How to read LalKitab?

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Respected Experts,I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.ThanksYogesh

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Dear Yogesh Ji,First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.

There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.

Key No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental level only..

Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.few thoughts of these areThis Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books.

Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on. Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time.Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race.

Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words. Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.

Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five books Beware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them areJustifying/co-relating each rule with other system of Astrology

Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are wrong.

Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts. Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues.

I follow these rules till date.Hope you will find it use full.RegardsNirmal Kumar BhardwajOn 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely wrote:

 

Respected Experts,I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.ThanksYogesh

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Yogesh ji, nirmal ji has listed the correct method; through my experience i want to say that keep a copy with you, make your own index, whenever u come across anything new note it down in the copy alongwith page no. this will help u immensly. e.g while reading the book u come across any mention of house note the page no. and brief details, when u move ahead u will again come across this subject at various other places, note them also in same way. this way when any doubt arises or you want to understand any concept, all the material will be at your ready disposal, this way u can corelate and understand better. each time u pick up the book u will come across a totally different concept, slowly the revision of the book will reveal its logics, grammar etc.

it may be my superstition but if the notebook and lalkitab both are covered by dull red colour, it helps.

lalkitab is a different stream of astrology/occult; comparison can be made with other streams at advanced stage but i prefer that it should be read independent of any bias or comparison.

happy reading.

kulbirbance

On 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Yogesh Ji,First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.

There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.

Key No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental level only..

Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.few thoughts of these are

 

This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books. Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on. Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time. Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race. Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words.

Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five books

Beware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them are

 

Justifying/co-relating each rule with other system of Astrology

Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are wrong. Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts. Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues.

I follow these rules till date.Hope you will find it use full.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely wrote:

 

 

 

 

Respected Experts,I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.ThanksYogesh

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Respected Nirmal Jee,What an article indeed!!! This is the best article I ever came across describing the correct method of studying Lal Kitab. No one could have ever described it better the way you did. Every word of your post is like a precious gem, my salutations to you. I always been a great admirer of your systematic approach and learned a lot from you, your "5-key formula" has further strengthen my faith in your matured thinking. This funda will always be remembered as “Nirmal’s 5-Key formulaâ€. This will surely help students like me to adopt a proper way in leaning this divine scripture, I would humbly request every true LK student to strictly follow this. I am fully agree with you that without knowing completely about "What is written" in the books, raising questions as to "Why it is written†would be like attempting to write a

thesis without passing the middle standard exam. May Pundit jee always bless you.RespectfullyYograj Prabhakar--- On Tue, 4/29/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:kulbir bance <kulbirbanceRe: How to read LalKitab? Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2008, 11:36 AM

 

Yogesh ji, nirmal ji has listed the correct method; through my experience i want to say that keep a copy with you, make your own index, whenever u come across anything new note it down in the copy alongwith page no. this will help u immensly. e.g while reading the book u come across any mention of house note the page no. and brief details, when u move ahead u will again come across this subject at various other places, note them also in same way. this way when any doubt arises or you want to understand any concept, all the material will be at your ready disposal, this way u can corelate and understand better. each time u pick up the book u will come across a totally different concept, slowly the revision of the book will reveal its logics, grammar etc.

it may be my superstition but if the notebook and lalkitab both are covered by dull red colour, it helps.

lalkitab is a different stream of astrology/occult; comparison can be made with other streams at advanced stage but i prefer that it should be read independent of any bias or comparison.

happy reading.

kulbirbance

On 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Yogesh Ji,First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.

There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.

Key No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental level only..

Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.few thoughts of these are

 

This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books. Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on. Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time. Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race. Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words.

Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five books

Beware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them are

 

Justifying/co- relating each rule with other system of Astrology

Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are wrong. Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts. Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues.

I follow these rules till date.Hope you will find it use full.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Respected Experts,I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.ThanksYogesh

 

 

 

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Respected Nirmal Ji and Yograj Ji,

This response has come to me at such a time when I was about to jump to read one part of Lalkitab, which I received last Sunday from Shri Prabhakar ji. It also goes with my own philosophy of primary education, which was my bread and butter for 13 full years, that unless you understand don’t try to jump to next step. The key here is learning with understanding. Well said and precisely mentioned. Now comes the real problem with me on practical grounds that from where I can find rest of the four parts. Once again I would look towards both of you for such great help.

 

I fully endorse "Nirmal's 5-key Formula" and would be so happy if Mr. LY Rao also reads this communication carefully with a mindset of primary age going student. I also thank Kulbir bhai for his valuable feedback and insights on the topic below.

 

God bless you all for serving people in such a nice way. And honestly speaking after this communication here, my zeal to learn about Lal Kitab has been raised and I will be a disciplined student of LK in coming months with guides and teachers like you. Please bless me with your wisdom and knowledge.

 

Most sincerely,

Dharmender

 

 

 

Yograj Prabhakar

Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:31 PM

Re: How to read LalKitab?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Nirmal Jee,What an article indeed!!! This is the best article I ever came across describing the correct method of studying Lal Kitab. No one could have ever described it better the way you did. Every word of your post is like a precious gem, my salutations to you. I always been a great admirer of your systematic approach and learned a lot from you, your "5-key formula" has further strengthen my faith in your matured thinking. This funda will always be remembered as “Nirmal’s 5-Key formulaâ€. This will surely help students like me to adopt a proper way in leaning this divine scripture, I would humbly request every true LK student to strictly follow this. I am fully agree with you that without knowing completely about "What is written" in the books, raising questions as to "Why it is written†would be like attempting to write a thesis without passing the middle standard exam. May Pundit jee always bless you.RespectfullyYograj Prabhakar--- On Tue, 4/29/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance > wrote:

kulbir bance <kulbirbance >Re: How to read LalKitab? Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2008, 11:36 AM

 

 

 

Yogesh ji, nirmal ji has listed the correct method; through my experience i want to say that keep a copy with you, make your own index, whenever u come across anything new note it down in the copy alongwith page no. this will help u immensly. e.g while reading the book u come across any mention of house note the page no. and brief details, when u move ahead u will again come across this subject at various other places, note them also in same way. this way when any doubt arises or you want to understand any concept, all the material will be at your ready disposal, this way u can corelate and understand better. each time u pick up the book u will come across a totally different concept, slowly the revision of the book will reveal its logics, grammar etc.

it may be my superstition but if the notebook and lalkitab both are covered by dull red colour, it helps.

lalkitab is a different stream of astrology/occult; comparison can be made with other streams at advanced stage but i prefer that it should be read independent of any bias or comparison.

happy reading.

kulbirbance

On 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Yogesh Ji,First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.Key No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental level only.. Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.few thoughts of these are

 

This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books. Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on. Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time. Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race. Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words. Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five booksBeware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them are

 

Justifying/co- relating each rule with other system of Astrology

Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are wrong. Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts. Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues. I follow these rules till date.Hope you will find it use full.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Respected Experts,I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.ThanksYogesh

 

 

