Guest guest Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Dear Members, I would like to get some clarity on remedies. Around 5 yrs back I performed a few some lalkitab remedies as suggested by some known expert in Lalkitab. Things seems to improve and life seemed to show some pace. This year I am discussed the same remedies with another Lalkitab expert and he gave me a different point of view about the Remedies. Currently I have facing starting of severe health problems and my stamina for work has reduced drastically. I have few queries. 1. Are lalkitab updayas permanent? 2. What if somebody wants to reverse the upayas 3. How do you Validate that an upaya will have be beneficial long term. 4. Where do I validate the updaya given to me. Regards Vivek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 lalkitab , " jyotish_mail " <jyotish_mail wrote: > > Dear Members, > > I would like to get some clarity on remedies. > > Around 5 yrs back I performed a few some lalkitab remedies as > suggested by some known expert in Lalkitab. > > Things seems to improve and life seemed to show some pace. > > This year I am discussed the same remedies with another Lalkitab > expert and he gave me a different point of view about the Remedies. > > Currently I have facing starting of severe health problems and my > stamina for work has reduced drastically. > > I have few queries. > 1. Are lalkitab updayas permanent? > 2. What if somebody wants to reverse the upayas > 3. How do you Validate that an upaya will have be beneficial long > term. > 4. Where do I validate the updaya given to me. > > Regards > Vivek > Hi Vivek 1. I am sure the upayas are permanent for that particular situation and that temporal frame work, which is a web of time space attitude confidebce etc, but changing positions of the planets can play havoc wuth our motives itself ! 2. I do not think that we can reverse an Upaya unless its original intention had been negatuve 3. whatever very little i know the upayas are like taking a long walk when we get very angry etc, so there is nothing that is not permanent or permanent about them. if an upay healed or helped you at some time it was valid for that time and space framework and definitely some other upay can make you better in the present framework if not that one- this time you are drinking a glass of water instead of taking that walk when angry!! 4.i do not think that you can get any meaningful validation from anywhere except from within you !! however the best upay that i have ever come across is surrendering our inability to act in a situation at the feet of Guru/God. even this will take a bit of practice as we tend to complicate things which are very simple !! all the best achut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Respected achut ji, excellent advice. With such learning which i believe u aquired through ur journey on the path of meditation under guidance from an able and competent guru. Why don't u come forward to guide us regularly. Regards. Kulbir. On 2/7/09, achut.kuchi <achut.kuchi wrote: > lalkitab , " jyotish_mail " <jyotish_mail > wrote: >> >> Dear Members, >> >> I would like to get some clarity on remedies. >> >> Around 5 yrs back I performed a few some lalkitab remedies as >> suggested by some known expert in Lalkitab. >> >> Things seems to improve and life seemed to show some pace. >> >> This year I am discussed the same remedies with another Lalkitab >> expert and he gave me a different point of view about the Remedies. >> >> Currently I have facing starting of severe health problems and my >> stamina for work has reduced drastically. >> >> I have few queries. >> 1. Are lalkitab updayas permanent? >> 2. What if somebody wants to reverse the upayas >> 3. How do you Validate that an upaya will have be beneficial long >> term. >> 4. Where do I validate the updaya given to me. >> >> Regards >> Vivek >> > Hi Vivek > > 1. I am sure the upayas are permanent for that particular situation > and that temporal frame work, which is a web of time space attitude > confidebce etc, but changing positions of the planets can play havoc > wuth our motives itself ! > 2. I do not think that we can reverse an Upaya unless its original > intention had been negatuve > 3. whatever very little i know the upayas are like taking a long > walk when we get very angry etc, so there is nothing that is not > permanent or permanent about them. if an upay healed or helped you > at some time it was valid for that time and space framework and > definitely some other upay can make you better in the present > framework if not that one- this time you are drinking a glass of > water instead of taking that walk when angry!! > 4.i do not think that you can get any meaningful validation from > anywhere except from within you !! > > however the best upay that i have ever come across is surrendering > our inability to act in a situation at the feet of Guru/God. even > this will take a bit of practice as we tend to complicate things > which are very simple !! all the best > > achut > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 lalkitab , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Respected achut ji, excellent advice. With such learning which i > believe u aquired through ur journey on the path of meditation under > guidance from an able and competent guru. Why don't u come forward to > guide us regularly. Regards. Kulbir. > > On 2/7/09, achut.kuchi <achut.kuchi wrote: > > lalkitab , " jyotish_mail " <jyotish_mail@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Members, > >> > >> I would like to get some clarity on remedies. > >> > >> Around 5 yrs back I performed a few some lalkitab remedies as > >> suggested by some known expert in Lalkitab. > >> > >> Things seems to improve and life seemed to show some pace. > >> > >> This year I am discussed the same remedies with another Lalkitab > >> expert and he gave me a different point of view about the Remedies. > >> > >> Currently I have facing starting of severe health problems and my > >> stamina for work has reduced drastically. > >> > >> I have few queries. > >> 1. Are lalkitab updayas permanent? > >> 2. What if somebody wants to reverse the upayas > >> 3. How do you Validate that an upaya will have be beneficial long > >> term. > >> 4. Where do I validate the updaya given to me. > >> > >> Regards > >> Vivek > >> > > Hi Vivek > > > > 1. I am sure the upayas are permanent for that particular situation > > and that temporal frame work, which is a web of time space attitude > > confidebce etc, but changing positions of the planets can play havoc > > wuth our motives itself ! > > 2. I do not think that we can reverse an Upaya unless its original > > intention had been negatuve > > 3. whatever very little i know the upayas are like taking a long > > walk when we get very angry etc, so there is nothing that is not > > permanent or permanent about them. if an upay healed or helped you > > at some time it was valid for that time and space framework and > > definitely some other upay can make you better in the present > > framework if not that one- this time you are drinking a glass of > > water instead of taking that walk when angry!! > > 4.i do not think that you can get any meaningful validation from > > anywhere except from within you !! > > > > however the best upay that i have ever come across is surrendering > > our inability to act in a situation at the feet of Guru/God. even > > this will take a bit of practice as we tend to complicate things > > which are very simple !! all the best > > > > achut > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device >Dera Kulbir and all I am sure that to get technical clarifications on the lal kitaab as a study whether for personal use or out of curiosity or interest=- will not be very difficult. it is another matter that this advice might be apaid service from some one who has studied it and has been practicing for long. one thing is however clear the lal kitaab is in a sense like the Yi King( I-Ching) and Rama Agnya Prashna of Tulsidas- both require a deep seated respect for the book. this respect is important in a technical sense too, not just mumbo jumbo and lighting lamps agarbatti's etc !! the respect is in the complete unswering faith that the result or the outcome of the reading or consultation is and will be good for me and that in case it is negative in tone it is what is good for me at this time, like a small scar is better than getting burnt fully!!. once a wholesome respect is developed the technicalities of houses and planets etc become only the alphabets of understanding rather than some forces which cannot be overcome!!I feel that the upaays are in fact the words and sentences resulting from the juxtaposition of the planets and houses which are the alphabet!! What actually a planet or ahouse inheir peculiar positions do, is, they take our ability to think and perform in a particular manner in a given circumstance, which eventualy leads to mistakes and losses, troubles etc. in the case of ill health also it is true and deep reflection with faith on the upaay rather than who suggested it will reveal the truth to the concerned person. I feel, in intances where the upaay has not produced the desired reult the reason is defintely not the wrong method of doing etc, but either a casula or fearful attitude-both are useless.It is actualy the emotion and imagination whch are the driving forces,not the objects!! I am sure that if we can do a specific difficult upay(like going to a river when you live in the desert!) even as mental excercize but with our emotion in it then it will give the desired result. the only other way is to do it like a total Gavaanr! without knowing,understanding- just do it and forget it -do not even wait for the results or pray for them- just do what you have to. all the best guys achut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 dear vivek ji, whatever knowledge i have will try to answer your queries. first of all i will tellyou that in lk theory, there are two type of upaya, one is for your birth chart which are permanant in nature, and second one is on the basis of year chart wise (vershphal). i) birth chart, there are two types of planet in chart, one for which results are fixed (Greh phal waley) like saturn in 10th house etc etc. for these types of planet no upayas are available in system. you have to live with these planets results. second one are rashi phal waley where it says you can take advantage of Benifit of doubts.i.e saturn in 9th house. now we have follow this, first of all we should do upayas of our birth chart(only for rashi phal waley), like sun in 8th raat to chuley ki aag dhoodh se bujhai jayey, or burning of copper coin for whole night and next day morning throwing that coin in river etc etc.... these upaya for rashi phal waley greh only. secondly we should do upayas of our vershphal, (year chart) this the main nerve of system, ==let me explain you, say sat is in 10th house in birth chart which is mooltrikonast