Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 (The message is moderated) Respectable all learned astros. What is as research here? The mindful thought of pitru hrin discarded by minotaurs.Mr. Shukla ,the grand initiater of this topic,spoken about pitru hrin 1st state & 2nd state in a chart (horoscope),I compared the statistic,which is absolutly perfect.So as conclusion - What should we consider ? Pitru hrin or no pitru hrin ? awaiting kind guidence Niti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Dear Niti Ji, In my humble opinion, the consideration of Pitri-Rin is one of the major factors, and is not at all ignorable. For example, many times the planetary configuration in a chart does not reveal the cause of a problem; in such cases it becomes really necessary for an honest astrologer to consider many other things like Saamudrik (the very base of Lal Kitab), Vastu and above all the Pitri-Rin. Analyze the charts of such family, nine out of ten times you will find some sort of Pitri-Rin. I am saying it with my practical experience. It has stated clearly in Lal Kitab that in case of Mercury (House No. 2,3,8,11 and12), Rahu (House no.11) and Saturn (House No. 4 and 6); this trend can be observed in the charts of many family members and you will find that these planets continued to be posited in malefic conditions. This trend may continue up to three to four generations or more. As such, it naturally becomes one of the vital points while analyzing a chart as per the Lal Kitab methodology. Yograj Prabhakarwaxpol <waxpol wrote: (The message is moderated)Respectable all learned astros.What is as research here? The mindful thought of pitru hrin discarded by minotaurs.Mr. Shukla ,the grand initiater of this topic,spoken about pitru hrin 1st state & 2nd state in a chart (horoscope),I compared the statistic,which is absolutly perfect.So as conclusion - What should we consider ? Pitru hrin or no pitru hrin ?awaiting kind guidence Niti It's here! Your new message!Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Dear Yograj Bhai, An excellent post that is concise, non-confrontational and focused on the practicality that most of us learning members seek from a seasoned heavyweight and senior LK practitioner as yourself. One point of clariication I request is around the degree of debt that is discussed in some books regarding LK. There is first degree etc - can you Yograj Bhai please help to provide us your insight around this and what should be looked for outside the houses and planets you mentioned, if anything. Best Regards, Iqbal Sent via Wireless Handheld Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar Fri, 9 Mar 2007 02:59:18 Re: The Pitru Hrin Dear Niti Ji, In my humble opinion, the consideration of Pitri-Rin is one of the major factors, and is not at all ignorable. For example, many times the planetary configuration in a chart does not reveal the cause of a problem; in such cases it becomes really necessary for an honest astrologer to consider many other things like Saamudrik (the very base of Lal Kitab), Vastu and above all the Pitri-Rin. Analyze the charts of such family, nine out of ten times you will find some sort of Pitri-Rin. I am saying it with my practical experience. It has stated clearly in Lal Kitab that in case of Mercury (House No. 2,3,8,11 and12), Rahu (House no.11) and Saturn (House No. 4 and 6); this trend can be observed in the charts of many family members and you will find that these planets continued to be posited in malefic conditions. This trend may continue up to three to four generations or more. As such, it naturally becomes one of the vital points while analyzing a chart as per the Lal Kitab methodology. Yograj Prabhakar waxpol <waxpol wrote: (The message is moderated) Respectable all learned astros. What is as research here? The mindful thought of pitru hrin discarded by minotaurs.Mr. Shukla ,the grand initiater of this topic,spoken about pitru hrin 1st state & 2nd state in a chart (horoscope),I compared the statistic,which is absolutly perfect.So as conclusion - What should we consider ? Pitru hrin or no pitru hrin ? awaiting kind guidence Niti ---------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts: <http://us.rd./evt=49938/*http://tools.search./toolbar/feature\ s/mail/> with the free Toolbar.: < http://us.rd./evt=49938/*http://tools.search./toolbar/features\ /mail/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Respected Prabhakar ji, Could you please quote the relevant lines along with the page number from any edition of lal Kitab where it is said that : mercury in houses 2,3,8,11 and 12 or rahu in the 11th or saturn in the 4 and 6 causes Pitri Rin. With regards, Chandra Prakash , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Dear Niti Ji, > > In my humble opinion, the consideration of Pitri-Rin is one of the major factors, and is not at all ignorable. For example, many times the planetary configuration in a chart does not reveal the cause of a problem; in such cases it becomes really necessary for an honest astrologer to consider many other things like Saamudrik (the very base of Lal Kitab), Vastu and above all the Pitri-Rin. Analyze the charts of such family, nine out of ten times you will find some sort of Pitri-Rin. I am saying it with my practical experience. > > It has stated clearly in Lal Kitab that in case of Mercury (House No. 2,3,8,11 and12), Rahu (House no.11) and Saturn (House No. 4 and 6); this trend can be observed in the charts of many family members and you will find that these planets continued to be posited in malefic conditions. This trend may continue up to three to four generations or more. As such, it naturally becomes one of the vital points while analyzing a chart as per the Lal Kitab