Speculations-Love affairs for Leo nativity

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Dear Tin Win Ji,

Thanks a lot for analysing the chart and sharing your knowledge. It is indeed a good learning exercise for me.

Regards,

K.Babu

 

, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> > Dear Babu ji,> > 1. It's true that the native has no problem with money because he was> born to be a rich man: a) as per Shri Shanmugum's wealth rule, 2nd> cuspal sublord Moon signifies 2,6,11 along with 5,12 (perhaps with> speculative and spend free spirit); b) as per Rasi chart 1= having aim> and his effort to achieve the aim, 2= wealth, income, 5= having> intelligence in making effort to achieve the aim, 11= fullfiment of> desire, gain of money, wealth and 9= fortune to achieve the aim are> connected.> > 2. To get a land upto his satisfaction may be jsut a problem of timing> for a really strong signification of 11th house. Madame Lalu with even> 4th sublord Rahu has unexpectedly bought the house recently.> > 3. As mentioned in the study note on 4 Step, it's the problem with the> charts with a lot or a few of primary significators. It's absolutely> natural that one gets stuck when he or she comes across such cases.> Madame Sujata Das is saying that the 3rd and 4th steps are more> important.> > 4. If Dasa lord is a primary significator of simmultaneously gaining> and loosing houses, it's logical to take the opportunity in favorable> Bhukti/Atara preferably by 3rd and 4th step, and to avoid the > unfavorable Bhukti/Antara taking into consideration of trasit.> > Good luck!> > tw> > > > > > > , "babukrcbe" babukrcbe@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Tin Win Ji,> >> > Thanks for your answer and you have pointed out my incorrect> > understanding of aspects on Ket. Earlier, I understood that the> > aspecting planet has to be the primary significator in order to> > influence the aspected planet, which is incorrect. Now, I stand> > corrected.> > Thanks a million.> >> > Please clarify the following> >> > I have summarized the primary significators of planets in all 4 steps> > per planet> >> > Sun 1,3,4,7,8,9,10,11,12> > Moon 1,5,6,7,11> > Mars 2,3,4,9,11,12> > Jupiter 1,3,4,7,8,9,11,12> > Venus 3,4,5,8,9,11,12 9,12> > Saturn 1,3,4,5,7,8,9,11> > Rahu 2,9,12> > Ketu 3,4,5,8,9,11,12> > Mercury 1,3,4,7,8,9,11,12> >> > During period, Mercury-Jupiter-Saturn (01-05-2007 to 12-09-2007> > [dd-mm-yyyy]) that signifies> > 1,3,4,7,8,9,11,12 -> 1,3,4,7,8,9,11,12 -> 1,3,4,5,7,8,9,11> respectively> >> > 1) Puchasing a land 4,11,12 should be signified and saturn should be a> > significator too [Ref KP Ezine Oct house grouping].> > D -> 4,11,12 B -> 4,11,12 A -> 4,11,12> > During this period native tried a lot to purchase a land but vain. Can> > we attribute this to "Transit did not agree?". I had a quick glance at> > transit during that period Me ->STL Ve,Su,Mo Ju->SUB Ra,Ju,Sa,Me> > Sa->SUB Ra. Almost transit has all the houses signified yet event did> > not happen. This kind of thing happen when there are so many> > significators for house / a planet signifying many houses. Please> > suggest me how to approach such charts.> >> > Note: Native has no problem with money but did not get a land upto his> > satisfaction.> >> > Now native is currently running Me-Ju-Ke (DBA)> > Mercury-Jupiter-Ketu (06-01-2008 to 22-02-2008 [dd-mm-yyyy]) signfies> > 1,3,4,7,8,9,11,12 -> 1,3,4,7,8,9,11,12 -> 3,4,5,8,9,11,12> respectively.> >> > 2) Speculation : DBA indicates 1,5,11 for profit chain and it> indicates> > 8,12,9(8th to 2nd) for loss chain. We got a dichotomy, how do we> > approach this?> >> > 3) Native is still trying to buy a land. Let us see what happens and> > keep you all posted.> >> > 4) As there are too many houses signified by a planet and thier> > conjoining period may promise many events but not all are happening.> How> > do we approach such charts?> >> > I get stuck when I come across such cases. Your insight in this regard> > would immensely help me. Thanks for spending your valuable time in> this> > regard.