Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 dear members, now coming to the further comments. regarding aspect, KSK has given 5th grade to aspects which everyone knows.but he has not neglected aspect totally.that means we have to consider aspect in judging the horoscope.in 4step theory separate rules are given for this aspect.the query was raised for ketu's aspect.the reply is: ketu has appeared as sublord of planet.there are no planets in star of ketu and ketu is on 1st cusp.as per the rules given in theory it aspects 7th cusp.in that particular case even this factor is not taken in considaration,then also marriage is indicated by the signification of 11th house.readers must be knowing that similar case will not be found in studies except twin birth,every case is unique. regarding rahu/ketu i have clearly mentioned the rules in my book.which are tallied with the KSK principles.members are requested to view the article written by mr.tw in may e-zine.where he has mentioned 2 separate rules given by KSK for rahu/ketu.reading this article i conclude that tw can only review the books and he can very well critisize to even KSK. the main essence of this theory is to judge the events without help of RP. i have never denied the efficacy of RP ,but my experiece says that RP will not support to everybody at everytime.pl.see the experiment cases done by mr.kanak and mr.rajeevji and mr.supraksh regarding the match sticks. now why i use RP.i use RP only to confirm cuspal sublord.this is based on KSK teaching only. pl.refer reader no.3 page 118 wherein KSK has asked to confirm csl with the help of RP. now finally, i look kp principles as a Geeta.its meanings are varying from person to person. so i considered its separate meanings and explained in 4 step theory. finally KP method is not a proprietry concern of a particular person.i think that atleast it is not of mr.tw so 4 step theory is not at all messed theory but with concrete prooven rules. thanks -sunil gondhalekar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Respected Sunilji, Sir, In KP(traditional)the sub-lord of a planet is used to veryfy whether the results by the planet would be favourable or otherwise. Does this rule hold good for four-step method also? Secondly, signification by aspect stands fifth in order of strengh whereas in four-step we consider only strong or principal significators. Therefore I cannot understand as to how signification by aspect can be used in this method. I am sorry I have not read your latest book on four-step. I have read only " Vivahayoga " with regards, sujatkaram , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear members, > now coming to the further comments. > regarding aspect, > KSK has given 5th grade to aspects which everyone knows.but he has not > neglected > aspect totally.that means we have to consider aspect in judging the > horoscope.in 4step > theory separate rules are given for this aspect.the query was raised for > ketu's aspect.the reply is: > ketu has appeared as sublord of planet.there are no planets in star of ketu > and ketu is on 1st cusp.as per the rules given in theory it aspects 7th > cusp.in that particular case even this factor is not taken in > considaration,then also marriage is indicated by the signification of 11th > house.readers must be knowing that similar case will not be found in studies > except twin birth,every case is unique. > > regarding rahu/ketu i have clearly mentioned the rules in my book.which are > tallied with the KSK > principles.members are requested to view the article written by mr.tw in may > e-zine.where he has > mentioned 2 separate rules given by KSK for rahu/ketu.reading this article i > conclude that tw can > only review the books and he can very well critisize to even KSK. > > the main essence of this theory is to judge the events without help of RP. > i have never denied the efficacy of RP ,but my experiece says that RP will > not support to everybody at everytime.pl.see the experiment cases done by > mr.kanak and mr.rajeevji and > mr.supraksh regarding the match sticks. > now why i use RP.i use RP only to confirm cuspal sublord.this is based on > KSK teaching only. > pl.refer reader no.3 page 118 wherein KSK has asked to confirm csl with the > help of RP. > now finally, i look kp principles as a Geeta.its meanings are varying from > person to person. > so i considered its separate meanings and explained in 4 step theory. > finally KP method is not a proprietry concern of a particular person.i think > that atleast it is not > of mr.tw > so 4 step theory is not at all messed theory but with concrete > prooven rules. > thanks > -sunil gondhalekar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Respected Sunil Gondhalekar sir, I was awaiting your comments on the review of 4 step theory. I appreciate your balance of mind in spite of provocative mails and Book review. I fully agree with Mr.Punit Pandey ji that the Decorum of the Forum is of prime importance. Discussions are always welcome but should not stoop to low and personal level. Senior member Mr. L Y R Lazmi ji also deserves appriciation for his efforts to bring back the discussion on rails again. Subhash , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram wrote: > > Respected Sunilji, > Sir, > In KP(traditional)the sub-lord of a planet is used to veryfy whether > the results by the planet would be favourable or otherwise. Does > this rule hold good for four-step method also? > Secondly, signification by aspect stands fifth in order of strengh > whereas in four-step we consider only strong or principal > significators. Therefore I cannot understand as to how signification > by aspect can be used in this method. > I am sorry I have not read your latest book on four-step. I have read > only " Vivahayoga " > with regards, > sujatkaram , " sunil gondhalekar " > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > dear members, > > now coming to the further comments. > > regarding aspect, > > KSK has given 5th grade to aspects which everyone knows.but he has > not > > neglected > > aspect totally.that means we have to consider aspect in judging the > > horoscope.in 4step > > theory separate rules are given for this aspect.the query was > raised for > > ketu's aspect.the reply is: > > ketu has appeared as sublord of planet.there are no planets in star > of ketu > > and ketu is on 1st cusp.as per the rules given in theory it aspects > 7th > > cusp.in that particular case even this factor is not taken in > > considaration,then also marriage is indicated by the signification > of 11th > > house.readers must be knowing that similar case will not be found > in studies > > except twin birth,every case is unique. > > > > regarding rahu/ketu i have clearly mentioned the rules in my > book.which are > > tallied with the KSK > > principles.members are requested to view the article written by > mr.tw in may > > e-zine.where he has > > mentioned 2 separate rules given by KSK for rahu/ketu.reading this > article i > > conclude that tw can > > only review the books and he can very well critisize to even KSK. > > > > the main essence of this theory is to judge the events without help > of RP. > > i have never denied the efficacy of RP ,but my experiece says that > RP will > > not support to everybody at everytime.pl.see the experiment cases > done by > > mr.kanak and mr.rajeevji and > > mr.supraksh regarding the match sticks. > > now why i use RP.i use RP only to confirm cuspal sublord.this is > based on > > KSK teaching only. > > pl.refer reader no.3 page 118 wherein KSK has asked to confirm csl > with the > > help of RP. > > now finally, i look kp principles as a Geeta.its meanings are > varying from > > person to person. > > so i considered its separate meanings and explained in 4 step > theory. > > finally KP method is not a proprietry concern of a particular > person.i think > > that atleast it is not > > of mr.tw > > so 4 step theory is not at all messed theory but with concrete > > prooven rules. > > thanks > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 dear ektare, my comments are on board.pl.see message no.14976 -sunil gondhalekar On 10/3/07, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote: Respected Sunil Gondhalekar sir,I was awaiting your comments on the review of 4 step theory. I appreciate your balance of mind in spite of provocative mails and Book review. I fully agree with Mr.Punit Pandey ji that the Decorum of the Forum is of prime importance. Discussions are always welcome but should not stoop to low and personal level. Senior member Mr. L Y R Lazmi ji also deserves appriciation for his efforts to bring back the discussion on rails again. Subhash , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram wrote:>> Respected Sunilji,> Sir, > In KP(traditional)the sub-lord of a planet is used to veryfy whether > the results by the planet would be favourable or otherwise. Does > this rule hold good for four-step method also? > Secondly, signification by aspect stands fifth in order of strengh > whereas in four-step we consider only strong or principal > significators. Therefore I cannot understand as to how signification > by aspect can be used in this method.