methodology. > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > waxpol <waxpol wrote: (The message is moderated) > > Respectable all learned astros. > > What is as research here? The mindful thought of pitru hrin discarded by minotaurs.Mr. Shukla ,the grand initiater of this topic,spoken about pitru hrin 1st state & 2nd state in a chart (horoscope),I compared the > statistic,which is absolutly perfect.So as conclusion - What should we > consider ? Pitru hrin or no pitru hrin ? > > awaiting kind guidence > > Niti > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Shri Chandra Prakash Tyagi Ji, At nowhere in my message I mentioned that mercury in houses 2,3,8,11 and 12 or Rahu in the 11th or Saturn in the 4 and 6 cause Pitri Rin. Perhaps I was unable to convey my message properly, I was just trying to correlate the Pitri-Rin aspect with this example. As we all know that the Pitri-Rin cannot be determined from a single chart, but the indication can certainly be found and I mentioned the example in question for that very purpose only. Pt. Ji has clearly mentioned that in such cases (Mercury in houses 2,3,8,11,12 or Rahu in the 11th or Saturn in the 4,6) the malefic nature of these planets remains unchanged in many other charts of a family. If such trend is found, then there is a strong possibility that one (or more) of these planets may be a planet of Pitri-Rin. By the ways, I quoted this example from Farmaan no.8, Page no.123 and line 4 & 5 from Lal Kitab 1952 edition. Yograj Prabhakar.cp_tyagi2006 <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: Respected Prabhakar ji,Could you please quote the relevant lines along with the page number from any edition of lal Kitab where it is said that :mercury in houses 2,3,8,11 and 12 or rahu in the 11th or saturn in the 4 and 6 causes Pitri Rin.With regards,Chandra Prakash , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:>> Dear Niti Ji,> > In my humble opinion, the consideration of Pitri-Rin is one of the major factors, and is not at all ignorable. For example, many times the planetary configuration in a chart does not reveal the cause of a problem; in such cases it becomes really necessary for an honest astrologer to consider many other things like Saamudrik (the very base of Lal Kitab), Vastu and above all the Pitri-Rin. Analyze the charts of such family, nine out of ten times you will find some sort of Pitri-Rin. I am saying it with my practical experience. > > It has stated clearly in Lal Kitab that in case of Mercury (House No. 2,3,8,11 and12), Rahu (House no.11) and Saturn (House No. 4 and 6); this trend can be observed in the charts of many family members and you will find that these planets continued to be posited in malefic conditions. This trend may continue up to three to four generations or more. As such, it naturally becomes one of the vital points while analyzing a chart as per the Lal Kitab methodology. > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > waxpol <waxpol wrote: (The message is moderated)> > Respectable all learned astros.> > What is as research here? The mindful thought of pitru hrin discarded by minotaurs.Mr. Shukla ,the grand initiater of this topic,spoken about pitru hrin 1st state & 2nd state in a chart (horoscope),I compared the > statistic,which is absolutly perfect.So as conclusion - What should we > consider ? Pitru hrin or no pitru hrin ?> > awaiting kind guidence > > Niti> > > > > > > > It's here! Your new message!> Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar.> Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Respected Prabhakar ji, I am very well aware of the line you had quoted. What is said in the line is not a dictum, instead it gives an example. The line itself begins with the word " jaise " { for example}. Your message some how conveyed as if these planetary placements caused Pitri Rin. My understanding of the context in which this line occurs is slightly different from yours. I do not agree with your statement " If such trend is found, then there is a strong possibility that one (or more) of these planets may be a planet of Pitri-Rin. " To my mind what Pt Roop Chand ji { peace be upon him} says is: 'as the malefic placement of these planets normally gets reflected in the kundalis of several other family members, similarly the Pitri Rin would also get reflected in several other kundalis of the family.' There is no indication to suggest that'one{or more}of these planets may be a planet of Pitri Rin' The three Pitri Rin conditions had already been elaborated in the couplet earlier. Thank you once again. With regards, Chandra Prakash , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Shri Chandra Prakash Tyagi Ji, > > At nowhere in my message I mentioned that mercury in houses 2,3,8,11 and 12 or Rahu in the 11th or Saturn in the 4 and 6 cause Pitri Rin. Perhaps I was unable to convey my message properly, I was just trying to correlate the Pitri-Rin aspect with this example. As we all know that the Pitri-Rin cannot be determined from a single chart, but the indication can certainly be found and I mentioned the example in question for that very purpose only. > > Pt. Ji has clearly mentioned that in such cases (Mercury in houses 2,3,8,11,12 or Rahu in the 11th or Saturn in the 4,6) the malefic nature of these planets remains unchanged in many other charts of a family. If such trend is found, then there is a strong possibility that one (or more) of these planets may be a planet of Pitri-Rin. > > By the ways, I quoted this example from Farmaan no.8, Page no.123 and line 4 & 5 from Lal Kitab 1952 edition. > > Yograj Prabhakar. > > > cp_tyagi2006 <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: Respected Prabhakar ji, > > Could you please quote the relevant lines