Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Dear Tin Win ji, 1) 01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM JUP dosnt indicate 10th but No planet in the star of JUP.Rahu is in the sub of JUP.RAH is in 10 indicate why he become PM.also Rah conj with MOON , MOON in 10. so JUP give very strongly result of 10th cusp. please check it and reply regards Kanak Bosmia II—TONY BLAIR TOB 6:10 AM DST is rated AA, Quoted BC/BR by AstrodataBank, and discussed in AstroDatabank forum http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/FeedbackPRT.asp?ChartID=19618 AS PER KPASTRO 2.1 Tony Blair, May 6, 1953, We, 6:10 AM DST (+0:00), 5:10 AM GMT, Edinburgh, Scotland, 3W13, 55N57, Sid Time 19:52:12, NKPA 23:06:56, Moon dasa balance 3y:8m:18d Planet Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl-H---House SignificatorsSun 22 Ar 15 34 Mar-Ven-Sat-Mer 12—-12,12,1Moo 18 Cp 22 43 Sat-Moo-Mer—Ven 10—-10,10,4,5,4,5Mar 10 Ta 20 25 Ven-Moo-Moo-Jup 12--10,1,4,5,7Mer 03 Ar 16 24 Mar-Ket-Sun-Jup 12--4,12,2,3,6Jup 06 Ta 05 10 Ven-Sun-Mer-Mar 12—-12,12,8,9,12Ven 21 Pi 54 29 Jup-Mer-Sun-Sat 12--12,12,2,3,6,1S-R 29 Vi 13 57 Mer-Mar-Sat-Moo 6--1,6,7,10,11Rah 14 Cp 19 59 Sat-Moo-Jup-Sat 10--10,10,4,5Ket 14 Cn 19 59 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven 4--6,4,10,11For 07 Aq 50 41 Sat-Rah-Rah-Ket 11Ura 22 Ge 10 02 Mer-Jup-Sat-Mer 3N-R 28 Vi 47 08 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven 6Plu 27 Cn 41 05 Moo-Mer-Jup-Rah 5 Cusps Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl--Planet Significators1. 11 Ta 43 32 Ven-Moo-Mar-Ven--Sa,Ma,Su,Ve2. 01 Ge 51 20 Mer-Mar-Mer-Sat--Ve,Me3. 17 Ge 03 15 Mer-Rah-Ven-Mer--Ve,Me4. 02 Cn 56 07 Moo-Jup-Rah-Ven--Me,Ke,Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo5. 24 Cn 20 58 Moo-Mer-Rah-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo6. 03 Vi 10 15 Mer-Sun-Sat-Sat--Ke,Sa,Ve,Me7. 11 Sc 43 32 Mar-Sat-Moo-Mer--Sa,Ma8. 01 Sa 51 20 Jup-Ket-Ven-Rah--Ju9. 17 Sa 03 15 Jup-Ven-Moo-Ket--Ju10.02 Cp 56 07 Sat-Sun-Jup-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo,Ra,Ke,Sa11.24 Cp 20 58 Sat-Mar-Rah-Rah--Ke,Sa12.03 Pi 10 15 Jup-Jup-Rah-Moo--Su,Ju,Ve,Su,Me,Ju,Ve,Ju TIMELINE 29-03-1980 (Rah/Moo/Sat/Ven) marriage19-01-1984 (Jup/Jup/Rah/Mer) son Euan born06-12-1985 (Jup/Sat/Mar/Mer) son Nicky born02-03-1988 (Jup/Mer/Rah/Mer) daughter Kathryn born01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM20-05-2000 (Sat/Sat/Rah/Sat) youngest son Leo born07-06-2001 (Sat/Mer/Mer/Sat) won general election & reelcted for PM19-10-2003 (Sat/Ket/Ket/Ket) hospitalised for irregular heartbeat01-10-2004 (Sat/Ket/Mer/Ven) hospitalised for heart flutter; at the same time announced the purchase of a house for 3.5 mln pound05-05-2005 (Sa/Ve/Ve/Me) won general election & reelcted for PM"A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first And Honest people are screwed first." Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC 75 BC) We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love(and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Dear Kanak, 1. We can go straight. No planet is in the star of JUP, which is 10CSL and so JUP is a strong significator of 10th. 2. Could you give the background of the above rule which is found working because pro in Msg#2695 & 8071 and against in Msg#8076 as already mentioned. (Here this rule has to supersede significations of JUP, its Stl & Sbl.) 3. JUP is only-D-level significator for 8 & 9th but not for 10th, which is not empty and so the other rule is not applicable. In another mail KP Reader examples relevant to that rule are given but only D-level significator is taken not neglected. 