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Respected Nirmal ji I really appreciate your valuable 5 point agenda. I think its very important to keep ourself reminding that we learn only when we are receptive and think that every day and every minute adds to our experience and knowledge. Also, there is no end of knowledge. It grows with us and still we r always short of it All the big astrologers have given their words of appreciation to you already and a student like me is just adding her small input... Regards Astrostudent Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: Respected Nirmal Jee,What an article indeed!!! This is the best article I ever came across describing the correct method of studying Lal Kitab. No one could have ever described it better the way you did. Every word of your post is like a precious gem, my salutations to you. I always been a great admirer of your systematic approach and learned a lot from you, your "5-key formula" has further strengthen my faith in your matured thinking. This funda will always be remembered as “Nirmal’s 5-Key formulaâ€. This will surely help students like me to adopt a proper way in leaning this divine scripture, I would humbly request every true LK student to strictly follow this. I am fully agree with you that without knowing completely about "What is written" in the books, raising questions as to "Why it

is written†would be like attempting to write a thesis without passing the middle standard exam. May Pundit jee always bless you.RespectfullyYograj Prabhakar--- On Tue, 4/29/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance > wrote: kulbir bance <kulbirbance >Re: How to read LalKitab? Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2008, 11:36 AM Yogesh ji, nirmal ji has listed the correct method; through my experience i want to say that keep a copy with you, make your own index, whenever u come across anything new note it down in the copy alongwith page no. this will help u immensly. e.g while reading the book u come across any mention of house note the page no. and brief details, when u move ahead u will again

come across this subject at various other places, note them also in same way. this way when any doubt arises or you want to understand any concept, all the material will be at your ready disposal, this way u can corelate and understand better. each time u pick up the book u will come across a totally different concept, slowly the revision of the book will reveal its logics, grammar etc. it may be my superstition but if the notebook and lalkitab both are covered by dull red colour, it helps. lalkitab is a different stream of astrology/occult; comparison can be made with other streams at advanced stage but i prefer that it should be read independent of any bias or comparison. happy reading. kulbirbance On 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Yogesh Ji,First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.Key

No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental level only.. Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.few thoughts of these are This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books. Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on. Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time. Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race. Above all, keep away all guide books on

lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words. Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five booksBeware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them are Justifying/co- relating each rule with other system of Astrology Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are

wrong. Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts. Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues. I follow these rules till date.Hope you will find it use full.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely@ gmail.com> wrote: Respected Experts,I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.ThanksYogesh Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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Dear Nirmal Ji,Bhai bahut badhiya kunji dee hai aapnay.sabhi ke liye. Aapki yeh kunjiyaan hamesha yaad rakhney waali hain. Bhai Prabhakar ney is kunji kaa nam bhee de diya hai yaad rakhney ke liye. meri yeh tahe dil se ummeed hai kee yeh kunjiyaan bahut badey khazane ko kholney kaa kaam baakhoobi nibhaayengi

Aap KaIqbal Chand ThakurOn 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

 

Dear Yogesh Ji,First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.

There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.

Key No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental level only..

Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.few thoughts of these areThis Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books.

Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on. Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time.Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race.

Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words. Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.

Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five booksBeware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them areJustifying/co-relating each rule with other system of Astrology

Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are wrong.

Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts. Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues.

I follow these rules till date.Hope you will find it use full.RegardsNirmal Kumar BhardwajOn 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely wrote:

Respected Experts,I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.

ThanksYogesh

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Respected Nirmal Sahib,

 

This " 5-Key formula" will help us alot to read and understand Lalkitab in a systematic way, and will prove very useful for beginners like me.

 

Simply the best and useful way of reading Lalkitab system.

Thanks with Regards

 

"Make light around you," said the fire.--- On Mon, 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbharRe: How to read LalKitab? Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 10:06 PM

 

 

Dear Yogesh Ji,First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.Key No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand .

Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental level only.. Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.few thoughts of these are

 

This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books.

Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on.

Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time.

Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race.Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words. Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five booksBeware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them are

 

Justifying/co- relating each rule with other system of Astrology

Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are wrong.

Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts. Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues. I follow these rules till date.Hope you will find it use full.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Respected Experts,I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.ThanksYogesh

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Nirmal Ji, I must highly appericiate you for always sharing ur experinaces, this 5 key methodology is no doubt a great outcome ............. i do hope this 'll help all those who are learning lal kitab, but don't have proper line of action., Regards Sanjeev Khanna Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote: Dear Yogesh Ji,First all i refresh about the LalKitab

editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.Key No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental

level only.. Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.few thoughts of these are This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books. Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on. Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time. Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race.Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words. Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you

read all five booksBeware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them are Justifying/co-relating each rule with other system of Astrology Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are wrong. Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts. Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules

of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues. I follow these rules till date.Hope you will find it use full.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely > wrote: Respected Experts,I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.ThanksYogesh

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the correct method of learning LK, I tried to ask many prominent

persons regarding the correct method of study, but never got a

satisfactory answer, but I got the right answer from you only. Kulbir

bhais point of wrapping the book in dull red cover is also very

important, please include it too in your great formula.

 

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Thanks Nirmal Ji, I am reading with other method. I had difficulties in understanding the concept. I will difinitely try this method. It seems to be more practical. Thanks againVinayOn 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

 

Dear Yogesh Ji,First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.

There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.

Key No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental level only..

Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.few thoughts of these areThis Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books.

Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on. Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time.Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race.

Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words. Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.

Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five booksBeware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them areJustifying/co-relating each rule with other system of Astrology

Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are wrong.

Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts. Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues.

I follow these rules till date.Hope you will find it use full.RegardsNirmal Kumar BhardwajOn 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely wrote:

Respected Experts,I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.

ThanksYogesh

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Dear Nirmal Ji, Methods seems to be good. There are nearly 3000 pages of all the books and with this speed it will take years to have First reading of all the books. Moreover, Transliteration of all the books are not available. How to cope up with that problem.

YoursOn 4/29/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

 

Yogesh ji, nirmal ji has listed the correct method; through my experience i want to say that keep a copy with you, make your own index, whenever u come across anything new note it down in the copy alongwith page no. this will help u immensly. e.g while reading the book u come across any mention of house note the page no. and brief details, when u move ahead u will again come across this subject at various other places, note them also in same way. this way when any doubt arises or you want to understand any concept, all the material will be at your ready disposal, this way u can corelate and understand better. each time u pick up the book u will come across a totally different concept, slowly the revision of the book will reveal its logics, grammar etc.

it may be my superstition but if the notebook and lalkitab both are covered by dull red colour, it helps.lalkitab is a different stream of astrology/occult; comparison can be made with other streams at advanced stage but i prefer that it should be read independent of any bias or comparison.

happy reading.kulbirbance On 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

Dear Yogesh Ji,First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.

There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.

Key No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental level only..

Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.few thoughts of these areThis Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books.

Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on. Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time. Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race.

Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words. Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.

Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five booksBeware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them areJustifying/co-relating each rule with other system of Astrology

Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are wrong.

Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts. Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues.

I follow these rules till date.Hope you will find it use full.RegardsNirmal Kumar BhardwajOn 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely wrote:

Respected Experts,I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.

ThanksYogesh

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

[Guest guest]

Respected Kalsi jee

 

You are absolutely right that its not an easy job to read more than

2000 pages, but " Kadin Marey Bina vee Swarag Milya hai kisey nu? Aini

ku takleef taan karni hi paini hai Sir " .

 

You must be aware the the verbatim transliterations of first three

editions (1939, 1940 and 1941) are already available, 1942 edition

will be out in the coming few weeks.

 

Transliteration of 1952 edition is a daunting task. But I came to know

that the work is also under progress in full swing, maybe the year

2008 will also see the correct most transliteration of 1952 edition also.

 

Kindly keep us all blessed.

 

Respectfully

Yograj Prabhakar

 

 

, " Shivdev Kalsi "

<shivdev.kalsi wrote:

>

> Dear Nirmal Ji,

> Methods seems to be good. There are nearly 3000 pages of all the

> books and with this speed it will take years to have First reading of

> all the books. Moreover,

> Transliteration of all the books are not available. How to cope up

> with that problem.