along with the page number > from any edition of lal Kitab where it is said that : > > mercury in houses 2,3,8,11 and 12 or rahu in the 11th or saturn in > the 4 and 6 causes Pitri Rin. > > With regards, > > Chandra Prakash > > , Yograj Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Niti Ji, > > > > In my humble opinion, the consideration of Pitri-Rin is one of > the major factors, and is not at all ignorable. For example, many > times the planetary configuration in a chart does not reveal the > cause of a problem; in such cases it becomes really necessary for an > honest astrologer to consider many other things like Saamudrik (the > very base of Lal Kitab), Vastu and above all the Pitri-Rin. Analyze > the charts of such family, nine out of ten times you will find some > sort of Pitri-Rin. I am saying it with my practical experience. > > > > It has stated clearly in Lal Kitab that in case of Mercury > (House No. 2,3,8,11 and12), Rahu (House no.11) and Saturn (House No. > 4 and 6); this trend can be observed in the charts of many family > members and you will find that these planets continued to be posited > in malefic conditions. This trend may continue up to three to four > generations or more. As such, it naturally becomes one of the vital > points while analyzing a chart as per the Lal Kitab methodology. > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > waxpol <waxpol@> wrote: (The message is moderated) > > > > Respectable all learned astros. > > > > What is as research here? The mindful thought of pitru hrin > discarded by minotaurs.Mr. Shukla ,the grand initiater of this > topic,spoken about pitru hrin 1st state & 2nd state in a chart > (horoscope),I compared the > > statistic,which is absolutly perfect.So as conclusion - What > should we > > consider ? Pitru hrin or no pitru hrin ? > > > > awaiting kind guidence > > > > Niti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's here! Your new message! > > Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. > > > Never miss an email again! > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Respected Prabhakar ji, I am very well aware of the line you had quoted. What is said in the line is not a dictum, instead it gives an example. The line itself begins with the word " jaise " { for example}. Your message some how conveyed as if these planetary placements caused Pitri Rin. My understanding of the context in which this line occurs is slightly different from yours. I do not agree with your statement " If such trend is found, then there is a strong possibility that one (or more) of these planets may be a planet of Pitri-Rin. " To my mind what Pt Roop Chand ji { peace be upon him} says is: 'as the malefic placement of these planets normally gets reflected in the kundalis of several other family members, similarly the Pitri Rin would also get reflected in several other kundalis of the family.' There is no indication to suggest that'one{or more}of these planets may be a planet of Pitri Rin' The three Pitri Rin conditions had already been elaborated in the couplet earlier. Thank you once again. With regards, Chandra Prakash , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Shri Chandra Prakash Tyagi Ji, > > At nowhere in my message I mentioned that mercury in houses 2,3,8,11 and 12 or Rahu in the 11th or Saturn in the 4 and 6 cause Pitri Rin. Perhaps I was unable to convey my message properly, I was just trying to correlate the Pitri-Rin aspect with this example. As we all know that the Pitri-Rin cannot be determined from a single chart, but the indication can certainly be found and I mentioned the example in question for that very purpose only. > > Pt. Ji has clearly mentioned that in such cases (Mercury in houses 2,3,8,11,12 or Rahu in the 11th or Saturn in the 4,6) the malefic nature of these planets remains unchanged in many other charts of a family. If such trend is found, then there is a strong possibility that one (or more) of these planets may be a planet of Pitri-Rin. > > By the ways, I quoted this example from Farmaan no.8, Page no.123 and line 4 & 5 from Lal Kitab 1952 edition. > > Yograj Prabhakar. > > > cp_tyagi2006 <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: Respected Prabhakar ji, > > Could you please quote the relevant lines along with the page number > from any edition of lal Kitab where it is said that : > > mercury in houses 2,3,8,11 and 12 or rahu in the 11th or saturn in > the 4 and 6 causes Pitri Rin. > > With regards, > > Chandra Prakash > > , Yograj Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Niti Ji, > > > > In my humble opinion, the consideration of Pitri-Rin is one of > the major factors, and is not at all ignorable. For example, many > times the planetary configuration in a chart does not reveal the > cause of a problem; in such cases it becomes really necessary for an > honest astrologer to consider many other things like Saamudrik (the > very base of Lal Kitab), Vastu and above all the Pitri-Rin. Analyze > the charts of such family, nine out of ten times you will find some > sort of Pitri-Rin. I am saying it with my practical experience. > > > > It has stated clearly in Lal Kitab that in case of Mercury > (House No. 2,3,8,11 and12), Rahu (House no.11) and Saturn (House No. > 4 and 6); this trend can be observed in the charts of many family > members and you will find that these planets continued to be posited > in malefic conditions. This trend may continue up to three to four > generations or more. As such, it naturally becomes one of the vital > points while analyzing a chart as per the Lal Kitab methodology. > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > waxpol <waxpol@> wrote: (The message is moderated) > > > > Respectable all learned astros. > > > > What