Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 There is little confusion in the times allocated to planets in lalkitab. Time allocated to the planets are Jup- 240 minutes Sun- 80 minutes Moon-40 Shukar-120 Mars-240 Mercury-80 Shani-240 rahu-240 ketu-120 Total= 1400 minutes while the day is of 1440 minutes to whom this these 40 minutes allocated. Secondly from the above timing it can be seen that Jup- has 2 rashis and get 120 min for each Sun -- 1 - 80 min Moon 1 40 shukar 2 60 mars 2 120 mercury 2 40 shani 2 120 Rahu 0 240 Ketu 0 120 Rahu is emerging the highest minutes gainer moon and mercury lowest If we see from pakka ghar point of view Jup- has 4 pakkae ghar and get 60 min for each Sun -- 2 - 40 min Moon 1 40 shukar 1 120 mars 2 120 mercury 1 80 shani 3 80 Rahu 1 240 Ketu 1 120 Again Rahu is the highest gainer Above table shows that Rahu plays very important part in kundli.and Ketu is Second Therefore Rahu and ketu must be seen before giving any upaya regards Vinay Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 vinay ji, the time allocated to diffeent planets is based upon sunrise and sunset. the sunrise nd sunset time keep on flutuating so i don't think time alloted to particular planets can be measured by universal watertight compartments. if u have some other logic please clarfy. i m afraid u have mixed shashtri jyotish with lalkitab. in lalkitab moon's time is chandni raat , shukrr's time is amavasya night. shani's time is kali ya ghanghor raat ya baadal ka din. according to ur analysis these planets must have a time slot in every 24 hours but it is not so. rahu's time is poori sham ki raat magar raat se pehle and ketu's is surya ke niklne se phle ka samay. i fail to understand on what basis u concluded this time distribution. according to ur anaylsis budh is the lowest gainer but lalkitab consides it as shaktimaan. please elaborate ur answer with due explanation kulbirbains.Vinay V <v4vedic wrote: There is little confusion in the times allocated toplanets in lalkitab. Time allocated to the planets areJup- 240 minutesSun- 80 minutesMoon-40Shukar-120Mars-240Mercury-80Shani-240rahu-240ketu-120Total= 1400 minuteswhile the day is of 1440 minutesto whom this these 40 minutes allocated.Secondly from the above timing it can be seen that Jup- has 2 rashis and get 120 min for eachSun -- 1 - 80 minMoon 1 40shukar 2 60mars 2 120mercury 2 40shani 2 120Rahu 0 240Ketu 0 120 Rahu is emerging the highest minutes gainer moon andmercury lowestIf we see from pakka ghar point of viewJup- has 4 pakkae ghar and get 60 min for eachSun -- 2 - 40 minMoon 1 40shukar 1 120mars 2 120mercury 1 80shani 3 80Rahu 1 240Ketu 1 120 Again Rahu is the highest gainerAbove table shows that Rahu plays very important partin kundli.and Ketu is Second Therefore Rahu and ketu must be seen before giving anyupayaregardsVinayNow you can chat without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.phpKulbir Bains Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Dear VInay Jee, Nice work done Vinay Jee. You might be reffering book on lalkitab wriiten by some one. That person might has given incomplete information in his book.I reccomend you to read Lalkitab in original, Now Hindi Transliteration of three editions are available you can read these book for oriinallity. You have written correctly the time of effect allocated to the plamets in a day. In fact the authur of your book failed to write the fate of balance 40 minutes. In Lalkitab these 40 minutes are described as 'Riyayti'. it is not written how to use these 40 units in remedial measures. But in my opinion This have a very important part to play in remedial measure. Actually this whole allocation of time is based upon 35 years cycle(35 Sala Chakkar)in which the following allocation is made to planets > Jup- 6 Years > Sun- 2 Years > Moon-1 Year > Shukar-3 > Mars-6 > Mercury-2 > Shani-6 > rahu-6 > ketu-3 Total=35 Years You are interpreting this time to the strength of the planet.Actually strength of the planet is based upon its placement and situation of it Land and House and masnooyi parts. But your interpratetion seems to be right that the time give for a planet is more important. A little time given to good planet and more time given to bad planet make huge difference. If you have nay research work done on this topic you are welcome to share it with all the members. Regards Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , Vinay V <v4vedic wrote: > > There is little confusion in the times allocated to > planets in lalkitab. Time allocated to the planets are > Jup- 240 minutes > Sun- 80 minutes > Moon-40 > Shukar-120 > Mars-240 > Mercury-80 > Shani-240 > rahu-240 > ketu-120 > Total= 1400 minutes > while the day is of 1440 minutes > to whom this these 40 minutes allocated. > > Secondly from the above timing it can be seen that > Jup- has 2 rashis and get 120 min for each > Sun -- 1 - 80 min > Moon 1 40 > shukar 2 60 > mars 2 120 > mercury 2 40 > shani 2 120 > Rahu 0 240 > Ketu 0 120 > Rahu is emerging the highest minutes gainer moon and > mercury lowest > > If we see from pakka ghar point of view > Jup- has 4 pakkae ghar and get 60 min for each > Sun -- 2 - 40 min > Moon 1 40 > shukar 1 120 > mars 2 120 > mercury 1 80 > shani 3 80 > Rahu 1 240 > Ketu 1 120 > Again Rahu is the highest gainer > Above table shows that Rahu plays very important part > in kundli.and Ketu is Second > Therefore Rahu and ketu must be seen before giving any > upaya > regards > Vinay > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Go to http:// in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Dear Kulbir Ji, You do not aware of the contents of The LalKitab. I am citing very much from LalKitab it self.Please refer farman 113 may be on page 117 of lalkitab1939 by beni madhav goswami Vinay --- kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote: > vinay ji, the time allocated to diffeent planets is > based upon sunrise and sunset. the sunrise nd sunset > time keep on flutuating so i don't think time > alloted to particular planets can be measured by > universal watertight compartments. if u have some > other logic please clarfy. > i m afraid u have mixed shashtri jyotish with > lalkitab. > in lalkitab moon's time is chandni raat , shukrr's > time is amavasya night. shani's time is kali ya > ghanghor raat ya baadal ka din. according to ur > analysis these planets must have a time slot in > every 24 hours but it is not so. > rahu's time is poori sham ki raat magar raat se > pehle and ketu's is surya ke niklne se phle ka > samay. > i fail to understand on what basis u concluded > this time distribution. according to ur anaylsis > budh is the lowest gainer but lalkitab consides it > as shaktimaan. > please elaborate ur answer with due explanation > kulbirbains. > > Vinay V <v4vedic wrote: > There is little confusion in the times > allocated to > planets in lalkitab. Time allocated to the planets > are > Jup- 240 minutes > Sun- 80 minutes > Moon-40 > Shukar-120 > Mars-240 > Mercury-80 > Shani-240 > rahu-240 > ketu-120 > Total= 1400 minutes > while the day is of 1440 minutes > to whom this these 40 minutes allocated. > > Secondly from the above timing it can be seen that > Jup- has 2 rashis and get 120 min for each > Sun -- 1 - 80 min > Moon 1 40 > shukar 2 60 > mars 2 120 > mercury 2 40 > shani 2 120 > Rahu 0 240 > Ketu 0 120 > Rahu is emerging the highest minutes gainer moon and > mercury lowest > > If we see from pakka ghar point of view > Jup- has 4 pakkae ghar and get 60 min for each > Sun -- 2 - 40 min > Moon 1 40 > shukar 1 120 > mars 2 120 > mercury 1 80 > shani 3 80 > Rahu 1 240 > Ketu 1 120 > Again Rahu is the highest gainer > Above table shows that Rahu plays very important > part > in kundli.and Ketu is Second > Therefore Rahu and ketu must be seen before giving > any > upaya > regards > Vinay > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Go > to > http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > click away. Flying to Bangalore or Bhopal? Search for tickets at http://in.farechase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 respected bhardwaj ji; riyati 40 days/mts is a separate issue. according to shri vinay's analysis time of chandra is very less but in 24 hr slot chandrma, shukr and shani can have a slot of about 10 hours which is considerably large as compared with time slot of other planets. vinay ji didn't reply my querry but if u too have understood this concept according to lk will u be kind to explain this on lk basis. kulbirbainsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote: Dear VInay Jee,Nice work done Vinay Jee. You might be reffering book on lalkitab wriiten by some one. That person might has given incomplete information in his book.I reccomend you to read Lalkitab in original, Now Hindi Transliteration of three editions are available you can read these book for oriinallity.You have written correctly the time of effect allocated to the plamets in a day. In fact the authur of your book failed to write the fate of balance 40 minutes. In Lalkitab these 40 minutes are described as 'Riyayti'. it is not written how to use these 40 units in remedial measures. But in my opinion This have a very important part to play in remedial measure.Actually this whole allocation of time is based upon 35 years cycle(35 Sala Chakkar)in which the following allocation is made to planets> Jup- 6 Years> Sun- 2 Years> Moon-1 Year> Shukar-3> Mars-6> Mercury-2> Shani-6> rahu-6> ketu-3Total=35 YearsYou are interpreting this time to the strength of the planet.Actually strength of the planet is based upon its placement and situation of it Land and House and masnooyi parts. But your interpratetion seems to be right that the time give for a planet is more important. A little time given to good planet and more time given to bad planet make huge difference. If you have nay research work done on this topic you are welcome to share it with all the members.