Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 dear harinder singh ji first of all thanks for your contibution. reply for your query, what is bad or who is bad, by karma or acharan who ever is bad means bad. i give u one example ek sadhu sanan ker reha tha usney dekha ki ek bichoo pani mein doob reha hai usney usko utaha key nadi se bahar nikalna chaha per bichoo ney usey kaat liya, paranto sadhu ne usey phir utahat aur nadi key bahar rekh diya ek bachey ney yeh sab dekha aur poocha baba jab bichoo aap ko kaat reha tha to apney usey bahar keyon nikala, then sadhu said, beta uska dharam katna hai woh kateyga paranto mere dharam to bachana hai. regards, leekha lalkitab , Harinder Singh <harinder777 wrote: > > > Dear All > > > > The first paragraph written by Sri Leekhaji: > > > > The Bhihadrayaka Upanishad has said somethimg similar which was put into simple words by Swami Sivananda: > > > > Sow a thought, Reap an Action, > > Sow an action, Reap a Habit, > > Sow a Habit, Reap a Character, > > Sow a Character, Reap a Destiny > > > In other words, what we think, what we speak & the way we perform actions with our hands (karma is mainly performed with hands, this is why palmistry is a major astrological discipline because the hand records the karma you are performing & what the brain keeps thinking) determines our future. Based on our actions of past lives, we have been given an environment to further refine our experience & to strive to realise our highest ideals. Astrology is meant to define & unravel the purpose of this lifetime we are presently living - our prarabdh karma. Lal Kitab helps us live this by guiding us to live & develop healthy habits, have positive mental thoughts, speak positive words & perform karmas (donations etc.) which help us lead an obstacle free life. > > > > The second paragraph written by Sri Leekhaji: > > > > We understand that the a person has been given a certain fixed number of breaths as per his birth chart. This is why the smallest division of the Vimshottari Dasa System has been called Prana Dasha. The time & date & place of Death has been kept a secret by the divine. Only if all these conditions are fulfilled does a person meet his death. All these preconditions are fulfilled as per the karma performed by each person. When we predict the death of a person, we are foreclosing his account in this world & are interfering in that person's karmic journey. That persons thoughts will get concentrated on his death causing him to ignore the performance of those karmas which he would have otherwise performed before departing. This amounts to interference in that persons karmic journey & causing the astrologer to pick up all that persons unresolved & unperformed karma which the astrologer is forced to digest. The liver of the astrologer is unable to take this additional load leading to diseases of the skin & blood (both the skin & the blood are kept healthy by the liver). Similar results happen when an astrologer gives the sex of the child & it results in the parents aborting the child in the womb or even these parents starting a new thought pattern towards the unborn child which influences the thoughts & destiny of the child unnaturally. Which is why the mother is advised to be living in a stress free & positive environment during pregnancy. Even doctors who offer sex determination through ultrasound run the same risk. > > > > Question to Sri Leekhaji: We have to take care of bad people?? Does this statement imply we donate various items & generally help people who have bad habits or persons who are involved in bad activities ?? If this is so, then I understand that by helping such persons we are performing the remedy of protecting ourselves from the negative effects of planets which are liable to affect us in the future. Of course, this has to be done intelligently without becoming friends or coming too close to such persons. Otherwise, we tend to take on their qualities. This work should be done in a disconnected way. > > > > The rest seems to be self-explanatory. > > > > Please excuse me if I have said something wrong or have interfered in the teaching process. My purpose is to contribute & not challange. > > > > I appreciate & commend Sri Leekhaji & the other teachers for giving their valuable time. > > > > Best regards > > > > Harinder Singh > > > lalkitab > sleekhas > Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:49:35 +0000 > [lalkitab] Lal Kitab series post 1 (pratham) > > > > > > Dear All > > here it says, > > every person's fate and destiny is fixed which is written by almighty, and this writing is defined by one's own deeds, and there is no dispute between thinking (budh) and fate (jupiter) > > when the destiny was written it was in silent mode, the time and date of death has kept secret, and it has told to take care of bad peoples, it has also told not to disclose the gender of child who is in womb. > > it