> Yours

>

> On 4/29/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

> >

> > Yogesh ji, nirmal ji has listed the correct method; through my

experience

> > i want to say that keep a copy with you, make your own index,

whenever u

> > come across anything new note it down in the copy alongwith page

no. this

> > will help u immensly. e.g while reading the book u come across any

mention

> > of house note the page no. and brief details, when u move ahead u

will again

> > come across this subject at various other places, note them also

in same

> > way. this way when any doubt arises or you want to understand any

concept,

> > all the material will be at your ready disposal, this way u can

corelate and

> > understand better. each time u pick up the book u will come across

a totally

> > different concept, slowly the revision of the book will reveal its

logics,

> > grammar etc.

> > it may be my superstition but if the notebook and lalkitab both are

> > covered by dull red colour, it helps.

> > lalkitab is a different stream of astrology/occult; comparison can

be made

> > with other streams at advanced stage but i prefer that it should

be read

> > independent of any bias or comparison.

> > happy reading.

> > kulbirbance

> >

> >

> > On 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Yogesh Ji,

> > > First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be

knowing

> > > that there are five books. each volume is independent of

others. Study the

> > > books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and

finally 1952.

> > > There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to

this sort

> > > of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys

to read this

> > > book.This may help every new students

> > > *Key No.1*. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary

class.

> > > You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.

> > > *Key No.2.* Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and

consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language

which is very simple

> > > to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you

keeping in

> > > view of your mental level only..

> > > *Key No.3*. Think - what a primary class student think while reading

> > > Qayda.

> > > few thoughts of these are

> > >

> > > 1. This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill

> > > you read all the five books.

> > > 2. Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being.

> > > You can co-relate later on.

> > > 3. Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time.

> > > 4. Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be

> > > winner of slow race.

> > >

> > > Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these

> > > books later on after reading all the five books. Think only

> > > what you understand dont go by others' words.

> > > *Key No 4*. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise,

planet wise

> > > as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.

> > > *Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five books*

> > >

> > > *Beware:* some habits may try to start forcing your minds after

reading

> > > few books. few of them are

> > >

> > > - Justifying/co-relating each rule with other system of Astrology

> > > - Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very

> > > dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by

budh Dayra.

> > > Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can

write as many

> > > pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if

> > > your understanding are wrong.

> > > - Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book.

this habit indicates that the student is

> > > going away from the basic concepts.

> > >

> > > *Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you

> > > follow the rules of the system

> > > then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become

the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate

the issues.

> > > *

> > > I follow these rules till date.

> > > Hope you will find it use full.

> > > Regards

> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > >

> > > On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Experts,

> > > > I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is

there

> > > > any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the

matter during

> > > > reading.

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Yogesh

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

>

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Charan pranaam to all my seniors and colleagues,

 

It is really nice to see all of you discussing on

various aspects of the lal kitab.all members of this

esteemed group belong to various fields ,either most

of them are highly qualified,technical personalities

and from other various academic backgrounds.in all I

mean to say that every body knows the value of gaining

education and giving education.the main purpose of

this group is this that every body should start

thinking and finding the root basics given in the lal

kitab and start maintaining those things

,lifestyle,ideology,good character,universal

brotherhood ,ecology and many other things in their

own life and inspire others also to do the same with

the help of this divine knowledge.

As this discussion is going on on how to read lal

kitab?no doubt it is a wonderful topic and all my

seniors ,brothers and colleagues have given their

remarkable findings and personal experiences for

reading the lal kitab,seeking permission from all of

you I would also like to add few things to the on

going discussion:

 

1. FIRST OF ALL THE PERSON WHO IS GOING TO READ THE

LAL KITAB SHOULD BE A SIMPLE AND CALM PERSON.

2. HE SHOULD HAVE RELIGIOUS BACKGROUND.

3. HE SHOULD BE A PIOUS PERSON.

4. STRAIGHTFORWARD

5. HAVE LOGICAL MIND

6. AWAY FROM THE CLUTCHES OF WORLDLY BINDINGS

7. TREND SETTER

8. SHOULD NOT BE AFTER MONEY

9. SHOULD NOT HAVE EGO

10. DOWN TO EARTH PERSONALITY.

 

 

I FEEL THESE ARE THE VERY SIMPLE FIRST BASICS WHICH

ARE MANDATORY FOR THE ONE WHO WANTS TO READ AND

UNDERSTAND THIS GREAT BOOK.AS WHEN WE ADOPT SOME

RELIGON THERE ARE CERTAIN BASICS TO GET INTO THAT

RELIGON AND THOSE THINGS ARE COMPULSORY,THE SAME WAY

IS WITH THIS GREAT BOOK ALSO BECAUSE THIS IS AN EXTRA

ORDINARY BOOK WRITTEN BY AN EXTRA ORDINARY PERSONALITY

AND TO BE READ BY EXTRA ORDINARY PEOPLE ONLY( IN THE

REAL WAY) BUT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO GET ALONG WITH ITS

BASIC AND ORDINARY PRINCIPLES.

SO I HAVE TO SAY ON MY PART THAT I AM STILL STRUGGLING

AGAIN AND AGAIN TO BE WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE

ABOVE SAID TEN POINTS AND TRYING TO ADOPT THESE THINGS

IN MY LIFE BUT ITS REALLY TOO HARD,BUT I AM SURE THAT

BY THE BLESSINGS OF MY SENIORS ,COLLEAGUES AND FRIENDS

I WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE HIDDEN MEANINGS

OF THE LAL KITAB BY HUMBLE,NOBLE , AND SIMPLE

APPROACH.

I SPECIALLY PAY MY REGARDS TO YOGRAJJI,BECAUSE I AM

ALWAYS TROUBLING HIM TO CLEAR MY DOUBTS IRRESPECTIVE

OF TIME AS HE HAD GIVEN ME THE PRIVELEGE TO DISTURB

HIM AT ANY TIME.THERE ARE SO MANY PERSONALITIES WITH

WHOM I AM IN TOUCH ,ITS DIFFICULT TO NAME ALL OF THEM

BUT I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE NIRMAL JI FOR PERFORMING

THIS GREAT DUTY WITH SUCH TRUTHFULLNESS AND

DEDICATEDLY. BEING VERY SLOW IN TYPING I AM NOT ABLE

TO WRITE QUITE OFTENLY BUT I DO READ MAILS AND ALWAYS

TRY TO KEEP MYSELF UPDATED WITH GROUP ACTIVITIES.

IN THE LAST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE LINE IN PUNJABI:

ASAL DE VICH ASAL HI MIL SAKDA HAI KHOT NAHI

MEANS REAL CAN MEET REAL ONLY

REAL CANNOT MEET ARTIFICAL

 

SO IF WE WANT TO LEARN THE TRUTH WHICH IS HIDDEN IN

LAL KITAB,WE HAVE TO BECOME TRUE TO OURSELVES AND

TRUTHFUL TO REST OF THE WORLD.

 

REGARDS

MS KONDAL

 

 

 

--- Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:

 

> Respected Kalsi jee

>

> You are absolutely right that its not an easy job to

> read more than

> 2000 pages, but " Kadin Marey Bina vee Swarag Milya

> hai kisey nu? Aini

> ku takleef taan karni hi paini hai Sir " .

>

> You must be aware the the verbatim transliterations

> of first three

> editions (1939, 1940 and 1941) are already

> available, 1942 edition

> will be out in the coming few weeks.

>

> Transliteration of 1952 edition is a daunting task.

