Randi. > > > He is clearly promoting his anti-astrology interests in this article. > > > > > > Please believe me when I tell you that these Randi-skeptics are as bad > > > as they come. They are fanatics and enemies of any kind of astrology. > > > I have often seen them resort to trouble-making. My advice is that you > > > delete the article at the earliest and get this Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > > > or who-ever his is banned from this group. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Dear Iqbal ji, Now your posts look like nitpicking. I said that we should have a discussion on real charts because you want to disprove some theory. We need to have theory first and then only we can prove or disprove it? Also, as a matter of fact, the forum has no intention to prove or disprove any theory, especially when we are this much divided on some topic. Our primarily intention is to have a discussion on it so that members can know the different viewpoints. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 11/10/07, punjabilovebug <punjabilovebug wrote: > > Dear Punit Ji, > > I forgot to also mention that the original file posted in the forum on > Sarini was also theoretical. > > You claim: > > " I feel that any other, other > than practical application, for judging the predictive astrology prciples > are not much useful. Let us have discussion on the real charts. " > > The author of the document had no evidence that remedies prescribed for > this chart per the Sarini had any accuracy or benefits. This was purely his > theoretical exercise. Per your own comments his file does not meet the > litmus test you have gone on record as stating. > > That being said - why would you continue to harbor a file that grossly > goes against the paradigm you cite for its legitimacy? > > Best Regards, > Iqbal > USA > > > Sent via Blackberry > > > " Punit Pandey " <punitp > > Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:45:24 > To:lalkitab > Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... > > > Dear Iqbal ji, > > I see it differently. We have done some discussion on this topic and every > body presented his/ her point of view. The conclusion is not important and > we can leave it to the forum members. The important part is the discussion > and we have done that. I hope that we will have more discussion, > especially on the practical side as well. For example, take few foreign > charts and apply both the methods and judge. I feel that any other, other > than practical application, for judging the predictive astrology prciples > are not much useful. Let us have discussion on the real charts. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > On 11/10/07, punjabilovebug@ <punjabilovebug%40> <punjabilovebug@ < > punjabilovebug%40> > wrote: > > > > Dear Punit Ji, > > > > Please remove the foreign birth methodology in the files section as it > has > > been proven inaccurate both theoretically by the learned scholars of > this > > forum as well as practically as I suffered huge losses while performing > > upayes against this chart. Only when using a foreign location-centric > chart > > were my ailments mitigated. > > > > You have been privy to all the exchanges relating to disproving the > > accuracy of the Sarini. > > > > Best Regards, > > Iqbal > > USA > > > > > > Sent via Blackberry > > > > > > " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) <punitp%40gmail.com> com> > > > > Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:02:55 > > To:lalkitab@ <lalkitab%40> s.com > > Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... > > > > > > Dear Mr. Finn, > > > > The file has been removed for the reason that it has nothing to do with > > Lal > > Kitab. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > On 11/10/07, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ <finn.wandahl%40mail.dk> > > mail.dk> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Moderator, > > > > > > Perhaps you should keep a critical eye at the file-section of this > > > group. There is a long article by someone called Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > > > which does not belong there. Obviously from the article Mr. Kumar Jain > > > is a skeptic and connected to the American skeptic-guru James Randi. > > > He is clearly promoting his anti-astrology interests in this article. > > > > > > Please believe me when I tell you that these Randi-skeptics are as bad > > > as they come. They are fanatics and enemies of any kind of astrology. > > > I have often seen them resort to trouble-making. My advice is that you > > > delete the article at the earliest and get this Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > > > or who-ever his is banned from this group. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Dear Punit Ji, How many people's suffering and pain will it in fact that before the approach is labelled as risky, dangerous and inaccurate? Please provide the benchmark of how many people need to suffer before such an action would be warranted. I would have thought one person's pain would be enough but cleary you have other thoughts in mind. There is not one posting in this forum on evidence that Bhatia Ji's sarini approach with remedies was successful. I have provided evidence that it has not been. Bhatia Ji himself confessed that his approach was not showing its colors for my chart. Please share your views. Best Regards, Iqbal USA Sent via Blackberry " Punit Pandey " <punitp Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:43:13 To:lalkitab Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... Dear Iqbal ji, Please see my response below inline in BLOCK letters. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 11/10/07, punjabilovebug@ <punjabilovebug%40> <punjabilovebug@ <punjabilovebug%40> > wrote: > > Dear Punit Ji, > > When applying this approach leads to suffering and pain why would we > encourage others to leverage this approach? FIRST OF ALL THE FORUM IS NEITHER ENCOURAGING NOR DISCOURAGING SARNI. WE HAVE JUST NEUTRAL VIEW TOWARDS IT. I NEED SUFFICIENT CASES OF SUFFERING FROM THIS APPROACH AND ONCE I GET THAT I'LL DEFINATELY CONSIDER TAKING IT OFF. JUST YOU SAYING THAT IS NOT ENOUGH. This is no theory - those birth details are mine and I am intimately aware > of the repercussions of following this inaccurate approach. AS I MENTIONED THAT YOUR AWARENESS IS NOT SUFFICIENT. BHATIA JI IS ALSO AWARE OF VARIOUS PEOPLE WHO GET BENEFITTED FROM THAT APPROACH. I DON'T THINK EVEN THAT IS SUFFICIENT. IF WE SEE THOSE IN THE FORUM, WE CAN VALIDATE AND DECIDE. If you won't take that approach down then I am prepared to write a similar > document on the correct approach in making varshphals and we can post > side-by-side. This would balance the debate and I will also cite the > theoretical and scientific formulas used to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt > the inaccuracy of this Sarini. MOST WELCOME. You say the value is in the discussion but you allow such a document to be > posted in the files which to new members would be seen as the only and > correct approach in crafting a chart. We hold the responsibility to either > balance that document with a rebuttal document or not to post one at all > unless the author of that document can provide evidence that it worked for > that chart in this year's varshphal for remedies prescribed. AS I MENTIONED ABOVE, YOU DOCUMENT IS MOST WELCOME. I'LL NOT ASK EVIDENCE TO YOU AS WELL AND CONSIDER AS YOUR VIEW-POINT. So will you either take it down or conversely allow for a rebuttal document > to be posted alongside? Actions will speak louder than your words on this > important topic. > > Best Regards, > Iqbal > USA > > > > Sent via Blackberry > > > " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) <punitp%40gmail.com> com> > > Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:45:24 > To:lalkitab@ <lalkitab%40> s.com > Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... > > > Dear Iqbal ji, > > I see it differently. We have done some discussion on this topic and every > body presented his/ her point of view. The conclusion is not important and > we can leave it to the forum members. The important part is the discussion > and we have done that. I hope that we will have more discussion, > especially on the practical side as well. For example, take few foreign > charts and apply both the methods and judge. I feel that any other, other > than practical application, for judging the predictive astrology prciples > are not much useful. Let us have discussion on the real charts. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > On 11/10/07, punjabilovebug@ <punjabilovebug%40> <punjabilovebug@ < > punjabilovebug%40> > wrote: > > > > Dear Punit Ji, > > > > Please remove the foreign birth methodology in the files section as it > has > > been proven inaccurate both theoretically by the learned scholars of > this > > forum as well as practically as I suffered huge losses while performing > > upayes against this chart. Only when using a foreign location-centric > chart > > were my ailments mitigated. > > > > You have been privy to all the exchanges relating to disproving the > > accuracy of the Sarini. > > > > Best Regards, > > Iqbal > > USA > > > > > > Sent via Blackberry > > > > > > " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) <punitp%40gmail.com> com> > > > > Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:02:55 > > To:lalkitab@ <lalkitab%40> s.com > > Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... > > > > > > Dear Mr. Finn, > > > > The file has been removed for the reason that it has nothing to do with > > Lal > > Kitab. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > On 11/10/07, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ <finn.wandahl%40mail.dk> > > mail.dk> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Moderator, > > > > > > Perhaps you should keep a critical eye at the file-section of this > > > group. There is a long article by someone called Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > > > which does not belong there. Obviously from the article Mr. Kumar Jain > > > is a skeptic and connected to the American skeptic-guru James Randi. > > > He is clearly promoting his anti-astrology interests in this article. > > > > > > Please believe me when I tell you that these Randi-skeptics are as bad > > > as they come. They are fanatics and enemies of any kind of astrology. > > > I have often seen them resort to trouble-making. My advice is that you > > > delete the article at the earliest and get this Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > > > or who-ever his is banned from this group. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Dear Iqbal ji, Now you don't have any logical point left that's why you started having emotional and sentimental discussion? How many cases you have proven that created suffering and pain due to sarni? If you don't like sarni or if the sarni doesn't work for you is not good enough reason for me to think that it is wrong. After so many posts, I have not seen even one single post from you that talks about the practical application, and what all you are discussing is different way of talking the same thing. I would request you that please stop the discussion if you don't have any point left. This kind of discussion are very discouraging. There are few cases (complaints) in this forum that Lal Kitab remedies has destroyed person's life. Now do you think that I should kill this forum because Lal Kitab remedies destorys life or should I check the application of the principles? Without the discussion on application, all these discussions make no sense. This is an astrological forum and we are not discussing philosophies here. Either talk in astrological terms or just leave it. There is no scope for all these sentimental discussions. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 11/11/07, punjabilovebug <punjabilovebug wrote: > > Dear Punit Ji, > > How many people's suffering and pain will it in fact that before the > approach is labelled as risky, dangerous and inaccurate? > > Please provide the benchmark of how many people need to suffer before such > an action would be warranted. I would have thought one person's pain would > be enough but cleary you have other thoughts in mind. > > There is not one posting in this forum on evidence that Bhatia Ji's sarini > approach with remedies was successful. I have provided evidence that it has > not been. Bhatia Ji himself confessed that his approach was not showing its > colors for my chart. > > Please share your views. > > Best Regards, > Iqbal > USA > > Sent via Blackberry > > > " Punit Pandey " <punitp > > Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:43:13 > To:lalkitab > Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... > > > Dear Iqbal ji, > > Please see my response below inline in BLOCK letters. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > On 11/10/07, punjabilovebug@ <punjabilovebug%40> <punjabilovebug@ < > punjabilovebug%40> > wrote: > > > > Dear Punit Ji, > > > > When applying this approach leads to suffering and pain why would we > > encourage others to leverage this approach? > > FIRST OF ALL THE FORUM IS NEITHER ENCOURAGING NOR DISCOURAGING SARNI. > WE HAVE JUST NEUTRAL VIEW TOWARDS IT. I NEED SUFFICIENT CASES OF SUFFERING > FROM THIS APPROACH AND ONCE I GET THAT I'LL DEFINATELY CONSIDER TAKING IT > OFF. JUST YOU SAYING THAT IS NOT ENOUGH. > > This is no theory - those birth details are mine and I am intimately aware > > of the repercussions of following this inaccurate approach. > > AS I MENTIONED THAT YOUR AWARENESS IS NOT SUFFICIENT. BHATIA JI IS ALSO > AWARE OF VARIOUS PEOPLE WHO GET BENEFITTED FROM THAT APPROACH. I DON'T > THINK > EVEN THAT IS SUFFICIENT. IF WE SEE THOSE IN THE FORUM, WE CAN VALIDATE AND > DECIDE. > > If you won't take that approach down then I am prepared to write a similar > > document on the correct approach in making varshphals and we can post > > side-by-side. This would balance the debate and I will also cite the > > theoretical and scientific formulas used to prove beyond a shadow of a > doubt > > the inaccuracy of this Sarini. > > MOST WELCOME. > > You say the value is in the discussion but you allow such a document to be > > posted in the files which to new members would be seen as the only and > > correct approach in crafting a chart. We hold the responsibility to > either > > balance that document with a rebuttal document or not to post one at all > > unless the author of that document can provide evidence that it worked > for > > that chart in this year's varshphal for remedies prescribed. > > AS I MENTIONED ABOVE, YOU DOCUMENT IS MOST WELCOME. I'LL NOT ASK EVIDENCE > TO > YOU AS WELL AND CONSIDER AS YOUR VIEW-POINT. > > So will you either take it down or conversely allow for a rebuttal > document > > to be posted alongside? Actions will speak louder than your words on > this > > important topic. > > > > Best Regards, > > Iqbal > > USA > > > > > > > > Sent via Blackberry > > > > > > " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) <punitp%40gmail.com> com> > > > > Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:45:24 > > To:lalkitab@ <lalkitab%40> s.com > > Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... > > > > > > Dear Iqbal ji, > > > > I see it differently. We have done some discussion on this topic and > every > > body presented his/ her point of view. The conclusion is not important > and > > we can leave it to the forum members. The important part is the > discussion > > and we have done that. I hope that we will have more discussion, > > especially on the practical side as well. For example, take few foreign > > charts and apply both the methods and judge. I feel that any other, > other > > than practical application, for judging the predictive astrology > prciples > > are not much useful. Let us have discussion on the real charts. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > On 11/10/07, punjabilovebug@ <punjabilovebug%40> > <punjabilovebug@ < > > punjabilovebug%40> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Punit Ji, > > > > > > Please remove the foreign birth methodology in the files section as it > > has > > > been proven inaccurate both theoretically by the learned scholars of > > this > > > forum as well as practically as I suffered huge losses while > performing > > > upayes against this chart. Only when using a foreign location-centric > > chart > > > were my ailments mitigated. > > > > > > You have been privy to all the exchanges relating to disproving the > > > accuracy of the Sarini. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Iqbal > > > USA > > > > > > > > > Sent via Blackberry > > > > > > > > > " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) <punitp%40gmail.com> com> > > > > > > Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:02:55 > > > To:lalkitab@ <lalkitab%40> s.com > > > Re: [lalkitab] Warning against skeptics... > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Finn, > > > > > > The file has been removed for the reason that it has nothing to do > with > > > Lal > > > Kitab. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > On 11/10/07, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ < > finn.wandahl%40mail.dk> > > > mail.dk> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Moderator, > > > > > > > > Perhaps you should keep a critical eye at the file-section of this > > > > group. There is a long article by someone called Mr. Sanat Kumar > Jain > > > > which does not belong there. Obviously from the article Mr. Kumar > Jain > > > > is a skeptic and connected to the American skeptic-guru James Randi. > > > > He is clearly promoting his anti-astrology interests in this > article. > > > > > > > > Please believe me when I tell you that these Randi-skeptics are as > bad > > > > as they come. They are fanatics and enemies of any kind of > astrology. > > > > I have often seen them resort to trouble-making. My advice is that > you > > > > delete the article at the earliest and get this Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain > > > > or who-ever his is banned from this group. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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