and is of greh phal means u donot require any upaya for this. know if in vershphal it come is house no 8 then u must be requiring upaya to control its bad effect. majority of problems lies in vershphal as it is an temporary factor of one year and 43 days. next there are plenty of reasons where your good stars also start giving bad results, like if sat is good but persons drinks alcohal, or your moon is good but you give charity of milk etc. or sun in 11th house but person eat non veg etc etc. for these type of problem where the star was good but it is giving bad effect due to your kerma lk recomment theory of " pitr rin " . getting confuse, let me tell you last thing. LK says you cannot completly change the effect of your stars either you make your self strong to fight its bad effect or you change your route so you cannot come face to face with problem, One more thing the bhed of LK lies in itself only. say one persons birth chart says that he cannot have male child, " i said birth chart " , then search for his year chart (vershphal) and find out in which year ketu is well placed and it can bless the jatak with male child, becaus LK says...burey phal ko tabdeel kerna insani taquat ke bahar hoga perantoo...... i feel u r getting confused, it is an open forum you can ask questions lot of learned guru are here who will help u out Ker bhal to ho bhal ant bhaley ka bhala. regards, Leekha lalkitab , " jyotish_mail " <jyotish_mail wrote: > > Dear Members, > > I would like to get some clarity on remedies. > > Around 5 yrs back I performed a few some lalkitab remedies as > suggested by some known expert in Lalkitab. > > Things seems to improve and life seemed to show some pace. > > This year I am discussed the same remedies with another Lalkitab > expert and he gave me a different point of view about the Remedies. > > Currently I have facing starting of severe health problems and my > stamina for work has reduced drastically. > > I have few queries. > 1. Are lalkitab updayas permanent? > 2. What if somebody wants to reverse the upayas > 3. How do you Validate that an upaya will have be beneficial long > term. > 4. Where do I validate the updaya given to me. > > Regards > Vivek > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Shri Leekhas ji, very beautiful. U have conveyed the jist of lalkitab methodology in just a few lines. With due respect. Kulbir. On 2/14/09, sleekhas <sleekhas wrote: > dear vivek ji, > > whatever knowledge i have will try to answer your queries. > > first of all i will tellyou that in lk theory, > > there are two type of upaya, one is for your birth chart which are > permanant in nature, and second one is on the basis of year chart > wise (vershphal). > > i) birth chart, there are two types of planet in chart, one for > which results are fixed (Greh phal waley) like saturn in 10th house > etc etc. for these types of planet no upayas are available in > system. you have to live with these planets results. > > second one are rashi phal waley where it says you can take advantage > of Benifit of doubts.i.e saturn in 9th house. > > now we have follow this, > > first of all we should do upayas of our birth chart(only for rashi > phal waley), like sun in 8th raat to chuley ki aag dhoodh se bujhai > jayey, or burning of copper coin for whole night and next day > morning throwing that coin in river etc etc.... these upaya for > rashi phal waley greh only. > > > secondly we should do upayas of our vershphal, (year chart) > > this the main nerve of system, > > ==let me explain you, say sat is in 10th house in birth chart which > is mooltrikonast and is of greh phal means u donot require any upaya > for this. know if in vershphal it come is house no 8 then u must be > requiring upaya to control its bad effect. > > majority of problems lies in vershphal as it is an temporary factor > of one year and 43 days. > > next there are plenty of reasons where your good stars also start > giving bad results, > > like if sat is good but persons drinks alcohal, or your moon is good > but you give charity of milk etc. or sun in 11th house but person > eat non veg etc etc. > > for these type of problem where the star was good but it is giving > bad effect due to your kerma lk recomment theory of " pitr rin " . > > getting confuse, let me tell you last thing. > > LK says you cannot completly change the effect of your stars either > you make your self strong to fight its bad effect or you change your > route so you cannot come face to face with problem, > > One more thing the bhed of LK lies in itself only. > > say one persons birth chart says that he cannot have male child, " i > said birth chart " , then search for his year chart (vershphal) and > find out in which year ketu is well placed and it can bless the > jatak with male child, becaus LK says...burey phal ko tabdeel kerna > insani taquat ke bahar hoga perantoo...... > > i feel u r getting confused, it is an open forum you can ask > questions lot of learned guru are here who will help u out > > Ker bhal to ho bhal ant bhaley ka bhala. > > regards, > Leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " jyotish_mail " <jyotish_mail > wrote: >> >> Dear Members, >> >> I would like to get some clarity on remedies. >> >> Around 5 yrs back I performed a few some lalkitab remedies as >> suggested by some known expert in Lalkitab. >> >> Things seems to improve and life seemed to show some pace. >> >> This year I am discussed the same remedies with another Lalkitab >> expert and he gave me