is as research here? The mindful thought of pitru hrin > discarded by minotaurs.Mr. Shukla ,the grand initiater of this > topic,spoken about pitru hrin 1st state & 2nd state in a chart > (horoscope),I compared the > > statistic,which is absolutly perfect.So as conclusion - What > should we > > consider ? Pitru hrin or no pitru hrin ? > > > > awaiting kind guidence > > > > Niti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's here! Your new message! > > Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. > > > Never miss an email again! > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Shri Chandra Prakash Tyagi Ji, I have already clarified (and once more clarifying) thatI just tried to correlate this example (Mercury in houses 2,3,8,11,12 or Rahu in the 11th or Saturn in the 4,6) with the Pitri-Rin aspect and never intended to say that these placements are responsible for Pitri-Rin. Yograj Prabhakar.cp_tyagi2006 <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: Respected Prabhakar ji,I am very well aware of the line you had quoted. What is said in the line is not a dictum, instead it gives an example. The line itself begins with the word "jaise" { for example}.Your message some how conveyed as if these planetary placements caused Pitri Rin.My understanding of the context in which this line occurs is slightly different from yours. I do not agree with your statement " If such trend is found, then there is a strong possibility that one (or more) of these planets may be a planet of Pitri-Rin." To my mind what Pt Roop Chand ji { peace be upon him} says is:'as the malefic placement of these planets normally gets reflected in the kundalis of several other family members, similarly the Pitri Rin would also get reflected in several other kundalis of the family.' There is no indication to suggest that'one{or more}of these planets may be a planet of Pitri Rin'The three Pitri Rin conditions had already been elaborated in the couplet earlier.Thank you once again.With regards,Chandra Prakash , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:>> Shri Chandra Prakash Tyagi Ji,> > At nowhere in my message I mentioned that mercury in houses 2,3,8,11 and 12 or Rahu in the 11th or Saturn in the 4 and 6 cause Pitri Rin. Perhaps I was unable to convey my message properly, I was just trying to correlate the Pitri-Rin aspect with this example. As we all know that the Pitri-Rin cannot be determined from a single chart, but the indication can certainly be found and I mentioned the example in question for that very purpose only. > > Pt. Ji has clearly mentioned that in such cases (Mercury in houses 2,3,8,11,12 or Rahu in the 11th or Saturn in the 4,6) the malefic nature of these planets remains unchanged in many other charts of a family. If such trend is found, then there is a strong possibility that one (or more) of these planets may be a planet of Pitri-Rin. > > By the ways, I quoted this example from Farmaan no.8, Page no.123 and line 4 & 5 from Lal Kitab 1952 edition. > > Yograj Prabhakar.> > > cp_tyagi2006 <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: Respected Prabhakar ji,> > Could you please quote the relevant lines along with the page number > from any edition of lal Kitab where it is said that :> > mercury in houses 2,3,8,11 and 12 or rahu in the 11th or saturn in > the 4 and 6 causes Pitri Rin.> > With regards,> > Chandra Prakash> > , Yograj Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote:> >> > Dear Niti Ji,> > > > In my humble opinion, the consideration of Pitri-Rin is one of > the major factors, and is not at all ignorable. For example, many > times the planetary configuration in a chart does not reveal the > cause of a problem; in such cases it becomes really necessary for an > honest astrologer to consider many other things like Saamudrik (the > very base of Lal Kitab), Vastu and above all the Pitri-Rin. Analyze > the charts of such family, nine out of ten times you will find some > sort of Pitri-Rin. I am saying it with my practical experience. > > > > It has stated clearly in Lal Kitab that in case of Mercury > (House No. 2,3,8,11 and12), Rahu (House no.11) and Saturn (House No. > 4 and 6); this trend can be observed in the charts of many family > members and you will find that these planets continued to be posited > in malefic conditions. This trend may continue up to three to four > generations or more. As such, it naturally becomes one of the vital > points while analyzing a chart as per the Lal Kitab methodology. > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > > > waxpol <waxpol@> wrote: (The message is moderated)> > > > Respectable all learned astros.> > > > What is as research here? The mindful thought of pitru hrin > discarded by minotaurs.Mr. Shukla ,the grand initiater of this > topic,spoken about pitru hrin 1st state & 2nd state in a chart > (horoscope),I compared the > > statistic,which is absolutly perfect.So as conclusion - What > should we > > consider ? Pitru hrin or no pitru hrin ?> > > > awaiting kind guidence > > > > Niti> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's here! Your new message!> > Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar.> >> > > > > > > > Never miss an email again!> Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.