Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Dear members One of my friend asked me that when she can become mother? She got married on 28-Jan-05. Her details are as follows : Date of Birth : 24-Jul-1982 Time of Birth : 16:24 PM Place of Birth : Mathura, UP(27N28, 77E41) I casted her horoscope and found that she can not have this pleasure. I go to Horary and then asked her a number less than 250. She told me 150 at 3:55:15 PM on 08-Oct-2007. I am located in Habshan,Abu Dhabi(23N31, 53E41). I casted horary for this number. The horary chart is as follows: Analysis: For Child Birth we have to see 5 House first. The sub lord (Mars) of 5th house in Star of (Rah) says 1,4,6,8 & 4. these all houses are negating Child Birth. Now we see 2,5,11 houses. we see Jupiter is the common significator of all these houses. and Venus > Jupiter > Ketu dasha is running. I think she will be mother but after lot of troubles in Venus>Jupiter>Sun and as per Transit: Jupiter will be in 5th house at that time Kindly see my analysis and provide the right answer with reason. expert comments are required Regards Dushyant Gautam Dy. Manager - PlanningHABSHAN-3 & AGD II ProjectHabshan, Abu Dhabi, UAEPhone : +971 2 8842 352 / 366 Ext. 205Fax : +971 2 8842 353H/P : +971 5 06891460 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 ~~Om Satguru Shree Sachidanand Sainath Maharaj Ki Jai~~ Dear Dushyant God Bless U After thorough reading of the query chart i am giving my opinion. IF you check query of the person about child birth Significator is Jupiter. Now checK fulfilment of desire. Moon being 10H and 10L is in 11h which is 2nd from 10H means query about addition of family members. Now check 2H and 5H, 2nd and 5th lord sitting in Lagna which is asuring the birth of child. Now check Lagna Lord and 6L sitting in 8H which make problem very critical all she have to do is needed thorough checkup from gynachologist. As it seems that her body is show defiency in giving child birth. Regards. From Pram Chopra On 10/8/07, Dushyant Gautam <dushyantgautam wrote: Dear members One of my friend asked me that when she can become mother? She got married on 28-Jan-05. Her details are as follows : Date of Birth : 24-Jul-1982 Time of Birth : 16:24 PM Place of Birth : Mathura, UP(27N28, 77E41) I casted her horoscope and found that she can not have this pleasure. I go to Horary and then asked her a number less than 250. She told me 150 at 3:55:15 PM on 08-Oct-2007. I am located in Habshan,Abu Dhabi(23N31, 53E41). I casted horary for this number. The horary chart is as follows: Analysis: For Child Birth we have to see 5 House first. The sub lord (Mars) of 5th house in Star of (Rah) says 1,4,6,8 & 4. these all houses are negating Child Birth. Now we see 2,5,11 houses. we see Jupiter is the common significator of all these houses. and Venus > Jupiter > Ketu dasha is running. I think she will be mother but after lot of troubles in Venus>Jupiter>Sun and as per Transit: Jupiter will be in 5th house at that time Kindly see my analysis and provide the right answer with reason. expert comments are required Regards Dushyant Gautam Dy. Manager - PlanningHABSHAN-3 & AGD II ProjectHabshan, Abu Dhabi, UAEPhone : +971 2 8842 352 / 366 Ext. 205Fax : +971 2 8842 353H/P : +971 5 06891460 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Dear Shri Gautam It is indeed nice to see your analysis and your sincere efforts. When 5th CSL Mars is not connected Jupiter nor signify either 2, 5, 11, how come one will have children is not understood. When Jup becomes significators of all the three houses, somehow Mars should reach upto Jup. Alternatively there are no agents of Mars. Regrds MK ViswanathDushyant Gautam <dushyantgautam wrote: Dear members One of my friend asked me that when she can become mother? She got married on 28-Jan-05. Her details are as follows : Date of Birth : 24-Jul-1982 Time of Birth : 16:24 PM Place of Birth : Mathura, UP(27N28, 77E41) I casted her horoscope and found that she can not have this pleasure. I go to Horary and then asked her a number less than 250. She told me 150 at 3:55:15 PM on 08-Oct-2007. I am located in Habshan,Abu Dhabi(23N31, 53E41). I casted horary for this number. The horary chart is as follows: Analysis: For Child Birth we have to see 5 House first. The sub lord (Mars) of 5th house in Star of (Rah) says 1,4,6,8 & 4. these all houses are negating Child Birth. Now we see 2,5,11 houses. we see Jupiter is the common significator of all these houses. and Venus > Jupiter > Ketu dasha is running. I think she will be mother but after lot of troubles in Venus>Jupiter>Sun and as per Transit: Jupiter will be in 5th house at that time Kindly see my analysis and provide the right answer with reason. expert comments are required Regards Dushyant Gautam Dy. Manager - PlanningHABSHAN-3 & AGD II ProjectHabshan, Abu Dhabi, UAEPhone : +971 2 8842 352 / 366 Ext. 205Fax : +971 2 8842 353H/P : +971 5 06891460 Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Dear Mr.Dushyant Gautam In the Horary analyses you have posted the sub-lord of 5th house MARS is in the sub of Jupiter. And Jupiter is strong and the only significator of houses 2 and 5. So in turn Mars thus got the signification for houses 2 and 5. Therefore the lady in question will have a child. However as correctly predicted by you there will be lot of troubles she will have to face because Mars is also the significator of houses 6 (illness),8 (worries, obstructions)and 12 (hospitalization). She is running Venus dasha, Jupiter Bhukti and Ketu antara. According to me sun antara may not be the favourable time since its period ends on 26th May 2008, and normal time for the progeny is around 9 months. Therefore I am of the openion that moon or mars antaras will be fruitful. Because moon and mars are also in the sub of Jupiter who is very strong (and only) significator of the houses 2 and 5. This is my