4. A current living chart of Rashmi Patel (Msg#12977), (12-05-1957, 04-25am, Aden, Yemen, Sid 19-44-02, New KPA 23-10-18, Asc Ar 07-39- 49) has enjoyed successful life during Dasa period of SAT, which is the only-D-level significator for 10 & 11th; no planet is in the star of SAT and no planet in 10 & 11th houses; SAT is Sbl of 5 & 11th. As per the other rule MAR & VEN are supposed to be significator of 10 & 11th because their sub is SAT. Perhaps SAT's 11th Badhaka effect has been neutralised by the signification of 1, 5, 10 (12 to 11) by SAT as 11CSL. (As per KPAstro 2.7, SAT is in MER star and KET sub, not VEN sub as a member mentioned.) Regards, tw , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Tin Win ji, > > 1) 01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM > JUP dosnt indicate 10th but No planet in the star of JUP.Rahu is in the sub of JUP.RAH is in 10 indicate why he become PM.also Rah conj with MOON , MOON in 10. so JUP give very strongly result of 10th cusp. > > please check it and reply > > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > II—TONY BLAIR > TOB 6:10 AM DST is rated AA, Quoted BC/BR by AstrodataBank, and > discussed in AstroDatabank forum > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/FeedbackPRT.asp?ChartID=19618 > AS PER KPASTRO 2.1 > Tony Blair, May 6, 1953, We, 6:10 AM DST (+0:00), 5:10 AM GMT, > Edinburgh, Scotland, 3W13, 55N57, Sid Time 19:52:12, NKPA 23:06:56, > Moon dasa balance 3y:8m:18d > Planet Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl-H---House Significators > Sun 22 Ar 15 34 Mar-Ven-Sat-Mer 12—-12,12,1 > Moo 18 Cp 22 43 Sat-Moo-Mer—Ven 10—-10,10,4,5,4,5 > Mar 10 Ta 20 25 Ven-Moo-Moo-Jup 12--10,1,4,5,7 > Mer 03 Ar 16 24 Mar-Ket-Sun-Jup 12--4,12,2,3,6 > Jup 06 Ta 05 10 Ven-Sun-Mer-Mar 12—-12,12,8,9,12 > Ven 21 Pi 54 29 Jup-Mer-Sun-Sat 12--12,12,2,3,6,1 > S-R 29 Vi 13 57 Mer-Mar-Sat-Moo 6--1,6,7,10,11 > Rah 14 Cp 19 59 Sat-Moo-Jup-Sat 10--10,10,4,5 > Ket 14 Cn 19 59 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven 4--6,4,10,11 > For 07 Aq 50 41 Sat-Rah-Rah-Ket 11 > Ura 22 Ge 10 02 Mer-Jup-Sat-Mer 3 > N-R 28 Vi 47 08 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven 6 > Plu 27 Cn 41 05 Moo-Mer-Jup-Rah 5 > Cusps Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl--Planet Significators > 1. 11 Ta 43 32 Ven-Moo-Mar-Ven--Sa,Ma,Su,Ve > 2. 01 Ge 51 20 Mer-Mar-Mer-Sat--Ve,Me > 3. 17 Ge 03 15 Mer-Rah-Ven-Mer--Ve,Me > 4. 02 Cn 56 07 Moo-Jup-Rah-Ven--Me,Ke,Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo > 5. 24 Cn 20 58 Moo-Mer-Rah-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo > 6. 03 Vi 10 15 Mer-Sun-Sat-Sat--Ke,Sa,Ve,Me > 7. 11 Sc 43 32 Mar-Sat-Moo-Mer--Sa,Ma > 8. 01 Sa 51 20 Jup-Ket-Ven-Rah--Ju > 9. 17 Sa 03 15 Jup-Ven-Moo-Ket--Ju > 10.02 Cp 56 07 Sat-Sun-Jup-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo,Ra,Ke,Sa > 11.24 Cp 20 58 Sat-Mar-Rah-Rah--Ke,Sa > 12.03 Pi 10 15 Jup-Jup-Rah-Moo--Su,Ju,Ve,Su,Me,Ju,Ve,Ju > > TIMELINE > 29-03-1980 (Rah/Moo/Sat/Ven) marriage > 19-01-1984 (Jup/Jup/Rah/Mer) son Euan born > 06-12-1985 (Jup/Sat/Mar/Mer) son Nicky born > 02-03-1988 (Jup/Mer/Rah/Mer) daughter Kathryn born > 01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM > 20-05-2000 (Sat/Sat/Rah/Sat) youngest son Leo born > 07-06-2001 (Sat/Mer/Mer/Sat) won general election & reelcted for PM > 19-10-2003 (Sat/Ket/Ket/Ket) hospitalised for irregular heartbeat > 01-10-2004 (Sat/Ket/Mer/Ven) hospitalised