Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 I stand corrected Sri Raichur ji, dhanyavaad; Gaurav In a message dated 4/26/2007 1:47:55 P.M. India Standard Time, raichurar writes: A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars. Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry I quote: "If a particular house is unoccupied and the constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results" My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the house becomes the significator of the house. This is for information of members.Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos. See what's free at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Sir, What about Cusps ?. a)In Leo Nativity if in the Natal Chart, Virgo is empty and Gemini is occupied by The Sun and Mercury, but again in the Cuspal Chart both the houses are empty, meaning both the 2nd Cusp and 11th Cusp (No intercepted Signs) belonging to Mercury are empty. The I would consider both the houses of Mercury as empty as per KP. Please correct me if I am wrong. b)In the same case above, if no Planet in Chart in Mercury's constellation, but Sun in Sub of Mercury, and Rahu in Sub-Sub of mercury, the should we consider both Sun and Rahu as strong significators of the 2nd and 11th Cusp in this birth Chart ? regards, Bhaskar. , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars. > > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry > I quote: " If a particular house is unoccupied and the constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results " > > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the house becomes the significator of the house. > > This is for information of members. > > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Mr.Raichur, Perhaps you refer to my mail...actually I had said Strongest significator...of that house... " If a house is unoccupied,the planet in the star of the lord of that house is the strongest significator of that house..." is what I had said... Thank you very much, With highest regards, L.Y.Rao. Raichur-a-r <raichurar Sent: Thursday, 26 April, 2007 1:47:12 PM significator A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars. Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry I quote: "If a particular house is unoccupied and the constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results" My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the house becomes the significator of the house. This is for information of members.Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos. SHOUT IT OUT! Tell everyone, from anywhere, that you're online on Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Dear Sri Raichur, On the basis of example chart (2-8-40, 0-45 a.m.), page 192, KP Reader IV, (None in 7. No planet in Mars star. Mars owns only 7th and not 12th. Moon is in the sub of Mars. Sub-lord of 7th is Saturn.) 1. Does it means Moon will offer the result of 7th as per the statement below? OR any other planet? Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry I quote: " If a particular house is unoccupied and the constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results " 2. Does it means Saturn becomes the significator of 7th as per the statement below? My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the house becomes the significator of the house. 3. Any relation between the statement in 2 and a common practice given below? Having no planet in its atar, the planet is a significator of houses for which the planet is cuspal sub-lord. In the above example no planet is in Saturn star and Saturn is sub-lord of 7th; and so Saturn is a significator of 7th. Thanks and regards, tw , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars. > > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry > I quote: " If a particular house is unoccupied and the constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results " > > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the house becomes the significator of the house. > > This is for information of members. > > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 good morning from sairaman 6 24 am 27th april 2007 chennaithank y sir for the nice clarification regardingtheeffective significatorsmay bethere are few planets in such conditions and they may have theeffective role in a natives life depending upon its relationi think such planets should be influencing more effectively in a horosocope through their life thank y sir Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars. Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry I quote: "If a particular house is unoccupied and the constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results" My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the house becomes the significator of the house. This is for information of members.Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Sri Raichur, In the context of 4 step theory, the applicability of the house owner giving resulte is restricted to primary significators only.ie. planets in own stars, or those acting as starlords without tenants. In the same theory, we add in the last step, star lord of the sublord of the planets ,significations. Will appreciate your kind clarification. Regards, Satish -- In , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > Dear Sri Raichur, > > On the basis of example chart (2-8-40, 0-45 a.m.), page 192, KP > Reader IV, > > (None in 7. No planet in Mars star. Mars owns only 7th and not 12th. > Moon is in the sub of Mars. Sub-lord of 7th is Saturn.) > > 1. Does it means Moon will offer the result of 7th as per the > statement below? OR any other planet? > > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry > I quote: " If a particular house is unoccupied and the > constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets > deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results " > > 2. Does it means Saturn becomes the significator of 7th as per the > statement below? > > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in > the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the > house becomes the significator of the house. > > 3. Any relation between the statement in 2 and a common practice > given below? > > Having no planet in its atar, the planet is a significator of houses > for which the planet is cuspal sub-lord. In the above example no > planet is in Saturn star and Saturn is sub-lord of 7th; and so > Saturn is a significator of 7th. > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the > significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars. > > > > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry > > I quote: " If a particular house is unoccupied and the > constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets > deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results " > > > > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in > the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the > house becomes the significator of the house. > > > > This is for information of members. > > > > > > Good Luck > > Raichur A R > > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Tinwin The rules and practice shown that the lord of the house does not become the significator of the house it owns,when the house is empty,(nO significators A or B) and there are no planets in its stars. Sig C blank, only D, the house owner remains as significator in the normal route. The rule on page 195 of Reader 4, and the practice, says when there is only a significator of Category D (A,B,C BLANK), then do not accept it, but accept planets which have the Sub as D. If there are no planets whose sublord is D, then sub-lord of the house itself becomes the significator. This is logical, since the sub-lord of cusps is said to govern matters of that house. The Lord of the house becomes only a source of the result. tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Sri Raichur,On the basis of example chart (2-8-40, 0-45 a.m.), page 192, KP Reader IV,(None in 7. No planet in Mars star. Mars owns only 7th and not 12th. Moon is in the sub of Mars. Sub-lord of 7th is Saturn.)1. Does it means Moon will offer the result of 7th as per the statement below? OR any other planet?Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querryI quote: "If a particular house is unoccupied and the constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results"2. Does it means Saturn becomes the significator of 7th as per the statement below?My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the house becomes the significator of the house.3. Any relation between the statement in 2 and a common practice given below?Having no planet in its atar, the planet is a significator of houses for which the planet is cuspal sub-lord. In the above example no planet is in Saturn star and Saturn is sub-lord of 7th; and so Saturn is a significator of 7th.Thanks and regards,tw , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars.> > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry> I quote: "If a particular house is unoccupied and the constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results"> > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the house becomes the significator of the house.> > This is for information of members.> > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account> > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check outnew cars at Autos.>Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Sri Raichur, I'm asking exact questions with a practical example and please kindly answer exactly with this examples what you've found and whst you're saying befote and only then we'll be able to discuss practically. Just statement by statement is not practical and helpful. Thanks and regards, tw , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Tinwin > The rules and practice shown that the lord of the house does not become the significator of the house it owns,when the house is empty, (nO significators A or B) and there are no planets in its stars. Sig C blank, only D, the house owner remains as significator in the normal route. The rule on page 195 of Reader 4, and the practice, says when there is only a significator of Category D (A,B,C BLANK), then do not accept it, but accept planets which have the Sub as D. If there are no planets whose sublord is D, then sub-lord of the house itself becomes the significator. This is logical, since the sub-lord of cusps is said to govern matters of that house. The Lord of the house becomes only a source of the result. > > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Sri Raichur, > > On the basis of example chart (2-8-40, 0-45 a.m.), page 192, KP > Reader IV, > > (None in 7. No planet in Mars star. Mars owns only 7th and not 12th. > Moon is in the sub of Mars. Sub-lord