> I am sorry I have not read your latest book on four-step. I have read > only " Vivahayoga " > with regards,> sujatkaram , " sunil gondhalekar " > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> > > > dear members,> > now coming to the further comments.> > regarding aspect,> > KSK has given 5th grade to aspects which everyone knows.but he has > not> > neglected > > aspect totally.that means we have to consider aspect in judging the> > horoscope.in 4step > > theory separate rules are given for this aspect.the query was > raised for> > ketu's aspect.the reply is:> > ketu has appeared as sublord of planet.there are no planets in star > of ketu> > and ketu is on 1st cusp.as per the rules given in theory it aspects > 7th > > cusp.in that particular case even this factor is not taken in> > considaration,then also marriage is indicated by the signification > of 11th> > house.readers must be knowing that similar case will not be found > in studies> > except twin birth,every case is unique.> > > > regarding rahu/ketu i have clearly mentioned the rules in my > book.which are> > tallied with the KSK> > principles.members are requested to view the article written by > mr.tw in may> > e-zine.where he has> > mentioned 2 separate rules given by KSK for rahu/ketu.reading this > article i> > conclude that tw can> > only review the books and he can very well critisize to even KSK. > > > > the main essence of this theory is to judge the events without help > of RP.> > i have never denied the efficacy of RP ,but my experiece says that > RP will> > not support to everybody at everytime.pl.see the experiment cases > done by> > mr.kanak and mr.rajeevji and> > mr.supraksh regarding the match sticks.> > now why i use RP.i use RP only to confirm cuspal sublord.this is > based on> > KSK teaching only.> > pl.refer reader no.3 page 118 wherein KSK has asked to confirm csl > with the> > help of RP.> > now finally, i look kp principles as a Geeta.its meanings are > varying from> > person to person.> > so i considered its separate meanings and explained in 4 step > theory.> > finally KP method is not a proprietry concern of a particular > person.i think> > that atleast it is not> > of mr.tw> > so 4 step theory is not at all messed theory but with concrete > > prooven rules.> > thanks> > -sunil gondhalekar> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 dear sujatkaram, first thing is that pl.dont use KP as a (traditional)KP.it may hurt many members again. the sublord of the planet is the main key in KP which opens the secrets. in 4 step theory,if there are no planets in star of planet/sub then only it signifies relevant houses.but in original kp this rule is not considered. in 4 step due weitage is given to 3rd-4th step and it gives the results in many cases. pl.see chart of sujata das.dasa is not at all connected with houses for marriage but still she has married in that dasa.why?intelligent person has not answerd it.i will answer for that.if csl shows the marriage then full span of dasa can not be elimated,only bhukti to be rejected.(that is also depends on the time of consultation and the span of dasa) in 4 step only strong signification is considered. now for aspect if jupiter is under consideration,if there are any planets in star of jupiter then jupiter will not represent any houses alongwith aspects.but if there no planets in star of jupiter,then condition will be changed.now jupiter takes the signification of aspected/aspecting planets also.(in that case only planet is to be considered and not all steps) now consider jupiter is in star of saturn.planets starlord is always strong.so saturn will take signi fication of aspecting/aspected planets. same rule is applicable to sublord of planet. orb of 3-20 is to be considered.this orb can be extended to 5 deg.if needed regarding rahu/ketu's aspect. i dont consider rahu/ketu aspects on each other.but if only they are on cusp then rep.that cusp but if they are strong and on cusp then aspect on cusp is also taken. nodes takes results of plantes if they are aspected/conjunct. separate rules for nodes are mentioned in book.which matches with kp principles. mr.chandrakant bhatt has mentioned that he could not judge how nodes gives the results. but in study i found that if nodes are aspected or conjuct with planet,the nodes takes results of that planet first and they dont offer results of signlordship. vivahyoga book was written in 2000.there are many factors added after research which was mentioned in my magazine and then in revised 4 step book. i hope your doubts are clear,but if by any chance you have any doubts,pl.mail. -sunil gondhalekar On 10/2/07, sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: Respected Sunilji,Sir, In KP(traditional)the sub-lord of a planet is used to veryfy whether the results by the planet would be favourable or otherwise. Does this rule hold good for four-step method also? Secondly, signification by aspect stands fifth in order of strengh whereas in four-step we consider only strong or principal significators. Therefore I cannot understand as to how signification by aspect can be used in this method. I am sorry I have not read your latest book on four-step. I have read only " Vivahayoga " with regards,sujatkaram , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear members,> now coming to the further comments.> regarding aspect,> KSK has given 5th grade to aspects which everyone knows.but he has not> neglected> aspect totally.that means we have to consider aspect in judging the> horoscope.in 4step> theory separate rules are given for this aspect.the query was raised for> ketu's aspect.the reply is:> ketu has appeared as sublord of planet.there are no planets in star of ketu> and ketu is on 1st cusp.as per the rules given in theory it aspects 7th> cusp.in that particular case even this factor is not taken in> considaration,then also marriage is indicated by the signification of 11th> house.readers must be knowing that similar case will not be found in studies> except twin birth,every case is unique.> > regarding rahu/ketu i have clearly mentioned the rules in my book.which are> tallied with the KSK> principles.members are requested to view the article written by mr.tw in may> e-zine.where he has> mentioned 2 separate rules given by KSK for rahu/ketu.reading this article i> conclude that tw can> only review the books and he can very well critisize to even KSK.> > the main essence of this theory is to judge the events without help of RP.> i have never denied the efficacy of RP ,but my experiece says that RP will> not support to everybody at everytime.pl.see the experiment cases done by> mr.kanak and mr.rajeevji and> mr.supraksh regarding the match sticks.> now why i use RP.i use RP only to confirm cuspal sublord.this is based on> KSK teaching only.> pl.refer reader no.3 page 118 wherein KSK has asked to confirm csl with the> help of RP.> now finally, i look kp principles as a Geeta.its meanings are varying from> person to person.> so i considered its separate meanings and explained in 4 step theory.> finally KP method is not a proprietry concern of a particular person.i think> that atleast it is not > of mr.tw> so 4 step theory is not at all messed theory but with concrete> prooven rules.