> But I came to know

> that the work is also under progress in full swing,

> maybe the year

> 2008 will also see the correct most transliteration

> of 1952 edition also.

>

> Kindly keep us all blessed.

>

> Respectfully

> Yograj Prabhakar

>

>

> , " Shivdev

> Kalsi "

> <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nirmal Ji,

> > Methods seems to be good. There are nearly 3000

> pages of all the

> > books and with this speed it will take years to

> have First reading of

> > all the books. Moreover,

> > Transliteration of all the books are not

> available. How to cope up

> > with that problem.

> > Yours

> >

> > On 4/29/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

> > >

> > > Yogesh ji, nirmal ji has listed the correct

> method; through my

> experience

> > > i want to say that keep a copy with you, make

> your own index,

> whenever u

> > > come across anything new note it down in the

> copy alongwith page

> no. this

> > > will help u immensly. e.g while reading the book

> u come across any

> mention

> > > of house note the page no. and brief details,

> when u move ahead u

> will again

> > > come across this subject at various other

> places, note them also

> in same

> > > way. this way when any doubt arises or you want

> to understand any

> concept,

> > > all the material will be at your ready disposal,

> this way u can

> corelate and

> > > understand better. each time u pick up the book

> u will come across

> a totally

> > > different concept, slowly the revision of the

> book will reveal its

> logics,

> > > grammar etc.

> > > it may be my superstition but if the notebook

> and lalkitab both are

> > > covered by dull red colour, it helps.

> > > lalkitab is a different stream of

> astrology/occult; comparison can

> be made

> > > with other streams at advanced stage but i

> prefer that it should

> be read

> > > independent of any bias or comparison.

> > > happy reading.

> > > kulbirbance

> > >

> > >

> > > On 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Yogesh Ji,

> > > > First all i refresh about the LalKitab

> editions. You might be

> knowing

> > > > that there are five books. each volume is

> independent of

> others. Study the

> > > > books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940,

> 1941, 1942 and

> finally 1952.

> > > > There are many methods oif reading a subject.

> I have been to

> this sort

> > > > of experience while doing studies initialy. I

> give you few keys

> to read this

> > > > book.This may help every new students

> > > > *Key No.1*. Consider your self that you are a

> student of Primary

> class.

> > > > You will be in this level only untill you read

> all the five books.

> > > > *Key No.2.* Consider each lalkitab as Qayda

> (Primer) and

> consider it self as very simple and is written in

> such a language

> which is very simple

> > > > to understand . Consider that this book is

> written only for you

> keeping in

> > > > view of your mental level only..

> > > > *Key No.3*. Think - what a primary class

> student think while reading

> > > > Qayda.

> > > > few thoughts of these are

> > > >

> > > > 1. This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring

> the word 'why' untill

> > > > you read all the five books.

> > > > 2. Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its

> rules for time being.

> > > > You can co-relate later on.

> > > > 3. Grammer is the pressure area which shall

> be given more time.

> > > > 4. Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep

> in mind you have to be

> > > > winner of slow race.

> > > >

> > > > Above all, keep away all guide books on

> lalkitab. You can read these

> > > > books later on after reading all the five

> books. Think only

> > > > what you understand dont go by others' words.

> > > > *Key No 4*. Make a list of Ashayiaan of

> planets, khanawise,

> planet wise

> > > > as you read. Dont go for ready made lists,

> make yourself.

> > > > *Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read

> all five books*

> > > >

> > > > *Beware:* some habits may try to start forcing

> your minds after

> reading

> > > > few books. few of them are

> > > >

> > > > - Justifying/co-relating each rule with

> other system of Astrology

> > > > - Habit of becoming student of higher

> class. This is a very

> > > > dangerous habit. If it enters then you will

> be encircled by

> budh Dayra.

> > > > Even a simple word seems to be hiding a

> vast meaning.You can

> write as many

> > > > pages as you can for justifying your

> meaning of a word even if

> > > > your understanding are wrong.

> > > > - Worst habit will be that you find an

> error in the book.

> this habit indicates that the student is

> > > > going away from the basic concepts.

> > > >

> > > > *Always remember that you are becoming the

> part of a system. if you

> > > > follow the rules of the system

> > > > then and then only you can learn it

> completely.Once you become

> the part of this system then only you can have the

> liberty to debate

> the issues.

> > > > *

> > > > I follow these rules till date.

> > > > Hope you will find it use full.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > >

> > > > On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely

> <yogesh.jaitely wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Experts,

> > > > > I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by

> Yograj Prabhakar.Is

> there

> > > > > any special method to read this book. I am

> unable to link the

> matter during

> > > > > reading.

>

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Respected guru ji, it is absolutely correct, but with ur kind permission i want to add that pt ji advised the book to be covered in dull red colour signifying mangal nek. i personally feel friends representing mangal nek help by assuming the role of friend philospher and guide. u must be remebering the case of pistan which was solved by prabhakar ji, lalkitab has technical and local dialects which an senior friend can explain e.g for suraj no2 in its written SAKHI HO TO BADHTA JAVE......... now only some senior member/friend can explain that here sakhi means sakhi sarawar lakh data pir and not a friend, tunia tota is another example, there are many many examples.

but gurudev the present age is of kalyug i have live examples of people who don't follow some of ur 10 point formula but still there is unparrallel. i think will power is the greatest motivator.

sincerely

kulbirbance

On 5/2/08, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Charan pranaam to all my seniors and colleagues,It is really nice to see all of you discussing onvarious aspects of the lal kitab.all members of thisesteemed group belong to various fields ,either most

of them are highly qualified,technical personalitiesand from other various academic backgrounds.in all Imean to say that every body knows the value of gaining

education and giving education.the main purpose ofthis group is this that every body should startthinking and finding the root basics given in the lalkitab and start maintaining those things,lifestyle,ideology,good character,universal

brotherhood ,ecology and many other things in theirown life and inspire others also to do the same withthe help of this divine knowledge.As this discussion is going on on how to read lalkitab?no doubt it is a wonderful topic and all my

seniors ,brothers and colleagues have given theirremarkable findings and personal experiences forreading the lal kitab,seeking permission from all ofyou I would also like to add few things to the ongoing discussion:

1. FIRST OF ALL THE PERSON WHO IS GOING TO READ THELAL KITAB SHOULD BE A SIMPLE AND CALM PERSON.2. HE SHOULD HAVE RELIGIOUS BACKGROUND.3. HE SHOULD BE A PIOUS PERSON.4. STRAIGHTFORWARD 5. HAVE LOGICAL MIND

6. AWAY FROM THE CLUTCHES OF WORLDLY BINDINGS7. TREND SETTER 8. SHOULD NOT BE AFTER MONEY9. SHOULD NOT HAVE EGO10. DOWN TO EARTH PERSONALITY.I FEEL THESE ARE THE VERY SIMPLE FIRST BASICS WHICHARE MANDATORY FOR THE ONE WHO WANTS TO READ AND

UNDERSTAND THIS GREAT BOOK.AS WHEN WE ADOPT SOMERELIGON THERE ARE CERTAIN BASICS TO GET INTO THATRELIGON AND THOSE THINGS ARE COMPULSORY,THE SAME WAY

IS WITH THIS GREAT BOOK ALSO BECAUSE THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY BOOK WRITTEN BY AN EXTRA ORDINARY PERSONALITYAND TO BE READ BY EXTRA ORDINARY PEOPLE ONLY( IN THEREAL WAY) BUT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO GET ALONG WITH ITS