reading. Guidance from learned/senior astrologers is welcome. Subhash , " Dushyant Gautam " <dushyantgautam wrote: > > Dear members > One of my friend asked me that when she can become mother? > She got married on 28-Jan-05. > > Her details are as follows : > Date of Birth : 24-Jul-1982 Time of Birth : 16:24 PM Place of Birth : Mathura, UP(27N28, 77E41) > > I casted her horoscope and found that she can not have this pleasure. > > I go to Horary and then asked her a number less than 250. She told me 150 at 3:55:15 PM on 08-Oct-2007. > I am located in Habshan,Abu Dhabi(23N31, 53E41). I casted horary for this number. > > The horary chart is as follows: > > > > Analysis: > > For Child Birth we have to see 5 House first. > The sub lord (Mars) of 5th house in Star of (Rah) says 1,4,6,8 & 4. these all houses are negating Child Birth. > > Now we see 2,5,11 houses. > we see Jupiter is the common significator of all these houses. > > and Venus > Jupiter > Ketu dasha is running. > > I think she will be mother but after lot of troubles in Venus>Jupiter>Sun > > and as per Transit: Jupiter will be in 5th house at that time > > Kindly see my analysis and provide the right answer with reason. > expert comments are required > > > Regards > > Dushyant Gautam > > Dy. Manager - Planning > HABSHAN-3 & AGD II Project > Habshan, Abu Dhabi, UAE > Phone : +971 2 8842 352 / 366 Ext. 205 > Fax : +971 2 8842 353 > H/P : +971 5 06891460 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 II Om Gurave Namah IIHari OM Dear AsHish Sharma, I am still struggling with my machine.After attending pending commitments of clients whose promised work is in hand , I will automatically revert to you. I will share my understanding, of whatever worth it is. Thank you for your interest. swamircs. OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaB.Sc., Grad ; Telecom Engg: Grad Ayurveda, JyotishiTel: +91 562-2232323/4001223;Mob 9412268768 Email: swami_rcs:http:\\www.kaalvastu.com]----------------------- " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding." - Astrologer_vishy Nair Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:12 PM Re: Child Birth? Dear Shri Gautam It is indeed nice to see your analysis and your sincere efforts. When 5th CSL Mars is not connected Jupiter nor signify either 2, 5, 11, how come one will have children is not understood. When Jup becomes significators of all the three houses, somehow Mars should reach upto Jup. Alternatively there are no agents of Mars. Regrds MK ViswanathDushyant Gautam <dushyantgautam (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear members One of my friend asked me that when she can become mother? She got married on 28-Jan-05. Her details are as follows : Date of Birth : 24-Jul-1982 Time of Birth : 16:24 PM Place of Birth : Mathura, UP(27N28, 77E41) I casted her horoscope and found that she can not have this pleasure. I go to Horary and then asked her a number less than 250. She told me 150 at 3:55:15 PM on 08-Oct-2007. I am located in Habshan,Abu Dhabi(23N31, 53E41). I casted horary for this number. The horary chart is as follows: Analysis: For Child Birth we have to see 5 House first. The sub lord (Mars) of 5th house in Star of (Rah) says 1,4,6,8 & 4. these all houses are negating Child Birth. Now we see 2,5,11 houses. we see Jupiter is the common significator of all these houses. and Venus > Jupiter > Ketu dasha is running. I think she will be mother but after lot of troubles in Venus>Jupiter>Sun and as per Transit: Jupiter will be in 5th house at that time Kindly see my analysis and provide the right answer with reason. expert comments are required Regards Dushyant Gautam Dy. Manager - PlanningHABSHAN-3 & AGD II ProjectHabshan, Abu Dhabi, UAEPhone : +971 2 8842 352 / 366 Ext. 205Fax : +971 2 8842 353H/P : +971 5 06891460 Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Dears Vishy Nair & Gautam, Kindly check whether any case is made out for the chance of "adoption"...? ! With kind regards, L.Y.Rao.Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair wrote: Dear Shri Gautam It is indeed nice to see your analysis and your sincere efforts. When 5th CSL Mars is not connected Jupiter nor signify either 2, 5, 11, how come one will have children is not understood. When Jup becomes significators of all the three houses, somehow Mars should reach upto Jup. Alternatively there are no agents of Mars. Regrds MK ViswanathDushyant Gautam <dushyantgautam (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear members One of my friend asked me that when she can become mother? She got married on 28-Jan-05. Her details are as follows : Date of Birth : 24-Jul-1982 Time of Birth : 16:24 PM Place of Birth : Mathura, UP(27N28, 77E41) I casted her horoscope and found that she can not have this pleasure. I go to Horary and then asked her a number less than 250. She told me 150 at 3:55:15 PM on 08-Oct-2007. I am located in Habshan,Abu Dhabi(23N31, 53E41). I casted horary for this number. The horary chart is as follows: Analysis: For Child Birth we have to see 5 House first. The sub lord (Mars) of 5th house in Star of (Rah) says 1,4,6,8 & 4. these all houses are negating Child Birth. Now we see 2,5,11 houses. we see Jupiter is the common significator of all these houses. and Venus > Jupiter > Ketu dasha is running. I think she will be mother but after lot of troubles in Venus>Jupiter>Sun and as per Transit: Jupiter will be in 5th house at that time Kindly see my analysis and provide the right answer with reason. expert comments are required Regards Dushyant Gautam Dy. Manager - PlanningHABSHAN-3 & AGD II ProjectHabshan, Abu Dhabi, UAEPhone : +971 2 8842 352 / 366 Ext. 205Fax : +971 2 8842 353H/P : +971 5 06891460 Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 dear shri.ektare, can you check that issue is not seen from natal? if it is not seen in natal then how horary will work? -sunil