> thanks > -sunil gondhalekar> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Respected Sunilji, Sir, I am really thankful for your detailed and clearcut clarifications of my doubts. Of course I shall need some days to study and understand the full import of what you have written.Because with age my grasp has weakened. With best regards, sujatkaram , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear sujatkaram, > first thing is that pl.dont use KP as a (traditional)KP.it may hurt > many members again. > the sublord of the planet is the main key in KP which opens the secrets. > in 4 step theory,if there are no planets in star of planet/sub then only > it signifies relevant houses.but in original kp this rule is not considered. > in 4 step due weitage is given to 3rd-4th step and it gives the results in > many cases. > pl.see chart of sujata das.dasa is not at all connected with houses for > marriage but > still she has married in that dasa.why?intelligent person has not answerd > it.i will answer > for that.if csl shows the marriage then full span of dasa can not be > elimated,only bhukti > to be rejected.(that is also depends on the time of consultation and the > span of dasa) > in 4 step only strong signification is considered. > now for aspect > if jupiter is under consideration,if there are any planets in star of > jupiter > then jupiter will not represent any houses alongwith aspects.but if there no > planets in star > of jupiter,then condition will be changed.now jupiter takes the > signification of aspected/aspecting > planets also.(in that case only planet is to be considered and not all > steps) > now consider jupiter is in star of saturn.planets starlord is always > strong.so saturn will take signi > fication of aspecting/aspected planets. > same rule is applicable to sublord of planet. > orb of 3-20 is to be considered.this orb can be extended to 5 deg.if needed > regarding rahu/ketu's aspect. > i dont consider rahu/ketu aspects on each other.but if only they are on cusp > then rep.that cusp > but if they are strong and on cusp then aspect on cusp is also taken. > nodes takes results of plantes if they are aspected/conjunct. > separate rules for nodes are mentioned in book.which matches with kp > principles. > mr.chandrakant bhatt has mentioned that he could not judge how nodes gives > the results. > but in study i found that if nodes are aspected or conjuct with planet,the > nodes takes results > of that planet first and they dont offer results of signlordship. > vivahyoga book was written in 2000.there are many factors added after > research which was > mentioned in my magazine and then in revised 4 step book. > i hope your doubts are clear,but if by any chance you have any doubts, > pl.mail. > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > On 10/2/07, sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: > > > > Respected Sunilji, > > Sir, > > In KP(traditional)the sub-lord of a planet is used to veryfy whether > > the results by the planet would be favourable or otherwise. Does > > this rule hold good for four-step method also? > > Secondly, signification by aspect stands fifth in order of strengh > > whereas in four-step we consider only strong or principal > > significators. Therefore I cannot understand as to how signification > > by aspect can be used in this method. > > I am sorry I have not read your latest book on four-step. I have read > > only " Vivahayoga " > > with regards, > > sujatkaram <% 40>, > > " sunil gondhalekar " > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > dear members, > > > now coming to the further comments. > > > regarding aspect, > > > KSK has given 5th grade to aspects which everyone knows.but he has > > not > > > neglected > > > aspect totally.that means we have to consider aspect in judging the > > > horoscope.in 4step > > > theory separate rules are given for this aspect.the query was > > raised for > > > ketu's aspect.the reply is: > > > ketu has appeared as sublord of planet.there are no planets in star > > of ketu > > > and ketu is on 1st cusp.as per the rules given in theory it aspects > > 7th > > > cusp.in that particular case even this factor is not taken in > > > considaration,then also marriage is indicated by the signification > > of 11th > > > house.readers must be knowing that similar case will not be found > > in studies > > > except twin birth,every case is unique. > > > > > > regarding rahu/ketu i have clearly mentioned the rules in my > > book.which are > > > tallied with the KSK > > > principles.members are requested to view the article written by > > mr.tw in may > > > e-zine.where he has > > > mentioned 2 separate rules given by KSK for rahu/ketu.reading this > > article i > > > conclude that tw can > > > only review the books and he can very well critisize to even KSK. > > > > > > the main essence of this theory is to judge the events without help > > of RP. > > > i have never denied the efficacy of RP ,but my experiece says that > > RP will > > > not support to everybody at everytime.pl.see the experiment cases > > done by > > > mr.kanak and mr.rajeevji and > > > mr.supraksh regarding the match sticks. > > > now why i use RP.i use RP only to confirm cuspal sublord.this is > > based on > > > KSK teaching only. > > > pl.refer reader no.3 page 118 wherein KSK has asked to confirm csl > > with the > > > help of RP. > > > now finally, i look kp principles as a Geeta.its meanings are > > varying from > > > person to person. > > > so i considered its separate meanings and explained in 4 step > > theory. > > > finally KP method is not a proprietry concern of a particular > > person.i think > > > that atleast it is not > > > of mr.tw > > > so 4 step theory is not at all messed theory but with concrete > > > prooven rules. > > > thanks > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Dear Sunil SirHelloSir I also got few new points from this mail. I want to know When did you revise your 4step rules? Are these new ruled included in Nakshatra Sandesh? I will get my journal and books courier tomorrow and I hope it includes all new rules.Sir plz confirm what I understood is correct or not.If any planet which is strong at whatever step ( no planets in its star or if it comes as star lord), its aspected/aspecting planets should be included on that step as strong significator equal to the hosues signified by planet itself. What about aspected houses by Jupiter? For exam Jupiter owner of 1 and+ in 7th house, strong as no planet in its star so it signify 7 and 1 strongly.There is no aspected or aspecting planet but Jupiter aspects 3,1,11 empty houses. So if they are empty or not we have to consider 3,1,11 houses in strong signification of Jupiter or not? and as strong as 7 and 1? Rahu in 10th house exactly at 10th cusp, strong and Ketu in 4th & it is also on 4th cusp but Ketu has Shani in its star . Now plz tell me Rahu will aspect 4th cusp? But Ketu though not strong, its on 4th cusp so it is also strong signficator of 4th house as per cuspal planet rules. Plz explain me sir how to take Rahu's signification here by aspect on 4th cusp? It will benifit others also.Plz tell me if I am wrong in understanding it.Thanks and regards.SheetalOn 10/3/07, sunil gondhalekar < sunilalaka wrote: dear sujatkaram, first thing is that pl.dont use KP as a (traditional)KP.it may hurt many members again. the sublord of the planet is the main key in KP which opens the secrets. in 4 step theory,if there are no planets in star of planet/sub then only it signifies relevant houses.but in original kp this rule is not considered. in 4 step due weitage is given to 3rd-4th step and it gives the results in many cases. pl.see chart of sujata das.dasa is not at all connected with houses for marriage but still she has married in that dasa.why?intelligent person has not answerd it.i will answer for that.if csl shows the marriage then full span of dasa can not be elimated,only bhukti to be rejected.(that is also depends on the time of consultation and the span of dasa) in 4 step only strong signification is considered. now for aspect if jupiter is under consideration,if there are any planets in star of jupiter then jupiter will not represent any houses alongwith aspects.but if there no planets in star of jupiter,then condition will be changed.now jupiter takes the signification of aspected/aspecting planets also.