> Need Mail bonding?Go to the Mail Q&A for great tips from Answers users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Respected Tyagi Ji, I feel something is missing in your translation of the original text. I am reproducing theHindi transliteration of original text of page no 122 & 123. Pleaseset Character Encoding to UTF-8 from View Menu of your internet Browser to see it in hindi. " सफा 122: (छंद से बाद) खà¥à¤²à¤¾à¤¸à¥à¤¤à¤¾: जनम कà¥à¤‚डली जिस गà¥à¤°à¤¹ की जड़ (उसकी अपनी राशि) में उसका दà¥à¤¶à¥à¤®à¤¨ गà¥à¤°à¤¹ बैठकर सफा 123 उसका फल रदà¥à¤¦à¥€ कर रहा हो और साथ ही वह गà¥à¤°à¤¹ खà¥à¤¦ à¤à¥€ मंदा हो, तो ऋण पितृ होगा। जिसकी आम निशानी यह होगी कि बाबे, बाप, बेटे, à¤à¤¾à¤ˆ वगैरह सब के सब या कई à¤à¤• की जनà¥à¤® कà¥à¤‚डलीयों में मंदा गà¥à¤°à¤¹ à¤à¤• ही या à¤à¤¸à¥‡ किसी दूसरे घर में जहाठकि वह गà¥à¤°à¤¹ पूरा मंदा गिना जा रहा हो, ज़ाहिर होता चला आ रहा होगा . मसलन राहॠनं: 11, सनिचर 4/6 या बà¥à¤§ नं: "2 या 3, 8"/ "11, 12" उस खानदान में कई à¤à¤• ही जनम कà¥à¤‚डलियों में जाहिर होता चला आ रहा होगा। " Now if read the lines carefully we will find that Pt. Ji has given these examples for Hrin. Hrin in general talking sense is called aspitri hrin. The positions may be causing some sort of Hrin like Pitri,Matrri.... so on. Now the two conditions in above lines are--in the Jad(root) of a planet a Manda and inimical planet must be posited. -- enemy planet must be considered manda in these jad Houses. From the above given positions of Rahu, Budh and Sanichar, you willsee that these planets are considered manda in these house. now question arises that Whose Jad are these given houses.... The answer is clear. " these positions cause some sort of Hrin of thatplanet. " Another question arises . What is Hrin? It is unpaid debt. So be cautious when you find this hereditarypositions of planets in kundlis of Baabe, Baap, Beta and Bhai even the sisters or daughters. in my opinion hereditary diabetics, Blood pressure, heart ailments are symptom of Hrin of some planet. whose medicine is prescribed bymodern science as to be taken through out the life (The Pandit Ji have given the remedy that can be performed only for 43+43 weeks. and get rid of this Hrin) Bhatia Ji and Prabhakar Ji have rightly illustrated their experiencethat these uniform positions of planets in the family member may be seen as an alarming signal for a Hrin.I have given my opinion as i understand by these few lines. Other mustshare there opinion for this peculiar issue.regardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj On 3/12/07, cp_tyagi2006 <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: Respected Prabhakar ji, I am very well aware of the line you had quoted. What is said in the line is not a dictum, instead it gives an example. The line itself begins with the word " jaise " { for example}. Your message some how conveyed as if these planetary placements caused Pitri Rin. My understanding of the context in which this line occurs is slightly different from yours. I do not agree with your statement " If such trend is found, then there is a strong possibility that one (or more) of these planets may be a planet of Pitri-Rin. " To my mind what Pt Roop Chand ji { peace be upon him} says is: 'as the malefic placement of these planets normally gets reflected in the kundalis of several other family members, similarly the Pitri Rin would also get reflected in several other kundalis of the family.' There is no indication to suggest that'one{or more}of these planets may be a planet of Pitri Rin' The three Pitri Rin conditions had already been elaborated in the couplet earlier. Thank you once again. With regards, Chandra Prakash , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Shri Chandra Prakash Tyagi Ji, > > At nowhere in my message I mentioned that mercury in houses 2,3,8,11 and 12 or Rahu in the 11th or Saturn in the 4 and 6 cause Pitri Rin. Perhaps I was unable to convey my message properly, I was just trying to correlate the Pitri-Rin aspect with this example. As we all know that the Pitri-Rin cannot be determined from a single chart, but the indication can certainly be found and I mentioned the example in question for that very purpose only. > > Pt. Ji has clearly mentioned that in such cases (Mercury in houses 2,3,8,11,12 or Rahu in the 11th or Saturn in the 4,6) the malefic nature of these planets remains unchanged in many other charts of a family. If such trend is found, then there is a strong possibility that one (or more) of these planets may be a planet of Pitri-Rin. > > By the ways, I quoted this example from Farmaan no.8, Page no.123 and line 4 & 5 from Lal Kitab 1952 edition. > > Yograj Prabhakar. > > > cp_tyagi2006 <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: Respected Prabhakar ji, > > Could you please quote the relevant lines along with the page number > from any edition of lal Kitab where it is said that : > > mercury in houses 2,3,8,11 and 12 or rahu in the 11th or saturn in > the 4 and 6 causes Pitri Rin. > > With regards, > > Chandra Prakash > > , Yograj Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Niti Ji, > > > > In my humble opinion, the consideration of Pitri-Rin is one of > the major factors, and is not at all ignorable. For example, many > times the planetary configuration in a chart does not reveal the > cause of a problem; in such cases it becomes really necessary for an > honest astrologer to consider many other things like Saamudrik (the > very base of Lal Kitab), Vastu and above all the Pitri-Rin. Analyze > the charts of such family, nine out of ten times you will find some > sort of Pitri-Rin. I am saying it with my practical experience. > > > > It has stated clearly in Lal Kitab that in case of Mercury > (House No. 2,3,8,11 and12), Rahu (House no.11) and Saturn (House No. > 4 and 6); this trend can be observed in the charts of many family > members and you will find that these planets continued to be posited > in malefic conditions. This trend may continue up to three to four > generations or more. As such, it naturally becomes one of the vital > points while analyzing a chart as per the Lal Kitab methodology. > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > waxpol <waxpol@> wrote: (The message is moderated) > > > > Respectable