> >> > Thanks & Regards,> > K.Babu> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear K. Babu ji,> > >> > > Pl see my comments in Color "- - - - - - - ".> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > >> > > , "babukrcbe" babukrcbe@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Tin Win Ji,> > > >> > > > Please find the details below> > > >> > > > Birth Particulars> > > >> > > > Date of Birth: 13-08-1976 (dd-mm-yyyy)> > > > Time of Birth: 8:50AM IST> > > > Place of Birth: Coimbatore, India> > > > Gender: Male> > > >> > > > Four Step Significators:> > > >> > > > Planets who has no planets in its star : Moon,Mars,Jupiter,Rahu> > > >> > > > Planets in its own star : Saturn,Rahu> > > >> > > > Empty houses not occupied : 1,3,4,5,7,9,10> > > >> > > > Conjunction between planets: Sa aspects Ke as 10th aspect (within> > 3.2> > > > deg orb)> > > > Ma aspects Mo as 7th aspect (within 5 deg orb - not sure if this> > > > is correct)> > > >> > > > Plants in Conjuction with Cusp : Moon with 7th Cusp, Jupiter with> > 9th> > > > Cusp (within 3.2 deg orb)> > > >> > > > Planet aspecting Cusp : Jupiter aspecting 1,3,5 (within 3.2 deg> orb)> > > >> > > > Planet Signification Legend:> > > > + - No planet in the star of planet> > > > * - Planet in its own star> > > > P/p - Primary significator> > > > Ca - Planet representing cusp by being close to cusp and aspecting> > > other> > > > cusps> > > > Cl - Planet representing cusp by being cuspal sublord and no> planet> > in> > > > its star> > > >> > > > Sun : 11,12> > > > Starlord of Sun is Me : 12P, 1p, 10p> > > > Sublord of Sun is Ju : +8P,4Ep,7Ep - 9Ca,1Ca,3Ca> > > > Starlord of Jup is Sun : 11P, 12> > > >> > > > Moon : +6P,11 - 7Ca> > > > Starlord of Mo is Sa : 11p,5p,6> > > > Sublord of Mo is Sa : *11P,5Ep,6> > > > Starlord of Sa is Sa : 11P, 5p,6> > > >> > > > Mars : +12P,3Ep,8 - 4Cl> > > > Starlord of Ma is Sun : 11p,12> > > > Sublord of Ma is Ra : *2P - Sgl Ven(12,2,9)> > > > Starlord of Ra is Ra : *2P - Sgl Ven(12p,2,9p)> > > >> > > > Mercury : 12,1,10> > > > Starlord of Me is Ve : 12p,2,9p> > > > Sublord of Me is Ju : +8P,4Ep,7Ep - 9Ca,1Ca,3Ca> > > > Starlord of Ju is Sun : 11p, 12> > > >> > > > Jupiter : +8P,4Ep,7Ep - 9Ca,1Ca,3Ca> > > > Starlord of Ju is Sun : 11p,12> > > > Sublord of Ju is Me : 12,1,10> > > > Starlord of Me is Ve : 12p,2,9p> > > >> > > > Venus : 12,2,9> > > > Starlord of Ve is Ke : 8p, Aspect by Sa (+11P,5Ep6), Stl> > > > Ve(12p,2,9P), Sgl Ma(+12P,3Ep,8 - 4Cl)> > > > Sublord of Ve is Me : 12,1,10> > > > Starlord of Me is Ve : 12p,2,9p> > > >> > > > Saturn : *11P,5Ep,6> > > > Starlord of Sa is Sa : 11P, 5p,6p> > > > Sublord of Sa is Ju : +8P,4Ep,7Ep - 9Ca,1Ca,3Ca> > > > Starlord of Ju is Sun : 11p,12> > > >> > > > Rahu : *2P - Sgl Ve(12,9,2)> > > > Starlord of Ra is Ra : 2p - Sgl Ve(12p,2,9p)> > > > Sublord of Ra is Me : 12,1,10> > > > Starlord of Me is Ve : 12p,2,9p> > > >> > > > Ketu : 8, Aspect by Sa(11P,5P,6)> > > > Starlord of Ke is Ve : 12p,2,9p> > > > Sublord of Ke is Ve : 12,2,9> > > > Starlord of Ve is Ke : 8p, Aspect by Sa(11p,5p,6), Stl Ve> > > > (12p,2,9P), Sgl Ma(+12P,3Ep,8 - 4Cl)> > > >> > > > House Sub Lord> > > > 1 Mercury> > > > 2 Moon> > > > 3 Mercury> > > > 4 Mars> > > > 5 Saturn> > > > 6 Venus> > > > 7 Saturn> > > > 8 Rahu> > > > 9 Mercury> > > > 10 Sun> > > > 11 Saturn> > > > 12 Moon> > > >> > > >> > > > Questions:> > > > 1) Let us look at Ketu. It primarily signifies 3,4,5,8,9,11,12 in> > all> > > 4> > > > steps. Ke signifies 11,5,12,9 in 1st two steps and 8,11,5 in 4th> > Step> > > > considering only Sa aspect as strong.> > >> > > Pl note a slight difference in 4 Step Significators for Ke by> KPAstro> > > 3.0 as given below. (Since Ke is not a primary significator in the> 1st> > > step Asp by Sa is not considered.)