of 7th is Saturn.) > > 1. Does it means Moon will offer the result of 7th as per the > statement below? OR any other planet? > > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry > I quote: " If a particular house is unoccupied and the > constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets > deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results " > > 2. Does it means Saturn becomes the significator of 7th as per the > statement below? > > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in > the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the > house becomes the significator of the house. > > 3. Any relation between the statement in 2 and a common practice > given below? > > Having no planet in its atar, the planet is a significator of houses > for which the planet is cuspal sub-lord. In the above example no > planet is in Saturn star and Saturn is sub-lord of 7th; and so > Saturn is a significator of 7th. > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the > significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars. > > > > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry > > I quote: " If a particular house is unoccupied and the > constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets > deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results " > > > > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in > the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the > house becomes the significator of the house. > > > > This is for information of members. > > > > > > Good Luck > > Raichur A R > > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Dear mr. raichurji,In my daughter's horoscope,no planets in 1st house and, jup owning 1st, has no planets in its. star but ketu is in saggitarious,the 10th house.I suppose,only ketu,not jup.,will signify 1st house along with sat. and rahu in the sub of jup.Sat.is in 7th house,rahu is in the 4th house.will sat. rahu and ketu mould her personality?with regards,sujataRaichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Dear Tinwin The rules and practice shown that the lord of the house does not become the significator of the house it owns,when the house is empty,(nO significators A or B) and there are no planets in its stars. Sig C blank, only D, the house owner remains as significator in the normal route. The rule on page 195 of Reader 4, and the practice, says when there is only a significator of Category D (A,B,C BLANK), then do not accept it, but accept planets which have the Sub as D. If there are no planets whose sublord is D, then sub-lord of the house itself becomes the significator. This is logical, since the sub-lord of cusps is said to govern matters of that house. The Lord of the house becomes only a source of the result. tw853 <tw853 > wrote: Dear Sri Raichur,On the basis of example chart (2-8-40, 0-45 a.m.), page 192, KP Reader IV,(None in 7. No planet in Mars star. Mars owns only 7th and not 12th. Moon is in the sub of Mars. Sub-lord of 7th is Saturn.)1. Does it means Moon will offer the result of 7th as per the statement below? OR any other planet?Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querryI quote: "If a particular house is unoccupied and the constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results"2. Does it means Saturn becomes the significator of 7th as per the statement below?My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the house becomes the significator of the house.3. Any relation between the statement in 2 and a common practice given below?Having no planet in its atar, the planet is a significator of houses for which the planet is cuspal sub-lord. In the above example no planet is in Saturn star and Saturn is sub-lord of 7th; and so Saturn is a significator of 7th.Thanks and regards,tw , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars.> > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry> I quote: "If a particular house is unoccupied and the constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results"> > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the house becomes the significator of the house.> > This is for information of members.> > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account> > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check outnew cars at Autos.>Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. SHOUT IT OUT! Tell everyone, from anywhere, that you're online on Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Dear Bhaskar The moment you forget Traditional Asrology, you will be able to follow KP better. KP means CUSPS will govern the House, not the signs. So if both 2nd and 11th houses are vacant, as per KP chart, you have to consider them vacant. In the case there being no planets in Stars of Mercury i.e. Significators A,B,C are not there for houses 2 and 11. Then Sun whose sub is Mercury will signify both houses. Do not bring in SUB-SUB. This was not dealt with by K.S.K good luck Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Sir,What about Cusps ?. a)In Leo Nativity if in the Natal Chart, Virgo is emptyand Gemini is occupied by The Sun and Mercury, butagain in the Cuspal Chart both the houses are empty,meaning both the 2nd Cusp and 11th Cusp (No interceptedSigns) belonging to Mercury are empty.The I would consider both the houses ofMercury as empty as per KP. Please correct meif I am wrong.b)In the same case above, if no Planet in Chart inMercury's constellation, but Sun in Sub of Mercury,and Rahu in Sub-Sub of mercury, the should weconsider both Sun and Rahu as strong significators ofthe 2nd and 11th Cusp in this birth Chart ? regards,Bhaskar. , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars.> > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry> I quote: "If a particular house is unoccupied and the constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results"> > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the house becomes the significator of the house.> > This is for information of members.> > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account> > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check outnew cars at Autos.>Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Dear Shree Garauv Do not stand, please sit and ponderyobrevol wrote: I stand corrected Sri Raichur ji, dhanyavaad; Gaurav In a message dated 4/26/2007 1:47:55 P.M. India Standard Time, raichurar writes: A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars. Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry I quote: "If a particular house is unoccupied and the constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results" My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the house becomes the significator of the house. This is for information of members.Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos. See what's free at AOL.com. Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 As per the rule given, Moon whose sub-lord is Mars becomes a significator of 7th house.tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Sri Raichur,I'm asking exact questions with a practical example and please kindly answer exactly with this examples what you've found and whst you're saying befote and only then we'll be able to discuss practically. Just statement by statement is not practical and helpful.Thanks and regards,tw , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> Dear Tinwin> The rules and practice shown that the lord of the house does not become the significator of the house it owns,when the house is empty,(nO significators A or B) and there are no planets in its stars. Sig C blank, only D, the house owner remains as significator in the normal route. The rule on page 195 of Reader 4, and the practice, says when there is only a significator of Category D (A,B,C BLANK), then do not accept it, but accept planets which have the Sub as D. If there are no planets whose sublord is D, then sub-lord of the house itself becomes the significator. This is logical, since the sub-lord of cusps is said to govern matters of that house. The Lord of the house becomes only a source of the result.> > > tw853 <tw853 wrote:> Dear Sri Raichur,> > On the basis of example chart (2-8-40, 0-45 a.m.), page 192, KP > Reader IV,> > (None in 7. No planet in Mars star. Mars owns only 7th and not 12th. > Moon is in the sub of Mars. Sub-lord of 7th is Saturn.)> > 1. Does it means Moon will offer the result of 7th as per the > statement below? OR any other planet?> > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry> I quote: "If a particular house is unoccupied and the > constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets > deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results"> > 2. Does it means Saturn becomes the significator of 7th as per the > statement below?> > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in > the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the > house becomes the significator of the house.> > 3. Any relation between the statement in 2 and a common practice > given below?> > Having no planet in its atar, the planet is a significator of houses > for which the planet is cuspal sub-lord. In the above example no > planet is in Saturn star and Saturn is sub-lord of 7th; and so > Saturn is a significator of 7th.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote:> >> > A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the > significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars.> > > > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry> > I quote: "If a particular house is unoccupied and the > constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets > deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results"> > > > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in > the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the > house becomes the significator of the house.> > > > This is for information of members.> > > > > > Good Luck > > Raichur A R > > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account> > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> > Check outnew cars at Autos.> >> > > > > > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account> > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check outnew cars at Autos.>Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Namaste Raichur ji, that is also a good idea, but more pondering may lead to more questioning, up for it ? Gaurav In a message dated 4/28/2007 2:35:06 P.M. India Standard Time, lalkitab writes: Dear Raichur Ji,I didnt know you have such a wonderful sense of humour ! :)Rajeev k Khattar , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> Dear Shree Garauv> Do not stand, please sit and ponder> > yobrevol wrote:> I stand corrected Sri Raichur ji,> > dhanyavaad;> Gaurav> > > In a message dated 4/26/2007 1:47:55 P.M. India Standard Time, raichurar writes:> A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars.> > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry> I quote: "If a particular house is unoccupied and the constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results"> > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the house becomes the significator of the house.> > This is for information of members.> > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check out new cars at Autos. > > > > > > > > See what's free at AOL.com. > > > > > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account> > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check outnew cars at Autos.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Dear Raichur Ji, I didnt know you have such a wonderful sense of humour ! Rajeev k Khattar , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Shree Garauv > Do not stand, please sit and ponder > > yobrevol wrote: > I stand corrected Sri Raichur ji, > > dhanyavaad; > Gaurav > > > In a message dated 4/26/2007 1:47:55 P.M. India Standard Time, raichurar writes: > A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars. > > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry > I quote: " If a particular house is unoccupied and the constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results " > > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the house becomes the significator of the house. > > This is for information of members. > > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check out new cars at Autos. > See what's free at AOL.com. > > > > > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Sir, While respecting You, I beg to differ. KP is an offshoot of Traditional astrology, and one should not forget ones Father after one grows up. Whether one likes it or not, KP and Traditional are interlinked. In my Query to You, You have missed my point. I understood that if both houses are empty as per KP chart one should consider them empty. But, As per which KP Chart ? As per KP Lagna Chart or as per KP Cuspal Chart ? I asked that houses are not empty but Cusps are empty ? I mentioned that Gemini is not empty in the Natal Chart with leo ascendant but the Placidus Cuspal Chart of the same Natal Chart shows the 11th Cusp (lordship by Mercury)as empty. Then should we consider it as empty ? Sir now this is not for you, but for all KP followers- Because we are into Kp, does not mean we should look down upon Traditional. We still call the same names to Planets as per Traditional,all the houses in KP have same significations as per KP. All signs carry same traits in KP as per traditional. Even the aspects are as per traditional . What remains,only timings are more better signified and so are results, through association of figures representing the Cusps which are just calculated as per Placidus.Ultimately to polish the KP predictions one has to go back to the rules of Planets in signs given by Traditional only. For strength of Planets too we have the same rules of own house or detriment houses. For Lordship too we have to go by the same rules. Aries would be Lord of the Cusp in both cases when 1 Degrees of Motion falls in any cusp of Aries .Vimsottari Dasha is the same. Is it not ? In KP The Constellational Theory is followed which is Nirayana. Shri KSK has mentioned in one of his articles clearly that he has taken the constellation theory from the Traditional and researched on it to form what is known as KP . I will search for his exact statements if one wants ro read the same.When Shri KSk did not have any aversion to the Traditioanal theory (Except for its complicated and contradictory rules), then who are we. Are we better than him, any of Us ? Regarding Sub -Sub. Shri ChandraKant Bhatt in his books has clearly given the importance of the Sub-Sub in determining the results when two planets are conjoined and in same star,and in the same Sub, as to what results each dasha would produce, from each Planet , only from the Sub-Sub theory, which is an extension of the Sub theory., and can be made use of when the sub does not tell the story. Just because KSK did not give us notes on same, does not mean that we should not be open to such matters. We cannot be rigid in our thinking. We can only expect limited Books from a man of 60 Years. We cannot expect him to write books on each and every topic of his interest including the Fortuna, which was the topic of Hot discussions few messages away. Just because Shri KSk did not mention the same, does not mnean that he was closed to its exploration, and had he been alive today, probably he would have given us some matter to chew on the same. My request to all new and old entrants in KP system, that we are no more superior than the Traditional astrologers. Our system may be better but we cannot treat them as inferior. Humbleness should be every astrologers Forte and pre-requisite. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar > The moment you forget Traditional Asrology, you will be able to follow KP better. > KP means CUSPS will govern the House, not the signs. > So if both 2nd and 11th houses are vacant, as per KP chart, you have to consider them vacant. > In the case there being no planets in Stars of Mercury i.e. Significators A,B,C are not there for houses 2 and 11. Then Sun whose sub is Mercury will signify both houses. Do not bring in SUB-SUB. This was not dealt with by K.S.K > > good luck > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Sir, > > What about Cusps ?. > a)In Leo Nativity if in the Natal Chart, Virgo is empty > and Gemini is occupied by The Sun and Mercury, but > again in the Cuspal Chart both the houses are empty, > meaning both the 2nd Cusp and 11th Cusp (No intercepted > Signs) belonging to Mercury are empty. > The I would consider both the houses of > Mercury as empty as per KP. Please correct me > if I am wrong. > > b)In the same case above, if no Planet in Chart in > Mercury's constellation, but Sun in Sub of Mercury, > and Rahu in Sub-Sub of mercury, the should we > consider both Sun and Rahu as strong significators of > the 2nd and 11th Cusp in this birth Chart ? > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > , Raichur-a-r raichurar@ wrote: > > > > A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the > significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars. > > > > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry > > I quote: " If a particular house is unoccupied and the > constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets > deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results " > > > > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in > the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the > house becomes the significator of the house. > > > > This is for information of members. > > > > > > Good Luck > > Raichur A R > > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Dear Mr. Bhaskar, Your answer to query No. 1 is correct. As regards 2nd we have to consider the Cuspal lord and not the house lord. We can not decide on the basis of Merc who is the Lord of 2nd and 11th house as per vedic astrology. The significators are the planets in the zone of the cusp lord and if there are no planets in the zone of the cusplord then the cusp lord himself becomes the one. Here you are confusing Mer as cusp lord who is only lord of Rasi sign of relevant houses. Then also consider the planets in the zone of sub lord of relevant houses and if there are noplanets there then sub lord will become significators. If there were ocuupants in these houses then occupants would have become the strongest significators. With regards, ShivBhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Sir,What about Cusps ?. a)In Leo Nativity if in the Natal Chart, Virgo is emptyand Gemini is occupied by The Sun and Mercury, butagain in the Cuspal Chart both the houses are empty,meaning both the 2nd Cusp and 11th Cusp (No interceptedSigns) belonging to Mercury are empty.The I would consider both the houses ofMercury as empty as per KP. Please correct meif I am wrong.b)In the same case above, if no Planet in Chart inMercury's constellation, but Sun in Sub of Mercury,and Rahu in Sub-Sub of mercury, the should weconsider both Sun and Rahu as strong significators ofthe 2nd and 11th Cusp in this birth Chart ? regards,Bhaskar. , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars.> > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry> I quote: "If a particular house is unoccupied and the constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results"> > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the house becomes the significator of the house.> > This is for information of members.> > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account> > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check outnew cars at Autos.> SHOUT IT OUT! Tell everyone, from anywhere, that you're online on Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Dear Sujata As far as 1st house is concerned the significators. will be planets whose sublord is Jupiter. This will be sat and rahu, which have sub lord as Jupiter. So it is sat and Rahu you have to look for the 1st house results. I do not know why you are trying to mix uo 10 and 7th ? You have to find the significators for each house, seperately. Please read and study fundamentals. Good Luck As far as 10th is concerned, the significator will be any planet in the stars of Ketu, next will be Ketu. Then lord of house jup. Here the exception does not apply as already Ketu and any planets in stars of Ketu are significators of 10th.sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote: Dear mr. raichurji,In my daughter's horoscope,no planets in 1st house and, jup owning 1st, has no planets in its. star but ketu is in saggitarious,the 10th house.I suppose,only ketu,not jup.,will signify 1st house along with sat. and rahu in the sub of jup.Sat.is in 7th house,rahu is in the 4th house.will sat. rahu and ketu mould her personality?with regards,sujataRaichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear Tinwin The rules and practice shown that the lord of the house does not become the significator of the house it owns,when the house is empty,(nO significators A or B) and there are no planets in its stars. Sig C blank, only D, the house owner remains as significator in the normal route. The rule on page 195 of Reader 4, and the practice, says when there is only a significator of Category D (A,B,C BLANK), then do not accept it, but accept planets which have the Sub as D. If there are no planets whose sublord is D, then sub-lord of the house itself becomes the significator. This is logical, since the sub-lord of cusps is said to govern matters of that house. The Lord of the house becomes only a source of the result. tw853 <tw853 > wrote: Dear Sri Raichur,On the basis of example chart (2-8-40, 0-45 a.m.), page 192, KP Reader IV,(None in 7. No planet in Mars star. Mars owns only 7th and not 12th. Moon is in the sub of Mars. Sub-lord of 7th is Saturn.)1. Does it means Moon will offer the result of 7th as per the statement below? OR any other planet?Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querryI quote: "If a particular house is unoccupied and the constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results"2. Does it means Saturn becomes the significator of 7th as per the statement below?My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the house becomes the significator of the house.3. Any relation between the statement in 2 and a common practice given below?Having no planet in its atar, the planet is a significator of houses for which the planet is cuspal sub-lord. In the above example no planet is in Saturn star and Saturn is sub-lord of 7th; and so Saturn is a significator of 7th.Thanks and regards,tw , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars.> > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry> I quote: "If a particular house is unoccupied and the constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results"> > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the house becomes the significator of the house.> > This is for information of members.> > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account> > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check outnew cars at Autos.>Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos. SHOUT IT OUT! Tell everyone, from anywhere, that you're online on Messenger Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Dear Bhaskar KSK has taught that the house is considered from Cusp to Cusp, not sign to sign. If using the placidus system, one casts the chart for say London/ or any place having a big Latitude, one will find that the houses are of extent, much more than 30 degress, and may contain even 2 signs. So the Traditional chart where every house is of one sign, and KP houses will be different. So when one is studying KP, it is best to remember this . KP HOUSE IS CUSP TO CUSP ONLY. Do not confuse it with so called Lagna Chart/Bhava chart etc. Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Sir,While respecting You, I beg to differ.KP is an offshoot of Traditional astrology,and one should not forget ones Father after one grows up.Whether one likes it or not, KP and Traditional areinterlinked.In my Query to You, You have missed my point.I understood that if both houses are empty as per KP chartone should consider them empty. But,As per which KP Chart ?As per KP Lagna Chart or as per KP Cuspal Chart ?I asked that houses are not empty but Cusps are empty ?I mentioned that Gemini is not empty in the NatalChart with leo ascendant but the Placidus CuspalChart of the same Natal Chart shows the 11th Cusp(lordship by Mercury)as empty. Then should we considerit as empty ?Sir now this is not for you, but for all KP followers-Because we are into Kp, does not mean we should look downupon Traditional. We still call the same names to Planetsas per Traditional,all the houses in KP have same significations as perKP. All signs carry same traits in KP as per traditional.Even the aspects are as per traditional . What remains,onlytimings are more better signified and so are results,through association of figures representing the Cusps whichare just calculated as per Placidus.Ultimately to polish the KPpredictions one has to go back to the rules of Planets insigns given by Traditional only. For strength of Planets toowe have the same rules of own house or detriment houses.For Lordship too we have to go by the same rules. Aries wouldbe Lord of the Cusp in both cases when 1 Degrees of Motionfalls in any cusp of Aries .Vimsottari Dasha is the same.Is it not ? In KP The Constellational Theory is followedwhich is Nirayana. Shri KSK has mentioned in one of his articles clearlythat he has taken the constellation theory from the Traditional andresearched on it to form what is known as KP . I will search for hisexact statements if one wants ro read the same.When Shri KSk did nothave any aversion to the Traditioanal theory (Except for its complicatedand contradictory rules), then who are we. Are we better than him, anyof Us ?Regarding Sub -Sub. Shri ChandraKant Bhatt in his books has clearlygiven the importance of the Sub-Sub indetermining the results when two planets are conjoined and in samestar,and in the same Sub, as to what results each dasha would produce,from each Planet , only from the Sub-Sub theory, which is an extensionof the Sub theory., and can be made use of when the sub does not tellthe story. Just because KSK did not give us notes on same, does not meanthat we should not be open to such matters. We cannot be rigid in ourthinking. We can only expect limited Books from a man of 60 Years. Wecannot expect him to write books on each and every topic of his interestincluding the Fortuna, which was the topic of Hot discussions fewmessages away. Just because Shri KSkdid not mention the same, does not mnean that he was closed to itsexploration, and had he been alive today, probably he would have givenus some matter to chew on the same.My request to all new and old entrants in KP system, that we are no moresuperior than the Traditional astrologers. Our system may be better butwe cannot treat them as inferior. Humbleness should be every astrologersForte and pre-requisite.best wishes,Bhaskar. , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar> The moment you forget Traditional Asrology, you will be able to followKP better.