(in that case only planet is to be considered and not all steps) now consider jupiter is in star of saturn.planets starlord is always strong.so saturn will take signi fication of aspecting/aspected planets. same rule is applicable to sublord of planet. orb of 3-20 is to be considered.this orb can be extended to 5 deg.if needed regarding rahu/ketu's aspect. i dont consider rahu/ketu aspects on each other.but if only they are on cusp then rep.that cusp but if they are strong and on cusp then aspect on cusp is also taken. nodes takes results of plantes if they are aspected/conjunct. separate rules for nodes are mentioned in book.which matches with kp principles. mr.chandrakant bhatt has mentioned that he could not judge how nodes gives the results. but in study i found that if nodes are aspected or conjuct with planet,the nodes takes results of that planet first and they dont offer results of signlordship. vivahyoga book was written in 2000.there are many factors added after research which was mentioned in my magazine and then in revised 4 step book. i hope your doubts are clear,but if by any chance you have any doubts,pl.mail. -sunil gondhalekar On 10/2/07, sujatkaram <sujatkaram > wrote: Respected Sunilji,Sir, In KP(traditional)the sub-lord of a planet is used to veryfy whether the results by the planet would be favourable or otherwise. Does this rule hold good for four-step method also? Secondly, signification by aspect stands fifth in order of strengh whereas in four-step we consider only strong or principal significators. Therefore I cannot understand as to how signification by aspect can be used in this method. I am sorry I have not read your latest book on four-step. I have read only " Vivahayoga " with regards,sujatkaram , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear members,> now coming to the further comments.> regarding aspect,> KSK has given 5th grade to aspects which everyone knows.but he has not> neglected> aspect totally.that means we have to consider aspect in judging the> horoscope.in 4step> theory separate rules are given for this aspect.the query was raised for> ketu's aspect.the reply is:> ketu has appeared as sublord of planet.there are no planets in star of ketu> and ketu is on 1st cusp.as per the rules given in theory it aspects 7th> cusp.in that particular case even this factor is not taken in> considaration,then also marriage is indicated by the signification of 11th> house.readers must be knowing that similar case will not be found in studies> except twin birth,every case is unique.> > regarding rahu/ketu i have clearly mentioned the rules in my book.which are> tallied with the KSK> principles.members are requested to view the article written by mr.tw in may> e-zine.where he has> mentioned 2 separate rules given by KSK for rahu/ketu.reading this article i> conclude that tw can> only review the books and he can very well critisize to even KSK.> > the main essence of this theory is to judge the events without help of RP.> i have never denied the efficacy of RP ,but my experiece says that RP will> not support to everybody at everytime.pl.see the experiment cases done by> mr.kanak and mr.rajeevji and> mr.supraksh regarding the match sticks.> now why i use RP.i use RP only to confirm cuspal sublord.this is based on> KSK teaching only.> pl.refer reader no.3 page 118 wherein KSK has asked to confirm csl with the> help of RP.> now finally, i look kp principles as a Geeta.its meanings are varying from> person to person.> so i considered its separate meanings and explained in 4 step theory.> finally KP method is not a proprietry concern of a particular person.i think> that atleast it is not > of mr.tw> so 4 step theory is not at all messed theory but with concrete> prooven rules.> thanks > -sunil gondhalekar> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 dear sujatkaram, okey,you can study it at your ease. by the way what is your age? i think you are staying in mumbai.i am at thane pl.contact me on 022-25888179 thanks -sunil gondhalekar On 10/7/07, sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: Respected Sunilji,Sir,I am really thankful for your detailed and clearcut clarifications of my doubts. Of course I shall need some days to study and understand the full import of what you have written.Because with age my grasp has weakened.With best regards,sujatkaram , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote:> > dear sujatkaram,> first thing is that pl.dont use KP as a (traditional)KP.it may hurt> many members again.> the sublord of the planet is the main key in KP which opens the secrets.> in 4 step theory,if there are no planets in star of planet/sub then only> it signifies relevant houses.but in original kp this rule is not considered.> in 4 step due weitage is given to 3rd-4th step and it gives the results in> many cases.> pl.see chart of sujata das.dasa is not at all connected with houses for> marriage but> still she has married in that dasa.why?intelligent person has not answerd > it.i will answer> for that.if csl shows the marriage then full span of dasa can not be> elimated,only bhukti> to be rejected.(that is also depends on the time of consultation and the> span of dasa) > in 4 step only strong signification is considered.> now for aspect> if jupiter is under consideration,if there are any planets in star of> jupiter> then jupiter will not represent any houses alongwith aspects.but if there no> planets in star> of jupiter,then condition will be changed.now jupiter takes the> signification of aspected/aspecting> planets also.(in that case only planet is to be considered and not all> steps)> now consider jupiter is in star of saturn.planets starlord is always> strong.so saturn will take signi> fication of aspecting/aspected planets.> same rule is applicable to sublord of planet. > orb of 3-20 is to be considered.this orb can be extended to 5 deg.if needed> regarding rahu/ketu's aspect.> i dont consider rahu/ketu aspects on each other.but if only they are on cusp > then rep.that cusp> but if they are strong and on cusp then aspect on cusp is also taken.> nodes takes results of plantes if they are aspected/conjunct.> separate rules for nodes are mentioned in book.which matches with kp> principles.> mr.chandrakant bhatt has mentioned that he could not judge how nodes gives> the results.> but in study i found that if nodes are aspected or conjuct with planet,the> nodes takes results> of that planet first and they dont offer results of signlordship.> vivahyoga book was written in 2000.there are many factors added after> research which was > mentioned in my magazine and then in revised 4 step book.> i hope your doubts are clear,but if by any chance you have any doubts,> pl.mail.> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > On 10/2/07, sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote:> >> > Respected Sunilji,> > Sir,> > In KP(traditional)the sub-lord of a planet is used to veryfy whether> > the results by the planet would be favourable or otherwise. Does> > this rule hold good for four-step method also?> > Secondly, signification by aspect stands fifth in order of strengh > > whereas in four-step we consider only strong or principal> > significators. Therefore I cannot understand as to how signification> > by aspect can be used in this method.> > I am sorry I have not read your latest book on four-step. I have read> > only " Vivahayoga " > > with regards,> > sujatkaram <%40>, > > " sunil gondhalekar " > > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> > >> > > dear members,> > > now coming to the further comments. > > > regarding aspect,> > > KSK has given 5th grade to aspects which everyone knows.but he has> > not> > > neglected> > > aspect totally.that means we have to consider aspect in judging the> > > horoscope.in 4step> > > theory separate rules are given for this aspect.the query was > > raised for> > > ketu's aspect.the reply is:> > > ketu has appeared as sublord of planet.there are no planets in star> > of ketu> > > and ketu is on 1st cusp.as per the rules given in theory it aspects> > 7th> > > cusp.in that particular case even this factor is not taken in> > > considaration,then also marriage is indicated by the signification> > of 11th> > > house.readers must be knowing that similar case will not be found> > in studies> > > except twin birth,every case is unique.> > >> > > regarding rahu/ketu i have clearly mentioned the rules in my> > book.which are> > > tallied with the KSK > > > principles.members are requested to view the article written by> > mr.tw in may> > > e-zine.where he has> > > mentioned 2 separate rules given by KSK for rahu/ketu.reading this> > article i> > > conclude that tw can> > > only review the books and he can very well critisize to even KSK.> > >> > > the main essence of this theory is to judge the events without help> > of RP.