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , Vinay V <v4vedic wrote:>> There is little confusion in the times allocated to> planets in lalkitab. Time allocated to the planets are> Jup- 240 minutes> Sun- 80 minutes> Moon-40> Shukar-120> Mars-240> Mercury-80> Shani-240> rahu-240> ketu-120> Total= 1400 minutes> while the day is of 1440 minutes> to whom this these 40 minutes allocated.> > Secondly from the above timing it can be seen that > Jup- has 2 rashis and get 120 min for each> Sun -- 1 - 80 min> Moon 1 40> shukar 2 60> mars 2 120> mercury 2 40> shani 2 120> Rahu 0 240> Ketu 0 120 > Rahu is emerging the highest minutes gainer moon and> mercury lowest> > If we see from pakka ghar point of view> Jup- has 4 pakkae ghar and get 60 min for each> Sun -- 2 - 40 min> Moon 1 40> shukar 1 120> mars 2 120> mercury 1 80> shani 3 80> Rahu 1 240> Ketu 1 120 > Again Rahu is the highest gainer> Above table shows that Rahu plays very important part> in kundli.and Ketu is Second > Therefore Rahu and ketu must be seen before giving any> upaya> regards> Vinay> > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php>Kulbir Bains Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 vinay ji, thanx i missed it but please read the grammar portion as a whole the governing rule has been cited there for ur kind information i am reproducing it here. 1. guru- suraj niklne se din ka pahla hissa. 2. suraj- din niklane ke pehle hisse ke baad magar pakki dopahar se pehle. 3. chandra- chandni raat. 4. shukra - krishan paksh aur shukla paksh ki biich ki amavas ki raat 5. mangal- poori dopahar ka hissa. 6. budh- dopahar ke baad magar poori sham se pehle. 7. kali raat ya ghanghor kale badal ka din. 8. rahu- poori sham magar raat se pehle 9. ketu - subah par suraj niklne sepehle. now what do u reccomend for janam waqt samay ka samay. time slot as forwarded by ur gudself or the above written. i think it is a fit case where the learned moderator should resolve this issue. kulbirbainsVinay V <v4vedic wrote: Dear Kulbir Ji,You do not aware of the contents of The LalKitab. I amciting very much from LalKitab it self.Please referfarman 113 may be on page 117 of lalkitab1939 by benimadhav goswamiVinay --- kulbir bains <kulbirbains (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> vinay ji, the time allocated to diffeent planets is> based upon sunrise and sunset. the sunrise nd sunset> time keep on flutuating so i don't think time> alloted to particular planets can be measured by> universal watertight compartments. if u have some> other logic please clarfy.> i m afraid u have mixed shashtri jyotish with> lalkitab.> in lalkitab moon's time is chandni raat , shukrr's> time is amavasya night. shani's time is kali ya> ghanghor raat ya baadal ka din. according to ur> analysis these planets must have a time slot in> every 24 hours but it is not so.> rahu's time is poori sham ki raat magar raat se> pehle and ketu's is surya ke niklne se phle ka> samay.> i fail to understand on what basis u concluded> this time distribution. according to ur anaylsis> budh is the lowest gainer but lalkitab consides it> as shaktimaan.> please elaborate ur answer with due explanation> kulbirbains.> > Vinay V <v4vedic (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> There is little confusion in the times> allocated to> planets in lalkitab. Time allocated to the planets> are> Jup- 240 minutes> Sun- 80 minutes> Moon-40> Shukar-120> Mars-240> Mercury-80> Shani-240> rahu-240> ketu-120> Total= 1400 minutes> while the day is of 1440 minutes> to whom this these 40 minutes allocated.> > Secondly from the above timing it can be seen that > Jup- has 2 rashis and get 120 min for each> Sun -- 1 - 80 min> Moon 1 40> shukar 2 60> mars 2 120> mercury 2 40> shani 2 120> Rahu 0 240> Ketu 0 120 > Rahu is emerging the highest minutes gainer moon and> mercury lowest> > If we see from pakka ghar point of view> Jup- has 4 pakkae ghar and get 60 min for each> Sun -- 2 - 40 min> Moon 1 40> shukar 1 120> mars 2 120> mercury 1 80> shani 3 80> Rahu 1 240> Ketu 1 120 > Again Rahu is the highest gainer> Above table shows that Rahu plays very important> part> in kundli.and Ketu is Second > Therefore Rahu and ketu must be seen before giving> any> upaya> regards> Vinay> > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Go> to> http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php> > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a> click away.Flying to Bangalore or Bhopal? Search for tickets at http://in.farechase.Kulbir Bains Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 You both are correct at your level. Vinay ji is talking about the Time allocated to a planet in a day for its effect. Kulbir Ji is talking about ascertainng the Time allocated to ascertain the Planet of Janam Waqt. I feel both are different issues. Vinay ji is trying to co-relate this timing in relation to Owning of Rashis and Pakka ghars. Vinay Ji I request you to be more elaborative in this topic. This seems to be new concept. Let the group member discuss what Vinay ji want to prove with this theory Kulbir ji , I request you to illustrate the difference between 4 & 7. Many New members may not be knowing difference between