a different point of view about the Remedies. >> >> Currently I have facing starting of severe health problems and my >> stamina for work has reduced drastically. >> >> I have few queries. >> 1. Are lalkitab updayas permanent? >> 2. What if somebody wants to reverse the upayas >> 3. How do you Validate that an upaya will have be beneficial long >> term. >> 4. Where do I validate the updaya given to me. >> >> Regards >> Vivek >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 thanks sLeekha Jee, Achut Jee, Kubir and other learned members, I would like to thank the learned memebers who cam forward to respond to my query and concern. I am feeling better and things are coming back in shape. All the upapay had been dont with Sincerety and right frame of mind. It just becuase of ill health and transitory planetory influence that I was having issues. I think mail written by both sleekha jee and Achut needs to be resent to remind the members again and again. The right frame of mind is most important in doing the upaya then how much importance does the physical/materials used in the upaya have.? May God to bless us all. Regards Vivek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Dear Shri Leekha Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam Thanks for explaining the basics of LK. So there are two types of Upaaya - one based on the birth chart, and two based on the Varsh Phal. Leekha Ji, one question here - How would you explain the troubles continuing for about 10 years. Do they come under birth chart or Varsh Phal. As far I understand the meaning of Varsh Phal, it is for that particular year only - so with this meaning when an event continues for 10 years it cannot be the result of Varsh Phal. Now remains the birth chart. Do you mean that a bad planet in birth chart affects somebody at a particular time of his life? such as from his age 40 onwards continually? Thanks for explaining again With regards Sushma lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas wrote: > > dear vivek ji, > > whatever knowledge i have will try to answer your queries. > > first of all i will tellyou that in lk theory, > > there are two type of upaya, one is for your birth chart which are > permanant in nature, and second one is on the basis of year chart > wise (vershphal). > > i) birth chart, there are two types of planet in chart, one for > which results are fixed (Greh phal waley) like saturn in 10th house > etc etc. for these types of planet no upayas are available in > system. you have to live with these planets results. > > second one are rashi phal waley where it says you can take advantage > of Benifit of doubts.i.e saturn in 9th house. > > now we have follow this, > > first of all we should do upayas of our birth chart(only for rashi > phal waley), like sun in 8th raat to chuley ki aag dhoodh se bujhai > jayey, or burning of copper coin for whole night and next day > morning throwing that coin in river etc etc.... these upaya for > rashi phal waley greh only. > > > secondly we should do upayas of our vershphal, (year chart) > > this the main nerve of system, > > ==let me explain you, say sat is in 10th house in birth chart which > is mooltrikonast and is of greh phal means u donot require any upaya > for this. know if in vershphal it come is house no 8 then u must be > requiring upaya to control its bad effect. > > majority of problems lies in vershphal as it is an temporary factor > of one year and 43 days. > > next there are plenty of reasons where your good stars also start > giving bad results, > > like if sat is good but persons drinks alcohal, or your moon is good > but you give charity of milk etc. or sun in 11th house but person > eat non veg etc etc. > > for these type of problem where the star was good but it is giving > bad effect due to your kerma lk recomment theory of " pitr rin " . > > getting confuse, let me tell you last thing. > > LK says you cannot completly change the effect of your stars either > you make your self strong to fight its bad effect or you change your > route so you cannot come face to face with problem, > > One more thing the bhed of LK lies in itself only. > > say one persons birth chart says that he cannot have male child, " i > said birth chart " , then search for his year chart (vershphal) and > find out in which year ketu is well placed and it can bless the > jatak with male child, becaus LK says...burey phal ko tabdeel kerna > insani taquat ke bahar hoga perantoo...... > > i feel u r getting confused, it is an open forum you can ask > questions lot of learned guru are here who will help u out > > Ker bhal to ho bhal ant bhaley ka bhala. > > regards, > Leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " jyotish_mail " <jyotish_mail@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I would like to get some clarity on remedies. > > > > Around 5 yrs back I performed a few some lalkitab remedies as > > suggested by some known expert in Lalkitab. > > > > Things seems to improve and life seemed to show some pace. > > > > This year I am discussed the same remedies with another Lalkitab > > expert and he gave me a different point of view about the Remedies. > > > > Currently I have facing starting of severe health problems and my > > stamina for work has reduced drastically. > > > > I have few queries. > > 1. Are lalkitab updayas permanent? > > 2. What if somebody wants to reverse the upayas > > 3. How do you Validate that an upaya will have be beneficial long > > term. > > 4. Where do I