all learned astros. > > > > What is as research here? The mindful thought of pitru hrin > discarded by minotaurs.Mr. Shukla ,the grand initiater of this > topic,spoken about pitru hrin 1st state & 2nd state in a chart > (horoscope),I compared the > > statistic,which is absolutly perfect.So as conclusion - What > should we > > consider ? Pitru hrin or no pitru hrin ? > > > > awaiting kind guidence > > > > Niti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's here! Your new message! > > Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. > > > > > > > > > > Never miss an email again! > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Hounourable ModeratorSome UFO (Un Identified objects)are visible in ur post & same as in some other answers.Are these in Hindi? If these are in Hindi ,How can I read And how do you write ?Mr. Shukla (lalkitabi)I observed your posts in other groups also.Now with humble request i am daring to ask -WHY ARE YOU KEEPING SILENT AT THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE ?With all due respects to all.Niti , NKB <nirbhar wrote:>> Respected Tyagi Ji,> I feel something is missing in your translation of the original text. I am> reproducing the> Hindi transliteration of original text of page no 122 & 123. Please> set Character Encoding to UTF-8 from View Menu of your internet> Browser to see it in hindi.> "> सफा 122: (छंद से बाद)> खà¥à¤²à¤¾à¤¸à¥à¤¤à¤¾: जनम कà¥à¤‚डली जिस गà¥à¤°à¤¹ की जड़ (उसकी अपनी राशि) में उसका दà¥à¤¶à¥à¤®à¤¨ गà¥à¤°à¤¹> बैठकर> सफा 123> उसका फल रदà¥à¤¦à¥€ कर रहा हो à¤"र साथ ही वह गà¥à¤°à¤¹ खà¥à¤¦ à¤à¥€ मंदा हो, तो ऋण पितृ होगा।> जिसकी आम निशानी यह होगी कि बाबे, बाप, बेटे, à¤à¤¾à¤ˆ वगैरह सब के सब या कई à¤à¤• की> जनà¥à¤® कà¥à¤‚डलीयों में मंदा गà¥à¤°à¤¹ à¤à¤• ही या à¤à¤¸à¥‡ किसी दूसरे घर में जहाठकि वह गà¥à¤°à¤¹> पूरा मंदा गिना जा रहा हो, ज़ाहिर होता चला आ रहा होगा . मसलन राहॠनं: 11,> सनिचर 4/6 या बà¥à¤§ नं: "2 या 3, 8"/ "11, 12" उस खानदान में कई à¤à¤• ही जनम> कà¥à¤‚डलियों में जाहिर होता चला आ रहा होगा।> "Now if read the lines carefully we will find that Pt. Ji has given> these examples for Hrin. Hrin in general talking sense is called as> pitri hrin. The positions may be causing some sort of Hrin like Pitri,> Matrri.... so on.> Now the two conditions in above lines are> --in the Jad(root) of a planet a Manda and inimical planet must be> posited.> -- enemy planet must be considered manda in these jad Houses.> From the above given positions of Rahu, Budh and Sanichar, you will> see that these planets are considered manda in these house.> now question arises that Whose Jad are these given houses....> The answer is clear. "these positions cause some sort of Hrin of that> planet. "> Another question arises . What is Hrin?> It is unpaid debt. So be cautious when you find this hereditary> positions of planets in kundlis of Baabe, Baap, Beta and Bhai even the> sisters or daughters.> in my opinion hereditary diabetics, Blood pressure, heart ailments are> symptom of Hrin of some planet. whose medicine is prescribed by> modern science as to be taken through out the life> (The Pandit Ji have given the remedy that can be performed only for 43> +43 weeks. and get rid of this Hrin)> Bhatia Ji and Prabhakar Ji have rightly illustrated their experience> that these uniform positions of planets in the family member may be> seen as an alarming signal for a Hrin.> I have given my opinion as i understand by these few lines. Other must> share there opinion for this peculiar issue.> regards> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > > > On 3/12/07, cp_tyagi2006 cp_tyagi2006 wrote:> >> > Respected Prabhakar ji,> >> > I am very well aware of the line you had quoted. What is said in the> > line is not a dictum, instead it gives an example. The line itself> > begins with the word "jaise" { for example}.> >> > Your message some how conveyed as if these planetary placements> > caused Pitri Rin.> >> > My understanding of the context in which this line occurs is> > slightly different from yours. I do not agree with your statement "> > If such trend is found, then there is a strong possibility that one> > (or more) of these planets may be a planet of Pitri-Rin."> >> > To my mind what Pt Roop Chand ji { peace be upon him} says is:> >> > 'as the malefic placement of these planets normally gets reflected> > in the kundalis of several other family members, similarly the Pitri> > Rin would also get reflected in several other kundalis of the> > family.'> >> > There is no indication to suggest that'one{or more}of these planets> > may be a planet of Pitri Rin'> >> > The three Pitri Rin conditions had already been elaborated in the> > couplet earlier.> >> > Thank you once again.> >> > With regards,> >> > Chandra Prakash> >> > <%40>,> > Yograj Prabhakar> > yr_prabhakar@ wrote:> > >> > > Shri Chandra Prakash Tyagi Ji,> > >> > > At nowhere in my message I mentioned that mercury in houses> > 2,3,8,11 and 12 or Rahu in the 11th or Saturn in the 4 and 6 cause> > Pitri Rin. Perhaps I was unable to convey my message properly, I was> > just trying to correlate the Pitri-Rin aspect with this example. As> > we all know that the Pitri-Rin cannot be determined from a single> > chart, but the indication can certainly be found and I mentioned the> > example in question for that very purpose only.> > >> > > Pt. Ji has clearly mentioned that in such cases (Mercury in> > houses 2,3,8,11,12 or Rahu in the 11th or Saturn in the 4,6) the> > malefic nature of these planets remains unchanged in many other> > charts of a family. If such trend is found, then there is a strong> > possibility that one (or more) of these planets may be a planet of> > Pitri-Rin.> > >> > > By the ways, I quoted this example from Farmaan no.8, Page> > no.123 and line 4 & 5 from Lal Kitab 1952 edition.