> > > i have never denied the efficacy of RP ,but my experiece says that> > RP will> > > not support to everybody at everytime.pl.see the experiment cases> > done by> > > mr.kanak and mr.rajeevji and> > > mr.supraksh regarding the match sticks. > > > now why i use RP.i use RP only to confirm cuspal sublord.this is> > based on> > > KSK teaching only.> > > pl.refer reader no.3 page 118 wherein KSK has asked to confirm csl> > with the> > > help of RP.> > > now finally, i look kp principles as a Geeta.its meanings are> > varying from> > > person to person.> > > so i considered its separate meanings and explained in 4 step > > theory.> > > finally KP method is not a proprietry concern of a particular> > person.i think> > > that atleast it is not> > > of mr.tw> > > so 4 step theory is not at all messed theory but with concrete> > > prooven rules.> > > thanks> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Respected Sunilji, I am 70 yrs but as far as astrology is concerned I am a KG student whereas you are a veteran like Raichurji and Lajmiji. I stay in Mumbai and Kalyan alternately.I shall certainly contact you after I equip myself with sufficient knowledge to discuss astrology with you. With regards, sujatkaram.. , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear sujatkaram, > okey,you can study it at your ease. > by the way what is your age? > i think you are staying in mumbai.i am at thane > pl.contact me on 022-25888179 > thanks > -sunil gondhalekar > > > On 10/7/07, sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: > > > > Respected Sunilji, > > Sir, > > I am really thankful for your detailed and clearcut clarifications of > > my doubts. Of course I shall need some days to study and understand > > the full import of what you have written.Because with age my grasp > > has weakened. > > With best regards, > > sujatkaram <% 40>, > > " sunil gondhalekar " > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > dear sujatkaram, > > > first thing is that pl.dont use KP as a (traditional)KP.it may hurt > > > many members again. > > > the sublord of the planet is the main key in KP which opens the > > secrets. > > > in 4 step theory,if there are no planets in star of planet/sub then > > only > > > it signifies relevant houses.but in original kp this rule is not > > considered. > > > in 4 step due weitage is given to 3rd-4th step and it gives the > > results in > > > many cases. > > > pl.see chart of sujata das.dasa is not at all connected with houses > > for > > > marriage but > > > still she has married in that dasa.why?intelligent person has not > > answerd > > > it.i will answer > > > for that.if csl shows the marriage then full span of dasa can not be > > > elimated,only bhukti > > > to be rejected.(that is also depends on the time of consultation > > and the > > > span of dasa) > > > in 4 step only strong signification is considered. > > > now for aspect > > > if jupiter is under consideration,if there are any planets in star > > of > > > jupiter > > > then jupiter will not represent any houses alongwith aspects.but if > > there no > > > planets in star > > > of jupiter,then condition will be changed.now jupiter takes the > > > signification of aspected/aspecting > > > planets also.(in that case only planet is to be considered and not > > all > > > steps) > > > now consider jupiter is in star of saturn.planets starlord is always > > > strong.so saturn will take signi > > > fication of aspecting/aspected planets. > > > same rule is applicable to sublord of planet. > > > orb of 3-20 is to be considered.this orb can be extended to 5 > > deg.if needed > > > regarding rahu/ketu's aspect. > > > i dont consider rahu/ketu aspects on each other.but if only they > > are on cusp > > > then rep.that cusp > > > but if they are strong and on cusp then aspect on cusp is also > > taken. > > > nodes takes results of plantes if they are aspected/conjunct. > > > separate rules for nodes are mentioned in book.which matches with kp > > > principles. > > > mr.chandrakant bhatt has mentioned that he could not judge how > > nodes gives > > > the results. > > > but in study i found that if nodes are aspected or conjuct with > > planet,the > > > nodes takes results > > > of that planet first and they dont offer results of signlordship. > > > vivahyoga book was written in 2000.there are many factors added > > after > > > research which was > > > mentioned in my magazine and then in revised 4 step book. > > > i hope your doubts are clear,but if by any chance you have any > > doubts, > > > pl.mail. > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/2/07, sujatkaram <sujatkaram@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Sunilji, > > > > Sir, > > > > In KP(traditional)the sub-lord of a planet is used to veryfy > > whether > > > > the results by the planet would be favourable or otherwise. Does > > > > this rule hold good for four-step method also? > > > > Secondly, signification by aspect stands fifth in order of strengh > > > > whereas in four-step we consider only strong or principal > > > > significators. Therefore I cannot understand as to how > > signification > > > > by aspect can be used in this method. > > > > I am sorry I have not read your latest book on four-step. I have > > read > > > > only " Vivahayoga " > > > > with regards, > > > > sujatkaram <% 40> > > <% > > 40>, > > > > " sunil gondhalekar " > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear members, > > > > > now coming to the further comments. > > > > > regarding aspect, > > > > > KSK has given 5th grade to aspects which everyone knows.but he > > has > > > > not > > > > > neglected > > > > > aspect totally.that means we have to consider aspect in judging > > the > > > > > horoscope.in 4step > > > > > theory separate rules are given for this aspect.the query was > > > > raised for > > > > > ketu's aspect.the reply is: > > > > > ketu has appeared as sublord of planet.there are no planets in > > star > > > > of ketu > > > > > and ketu is on 1st cusp.as per the rules given in theory it > > aspects > > > > 7th > > > > > cusp.in that particular case even this factor is not taken in > > > > > considaration,then also marriage is indicated by the > > signification > > > > of 11th > > > > > house.readers must be knowing that similar case will not be > > found > > > > in studies > > > > > except twin birth,every case is unique. > > > > > > > > > > regarding rahu/ketu i have clearly mentioned the rules in my > > > > book.which are > > > > > tallied with the KSK > > > > > principles.members are requested to view the article written by > > > > mr.tw in may > > > > > e-zine.where he has > > > > > mentioned 2 separate rules given by KSK for rahu/ketu.reading > > this > > > > article i > > > > > conclude that tw can > > > > > only review the books and he can very well critisize to even > > KSK. > > > > > > > > > > the main essence of this theory is to judge the events without > > help > > > > of RP. > > > > > i have never denied the efficacy of RP ,but my experiece says > > that > > > > RP will > > > > > not support to everybody at everytime.pl.see the experiment > > cases > > > > done by > > > > > mr.kanak and mr.rajeevji and > > > > > mr.supraksh regarding the match sticks. > > > > > now why i use RP.i use RP only to confirm cuspal sublord.this is > > > > based on > > > > > KSK teaching only. > > > > > pl.refer reader no.3 page 118 wherein KSK has asked to confirm > > csl > > > > with the > > > > > help of RP. > > > > > now finally, i look kp principles as a Geeta.its meanings are > > > > varying from > > > > > person to person. > > > > > so i considered its separate meanings and explained in 4 step > > > > theory. > > > > > finally KP method is not a proprietry concern of a particular > > > > person.i think > > > > > that atleast it is not > > > > > of mr.tw > > > > > so 4 step theory is not at all messed theory but with concrete > > > > > prooven rules. > > > > > thanks > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Dear sunil gondhalekar, Could you kindly give the reference where the best KP narrator Shri Bhatt has mentioned what you have said below: > mr.chandrakant bhatt has mentioned that he could not judge how nodes gives > the results. Thanks and regards, tw , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear sujatkaram, > first thing is that pl.dont use KP as a (traditional)KP.it may hurt > many members again. > the sublord of the planet is the main key in KP which opens the secrets. > in 4 step theory,if there are no planets in star of planet/sub then only > it signifies relevant houses.but in original kp this rule is not considered. > in 4 step due weitage is given to 3rd-4th step and it gives the results in > many cases. > pl.see chart of sujata das.dasa is not at all connected with houses for > marriage but > still she has married in that dasa.why?intelligent person has not answerd > it.i will answer > for that.if csl shows the marriage then full span of dasa can not be > elimated,only bhukti > to be rejected.