BASIC AND ORDINARY PRINCIPLES.SO I HAVE TO SAY ON MY PART THAT I AM STILL STRUGGLINGAGAIN AND AGAIN TO BE WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THEABOVE SAID TEN POINTS AND TRYING TO ADOPT THESE THINGSIN MY LIFE BUT ITS REALLY TOO HARD,BUT I AM SURE THAT

BY THE BLESSINGS OF MY SENIORS ,COLLEAGUES AND FRIENDSI WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE HIDDEN MEANINGSOF THE LAL KITAB BY HUMBLE,NOBLE , AND SIMPLEAPPROACH.I SPECIALLY PAY MY REGARDS TO YOGRAJJI,BECAUSE I AM

ALWAYS TROUBLING HIM TO CLEAR MY DOUBTS IRRESPECTIVEOF TIME AS HE HAD GIVEN ME THE PRIVELEGE TO DISTURBHIM AT ANY TIME.THERE ARE SO MANY PERSONALITIES WITHWHOM I AM IN TOUCH ,ITS DIFFICULT TO NAME ALL OF THEM

BUT I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE NIRMAL JI FOR PERFORMINGTHIS GREAT DUTY WITH SUCH TRUTHFULLNESS AND DEDICATEDLY. BEING VERY SLOW IN TYPING I AM NOT ABLETO WRITE QUITE OFTENLY BUT I DO READ MAILS AND ALWAYSTRY TO KEEP MYSELF UPDATED WITH GROUP ACTIVITIES.

IN THE LAST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE LINE IN PUNJABI:ASAL DE VICH ASAL HI MIL SAKDA HAI KHOT NAHIMEANS REAL CAN MEET REAL ONLY REAL CANNOT MEET ARTIFICALSO IF WE WANT TO LEARN THE TRUTH WHICH IS HIDDEN IN

LAL KITAB,WE HAVE TO BECOME TRUE TO OURSELVES ANDTRUTHFUL TO REST OF THE WORLD.REGARDSMS KONDAL --- Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:

> Respected Kalsi jee> > You are absolutely right that its not an easy job to> read more than> 2000 pages, but " Kadin Marey Bina vee Swarag Milya> hai kisey nu? Aini> ku takleef taan karni hi paini hai Sir " .

> > You must be aware the the verbatim transliterations> of first three> editions (1939, 1940 and 1941) are already> available, 1942 edition> will be out in the coming few weeks.

> > Transliteration of 1952 edition is a daunting task.> But I came to know> that the work is also under progress in full swing,> maybe the year> 2008 will also see the correct most transliteration

> of 1952 edition also.> > Kindly keep us all blessed.> > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar> > > , " Shivdev

> Kalsi " > <shivdev.kalsi wrote:> >> > Dear Nirmal Ji,> > Methods seems to be good. There are nearly 3000> pages of all the> > books and with this speed it will take years to

> have First reading of> > all the books. Moreover,> > Transliteration of all the books are not> available. How to cope up> > with that problem.> > Yours> >

> > On 4/29/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:> > >> > > Yogesh ji, nirmal ji has listed the correct > method; through my> experience> > > i want to say that keep a copy with you, make

> your own index,> whenever u> > > come across anything new note it down in the> copy alongwith page> no. this> > > will help u immensly. e.g while reading the book> u come across any

> mention> > > of house note the page no. and brief details,> when u move ahead u> will again> > > come across this subject at various other> places, note them also> in same

> > > way. this way when any doubt arises or you want> to understand any> concept,> > > all the material will be at your ready disposal,> this way u can> corelate and> > > understand better. each time u pick up the book

> u will come across> a totally> > > different concept, slowly the revision of the> book will reveal its> logics,> > > grammar etc.> > > it may be my superstition but if the notebook

> and lalkitab both are> > > covered by dull red colour, it helps.> > > lalkitab is a different stream of> astrology/occult; comparison can> be made> > > with other streams at advanced stage but i

> prefer that it should> be read> > > independent of any bias or comparison.> > > happy reading.> > > kulbirbance> > >> > >> > > On 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar

> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Yogesh Ji,> > > > First all i refresh about the LalKitab> editions. You might be> knowing> > > > that there are five books. each volume is

> independent of> others. Study the> > > > books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940,> 1941, 1942 and> finally 1952.> > > > There are many methods oif reading a subject.

> I have been to> this sort> > > > of experience while doing studies initialy. I> give you few keys> to read this> > > > book.This may help every new students> > > > *Key No.1*. Consider your self that you are a

> student of Primary> class.> > > > You will be in this level only untill you read> all the five books.> > > > *Key No.2.* Consider each lalkitab as Qayda > (Primer) and

> consider it self as very simple and is written in> such a language> which is very simple> > > > to understand . Consider that this book is> written only for you> keeping in

> > > > view of your mental level only..> > > > *Key No.3*. Think - what a primary class> student think while reading> > > > Qayda.> > > > few thoughts of these are

> > > >> > > > 1. This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring> the word 'why' untill> > > > you read all the five books.> > > > 2. Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its

> rules for time being.> > > > You can co-relate later on.> > > > 3. Grammer is the pressure area which shall> be given more time.> > > > 4. Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep

> in mind you have to be> > > > winner of slow race.> > > >> > > > Above all, keep away all guide books on> lalkitab. You can read these> > > > books later on after reading all the five

> books. Think only> > > > what you understand dont go by others' words.> > > > *Key No 4*. Make a list of Ashayiaan of> planets, khanawise,> planet wise> > > > as you read. Dont go for ready made lists,

> make yourself.> > > > *Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read> all five books*> > > >> > > > *Beware:* some habits may try to start forcing> your minds after

> reading> > > > few books. few of them are> > > >> > > > - Justifying/co-relating each rule with> other system of Astrology> > > > - Habit of becoming student of higher

> class. This is a very> > > > dangerous habit. If it enters then you will> be encircled by> budh Dayra.> > > > Even a simple word seems to be hiding a> vast meaning.You can

> write as many> > > > pages as you can for justifying your> meaning of a word even if> > > > your understanding are wrong.> > > > - Worst habit will be that you find an

> error in the book.> this habit indicates that the student is> > > > going away from the basic concepts.> > > >> > > > *Always remember that you are becoming the

> part of a system. if you> > > > follow the rules of the system> > > > then and then only you can learn it> completely.Once you become> the part of this system then only you can have the

> liberty to debate> the issues.> > > > *> > > > I follow these rules till date.> > > > Hope you will find it use full.> > > > Regards> > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > >> > > > On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely> <yogesh.jaitely wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Experts,> > > > > I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by

> Yograj Prabhakar.Is> there> > > > > any special method to read this book. I am> unable to link the> matter during> > > > > reading.>

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Respected Kalsi ji, u have mastered shashtri jyotish, did u read a single short book, have u stopped ur study after attaining such standard. it is an on going process. one positive step can be taken that all of us take up a chapter, point together in some sequence and clarify together. this way interest is build up and a point skipped by one is taken up by someone else.

sincerely

kulbirbance

On 5/2/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Nirmal Ji,Methods seems to be good. There are nearly 3000 pages of all the books and with this speed it will take years to have First reading of all the books. Moreover, Transliteration of all the books are not available. How to cope up with that problem.