> > >> > > Yograj Prabhakar.> > >> > >> > > cp_tyagi2006 cp_tyagi2006@ wrote: Respected> > Prabhakar ji,> > >> > > Could you please quote the relevant lines along with the page> > number> > > from any edition of lal Kitab where it is said that :> > >> > > mercury in houses 2,3,8,11 and 12 or rahu in the 11th or saturn in> > > the 4 and 6 causes Pitri Rin.> > >> > > With regards,> > >> > > Chandra Prakash> > >> > > <%40>,> > Yograj Prabhakar> > > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Niti Ji,> > > >> > > > In my humble opinion, the consideration of Pitri-Rin is one of> > > the major factors, and is not at all ignorable. For example, many> > > times the planetary configuration in a chart does not reveal the> > > cause of a problem; in such cases it becomes really necessary for> > an> > > honest astrologer to consider many other things like Saamudrik> > (the> > > very base of Lal Kitab), Vastu and above all the Pitri-Rin.> > Analyze> > > the charts of such family, nine out of ten times you will find> > some> > > sort of Pitri-Rin. I am saying it with my practical experience.> > > >> > > > It has stated clearly in Lal Kitab that in case of Mercury> > > (House No. 2,3,8,11 and12), Rahu (House no.11) and Saturn (House> > No.> > > 4 and 6); this trend can be observed in the charts of many family> > > members and you will find that these planets continued to be> > posited> > > in malefic conditions. This trend may continue up to three to four> > > generations or more. As such, it naturally becomes one of the> > vital> > > points while analyzing a chart as per the Lal Kitab methodology.> > > >> > > >> > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > >> > > >> > > > waxpol <waxpol@> wrote: (The message is moderated)> > > >> > > > Respectable all learned astros.> > > >> > > > What is as research here? The mindful thought of pitru hrin> > > discarded by minotaurs.Mr. Shukla ,the grand initiater of this> > > topic,spoken about pitru hrin 1st state & 2nd state in a chart> > > (horoscope),I compared the> > > > statistic,which is absolutly perfect.So as conclusion - What> > > should we> > > > consider ? Pitru hrin or no pitru hrin ?> > > >> > > > awaiting kind guidence> > > >> > > > Niti> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > It's here! Your new message!> > > > Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Never miss an email again!> > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it> > out.> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Respected Niti,This is due to limitation of use of Hindi in internet. SInce our book is written in local dialact which can either be expressed in Urdu, Hindi or Punjabi. Now Most of the members donot know urdu. and I assume that maximum members knows how to read hindi. Writing in roman hindi is very difficult to understand because of limitations of Engilish Phonetic language. Then only alternative left us for to write in Hindi to express true sense of book or use Telephone. Now with advancement of computer technologies Hindi, urdu, punjabi and almost all indian languages can now be displayed on internet. Persons having WindowsXP and windows98, Linux can view pages written in these languages and can even write in these languages in phonetic typing. Any how if you have windowsXP and choose UTF-8 from view-Character encoding/Encoding-Unicode/UTF-8With Browser grace The UFO may become IFO's. Moreover Lalkitabi Ji, have succefully launched his hindi posting in the group few days ago. Niti Ji your point is noted down, we will try to use other languages where we feel it of utmost necessityRegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj PS. Niti Ji you have not submitted you details regarding city & telephone Number as required under the rules of the group. Please make it early On 3/14/07, waxpol <waxpol > wrote: Hounourable ModeratorSome UFO (Un Identified objects)are visible in ur post & same as in some other answers.Are these in Hindi? If these are in Hindi ,How can I read And how do you write ?Mr. Shukla (lalkitabi)I observed your posts in other groups also.Now with humble request i am daring to ask - WHY ARE YOU KEEPING SILENT AT THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE ?With all due respects to all.Niti , NKB <nirbhar wrote:>> Respected Tyagi Ji,> I feel something is missing in your translation of the original text. I am > reproducing the> Hindi transliteration of original text of page no 122 & 123. Please > set Character Encoding to UTF-8 from View Menu of your internet> Browser to see it in hindi.> " > सफा 122: (छंद से बाद)> खà¥à¤²à¤¾à¤¸à¥à¤¤à¤¾: जनम कà¥à¤‚डली जिस गà¥à¤°à¤¹ की जड़ (उसकी अपनी राशि) में उसका दà¥à¤¶à¥à¤®à¤¨ गà¥à¤°à¤¹ > बैठकर> सफा 123> उसका फल रदà¥à¤¦à¥€ कर रहा हो � " र साथ ही वह गà¥à¤°à¤¹ खà¥à¤¦ à¤à¥€ मंदा हो, तो ऋण पितृ होगा। > जिसकी आम निशानी यह होगी कि बाबे, बाप, बेटे, à¤à¤¾à¤ˆ वगैरह सब के सब या कई à¤à¤• की > जनà¥à¤® कà¥à¤‚डलीयों में मंदा गà¥à¤°à¤¹ à¤à¤• ही या à¤à¤¸à¥‡ किसी दूसरे घर में जहाठकि वह गà¥à¤°à¤¹ > पूरा मंदा गिना जा रहा हो, ज़ाहिर होता चला आ रहा होगा . मसलन राहॠनं: 11,> सनिचर 4/6 या बà¥à¤§ नं: " 2 या 3, 8 " / " 11, 12 " उस खानदान में कई à¤à¤• ही जनम > कà¥à¤‚डलियों में जाहिर होता चला आ रहा होगा। > " Now if read the lines carefully we will find that Pt. Ji has given> these examples for Hrin. Hrin in general talking sense is called as> pitri hrin. The positions may be causing some sort of Hrin like Pitri, > Matrri.... so on.> Now the two conditions in above lines are> --in the Jad(root) of a planet a Manda and inimical planet must be> posited.> -- enemy planet must be considered manda in these jad Houses. > From the above given positions of Rahu, Budh and Sanichar, you will> see that these planets are considered manda in these house.