validate the updaya given to me. > > > > Regards > > Vivek > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 dear sushma ji, the theory is very clear and simple, i.e. person born with disformity (birth chart) no upaya available for this. only few khuda hakiki taqatey isko badal sakti hai jisey pandit ji ne rekha mein mekh lagana keha hai. person have chances of disformity (vershphal) upayas are their for these kind of things (rashi phal), if disformity happens due to vershphal its impact will last long, to lowers its impact or giving strenth to body to fight this curse the upayas are available. the bad planet in birth chart will give its worst effects in its life term i.e. budh upto 34 sat upto 36 rahu upto 42 ketu upto 48 etc etc. regards, leekha lalkitab , " Sushma Gupta " <sushmajee wrote: > > Dear Shri Leekha Ji > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Thanks for explaining the basics of LK. So there are two types of > Upaaya - one based on the birth chart, and two based on the Varsh > Phal. > > Leekha Ji, one question here - How would you explain the troubles > continuing for about 10 years. Do they come under birth chart or > Varsh Phal. As far I understand the meaning of Varsh Phal, it is for > that particular year only - so with this meaning when an event > continues for 10 years it cannot be the result of Varsh Phal. > > Now remains the birth chart. Do you mean that a bad planet in birth > chart affects somebody at a particular time of his life? such as from > his age 40 onwards continually? > > Thanks for explaining again > With regards > Sushma > > > > lalkitab , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > dear vivek ji, > > > > whatever knowledge i have will try to answer your queries. > > > > first of all i will tellyou that in lk theory, > > > > there are two type of upaya, one is for your birth chart which are > > permanant in nature, and second one is on the basis of year chart > > wise (vershphal). > > > > i) birth chart, there are two types of planet in chart, one for > > which results are fixed (Greh phal waley) like saturn in 10th house > > etc etc. for these types of planet no upayas are available in > > system. you have to live with these planets results. > > > > second one are rashi phal waley where it says you can take > advantage > > of Benifit of doubts.i.e saturn in 9th house. > > > > now we have follow this, > > > > first of all we should do upayas of our birth chart(only for rashi > > phal waley), like sun in 8th raat to chuley ki aag dhoodh se bujhai > > jayey, or burning of copper coin for whole night and next day > > morning throwing that coin in river etc etc.... these upaya for > > rashi phal waley greh only. > > > > > > secondly we should do upayas of our vershphal, (year chart) > > > > this the main nerve of system, > > > > ==let me explain you, say sat is in 10th house in birth chart which > > is mooltrikonast and is of greh phal means u donot require any > upaya > > for this. know if in vershphal it come is house no 8 then u must be > > requiring upaya to control its bad effect. > > > > majority of problems lies in vershphal as it is an temporary factor > > of one year and 43 days. > > > > next there are plenty of reasons where your good stars also start > > giving bad results, > > > > like if sat is good but persons drinks alcohal, or your moon is > good > > but you give charity of milk etc. or sun in 11th house but person > > eat non veg etc etc. > > > > for these type of problem where the star was good but it is giving > > bad effect due to your kerma lk recomment theory of " pitr rin " . > > > > getting confuse, let me tell you last thing. > > > > LK says you cannot completly change the effect of your stars either > > you make your self strong to fight its bad effect or you change > your > > route so you cannot come face to face with problem, > > > > One more thing the bhed of LK lies in itself only. > > > > say one persons birth chart says that he cannot have male child, " i > > said birth chart " , then search for his year chart (vershphal) and > > find out in which year ketu is well placed and it can bless the > > jatak with male child, becaus LK says...burey phal ko tabdeel kerna > > insani taquat ke bahar hoga perantoo...... > > > > i feel u r getting confused, it is an open forum you can ask > > questions lot of learned guru are here who will help u out > > > > Ker bhal to ho bhal ant bhaley ka bhala. > > > > regards, > > Leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " jyotish_mail " <jyotish_mail@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I would like to get some clarity on remedies. > > > > > > Around 5 yrs back I performed a few some lalkitab remedies as > > > suggested by some known expert in Lalkitab. > > > > > > Things seems to improve and life seemed to show some pace. > > > > > > This year I am discussed the same remedies with another Lalkitab > > > expert and he gave me a different point of view about the > Remedies. > > > > > > Currently I have facing starting of severe health problems and my > > > stamina for work has reduced drastically. > > > > > > I have few queries. > > > 1. Are lalkitab updayas permanent? > > > 2. What if somebody wants to reverse the upayas > > > 3. How do you Validate that an upaya will have be beneficial long > > > term. > > > 4. Where do I validate the updaya given to me. > > > > > > Regards > > > Vivek > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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