gondhalekar On 10/11/07, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote: Dear Mr.Dushyant GautamIn the Horary analyses you have posted the sub-lord of 5th house MARS is in the sub of Jupiter. And Jupiter is strong and the only significator of houses 2 and 5. So in turn Mars thus got the signification for houses 2 and 5. Therefore the lady in question will have a child.However as correctly predicted by you there will be lot of troubles she will have to face because Mars is also the significator of houses 6 (illness),8 (worries, obstructions)and 12 (hospitalization).She is running Venus dasha, Jupiter Bhukti and Ketu antara. According to me sun antara may not be the favourable time since its period ends on 26th May 2008, and normal time for the progeny is around 9 months. Therefore I am of the openion that moon or mars antaras will be fruitful. Because moon and mars are also in the sub of Jupiter who is very strong (and only) significator of the houses 2 and 5. This is my reading. Guidance from learned/senior astrologers is welcome.Subhash , " Dushyant Gautam " <dushyantgautam wrote:>> Dear members> One of my friend asked me that when she can become mother?> She got married on 28-Jan-05. > > Her details are as follows :> Date of Birth : 24-Jul-1982 Time of Birth : 16:24 PM Place of Birth : Mathura, UP(27N28, 77E41)> > I casted her horoscope and found that she can not have this pleasure.> > I go to Horary and then asked her a number less than 250. She told me 150 at 3:55:15 PM on 08-Oct-2007.> I am located in Habshan,Abu Dhabi(23N31, 53E41). I casted horary for this number. > > The horary chart is as follows:> > > > Analysis:> > For Child Birth we have to see 5 House first.> The sub lord (Mars) of 5th house in Star of (Rah) says 1,4,6,8 & 4. these all houses are negating Child Birth.> > Now we see 2,5,11 houses.> we see Jupiter is the common significator of all these houses.> > and Venus > Jupiter > Ketu dasha is running. > > I think she will be mother but after lot of troubles in Venus>Jupiter>Sun> > and as per Transit: Jupiter will be in 5th house at that time> > Kindly see my analysis and provide the right answer with reason. > expert comments are required> > > Regards> > Dushyant Gautam> > Dy. Manager - Planning> HABSHAN-3 & AGD II Project> Habshan, Abu Dhabi, UAE> Phone : +971 2 8842 352 / 366 Ext. 205 > Fax : +971 2 8842 353> H/P : +971 5 06891460> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Dear Group Members I think she will not have any child because to have a child there are three conditions : Sub Lord of 5 Cusp should not retrograde Sub Lord of 5 Cusp in Star of should not retrograde Sub Lord of 5 Cusp and in Star should Signify 2 or 5 or 11. If any condition fails than one can not have child. In our case the Sublord of 5th Cusp is Mars and In Star of Rahu. Mars & Rahu are the Significators of 1,4,6,8 & 4 respectively Now condition 1 & 2 are true but it does not satisfies the last condition. So there will be no child. if we analysis 11th Cusp, The Sublord of 11th Cusp is Rahu and In Star of Rahu. Rahu is the Significators of 4. So the result remains same. Your comments are required on this analysis. Regards Dushyant Gautam Dy. Manager - PlanningHABSHAN-3 & AGD II ProjectHabshan, Abu Dhabi, UAEPhone : +971 2 8842 352 / 366 Ext. 205Fax : +971 2 8842 353H/P : +971 5 06891460 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Dear Sir, After errecting Natal Horoscope, I felt that rectification of birth time is required because the Sub of Asc which is Jup does not at all co-relate to moon star. When I tried to confirm this sub with RPs even now @ 1.00 AM at Santa Clara, California it strogly indicates that the sub should be saturn instead of jupiter. And Saturn sub of Asc starts @ 16:26 hrs i.e 2 minutes after the given TOB. It is quite possible that the TOB given is not accurate. If we cast the horoscope for 16:26 hrs (instead of 16:24 hrs) the picture changes. 5th cusp sublord saturn now gets the strong signification for house 2 (on 4th step) allowing the lady to enjoy the motherhood. This is what the Horary chart also confirms. This is the basis of my openion. I request you and other senior members of the group to correct me if I am wrong and guide properly. Thank you Subhash , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear shri.ektare, > can you check that issue is not seen from natal? > if it is not seen in natal then how horary will work? > -sunil gondhalekar > > > On 10/11/07, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote: > > > > Dear Mr.Dushyant Gautam > > > > In the Horary analyses you have posted the sub-lord of 5th house MARS > > is in the sub of Jupiter. And Jupiter is strong and the only > > significator of houses 2 and 5. So in turn Mars thus got the > > signification for houses 2 and 5. Therefore the lady in question will > > have a child. > > > > However as correctly predicted by you there will be lot of troubles > > she will have to face because Mars is also the significator of > > houses 6 (illness),8 (worries, obstructions)and 12 (hospitalization). > > > > She is running Venus dasha, Jupiter Bhukti and Ketu antara. > > According to me sun antara may not be the favourable time since its > > period ends on 26th May 2008, and normal time for the progeny is > > around 9 months. Therefore I am of the openion that moon or mars > > antaras will be fruitful. Because moon and mars are also in the sub > > of Jupiter who is very strong (and only) significator of the houses 2 > > and 5. > > > > This is my reading. Guidance from learned/senior astrologers is > > welcome. > > > > Subhash > > > > <%40>, > > " Dushyant Gautam " > > <dushyantgautam@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear members > > > One of my friend asked me that when she can become mother? > > > She got married on 28-Jan-05. > > > > > > Her details are as follows : > > > Date of Birth : 