Amavas and kali Raat Regards Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote: > > vinay ji, thanx i missed it but please read the grammar portion as a whole the governing rule has been cited there for ur kind information i am reproducing it here. > 1. guru- suraj niklne se din ka pahla hissa. > 2. suraj- din niklane ke pehle hisse ke baad magar pakki dopahar se pehle. > 3. chandra- chandni raat. > 4. shukra - krishan paksh aur shukla paksh ki biich ki amavas ki raat > 5. mangal- poori dopahar ka hissa. > 6. budh- dopahar ke baad magar poori sham se pehle. > 7. kali raat ya ghanghor kale badal ka din. > 8. rahu- poori sham magar raat se pehle > 9. ketu - subah par suraj niklne sepehle. > > now what do u reccomend for janam waqt samay ka samay. time slot as forwarded by ur gudself or the above written. i think it is a fit case where the learned moderator should resolve this issue. > kulbirbains > > Vinay V <v4vedic wrote: > Dear Kulbir Ji, > You do not aware of the contents of The LalKitab. I am > citing very much from LalKitab it self.Please refer > farman 113 may be on page 117 of lalkitab1939 by beni > madhav goswami > Vinay > > --- kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote: > > > vinay ji, the time allocated to diffeent planets is > > based upon sunrise and sunset. the sunrise nd sunset > > time keep on flutuating so i don't think time > > alloted to particular planets can be measured by > > universal watertight compartments. if u have some > > other logic please clarfy. > > i m afraid u have mixed shashtri jyotish with > > lalkitab. > > in lalkitab moon's time is chandni raat , shukrr's > > time is amavasya night. shani's time is kali ya > > ghanghor raat ya baadal ka din. according to ur > > analysis these planets must have a time slot in > > every 24 hours but it is not so. > > rahu's time is poori sham ki raat magar raat se > > pehle and ketu's is surya ke niklne se phle ka > > samay. > > i fail to understand on what basis u concluded > > this time distribution. according to ur anaylsis > > budh is the lowest gainer but lalkitab consides it > > as shaktimaan. > > please elaborate ur answer with due explanation > > kulbirbains. > > > > Vinay V <v4vedic wrote: > > There is little confusion in the times > > allocated to > > planets in lalkitab. Time allocated to the planets > > are > > Jup- 240 minutes > > Sun- 80 minutes > > Moon-40 > > Shukar-120 > > Mars-240 > > Mercury-80 > > Shani-240 > > rahu-240 > > ketu-120 > > Total= 1400 minutes > > while the day is of 1440 minutes > > to whom this these 40 minutes allocated. > > > > Secondly from the above timing it can be seen that > > Jup- has 2 rashis and get 120 min for each > > Sun -- 1 - 80 min > > Moon 1 40 > > shukar 2 60 > > mars 2 120 > > mercury 2 40 > > shani 2 120 > > Rahu 0 240 > > Ketu 0 120 > > Rahu is emerging the highest minutes gainer moon and > > mercury lowest > > > > If we see from pakka ghar point of view > > Jup- has 4 pakkae ghar and get 60 min for each > > Sun -- 2 - 40 min > > Moon 1 40 > > shukar 1 120 > > mars 2 120 > > mercury 1 80 > > shani 3 80 > > Rahu 1 240 > > Ketu 1 120 > > Again Rahu is the highest gainer > > Above table shows that Rahu plays very important > > part > > in kundli.and Ketu is Second > > Therefore Rahu and ketu must be seen before giving > > any > > upaya > > regards > > Vinay > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Go > > to > > http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > > click away. > > Flying to Bangalore or Bhopal? Search for tickets at http:// in.farechase. > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Dear Kulbir Ji, As per the Page 117 the time division is done as per the years allocated to each planet in 35 years Cycle. You may observe that in 35 year cycle Sat+Ven+Moon compbine get 10 years. I dont think there is any figures added by Vinay ji himself. Let Vinay Ji clarify His point. Kulbir ji Most of us are not Full time devoted astrolgy students and may be doing studying/service/bussiness. So let us give every body some time to reply. Regards Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote: > > respected bhardwaj ji; riyati 40 days/mts is a separate issue. according to shri vinay's analysis time of chandra is very less but in 24 hr slot chandrma, shukr and shani can have a slot of about 10 hours which is considerably large as compared with time slot of other planets. vinay ji didn't reply my querry but if u too have understood this concept according to lk will u be kind to explain this on lk basis. > kulbirbains > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote: > Dear VInay Jee, > Nice work done Vinay Jee. You might be reffering book on lalkitab > wriiten by some one. That person might has given incomplete > information in his book.I reccomend you to read Lalkitab in original, > Now Hindi Transliteration of three editions are available you can > read these book for oriinallity. > You have written correctly the time of effect allocated to the > plamets in a day. In fact the authur of your