says that this method will make u able to tell the gender of child and date and time of death but u should not tell this, and disclosing this will result in skin problem on u. this is any methamtics not any jadoo or dawa khudai. > it is an method of protection not of attack on others. this like that if there is any hurdle in income flow, it will try to remove that hurdle but it cannot increase inflow flow or income qty. > ii) the cover of this book should be of red (dull red blood colour cloths) > > iii)it says u just read this book like novel it will disclose its own hidden things. > > iv) befor doing any thing thinking of it result will not he helpfull at all. > > v) donot mutilate it words and meanings. > > vi) you must know how to draw a horoscope. seeing own hand or horoscope will be main hurdle in under standing this book. > > vii) the correctore will be friend of yours. > > viii) keep ur self away from discussing other methods demerits > > kar bahala to ho bhala > > regards, > leekha > > > > > > _______________ > > Green cities and the melting world > http://green.in.msn.com/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 dear harinder ji, first of all expecting something in return by doing something is totally different concept, and some times it results in frustration only. Even in bhagwat it has been told to do kerma donot expect the result. then only u can win, Even when sikander was dying his palm was open then only he under stood that he came empty hand and going empty hand. this the only kerma which will follow u, while helping in rescuing sita ji then has told him that he would the most respected soul in Kalyuga. the upayas or any type of daan is like this only u do it results will be there but u cannot judge the nature or quantum of it. it depends upon Shardha(respect) and Saburi(saber) let me tell u one story, when the mahabharta was inevitable then Arjun and at other end duryodhan has decided to meet krishan and ask for there help. krishna was at sleep, duryodhan reached early and set beside headside of krishna and was waiting for krishna to wake up, then arjun reached and he sat near to his feet. krishna wake up and he first saw arjun and asked him for his reason for coming, duryodahana got annoyed and said brother i came first and i want to be preferred, krishna said brother while wakening i seen arjun first because i was seeing my feet at that, but duryodahana didnot agreed, and was given what ever he asked from krishna, what he has asked whole sena of krishna which was given to him, and arjun got krishna, and results every body knows same with upyas if u do with respect without expecting any thing i can do wonders, otherwise......... u keep on searching keep on searchin. log kehtey hai DAIN HAAR KOI AUR HAI DEWAT HAI DIN RAIN LOG BHERAM MO PEY KERAT TATEY NICHEY NAIN Regards, leekha lalkitab , Harinder Singh <harinder777 wrote: > > > Dear Leekhaji > > > > Thanks for reminding me about this story. Compassion is very important. Anybody who comes to ask for help must be given that help. This is Dharma - our eternal nature & duty as humans. However, compassion cannot be confused with sympathy. When we cry & sympathise with another we attract their situation & the negativities attached to this. All persons cannot practically understand the difference between compassion & sympathy & how to practically manage a negative situation. A person who is on the spiritual path & conversant with these fine points understands these. I know a person of your high calibre understands this. It is my fault that I did not explain my statement in detail. > > > > My warning is for those who seek help from the Lal Kitab practitioner. These persons who seek help are unaware of the dangers that exist in the world due to which they are already suffering & also do not know how to protect themselves from harm. My purpose is to tell them the state of mind they must keep when they perform the remedies given to them. This is to protect them from creating further hurdles for themselves. > > > > There is another story about a Guru teaching 2 of his students. One had understood what the Guru was teaching while the other despite the repeated attempts of the Guru did not understand. Finally, the Guru picked up his sandal & hurled it at the student who did not understand what the Guru was teaching. The Guru promptly picked up the second sandal & hurled it at the other student who had already understood the teaching of his Guru. Confused, the student who had understood asked why he was hit by the sandal?? The Guru promptly answered " since you were sitting with him, your influence on his mental block is equally to blame " . As they say " attae ke sath ghun be pista hain " . > > > > Some general points for better results for those who seek to perform Upayes: > > > > > Whenever donating some thing or offering in running water: please try to be bare foot while doing