24-Jul-1982 Time of Birth : 16:24 PM Place of > > Birth : Mathura, UP(27N28, 77E41) > > > > > > I casted her horoscope and found that she can not have this > > pleasure. > > > > > > I go to Horary and then asked her a number less than 250. She told > > me 150 at 3:55:15 PM on 08-Oct-2007. > > > I am located in Habshan,Abu Dhabi(23N31, 53E41). I casted horary > > for this number. > > > > > > The horary chart is as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > Analysis: > > > > > > For Child Birth we have to see 5 House first. > > > The sub lord (Mars) of 5th house in Star of (Rah) says 1,4,6,8 & 4. > > these all houses are negating Child Birth. > > > > > > Now we see 2,5,11 houses. > > > we see Jupiter is the common significator of all these houses. > > > > > > and Venus > Jupiter > Ketu dasha is running. > > > > > > I think she will be mother but after lot of troubles in > > Venus>Jupiter>Sun > > > > > > and as per Transit: Jupiter will be in 5th house at that time > > > > > > Kindly see my analysis and provide the right answer with reason. > > > expert comments are required > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Dushyant Gautam > > > > > > Dy. Manager - Planning > > > HABSHAN-3 & AGD II Project > > > Habshan, Abu Dhabi, UAE > > > Phone : +971 2 8842 352 / 366 Ext. 205 > > > Fax : +971 2 8842 353 > > > H/P : +971 5 06891460 > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 dear shri ektare, recd.your mail just now,at present capricorn is rising and hence 5th sub must be saturn. my point was that if natal does not show the event then how horary will work? and give the positive result.-sunil gondhalekar On 10/12/07, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote: Dear Sir,After errecting Natal Horoscope, I felt that rectification of birth time is required because the Sub of Asc which is Jup does not at all co-relate to moon star. When I tried to confirm this sub with RPs even now @ 1.00 AM at Santa Clara, California it strogly indicates that the sub should be saturn instead of jupiter. And Saturn sub of Asc starts @ 16:26 hrs i.e 2 minutes after the given TOB. It is quite possible that the TOB given is not accurate.If we cast the horoscope for 16:26 hrs (instead of 16:24 hrs) the picture changes. 5th cusp sublord saturn now gets the strong signification for house 2 (on 4th step) allowing the lady to enjoy the motherhood. This is what the Horary chart also confirms. This is the basis of my openion. I request you and other senior members of the group to correct me if I am wrong and guide properly. Thank you Subhash , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote:>> dear shri.ektare,> can you check that issue is not seen from natal?> if it is not seen in natal then how horary will work?> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On 10/11/07, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote:> >> > Dear Mr.Dushyant Gautam> >> > In the Horary analyses you have posted the sub-lord of 5th house MARS> > is in the sub of Jupiter. And Jupiter is strong and the only> > significator of houses 2 and 5. So in turn Mars thus got the> > signification for houses 2 and 5. Therefore the lady in question will> > have a child.> >> > However as correctly predicted by you there will be lot of troubles> > she will have to face because Mars is also the significator of> > houses 6 (illness),8 (worries, obstructions)and 12 (hospitalization).> >> > She is running Venus dasha, Jupiter Bhukti and Ketu antara.> > According to me sun antara may not be the favourable time since its> > period ends on 26th May 2008, and normal time for the progeny is > > around 9 months. Therefore I am of the openion that moon or mars> > antaras will be fruitful. Because moon and mars are also in the sub> > of Jupiter who is very strong (and only) significator of the houses 2> > and 5.> >> > This is my reading. Guidance from learned/senior astrologers is> > welcome.> >> > Subhash> >> > <%40>, > > " Dushyant Gautam " > > <dushyantgautam@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear members> > > One of my friend asked me that when she can become mother? > > > She got married on 28-Jan-05.> > >> > > Her details are as follows :> > > Date of Birth : 24-Jul-1982 Time of Birth : 16:24 PM Place of> > Birth : Mathura, UP(27N28, 77E41) > > >> > > I casted her horoscope and found that she can not have this> > pleasure.> > >> > > I go to Horary and then asked her a number less than 250. She told> > me 150 at 3:55:15 PM on 08-Oct-2007.> > > I am located in Habshan,Abu Dhabi(23N31, 53E41). I casted horary> > for this number.> > >> > > The horary chart is as follows: > > >> > >> > >> > > Analysis:> > >> > > For Child Birth we have to see 5 House first.> > > The sub lord (Mars) of 5th house in Star of (Rah) says 1,4,6,8 & 4.> > these all houses are negating Child Birth.> > >> > > Now we see 2,5,11 houses.> > > we see Jupiter is the common significator of all these houses.> > > > > > and Venus > Jupiter > Ketu dasha is running.> > >> > > I think she will be mother but after lot of troubles in> > Venus>Jupiter>Sun> > >> > > and as per Transit: Jupiter will be in 5th house at that time > > >> > > Kindly see my analysis and provide the right answer with reason.