for heart flutter; at the > same time announced the purchase of a house for 3.5 mln pound > 05-05-2005 (Sa/Ve/Ve/Me) won general election & reelcted for PM > > > > > " A person should not be too honest. > Straight trees are cut first > And Honest people are screwed first. " > Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC 75 BC) > > > > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Dear Kanak, In Blair's chart, 7 out of 9 planets except MOO & KET are significators of 12th (in A to D significator level). 12CSL RAH is asignificator of 6, 10 & 11. As per a theory in Astrosectrets, 12th significators may give results of 6, 10 & 11 especially abroad. If Blair takes a prestigious foreign post after his resignation, this rule will be confirmed. Let us wait and see. (First and second time PM more or less justified and only third time PM left.) Thanks and regards, tw , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > Dear Kanak, > > 1. We can go straight. No planet is in the star of JUP, which is > 10CSL and so JUP is a strong significator of 10th. > > 2. Could you give the background of the above rule which is found > working because pro in Msg#2695 & 8071 and against in Msg#8076 as > already mentioned. (Here this rule has to supersede significations > of JUP, its Stl & Sbl.) > > 3. JUP is only-D-level significator for 8 & 9th but not for 10th, > which is not empty and so the other rule is not applicable. In > another mail KP Reader examples relevant to that rule are given but > only D-level significator is taken not neglected. > > 4. A current living chart of Rashmi Patel (Msg#12977), (12-05- 1957, > 04-25am, Aden, Yemen, Sid 19-44-02, New KPA 23-10-18, Asc Ar 07-39- > 49) has enjoyed successful life during Dasa period of SAT, which is > the only-D-level significator for 10 & 11th; no planet is in the > star of SAT and no planet in 10 & 11th houses; SAT is Sbl of 5 & > 11th. As per the other rule MAR & VEN are supposed to be > significator of 10 & 11th because their sub is SAT. Perhaps SAT's > 11th Badhaka effect has been neutralised by the signification of 1, > 5, 10 (12 to 11) by SAT as 11CSL. (As per KPAstro 2.7, SAT is in MER > star and KET sub, not VEN sub as a member mentioned.) > > Regards, > > tw > > , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Tin Win ji, > > > > 1) 01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM > > JUP dosnt indicate 10th but No planet in the star of JUP.Rahu is > in the sub of JUP.RAH is in 10 indicate why he become PM.also Rah > conj with MOON , MOON in 10. so JUP give very strongly result of > 10th cusp. > > > > please check it and reply > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > II—TONY BLAIR > > TOB 6:10 AM DST is rated AA, Quoted BC/BR by AstrodataBank, and > > discussed in AstroDatabank forum > > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/FeedbackPRT.asp?ChartID=19618 > > AS PER KPASTRO 2.1 > > Tony Blair, May 6, 1953, We, 6:10 AM DST (+0:00), 5:10 AM GMT, > > Edinburgh, Scotland, 3W13, 55N57, Sid Time 19:52:12, NKPA > 23:06:56, > > Moon dasa balance 3y:8m:18d > > Planet Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl-H---House Significators > > Sun 22 Ar 15 34 Mar-Ven-Sat-Mer 12—-12,12,1 > > Moo 18 Cp 22 43 Sat-Moo-Mer—Ven 10—-10,10,4,5,4,5 > > Mar 10 Ta 20 25 Ven-Moo-Moo-Jup 12--10,1,4,5,7 > > Mer 03 Ar 16 24 Mar-Ket-Sun-Jup 12--4,12,2,3,6 > > Jup 06 Ta 05 10 Ven-Sun-Mer-Mar 12—-12,12,8,9,12 > > Ven 21 Pi 54 29 Jup-Mer-Sun-Sat 12--12,12,2,3,6,1 > > S-R 29 Vi 13 57 Mer-Mar-Sat-Moo 6--1,6,7,10,11 > > Rah 14 Cp 19 59 Sat-Moo-Jup-Sat 10--10,10,4,5 > > Ket 14 Cn 19 59 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven 4--6,4,10,11 > > For 07 Aq 50 41 Sat-Rah-Rah-Ket 11 > > Ura 22 Ge 10 02 Mer-Jup-Sat-Mer 3 > > N-R 28 Vi 47 08 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven 6 > > Plu 27 Cn 41 05 Moo-Mer-Jup-Rah 5 > > Cusps Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl--Planet Significators > > 1. 