book failed to write the > fate of balance 40 minutes. In Lalkitab these 40 minutes are > described as 'Riyayti'. it is not written how to use these 40 units > in remedial measures. But in my opinion This have a very important > part to play in remedial measure. > Actually this whole allocation of time is based upon 35 years > cycle(35 Sala Chakkar)in which the following allocation is made to > planets > > Jup- 6 Years > > Sun- 2 Years > > Moon-1 Year > > Shukar-3 > > Mars-6 > > Mercury-2 > > Shani-6 > > rahu-6 > > ketu-3 > Total=35 Years > You are interpreting this time to the strength of the planet.Actually > strength of the planet is based upon its placement and situation of > it Land and House and masnooyi parts. But your interpratetion seems > to be right that the time give for a planet is more important. A > little time given to good planet and more time given to bad planet > make huge difference. > If you have nay research work done on this topic you are welcome to > share it with all the members. > Regards > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > , Vinay V <v4vedic@> wrote: > > > > There is little confusion in the times allocated to > > planets in lalkitab. Time allocated to the planets are > > Jup- 240 minutes > > Sun- 80 minutes > > Moon-40 > > Shukar-120 > > Mars-240 > > Mercury-80 > > Shani-240 > > rahu-240 > > ketu-120 > > Total= 1400 minutes > > while the day is of 1440 minutes > > to whom this these 40 minutes allocated. > > > > Secondly from the above timing it can be seen that > > Jup- has 2 rashis and get 120 min for each > > Sun -- 1 - 80 min > > Moon 1 40 > > shukar 2 60 > > mars 2 120 > > mercury 2 40 > > shani 2 120 > > Rahu 0 240 > > Ketu 0 120 > > Rahu is emerging the highest minutes gainer moon and > > mercury lowest > > > > If we see from pakka ghar point of view > > Jup- has 4 pakkae ghar and get 60 min for each > > Sun -- 2 - 40 min > > Moon 1 40 > > shukar 1 120 > > mars 2 120 > > mercury 1 80 > > shani 3 80 > > Rahu 1 240 > > Ketu 1 120 > > Again Rahu is the highest gainer > > Above table shows that Rahu plays very important part > > in kundli.and Ketu is Second > > Therefore Rahu and ketu must be seen before giving any > > upaya > > regards > > Vinay > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Go to http:// > in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php > > Kulbir Bains > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Dear Bhardwaj Ji,Thanks for the encouragement given to me. I have not too much to prove here but have only minor apprehensions regarding the timing and power of planets.Let me take the example as per rashiJupiter, Saturn,Mars have allocated 6 Years(240Minutes) each for there two rashis. Venus 3years (120 minutes) for two rashis Ketu allocated 3 years (120 Minutes) for One rashiSun allocated 2 Years(80 Minutes) for one rashi Mercury allocated 2 Years(80 Minutes) each for one rashiMoon has given one year (40 minutes) each for one Rashi. and Finally Rahu has been given single handed 6 Years(240 minutes)Now jupiter Saturn and mars have to take care of their rashis having 120 minutes eachVenus has to manage two rashis in 120 minutes Mercury has to manage two rashis in 80 minutes Rest all have to manage one rashi in respective time.My view is that Rahu has in fact No rashi. He has just annexed abode from Jupiter. Thus he has to manage the house where he sits. and with having 240 minutes time to act alone in that rashi. That is why it eclipse the Sun when it is with him. Sun protect itself only maximum for 80 minutes Similarly Ketu has to manage the house where it sits, He also eclipses Moon having 40 minutes only Moon can survive 40 minutes rest 80 minutes Ketu will rule.Please have comment upon this. I will put more further if allowed YoursVinay================================================================= You both are correct at your level.Vinay ji is talking about the Time allocated to a planet in a day forits effect. Kulbir Ji is talking about ascertainng the Time allocated toascertain the Planet of Janam Waqt.I feel both are different issues.Vinay ji is trying to co-relate this timing in relation to Owning ofRashis and Pakka ghars. Vinay Ji I request you to be more elaborative in this topic. Thisseems to be new concept. Let the group member discuss what Vinay jiwant to prove with this theoryKulbir ji , I request you to illustrate the difference between 4 & 7. Many New members may not be knowing difference between Amavas andkali RaatRegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote:>> vinay ji, thanx i missed it but please read the grammar portion asa whole the governing rule has been cited there for ur kindinformation i am reproducing it here.> 1. guru- suraj niklne se din ka pahla hissa. > 2. suraj- din niklane ke pehle hisse ke baad magar pakki dopaharse pehle.> 3. chandra- chandni raat.> 4. shukra - krishan paksh aur shukla paksh ki biich ki amavas kiraat> 5. mangal- poori dopahar ka hissa. > 6. budh- dopahar ke baad magar poori sham se pehle.> 7. kali raat ya ghanghor kale badal ka din.