> > > expert comments are required> > >> > >> > > Regards> > > > > > Dushyant Gautam> > >> > > Dy. Manager - Planning> > > HABSHAN-3 & AGD II Project> > > Habshan, Abu Dhabi, UAE> > > Phone : +971 2 8842 352 / 366 Ext. 205 > > > Fax : +971 2 8842 353> > > H/P : +971 5 06891460> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Sirs Fantasic question by Sunil ji. Regards MK Viswanathsunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: dear shri.ektare, can you check that issue is not seen from natal? if it is not seen in natal then how horary will work? -sunil gondhalekar On 10/11/07, Subhash <subhash_ektare > wrote: Dear Mr.Dushyant GautamIn the Horary analyses you have posted the sub-lord of 5th house MARS is in the sub of Jupiter. And Jupiter is strong and the only significator of houses 2 and 5. So in turn Mars thus got the signification for houses 2 and 5. Therefore the lady in question will have a child.However as correctly predicted by you there will be lot of troubles she will have to face because Mars is also the significator of houses 6 (illness),8 (worries, obstructions)and 12 (hospitalization).She is running Venus dasha, Jupiter Bhukti and Ketu antara. According to me sun antara may not be the favourable time since its period ends on 26th May 2008, and normal time for the progeny is around 9 months. Therefore I am of the openion that moon or mars antaras will be fruitful. Because moon and mars are also in the sub of Jupiter who is very strong (and only) significator of the houses 2 and 5. This is my reading. Guidance from learned/senior astrologers is welcome.Subhash , "Dushyant Gautam" <dushyantgautam wrote:>> Dear members> One of my friend asked me that when she can become mother?> She got married on 28-Jan-05.> > Her details are as follows :> Date of Birth : 24-Jul-1982 Time of Birth : 16:24 PM Place of Birth : Mathura, UP(27N28, 77E41)> > I casted her horoscope and found that she can not have this pleasure.> > I go to Horary and then asked her a number less than 250. She told me 150 at 3:55:15 PM on 08-Oct-2007.> I am located in Habshan,Abu Dhabi(23N31, 53E41). I casted horary for this number. > > The horary chart is as follows:> > > > Analysis:> > For Child Birth we have to see 5 House first.> The sub lord (Mars) of 5th house in Star of (Rah) says 1,4,6,8 & 4. these all houses are negating Child Birth.> > Now we see 2,5,11 houses.> we see Jupiter is the common significator of all these houses.> > and Venus > Jupiter > Ketu dasha is running. > > I think she will be mother but after lot of troubles in Venus>Jupiter>Sun> > and as per Transit: Jupiter will be in 5th house at that time> > Kindly see my analysis and provide the right answer with reason. > expert comments are required> > > Regards> > Dushyant Gautam> > Dy. Manager - Planning> HABSHAN-3 & AGD II Project> Habshan, Abu Dhabi, UAE> Phone : +971 2 8842 352 / 366 Ext. 205 > Fax : +971 2 8842 353> H/P : +971 5 06891460> Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Respected Sir Sunil ji In my humble openion, for the prediction based on Horary to be correct there is no pre-condition that Natal chart must also give same indication. This is because the data given for Natal chart is sometimes likely to be inaccurate, while in Horary this in not the case. In fact Horary method is best suited in cases where birth data is either not available or approximate/inaccurate. In current case the sublord of the lagna, in Natal chart, is Jup. I wanted to confirm this with the help of ruling planets because it had no connection to the starlord of the Moon. And RPs did not show Jup while Saturn was represented strongly in RPs. So I concluded that saturn should be the lagna sublord. When I saw that only within a short period of 2 minutes Saturn appears as the sublord of lagna the natural reaction was " rectification for the birth time is required". So taking the changed birth time as 16:26 Hrs as against 16:24 Hrs.given by the client I errected the horoscope. And to my surprise the picture became clear. Since the 5th sub lord Saturn (which is not changed in this 2 minutes) gets the strong signification of house 2 because of chanfed cuspal position for house 2 in perticular. And as per KP rule the lady in question can have a pleasure of being mother. The horary chart errected by Mr. Dushyant Gautam also supports this prediction. I hope atleast now I have put my views without any ambiguity. Please guide me in case I am wrong. Comments from senior members of the group are welcome. Subhash Ektare Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Respected Mr. Balaji, Sir, You will please excuse me for intervening in the discussion but the point raised by you is highly debatable.If I understand you correct, you are maintaining that the Natal chart does not give the complete forecast of the jataka,s life. And you have advanced Karma-phal- siddhanta in support of your arguement. I am interested. Kindly clarify your arguement further in detail. Please! with regards, sujatkaram..--- In , " ramanathan balaji " <vaideeswar wrote: > > > Respected Sunilji, > > Out of curiosity Iam asking this question, please do not mistake me. > > Natal chart is based on prarabhada karma, but Horarary takes care of both prarabdha and sanchita karma, where sometimes a matter not promised in natal chart, but guranteed in horary chart. Perhaps this could be one of the reasons Our beloved Guruji KSK, most of time dependant on Horary chart and could see lot of sucess. > > R.Balaji > hyderabad > > On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 sunil gondhalekar wrote : > >dear shri ektare, > >recd.your mail just now,at present capricorn is rising and hence > >5th sub must be saturn. > >my point was that if natal does not show the event then how horary will > >work? > >and give the positive result. > >-sunil gondhalekar > > > >On 10/12/07, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > After errecting Natal Horoscope, I felt that rectification of birth > > > time is required because the Sub of Asc which is Jup does not at all > > > co-relate to moon star. When I tried to confirm this sub with RPs > > > even now @ 1.00 AM at Santa Clara, California it strogly indicates > > > that the sub should be saturn instead of jupiter. And Saturn sub of > > > Asc starts @ 16:26 hrs i.e 2 minutes after the given TOB. It is quite > > > possible that the TOB given is not accurate. > > > > > > If we cast the horoscope for 16:26 hrs (instead of 16:24 hrs) the > > > picture changes. 