these. This re-enforces your connection with mother earth. Grounds the person performing the Upayes. > After performing these upayes, walk away from that place without looking back or conversing too much with the persons there. You are making an effort to release the negative karma from your destiny. Dont dilute this by involving the place of doing your upaye in other activities at that particular time. > > > I am just adding these points since I have found them to be giving better results to those I have advised in the past. > > I am sure, Leekhaji, you have your own experiences. Of course, you can accept or reject my views as per your experiences. I welcome your comments on these points. It will help me in developing myself further. > > > > Thank you for taking time to respond to my earlier comments. > > > > Best regards > > > > Harinder Singh > > > lalkitab > sleekhas > Wed, 3 Mar 2010 07:28:59 +0000 > [lalkitab] Re: Lal Kitab series post 1 (pratham)-harinder singh > > > > > > dear harinder singh ji > > first of all thanks for your contibution. > > reply for your query, > > what is bad or who is bad, > > by karma or acharan who ever is bad means bad. i give u one example > > ek sadhu sanan ker reha tha usney dekha ki ek bichoo pani mein doob reha hai usney usko utaha key nadi se bahar nikalna chaha per bichoo ney usey kaat liya, paranto sadhu ne usey phir utahat aur nadi key bahar rekh diya ek bachey ney yeh sab dekha aur poocha baba jab bichoo aap ko kaat reha tha to apney usey bahar keyon nikala, > > then sadhu said, beta uska dharam katna hai woh kateyga paranto mere dharam to bachana hai. > > regards, > leekha > > lalkitab , Harinder Singh <harinder777@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > The first paragraph written by Sri Leekhaji: > > > > > > > > The Bhihadrayaka Upanishad has said somethimg similar which was put into simple words by Swami Sivananda: > > > > > > > > Sow a thought, Reap an Action, > > > > Sow an action, Reap a Habit, > > > > Sow a Habit, Reap a Character, > > > > Sow a Character, Reap a Destiny > > > > > > In other words, what we think, what we speak & the way we perform actions with our hands (karma is mainly performed with hands, this is why palmistry is a major astrological discipline because the hand records the karma you are performing & what the brain keeps thinking) determines our future. Based on our actions of past lives, we have been given an environment to further refine our experience & to strive to realise our highest ideals. Astrology is meant to define & unravel the purpose of this lifetime we are presently living - our prarabdh karma. Lal Kitab helps us live this by guiding us to live & develop healthy habits, have positive mental thoughts, speak positive words & perform karmas (donations etc.) which help us lead an obstacle free life. > > > > > > > > The second paragraph written by Sri Leekhaji: > > > > > > > > We understand that the a person has been given a certain fixed number of breaths as per his birth chart. This is why the smallest division of the Vimshottari Dasa System has been called Prana Dasha. The time & date & place of Death has been kept a secret by the divine. Only if all these conditions are fulfilled does a person meet his death. All these preconditions are fulfilled as per the karma performed by each person. When we predict the death of a person, we are foreclosing his account in this world & are interfering in that person's karmic journey. That persons thoughts will get concentrated on his death causing him to ignore the performance of those karmas which he would have otherwise performed before departing. This amounts to interference in that persons karmic journey & causing the astrologer to pick up all that persons unresolved & unperformed karma which the astrologer is forced to digest. The liver of the astrologer is unable to take this additional load leading to diseases of the skin & blood (both the skin & the blood are kept healthy by the liver). Similar results happen when an astrologer gives the sex of the child & it results in the parents aborting the child in the womb or even these parents starting a new thought pattern towards the unborn child which influences the thoughts & destiny of the child unnaturally. Which is why the mother is advised to be living in a stress free & positive environment during pregnancy. Even doctors who offer sex determination through ultrasound run the same risk. > > > > > > > > Question to Sri Leekhaji: We have to take care of bad people?? Does this statement imply we donate various items & generally help people who have bad habits or persons who are involved in bad activities ?? If this is so, then I understand that by helping such persons we are performing the remedy of protecting ourselves from the negative effects of planets which are liable to affect us in the future. Of course, this has to be done intelligently without becoming friends or