> 8. rahu- poori sham magar raat se pehle> 9. ketu - subah par suraj niklne sepehle.> > now what do u reccomend for janam waqt samay ka samay. time slotas forwarded by ur gudself or the above written. i think it is a fitcase where the learned moderator should resolve this issue.> kulbirbains >> Vinay V <v4vedic wrote:> Dear Kulbir Ji,> You do not aware of the contents of The LalKitab. I am> citing very much from LalKitab it self.Please refer> farman 113 may be on page 117 of lalkitab1939 by beni > madhav goswami> Vinay>> --- kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote:>> > vinay ji, the time allocated to diffeent planets is> > based upon sunrise and sunset. the sunrise nd sunset > > time keep on flutuating so i don't think time> > alloted to particular planets can be measured by> > universal watertight compartments. if u have some> > other logic please clarfy. > > i m afraid u have mixed shashtri jyotish with> > lalkitab.> > in lalkitab moon's time is chandni raat , shukrr's> > time is amavasya night. shani's time is kali ya > > ghanghor raat ya baadal ka din. according to ur> > analysis these planets must have a time slot in> > every 24 hours but it is not so.> > rahu's time is poori sham ki raat magar raat se > > pehle and ketu's is surya ke niklne se phle ka> > samay.> > i fail to understand on what basis u concluded> > this time distribution. according to ur anaylsis> > budh is the lowest gainer but lalkitab consides it > > as shaktimaan.> > please elaborate ur answer with due explanation> > kulbirbains.> >> > Vinay V <v4vedic wrote:> > There is little confusion in the times > > allocated to> > planets in lalkitab. Time allocated to the planets> > are> > Jup- 240 minutes> > Sun- 80 minutes> > Moon-40> > Shukar-120> > Mars-240 > > Mercury-80> > Shani-240> > rahu-240> > ketu-120> > Total= 1400 minutes> > while the day is of 1440 minutes> > to whom this these 40 minutes allocated. > >> > Secondly from the above timing it can be seen that> > Jup- has 2 rashis and get 120 min for each> > Sun -- 1 - 80 min> > Moon 1 40> > shukar 2 60> > mars 2 120 > > mercury 2 40> > shani 2 120> > Rahu 0 240> > Ketu 0 120> > Rahu is emerging the highest minutes gainer moon and> > mercury lowest> >> > If we see from pakka ghar point of view > > Jup- has 4 pakkae ghar and get 60 min for each> > Sun -- 2 - 40 min> > Moon 1 40> > shukar 1 120> > mars 2 120> > mercury 1 80> > shani 3 80> > Rahu 1 240 > > Ketu 1 120> > Again Rahu is the highest gainer> > Above table shows that Rahu plays very important> > part> > in kundli.and Ketu is Second> > Therefore Rahu and ketu must be seen before giving > > any> > upaya> > regards> > Vinay> >> > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. 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Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 vinay ji , although i couldn't grasp it earlier but now i understand, please keep up with ur nalytical skills to other areas of lk also. accept my congratulations. kulbirbainsVinay kumar <v4vedic wrote: Dear Bhardwaj Ji,Thanks for the encouragement given to me. I have not too much to prove here but have only minor apprehensions regarding the timing and power of planets.Let me take the example as per rashiJupiter, Saturn,Mars have allocated 6 Years(240Minutes) each for there two rashis. Venus 3years (120 minutes) for two rashisKetu allocated 3 years (120 Minutes) for One rashiSun allocated 2 Years(80 Minutes) for one rashi Mercury allocated 2 Years(80 Minutes) each for one rashiMoon has given one year (40 minutes) each for one Rashi. and Finally Rahu has been given single handed 6 Years(240 minutes)Now jupiter Saturn and mars have to take care of their rashis having 120 minutes eachVenus has to manage two rashis in 120 minutes Mercury has to manage two rashis in 80 minutes Rest all have to manage one rashi in respective time.My view is that Rahu has in fact No rashi. He has just annexed abode from Jupiter. Thus he has to manage the house where he sits. and with having 240 minutes time to act alone in that rashi. That is why it eclipse the Sun when it is with him. Sun protect itself only maximum for 80 minutes Similarly Ketu has to manage the house where it sits, He also eclipses Moon having 40 minutes only Moon can survive 40 minutes rest 80 minutes Ketu will rule.Please have comment upon this. I will put more further if allowed YoursVinay================================================================= You both are correct at your level.Vinay ji is talking about the Time allocated to a planet in a day forits effect. Kulbir Ji is talking about ascertainng the Time allocated toascertain the Planet of Janam Waqt.I feel both are different issues.Vinay ji is trying to co-relate this timing in relation to Owning ofRashis and Pakka ghars. Vinay Ji I request you to be more elaborative in this topic. Thisseems to be new concept. Let the group member discuss what Vinay jiwant to prove with this theoryKulbir ji , I request you to illustrate the difference between 4 & 7. Many New members may not be knowing difference between Amavas andkali RaatRegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote:>> vinay ji, thanx i missed it but please read the grammar portion asa whole the governing rule has been cited there for ur kindinformation i am reproducing it here.