5th cusp sublord saturn now gets the strong > > > signification for house 2 (on 4th step) allowing the lady to enjoy > > > the motherhood. This is what the Horary chart also confirms. This is > > > the basis of my openion. > > > > > > I request you and other senior members of the group to correct me if > > > I am wrong and guide properly. Thank you > > > > > > Subhash > > > > > > <% 40>, " sunil > > > gondhalekar " > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear shri.ektare, > > > > can you check that issue is not seen from natal? > > > > if it is not seen in natal then how horary will work? > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/11/07, Subhash <subhash_ektare@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Dushyant Gautam > > > > > > > > > > In the Horary analyses you have posted the sub-lord of 5th house > > > MARS > > > > > is in the sub of Jupiter. And Jupiter is strong and the only > > > > > significator of houses 2 and 5. So in turn Mars thus got the > > > > > signification for houses 2 and 5. Therefore the lady in question > > > will > > > > > have a child. > > > > > > > > > > However as correctly predicted by you there will be lot of > > > troubles > > > > > she will have to face because Mars is also the significator of > > > > > houses 6 (illness),8 (worries, obstructions)and 12 > > > (hospitalization). > > > > > > > > > > She is running Venus dasha, Jupiter Bhukti and Ketu antara. > > > > > According to me sun antara may not be the favourable time since > > > its > > > > > period ends on 26th May 2008, and normal time for the progeny is > > > > > around 9 months. Therefore I am of the openion that moon or mars > > > > > antaras will be fruitful. Because moon and mars are also in the > > > sub > > > > > of Jupiter who is very strong (and only) significator of the > > > houses 2 > > > > > and 5. > > > > > > > > > > This is my reading. Guidance from learned/senior astrologers is > > > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > Subhash > > > > > > > > > > <% 40><%40>, > > > > > " Dushyant Gautam " > > > > > <dushyantgautam@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members > > > > > > One of my friend asked me that when she can become mother? > > > > > > She got married on 28-Jan-05. > > > > > > > > > > > > Her details are as follows : > > > > > > Date of Birth : 24-Jul-1982 Time of Birth : 16:24 PM Place of > > > > > Birth : Mathura, UP(27N28, 77E41) > > > > > > > > > > > > I casted her horoscope and found that she can not have this > > > > > pleasure. > > > > > > > > > > > > I go to Horary and then asked her a number less than 250. She > > > told > > > > > me 150 at 3:55:15 PM on 08-Oct-2007. > > > > > > I am located in Habshan,Abu Dhabi(23N31, 53E41). I casted horary > > > > > for this number. > > > > > > > > > > > > The horary chart is as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > For Child Birth we have to see 5 House first. > > > > > > The sub lord (Mars) of 5th house in Star of (Rah) says 1,4,6,8 > > > & 4. > > > > > these all houses are negating Child Birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we see 2,5,11 houses. > > > > > > we see Jupiter is the common significator of all these houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus > Jupiter > Ketu dasha is running. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think she will be mother but after lot of troubles in > > > > > Venus>Jupiter>Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > and as per Transit: Jupiter will be in 5th house at that time > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly see my analysis and provide the right answer with reason. > > > > > > expert comments are required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Dushyant Gautam > > > > > > > > > > > > Dy. Manager - Planning > > > > > > HABSHAN-3 & AGD II Project > > > > > > Habshan, Abu Dhabi, UAE > > > > > > Phone : +971 2 8842 352 / 366 Ext. 205 > > > > > > Fax : +971 2 8842 353 > > > > > > H/P : +971 5 06891460 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 dear shri.balaji, if horary gives the result even natal does not allow to fructify the event, then what is the use of natal? i am using natal in most cases and found good results that doesnt mean i dont believe horary -sunil gondhalekar On 10/13/07, sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: Respected Mr. Balaji,Sir,You will please excuse me for intervening in the discussion but the point raised by you is highly debatable.If I understand you correct, you are maintaining that the Natal chart does not give the complete forecast of the jataka,s life. And you have advanced Karma-phal-siddhanta in support of your arguement. I am interested. Kindly clarify your arguement further in detail. Please! with regards, sujatkaram.. , " ramanathan balaji " <vaideeswar wrote:> > > Respected Sunilji,> > Out of curiosity Iam asking this question, please do not mistake me.> > Natal chart is based on prarabhada karma, but Horarary takes care of both prarabdha and sanchita karma, where sometimes a matter not promised in natal chart, but guranteed in horary chart. Perhaps this could be one of the reasons Our beloved Guruji KSK, most of time dependant on Horary chart and could see lot of sucess.> > R.Balaji> hyderabad> > On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 sunil gondhalekar wrote :> >dear shri ektare,> >recd.your mail just now,at present capricorn is rising and hence> >5th sub must be saturn. > >my point was that if natal does not show the event then how horary will> >work?> >and give the positive result.> >-sunil gondhalekar> > > >On 10/12/07, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sir,> > >> > > After errecting Natal Horoscope, I felt that rectification of birth> > > time is required because the Sub of Asc which is Jup does not at all> > > co-relate to moon star. When I tried to confirm this sub with RPs> > > even now @ 1.00 AM at Santa Clara, California it strogly indicates> > > that the sub should be saturn instead of jupiter. And Saturn sub of> > > Asc starts @ 16:26 hrs i.e 2 minutes after the given TOB. It is quite> > > possible that the TOB given is not accurate.