> > >> > > Planet Ke:> > >> > > Starlord of Ke is Ve: 12; 9> > >> > > Sublord of Ke is Ve:> > >> > > Starlord of Ve is Ke: 8; Sgl Ma(12, 3); Stl Ve(12, 9); Asp by Sa(11,> > 5)> > >> > >> > > > a) Regarding investment/speculation can we say that Ke signifies> > > > 12,11,5,9 in 1st 2 steps and Sublord is favorable as it signifies> > > > 11(fulfillment) & 8(unearned money) in 4th step. Now am> considering> > > only> > > > the +ve signification as given in 4Step Theory.> > >> > > Here the Sublord is not a decider for favorable or unfavorable and> > it's> > > just a sigificator. 3rd and 4th steps are considered to be more> > > important or stronger than 1st and 2nd steps.> > >> > > Ke is a primary significators of 12,9,8,3,11,5.> > >> > > > b) Can we say that although Ke signifies 12,11,9 in 1st two steps,> > it> > > > gives bad result as it signifies 8(Loss) in the 4th Step. Here am> > > > ignoring 11.> > > > c) Can we say the result is mixed bag (loss & profit) as Sublord> > > > signifies 8 & 11 and it happens as per DBA?> > >> > > Ke Dasa seems to give mixed results, and in combination of favorable> > > Bhukti-Antara it's supposed to give profit.> > >> > > >> > > > Rahu : *2P - Sgl Ve(12,9,2)> > > > Starlord of Ra is Ra : 2p - Sgl Ve(12p,2,9p)> > > > Sublord of Ra is Me : 12,1,10> > > > Starlord of Me is Ve : 12p,2,9p> > >> > >> > > Pl note a slight difference in 4 Step Significators for Ra by> KPAstro> > > 3.0 as given below. (Since Ke is a primary significator in the 1st> > step,> > > Sgl Ve(12,9) is considered.)> > >> > > Planet Ra*: 2; Sgl Ve(12, 9)> > >> > > Starlord of Ra is Ra*: 2; Sgl Ve(12, 9)> > >> > > Sublord of Ra is Me:> > >> > > Starlord of Me is Ve: 12; 9> > >> > >> > > >> > > > 2) Let us look at Rahu. It primarily signifies 2,9,12 in 1st two> > steps> > > > and 12,9 in 3rd & 4th Steps.> > > >> > > > a) Here can we say that native makes good money in investment as> Ra> > > > signifies 12 & 2 but Sublord doesn't signify 2,6,11 and hence> cannot> > > > make profits?> > >> > >> > > Here the Sublord is not a decider for favorable or unfavorable and> > it's> > > just a sigificator. 3rd and 4th steps are considered to be more> > > important or stronger than 1st and 2nd steps.> > >> > >> > > > But native entered into Stock investment during Me Dasa & Ra Bukti> > > > (16-6-2004 to 4-1-2007 [dd-mm-yyyy format]) and made a decent> money.> > > I'm> > > > not sure how that can be interpreted here?> > > >> > >> > > Me as a primary significator of 1,5,11 houses and Ra as a primary> > > significator of 2 houses may be the reasons, even though not so> clear> > > cut. (Here the 1st house, though 12th to the 2nd, is not held as a> > > negative house for 2nd, but considered as a primary house to get> money> > > as it represents the native and his efforts etc. In 1,2,5,11> > > combination, 5 may indicate speculation.)> > >> > >> > > > b) Also native had to come back from abroad (US) to India during> > same> > > > period (Me-Ra-Ra on Sep 12th 2004). The dasa,bukti & antara does> > > signify> > > > 12,9,2 but native had come back to his own country from abroad.> > > Although> > > > 9 indicates long travel, there is no significator for denoting> home> > > > country. Also DBA strongly signifies 12 yet native left foreign> > land.> > >> > > Me is a primary significator of 3,9,11 in 3rd and 4 th steps and Ra> is> > a> > > primary significator of 9 in 1st, 2nd and 4th steps.> > >> > > The rationale in KP Reader IV, p 207 is as follows:> > >> > > 3= leaving the place where one stays either temporarily or> > > permanently> > > 9= making a long journey> > > 11= reunion with kith and kin> > >> > > (There is also a primary signification of 2= family, 4= home/mother> > > land)> > >> > > Pl note 12th sublord Mo also strongly signifies 11=reunion, not 12> > > =foreign as follows.> > >> > > Planet Mo+: 6; Asp 1; Cnj 7> > >> > > Starlord of Mo is Sa*: 11; 5> > >> > > Sublord of Mo is Sa*: 11; 5> > >> > > Starlord of Sa is Sa*: 11; 5> > >> > >> > > >> > > > Note: Earlier I had mentioned Ra being CSL of 8. I'm sorry I have> > > > forgetton that Ra becomes significator only when 8 is vacant and> no> > > > planet is in Ra star. I'm sorry, I gave a wrong example on that> > > > occasion.