coming too close to such persons. Otherwise, we tend to take on their qualities. This work should be done in a disconnected way. > > > > > > > > The rest seems to be self-explanatory. > > > > > > > > Please excuse me if I have said something wrong or have interfered in the teaching process. My purpose is to contribute & not challange. > > > > > > > > I appreciate & commend Sri Leekhaji & the other teachers for giving their valuable time. > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > > Harinder Singh > > > > > > lalkitab > > sleekhas@ > > Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:49:35 +0000 > > [lalkitab] Lal Kitab series post 1 (pratham) > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > here it says, > > > > every person's fate and destiny is fixed which is written by almighty, and this writing is defined by one's own deeds, and there is no dispute between thinking (budh) and fate (jupiter) > > > > when the destiny was written it was in silent mode, the time and date of death has kept secret, and it has told to take care of bad peoples, it has also told not to disclose the gender of child who is in womb. > > > > it says that this method will make u able to tell the gender of child and date and time of death but u should not tell this, and disclosing this will result in skin problem on u. this is any methamtics not any jadoo or dawa khudai. > > it is an method of protection not of attack on others. this like that if there is any hurdle in income flow, it will try to remove that hurdle but it cannot increase inflow flow or income qty. > > ii) the cover of this book should be of red (dull red blood colour cloths) > > > > iii)it says u just read this book like novel it will disclose its own hidden things. > > > > iv) befor doing any thing thinking of it result will not he helpfull at all. > > > > v) donot mutilate it words and meanings. > > > > vi) you must know how to draw a horoscope. seeing own hand or horoscope will be main hurdle in under standing this book. > > > > vii) the correctore will be friend of yours. > > > > viii) keep ur self away from discussing other methods demerits > > > > kar bahala to ho bhala > > > > regards, > > leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > Green cities and the melting world > > http://green.in.msn.com/ > _______________ > Fight for the top Test spot > http://sports.in.msn.com/cricket/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Dear Shri Leekhaji I am coversant with the story in the Mahabharat. I am only saying each person's awareness & level of spiritual development is different & the knowledge passed on by a teacher to his student or to one who is seeking help should be revealed step by step as this students understanding about life & dharma matures. Arjun was mature enough to understand this, but not Duryodhana (actually his name was Suyodhana - one who is a master of battle, but after the battle of Mahabharat it got changed to Duryodhana) meaning thereby they were of differing maturities. The higher truths are revealed with time & maturity. After all a child in class 1 cannot be compared toa college student. Thank you for engaging in this conversation. The purpose is to benefit the readers. Going further will defeat the purpose of this forum - discussion & learning of the Lal Kitab. I commend you for your valuable insights & the help you continue to provide to those who seek help with their life problems & students alike. Best regards Harinder Singh lalkitab From: sleekhasDate: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 09:59:57 +0000[lalkitab] Re: Lal Kitab series post 1 (pratham)-harinder singh dear harinder ji,first of all expecting something in return by doing something is totally different concept, and some times it results in frustration only. Even in bhagwat it has been told to do kerma donot expect the result. then only u can win,Even when sikander was dying his palm was open then only he under stood that he came empty hand and going empty hand. this the only kerma which will follow u, while helping in rescuing sita ji then has told him that he would the most respected soul in Kalyuga.the upayas or any type of daan is like this only u do it results will be there but u cannot judge the nature or quantum of it. it depends upon Shardha(respect) and Saburi(saber)let me tell u one story,when the mahabharta was inevitable then Arjun and at other end duryodhan has decided to meet krishan and ask for there help.krishna was at sleep, duryodhan reached early and set beside headside of krishna and was waiting for krishna to wake up, then arjun reached and he sat near to his feet.krishna wake up and he first saw arjun and asked him for his reason for coming, duryodahana got annoyed and said brother i came first and i want to be preferred, krishna said brother while wakening i seen arjun first because i was seeing my feet at that, but duryodahana didnot agreed, and