> > >> > > If we cast the horoscope for 16:26 hrs (instead of 16:24 hrs) the> > > picture changes. 5th cusp sublord saturn now gets the strong > > > signification for house 2 (on 4th step) allowing the lady to enjoy> > > the motherhood. This is what the Horary chart also confirms. This is> > > the basis of my openion. > > >> > > I request you and other senior members of the group to correct me if> > > I am wrong and guide properly. Thank you> > >> > > Subhash > > >> > > <% 40>, " sunil> > > gondhalekar " > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear shri.ektare,> > > > can you check that issue is not seen from natal?> > > > if it is not seen in natal then how horary will work?> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/11/07, Subhash <subhash_ektare@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Mr.Dushyant Gautam> > > > > > > > > > In the Horary analyses you have posted the sub-lord of 5th house> > > MARS> > > > > is in the sub of Jupiter. And Jupiter is strong and the only> > > > > significator of houses 2 and 5. So in turn Mars thus got the > > > > > signification for houses 2 and 5. Therefore the lady in question> > > will> > > > > have a child.> > > > >> > > > > However as correctly predicted by you there will be lot of > > > troubles> > > > > she will have to face because Mars is also the significator of> > > > > houses 6 (illness),8 (worries, obstructions)and 12> > > (hospitalization). > > > > >> > > > > She is running Venus dasha, Jupiter Bhukti and Ketu antara.> > > > > According to me sun antara may not be the favourable time since> > > its > > > > > period ends on 26th May 2008, and normal time for the progeny is> > > > > around 9 months. Therefore I am of the openion that moon or mars> > > > > antaras will be fruitful. Because moon and mars are also in the> > > sub> > > > > of Jupiter who is very strong (and only) significator of the> > > houses 2> > > > > and 5.> > > > >> > > > > This is my reading. Guidance from learned/senior astrologers is> > > > > welcome.> > > > >> > > > > Subhash> > > > >> > > > > <%40><%40gr oups.com>, > > > > > " Dushyant Gautam " > > > > > <dushyantgautam@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear members > > > > > > One of my friend asked me that when she can become mother?> > > > > > She got married on 28-Jan-05.> > > > > >> > > > > > Her details are as follows : > > > > > > Date of Birth : 24-Jul-1982 Time of Birth : 16:24 PM Place of> > > > > Birth : Mathura, UP(27N28, 77E41)> > > > > >> > > > > > I casted her horoscope and found that she can not have this> > > > > pleasure.> > > > > >> > > > > > I go to Horary and then asked her a number less than 250. She> > > told> > > > > me 150 at 3:55:15 PM on 08-Oct-2007. > > > > > > I am located in Habshan,Abu Dhabi(23N31, 53E41). I casted horary> > > > > for this number.> > > > > >> > > > > > The horary chart is as follows: > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Analysis:> > > > > >> > > > > > For Child Birth we have to see 5 House first. > > > > > > The sub lord (Mars) of 5th house in Star of (Rah) says 1,4,6,8> > > & 4.> > > > > these all houses are negating Child Birth.> > > > > > > > > > > > Now we see 2,5,11 houses.> > > > > > we see Jupiter is the common significator of all these houses.> > > > > >> > > > > > and Venus > Jupiter > Ketu dasha is running. > > > > > >> > > > > > I think she will be mother but after lot of troubles in> > > > > Venus>Jupiter>Sun> > > > > >> > > > > > and as per Transit: Jupiter will be in 5th house at that time> > > > > >> > > > > > Kindly see my analysis and provide the right answer with reason.> > > > > > expert comments are required> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Dushyant Gautam> > > > > >> > > > > > Dy. Manager - Planning > > > > > > HABSHAN-3 & AGD II Project> > > > > > Habshan, Abu Dhabi, UAE> > > > > > Phone : +971 2 8842 352 / 366 Ext. 205> > > > > > Fax : +971 2 8842 353 > > > > > > H/P : +971 5 06891460> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Dear Shri.Sujatkaram, Yes. You are right it is highly debatable only. Just because i have raised this it does not meant that iam corect. But what I understand from different platforms/asto forums/books that the natal chart is nothing but snap short at the of time birth and the configuration is purely based on past deeds. The natal chart is suppose to give the entire life picture/pattern of this present(Assume that time of birth is correct)janma. But sometimes a matter not promised in a natal chart, but things works out differently/happens contrary to that matter in question,which you might have seen in different charts, then we can try out horary where we find the same matter is promised, this could due to good/bad deeds of the present janma.Hence i feel prasna chart takes care of karma did till at the time prasna. This is my understanding. Your are well aware that astrolgy is intuitive science where all the time one plus one is not always two. R.Balaji Hyderabad R.Balaji On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 sujatkaram wrote : >Respected Mr. Balaji, >Sir, >You will please excuse me for intervening in the discussion but the >point raised by you is highly debatable.If I understand you correct, >you are maintaining that the Natal chart does not give the complete >forecast of the jataka,s life. And you have advanced Karma-phal- >siddhanta in support of your arguement. I am interested. Kindly >clarify your arguement further in detail. Please! >with regards, sujatkaram..