> > > >> > > > I have used JHora 7 for casting horoscope.> > > >> > > > I have made an attempt on approach to 4 Step so that learned> members> > > can> > > > correct me, if my application of 4Step is wrong/needs improvement.> > > > Please feel free to comment on my application.> > > >> > > > Your help in this regard is highly appreciated.> > > >> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > K.Babu> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear K.Babu ji,> > > > >> > > > > If you could provide birth details, it can be a practical> learning> > > > > exercise for all, otherwise it may be like a blind man's> opinion.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "babukrcbe" babukrcbe@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Tin Win Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for that summary, indeed it is very helpful.> > > > > >> > > > > > Can you please tell me if a planet is the Cuspal Sublord of> > house> > > > > 2> > > > > > & 8 and no planets in its star and hence it strongly signifies> 2> > & > > > > > > 8. In this case, does it mean that native will have mixed> > results> > > > > > based on DBA?> > > > > >> > > > > > Similarly if a planet signifies 5,8,11 and if that planets> dasa> > is> > > > > > running, how does it work as far as his wealth is concerned.> Can> > > > > we> > > > > > say he will earn in speculation as 5 - indicates speculation,> 8> > -> > > > > > easy income, 11 - Fulfilment? Or is native going to loose> money> > in> > > > > > speculation as 5 & 8 is indicated? Please help me in this> > > > > dichotomy.> > > > > >> > > > > > For example> > > > > > PLANET: Ketu --> 8, aspected by Sa(11P,5P,6)> > > > > > Its star lord Venus --> 12p,2,9p> > > > > > Its sublord Venus --> 12,2,9> > > > > > Its star lord of sublord Ketu --> 8p, aspected by Sa> (11p,5p,6)> > > > > star> > > > > > of Venus (12p,2,9P)> > > > > >> > > > > > As per 4 step Ketu signifies 11,5,12,9 primarily in 1st & 2nd> > > > > steps.> > > > > > It indicates 8,11,5,12,9 in 3rd and 4th step. Regarding matter> > of> > > > > > wealth / career in ketu dasa, as per ketu we should not> consider> > -> > > > > ve> > > > > > house and in that case it may look OK as ketu signifies 11,9.> > But> > > > > I> > > > > > just get into a dichotomy, in these cases where both +ve and> -ve> > > > > > houses are indicated. Does it mean that the native will have> > mixed> > > > > > results?> > > > > >> > > > > > Also in the above case, if 2nd CSL and 8th CSL is Rahu and has> > no> > > > > > planets in its star and rahu itself is in 2. Does it mean rahu> > > > > gives> > > > > > wealth? Dichotomy here too?> > > > > >> > > > > > Your insight would be very helpful.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks in advance.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > K.Babu> > > > > >> > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. SIMLICITY OF KP by K.S.K. (KP & Astrology Year Book 1996,> > > > > page> > > > > > 79)> > > > > > > (referring the Original KP (1966), Second Volume page 74,> ie.> > > > > KP> > > > > > > Reader III, Old Edition page 28/ New Edition page 181-182)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > a) (Regarding one's finance and fortune) One should judge> the> > > > > lord> > > > > > > of the sub of the 2nd and 11th cusps. Unless the lord of the> > sub> > > > > > is> > > > > > > the significator of the houses 2,6,10 or 11, one can not> > improve> > > > > > his> > > > > > > bank position.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > b) If the sub of the 2nd and 11th cusps are ruled by the> > > > > > > significators of 5 and 8; or 8 and 12; or 5 and 12, one will> > > > > lose> > > > > > > money in the periods of such significators through the> sources> > > > > > > indicated by the houses occupied and owned by the> > significators.