was given what ever he asked from krishna, what he has asked whole sena of krishna which was given to him, and arjun got krishna, and results every body knowssame with upyas if u do with respect without expecting any thing i can do wonders, otherwise......... u keep on searching keep on searchin.log kehtey haiDAIN HAAR KOI AUR HAI DEWAT HAI DIN RAINLOG BHERAM MO PEY KERATTATEY NICHEY NAINRegards,leekhalalkitab , Harinder Singh <harinder777 wrote:>> > Dear Leekhaji> > > > Thanks for reminding me about this story. Compassion is very important. Anybody who comes to ask for help must be given that help. This is Dharma - our eternal nature & duty as humans. However, compassion cannot be confused with sympathy. When we cry & sympathise with another we attract their situation & the negativities attached to this. All persons cannot practically understand the difference between compassion & sympathy & how to practically manage a negative situation. A person who is on the spiritual path & conversant with these fine points understands these. I know a person of your high calibre understands this. It is my fault that I did not explain my statement in detail. > > > > My warning is for those who seek help from the Lal Kitab practitioner. These persons who seek help are unaware of the dangers that exist in the world due to which they are already suffering & also do not know how to protect themselves from harm. My purpose is to tell them the state of mind they must keep when they perform the remedies given to them. This is to protect them from creating further hurdles for themselves. > > > > There is another story about a Guru teaching 2 of his students. One had understood what the Guru was teaching while the other despite the repeated attempts of the Guru did not understand. Finally, the Guru picked up his sandal & hurled it at the student who did not understand what the Guru was teaching. The Guru promptly picked up the second sandal & hurled it at the other student who had already understood the teaching of his Guru. Confused, the student who had understood asked why he was hit by the sandal?? The Guru promptly answered "since you were sitting with him, your influence on his mental block is equally to blame". As they say "attae ke sath ghun be pista hain". > > > > Some general points for better results for those who seek to perform Upayes:> > > > > Whenever donating some thing or offering in running water: please try to be bare foot while doing these. This re-enforces your connection with mother earth. Grounds the person performing the Upayes.> After performing these upayes, walk away from that place without looking back or conversing too much with the persons there. You are making an effort to release the negative karma from your destiny. Dont dilute this by involving the place of doing your upaye in other activities at that particular time. > > > I am just adding these points since I have found them to be giving better results to those I have advised in the past. > > I am sure, Leekhaji, you have your own experiences. Of course, you can accept or reject my views as per your experiences. I welcome your comments on these points. It will help me in developing myself further.> > > > Thank you for taking time to respond to my earlier comments.> > > > Best regards> > > > Harinder Singh > > > lalkitab > sleekhas Wed, 3 Mar 2010 07:28:59 +0000> [lalkitab] Re: Lal Kitab series post 1 (pratham)-harinder singh> > > > > > dear harinder singh ji> > first of all thanks for your contibution.> > reply for your query,> > what is bad or who is bad,> > by karma or acharan who ever is bad means bad. i give u one example> > ek sadhu sanan ker reha tha usney dekha ki ek bichoo pani mein doob reha hai usney usko utaha key nadi se bahar nikalna chaha per bichoo ney usey kaat liya, paranto sadhu ne usey phir utahat aur nadi key bahar rekh diya ek bachey ney yeh sab dekha aur poocha baba jab bichoo aap ko kaat reha tha to apney usey bahar keyon nikala,> > then sadhu said, beta uska dharam katna hai woh kateyga paranto mere dharam to bachana hai.> > regards,> leekha > > lalkitab , Harinder Singh <harinder777@> wrote:> >> > > > Dear All> > > > > > > > The first paragraph written by Sri Leekhaji:> > > > > > > > The Bhihadrayaka Upanishad has said somethimg similar which was put into simple words by Swami Sivananda:> > > > > > > > Sow a thought, Reap an Action,> > > > Sow an action, Reap a Habit, > > > > Sow a Habit, Reap a Character, > > > > Sow a Character, Reap a Destiny> > > > > > In other words, what we think, what we speak & the way we perform actions with our hands (karma is mainly performed with hands, this is why palmistry is a major astrological discipline because the hand records the karma you are performing & what the brain keeps thinking) determines our future. Based on our actions of past lives, we have been given an environment to further refine our experience & to strive to