(that is also depends on the time of consultation and the > span of dasa) > in 4 step only strong signification is considered. > now for aspect > if jupiter is under consideration,if there are any planets in star of > jupiter > then jupiter will not represent any houses alongwith aspects.but if there no > planets in star > of jupiter,then condition will be changed.now jupiter takes the > signification of aspected/aspecting > planets also.(in that case only planet is to be considered and not all > steps) > now consider jupiter is in star of saturn.planets starlord is always > strong.so saturn will take signi > fication of aspecting/aspected planets. > same rule is applicable to sublord of planet. > orb of 3-20 is to be considered.this orb can be extended to 5 deg.if needed > regarding rahu/ketu's aspect. > i dont consider rahu/ketu aspects on each other.but if only they are on cusp > then rep.that cusp > but if they are strong and on cusp then aspect on cusp is also taken. > nodes takes results of plantes if they are aspected/conjunct. > separate rules for nodes are mentioned in book.which matches with kp > principles. > mr.chandrakant bhatt has mentioned that he could not judge how nodes gives > the results. > but in study i found that if nodes are aspected or conjuct with planet,the > nodes takes results > of that planet first and they dont offer results of signlordship. > vivahyoga book was written in 2000.there are many factors added after > research which was > mentioned in my magazine and then in revised 4 step book. > i hope your doubts are clear,but if by any chance you have any doubts, > pl.mail. > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > On 10/2/07, sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: > > > > Respected Sunilji, > > Sir, > > In KP(traditional)the sub-lord of a planet is used to veryfy whether > > the results by the planet would be favourable or otherwise. Does > > this rule hold good for four-step method also? > > Secondly, signification by aspect stands fifth in order of strengh > > whereas in four-step we consider only strong or principal > > significators. Therefore I cannot understand as to how signification > > by aspect can be used in this method. > > I am sorry I have not read your latest book on four-step. I have read > > only " Vivahayoga " > > with regards, > > sujatkaram <% 40>, > > " sunil gondhalekar " > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > dear members, > > > now coming to the further comments. > > > regarding aspect, > > > KSK has given 5th grade to aspects which everyone knows.but he has > > not > > > neglected > > > aspect totally.that means we have to consider aspect in judging the > > > horoscope.in 4step > > > theory separate rules are given for this aspect.the query was > > raised for > > > ketu's aspect.the reply is: > > > ketu has appeared as sublord of planet.there are no planets in star > > of ketu > > > and ketu is on 1st cusp.as per the rules given in theory it aspects > > 7th > > > cusp.in that particular case even this factor is not taken in > > > considaration,then also marriage is indicated by the signification > > of 11th > > > house.readers must be knowing that similar case will not be found > > in studies > > > except twin birth,every case is unique. > > > > > > regarding rahu/ketu i have clearly mentioned the rules in my > > book.which are > > > tallied with the KSK > > > principles.members are requested to view the article written by > > mr.tw in may > > > e-zine.where he has > > > mentioned 2 separate rules given by KSK for rahu/ketu.reading this > > article i > > > conclude that tw can > > > only review the books and he can very well critisize to even KSK. > > > > > > the main essence of this theory is to judge the events without help > > of RP. > > > i have never denied the efficacy of RP ,but my experiece says that > > RP will > > > not support to everybody at everytime.pl.see the experiment cases > > done by > > > mr.kanak and mr.rajeevji and > > > mr.supraksh regarding the match sticks. > > > now why i use RP.i use RP only to confirm cuspal sublord.this is > > based on > > > KSK teaching only. > > > pl.refer reader no.3 page 118 wherein KSK has asked to confirm csl > > with the > > > help of RP. > > > now finally, i look kp principles as a Geeta.its meanings are > > varying from > > > person to person. > > > so i considered its separate meanings and explained in 4 step > > theory. > > > finally KP method is not a proprietry concern of a particular > > person.i think > > > that atleast it is not > > > of mr.tw > > > so 4 step theory is not at all messed theory but with concrete > > > prooven rules. > > > thanks > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 dear tw ji, our writer mr.keshkamat who had translated bhatt's books in marathi and i had published that before 7-8 years back. when mr.keshkamat and mr mhaiskar(my friend) visited mr.bhatt for asking permission to translate his books.while discussing about rahu,mr bhatt has told that still he could not judge nodes. i dont think he has written this in his books.but i will check with mr.mhaiskar whether this point is added in his books or not.and convey accordingly. -sunil gondhalekar On 3/8/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear sunil gondhalekar,Could you kindly give the reference where the best KP narrator Shri Bhatt has mentioned what you have said below:> mr.chandrakant bhatt has mentioned that he could not judge how nodes gives> the results.Thanks and regards,tw , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote:> > dear sujatkaram,> first thing is that pl.dont use KP as a (traditional)KP.it may hurt> many members again.> the sublord of the planet is the main key in KP which opens the secrets.> in 4 step theory,if there are no planets in star of planet/sub then only> it signifies relevant houses.but in original kp this rule is not considered.> in 4 step due weitage is given to 3rd-4th step and it gives the results in> many cases.> pl.see chart of sujata das.dasa is not at all connected with houses for> marriage but> still she has married in that dasa.why?intelligent person has not answerd > it.i will answer> for that.if csl shows the marriage then full span of dasa can not be> elimated,only bhukti> to be rejected.(that is also depends on the time of consultation and the> span of dasa) > in 4 step only strong signification is considered.> now for aspect> if jupiter is under consideration,if there are any planets in star of> jupiter> then jupiter will not represent any houses alongwith aspects.but if there no> planets in star> of jupiter,then condition will be changed.now jupiter takes the> signification of aspected/aspecting> planets also.(in that case only planet is to be considered and not all> steps)> now consider jupiter is in star of saturn.planets starlord is always> strong.so saturn will take signi> fication of aspecting/aspected planets.> same rule is applicable to sublord of planet. > orb of 3-20 is to be considered.this orb can be extended to 5 deg.if needed> regarding rahu/ketu's aspect.> i dont consider rahu/ketu aspects on each other.but if only they are on cusp> then rep.that cusp > but if they are strong and on cusp then aspect on cusp is also taken.> nodes takes results of plantes if they are aspected/conjunct.> separate rules for nodes are mentioned in book.which matches with kp> principles.> mr.chandrakant bhatt has mentioned that he could not judge how nodes gives> the results.> but in study i found that if nodes are aspected or conjuct with planet,the > nodes takes results> of that planet first and they dont offer results of signlordship.> vivahyoga book was written in 2000.there are many factors added after> research which was> mentioned in my magazine and then in revised 4 step book. > i hope your doubts are clear,but if by any chance you have any doubts,> pl.mail.> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > On 10/2/07, sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: > >> > Respected Sunilji,> > Sir,> > In KP(traditional)the sub-lord of a planet is used to veryfy whether> > the results by the planet would be favourable or otherwise. Does > > this rule hold good for four-step method also?> > Secondly, signification by aspect stands fifth in order of strengh> > whereas in four-step we consider only strong or principal> > significators. Therefore I cannot understand as to how signification> > by aspect can be used in this method.> > I am sorry I have not read your latest book on four-step. I have read> > only " Vivahayoga " > > with regards, > > sujatkaram <%40>, > > " sunil gondhalekar " > > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> > >> > > dear members,> > > now coming to the further comments. > > > regarding aspect,> > > KSK has given 5th grade to aspects which everyone knows.but he has> > not> > > neglected> > > aspect totally.that means we have to consider aspect in judging the> > > horoscope.in 4step> > > theory separate rules are given for this aspect.the query was > > raised for> > > ketu's aspect.the reply is:> > > ketu has appeared as sublord of planet.there are no planets in star> > of ketu> > > and ketu is on 1st cusp.as per the rules given in theory it aspects> > 7th> > > cusp.in that particular case even this factor is not taken in> > > considaration,then also marriage is indicated by the signification> > of 11th> > > house.readers must be knowing that similar case will not be found> > in studies> > > except twin birth,every case is unique.> > > > > > regarding rahu/ketu i have clearly mentioned the rules in my> > book.which are> > > tallied with the KSK> > > principles.members are requested to view the article written by > > mr.tw in may> > > e-zine.where he has> > > mentioned 2 separate rules given by KSK for rahu/ketu.reading this> > article i> > > conclude that tw can> > > only review the books and he can very well critisize to even KSK.> > >> > > the main essence of this theory is to judge the events without help> > of RP.> > > i have never denied the efficacy of RP ,but my experiece says that> > RP will> > > not support to everybody at everytime.pl.see the experiment cases > > done by> > > mr.kanak and mr.rajeevji and> > > mr.supraksh regarding the match sticks.> > > now why i use RP.i use RP only to confirm cuspal sublord.this is> > based on > > > KSK teaching only.> > > pl.refer reader no.3 page 118 wherein KSK has asked to confirm csl> > with the> > > help of RP.> > > now finally, i look kp principles as a Geeta.its meanings are > > varying from> > > person to person.> > > so i considered its separate meanings and explained in 4 step> > theory.> > > finally KP method is not a proprietry concern of a particular > > person.i think> > > that atleast it is not> > > of mr.tw> > > so 4 step theory is not at all messed theory but with concrete > > > prooven rules.> > > thanks> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Dear sunil gondhalekar, Could you kindly clarify what are 2 seperate views in that KPE-Zine article (now uploaded in the file section of this group under RAHU/KETU RULES IN KP) and what I've critisized Guruji KSK. I think you're responsible to answer what you've said and to give the references what you've said Guruji KSK and Shri Bhatt are supposed to say. Thanks and regards, tw members are requested to view the article written by mr.tw in may > e-zine.where he has > mentioned 2 separate rules given by KSK for rahu/ketu.reading this article i > conclude that tw can > only review the books and he can very well critisize to even KSK. > , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear members, > now coming to the further comments. > regarding aspect, > KSK has given 5th grade to aspects which everyone knows.but he has not > neglected > aspect totally.that means we have to consider aspect in judging the > horoscope.in 4step > theory separate rules are given for this aspect.the query was raised for > ketu's aspect.the reply is: > ketu has appeared as sublord of planet.there are no planets in star of ketu > and ketu is on 1st cusp.as per the rules given in theory it aspects 7th > cusp.in that particular case even this factor is not taken in > considaration,then also marriage is indicated by the signification of 11th > house.readers must be knowing that similar case will not be found in studies > except twin birth,every case is unique. > > regarding rahu/ketu i have clearly mentioned the rules in my book.which are > tallied with the KSK > principles.members are requested to view the article written by mr.tw in may > e-zine.where he has > mentioned 2 separate rules given by KSK for rahu/ketu.reading this article i > conclude that tw can > only review the books and he can very well critisize to even KSK. > > the main essence of this theory is to judge the events without help of RP. > i have never denied the efficacy of RP ,but my experiece says that RP will > not support to everybody at everytime.pl.see the experiment cases done by > mr.kanak and mr.rajeevji and > mr.supraksh regarding the match sticks. > now why i use RP.i use RP only to confirm cuspal sublord.this is based on > KSK teaching only. > pl.refer reader no.3 page 118 wherein KSK has asked to confirm csl with the > help of RP. > now finally, i look kp principles as a Geeta.its meanings are varying from > person to person. > so i considered its separate meanings and explained in 4 step theory. > finally KP method is not a proprietry concern of a particular person.i think > that atleast it is not > of mr.tw > so 4 step theory is not at all messed theory but with concrete > prooven rules. > thanks > -sunil gondhalekar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Dear Friends, Please note that " I have mentioned 2 separate rules given by KSK for rahu/ketu. I can very well critisize to even KSK. " in the KPE-Zine article (now uploaded in the file section of this group under RAHU/KETU RULES IN KP) is groundless. Regards, tw , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > Dear sunil gondhalekar, > > Could you kindly clarify what are 2 seperate views in that KPE- Zine > article (now uploaded in the file section of this group under > RAHU/KETU RULES IN KP) and what I've critisized Guruji KSK. > > I think you're responsible to answer what you've said and to give > the references what you've said Guruji KSK and Shri Bhatt are > supposed to say. > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > > > > members are requested to view the article written by mr.tw in may > > e-zine.where he has > mentioned 2 separate rules given by KSK for > rahu/ketu.reading this article i > conclude that tw can > > only review the books and he can very well critisize to even KSK. > > > > > , " sunil gondhalekar " > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > dear members, > > now coming to the further comments. > > regarding aspect, > > KSK has given 5th grade to aspects which everyone knows.but he has > not > > neglected > > aspect totally.that means we have to consider aspect in judging the > > horoscope.in 4step > > theory separate rules are given for this aspect.the query was > raised for > > ketu's aspect.the reply is: > > ketu has appeared as sublord of planet.there are no planets in > star of ketu > > and ketu is on 1st cusp.as per the rules given in theory it > aspects 7th > > cusp.in that particular case even this factor is not taken in > > considaration,then also marriage is indicated by the signification > of 11th > > house.readers must be knowing that similar case will not be found > in studies > > except twin birth,every case is unique. > > > > regarding rahu/ketu i have clearly mentioned the rules in my > book.which are > > tallied with the KSK > > principles.members are requested to view the article written by > mr.tw in may > > e-zine.where he has > > mentioned 2 separate rules given by KSK for rahu/ketu.reading this > article i > > conclude that tw can > > only review the books and he can very well critisize to even KSK. > > > > the main essence of this theory is to judge the events without > help of RP. > > i have never denied the efficacy of RP ,but my experiece says that > RP will > > not support to everybody at everytime.pl.see the experiment cases > done by > > mr.kanak and mr.rajeevji and > > mr.supraksh regarding the match sticks. > > now why i use RP.i use RP only to confirm cuspal sublord.this is > based on > > KSK teaching only. > > pl.refer reader no.3 page 118 wherein KSK has asked to confirm csl > with the > > help of RP. > > now finally, i look kp principles as a Geeta.its meanings are > varying from > > person to person. > > so i considered its separate meanings and explained in 4 step > theory. > > finally KP method is not a proprietry concern of a particular > person.i think > > that atleast it is not > > of mr.tw > > so 4 step theory is not at all messed theory but with concrete > > prooven rules. > > thanks > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Dear sunil gondhalekar ji, 1. Pl don't say such kind of misleading, downgrading story about KP without a proof. Pl read-- Rahu and Ketu and their Significance.pdf Rahu & Ketu and their Significance by Shri Bhatt in the file section. 