> KP means CUSPS will govern the House, not the signs.> So if both 2nd and 11th houses are vacant, as per KP chart, you haveto consider them vacant.> In the case there being no planets in Stars of Mercury i.e.Significators A,B,C are not there for houses 2 and 11. Then Sun whosesub is Mercury will signify both houses. Do not bring in SUB-SUB. Thiswas not dealt with by K.S.K>> good luck>>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> Sir,>> What about Cusps ?.> a)In Leo Nativity if in the Natal Chart, Virgo is empty> and Gemini is occupied by The Sun and Mercury, but> again in the Cuspal Chart both the houses are empty,> meaning both the 2nd Cusp and 11th Cusp (No intercepted> Signs) belonging to Mercury are empty.> The I would consider both the houses of> Mercury as empty as per KP. Please correct me> if I am wrong.>> b)In the same case above, if no Planet in Chart in> Mercury's constellation, but Sun in Sub of Mercury,> and Rahu in Sub-Sub of mercury, the should we> consider both Sun and Rahu as strong significators of> the 2nd and 11th Cusp in this birth Chart ?>> regards,> Bhaskar.>> , Raichur-a-r raichurar@ wrote:> >> > A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the> significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars.> >> > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry> > I quote: "If a particular house is unoccupied and the> constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets> deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results"> >> > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in> the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the> house becomes the significator of the house.> >> > This is for information of members.> >> >> > Good Luck> > Raichur A R> > Bombay Tel 2506 2609> > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account> >> > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> > Check outnew cars at Autos.> >>>>>>>> Good Luck> Raichur A R> Bombay Tel 2506 2609> Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account>> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check outnew cars at Autos.>Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? 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Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Dear Kanak, As per background of this rule, it starts from empty house and then D and so on. Anyway no application of this rule in KP Readers, just saying like Western aspects. Regards, tw , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > Dear Tinwin > The rules and practice shown that the lord of the house does not become the significator of the house it owns,when the house is empty, (nO significators A or B) and there are no planets in its stars. Sig C blank, only D, the house owner remains as significator in the normal route. The rule on page 195 of Reader 4, and the practice, says when there is only a significator of Category D (A,B,C BLANK), then do not accept it, but accept planets which have the Sub as D. If there are no planets whose sublord is D, then sub-lord of the house itself becomes the significator. This is logical, since the sub-lord of cusps is said to govern matters of that house. The Lord of the house becomes only a source of the result. > > > tw853 <tw853 wrote: > Dear Sri Raichur, > > On the basis of example chart (2-8-40, 0-45 a.m.), page 192, KP > Reader IV, > > (None in 7. No planet in Mars star. Mars owns only 7th and not 12th. > Moon is in the sub of Mars. Sub-lord of 7th is Saturn.) > > 1. Does it means Moon will offer the result of 7th as per the > statement below? OR any other planet? > > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry > I quote: " If a particular house is unoccupied and the > constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets > deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results " > > 2. Does it means Saturn becomes the significator of 7th as per the > statement below? > > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in > the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the > house becomes the significator of the house. > > 3. Any relation between the statement in 2 and a common practice > given below? > > Having no planet in its atar, the planet is a significator of houses > for which the planet is cuspal sub-lord. In the above example no > planet is in Saturn star and Saturn is sub-lord of 7th; and so > Saturn is a significator of 7th. > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > A memeber had said that the Lord of the house becomes the > significator of that house, if there no planets in its stars. > > > > Page 195 Reader 4 answers this querry > > I quote: " If a particular house is unoccupied and the > constellations of the owner is also unoccupied, then those planets > deposited in the sub of that planet, will offer the results " > > > > My experience is that if even the condition of planets being in > the sub of the planet is not satisfied, then the sub-lord of the > house becomes the significator of the house. > > > > This is for information of members. > > > > > > Good Luck > > Raichur A R > > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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