> 1. guru- suraj niklne se din ka pahla hissa. > 2. suraj- din niklane ke pehle hisse ke baad magar pakki dopaharse pehle.> 3. chandra- chandni raat.> 4. shukra - krishan paksh aur shukla paksh ki biich ki amavas kiraat> 5. mangal- poori dopahar ka hissa. > 6. budh- dopahar ke baad magar poori sham se pehle.> 7. kali raat ya ghanghor kale badal ka din.> 8. rahu- poori sham magar raat se pehle> 9. ketu - subah par suraj niklne sepehle.>> now what do u reccomend for janam waqt samay ka samay. time slotas forwarded by ur gudself or the above written. i think it is a fitcase where the learned moderator should resolve this issue.> kulbirbains >> Vinay V <v4vedic wrote:> Dear Kulbir Ji,> You do not aware of the contents of The LalKitab. I am> citing very much from LalKitab it self.Please refer> farman 113 may be on page 117 of lalkitab1939 by beni > madhav goswami> Vinay>> --- kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote:>> > vinay ji, the time allocated to diffeent planets is> > based upon sunrise and sunset. the sunrise nd sunset > > time keep on flutuating so i don't think time> > alloted to particular planets can be measured by> > universal watertight compartments. if u have some> > other logic please clarfy. > > i m afraid u have mixed shashtri jyotish with> > lalkitab.> > in lalkitab moon's time is chandni raat , shukrr's> > time is amavasya night. shani's time is kali ya> > ghanghor raat ya baadal ka din. according to ur> > analysis these planets must have a time slot in> > every 24 hours but it is not so.> > rahu's time is poori sham ki raat magar raat se > > pehle and ketu's is surya ke niklne se phle ka> > samay.> > i fail to understand on what basis u concluded> > this time distribution. according to ur anaylsis> > budh is the lowest gainer but lalkitab consides it > > as shaktimaan.> > please elaborate ur answer with due explanation> > kulbirbains.> >> > Vinay V <v4vedic wrote:> > There is little confusion in the times > > allocated to> > planets in lalkitab. Time allocated to the planets> > are> > Jup- 240 minutes> > Sun- 80 minutes> > Moon-40> > Shukar-120> > Mars-240 > > Mercury-80> > Shani-240> > rahu-240> > ketu-120> > Total= 1400 minutes> > while the day is of 1440 minutes> > to whom this these 40 minutes allocated. > >> > Secondly from the above timing it can be seen that> > Jup- has 2 rashis and get 120 min for each> > Sun -- 1 - 80 min> > Moon 1 40> > shukar 2 60> > mars 2 120 > > mercury 2 40> > shani 2 120> > Rahu 0 240> > Ketu 0 120> > Rahu is emerging the highest minutes gainer moon and> > mercury lowest> >> > If we see from pakka ghar point of view > > Jup- has 4 pakkae ghar and get 60 min for each> > Sun -- 2 - 40 min> > Moon 1 40> > shukar 1 120> > mars 2 120> > mercury 1 80> > shani 3 80> > Rahu 1 240 > > Ketu 1 120> > Again Rahu is the highest gainer> > Above table shows that Rahu plays very important> > part> > in kundli.and Ketu is Second> > Therefore Rahu and ketu must be seen before giving > > any> > upaya> > regards> > Vinay> >> > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Go> > to> > http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php> >> >> >> >> >> > Kulbir Bains> >> > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > > click away.>> Flying to Bangalore or Bhopal? Search for tickets at http://in.farechase.>>>>>> Kulbir Bains >> > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. >Kulbir Bains Share files, take polls, and discuss your passions - all under one roof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Dear Vinay Ji,I reciprocate the views of Kulbir & Bhardwaj Ji. Keep it up and bring some more out of you.Your mind is very fertile.YoursShiv Dev KalsiOn 10/28/07, kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote: vinay ji , although i couldn't grasp it earlier but now i understand, please keep up with ur nalytical skills to other areas of lk also. accept my congratulations. kulbirbainsVinay kumar <v4vedic > wrote:Dear Bhardwaj Ji,Thanks for the encouragement given to me. I have not too much to prove here but have only minor apprehensions regarding the timing and power of planets. Let me take the example as per rashiJupiter, Saturn,Mars have allocated 6 Years(240Minutes) each for there two rashis. Venus 3years (120 minutes) for two rashisKetu allocated 3 years (120 Minutes) for One rashi Sun allocated 2 Years(80 Minutes) for one rashi Mercury allocated 2 Years(80 Minutes) each for one rashiMoon has given one year (40 minutes) each for one Rashi. and Finally Rahu has been given single handed 6 Years(240 minutes) Now jupiter Saturn and mars have to take care of their rashis having 120 minutes eachVenus has to manage two rashis in 120 minutes Mercury has to manage two rashis in 80 minutes Rest all have to manage one rashi in respective