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > c) One gets money during the periods of the significators of> > > > > > > 1,2,3,6,10 and 11 in the subs of significators of 2,6,10 and> > 11.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. The Native- Poor and Rich by M.P. Shanmugam (Astrosecrets> & > > > > > KP,> > > > > > > page 65)> > > > > > > (also in the KP House Grouping- Part 1 in KPE-Zine 2007 Oct,> > > > > > > loger.com)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The 2nd bhava cuspal position tells whether one will earn> > > > > enormous> > > > > > > wealth, or a middle level or a low level income. If the 2nd> > > > > house> > > > > > > cuspal position is connected to:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > a) 5,8,12 houses, the native is not given any wealth;> > > > > > >> > > > > > > b) 5,8,12 houses along with houses 2,11 the native at birth> > will> > > > > > be> > > > > > > given a low level wealth;> > > > > > >> > > > > > > c) without any connection to 5,8,12 houses but signifying> > > > > 2,10,11> > > > > > > houses the native at birth will be given a middle level> > wealth;> > > > > > >> > > > > > > d) no connection at all to 5,8,12 and connected to houses> > > > > > 2,6,10,111> > > > > > > the native at birth is given the enormous wealth.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > tw> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi> > <lyrastro1@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sujata,> > > > > > > > As per K.P., don't you think that the sub-> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > of the Ascendant at Birth,decides whether one is destined to> > > > > gain> > > > > > > monetarily(become rich)...and the extent to which he can> > > gain...?> > > > > > > > With best wishes,and a Happy and Prosperous> > > > > > New> > > > > > > Year !> > > > > > > > L.Y.Rao.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sujata das <sujatadash1@> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Bhasker> > > > > > > > The result would depend on sub.If it signifies 2 6 11,then> > > > > there> > > > > > > will be moderate gais but if connected to 5 8 12,there will> be> > > > > > heavy> > > > > > > losses> > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > sujata> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If ju sub is connected to 2 6 11,It> > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 20/12/07, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@>> > > > > > > > Speculations-Love affairs for Leo> > > > > nativity> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, 20 December, 2007, 10:23 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > For a Leo nativity, Planet Jupiter ,would> > > > > > > > in most of the cases , represent the 5th and 8th Cusp.> > > > > > > > It would also represent the Cusp in which it is placed.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > a) Now for any planet placed in Jupiter star, whenever> > > > > > > > its Dasha comes or antardasha comes, does it mean that> > > > > > > > the native would always loose in Share market speculations> > > > > > > > and in Love affairs which turn sour ? Now dont ask us to> > > > > > > > check the 5th Cuspal sublord. I am talking about the dasha> > > > > > > > results.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > b ) Now does it mean that in general all the Leos will> > > > > > > > never be succesful in Love affairs and in speculations ?> > > > > > > > Though Leo represents naturally the 5th sign of> > > > > > > > speculations and risk taking ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > c) What do you say if Jupiter is debilitated and placed> > > > > > > > in 5th Cusp ? This means Jupiter would signify> > > > > > > > 5,5 and 8 . What results do you foresee with these> > > > > > > > numbers as per KP ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Please try to give the exact results you forsee and> > > > > > > > not roundabout evasive answers. 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