Yours

On 4/29/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

 

 

 

 

Yogesh ji, nirmal ji has listed the correct method; through my experience i want to say that keep a copy with you, make your own index, whenever u come across anything new note it down in the copy alongwith page no. this will help u immensly. e.g while reading the book u come across any mention of house note the page no. and brief details, when u move ahead u will again come across this subject at various other places, note them also in same way. this way when any doubt arises or you want to understand any concept, all the material will be at your ready disposal, this way u can corelate and understand better. each time u pick up the book u will come across a totally different concept, slowly the revision of the book will reveal its logics, grammar etc.

it may be my superstition but if the notebook and lalkitab both are covered by dull red colour, it helps.

lalkitab is a different stream of astrology/occult; comparison can be made with other streams at advanced stage but i prefer that it should be read independent of any bias or comparison.

happy reading.

kulbirbance

 

On 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Yogesh Ji,First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.

There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.

Key No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental level only..

Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.few thoughts of these are

 

This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books. Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on. Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time. Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race. Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words.

Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five books

Beware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them are

 

Justifying/co-relating each rule with other system of Astrology

Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are wrong. Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts. Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues.

I follow these rules till date.Hope you will find it use full.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely wrote:

 

 

 

 

Respected Experts,I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.ThanksYogesh

 

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

[Guest guest]

Respected Nirmal ji; i am facing a problem, i want to study the

palmistry part alongwith astrology part in lalkitab. do u have any

tips to make the task simpler.

sincerely

kulbirbance

 

, " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj "

<nirbhar wrote:

>

> Dear Yogesh Ji,

> First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be

knowing that

> there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study

the books

> serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.

> There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this

sort of

> experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to

read this

> book.This may help every new students

> *Key No.1*. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary

class. You

> will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.

> *Key No.2.* Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider

it

> self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very

> simple

> to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you

keeping in

> view of your mental level only..

> *Key No.3*. Think - what a primary class student think while

reading Qayda.

> few thoughts of these are

>

> 1. This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why'

untill you

> read all the five books.

> 2. Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time

being. You

> can co-relate later on.

> 3. Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time.

> 4. Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be

> winner of slow race.

>

> Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read

these

> books later on after reading all the five books. Think only

> what you understand dont go by others' words.

> *Key No 4*. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet

wise as

> you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.

> *Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five books*

>

> *Beware:* some habits may try to start forcing your minds after

reading few

> books. few of them are

>

> - Justifying/co-relating each rule with other system of

Astrology

> - Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very

dangerous

> habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra.

> Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can

write as many

> pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if

> your understanding are wrong.

> - Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this

> habit indicates that the student is

> going away from the basic concepts.

>

> *Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if

you follow

> the rules of the system

> then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the

> part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate

the

> issues.

> *

> I follow these rules till date.

> Hope you will find it use full.

> Regards

> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

>

> On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely wrote:

> >

> > Respected Experts,

> > I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is

there any

> > special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter

during

> > reading.

> > Thanks

> > Yogesh

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Sirs,I will follow these rules while making studies of Lal kitab. I have started reading 1939 book printed by Pt.Goswami and also obtained the copy of 1940 book. I will give my feed back later on.Thanks for giving detailed method

RegardsYogeshOn 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

 

Dear Yogesh Ji,First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be knowing that there are five books. each volume is independent of others. Study the books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.

There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to this sort of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to read this book.This may help every new students Key No.1. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary class. You will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.

Key No.2. Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language which is very simple to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you keeping in view of your mental level only..

Key No.3. Think - what a primary class student think while reading Qayda.few thoughts of these areThis Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why' untill you read all the five books.

Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time being. You can co-relate later on. Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more time.Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to be winner of slow race.

Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read these books later on after reading all the five books. Think only what you understand dont go by others' words. Key No 4. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise, planet wise as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.

Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five booksBeware: some habits may try to start forcing your minds after reading few books. few of them areJustifying/co-relating each rule with other system of Astrology

Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra. Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can write as many pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if your understanding are wrong.

Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this habit indicates that the student is going away from the basic concepts. Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if you follow the rules of the system then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate the issues.

I follow these rules till date.Hope you will find it use full.RegardsNirmal Kumar BhardwajOn 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely wrote:

Respected Experts,I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is there any special method to read this book. I am unable to link the matter during reading.

ThanksYogesh

[Guest guest]

Respected Prabhakar Ji,

Great people always motivate the amateurs at their

every maneuver. It is the greatness of Prabh\

aker Ji to motivate be of and on. I \

am always grateful to him. 

Regarding the name given to this reading

formula, My humble request is that any thing\

 realated to group may not be attached t\

o the name of any individual person. I have told

my experience. and there is nothing new or invented in it. Everyone uses

to read 'Qaida' in childhood in this way.

If we want to give it a term then the best name

may be  'Astrostudents 5-Key

formula'. It is the out come of the grou\

p,hence this is the most suitable name.

 

Regards

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

[Guest guest]

Dear Kalsi Ji,

Your apprehensions hold good.This is the longest method, but is

effect will be permanent.

Shortest way to come in to this profession is to take few ready

reckoners written by, Pt. Summat Prashad, Rameshwar Shastri,

Dhanwantri Ji etc etc, One can start prescribing remedies from the

day one. Suggest five or six remedies, like a RMP is doing to his

patients. Many astrologers are doing bussiness like it.

But this is a wrong way to deal with the clients even if one is doing

it free of cost.

Let us be stick to this permanent and perennial method.

Regards

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

 

, " Shivdev

Kalsi " <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

>

> Dear Nirmal Ji,

> Methods seems to be good. There are nearly 3000 pages of all the

> books and with this speed it will take years to have First reading

of

> all the books. Moreover,

> Transliteration of all the books are not available. How to cope up

> with that problem.

> Yours

>

> On 4/29/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

> >

> > Yogesh ji, nirmal ji has listed the correct method; through my

experience

> > i want to say that keep a copy with you, make your own index,

whenever u

> > come across anything new note it down in the copy alongwith page

no. this

> > will help u immensly. e.g while reading the book u come across

any mention

> > of house note the page no. and brief details, when u move ahead

u will again

> > come across this subject at various other places, note them also

in same

> > way. this way when any doubt arises or you want to understand

any concept,

> > all the material will be at your ready disposal, this way u can

corelate and

> > understand better. each time u pick up the book u will come

across a totally

> > different concept, slowly the revision of the book will reveal

its logics,

> > grammar etc.

> > it may be my superstition but if the notebook and lalkitab both

are

> > covered by dull red colour, it helps.

> > lalkitab is a different stream of astrology/occult; comparison

can be made

> > with other streams at advanced stage but i prefer that it should

be read

> > independent of any bias or comparison.

> > happy reading.

> > kulbirbance

> >

> >

> > On 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Yogesh Ji,

> > > First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be

knowing

> > > that there are five books. each volume is independent of

others. Study the

> > > books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and

finally 1952.

> > > There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to

this sort

> > > of experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few

keys to read this

> > > book.This may help every new students

> > > *Key No.1*. Consider your self that you are a student of

Primary class.

> > > You will be in this level only untill you read all the five

books.

> > > *Key No.2.* Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and

consider it self as very simple and is written in such a language

which is very simple

> > > to understand . Consider that this book is written only for

you keeping in

> > > view of your mental level only..

> > > *Key No.3*. Think - what a primary class student think while

reading

> > > Qayda.

> > > few thoughts of these are

> > >

> > > 1. This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why'

untill

> > > you read all the five books.

> > > 2. Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time

being.

> > > You can co-relate later on.

> > > 3. Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more

time.

> > > 4. Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have

to be

> > > winner of slow race.

> > >

> > > Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read

these

> > > books later on after reading all the five books. Think only

> > > what you understand dont go by others' words.