time. My view is that Rahu has in fact No rashi. He has just annexed abode from Jupiter. Thus he has to manage the house where he sits. and with having 240 minutes time to act alone in that rashi. That is why it eclipse the Sun when it is with him. Sun protect itself only maximum for 80 minutes Similarly Ketu has to manage the house where it sits, He also eclipses Moon having 40 minutes only Moon can survive 40 minutes rest 80 minutes Ketu will rule.Please have comment upon this. I will put more further if allowed YoursVinay================================================================= You both are correct at your level.Vinay ji is talking about the Time allocated to a planet in a day forits effect. Kulbir Ji is talking about ascertainng the Time allocated toascertain the Planet of Janam Waqt.I feel both are different issues.Vinay ji is trying to co-relate this timing in relation to Owning ofRashis and Pakka ghars. Vinay Ji I request you to be more elaborative in this topic. Thisseems to be new concept. Let the group member discuss what Vinay jiwant to prove with this theoryKulbir ji , I request you to illustrate the difference between 4 & 7. Many New members may not be knowing difference between Amavas andkali RaatRegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote:>> vinay ji, thanx i missed it but please read the grammar portion asa whole the governing rule has been cited there for ur kind information i am reproducing it here.> 1. guru- suraj niklne se din ka pahla hissa. > 2. suraj- din niklane ke pehle hisse ke baad magar pakki dopaharse pehle.> 3. chandra- chandni raat.> 4. shukra - krishan paksh aur shukla paksh ki biich ki amavas ki raat> 5. mangal- poori dopahar ka hissa. > 6. budh- dopahar ke baad magar poori sham se pehle.> 7. kali raat ya ghanghor kale badal ka din.> 8. rahu- poori sham magar raat se pehle> 9. ketu - subah par suraj niklne sepehle. >> now what do u reccomend for janam waqt samay ka samay. time slotas forwarded by ur gudself or the above written. i think it is a fitcase where the learned moderator should resolve this issue. > kulbirbains >> Vinay V <v4vedic wrote:> Dear Kulbir Ji,> You do not aware of the contents of The LalKitab. I am> citing very much from LalKitab it self.Please refer> farman 113 may be on page 117 of lalkitab1939 by beni > madhav goswami> Vinay>> --- kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote:>> > vinay ji, the time allocated to diffeent planets is> > based upon sunrise and sunset. the sunrise nd sunset > > time keep on flutuating so i don't think time> > alloted to particular planets can be measured by> > universal watertight compartments. if u have some> > other logic please clarfy. > > i m afraid u have mixed shashtri jyotish with> > lalkitab.> > in lalkitab moon's time is chandni raat , shukrr's> > time is amavasya night. shani's time is kali ya > > ghanghor raat ya baadal ka din. according to ur> > analysis these planets must have a time slot in> > every 24 hours but it is not so.> > rahu's time is poori sham ki raat magar raat se > > pehle and ketu's is surya ke niklne se phle ka> > samay.> > i fail to understand on what basis u concluded> > this time distribution. according to ur anaylsis> > budh is the lowest gainer but lalkitab consides it > > as shaktimaan.> > please elaborate ur answer with due explanation> > kulbirbains.> >> > Vinay V <v4vedic wrote:> > There is little confusion in the times > > allocated to> > planets in lalkitab. Time allocated to the planets> > are> > Jup- 240 minutes> > Sun- 80 minutes> > Moon-40> > Shukar-120> > Mars-240 > > Mercury-80> > Shani-240> > rahu-240> > ketu-120> > Total= 1400 minutes> > while the day is of 1440 minutes> > to whom this these 40 minutes allocated. > >> > Secondly from the above timing it can be seen that> > Jup- has 2 rashis and get 120 min for each> > Sun -- 1 - 80 min> > Moon 1 40> > shukar 2 60> > mars 2 120 > > mercury 2 40> > shani 2 120> > Rahu 0 240> > Ketu 0 120> > Rahu is emerging the highest minutes gainer moon and> > mercury lowest> >> > If we see from pakka ghar point of view > > Jup- has 4 pakkae ghar and get 60 min for each> > Sun -- 2 - 40 min> > Moon 1 40> > shukar 1 120> > mars 2 120> > mercury 1 80> > shani 3 80> > Rahu 1 240 > > Ketu 1 120> > Again Rahu is the highest gainer> > Above table shows that Rahu plays very important> > part> > in kundli.and Ketu is Second> > Therefore Rahu and ketu must be seen before giving > > any> > upaya> > regards> > Vinay> >> > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Go> > to> > http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php> >> >> >> >> >> > Kulbir Bains> >> > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > > click away.>> Flying to Bangalore or Bhopal? Search for tickets at http://in.farechase. >>>>>> Kulbir Bains >> > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > Kulbir Bains Share files, take polls, and discuss your passions - all under one roof. -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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