--- In > , " ramanathan balaji " <vaideeswar >wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sunilji, > > > > Out of curiosity Iam asking this question, please do not mistake >me. > > > > Natal chart is based on prarabhada karma, but Horarary takes >care of both prarabdha and sanchita karma, where sometimes a matter >not promised in natal chart, but guranteed in horary chart. Perhaps >this could be one of the reasons Our beloved Guruji KSK, most of time >dependant on Horary chart and could see lot of sucess. > > > > R.Balaji > > hyderabad > > > > On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 sunil gondhalekar wrote : > > >dear shri ektare, > > >recd.your mail just now,at present capricorn is rising and hence > > >5th sub must be saturn. > > >my point was that if natal does not show the event then how horary >will > > >work? > > >and give the positive result. > > >-sunil gondhalekar > > > > > >On 10/12/07, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > After errecting Natal Horoscope, I felt that rectification of >birth > > > > time is required because the Sub of Asc which is Jup does not >at all > > > > co-relate to moon star. When I tried to confirm this sub with >RPs > > > > even now @ 1.00 AM at Santa Clara, California it strogly >indicates > > > > that the sub should be saturn instead of jupiter. And Saturn >sub of > > > > Asc starts @ 16:26 hrs i.e 2 minutes after the given TOB. It is >quite > > > > possible that the TOB given is not accurate. > > > > > > > > If we cast the horoscope for 16:26 hrs (instead of 16:24 hrs) >the > > > > picture changes. 5th cusp sublord saturn now gets the strong > > > > signification for house 2 (on 4th step) allowing the lady to >enjoy > > > > the motherhood. This is what the Horary chart also confirms. >This is > > > > the basis of my openion. > > > > > > > > I request you and other senior members of the group to correct >me if > > > > I am wrong and guide properly. Thank you > > > > > > > > Subhash > > > > > > > > <% >40>, " sunil > > > > gondhalekar " > > > > <sunilalaka@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear shri.ektare, > > > > > can you check that issue is not seen from natal? > > > > > if it is not seen in natal then how horary will work? > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/11/07, Subhash <subhash_ektare@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Dushyant Gautam > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Horary analyses you have posted the sub-lord of 5th >house > > > > MARS > > > > > > is in the sub of Jupiter. And Jupiter is strong and the only > > > > > > significator of houses 2 and 5. So in turn Mars thus got the > > > > > > signification for houses 2 and 5. Therefore the lady in >question > > > > will > > > > > > have a child. > > > > > > > > > > > > However as correctly predicted by you there will be lot of > > > > troubles > > > > > > she will have to face because Mars is also the significator >of > > > > > > houses 6 (illness),8 (worries, obstructions)and 12 > > > > (hospitalization). > > > > > > > > > > > > She is running Venus dasha, Jupiter Bhukti and Ketu antara. > > > > > > According to me sun antara may not be the favourable time >since > > > > its > > > > > > period ends on 26th May 2008, and normal time for the >progeny is > > > > > > around 9 months. Therefore I am of the openion that moon or >mars > > > > > > antaras will be fruitful. Because moon and mars are also in >the > > > > sub > > > > > > of Jupiter who is very strong (and only) significator of the > > > > houses 2 > > > > > > and 5. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my reading. Guidance from learned/senior >astrologers is > > > > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > Subhash > > > > > > > > > > > > <% >40><%40>, > > > > > > " Dushyant Gautam " > > > > > > <dushyantgautam@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members > > > > > > > One of my friend asked me that when she can become mother? > > > > > > > She got married on 28-Jan-05. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Her details are as follows : > > > > > > > Date of Birth : 24-Jul-1982 Time of Birth : 16:24 PM >Place of > > > > > > Birth : Mathura, UP(27N28, 77E41) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I casted her horoscope and found that she can not have >this > > > > > > pleasure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go to Horary and then asked her a number less than 250. >She > > > > told > > > > > > me 150 at 3:55:15 PM on 08-Oct-2007. > > > > > > > I am located in Habshan,Abu Dhabi(23N31, 53E41). I casted >horary > > > > > > for this number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The horary chart is as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Child Birth we have to see 5 House first. > > > > > > > The sub lord (Mars) of 5th house in Star of (Rah) says >1,4,6,8 > > > > & 4. > > > > > > these all houses are negating Child Birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we see 2,5,11 houses. > > > > > > > we see Jupiter is the common significator of all these >houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Venus > Jupiter > Ketu dasha is running. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think she will be mother but after lot of troubles in > > > > > > Venus>Jupiter>Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as per Transit: Jupiter will be in 5th house at that >time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly see my analysis and provide the right answer with >reason. > > > > > > > expert comments are required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dushyant Gautam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dy. Manager - Planning > > > > > > > HABSHAN-3 & AGD II Project > > > > > > > Habshan, Abu Dhabi, UAE > > > > > > > Phone : +971 2 8842 352 / 366 Ext. 205 > > > > > > > Fax : +971 2 8842 353 > > > > > > > H/P : +971 5 06891460 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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