> > > *Key No 4*. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise,

planet wise

> > > as you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.

> > > *Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five books*

> > >

> > > *Beware:* some habits may try to start forcing your minds

after reading

> > > few books. few of them are

> > >

> > > - Justifying/co-relating each rule with other system of

Astrology

> > > - Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very

> > > dangerous habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by

budh Dayra.

> > > Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You

can write as many

> > > pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even

if

> > > your understanding are wrong.

> > > - Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book.

this habit indicates that the student is

> > > going away from the basic concepts.

> > >

> > > *Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system.

if you

> > > follow the rules of the system

> > > then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become

the part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate

the issues.

> > > *

> > > I follow these rules till date.

> > > Hope you will find it use full.

> > > Regards

> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > >

> > > On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Experts,

> > > > I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj

Prabhakar.Is there

> > > > any special method to read this book. I am unable to link

the matter during

> > > > reading.

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Yogesh

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Kondal Ji,

Thanks for refreshing and reminding us of these main necessities.

Every Lalkitab students try to develope the basic qualities mentioned

by you. Though it is very difficult for a person to keep maintained

up to this level, but if one keep on trying one can develope and

maintain these qualities.

Regards

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

, maneshwar singh kondal

<mskondal wrote:

>

> Charan pranaam to all my seniors and colleagues,

>

> It is really nice to see all of you discussing on

> various aspects of the lal kitab.all members of this

> esteemed group belong to various fields ,either most

> of them are highly qualified,technical personalities

> and from other various academic backgrounds.in all I

> mean to say that every body knows the value of gaining

> education and giving education.the main purpose of

> this group is this that every body should start

> thinking and finding the root basics given in the lal

> kitab and start maintaining those things

> ,lifestyle,ideology,good character,universal

> brotherhood ,ecology and many other things in their

> own life and inspire others also to do the same with

> the help of this divine knowledge.

> As this discussion is going on on how to read lal

> kitab?no doubt it is a wonderful topic and all my

> seniors ,brothers and colleagues have given their

> remarkable findings and personal experiences for

> reading the lal kitab,seeking permission from all of

> you I would also like to add few things to the on

> going discussion:

>

> 1. FIRST OF ALL THE PERSON WHO IS GOING TO READ THE

> LAL KITAB SHOULD BE A SIMPLE AND CALM PERSON.

> 2. HE SHOULD HAVE RELIGIOUS BACKGROUND.

> 3. HE SHOULD BE A PIOUS PERSON.

> 4. STRAIGHTFORWARD

> 5. HAVE LOGICAL MIND

> 6. AWAY FROM THE CLUTCHES OF WORLDLY BINDINGS

> 7. TREND SETTER

> 8. SHOULD NOT BE AFTER MONEY

> 9. SHOULD NOT HAVE EGO

> 10. DOWN TO EARTH PERSONALITY.

>

>

> I FEEL THESE ARE THE VERY SIMPLE FIRST BASICS WHICH

> ARE MANDATORY FOR THE ONE WHO WANTS TO READ AND

> UNDERSTAND THIS GREAT BOOK.AS WHEN WE ADOPT SOME

> RELIGON THERE ARE CERTAIN BASICS TO GET INTO THAT

> RELIGON AND THOSE THINGS ARE COMPULSORY,THE SAME WAY

> IS WITH THIS GREAT BOOK ALSO BECAUSE THIS IS AN EXTRA

> ORDINARY BOOK WRITTEN BY AN EXTRA ORDINARY PERSONALITY

> AND TO BE READ BY EXTRA ORDINARY PEOPLE ONLY( IN THE

> REAL WAY) BUT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO GET ALONG WITH ITS

> BASIC AND ORDINARY PRINCIPLES.

> SO I HAVE TO SAY ON MY PART THAT I AM STILL STRUGGLING

> AGAIN AND AGAIN TO BE WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE

> ABOVE SAID TEN POINTS AND TRYING TO ADOPT THESE THINGS

> IN MY LIFE BUT ITS REALLY TOO HARD,BUT I AM SURE THAT

> BY THE BLESSINGS OF MY SENIORS ,COLLEAGUES AND FRIENDS

> I WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE HIDDEN MEANINGS

> OF THE LAL KITAB BY HUMBLE,NOBLE , AND SIMPLE

> APPROACH.

> I SPECIALLY PAY MY REGARDS TO YOGRAJJI,BECAUSE I AM

> ALWAYS TROUBLING HIM TO CLEAR MY DOUBTS IRRESPECTIVE

> OF TIME AS HE HAD GIVEN ME THE PRIVELEGE TO DISTURB

> HIM AT ANY TIME.THERE ARE SO MANY PERSONALITIES WITH

> WHOM I AM IN TOUCH ,ITS DIFFICULT TO NAME ALL OF THEM

> BUT I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE NIRMAL JI FOR PERFORMING

> THIS GREAT DUTY WITH SUCH TRUTHFULLNESS AND

> DEDICATEDLY. BEING VERY SLOW IN TYPING I AM NOT ABLE

> TO WRITE QUITE OFTENLY BUT I DO READ MAILS AND ALWAYS

> TRY TO KEEP MYSELF UPDATED WITH GROUP ACTIVITIES.

> IN THE LAST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE LINE IN PUNJABI:

> ASAL DE VICH ASAL HI MIL SAKDA HAI KHOT NAHI

> MEANS REAL CAN MEET REAL ONLY

> REAL CANNOT MEET ARTIFICAL

>

> SO IF WE WANT TO LEARN THE TRUTH WHICH IS HIDDEN IN

> LAL KITAB,WE HAVE TO BECOME TRUE TO OURSELVES AND

> TRUTHFUL TO REST OF THE WORLD.

>

> REGARDS

> MS KONDAL

>

>

>

> --- Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote:

>

> > Respected Kalsi jee

> >

> > You are absolutely right that its not an easy job to

> > read more than

> > 2000 pages, but " Kadin Marey Bina vee Swarag Milya

> > hai kisey nu? Aini

> > ku takleef taan karni hi paini hai Sir " .

> >

> > You must be aware the the verbatim transliterations

> > of first three

> > editions (1939, 1940 and 1941) are already

> > available, 1942 edition

> > will be out in the coming few weeks.

> >

> > Transliteration of 1952 edition is a daunting task.

> > But I came to know

> > that the work is also under progress in full swing,

> > maybe the year

> > 2008 will also see the correct most transliteration

> > of 1952 edition also.

> >

> > Kindly keep us all blessed.

> >

> > Respectfully

> > Yograj Prabhakar

> >

> >

> > , " Shivdev

> > Kalsi "

> > <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nirmal Ji,

> > > Methods seems to be good. There are nearly 3000

> > pages of all the

> > > books and with this speed it will take years to

> > have First reading of

> > > all the books. Moreover,

> > > Transliteration of all the books are not

> > available. How to cope up

> > > with that problem.

> > > Yours

> > >

> > > On 4/29/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Yogesh ji, nirmal ji has listed the correct

> > method; through my

> > experience

> > > > i want to say that keep a copy with you, make

> > your own index,

> > whenever u

> > > > come across anything new note it down in the

> > copy alongwith page

> > no. this

> > > > will help u immensly. e.g while reading the book

> > u come across any

> > mention

> > > > of house note the page no. and brief details,

> > when u move ahead u

> > will again

> > > > come across this subject at various other

> > places, note them also

> > in same

> > > > way. this way when any doubt arises or you want

> > to understand any

> > concept,

> > > > all the material will be at your ready disposal,

> > this way u can

> > corelate and

> > > > understand better. each time u pick up the book

> > u will come across

> > a totally

> > > > different concept, slowly the revision of the

> > book will reveal its

> > logics,

> > > > grammar etc.