realise our highest ideals. Astrology is meant to define & unravel the purpose of this lifetime we are presently living - our prarabdh karma. Lal Kitab helps us live this by guiding us to live & develop healthy habits, have positive mental thoughts, speak positive words & perform karmas (donations etc.) which help us lead an obstacle free life. > > > > > > > > The second paragraph written by Sri Leekhaji: > > > > > > > > We understand that the a person has been given a certain fixed number of breaths as per his birth chart. This is why the smallest division of the Vimshottari Dasa System has been called Prana Dasha. The time & date & place of Death has been kept a secret by the divine. Only if all these conditions are fulfilled does a person meet his death. All these preconditions are fulfilled as per the karma performed by each person. When we predict the death of a person, we are foreclosing his account in this world & are interfering in that person's karmic journey. That persons thoughts will get concentrated on his death causing him to ignore the performance of those karmas which he would have otherwise performed before departing. This amounts to interference in that persons karmic journey & causing the astrologer to pick up all that persons unresolved & unperformed karma which the astrologer is forced to digest. The liver of the astrologer is unable to take this additional load leading to diseases of the skin & blood (both the skin & the blood are kept healthy by the liver). Similar results happen when an astrologer gives the sex of the child & it results in the parents aborting the child in the womb or even these parents starting a new thought pattern towards the unborn child which influences the thoughts & destiny of the child unnaturally. Which is why the mother is advised to be living in a stress free & positive environment during pregnancy. Even doctors who offer sex determination through ultrasound run the same risk. > > > > > > > > Question to Sri Leekhaji: We have to take care of bad people?? Does this statement imply we donate various items & generally help people who have bad habits or persons who are involved in bad activities ?? If this is so, then I understand that by helping such persons we are performing the remedy of protecting ourselves from the negative effects of planets which are liable to affect us in the future. Of course, this has to be done intelligently without becoming friends or coming too close to such persons. Otherwise, we tend to take on their qualities. This work should be done in a disconnected way.> > > > > > > > The rest seems to be self-explanatory.> > > > > > > > Please excuse me if I have said something wrong or have interfered in the teaching process. My purpose is to contribute & not challange. > > > > > > > > I appreciate & commend Sri Leekhaji & the other teachers for giving their valuable time. > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > > Harinder Singh > > > > > > lalkitab > > sleekhas@> > Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:49:35 +0000> > [lalkitab] Lal Kitab series post 1 (pratham)> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All> > > > here it says,> > > > every person's fate and destiny is fixed which is written by almighty, and this writing is defined by one's own deeds, and there is no dispute between thinking (budh) and fate (jupiter)> > > > when the destiny was written it was in silent mode, the time and date of death has kept secret, and it has told to take care of bad peoples, it has also told not to disclose the gender of child who is in womb.> > > > it says that this method will make u able to tell the gender of child and date and time of death but u should not tell this, and disclosing this will result in skin problem on u. this is any methamtics not any jadoo or dawa khudai.> > it is an method of protection not of attack on others. this like that if there is any hurdle in income flow, it will try to remove that hurdle but it cannot increase inflow flow or income qty.> > ii) the cover of this book should be of red (dull red blood colour cloths)> > > > iii)it says u just read this book like novel it will disclose its own hidden things.> > > > iv) befor doing any thing thinking of it result will not he helpfull at all.> > > > v) donot mutilate it words and meanings.> > > > vi) you must know how to draw a horoscope. seeing own hand or horoscope will be main hurdle in under standing this book.> > > > vii) the correctore will be friend of yours.> > > > viii) keep ur self away from discussing other methods demerits> > > > kar bahala to ho bhala> > > > regards,> > leekha > > > > > > > > > > > > ________> > > > Green cities and the melting world> > http://green.in.msn.com/> >> > > > > > ________> Fight for the top Test spot> http://sports.in.msn.com/cricket/> Sena, Shah Rukh and the fight over Mumbai Sign up now. 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