11 Ta 43 32 Ven-Moo-Mar-Ven--Sa,Ma,Su,Ve > > 2. 01 Ge 51 20 Mer-Mar-Mer-Sat--Ve,Me > > 3. 17 Ge 03 15 Mer-Rah-Ven-Mer--Ve,Me > > 4. 02 Cn 56 07 Moo-Jup-Rah-Ven--Me,Ke,Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo > > 5. 24 Cn 20 58 Moo-Mer-Rah-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo > > 6. 03 Vi 10 15 Mer-Sun-Sat-Sat--Ke,Sa,Ve,Me > > 7. 11 Sc 43 32 Mar-Sat-Moo-Mer--Sa,Ma > > 8. 01 Sa 51 20 Jup-Ket-Ven-Rah--Ju > > 9. 17 Sa 03 15 Jup-Ven-Moo-Ket--Ju > > 10.02 Cp 56 07 Sat-Sun-Jup-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo,Ra,Ke,Sa > > 11.24 Cp 20 58 Sat-Mar-Rah-Rah--Ke,Sa > > 12.03 Pi 10 15 Jup-Jup-Rah-Moo--Su,Ju,Ve,Su,Me,Ju,Ve,Ju > > > > TIMELINE > > 29-03-1980 (Rah/Moo/Sat/Ven) marriage > > 19-01-1984 (Jup/Jup/Rah/Mer) son Euan born > > 06-12-1985 (Jup/Sat/Mar/Mer) son Nicky born > > 02-03-1988 (Jup/Mer/Rah/Mer) daughter Kathryn born > > 01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM > > 20-05-2000 (Sat/Sat/Rah/Sat) youngest son Leo born > > 07-06-2001 (Sat/Mer/Mer/Sat) won general election & reelcted for PM > > 19-10-2003 (Sat/Ket/Ket/Ket) hospitalised for irregular heartbeat > > 01-10-2004 (Sat/Ket/Mer/Ven) hospitalised for heart flutter; at > the > > same time announced the purchase of a house for 3.5 mln pound > > 05-05-2005 (Sa/Ve/Ve/Me) won general election & reelcted for PM > > > > > > > > > > " A person should not be too honest. > > Straight trees are cut first > > And Honest people are screwed first. " > > Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC > 75 BC) > > > > > > > > > > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Dear Tin Win ji, yes I do not check from 10th House, I try to check only with JUP, rule says "there is only a significator of Category D (A,B,C BLANK), then do not accept it, but accept planets which have the Sub as D. If there are no planets whose sublord is D, then sub-lord of the house itself becomes the significator." Means We have to take JUP as cusple sublord of 6 and 10 only if there is no planet in sub of JUP, but in this case we have RAH in JUP sub, so JUP give result of RAH., may be i am wrong in undersyand this rule. same rule not tally with Indira Gandhi's chart. regards Kanak Bosmia tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Kanak,1. We can go straight. No planet is in the star of JUP, which is 10CSL and so JUP is a strong significator of 10th.2. Could you give the background of the above rule which is found working because pro in Msg#2695 & 8071 and against in Msg#8076 as already mentioned. (Here this rule has to supersede significations of JUP, its Stl & Sbl.) 3. JUP is only-D-level significator for 8 & 9th but not for 10th, which is not empty and so the other rule is not applicable. In another mail KP Reader examples relevant to that rule are given but only D-level significator is taken not neglected.4. A current living chart of Rashmi Patel (Msg#12977), (12-05-1957, 04-25am, Aden, Yemen, Sid 19-44-02, New KPA 23-10-18, Asc Ar 07-39-49) has enjoyed successful life during Dasa period of SAT, which is the only-D-level significator for 10 & 11th; no