> > > > it may be my superstition but if the notebook

> > and lalkitab both are

> > > > covered by dull red colour, it helps.

> > > > lalkitab is a different stream of

> > astrology/occult; comparison can

> > be made

> > > > with other streams at advanced stage but i

> > prefer that it should

> > be read

> > > > independent of any bias or comparison.

> > > > happy reading.

> > > > kulbirbance

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 4/28/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Yogesh Ji,

> > > > > First all i refresh about the LalKitab

> > editions. You might be

> > knowing

> > > > > that there are five books. each volume is

> > independent of

> > others. Study the

> > > > > books serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940,

> > 1941, 1942 and

> > finally 1952.

> > > > > There are many methods oif reading a subject.

> > I have been to

> > this sort

> > > > > of experience while doing studies initialy. I

> > give you few keys

> > to read this

> > > > > book.This may help every new students

> > > > > *Key No.1*. Consider your self that you are a

> > student of Primary

> > class.

> > > > > You will be in this level only untill you read

> > all the five books.

> > > > > *Key No.2.* Consider each lalkitab as Qayda

> > (Primer) and

> > consider it self as very simple and is written in

> > such a language

> > which is very simple

> > > > > to understand . Consider that this book is

> > written only for you

> > keeping in

> > > > > view of your mental level only..

> > > > > *Key No.3*. Think - what a primary class

> > student think while reading

> > > > > Qayda.

> > > > > few thoughts of these are

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring

> > the word 'why' untill

> > > > > you read all the five books.

> > > > > 2. Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its

> > rules for time being.

> > > > > You can co-relate later on.

> > > > > 3. Grammer is the pressure area which shall

> > be given more time.

> > > > > 4. Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep

> > in mind you have to be

> > > > > winner of slow race.

> > > > >

> > > > > Above all, keep away all guide books on

> > lalkitab. You can read these

> > > > > books later on after reading all the five

> > books. Think only

> > > > > what you understand dont go by others' words.

> > > > > *Key No 4*. Make a list of Ashayiaan of

> > planets, khanawise,

> > planet wise

> > > > > as you read. Dont go for ready made lists,

> > make yourself.

> > > > > *Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read

> > all five books*

> > > > >

> > > > > *Beware:* some habits may try to start forcing

> > your minds after

> > reading

> > > > > few books. few of them are

> > > > >

> > > > > - Justifying/co-relating each rule with

> > other system of Astrology

> > > > > - Habit of becoming student of higher

> > class. This is a very

> > > > > dangerous habit. If it enters then you will

> > be encircled by

> > budh Dayra.

> > > > > Even a simple word seems to be hiding a

> > vast meaning.You can

> > write as many

> > > > > pages as you can for justifying your

> > meaning of a word even if

> > > > > your understanding are wrong.

> > > > > - Worst habit will be that you find an

> > error in the book.

> > this habit indicates that the student is

> > > > > going away from the basic concepts.

> > > > >

> > > > > *Always remember that you are becoming the

> > part of a system. if you

> > > > > follow the rules of the system

> > > > > then and then only you can learn it

> > completely.Once you become

> > the part of this system then only you can have the

> > liberty to debate

> > the issues.

> > > > > *

> > > > > I follow these rules till date.

> > > > > Hope you will find it use full.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > > >

> > > > > On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely

> > <yogesh.jaitely@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Experts,

> > > > > > I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by

> > Yograj Prabhakar.Is

> > there

> > > > > > any special method to read this book. I am

> > unable to link the

> > matter during

> > > > > > reading.

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Kulbir Ji,

In my opinion, the best way to read palmistry is to first apply

durusti nama to 1939. Then start from 1939. Then Read 1940 and 1939

simultaneously. Then read 1942.1942 book is full of treasure. 1941

will be a ready reckoner and handbook for the astrologer.Finally 1952

should be taken. 1952 is also a big treasure of palmistry but not

elaborative as 1939 & 1942.

 

Regards

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

PS: Keep on, to watch and peruse the hands of the person to whom you

are making a chat or a talk, try to find the rekhas & other marks(you

read in the book) on his hand and corelate with your studies.

,

" kulbirbance " <kulbirbance wrote:

>

> Respected Nirmal ji; i am facing a problem, i want to study the

> palmistry part alongwith astrology part in lalkitab. do u have any

> tips to make the task simpler.

> sincerely

> kulbirbance

>

> , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj "

> <nirbhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Yogesh Ji,

> > First all i refresh about the LalKitab editions. You might be

> knowing that

> > there are five books. each volume is independent of others.

Study

> the books

> > serially i.e. first 1939, then 1940, 1941, 1942 and finally 1952.

> > There are many methods oif reading a subject. I have been to

this

> sort of

> > experience while doing studies initialy. I give you few keys to

> read this

> > book.This may help every new students

> > *Key No.1*. Consider your self that you are a student of Primary

> class. You

> > will be in this level only untill you read all the five books.

> > *Key No.2.* Consider each lalkitab as Qayda (Primer) and

consider

> it

> > self as very simple and is written in such a language which is

very

> > simple

> > to understand . Consider that this book is written only for you

> keeping in

> > view of your mental level only..

> > *Key No.3*. Think - what a primary class student think while

> reading Qayda.

> > few thoughts of these are

> >

> > 1. This Qayda is always correct.Dont bring the word 'why'

> untill you

> > read all the five books.

> > 2. Keep aside the Vedic Astrology and its rules for time

> being. You

> > can co-relate later on.

> > 3. Grammer is the pressure area which shall be given more

time.

> > 4. Read at speed as slow as you can. Keep in mind you have to

be

> > winner of slow race.

> >

> > Above all, keep away all guide books on lalkitab. You can read

> these

> > books later on after reading all the five books. Think only

> > what you understand dont go by others' words.

> > *Key No 4*. Make a list of Ashayiaan of planets, khanawise,

planet

> wise as

> > you read. Dont go for ready made lists, make yourself.

> > *Key No 5. Dont Try remedies untill you read all five books*

> >

> > *Beware:* some habits may try to start forcing your minds after

> reading few

> > books. few of them are

> >

> > - Justifying/co-relating each rule with other system of

> Astrology

> > - Habit of becoming student of higher class. This is a very

> dangerous

> > habit. If it enters then you will be encircled by budh Dayra.

> > Even a simple word seems to be hiding a vast meaning.You can

> write as many

> > pages as you can for justifying your meaning of a word even if

> > your understanding are wrong.

> > - Worst habit will be that you find an error in the book. this

> > habit indicates that the student is

> > going away from the basic concepts.

> >

> > *Always remember that you are becoming the part of a system. if

> you follow

> > the rules of the system

> > then and then only you can learn it completely.Once you become

the

> > part of this system then only you can have the liberty to debate

> the

> > issues.

> > *

> > I follow these rules till date.

> > Hope you will find it use full.

> > Regards

> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> >

> > On 4/28/08, yogesh jaitely <yogesh.jaitely@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Experts,

> > > I have Arun Sanhita LalKitab and Teesra by Yograj Prabhakar.Is

> there any

> > > special method to read this book. I am unable to link the

matter

> during

> > > reading.

> > > Thanks

> > > Yogesh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>