> now question arises that Whose Jad are these given houses....> The answer is clear. " these positions cause some sort of Hrin of that > planet. " > Another question arises . What is Hrin?> It is unpaid debt. So be cautious when you find this hereditary> positions of planets in kundlis of Baabe, Baap, Beta and Bhai even the > sisters or daughters.> in my opinion hereditary diabetics, Blood pressure, heart ailments are> symptom of Hrin of some planet. whose medicine is prescribed by> modern science as to be taken through out the life > (The Pandit Ji have given the remedy that can be performed only for 43> +43 weeks. and get rid of this Hrin)> Bhatia Ji and Prabhakar Ji have rightly illustrated their experience> that these uniform positions of planets in the family member may be > seen as an alarming signal for a Hrin.> I have given my opinion as i understand by these few lines. Other must> share there opinion for this peculiar issue.> regards> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > On 3/12/07, cp_tyagi2006 cp_tyagi2006 wrote:> >> > Respected Prabhakar ji,> >> > I am very well aware of the line you had quoted. What is said in the > > line is not a dictum, instead it gives an example. The line itself> > begins with the word " jaise " { for example}.> >> > Your message some how conveyed as if these planetary placements > > caused Pitri Rin.> >> > My understanding of the context in which this line occurs is> > slightly different from yours. I do not agree with your statement " > > If such trend is found, then there is a strong possibility that one > > (or more) of these planets may be a planet of Pitri-Rin. " > >> > To my mind what Pt Roop Chand ji { peace be upon him} says is:> >> > 'as the malefic placement of these planets normally gets reflected > > in the kundalis of several other family members, similarly the Pitri> > Rin would also get reflected in several other kundalis of the> > family.'> >> > There is no indication to suggest that'one{or more}of these planets > > may be a planet of Pitri Rin'> >> > The three Pitri Rin conditions had already been elaborated in the> > couplet earlier.> >> > Thank you once again. > >> > With regards,> >> > Chandra Prakash> >> > <%40>, > > Yograj Prabhakar> > yr_prabhakar@ wrote:> > >> > > Shri Chandra Prakash Tyagi Ji, > > >> > > At nowhere in my message I mentioned that mercury in houses > > 2,3,8,11 and 12 or Rahu in the 11th or Saturn in the 4 and 6 cause> > Pitri Rin. Perhaps I was unable to convey my message properly, I was > > just trying to correlate the Pitri-Rin aspect with this example. As > > we all know that the Pitri-Rin cannot be determined from a single> > chart, but the indication can certainly be found and I mentioned the > > example in question for that very purpose only. > > >> > > Pt. Ji has clearly mentioned that in such cases (Mercury in> > houses 2,3,8,11,12 or Rahu in the 11th or Saturn in the 4,6) the > > malefic nature of these planets remains unchanged in many other > > charts of a family. If such trend is found, then there is a strong> > possibility that one (or more) of these planets may be a planet of > > Pitri-Rin.> > >> > > By the ways, I quoted this example from Farmaan no.8, Page> > no.123 and line 4 & 5 from Lal Kitab 1952 edition.> > >> > > Yograj Prabhakar. > > >> > >> > > cp_tyagi2006 cp_tyagi2006@ wrote: Respected > > Prabhakar ji,> > >> > > Could you please quote the relevant lines along with the page > > number> > > from any edition of lal Kitab where it is said that : > > >> > > mercury in houses 2,3,8,11 and 12 or rahu in the 11th or saturn in> > > the 4 and 6 causes Pitri Rin. > > >> > > With regards,> > >> > > Chandra Prakash > > >> > > <%40>,> > Yograj Prabhakar> > > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Niti Ji, > > > >> > > > In my humble opinion, the consideration of Pitri-Rin is one of > > > the major factors, and is not at all ignorable. For example, many> > > times the planetary configuration in a chart does not reveal the > > > cause of a problem; in such cases it becomes really necessary for > > an> > > honest astrologer to consider many other things like Saamudrik> > (the> > > very base of Lal Kitab), Vastu and above all the Pitri-Rin. > > Analyze> > > the charts of such family, nine out of ten times you will find > > some> > > sort of Pitri-Rin. I am saying it with my practical experience.> > > > > > > > It has stated clearly in Lal Kitab that in case of Mercury> > > (House No. 2,3,8,11 and12), Rahu (House no.11) and Saturn (House> > No.> > > 4 and 6); this trend can be observed in the charts of many family > > > members and you will find that these planets continued to be> > posited > > > in malefic conditions. This trend may continue up to three to four> > > generations or more. As such, it naturally becomes one of the > > vital> > > points while analyzing a chart as per the Lal Kitab methodology. > > > >> > > >> > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > >> > > > > > > > waxpol <waxpol@> wrote: (The message is moderated)> > > > > > > > Respectable all learned astros.> > > >> > > > What is as research here? The mindful thought of pitru hrin > > > discarded by minotaurs.Mr. Shukla ,the grand initiater of this > > > topic,spoken about pitru hrin 1st state & 2nd state in a chart> > > (horoscope),I compared the> > > > statistic,which is absolutly perfect.So as conclusion - What> > > should we > > > > consider ? Pitru hrin or no pitru hrin ?> > > >> > > > awaiting kind guidence> > > >> > > > Niti > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > It's here! Your new message! > > > > Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Never miss an email again! > > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. 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