2. You can say whatever you like about your 4 step; it doesn't matter for me; but if you say something wrong about KP, it's my cocern to make it correct and clear for the KP forum. It's a duty of a KP follower. Thanks and regards, tw , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear tw ji, > our writer mr.keshkamat who had translated bhatt's books in marathi > and i had published that before 7-8 years back. > when mr.keshkamat and mr mhaiskar(my friend) visited mr.bhatt for > asking permission to translate his books.while discussing about rahu,mr > bhatt > has told that still he could not judge nodes. > i dont think he has written this in his books.but i will check with > mr.mhaiskar > whether this point is added in his books or not.and convey accordingly. > -sunil gondhalekar > > > On 3/8/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > > Dear sunil gondhalekar, > > > > Could you kindly give the reference where the best KP narrator Shri > > Bhatt has mentioned what you have said below: > > > > > mr.chandrakant bhatt has mentioned that he could not judge how > > nodes gives > > > the results. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > tw > > > > <% 40>, " sunil > > gondhalekar " > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > dear sujatkaram, > > > first thing is that pl.dont use KP as a (traditional)KP.it may hurt > > > many members again. > > > the sublord of the planet is the main key in KP which opens the > > secrets. > > > in 4 step theory,if there are no planets in star of planet/sub > > then only > > > it signifies relevant houses.but in original kp this rule is not > > considered. > > > in 4 step due weitage is given to 3rd-4th step and it gives the > > results in > > > many cases. > > > pl.see chart of sujata das.dasa is not at all connected with > > houses for > > > marriage but > > > still she has married in that dasa.why?intelligent person has not > > answerd > > > it.i will answer > > > for that.if csl shows the marriage then full span of dasa can not > > be > > > elimated,only bhukti > > > to be rejected.(that is also depends on the time of consultation > > and the > > > span of dasa) > > > in 4 step only strong signification is considered. > > > now for aspect > > > if jupiter is under consideration,if there are any planets in star > > of > > > jupiter > > > then jupiter will not represent any houses alongwith aspects.but > > if there no > > > planets in star > > > of jupiter,then condition will be changed.now jupiter takes the > > > signification of aspected/aspecting > > > planets also.(in that case only planet is to be considered and not > > all > > > steps) > > > now consider jupiter is in star of saturn.planets starlord is > > always > > > strong.so saturn will take signi > > > fication of aspecting/aspected planets. > > > same rule is applicable to sublord of planet. > > > orb of 3-20 is to be considered.this orb can be extended to 5 > > deg.if needed > > > regarding rahu/ketu's aspect. > > > i dont consider rahu/ketu aspects on each other.but if only they > > are on cusp > > > then rep.that cusp > > > but if they are strong and on cusp then aspect on cusp is also > > taken. > > > nodes takes results of plantes if they are aspected/conjunct. > > > separate rules for nodes are mentioned in book.which matches with > > kp > > > principles. > > > mr.chandrakant bhatt has mentioned that he could not judge how > > nodes gives > > > the results. > > > but in study i found that if nodes are aspected or conjuct with > > planet,the > > > nodes takes results > > > of that planet first and they dont offer results of signlordship. > > > vivahyoga book was written in 2000.there are many factors added > > after > > > research which was > > > mentioned in my magazine and then in revised 4 step book. > > > i hope your doubts are clear,but if by any chance you have any > > doubts, > > > pl.mail. > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/2/07, sujatkaram <sujatkaram@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Sunilji, > > > > Sir, > > > > In KP(traditional)the sub-lord of a planet is used to veryfy > > whether > > > > the results by the planet would be favourable or otherwise. Does > > > > this rule hold good for four-step method also? > > > > Secondly, signification by aspect stands fifth in order of > > strengh > > > > whereas in four-step we consider only strong or principal > > > > significators. Therefore I cannot understand as to how > > signification > > > > by aspect can be used in this method. > > > > I am sorry I have not read your latest book on four-step. I have > > read > > > > only " Vivahayoga " > > > > with regards, > > > > sujatkaram <% 40> > > <% > > 40>, > > > > " sunil gondhalekar " > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear members, > > > > > now coming to the further comments. > > > > > regarding aspect, > > > > > KSK has given 5th grade to aspects which everyone knows.but he > > has > > > > not > > > > > neglected > > > > > aspect totally.that means we have to consider aspect in > > judging the > > > > > horoscope.in 4step > > > > > theory separate rules are given for this aspect.the query was > > > > raised for > > > > > ketu's aspect.the reply is: > > > > > ketu has appeared as sublord of planet.there are no planets in > > star > > > > of ketu > > > > > and ketu is on 1st cusp.as per the rules given in theory it > > aspects > > > > 7th > > > > > cusp.in that particular case even this factor is not taken in > > > > > considaration,then also marriage is indicated by the > > signification > > > > of 11th > > > > > house.readers must be knowing that similar case will not be > > found > > > > in studies > > > > > except twin birth,every case is unique. > > > > > > > > > > regarding rahu/ketu i have clearly mentioned the rules in my > > > > book.which are > > > > > tallied with the KSK > > > > > principles.members are requested to view the article written by > > > > mr.tw in may > > > > > e-zine.where he has > > > > > mentioned 2 separate rules given by KSK for rahu/ketu.reading > > this > > > > article i > > > > > conclude that tw can > > > > > only review the books and he can very well critisize to even > > KSK. > > > > > > > > > > the main essence of this theory is to judge the events without > > help > > > > of RP. > > > > > i have never denied the efficacy of RP ,but my experiece says > > that > > > > RP will > > > > > not support to everybody at everytime.pl.see the experiment > > cases > > > > done by > > > > > mr.kanak and mr.rajeevji and > > > > > mr.supraksh regarding the match sticks. > > > > > now why i use RP.i use RP only to confirm cuspal sublord.this > > is > > > > based on > > > > > KSK teaching only. > > > > > pl.refer reader no.3 page 118 wherein KSK has asked to confirm > > csl > > > > with the > > > > > help of RP. > > > > > now finally, i look kp principles as a Geeta.its meanings are > > > > varying from > > > > > person to person. > > > > > so i considered its separate meanings and explained in 4 step > > > > theory. > > > > > finally KP method is not a proprietry concern of a particular > > > > person.i think > > > > > that atleast it is not > > > > > of mr.tw > > > > > so 4 step theory is not at all messed theory but with concrete > > > > > prooven rules. > > > > > thanks > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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