planet is in the star of SAT and no planet in 10 & 11th houses; SAT is Sbl of 5 & 11th. As per the other rule MAR & VEN are supposed to be significator of 10 & 11th because their sub is SAT. Perhaps SAT's 11th Badhaka effect has been neutralised by the signification of 1, 5, 10 (12 to 11) by SAT as 11CSL. (As per KPAstro 2.7, SAT is in MER star and KET sub, not VEN sub as a member mentioned.)Regards,tw , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:>> Dear Tin Win ji,> > 1) 01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM> JUP dosnt indicate 10th but No planet in the star of JUP.Rahu is in the sub of JUP.RAH is in 10 indicate why he become PM.also Rah conj with MOON , MOON in 10. so JUP give very strongly result of 10th cusp.> > please check it and reply> > regards> Kanak Bosmia> > II—TONY BLAIR> TOB 6:10 AM DST is rated AA, Quoted BC/BR by AstrodataBank, and > discussed in AstroDatabank forum > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/FeedbackPRT.asp?ChartID=19618> AS PER KPASTRO 2.1> Tony Blair, May 6, 1953, We, 6:10 AM DST (+0:00), 5:10 AM GMT, > Edinburgh, Scotland, 3W13, 55N57, Sid Time 19:52:12, NKPA 23:06:56, > Moon dasa balance 3y:8m:18d> Planet Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl-H---House Significators> Sun 22 Ar 15 34 Mar-Ven-Sat-Mer 12—-12,12,1> Moo 18 Cp 22 43 Sat-Moo-Mer—Ven 10—-10,10,4,5,4,5> Mar 10 Ta 20 25 Ven-Moo-Moo-Jup 12--10,1,4,5,7> Mer 03 Ar 16 24 Mar-Ket-Sun-Jup 12--4,12,2,3,6> Jup 06 Ta 05 10 Ven-Sun-Mer-Mar 12—-12,12,8,9,12> Ven 21 Pi 54 29 Jup-Mer-Sun-Sat 12--12,12,2,3,6,1> S-R 29 Vi 13 57 Mer-Mar-Sat-Moo 6--1,6,7,10,11> Rah 14 Cp 19 59 Sat-Moo-Jup-Sat 10--10,10,4,5> Ket 14 Cn 19 59 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven 4--6,4,10,11> For 07 Aq 50 41 Sat-Rah-Rah-Ket 11> Ura 22 Ge 10 02 Mer-Jup-Sat-Mer 3> N-R 28 Vi 47 08 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven 6> Plu 27 Cn 41 05 Moo-Mer-Jup-Rah 5> Cusps Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl--Planet Significators> 1. 11 Ta 43 32 Ven-Moo-Mar-Ven--Sa,Ma,Su,Ve> 2. 01 Ge 51 20 Mer-Mar-Mer-Sat--Ve,Me> 3. 17 Ge 03 15 Mer-Rah-Ven-Mer--Ve,Me> 4. 02 Cn 56 07 Moo-Jup-Rah-Ven--Me,Ke,Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo> 5. 24 Cn 20 58 Moo-Mer-Rah-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo> 6. 03 Vi 10 15 Mer-Sun-Sat-Sat--Ke,Sa,Ve,Me> 7. 11 Sc 43 32 Mar-Sat-Moo-Mer--Sa,Ma> 8. 01 Sa 51 20 Jup-Ket-Ven-Rah--Ju> 9. 17 Sa 03 15 Jup-Ven-Moo-Ket--Ju> 10.02 Cp 56 07 Sat-Sun-Jup-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo,Ra,Ke,Sa> 11.24 Cp 20 58 Sat-Mar-Rah-Rah--Ke,Sa> 12.03 Pi 10 15 Jup-Jup-Rah-Moo--Su,Ju,Ve,Su,Me,Ju,Ve,Ju> > TIMELINE> 29-03-1980 (Rah/Moo/Sat/Ven) marriage> 19-01-1984 (Jup/Jup/Rah/Mer) son Euan born> 06-12-1985 (Jup/Sat/Mar/Mer) son Nicky born> 02-03-1988 (Jup/Mer/Rah/Mer) daughter Kathryn born> 01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM> 20-05-2000 (Sat/Sat/Rah/Sat) youngest son Leo born> 07-06-2001 (Sat/Mer/Mer/Sat) won general election & reelcted for PM> 19-10-2003 (Sat/Ket/Ket/Ket) hospitalised for irregular heartbeat> 01-10-2004 (Sat/Ket/Mer/Ven) hospitalised for heart flutter; at the > same time announced the purchase of a house for 3.5 mln pound> 05-05-2005 (Sa/Ve/Ve/Me) won general election & reelcted for PM> > > > > "A person should not be too honest. > Straight trees are cut first > And Honest people are screwed first." > Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC 75 BC) > > > > > > We won't tell. 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